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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 27 February 2008

Present
Boris Motik, Elisa Kendall, Evan Wallace, Markus Krötzsch, Uli Sattler, Ivan Herman, Martin Dzbor, Doug Lenat, Sandro Hawke, Ian Horrocks, James Hendler, Jeff Pan, Michael Schneider, Achille Fokoue, Zhe Wu, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Peter Patel-Schneider, Jeremy Carroll
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Elisa Kendall
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Resolutions
  1. accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes link
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17:54:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc

17:54:39 <pfps_> zakim, this is owlwg

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this is owlwg

17:54:39 <Zakim> pfps_, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".

17:54:48 <pfps_> zakim, this will be owlwg

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be owlwg

17:54:48 <Zakim> ok, pfps_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago

17:55:41 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started

17:55:48 <Zakim> +pfps_

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps_

17:55:55 <pfps_> zakim, who is on the phone?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone?

17:55:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_

17:55:57 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

17:56:02 <bmotik> Zakim, ??p3 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??p3 is me

17:56:02 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

17:56:20 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:56:20 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:56:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

17:56:34 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

17:56:45 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

17:56:51 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall

17:56:55 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P4 is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P4 is me

17:56:55 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it

17:57:01 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

17:57:01 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei

17:57:03 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:57:09 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:57:09 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted

17:57:23 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:57:23 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:57:32 <pfps_> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:57:32 <Zakim> pfps_ should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ should now be muted

17:58:03 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

17:58:30 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

17:58:54 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P8 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P8 is me

17:58:54 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

17:59:02 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

17:59:02 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

17:59:21 <Elisa> ScribeNick: Elisa

(Scribe set to Elisa Kendall)

18:00:33 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

18:01:04 <IanH> peter, how do we make Elisa be the scribe?

Ian Horrocks: peter, how do we make Elisa be the scribe?

18:01:07 <Zakim> + +7.955.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +7.955.aaaa

18:01:23 <jeremy> Zakim, aaaa is me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, aaaa is me

18:01:23 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy; got it

18:01:34 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a

18:01:36 <jeremy> zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me

18:01:36 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:01:52 <Zakim> +??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0

18:01:58 <IanH> Ivan, we need help with zakim scribing etc

Ian Horrocks: Ivan, we need help with zakim scribing etc

18:02:01 <uli> zakim, ??P0 is me

Uli Sattler: zakim, ??P0 is me

18:02:01 <Zakim> +uli; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +uli; got it

18:02:05 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

18:02:05 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

18:02:06 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

18:02:10 <Zakim> + +0190827aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +0190827aabb

18:02:17 <MartinD> zakim, aabb is me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, aabb is me

18:02:17 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it

18:02:20 <uli> zakim, mute me

Uli Sattler: zakim, mute me

18:02:20 <Zakim> uli should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: uli should now be muted

18:02:29 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public

Ivan Herman: rrsagent, set log public

18:02:31 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:02:31 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

18:02:32 <MartinD> zakim, mute me

Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me

18:02:32 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted

18:02:37 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a

Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a

18:02:52 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap

18:02:54 <IanH> Can anyone hear me?

Ian Horrocks: Can anyone hear me?

18:03:02 <ewallace> No

Evan Wallace: No

18:03:07 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a

18:03:09 <m_schnei> why does zakim say things like "+m_schnei.a"?

Michael Schneider: why does zakim say things like "+m_schnei.a"?

18:03:13 <jeremy> -1

Jeremy Carroll: -1

18:03:23 <IanH> I'll try dialing in again

Ian Horrocks: I'll try dialing in again

18:03:23 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:03:23 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

18:03:31 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencagrau

18:03:47 <jeremy> zakim believes that the line associated with some call is your line

Jeremy Carroll: zakim believes that the line associated with some call is your line

18:03:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.342.aacc

18:04:00 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a

Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a

18:04:01 <Zakim> +Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten

18:04:03 <DougL> zakim, aacc is me

Doug Lenat: zakim, aacc is me

18:04:03 <Zakim> +DougL; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DougL; got it

18:04:10 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me

18:04:10 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted

18:04:11 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

18:04:21 <m_schnei> no, it said this looong after!

Michael Schneider: no, it said this looong after!

18:04:22 <jeremy> zakim, who is on the call?

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, who is on the call?

18:04:22 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),

18:04:25 <Zakim> ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro

18:04:27 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

18:04:31 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a

18:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.276.aadd

18:04:38 <Zakim> +Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeff_Pan

18:04:40 <IanH> zakim, ??P2 is IanH

Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P2 is IanH

18:04:40 <Zakim> +IanH; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it

18:04:41 <hendler> zakim, aadd is me

James Hendler: zakim, aadd is me

18:04:42 <Zakim> +hendler; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +hendler; got it

18:04:51 <m_schnei> maybe I have stolen someone else's phone line?

Michael Schneider: maybe I have stolen someone else's phone line?

18:05:00 <Zhe> zakim, mute me

Zhe Wu: zakim, mute me

18:05:00 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

18:05:06 <IanH> zakim, who is here

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here

18:05:06 <Zakim> IanH, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: IanH, you need to end that query with '?'

18:05:15 <IanH> zakim, who is here?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is here?

18:05:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), m_schnei (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, ??P7, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted),

18:05:18 <Zakim> ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan

18:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see hendler, JeffP, vipul, DougL, MartinD, Zhe, ivan, uli, jeremy, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, Elisa, bmotik, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, Carsten, m_schnei, sandro, pfps_,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see hendler, JeffP, vipul, DougL, MartinD, Zhe, ivan, uli, jeremy, MarkusK, bcuencagrau, Elisa, bmotik, ewallace, RRSAgent, Zakim, IanH, Carsten, m_schnei, sandro, pfps_,

18:05:21 <Zakim> ... pfps, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: ... pfps, trackbot-ng

18:05:31 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me

18:05:31 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

18:05:32 <Zhe> Zakim, ??P& is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, ??P& is me

18:05:32 <Zakim> sorry, Zhe, I do not recognize a party named '??P&'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Zhe, I do not recognize a party named '??P&'

18:05:54 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:05:54 <Zakim> m_schnei should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should no longer be muted

