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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 26 March 2008

Present
Ian Horrocks, Markus Krötzsch, Ivan Herman, Diego Calvanese, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Sandro Hawke, Boris Motik, Uli Sattler, Doug Lenat, Evan Wallace, Ratnesh Sahay, Michael Smith, Unknown jjc, Zhe Wu, Alan Ruttenberg, Peter Patel-Schneider, Achille Fokoue, Jie Bao, Rinke Hoekstra
Chair
Ian Horrocks
Scribe
Markus Krötzsch
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. as per the proposal link
  2. as per above proposal link
  3. close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue link
  4. close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue link
  5. use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization link
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16:53:12 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/03/26-owl-irc

16:53:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

16:53:51 <jjc> zakim, this will be owl

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: zakim, this will be owl

16:53:53 <Zakim> ok, jjc; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jjc; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 53 minutes ago

16:53:56 <ivan> zakim, this will be owl

Ivan Herman: zakim, this will be owl

16:53:59 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

16:54:01 <ivan> :-)

Ivan Herman: :-)

16:54:03 <Zakim> ok, ivan, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started

16:54:09 <Zakim> + +39.047.101.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +39.047.101.aaaa

16:54:11 <Zakim> + +0186527aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0186527aabb

16:54:34 <IanH> zakim, aabb is IanH

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aabb is IanH

16:54:34 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it

16:54:41 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public

16:54:48 <ivan> zakim, code?

Ivan Herman: zakim, code?

16:54:48 <Zakim> the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 69594 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ivan

16:54:58 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

16:55:13 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

16:55:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK

16:55:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

16:55:32 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

16:55:40 <MarkusK> ScribeNick: MarkusK

(Scribe set to Markus Krötzsch)

16:56:19 <IanH> Who is aaaa? It was the first person to dial in and is from +39

Ian Horrocks: Who is aaaa? It was the first person to dial in and is from +39

16:56:37 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

16:56:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +39.047.101.aaaa, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan

16:56:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

16:57:06 <calvanese> zakim, this is aaaa

Diego Calvanese: zakim, this is aaaa

16:57:09 <Zakim> sorry, calvanese, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, calvanese, I do not see a conference named 'aaaa' in progress or scheduled at this time

16:57:27 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is calvanese

Ian Horrocks: zakim, aaaa is calvanese

16:57:27 <Zakim> +calvanese; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +calvanese; got it

16:57:35 <IanH> Hi Diego

Ian Horrocks: Hi Diego

16:57:39 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

16:57:39 <calvanese> hi ian

Diego Calvanese: hi ian

16:57:44 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P11 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P11 is me

16:57:44 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

16:57:45 <calvanese> hi ian

Diego Calvanese: hi ian

16:58:01 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

16:58:01 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

16:58:09 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:58:13 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

16:58:18 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p19 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p19 is me

16:58:18 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

16:58:27 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

16:58:27 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

16:58:37 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

16:58:43 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.342.aacc

16:58:46 <uli_> zakim, ??P20 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P20 is me

16:58:46 <Zakim> +uli_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli_; got it

16:58:50 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

16:58:51 <uli_> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

16:58:52 <Zakim> uli_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli_ should now be muted

16:58:53 <DougL> Zakim, aacc is me

Doug Lenat: Zakim, aacc is me

16:58:53 <Zakim> +DougL; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DougL; got it

16:58:59 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

16:59:03 <calvanese> zakim, mute me

Diego Calvanese: zakim, mute me

16:59:03 <Zakim> calvanese should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: calvanese should now be muted

16:59:23 <IanH> If you precede such commands with /me it stops them going in the minutes

Ian Horrocks: If you precede such commands with /me it stops them going in the minutes

16:59:27 <Ratnesh> Zakim, ??P25 is me

Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, ??P25 is me

16:59:27 <Zakim> +Ratnesh; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ratnesh; got it

17:00:03 <Zakim> +msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith

17:00:26 <Zakim> + +0122341aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0122341aadd

17:00:39 <jjc> zakim, aadd is me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: zakim, aadd is me

17:00:39 <Zakim> +jjc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it

17:00:40 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.603.897.aaee

17:00:56 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, +1.603.897.aaee is me

17:00:56 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

17:02:01 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc (muted), Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc (muted), Zhe

17:02:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng, sandro

17:02:30 <MarkusK> Admin

Admin

17:02:36 <MarkusK> Agenda Amendmends

Agenda Amendmends

17:02:53 <MarkusK> s /Amendmends/amendments/

s /Amendmends/amendments/

17:03:42 <msmith> IanH, the amendment was added by pfps

Michael Smith: IanH, the amendment was added by pfps

17:03:57 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aaff

17:04:02 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aagg

17:04:09 <alanr> zakim, aagg is me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aagg is me

17:04:09 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

17:04:24 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:04:24 <MarkusK> Telcos will start at 19:00 CET again starting next telco (after F2F)

Telcos will start at 19:00 CET again starting next telco (after F2F)

17:04:32 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:04:44 <DougL> +1 on minutes

Doug Lenat: +1 on minutes

17:04:44 <MarkusK> Previous minutes accepted

Previous minutes accepted

17:05:06 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

17:05:20 <Zakim> +pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps

17:05:45 <Zhe> cash only ?

Zhe Wu: cash only ?

17:05:48 <Zhe> ;)

Zhe Wu: ;)

17:06:09 <baojie> RPI is baojie

Jie Bao: RPI is baojie

17:06:14 <Achille> Zakim. IBM is Achille

Achille Fokoue: Zakim. IBM is Achille

17:06:17 <MarkusK> F2F registration fees must be paid, see http://www.webont.org/owled/2008dc/f2fregistration.html

F2F registration fees must be paid, see http://www.webont.org/owled/2008dc/f2fregistration.html

17:06:25 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille

17:06:25 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

17:06:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call

17:06:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro

17:06:30 <ivan> zakim, IBM is Achille

Ivan Herman: zakim, IBM is Achille

17:06:30 <Zakim> sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'

17:06:32 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe,

17:06:34 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aaff, alanr, Achille, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.518.276.aaff, alanr, Achille, pfps

17:06:42 <sandro> zakim, aaff is baojie

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaff is baojie

17:06:42 <Zakim> +baojie; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +baojie; got it

17:06:45 <jjc> Zakim, aaff is baojie

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, aaff is baojie

17:06:45 <Zakim> sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'