18:05:58 <pfps_> Zakim, ??P7 is Zhe

Peter Patel-Schneider: Zakim, ??P7 is Zhe

18:05:58 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

18:05:58 <Zhe> Zakim, ??P7 is me

Zhe Wu: Zakim, ??P7 is me

18:05:59 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as Zhe, Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as Zhe, Zhe

18:06:12 <m_schnei> ok, I go out

Michael Schneider: ok, I go out

18:06:21 <Zakim> -m_schnei

Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei

18:06:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

18:06:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, MarkusK (muted), jeremy, uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, MarkusK (muted), jeremy, uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten

18:06:33 <Zakim> ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, m_schnei.a, hendler, Jeff_Pan

18:06:55 <sandro> zakim, drop m_schnei.a

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop m_schnei.a

18:06:55 <Zakim> m_schnei.a is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei.a is being disconnected

18:06:57 <Zakim> -m_schnei.a

Scribe problem: the name 'm_schnei.a' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -m_schnei.a

18:06:58 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

18:07:04 <Zhe> I was dropped

Zhe Wu: I was dropped

18:07:06 <m_schnei> im in again

Michael Schneider: im in again

18:07:14 <m_schnei> zakim, ??P4 is me

Michael Schneider: zakim, ??P4 is me

18:07:14 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei; got it

18:07:14 <sandro> zakim, drop Zhe

Sandro Hawke: zakim, drop Zhe

18:07:15 <Zakim> Zhe is being disconnected

Zakim IRC Bot: Zhe is being disconnected

18:07:16 <Zakim> -Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe

18:07:26 <IanH> zakim, who is on the cs

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the cs

18:07:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the cs', IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the cs', IanH

18:07:26 <jeremy> zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me

18:07:27 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:07:28 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:07:28 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: m_schnei should now be muted

18:07:29 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

18:07:30 <bcuencagrau> hey you guys cut me!

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: hey you guys cut me!

18:07:32 <IanH> zakim, who is on the call?

Ian Horrocks: zakim, who is on the call?

18:07:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see pfps_ (muted), bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), jeremy (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, DougL, Carsten

18:07:36 <Zakim> ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted), [IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted), [IBM]

18:07:42 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille

Achille Fokoue: Zakim, IBM is Achille

18:07:42 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

18:07:58 <Elisa> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

18:08:07 <Elisa> Agenda amendments - none

Agenda amendments - none

18:08:26 <Zakim> +m_schnei.a

Zakim IRC Bot: +m_schnei.a

18:08:32 <pfps_> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:08:35 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

18:08:50 <pfps_> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:08:50 <Zakim> pfps_ was already muted, pfps_

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_ was already muted, pfps_

18:08:52 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P18 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, ??P18 is me

18:08:52 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencagrau; got it

18:09:07 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: Zakim, mute me

18:09:07 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencagrau should now be muted

18:09:09 <sandro> Zakim, m_schnei.a is Zhe

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, m_schnei.a is Zhe

18:09:09 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe; got it

18:09:13 <Zhe> thanks

Zhe Wu: thanks

18:09:23 <IanH> PROPOSAL: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.13/Minutes

PROPOSED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.13/Minutes

18:09:36 <ivan> +1 for the minutes

Ivan Herman: +1 for the minutes

18:09:38 <MartinD> +1

Martin Dzbor: +1

18:09:43 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:10:05 <m_schnei> 2008-02-13

Michael Schneider: 2008-02-13

18:10:36 <uli> i think the linked minutes *are* 20th

Uli Sattler: i think the linked minutes *are* 20th

18:10:50 <IanH> PROPOSAL: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes

PROPOSED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes

18:11:03 <pfps_> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:11:05 <Zhe> +1

Zhe Wu: +1

18:11:14 <IanH> RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes

RESOLVED: accept previous minutes http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.02.20/Minutes

18:11:32 <jeremy> note the 20th minutes indicate that we did approve the 13th minutes

Jeremy Carroll: note the 20th minutes indicate that we did approve the 13th minutes

18:11:36 <Elisa> Upcoming incubator group discussion

Upcoming incubator group discussion

18:11:48 <m_schnei> What is the incubator group?

Michael Schneider: What is the incubator group?

18:12:11 <Elisa> Ivan: the incubator group is finally looking at ways of mapping data to RDF

Ivan Herman: the incubator group is finally looking at ways of mapping data to RDF

18:12:27 <Elisa> this is relevant to this group is that they are interested in mapping relational

this is relevant to this group is that they are interested in mapping relational

18:12:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

18:12:39 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc#T18-12-39

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/02/27-owl-irc#T18-12-39

18:12:43 <Elisa> data to owl structures; if all goes as planned, it will be announced tomorrow

data to owl structures; if all goes as planned, it will be announced tomorrow

18:13:03 <Elisa> it will be announced on the home page as well; charter URL is not available yet

it will be announced on the home page as well; charter URL is not available yet

18:13:16 <hendler> q+ to say not obliquely

James Hendler: q+ to say not obliquely

18:13:26 <Elisa> Ian: this is something we would just want to keep an eye on, but not much to do now

Ian Horrocks: this is something we would just want to keep an eye on, but not much to do now

18:13:37 <IanH> Q?

Ian Horrocks: Q?

18:13:47 <m_schnei> no

Michael Schneider: no

18:13:48 <Elisa> Pending actions discussion

Pending actions discussion

18:13:54 <m_schnei> it is *not* me

Michael Schneider: it is *not* me

18:13:55 <sandro> ack m_schnei.a

Sandro Hawke: ack m_schnei.a

18:14:02 <sandro> ack hendler

Sandro Hawke: ack hendler

18:14:02 <Zakim> hendler, you wanted to say not obliquely

Zakim IRC Bot: hendler, you wanted to say not obliquely

18:14:20 <pfps_> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:14:23 <jeremy> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

18:14:25 <Elisa> Jim: just wanted to say that the incubator group is directly related to the discussion on fragments

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Unknown Jim: just wanted to say that the incubator group is directly related to the discussion on fragments

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18:14:38 <Elisa> related to SQL queries, so we need to pay close attention to this

related to SQL queries, so we need to pay close attention to this

18:14:40 <pfps_> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:14:56 <Elisa> we should make sure that the coordination group makes sure that we don't work at cross purposes

we should make sure that the coordination group makes sure that we don't work at cross purposes

18:15:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:15:49 <Elisa> Ian: so should we consider nominating someone to coordinate with this group?