17:06:54 <MarkusK> Checks are also accepted on-site

Checks are also accepted on-site

17:07:08 <MarkusK> Action items

Action items

17:07:49 <MarkusK> ACTION 113 completed

ACTION-113 completed

17:07:49 <alanr> Need to continue my actions 110, 114 - will adjust dates

Alan Ruttenberg: Need to continue my actions 101, 114 - will adjust dates

17:08:06 <MarkusK> ACTION 105 completed

ACTION-105 completed

17:08:16 <alanr> s/110/101/
17:08:55 <MarkusK> ACTION 72 due tomorrow

ACTION-72 due tomorrow

17:11:04 <MarkusK> ACTION 76 delayed, to be done soon (before F2F2)

ACTION-76 delayed, to be done soon (before F2F2)

17:11:23 <MarkusK> Action 86 delayed

ACTION-86 delayed

17:12:08 <MarkusK> Action 90 delayed, discussion scheduled for F2F2

ACTION-90 delayed, discussion scheduled for F2F2

17:12:26 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

17:12:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe, baojie, alanr,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see calvanese (muted), IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, bcuencagrau (muted), Sandro, bmotik (muted), uli_ (muted), DougL, Ratnesh, Evan_Wallace, msmith, jjc, Zhe, baojie, alanr,

17:12:29 <Zakim> ... Achille, pfps (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille, pfps (muted)

17:12:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see Achille, pfps, baojie, alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Achille, pfps, baojie, alanr, Zhe, DougL, msmith, Ratnesh, uli_, RRSAgent, Zakim, bmotik, MarkusK, ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, calvanese, ewallace, jjc, trackbot-ng,

17:12:33 <Zakim> ... sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... sandro

17:12:34 <calvanese> hi uli, thanks

Diego Calvanese: hi uli, thanks

17:13:24 <MarkusK> ACTION 100 remains open (James Hendler not on call)

ACTION-100 remains open (James Hendler not on call)

17:13:39 <MarkusK> Action 101 delayed, to be done for F2F2

ACTION-101 delayed, to be done for F2F2

17:14:06 <MarkusK> ACTION 102 remains open (James Hendler not on call)

ACTION-102 remains open (James Hendler not on call)

17:14:20 <MarkusK> ACTION 104 completed

ACTION-104 completed

17:14:58 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:15:15 <MarkusK> ACTION 108 completed

ACTION-109 completed

17:15:54 <MarkusK> s/108/109/
17:16:20 <MarkusK> ACTION 93 completed

ACTION-93 completed

17:16:41 <MarkusK> ACTION 114 completed

ACTION-114 completed

17:17:31 <MarkusK> Issues

Issues

17:18:00 <msmith> yes, this proposal was from alan

Michael Smith: yes, this proposal was from alan

17:18:11 <MarkusK> Issue 86   http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/86  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0189.html

ISSUE-86 http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/86 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0189.html

17:18:46 <pfps> I just sent out a slight modification to the proposal (which should not change anyone's vote).

Peter Patel-Schneider: I just sent out a slight modification to the proposal (which should not change anyone's vote).

17:18:59 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:19:04 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:19:46 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:19:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:20:18 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

17:20:26 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:20:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:21:03 <MarkusK> alanr: new updated proposal is indeed editorial, minor correction only

Alan Ruttenberg: new updated proposal is indeed editorial, minor correction only

17:21:06 <Zakim> -jjc

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 51 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Diego Calvanese Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Jie Bao Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -jjc

17:21:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:21:28 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

17:21:44 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:21:45 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:21:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:22:04 <MarkusK> msmith: inverse properties could also be handled in RDF mappnig by swapping object and subject and adding an annotation for enabling round-tripping

Michael Smith: inverse properties could also be handled in RDF mappnig by swapping object and subject and adding an annotation for enabling round-tripping

17:22:06 <Zakim> +jjc

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc

17:22:30 <MarkusK> alanr: annotations should not have any logical meaning

Alan Ruttenberg: annotations should not have any logical meaning

17:22:53 <MarkusK> ianh: the annotation was just for round-tripping, no logical impact

Ian Horrocks: the annotation was just for round-tripping, no logical impact

17:23:20 <MarkusK> alanr: I doubt that exchanging subject and object always works

Alan Ruttenberg: I doubt that exchanging subject and object always works

17:23:22 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:23:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:23:27 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

17:23:30 <alanr> ack aalnr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack aalnr

17:23:32 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

17:23:39 <MarkusK> ianh: yes, it is obvious only for facts, but not for restrictions

Ian Horrocks: yes, it is obvious only for facts, but not for restrictions

17:23:47 <Zakim> + +31.20.525.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +31.20.525.aahh

17:23:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:24:03 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

17:24:04 <MarkusK> msmith: I think facts are the only case where this applies, there is no problem with inversee in restrictions

Michael Smith: I think facts are the only case where this applies, there is no problem with inverses in restrictions

17:24:04 <ivan> ack msmith

Ivan Herman: ack msmith

17:24:19 <ivan> ack jjc

Ivan Herman: ack jjc

17:24:21 <MarkusK> s/inversee/inverses/
17:24:51 <MarkusK> jjc: I agree with msmith, it is only a problem in facts

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Unknown jjc: I agree with msmith, it is only a problem in facts

17:24:54 <alanr> q+ to get rid of nested inverse

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to get rid of nested inverse

17:25:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:25:19 <pfps> Should we have a vote to go forward for now, but get a revised proposal?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Should we have a vote to go forward for now, but get a revised proposal?

17:26:02 <msmith> we can separate nested inverses from this issue

Michael Smith: we can separate nested inverses from this issue

17:26:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:08 <MarkusK> alanr: Jeremy referrred to the problem of mutliple (nested) inverses; I also think that this should be disallowed

Alan Ruttenberg: Jeremy referred to the problem of mutliple (nested) inverses; I also think that this should be disallowed

17:26:14 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

17:26:14 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to get rid of nested inverse

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to get rid of nested inverse

17:26:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:26 <MarkusK> s/referrred/referred/
17:26:32 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:26:42 <jjc> i much prefer mike's

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Unknown jjc: i much prefer mike's

17:26:45 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

17:26:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:54 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:26:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:26:59 <jjc> yes i am sure

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Unknown jjc: yes i am sure

17:26:59 <MarkusK> ianh: there seem to be two competing proposals now

Ian Horrocks: there seem to be two competing proposals now

17:27:07 <msmith> q-

Michael Smith: q-

17:27:32 <MarkusK> alanr: if it is just about facts, then msmith's proposal might work as well

Alan Ruttenberg: if it is just about facts, then msmith's proposal might work as well

17:27:37 <alanr> indeed

Alan Ruttenberg: indeed

17:27:39 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

17:27:53 <MarkusK> ianh: does anybody doubt that msmith's proposal works?

Ian Horrocks: does anybody doubt that msmith's proposal works?

17:27:54 <IanH> ack jjc

Ian Horrocks: ack jjc

17:27:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:28:11 <alanr> have to think about anonymous individuals and Mike's proposal

Alan Ruttenberg: have to think about anonymous individuals and Mike's proposal

17:28:18 <MarkusK> jjc: my problem with it is that the proposal requires annotating the triple for round-tripping

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Unknown jjc: my problem with it is that the proposal requires annotating the triple for round-tripping

17:28:18 <uli_> Jeremy, please repeat

Uli Sattler: Jeremy, please repeat

17:28:27 <alanr> push to email, I think

Alan Ruttenberg: push to email, I think

17:28:32 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:28:53 <alanr> 0 (want to think about Mike's first)

Alan Ruttenberg: 0 (want to think about Mike's first)

17:28:55 <uli_> 0

Uli Sattler: 0

17:28:56 <MarkusK> Ianh: Who thinks that alan's proposal is the way to go

Ian Horrocks: Who thinks that alan's proposal is the way to go

17:28:58 <DougL> 0

Doug Lenat: 0

17:28:59 <Achille> 0

Achille Fokoue: 0

17:28:59 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: alan's proposal

STRAWPOLL: alan's proposal

17:29:02 <jjc> -0.1

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Unknown jjc: -0.1

17:29:03 <pfps> +1 for Alan

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 for Alan

17:29:05 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

17:29:09 <calvanese> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

17:29:09 <MarkusK> 0

0

17:29:11 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

17:29:11 <baojie> 0

Jie Bao: 0

17:29:16 <Ratnesh> 0

Ratnesh Sahay: 0

17:29:18 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

17:29:33 <msmith> +1 to using annotations, but iff round-tripping is a rqmt

Michael Smith: +1 to using annotations, but iff round-tripping is a rqmt

17:29:35 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: who thinks that Mike's proposal is the way to go?

STRAWPOLL: who thinks that Mike's proposal is the way to go?

17:29:36 <pfps> -1 for mike

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 for mike

17:29:37 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

17:29:38 <jjc> +0.4

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Unknown jjc: +0.4

17:29:39 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

17:29:41 <alanr> 0 (want to think about it first)

Alan Ruttenberg: 0 (want to think about it first)

17:29:41 <Zhe> +0

Zhe Wu: +0

17:29:42 <DougL> -0.5

Doug Lenat: -0.5

17:29:43 <Achille> 0

Achille Fokoue: 0

17:29:43 <uli_> 0 (the same, need to think)

Uli Sattler: 0 (the same, need to think)

17:29:44 <MarkusK> -0

-0

17:29:50 <bcuencagrau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

17:30:03 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

17:30:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:30:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:30:30 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

17:30:38 <IanH> ack msmith

Ian Horrocks: ack msmith

17:30:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:30:42 <ivan> ack msmith

Ivan Herman: ack msmith

17:30:47 <alanr> not facts

Alan Ruttenberg: not facts

17:30:49 <MarkusK> msmith: could we have a strawpoll on whether we wish to support ObjectProperty assertions where porperties are inverses at all

Michael Smith: could we have a strawpoll on whether we wish to support ObjectProperty assertions where porperties are inverses at all

17:30:50 <alanr> only restrictions

Alan Ruttenberg: only restrictions

17:31:03 <MarkusK> ... it might be that we do not really need that

... it might be that we do not really need that

17:31:06 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:31:06 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:31:09 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

17:31:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:31:16 <MarkusK> ... I suggested to disallow this in an email

... I suggested to disallow this in an email

17:31:44 <alanr> objectAllValuesFrom := 'ObjectAllValuesFrom' '(' objectPropertyExpression description ')'

Alan Ruttenberg: objectAllValuesFrom := 'ObjectAllValuesFrom' '(' objectPropertyExpression description ')'

17:31:53 <MarkusK> bmotik: support for inverse properties without explicitly naming it was requested from the DIG working group, and is used in many reasoners

Boris Motik: support for inverse properties wthemhout explicthemly naming them was requested from the DIG working group, and is used in many reasoners

17:32:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:32:07 <MarkusK> s/it/them/
17:32:08 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:32:08 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:32:09 <alanr> inverseObjectProperty := 'InverseObjectProperty' '(' objectPropertyExpression ')'

Alan Ruttenberg: inverseObjectProperty := 'InverseObjectProperty' '(' objectPropertyExpression ')'

17:32:10 <alanr> objectPropertyExpression := objectPropertyURI | inverseObjectProperty

Alan Ruttenberg: objectPropertyExpression := objectPropertyURI | inverseObjectProperty

17:32:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:33:09 <bcuencagrau> Ivan, Description Logics Implementors group

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Ivan, Description Logics Implementors group

17:33:09 <msmith> more email sounds good

Michael Smith: more email sounds good

17:33:13 <MarkusK> ianh: further discussion needed, to be taken to email

Ian Horrocks: further discussion needed, to be taken to email

17:33:22 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

17:33:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:33:54 <bcuencagrau> A group of people that have implemented DL reasoners. it includes the people who have developed the major DL reasoners

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: A group of people that have implemented DL reasoners. it includes the people who have developed the major DL reasoners

17:34:16 <MarkusK> jjc: can we have a strawpoll on disallowing inverses as proposed by msmith?

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Unknown jjc: can we have a strawpoll on disallowing inverses as proposed by msmith?