Ian Horrocks: so should we consider nominating someone to coordinate with this group?

18:16:01 <Elisa> Ivan: I propose we should wait a week and look at the charter first

Ivan Herman: I propose we should wait a week and look at the charter first

18:16:04 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:12 <Elisa> Note that the chair is from oracle

Note that the chair is from oracle

18:16:19 <Elisa> Pending review actions

Pending review actions

18:16:26 <ewallace> q+

Evan Wallace: q+

18:16:43 <Elisa> Ian: there was agreement that Boris would update the spec to address issue-95

Ian Horrocks: there was agreement that Boris would update the spec to address ISSUE-95

18:16:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:16:49 <Elisa> any objection?

any objection?

18:17:04 <Elisa> Evan: I brought up in email that figure 5 does not completely reflect the change

Evan Wallace: I brought up in email that figure 5 does not completely reflect the change

18:17:16 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

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18:17:18 <Elisa> Ian: is that the only problem, that figure 5 needs fixing?

Ian Horrocks: is that the only problem, that figure 5 needs fixing?

18:17:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:17:28 <IanH> ack ewallace

Ian Horrocks: ack ewallace

18:17:36 <Elisa> Evan: I didn't particularly like the resolution either, but given the resolution, yes

Evan Wallace: I didn't particularly like the resolution either, but given the resolution, yes

18:17:45 <Elisa> Boris: what's wrong with the figure?

Boris Motik: what's wrong with the figure?

18:18:04 <pfps_> figure 5 is also wrong for me

Peter Patel-Schneider: figure 5 is also wrong for me

18:18:05 <Elisa> Evan: it should point to a datatype rather than DataRange

Evan Wallace: it should point to a datatype rather than DataRange

18:18:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:18:12 <JeffP> URL?

Jeff Pan: URL?

18:18:24 <Elisa> Boris: it's been corrected - you might need to refresh your cache

Boris Motik: it's been corrected - you might need to refresh your cache

18:18:24 <m_schnei> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:18:29 <pfps_> but refreshing fixes it

Peter Patel-Schneider: but refreshing fixes it

18:18:29 <uli> fig 5 on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax

Uli Sattler: fig 5 on http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax

18:18:31 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

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18:18:36 <Elisa> Ian: Peter also says this is aproblem for him

Ian Horrocks: Peter also says this is aproblem for him

18:18:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:19:01 <Elisa> Michael: what about the other document, the semantics and RDF mapping ... which is a little bit confusing

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Unknown Michael: what about the other document, the semantics and RDF mapping ... which is a little bit confusing

18:19:16 <Elisa> Ian: are you asking about interactions with other documents?

Ian Horrocks: are you asking about interactions with other documents?

18:19:32 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

Michael Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:19:33 <Elisa> Michael: yes, interactions between the syntax document and other documents on this issue

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Unknown Michael: yes, interactions between the syntax document and other documents on this issue

18:19:37 <JeffP> uli, thanks!

Jeff Pan: uli, thanks!

18:19:46 <Elisa> Boris: I need to check the documents

Boris Motik: I need to check the documents

18:20:21 <Elisa> Ian: we may not be able to resolve these issues with issue 95, thus it may need revisiting next week

Ian Horrocks: we may not be able to resolve these issues with ISSUE-95, thus it may need revisiting next week

18:20:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:20:42 <Elisa> Boris: I don't think the other documents need to change, but perhaps other people have other opinions

Boris Motik: I don't think the other documents need to change, but perhaps other people have other opinions

18:20:57 <Elisa> Ian: perhaps we should come back to this next week for a definitive answer

Ian Horrocks: perhaps we should come back to this next week for a definitive answer

18:20:57 <pfps_> semantics has to change, but only very little

Peter Patel-Schneider: semantics has to change, but only very little

18:21:28 <Elisa> Ian: Let's leave this as pending and revisit it next week

Ian Horrocks: Let's leave this as pending and revisit it next week

18:21:32 <Elisa> Boris: ok

Boris Motik: ok

18:21:48 <ewallace> After refreshing I do see the change in Figure 5!

Evan Wallace: After refreshing I do see the change in Figure 5!

18:21:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:03 <m_schnei> no

Michael Schneider: no

18:22:03 <Elisa> Ian: Action 87, which alan has completed ... are we happy with what alan has written there?

Ian Horrocks: ACTION-87, which alan has completed ... are we happy with what alan has written there?

18:22:05 <m_schnei> q-

Michael Schneider: q-

18:22:27 <Elisa> Ian: Action 87: Complete

Ian Horrocks: ACTION-87: Complete

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18:22:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:22:45 <m_schnei> +1 to peter's mail

Michael Schneider: +1 to peter's mail

18:22:50 <pfps_> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:22:54 <jeremy> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

18:23:01 <Elisa> Ian: Action 92: Peter to write up his understanding of ISSUE-68

Ian Horrocks: ACTION-92: Peter to write up his understanding of ISSUE-68

18:23:11 <Elisa> ACTION 92: complete

ACTION-92: complete

18:23:29 <Elisa> Action 72, Action 79 postponed

ACTION-72, ACTION-79 postponed

18:23:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:24:11 <Elisa> Action 90 - Jeremy, pending, will try to get it done for next week

ACTION-90 - Jeremy, pending, will try to get it done for next week

18:24:31 <Elisa> Action 42, Bijan - postponed

ACTION-42, Bijan - postponed

18:24:38 <jeremy> ditto

Jeremy Carroll: ditto

18:24:44 <uli> Bijan said he was working on it

Uli Sattler: Bijan said he was working on it

18:24:47 <Elisa> Action 86, Jeremy - pending for next week

ACTION-86, Jeremy - pending for next week

18:25:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:25:25 <jeremy> jeremy; a lot of HP work on at the moment, should ease off at easter

Jeremy Carroll: jeremy; a lot of HP work on at the moment, should ease off at easter

18:25:26 <Elisa> Ian: Publication schedule, issue from Boris regarding updating public working drafts, which docs we might want to publish

Ian Horrocks: Publication schedule, issue from Boris regarding updating public working drafts, which docs we might want to publish