17:34:20 <alanr> disallowing means no InverseObjectProperties inside Fact constructs

Alan Ruttenberg: disallowing means no InverseObjectProperties inside Fact constructs

17:34:33 <bmotik> -1

Boris Motik: -1

17:34:34 <jjc> +1

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Unknown jjc: +1

17:34:34 <bcuencagrau> ivan, Peter is a member; I think so is Ian

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: ivan, Peter is a member; I think so is Ian

17:34:34 <uli_> -1

Uli Sattler: -1

17:34:35 <MarkusK> -1

-1

17:34:35 <pfps> -1 AIPs have their place in the world

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 AIPs have their place in the world

17:34:38 <alanr> 0

Alan Ruttenberg: 0

17:34:43 <Zhe> +0.1

Zhe Wu: +0.1

17:34:44 <baojie> 0

Jie Bao: 0

17:34:44 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

17:34:45 <bcuencagrau> -1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: -1

17:34:47 <ewallace> -1

Evan Wallace: -1

17:34:49 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: disallow anonymous inverse properties in facts

STRAWPOLL: disallow anonymous inverse properties in facts

17:34:50 <calvanese> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

17:34:52 <DougL> 0 (need to think about it)

Doug Lenat: 0 (need to think about it)

17:34:52 <Rinke> 0

Rinke Hoekstra: 0

17:34:52 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

17:34:52 <calvanese> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

17:34:56 <msmith> +1 to disallowing anonym in obas

Michael Smith: +1 to disallowing anonym in obas

17:34:59 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

17:35:37 <MarkusK> Issue 12

ISSUE-12

17:35:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:35:55 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/12  http://www.w3.org/mid/20080318.213218.171431830.pfps@research.bell-labs.com

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/12 http://www.w3.org/mid/20080318.213218.171431830.pfps@research.bell-labs.com

17:36:54 <alanr> q+ to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html

17:37:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:37:13 <jjc> q-

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Unknown jjc: q-

17:37:52 <MarkusK> alanr: I suggested a modification for improving efficiency (see link above)

Alan Ruttenberg: I suggested a modification for improving efficiency (see link above)

17:37:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:38:05 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

17:38:05 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to discuss http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html

17:38:10 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

17:38:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:38:51 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

17:38:51 <MarkusK> pfps: alan's proposal might be problematic, since it adds totally new different individuals

Peter Patel-Schneider: alan's proposal might be problematic, since it adds totally new different individuals

17:38:59 <jjc> q-

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Unknown jjc: q-

17:39:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:39:07 <MarkusK> alanr: but it is only an existential (a bnode)

Alan Ruttenberg: but it is only an existential (a bnode)

17:39:09 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps

17:39:20 <MarkusK> pfps: yes, but it still might increase the size of the domain

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, but it still might increase the size of the domain

17:39:31 <MarkusK> pfps: this creates a burdon on round-tripping

Peter Patel-Schneider: this creates a burdon on round-tripping

17:39:46 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:39:59 <MarkusK> ... but the creation of new individuals as such is the main problem

... but the creation of new individuals as such is the main problem

17:40:26 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:40:42 <MarkusK> alanr: for equivalent class and equivalent properties it should not be such a problem

Alan Ruttenberg: for equivalent class and equivalent properties it should not be such a problem

17:41:00 <MarkusK> ianh: not sure without having a closer look

Ian Horrocks: not sure without having a closer look

17:41:29 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:41:37 <MarkusK> ... it seems we cannot resolve the isue with that solution without further investigation

... it seems we cannot resolve the issue with that solution without further investigation

17:41:46 <MarkusK> s/isue/issue/
17:41:53 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

17:42:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:42:06 <MarkusK> alanr: my proposal for possible optimisation might be a separate issue

Alan Ruttenberg: my proposal for possible optimisation might be a separate issue

17:42:13 <ivan> ack jjc

Ivan Herman: ack jjc

17:42:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:43:16 <MarkusK> jjc: the issue touches other issues, and I would currently abstain on this issue until the relations are clearer

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Unknown jjc: the issue touches other issues, and I would currently abstain on this issue until the relations are clearer

17:44:08 <MarkusK> STRAWPOLL: should this issue by closed according to pfps's proposal?

STRAWPOLL: should this issue by closed according to pfps's proposal?

17:44:16 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:44:17 <uli_> 1

Uli Sattler: 1

17:44:18 <pfps> +1 (surprise)

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 (surprise)

17:44:18 <jjc> +0 concur

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Unknown jjc: +0 concur

17:44:25 <DougL> If asked I would respond +1

Doug Lenat: If asked I would respond +1

17:44:27 <Zhe> 1

Zhe Wu: 1

17:44:27 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

17:44:28 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:44:30 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:44:32 <MarkusK> +1

+1

17:44:34 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

17:44:34 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:44:38 <msmith> +1

Michael Smith: +1

17:44:39 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:44:40 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:44:45 <Ratnesh> 0

Ratnesh Sahay: 0

17:45:11 <pfps> PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

Peter Patel-Schneider: PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

17:46:11 <alanr> considering  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html as possible  = new information

Alan Ruttenberg: considering http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0254.html as possible = new information

17:46:13 <pfps> +1 ..................................................

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 ..................................................

17:46:14 <DougL> +1 (peter's typing might be that new info of course)

Doug Lenat: +1 (peter's typing might be that new info of course)

17:46:16 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:46:21 <msmith> +1

Michael Smith: +1

17:46:22 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:46:23 <MarkusK> +1

+1

17:46:24 <uli_> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

17:46:25 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

17:46:26 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

17:46:29 <jjc> +0 concur

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Unknown jjc: +0 concur

17:46:30 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

17:46:30 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

17:46:31 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

17:46:32 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

17:46:39 <Ratnesh> 0

Ratnesh Sahay: 0

17:46:41 <sandro> 0

Sandro Hawke: 0

17:46:42 <calvanese> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

17:46:52 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

17:47:01 <pfps> RESOLVED: as per the proposal

RESOLVED: as per the proposal

17:47:02 <IanH> RESOLVED: as per above proposal

RESOLVED: as per above proposal

17:47:13 <pfps> PROPOSAL; close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

17:47:40 <MarkusK> s/PROPOSAL;/RESOLVED:/
17:47:53 <pfps> RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

RESOLVED: close 12 as in pfps's email provided that new informatoin does not come in and noting that this does not close the general reification issue

17:49:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:49:19 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-syntax/

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-syntax/

17:49:25 <MarkusK> Ianh: Time for issues is up, proceed with reviews of candidate worknig drafts first

Ian Horrocks: Time for issues is up, proceed with reviews of candidate worknig drafts first

17:50:07 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:50:58 <bmotik> ACTION: bmotik2 to Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion

ACTION: bmotik2 to Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion

17:50:58 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-115 - Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-115 - Update the RDF mapping with the accepted resolution of ISSUE-12 as per Peter's suggestion [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].

17:51:10 <MarkusK> Fragments document

Fragments document

17:51:35 <MarkusK> Achille: I corrected minor problems, and raised issues where needed

Achille Fokoue: I corrected minor problems, and raised issues where needed

17:51:50 <MarkusK> Msmith: mostly editorial comments, not put into wiki page yet

Michael Smith: mostly editorial comments, not put into wiki page yet

17:52:37 <MarkusK> Alanr: uncontroversial editorial changes can be made directly in the document

Alan Ruttenberg: uncontroversial editorial changes can be made directly in the document

17:53:00 <MarkusK> Msmith: OK, I will shortly incorporate my comments then

Michael Smith: OK, I will shortly incorporate my comments then

17:53:11 <sandro> q+ to comment on wiki page name, document title

Sandro Hawke: q+ to comment on wiki page name, document title

17:53:15 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:53:37 <alanr> "Fragments of OWL"

Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments of OWL"

17:53:47 <MarkusK> Sandro: we might want to change the title

Sandro Hawke: we might want to change the title

17:53:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-fragments/

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/draft/owl11-fragments/

17:54:01 <MarkusK> Alanr: "Fragments of OWL" seems to be a good name

Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments of OWL" seems to be a good name

17:54:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:54:12 <sandro> "Language Fragments"

Sandro Hawke: "Language Fragments"

17:54:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:54:14 <sandro> ack sandro

Sandro Hawke: ack sandro

17:54:14 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to comment on wiki page name, document title

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to comment on wiki page name, document title

17:54:15 <pfps> owl pieces / owl bones

Peter Patel-Schneider: owl pieces / owl bones

17:54:22 <MarkusK> ianh: I would just say "OWL Fragments"

Ian Horrocks: I would just say "OWL Fragments"

17:54:36 <jjc> q+ to mention abstract

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Unknown jjc: q+ to mention abstract

17:54:45 <alanr> "Fragments" ok by me

Alan Ruttenberg: "Fragments" ok by me

17:54:51 <MarkusK> ... even just "Fragments" would be good

... even just "Fragments" would be good

17:54:55 <Zhe> "OWL Fragments" sounds good

Zhe Wu: "OWL Fragments" sounds good

17:54:55 <bcuencagrau> To be consistent with the other documents we should simply say ``Fragments''

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: To be consistent with the other documents we should simply say ``Fragments''

17:55:01 <pfps> syntax is Syntax, so fragments should be .... Fragments

Peter Patel-Schneider: syntax is Syntax, so fragments should be .... Fragments

17:55:03 <Rinke> "Fragments"

Rinke Hoekstra: "Fragments"

17:55:26 <Achille> q+

Achille Fokoue: q+

17:55:28 <Zhe> thanks

Zhe Wu: thanks

17:55:47 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:56:10 <MarkusK> jjc: the abstract of the fragments doc is insufficient

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Unknown jjc: the abstract of the fragments doc is insufficient

17:56:38 <pfps> -1

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1

17:56:40 <uli_> "species"

Uli Sattler: "species"

17:56:45 <MarkusK> ... the term "fragment" may have a negative connotation

... the term "fragment" may have a negative connotation

17:56:46 <bcuencagrau> no species

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: no species

17:57:05 <MarkusK> alanr: "profiles"?

Alan Ruttenberg: "profiles"?

17:57:08 <bmotik> "Fragment" is a standard term from logic.

Boris Motik: "Fragment" is a standard term from logic.

17:57:18 <bcuencagrau> Yes

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Yes

17:57:20 <pfps> To change the name requires moving the page, I think

Peter Patel-Schneider: To change the name requires moving the page, I think

17:57:40 <jjc> fragment may be a term from logic, but ...

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Unknown jjc: fragment may be a term from logic, but ...

17:57:48 <calvanese> q+

Diego Calvanese: q+

17:58:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:58:08 <MarkusK> ianh: this discussion shold be continued offline

Ian Horrocks: this discussion should be continued offline

17:58:09 <IanH> ack jjc

Ian Horrocks: ack jjc

17:58:10 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to mention abstract

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to mention abstract

17:58:14 <MarkusK> s/shold/should/
17:58:56 <pfps> An abstract is, by definition, one paragraph.  (Yes this is often violated.)

Peter Patel-Schneider: An abstract is, by definition, one paragraph. (Yes this is often violated.)

17:59:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:59:18 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:59:22 <jjc> q-

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Unknown jjc: q-

17:59:38 <alanr> q- alanr to say +1 to last thing sandro said

Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr to say +1 to last thing sandro said

17:59:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:59:57 <IanH> ack Achille

Ian Horrocks: ack Achille

18:00:21 <bmotik> I can review Achille's changes.

Boris Motik: I can review Achille's changes.

18:00:27 <MarkusK> Achille: I would like an additional review of the changes I made recently

Achille Fokoue: I would like an additional review of the changes I made recently

18:00:42 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:00:56 <msmith> achille, I will review again with your edits in mind

Michael Smith: achille, I will review again with your edits in mind

18:01:22 <MarkusK> Calvanese: regarding the DL Lite fragment, I think major changes are still required in the document

Diego Calvanese: regarding the DL Lite fragment, I think major changes are still required in the document

18:01:33 <MarkusK> ... for example function properties should be there

... for example function properties should be there

18:01:41 <bcuencagrau> Diego, remember that we have role hierarchies

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Diego, remember that we have role hierarchies

18:01:44 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:01:46 <MarkusK> ... several other additions could be made

... several other additions could be made

18:01:51 <bcuencagrau> Wouldn't functionality be problematic?

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Wouldn't functionality be problematic?

18:02:27 <IanH> ack

Ian Horrocks: ack

18:02:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:02:35 <msmith> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/80

Michael Smith: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/80

18:02:41 <IanH> ack calvanese

Ian Horrocks: ack calvanese

18:03:09 <alanr> +1 to pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to pfps

18:03:19 <DougL> good point

Doug Lenat: good point

18:03:27 <calvanese> +1 to pfps

Diego Calvanese: +1 to pfps

18:03:29 <MarkusK> pfps: we acan note in the current version that the presented DL Lite fragment is a conservative fragment that is likely to be extended later on

Peter Patel-Schneider: we acan note in the current version that the presented DL Lite fragment is a conservative fragment that is likely to be extended later on

18:03:40 <bmotik> I can do ti

Boris Motik: I can do ti

18:03:49 <calvanese> ok

Diego Calvanese: ok

18:04:06 <msmith> bmotik, Suggest merging note about ISSUE-80 into it

Michael Smith: bmotik, Suggest merging note about ISSUE-80 into it

18:04:09 <calvanese> ok

Diego Calvanese: ok

18:04:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:04:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:04:23 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:04:42 <MarkusK> ACTION: bmotik to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite

ACTION: bmotik to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite

18:04:42 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - bmotik

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - bmotik

18:04:48 <MarkusK> ACTION: bmotik2 to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite

ACTION: bmotik2 to add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite

18:04:48 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-116 - Add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-116 - Add a note to the fragments document regarding possible later extension of DL Lite [on Boris Motik - due 2008-04-02].