18:25:47 <Elisa> would we want to update the current working drafts or potentially publish other documents

would we want to update the current working drafts or potentially publish other documents

18:25:57 <pfps_> +1 to boris's proposal :-)

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to boris's proposal :-)

18:26:03 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

18:26:05 <jeremy> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

18:26:06 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:26:12 <Elisa> Boris proposes that at least the current 3 docs that are working drafts should be updated

Boris proposes that at least the current 3 docs that are working drafts should be updated

18:26:39 <Elisa> Sandro: the motivation doesn't make sense to me; we can make snapshots for the working group, but the reason to publish

Sandro Hawke: the motivation doesn't make sense to me; we can make snapshots for the working group, but the reason to publish

18:26:52 <pfps_> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:26:54 <Elisa> new working drafts is to get feedback from outside the working group

new working drafts is to get feedback from outside the working group

18:27:06 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:09 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:27:10 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

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18:27:14 <Elisa> Ian: this is a good point, have the docs changed sufficiently that we would want outside feedback

Ian Horrocks: this is a good point, have the docs changed sufficiently that we would want outside feedback

18:27:21 <jeremy> ack jeremy

Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy

18:27:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:27:58 <sandro> heatbeat deadline is April 8th

Sandro Hawke: heatbeat deadline is April 8th

18:28:10 <Elisa> Jeremy: I think that it is good to show that we're aligned, if we are

Jeremy Carroll: I think that it is good to show that we're aligned, if we are

18:28:41 <Elisa> Sandro: the work in making another working draft is to publish a note to the public that there is another working draft, and then to publish it

Sandro Hawke: the work in making another working draft is to publish a note to the public that there is another working draft, and then to publish it

18:28:54 <Elisa> If there are changes worth sharing, then sure, let's republish

If there are changes worth sharing, then sure, let's republish

18:28:59 <pfps_> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:29:03 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:29 <Elisa> Ian: several people mentioned publishing the XML syntax, two things to discuss - A, are the changes sufficient to publish new versions

Ian Horrocks: several people mentioned publishing the XML syntax, two things to discuss - A, are the changes sufficient to publish new versions

18:29:42 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:29:43 <Elisa> and B should we consider publishing additional documents

and B should we consider publishing additional documents

18:29:49 <jeremy> q+ tp bring up grddl

Jeremy Carroll: q+ tp bring up grddl

18:30:00 <Elisa> Boris: I think it would be good to show that we are aligned and something has changed

Boris Motik: I think it would be good to show that we are aligned and something has changed

18:30:01 <jeremy> q+ tp mention grddl

Jeremy Carroll: q+ tp mention grddl

18:30:12 <jeremy> q+ to bring up grddl

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to bring up grddl

18:30:20 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:30 <Elisa> I also think we have fixed quite a few bugs, and coming up with a list of the issues we've fixed might also be good

I also think we have fixed quite a few bugs, and coming up with a list of the issues we've fixed might also be good

18:30:31 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:30:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:30:49 <Elisa> We should consider the XML syntax and also the RDF mapping

We should consider the XML syntax and also the RDF mapping

18:31:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:31:14 <Elisa> Boris: the other document we should publish is the XML syntax, if we can achieve resolution on the fragments then

Boris Motik: the other document we should publish is the XML syntax, if we can achieve resolution on the fragments then

18:31:19 <Elisa> we should consider that as well

we should consider that as well

18:31:22 <DougL> Zakim, you never fail to remind us to be humble in our claims and expectations about how close we are to semantic understanding in our software.

Doug Lenat: Zakim, you never fail to remind us to be humble in our claims and expectations about how close we are to semantic understanding in our software.

18:31:22 <Zakim> I don't understand you, DougL

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand you, DougL

18:31:31 <Elisa> Ian: I don't think that the fragments are ready yet

Ian Horrocks: I don't think that the fragments are ready yet

18:31:53 <DougL> Exactly.

Doug Lenat: Exactly.

18:32:20 <Elisa> Jeremy: I'm in principle in favor of publishing the XML syntax, we should add having a GRIDDL profile to the issue list

Jeremy Carroll: I'm in principle in favor of publishing the XML syntax, we should add having a GRIDDL profile to the issue list

18:32:29 <Elisa> Ian: yes I think that's appropriate

Ian Horrocks: yes I think that's appropriate

18:32:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:32:36 <Elisa> Jeremy: ok, I'll do that

Jeremy Carroll: ok, I'll do that

18:32:44 <jeremy> ack jeremy

Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy

18:32:44 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to bring up grddl

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to bring up grddl

18:32:54 <jeremy> zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me

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Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:33:22 <Elisa> Ian: nobody else expressed anything about the other working drafts ... don't know whether that speaks for or against republishing

Ian Horrocks: nobody else expressed anything about the other working drafts ... don't know whether that speaks for or against republishing

18:33:27 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:33:44 <Elisa> Perhaps if we publish both the documents and a list of the issues that have been addressed / changed / fixed would be useful

Perhaps if we publish both the documents and a list of the issues that have been addressed / changed / fixed would be useful

18:33:46 <jeremy> -0

Jeremy Carroll: -0

18:33:56 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Should we re-publish new version of three already-published documents

STRAWPOLL: Should we re-publish new version of three already-published documents

18:34:01 <Elisa> Straw pole on whether we should publish new ones, perhaps we should do this doc by doc

Straw pole on whether we should publish new ones, perhaps we should do this doc by doc

18:34:08 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Syntax?

STRAWPOLL: Syntax?

18:34:09 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:34:10 <hendler> +0

James Hendler: +0

18:34:10 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:34:10 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:34:10 <pfps_> +1 to re-publish

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to re-publish

18:34:11 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

18:34:12 <m_schnei> -0

Michael Schneider: -0

18:34:13 <MarkusK> +0

Markus Krötzsch: +0

18:34:14 <Elisa> who thinks the structural syntax has changed enough

who thinks the structural syntax has changed enough

18:34:14 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:34:15 <jeremy> -0

Jeremy Carroll: -0

18:34:15 <DougL> 0

Doug Lenat: 0

18:34:16 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

18:34:16 <JeffP> 0

Jeff Pan: 0

18:34:18 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

18:34:20 <Elisa> +1

+1

18:34:22 <Carsten> +1

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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 49 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Héctor Pérez Urbina Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Jonathan Rees Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Michael Schneider Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: +1

18:34:34 <Elisa> ok so generally positive on structural syntad

ok so generally positive on structural syntad

18:34:37 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Semantics?

STRAWPOLL: Semantics?

18:34:41 <Elisa> same question on semantics document

same question on semantics document

18:35:09 <hendler> -0

James Hendler: -0

18:35:12 <ivan> -0

Ivan Herman: -0

18:35:21 <m_schnei> -0

Michael Schneider: -0

18:35:25 <pfps_> +1

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1

18:35:30 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:35:31 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:35:32 <jeremy> -0

Jeremy Carroll: -0

18:35:34 <Elisa> 0

0

18:35:37 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

18:35:40 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

18:35:40 <DougL> 0

Doug Lenat: 0

18:35:50 <Elisa> Ian: do we need a formal resolution to publish?

Ian Horrocks: do we need a formal resolution to publish?

18:35:59 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me

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18:36:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:36:05 <Elisa> Sandro: yes, with regard to publishing, we should

Sandro Hawke: yes, with regard to publishing, we should

18:36:06 <pfps_> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:36:08 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

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18:36:30 <Elisa> Jeremy: I feel that we should have addressed 1 or 2 of the harder issues before republishing

Jeremy Carroll: I feel that we should have addressed 1 or 2 of the harder issues before republishing

18:36:31 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:36:35 <hendler> q+

James Hendler: q+

18:36:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:36:55 <sandro> Jeremy: I'd like us to have done one or two of the harder issues before republishing -- especially given Jim's point about lack of interest in the previous draft.    I wouldn't oppose publishing, but I'm not convinced it's worth the effort.

Jeremy Carroll: I'd like us to have done one or two of the harder issues before republishing -- especially given Jim's point about lack of interest in the previous draft. I wouldn't oppose publishing, but I'm not convinced it's worth the effort. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:36:56 <Elisa> We've done quite a bit of cleaning up, but something new would be more interesting -- I'm not convinced that it's work the effort

We've done quite a bit of cleaning up, but something new would be more interesting -- I'm not convinced that it's work the effort

18:36:58 <IanH> ack hendler

Ian Horrocks: ack hendler

18:37:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:06 <sandro> Jim: My real fear is exausting people.

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Unknown Jim: My real fear is exausting people. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:37:24 <sandro> Jim: ... ie crying wolf.

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18:37:26 <jeremy> jeremy: i would concur

Jeremy Carroll: i would concur [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:37:34 <Elisa> Jim: my real fear is of exhausting people - if we republish for minor issues, people won't really look when we rerelease for major issues

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Unknown Jim: my real fear is of exhausting people - if we republish for minor issues, people won't really look when we rerelease for major issues

18:37:36 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:37:51 <jeremy> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

18:37:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:38:06 <Elisa> we run the risk of getting to CR and having people raise more difficult issues

we run the risk of getting to CR and having people raise more difficult issues

18:38:26 <Elisa> Sandro: if we publish with a list of the things we've addressed, and then ask for feedback does that make sense

Sandro Hawke: if we publish with a list of the things we've addressed, and then ask for feedback does that make sense

18:38:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:04 <Elisa> Jim: my sense is that people don't read the status section, and I would prefer we fix some more substantive issues before publication

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Unknown Jim: my sense is that people don't read the status section, and I would prefer we fix some more substantive issues before publication

18:39:18 <Elisa> Jeremy: we can meet the heartbeat status by publishing other documents

Jeremy Carroll: we can meet the heartbeat status by publishing other documents

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18:39:24 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:39:28 <sandro> q+ to ask if we should republish all when we republish any?

Sandro Hawke: q+ to ask if we should republish all when we republish any?

18:39:32 <sandro> ack jeremy

Sandro Hawke: ack jeremy

18:39:45 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

18:40:03 <sandro> Ian: Okay, let's try to resolve another issue or two

Ian Horrocks: Okay, let's try to resolve another issue or two [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:40:10 <Elisa> Perhaps we should see if we can resolve a few more of these issues before publishing,

Perhaps we should see if we can resolve a few more of these issues before publishing,

18:40:13 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: Semantics -- republish?

STRAWPOLL: Semantics -- republish?

18:40:20 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:40:20 <ewallace> -0

Evan Wallace: -0

18:40:21 <ivan> -0

Ivan Herman: -0

18:40:23 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:40:24 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

18:40:24 <JeffP> 0

Jeff Pan: 0

18:40:26 <hendler> -.000000001

James Hendler: -.000000001

18:40:27 <MarkusK> +0

Markus Krötzsch: +0

18:40:28 <m_schnei> -0

Michael Schneider: -0

18:40:31 <bcuencagrau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

18:40:31 <uli> +0

Uli Sattler: +0

18:40:32 <jeremy> -0

Jeremy Carroll: -0

18:40:55 <Elisa> Ian: so not very strong support for that, how about the RDF mapping document

Ian Horrocks: so not very strong support for that, how about the RDF mapping document

18:40:58 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: republish RDF Mapping?

STRAWPOLL: republish RDF Mapping?

18:41:00 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:41:03 <hendler> -0

James Hendler: -0

18:41:03 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

18:41:06 <Zhe> 0

Zhe Wu: 0

18:41:06 <Achille> +1

Achille Fokoue: +1

18:41:07 <MarkusK> +0

Markus Krötzsch: +0

18:41:09 <m_schnei> -0

Michael Schneider: -0

18:41:11 <JeffP> 0

Jeff Pan: 0

18:41:12 <ivan> -1

Ivan Herman: -1

18:41:15 <bcuencagrau> 0

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: 0

18:41:42 <ewallace> and the Primer

Evan Wallace: and the Primer

18:41:45 <m_schnei> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:41:52 <Elisa> Ian: so similarly, not tremendously strong support for that, so the other issue is whether or not to go forward with any of the other documents, modulo resolving the GRDDL issue

Ian Horrocks: so similarly, not tremendously strong support for that, so the other issue is whether or not to go forward with any of the other documents, modulo resolving the GRDDL issue