18:04:59 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:05:44 <MarkusK> XML serialisation

XML serialisation

18:05:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:06:04 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/XML_Serialization

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/XML_Serialization

18:06:30 <MarkusK> Achille: my comments were already addressed by pfps

Achille Fokoue: my comments were already addressed by pfps

18:06:45 <MarkusK> ... the document is in a good shape overall

... the document is in a good shape overall

18:07:08 <bmotik> Msmith, good point about ISSUE-80; will do.

Boris Motik: Msmith, good point about ISSUE-80; will do.

18:07:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:20 <MarkusK> Sandro: I noticed inconsistent uses of namespaces

Sandro Hawke: I noticed inconsistent uses of namespaces

18:07:27 <alanr> q+ to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/

18:07:41 <MarkusK> ... maybe we should add a note that the namespaces might be changed later

... maybe we should add a note that the namespaces might be changed later

18:07:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:07:59 <alanr> q+ for a couple other non-showstopping comments

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ for a couple other non-showstopping comments

18:08:04 <alanr> q+ to for a couple other non-showstopping comments

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to for a couple other non-showstopping comments

18:08:08 <MarkusK> ianh: it would be good to have a sensible solution eaerly on, so as to prevent people using placeholders that are changed later

Ian Horrocks: it would be good to have a sensible solution eaerly on, so as to prevent people using placeholders that are changed later

18:08:39 <pfps> ox is a namespace name not a namespace

Peter Patel-Schneider: ox is a namespace name not a namespace

18:08:48 <MarkusK> alanr: minor comment to change the namespace prefix in the schema to the one used in the text

Alan Ruttenberg: minor comment to change the namespace prefix in the schema to the one used in the text

18:08:59 <alanr> owl11xml:EntityAnnotation

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Unknown owl11xml: EntityAnnotation [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ]

18:09:04 <alanr> ox:EntityAnnotation

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Unknown ox: EntityAnnotation [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ]

18:09:17 <MarkusK> ... there are still inconsitent namespace prefixes in the codument

... there are still inconsitent namespace prefixes in the document

18:09:27 <MarkusK> s/codument/document/
18:10:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:10:12 <MarkusK> ... my second comment is about "abstract" and "concrete" classes; the use of those terms is not fully clear yet

... my second comment is about "abstract" and "concrete" classes; the use of those terms is not fully clear yet

18:10:13 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:10:13 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/ and to for a couple other non-showstopping comments

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to say s/owl11xml:/ox:/ and to for a couple other non-showstopping comments

18:10:23 <alanr> Each abstract class (i.e., a class that is not intended to be instantiated, but is used to define a class hierarchy) is mapped to a global element group.

Alan Ruttenberg: Each abstract class (i.e., a class that is not intended to be instantiated, but is used to define a class hierarchy) is mapped to a global element group.

18:10:48 <msmith> on namespaces, I've verified that we've been using http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl11-xml , because this  what is what the OWLAPI uses

Michael Smith: on namespaces, I've verified that we've been using http://www.w3.org/2006/12/owl11-xml , because this what is what the OWLAPI uses

18:10:51 <MarkusK> ... (above note in IRC is an example case)

... (above note in IRC is an example case)

18:11:00 <bmotik> Yes.

Boris Motik: Yes.

18:11:05 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

18:11:07 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:11:07 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:11:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:23 <msmith> q+

Michael Smith: q+

18:11:24 <MarkusK> ianh: who has implemented OWL 1.1 software? Which namespaces would users prefer?

Ian Horrocks: who has implemented OWL 1.1 software? Which namespaces would users prefer?

18:11:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:11:46 <MarkusK> boris: I do not think users would care much; I have not received any user comments on that

Boris Motik: I do not think users would care much; I have not received any user comments on that

18:11:57 <MarkusK> s/boris/bmotik/
18:12:19 <MarkusK> alanr: we still should not change the namespace if there are already OWL 1.1 ontologies

Alan Ruttenberg: we still should not change the namespace if there are already OWL 1.1 ontologies

18:12:25 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:12:25 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:12:36 <MarkusK> bmotik: I think there are not so many OWL 1.1 ontologies that would be affected there

Boris Motik: I think there are not so many OWL 1.1 ontologies that would be affected there

18:12:51 <MarkusK> msmith: I posted the namespaces used in the OWL API into IRC

Michael Smith: I posted the namespaces used in the OWL API into IRC

18:13:17 <MarkusK> ... I also think that there is no problem in changing the namespace now

... I also think that there is no problem in changing the namespace now

18:13:26 <Rinke> +1 to undated namespace

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to undated namespace

18:13:34 <MarkusK> sandro: I would prefer a non-dated namespace now

Sandro Hawke: I would prefer a non-dated namespace now

18:13:51 <MarkusK> ianh: yes, I also would like to not have dates in the namespace

Ian Horrocks: yes, I also would like to not have dates in the namespace

18:13:59 <sandro>  http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml

18:14:07 <MarkusK> sandor: yes, the dates were only used to generate unique names, the are not really needed

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Unknown sandor: yes, the dates were only used to generate unique names, the are not really needed

18:14:15 <pfps> OK by me

Peter Patel-Schneider: OK by me

18:14:15 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:14:19 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:14:22 <Zhe> looks good

Zhe Wu: looks good

18:14:24 <DougL> +1

Doug Lenat: +1

18:14:25 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

18:14:26 <uli_> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:14:29 <baojie> +1

Jie Bao: +1

18:14:32 <ivan> +1

Ivan Herman: +1

18:14:35 <Rinke> looks ok, what does the rdf namespace look like?

Rinke Hoekstra: looks ok, what does the rdf namespace look like?

18:14:36 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:14:37 <MarkusK> Strawpoll: use  http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as a namespace

STRAWPOLL: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as a namespace

18:14:46 <calvanese> 0

Diego Calvanese: 0

18:14:48 <MarkusK> +1

+1

18:14:50 <Zhe> Is OWL 1.1 name itself fixed?

Zhe Wu: Is OWL 1.1 name itself fixed?

18:14:50 <sandro> PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization

PROPOSED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization

18:14:57 <pfps> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:14:58 <MarkusK> +1

+1

18:15:00 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:15:06 <DougL> +1 again

Doug Lenat: +1 again

18:15:09 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1

18:15:10 <sandro> RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization

RESOLVED: use http://www.w3.org/ns/owl11-xml as the XML namespace name for OWL 1.1 XML serialization

18:15:23 <Zhe> q?