18:41:59 <Elisa> with the XML syntax document,

with the XML syntax document,

18:42:05 <IanH> STRAWPOLL: XML syntax to FPWD

STRAWPOLL: XML syntax to FPWD

18:42:07 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:42:09 <uli> +1

Uli Sattler: +1

18:42:11 <bcuencagrau> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

18:42:13 <Elisa> how many feel we should publish that

how many feel we should publish that

18:42:15 <hendler> -0 without GRDDL, +1 with

James Hendler: -0 without GRDDL, +1 with

18:42:18 <Zakim> +pfps_

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18:42:19 <jeremy> i don't think we need resolve grddl issue before pub

Jeremy Carroll: i don't think we need resolve grddl issue before pub

18:42:19 <Zhe> +0

Zhe Wu: +0

18:42:19 <MarkusK> +0

Markus Krötzsch: +0

18:42:19 <m_schnei> -1 until I have done my homework

Michael Schneider: -1 until I have done my homework

18:42:21 <ivan> 1

Ivan Herman: 1

18:42:21 <ewallace> +1

Evan Wallace: +1

18:42:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:42:24 <JeffP> 0

Jeff Pan: 0

18:42:27 <Achille> 0 : I have not followed the changes made there

Achille Fokoue: 0 : I have not followed the changes made there

18:42:27 <jeremy> +1

Jeremy Carroll: +1

18:42:31 <DougL> 0

Doug Lenat: 0

18:42:32 <pfps_> +1 to publish

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to publish

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18:42:54 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

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18:42:57 <Elisa> Michael: need time to read this document before I say anything about it

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Unknown Michael: need time to read this document before I say anything about it

18:43:02 <jeremy> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

18:43:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:09 <ivan> ack m_schnei

Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei

18:43:11 <m_schnei> :-)

Michael Schneider: :-)

18:43:11 <Elisa> Ian: it has been on the wiki since the working group started ...

Ian Horrocks: it has been on the wiki since the working group started ...

18:43:22 <bmotik> zakim, mute me

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18:43:30 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

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18:43:51 <m_schnei> there is a strong echo in the line

Michael Schneider: there is a strong echo in the line

18:43:52 <pfps_> zakim, who is talking?

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is talking?

18:43:57 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:44:03 <Zakim> pfps_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: IanH (24%), Sandro (40%)

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps_, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: IanH (24%), Sandro (40%)

18:44:05 <pfps_> zakim, mute me

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18:44:14 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

18:44:25 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jeremy (5%)

18:44:27 <jeremy> ack jeremy

Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy

18:44:40 <Elisa> Ian: we have homework to do, potential issues with respect to GRDDL, and then we can think about a potential proposal to publish

Ian Horrocks: we have homework to do, potential issues with respect to GRDDL, and then we can think about a potential proposal to publish

18:44:55 <Elisa> Topic: Proposal to Resolve

2. Proposal to Resolve

18:44:57 <m_schnei> +q

Michael Schneider: +q

18:45:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:45:14 <bmotik> I've already updated some of the documents

Boris Motik: I've already updated some of the documents

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18:45:19 <Elisa> Ian: this needs to be postponed to next week

Ian Horrocks: this needs to be postponed to next week

18:45:30 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:45:55 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me

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18:46:11 <Elisa> Michael: ISSUE-95 is only about this compatibility table, it may make sense to close this and open another regarding datatype restrictions

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Unknown Michael: ISSUE-95 is only about this compatibility table, it may make sense to close this and open another regarding datatype restrictions

18:46:14 <m_schnei> yes

Michael Schneider: yes

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18:46:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:30 <IanH> ack m_schnei

Ian Horrocks: ack m_schnei

18:46:36 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:46:47 <Elisa> Boris: I actually think this is difficult to split, the table by itself is meaningless unless you say how you are applying it

Boris Motik: I actually think this is difficult to split, the table by itself is meaningless unless you say how you are applying it

18:47:04 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

18:47:04 <Elisa> when I entered this issue, I thought these two things had to be considered together

when I entered this issue, I thought these two things had to be considered together

18:47:33 <Elisa> I do agree that we probably need something like named datatypes, but this issue is about fixing an error, modulo fixing the other docs

I do agree that we probably need something like named datatypes, but this issue is about fixing an error, modulo fixing the other docs

18:47:45 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:47:49 <Elisa> If there are other features we should discuss them separately, and limit scope

If there are other features we should discuss them separately, and limit scope

18:48:15 <m_schnei> agreed, it's probably better to leave 95 open for the moment

Michael Schneider: agreed, it's probably better to leave 95 open for the moment

18:48:28 <Elisa> Ian: we should try to keep issues fairly scoped; there are a few details that you didn't get to, but hopefully they will be resolved by next week

Ian Horrocks: we should try to keep issues fairly scoped; there are a few details that you didn't get to, but hopefully they will be resolved by next week

18:48:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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18:48:50 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik

18:48:50 <bmotik> q-

Boris Motik: q-

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18:49:17 <Elisa> Ian: Next issue is OWL 1.1 Full

Ian Horrocks: Next issue is OWL 1.1 Full

18:49:28 <jeremy> yes

Jeremy Carroll: yes

18:49:40 <Elisa> Some of the issues related to OWL 1.1 Full are some of these difficult issues to which Jeremy was alluding when we discussed publication

Some of the issues related to OWL 1.1 Full are some of these difficult issues to which Jeremy was alluding when we discussed publication

18:50:01 <Elisa> we need to figure out generally how we're going to go forward on OWL 1.1 FUll, who is going to address the semantics,

we need to figure out generally how we're going to go forward on OWL 1.1 FUll, who is going to address the semantics,

18:50:09 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:50:14 <m_schnei> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

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Michael Schneider: zakim, unmute me

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18:50:22 <Elisa> are the semantics going to be completely new, who is going to do the work, anybody interested in doing the work

are the semantics going to be completely new, who is going to do the work, anybody interested in doing the work

18:51:05 <Elisa> Michael: I offer to expand the semantics to cover the new constructs ... I would need alot of people to look over what I do if I do it

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Unknown Michael: I offer to expand the semantics to cover the new constructs ... I would need alot of people to look over what I do if I do it

18:51:14 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:51:22 <IanH> ack m_schnei

Ian Horrocks: ack m_schnei

18:51:26 <Elisa> I could expand the semantics to include the new constructs as they are, but would need significant review

I could expand the semantics to include the new constructs as they are, but would need significant review

18:51:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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18:51:51 <Elisa> Jeremy: I would offer to review / play a supportive role of the sort michael is asking for

Jeremy Carroll: I would offer to review / play a supportive role of the sort michael is asking for

18:52:02 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:52:08 <Elisa> Ian: is this the right way forward, or would we prefer to look for completely new semantics

Ian Horrocks: is this the right way forward, or would we prefer to look for completely new semantics

18:52:27 <Elisa> Jeremy: Bijan had a proposal for completely new semantics that I've lost track of, he's not on the call

Jeremy Carroll: Bijan had a proposal for completely new semantics that I've lost track of, he's not on the call

18:52:42 <Elisa> Ian: so what do you think about this Jeremy - about extending the existing semantics

Ian Horrocks: so what do you think about this Jeremy - about extending the existing semantics

18:53:11 <Elisa> Jeremy: to me this shouldn't be too difficult to extend the existing semantics ...we've hit an issue with the QCRs that needs to be addressed ...

Jeremy Carroll: to me this shouldn't be too difficult to extend the existing semantics ...we've hit an issue with the QCRs that needs to be addressed ...

18:53:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:53:24 <Elisa> the property change looks quite straightforward to me

the property change looks quite straightforward to me

18:53:47 <Elisa> the issues are going to be where it interacts with other things, such as reification

the issues are going to be where it interacts with other things, such as reification

18:54:01 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:27 <m_schnei> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

18:54:32 <Elisa> Ian: quite alot of the other issues are not saying ... there is a known problem here ... we need to discover whether there really

Ian Horrocks: quite alot of the other issues are not saying ... there is a known problem here ... we need to discover whether there really

18:54:41 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

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18:54:41 <Elisa> is an issue here, and then figure out how to address it

is an issue here, and then figure out how to address it

18:54:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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18:54:55 <ivan> ack m_schnei

Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei

18:54:58 <Elisa> We seem to have a way forward here

We seem to have a way forward here

18:55:24 <Elisa> Michael: I think the best would be to follow what ... has done a few weeks ago, a proposal for semantics with considerations

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Unknown Michael: I think the best would be to follow what ... has done a few weeks ago, a proposal for semantics with considerations

18:55:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:55:37 <Elisa> then we can look at what the problems are

then we can look at what the problems are

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18:56:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:04 <Elisa> Jeremy: we could go for a public working draft that is essential a diff -- here are the new bits, that will be

Jeremy Carroll: we could go for a public working draft that is essential a diff -- here are the new bits, that will be

18:56:13 <Elisa> converged with the older version eventually

converged with the older version eventually

18:56:27 <Elisa> Clearly by working draft 2 or 3 we would actually need to do the merge

Clearly by working draft 2 or 3 we would actually need to do the merge

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18:56:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:54 <Elisa> Ian: we should have an action on Michael to do this ... Michael, how long do you need for this ...

Ian Horrocks: we should have an action on Michael to do this ... Michael, how long do you need for this ...

18:57:23 <Elisa> Michael: since I have already done some preliminary work, we could have the start of a wiki for F2F2

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Unknown Michael: since I have already done some preliminary work, we could have the start of a wiki for F2F2

18:57:53 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:57:57 <Elisa> A wiki version, which has language constructs and related semantics and considerations for F2F2, not a full draft, which will take a lot of writing

A wiki version, which has language constructs and related semantics and considerations for F2F2, not a full draft, which will take a lot of writing

18:58:36 <Elisa> ACTION: Michael will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

ACTION: Michael will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

18:58:36 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Michael

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18:58:36 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. msmith9, mschneid, msintek)

Trackbot IRC Bot: Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. msmith9, mschneid, msintek)

18:58:39 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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18:59:13 <Elisa> ACTION Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

ACTION Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

18:59:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:59:31 <sandro> Elisa, it's "ACTION: name to ..."

Sandro Hawke: Elisa, it's "ACTION: name to ..."

18:59:52 <sandro> (you left out the colon the second time.)

Sandro Hawke: (you left out the colon the second time.)

19:00:02 <Carsten> I very much agree!! Alas, I have to go. bye.

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Unknown Carsten: I very much agree!! Alas, I have to go. bye.

19:00:02 <sandro> ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

19:00:02 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-93 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-93 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with a draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].

19:00:03 <Elisa> ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

ACTION: Mschneid will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting

19:00:04 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-94 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-94 - Will initiate work on the OWL 1.1 Full semantics, with draft posted to the wiki a week prior to the next F2F meeting [on Michael Schneider - due 2008-03-05].

19:00:16 <sandro> d'poh.   I'll drop action 94

Sandro Hawke: d'poh. I'll drop ACTION-94

19:00:18 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:00:25 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:00:26 <m_schnei> q+

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19:00:35 <IanH> q?

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19:00:45 <Zakim> -Carsten

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19:01:33 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:01:38 <Elisa> Michael: it's a layered architecture, might use a rule-based semantics, taking the lead from the semantics for RDFS

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Unknown Michael: it's a layered architecture, might use a rule-based semantics, taking the lead from the semantics for RDFS

19:02:14 <jeremy> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

19:02:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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19:02:26 <Elisa> could specify this with a rule-based semantics - I think this fragment would be a good place to start

could specify this with a rule-based semantics - I think this fragment would be a good place to start

19:02:45 <Elisa> Jeremy: is the proposal that we should define OWL prime fragment by a set of rules that would

Jeremy Carroll: is the proposal that we should define OWL prime fragment by a set of rules that would

19:03:04 <Elisa> give aminimum level of entailment

give aminimum level of entailment

19:03:12 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:03:47 <Elisa> Ian: this is something that isn't completely clear in the email on this fragments thread

Ian Horrocks: this is something that isn't completely clear in the email on this fragments thread

19:03:50 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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19:03:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:03:59 <IanH> ack jeremy

Ian Horrocks: ack jeremy

19:04:02 <jeremy> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q-

19:04:09 <Elisa> Michael: completeness stuff I'm planning to address in email

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Unknown Michael: completeness stuff I'm planning to address in email

19:04:13 <hendler> q+

James Hendler: q+

19:04:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:23 <Elisa> Jeremy: and also what we mean by completeness

Jeremy Carroll: and also what we mean by completeness

19:04:36 <Elisa> Michael: there are a few things to consider, I will respond in email

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Unknown Michael: there are a few things to consider, I will respond in email

19:04:44 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:04:46 <ivan> ack hendler

Ivan Herman: ack hendler

19:04:46 <Elisa> Ian: this is a complex issue, so we should wait for follow up in email

Ian Horrocks: this is a complex issue, so we should wait for follow up in email

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19:05:16 <Elisa> Jim: there is a thread that has gone off into PD* completeness that started with a thread on OWL Full completeness ...