Zhe Wu: q?

18:15:27 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

18:15:31 <msmith> q-

Michael Smith: q-

18:15:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:15:43 <MarkusK> sandro: relaetd question is where to publish the schema, but I need to do some more research on this

Sandro Hawke: related question is where to publish the schema, but I need to do some more research on this

18:15:51 <alanr> q+ to ask about GRDDL

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask about GRDDL

18:15:55 <MarkusK> s/relaetd/related/
18:16:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:17 <Zhe> q-

Zhe Wu: q-

18:16:17 <IanH> ack Zhe

Ian Horrocks: ack Zhe

18:16:17 <MarkusK> Zhe: does this namespace decision imply that the new standrad is called OWL 1.1

Zhe Wu: does this namespace decision imply that the new standard is called OWL 1.1

18:16:24 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/ns/2008/04/xml

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/ns/2008/04/xml

18:16:27 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:16:27 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask about GRDDL

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask about GRDDL

18:16:39 <sandro> Yes, good point....    maybe not "owl11".    just "owl"?

Sandro Hawke: Yes, good point.... maybe not "owl11". just "owl"?

18:16:46 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

18:16:47 <MarkusK> s/standrad/standard/
18:16:48 <ivan> alan: no

Alan Ruttenberg: no [ Scribe Assist by Ivan Herman ]

18:17:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:17:51 <MarkusK> ianh: should we rather change the namespace to drop the 11?

Ian Horrocks: should we rather change the namespace to drop the 11?

18:17:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:14 <pfps> I prefer .../owl-xml

Peter Patel-Schneider: I prefer .../owl-xml

18:19:04 <MarkusK> jjc: we can still change our minds on the namespace later on, since this is just a working draft

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Unknown jjc: we can still change our minds on the namespace later on, since this is just a working draft

18:19:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:19:12 <IanH> ack jjc

Ian Horrocks: ack jjc

18:19:50 <MarkusK> ianh: indeed, we can go with the current resolution for the early working draft now

Ian Horrocks: indeed, we can go with the current resolution for the early working draft now

18:19:59 <MarkusK> Primer

Primer

18:20:06 <baojie> +q

Jie Bao: +q

18:20:07 <MarkusK> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Primer

http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Primer

18:20:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:43 <IanH> ack baojie

Ian Horrocks: ack baojie

18:20:57 <MarkusK> Jie: there is still some work to do. The main question is who will read the Primer.

Jie Bao: there is still some work to do. The main question is who will read the Primer.

18:21:20 <MarkusK> ... I think the document needs to be restructured to become accessible for users of different levels of expertise

... I think the document needs to be restructured to become accessible for users of different levels of expertise

18:21:48 <alanr> q+ to say OWA is not advanced topic

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say OWA is not advanced topic

18:22:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:12 <MarkusK> ... advanced topics like Open World Asumption should go to later sections

... advanced topics like Open World Assumption should go to later sections

18:22:13 <alanr> q+ to say also commonly messed up

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to say also commonly messed up

18:22:20 <MarkusK> s/Asumption/Assumption/
18:22:28 <DougL> q+

Doug Lenat: q+

18:23:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:23:11 <MarkusK> ianh: Jie, could you and Deborah cooperate with the authors to fix the perceived problems with the Primer until F2F2?

Ian Horrocks: Jie, could you and Deborah cooperate with the authors to fix the perceived problems with the Primer until F2F2?

18:23:46 <MarkusK> Jie: I think Sec 3 and 4 are mostly our problem, but fixing that might not require much time

Jie Bao: I think Sec 3 and 4 are mostly our problem, but fixing that might not require much time

18:23:51 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:24:17 <uli_> +1 to alanr

Uli Sattler: +1 to alanr

18:24:21 <Rinke> +1 too

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 too

18:24:26 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:24:27 <MarkusK> alanr: I object that OWA is considered an advanced topic. It is in fact a major point in using OWL

Alan Ruttenberg: I object that OWA is considered an advanced topic. It is in fact a major point in using OWL

18:24:30 <baojie> q+

Jie Bao: q+

18:24:41 <MarkusK> ... I therefore would object to moivng that to the appendix

... I therefore would object to moivng that to the appendix

18:24:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:02 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:25:02 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to say OWA is not advanced topic and to say also commonly messed up

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to say OWA is not advanced topic and to say also commonly messed up

18:25:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:12 <IanH> ack DougL

Ian Horrocks: ack DougL

18:25:13 <MarkusK> DougL: the Primer is far frmo being ready to be published

Doug Lenat: the Primer is far frmo being ready to be published

18:25:20 <MarkusK> ... whole sections are mostly blank

... whole sections are mostly blank

18:25:29 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:35 <IanH> ack baojie

Ian Horrocks: ack baojie

18:25:47 <MarkusK> ... e.g., the advanced features section is not containing advanced features

... e.g., the advanced features section is not containing advanced features

18:25:50 <baojie> q+

Jie Bao: q+

18:25:57 <IanH> sorry!

Ian Horrocks: sorry!

18:26:09 <MarkusK> ... more people from this group should review the Primer, since it is important for the perception of OWL

... more people from this group should review the Primer, since it is important for the perception of OWL

18:26:23 <MarkusK> ... the current content of the Primier is good, but more is n eeded

... the current content of the Primier is good, but more is needed

18:26:32 <MarkusK> s/n eeded/needed/
18:26:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:26:53 <IanH> ack baojie

Ian Horrocks: ack baojie

18:26:56 <MarkusK> Jie: I agree with DougL

Jie Bao: I agree with DougL

18:27:21 <MarkusK> ... I think that an incremental presentation would be better

... I think that an incremental presentation would be better

18:27:31 <alanr> q+ to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming

18:27:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:28:23 <MarkusK> pfps: we have onyl two days left to make changes, which seems to preclude any substantial changes before F2F2

Peter Patel-Schneider: we have only two days left to make changes, which seems to preclude any substantial changes before F2F2

18:28:28 <alanr> question is: Should we wait on publishing this?

Alan Ruttenberg: question is: Should we wait on publishing this?

18:28:30 <MarkusK> s/onyl/only/
18:28:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:28:40 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

18:28:48 <MarkusK> pfps: the missing sections are "Using OWL" and "Using OWL Tools"

Peter Patel-Schneider: the missing sections are "Using OWL" and "Using OWL Tools"

18:28:51 <sandro> q+ to address WD vs LC

Sandro Hawke: q+ to address WD vs LC

18:28:57 <jjc> q+

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Unknown jjc: q+

18:29:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:02 <MarkusK> ... not sure whether "Using OWL" is needed

... not sure whether "Using OWL" is needed

18:29:25 <MarkusK> ... I do not agree, though, that the Primer is not publishable as is

... I do not agree, though, that the Primer is not publishable as is

18:29:32 <baojie> I may help, but will be minor as Peter and Bijan are the authors

Jie Bao: I may help, but will be minor as Peter and Bijan are the authors

18:29:34 <pfps> Monday is a travel day!

Peter Patel-Schneider: Monday is a travel day!

18:29:52 <MarkusK> Alanr: there is a UFDTF meeting this monday where we might discuss this issue

Alan Ruttenberg: there is a UFDTF meeting this monday where we might discuss this issue

18:30:06 <MarkusK> ... would it be harmful to not publish now but in two weeks?

... would it be harmful to not publish now but in two weeks?

18:30:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:17 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr

18:30:17 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to remind of UFDTF meeting this monday up coming

18:30:19 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

18:30:20 <MarkusK> Ianh: we can consider that at the F2F

Ian Horrocks: we can consider that at the F2F

18:30:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:27 <IanH> ack sandro

Ian Horrocks: ack sandro

18:30:27 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to address WD vs LC

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to address WD vs LC

18:30:30 <MarkusK> Sandro: Publish early, publish often!

Sandro Hawke: Publish early, publish often!

18:30:40 <DougL> It's not "harmful",;we can make it very clear that it is a first draft.

Doug Lenat: It's not "harmful",;we can make it very clear that it is a first draft.

18:30:41 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:44 <MarkusK> ... we could publish an incomplete document as a working draft

... we could publish an incomplete document as a working draft

18:31:23 <MarkusK> jjc: It would be useful to add a one-sentence summary of the review comments, to indicate open points that are still worked on

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Unknown jjc: It would be useful to add a one-sentence summary of the review comments, to indicate open points that are still worked on

18:32:01 <MarkusK> ... in general we can have comment inline to indicate work in progress

... in general we can have comment inline to indicate work in progress

18:32:21 <DougL> that sounds like a workable idea.  peter should probably summarize the revies, not point at them

Doug Lenat: that sounds like a workable idea. peter should probably summarize the revies, not point at them

18:32:32 <MarkusK> pfps: It will be hard to point to the distributed reviews from the Primer

Peter Patel-Schneider: It will be hard to point to the distributed reviews from the Primer

18:33:04 <MarkusK> sandro: we should not point to the reviews, but reach a consensus on what needs to be done, and state that in the document

Sandro Hawke: we should not point to the reviews, but reach a consensus on what needs to be done, and state that in the document

18:33:20 <DougL> Let me reiterate that what *is* there is quite good.

Doug Lenat: Let me reiterate that what *is* there is quite good.

18:33:44 <uli_> +1 to Doug

Uli Sattler: +1 to Doug

18:34:05 <DougL> sure

Doug Lenat: sure

18:34:24 <pfps> The reviewers could come up with such a statement, Bijan and I could "fix" it.

Peter Patel-Schneider: The reviewers could come up with such a statement, Bijan and I could "fix" it.

18:34:52 <DougL> Fixing dogs means...

Doug Lenat: Fixing dogs means...

18:35:21 <MarkusK> Additional other business?

Additional other business?

18:35:26 <jjc> -- bye

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Unknown jjc: -- bye

18:35:30 <Zakim> -jjc

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jjc

18:36:04 <MarkusK> pfps: agenda amendment: RIF statement on OWL compatibility

Peter Patel-Schneider: agenda amendment: RIF statement on OWL compatibility

18:36:13 <Zhe> bye

Zhe Wu: bye

18:36:15 <Zakim> -DougL

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18:36:15 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye

18:36:17 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

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18:36:17 <uli_> bye

Uli Sattler: bye

18:36:17 <Zakim> -bmotik

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18:36:18 <baojie> bye

Jie Bao: bye

18:36:18 <calvanese> bye

Diego Calvanese: bye

18:36:18 <Zakim> -Ivan

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18:36:19 <Ratnesh> bye

Ratnesh Sahay: bye

18:36:20 <Zakim> -Zhe

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18:36:20 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

18:36:21 <baojie> --bye

Jie Bao: --bye

18:36:21 <Zakim> -alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr

18:36:23 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau

18:36:24 <Zakim> -Ratnesh

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18:36:25 <Zakim> -uli_

Zakim IRC Bot: -uli_

18:36:26 <Zakim> -msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith

18:36:27 <alanr> thanks ian!

Alan Ruttenberg: thanks ian!

18:36:28 <Zakim> -Rinke

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18:36:30 <Zakim> -IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH

18:36:32 <Zakim> -baojie

Zakim IRC Bot: -baojie

18:36:33 <sandro> MarkusK, give me a minute to get the minutes ready on the wiki.

Sandro Hawke: MarkusK, give me a minute to get the minutes ready on the wiki.

18:36:34 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

18:36:42 <Zakim> -calvanese

Zakim IRC Bot: -calvanese

18:36:51 <MarkusK> ok

ok

18:36:53 <Zakim> -MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: -MarkusK

18:40:37 <sandro> Chair: Ian
18:40:45 <sandro> Zakim, list attendees

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, list attendees

18:40:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace,

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Zakim IRC Bot: ... Ratnesh, msmith, +0122341aadd, jjc, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaff, +1.617.253.aagg, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, +31.20.525.aahh, Rinke

18:41:43 <sandro> Present: IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, Ratnesh, msmith, jjc, Zhe, alanr, pfps, Achille, baojie, Rinke

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18:41:54 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, Achille, in SW_OWL()12:00PM

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18:41:58 <Zakim> Attendees were +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, Ratnesh, msmith,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +39.047.101.aaaa, +0186527aabb, IanH, MarkusK, Ivan, calvanese, bcuencagrau, Sandro, bmotik, +1.512.342.aacc, uli_, DougL, Evan_Wallace, Ratnesh, msmith,

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18:42:34 <sandro> Okay, MarkusK -- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes is all yours.

Sandro Hawke: Okay, MarkusK -- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes is all yours.

18:42:46 <MarkusK> ok, thanks Sandro

ok, thanks Sandro

18:43:15 <sandro> no problem.   thanks for scribing!  :-)

Sandro Hawke: no problem. thanks for scribing! :-)



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