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Unknown Jim: there is a thread that has gone off into PD* completeness that started with a thread on OWL Full completeness ...

19:05:26 <Elisa> are these two divergent threads

are these two divergent threads

19:05:30 <m_schnei> q+

Michael Schneider: q+

19:05:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:05:34 <Elisa> Owl prime completeness not owl full

Owl prime completeness not owl full

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19:05:37 <ivan> ack m_schnei

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19:05:52 <Elisa> Michael: the problem is that owl prime is a moving target

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Unknown Michael: the problem is that owl prime is a moving target

19:06:04 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:06:09 <Elisa> I think it has the possibility to converge

I think it has the possibility to converge

19:06:12 <ivan> q+

Ivan Herman: q+

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19:06:17 <Zakim> -jeremy

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19:06:18 <Elisa> Jim: ok then I'll wait to see what happens

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Unknown Jim: ok then I'll wait to see what happens

19:06:29 <Zhe> q+

Zhe Wu: q+

19:06:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:06:38 <Elisa> Ian: it will help alot to have the extended owl full semantics, which is significant progress

Ian Horrocks: it will help alot to have the extended owl full semantics, which is significant progress

19:06:56 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:07:03 <jeremy> zakim, jjc is jeremy

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19:07:03 <Zakim> +jeremy; got it

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19:07:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:07:35 <m_schnei> q+

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19:07:39 <Elisa> Ivan: the PD* and owl prime were all rule-based features in OWL 1.0, but when we look at the features to be added in OWL 1.1, there may be things worth investigating

Ivan Herman: the PD* and owl prime were all rule-based features in OWL 1.0, but when we look at the features to be added in OWL 1.1, there may be things worth investigating

19:07:42 <ivan> ack ivan

Ivan Herman: ack ivan

19:07:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:07:50 <ivan> ack Zhe

Ivan Herman: ack Zhe

19:08:06 <Elisa> Zhe: to Michael's comments, if he can come up with a set of rules for OWL full I will be happy to review them, then

Zhe Wu: to Michael's comments, if he can come up with a set of rules for OWL full I will be happy to review them, then

19:08:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:08:14 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

19:08:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK (muted), uli (muted), Ivan, MartinD (muted), DougL, Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei (muted),

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19:08:18 <Zakim> ... Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau (muted), pfps_ (muted), jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau (muted), pfps_ (muted), jeremy

19:08:18 <ivan> ack m_schnei

Ivan Herman: ack m_schnei

19:08:20 <m_schnei> zakim, unmute me

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19:08:20 <Zakim> m_schnei was not muted, m_schnei

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19:08:21 <Elisa> with respect to OWL 1.1, I think the property chains can be addressed with a few rules

with respect to OWL 1.1, I think the property chains can be addressed with a few rules

19:08:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:08:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:08:59 <Elisa> Michael: I think we have in mind OWL 1.1 features ... the question was where we don't have to do too much ourselves using the PD* paper

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Unknown Michael: I think we have in mind OWL 1.1 features ... the question was where we don't have to do too much ourselves using the PD* paper

19:09:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:09:22 <Elisa> going to OWL 1.1 features, we will have to address this ourselves, esp. wrt completeness

going to OWL 1.1 features, we will have to address this ourselves, esp. wrt completeness

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19:09:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:09:35 <IanH> ack jeremy

Ian Horrocks: ack jeremy

19:09:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:09:54 <Elisa> Jeremy: I think the PD* design has some fairly clear principles, which can guide what should be included and what can't be

Jeremy Carroll: I think the PD* design has some fairly clear principles, which can guide what should be included and what can't be

19:09:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:10:12 <sandro> Present: bmotik, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, MarkusK, uli, Ivan, MartinD, DougL, Sandro, IanH, hendler, Jeff_Pan, m_schnei, Achille, Zhe, bcuencagrau, pfps_, jeremy
19:10:19 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:10:20 <Elisa> we could use these design principles to extend OWL prime as a result

we could use these design principles to extend OWL prime as a result

19:10:26 <m_schnei> of course, OWL-11 features have not been asked for yet for OWL-Prime

Michael Schneider: of course, OWL-11 features have not been asked for yet for OWL-Prime

19:10:50 <Elisa> Ian: the main object of this discussion was to make progress on OWL Full semantics, which we have

Ian Horrocks: the main object of this discussion was to make progress on OWL Full semantics, which we have

19:10:59 <Elisa> Topic: Issue Discussions

3. Issue Discussions

19:11:01 <pfps_> I wonder what most the important perceived pD* features are

Peter Patel-Schneider: I wonder what most the important perceived pD* features are

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19:11:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:11:33 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

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19:11:36 <Elisa> Ian: Issue 3 - anonymous individuals ... there has been some traffic on this over the last few weeks ... are we any closer

Ian Horrocks: ISSUE-3 - anonymous individuals ... there has been some traffic on this over the last few weeks ... are we any closer

19:11:40 <Elisa> to a resolution on this?

to a resolution on this?

19:12:08 <hendler> I wonder where the decision to use pd* as the formalism for OWL Prime occured

James Hendler: I wonder where the decision to use pd* as the formalism for OWL Prime occured

19:12:17 <Elisa> Boris: the last time there was a question as to whether it would make sense to have anonymous individuals as skolems

Boris Motik: the last time there was a question as to whether it would make sense to have anonymous individuals as skolems

19:12:30 <jeremy> q+

Jeremy Carroll: q+

19:12:32 <uli> +1 to Boris

Uli Sattler: +1 to Boris

19:12:32 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:12:35 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

19:12:36 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

19:12:36 <pfps_> +1 to Boris

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to Boris

19:12:40 <Elisa> in the end we don't know what the semantics of owl full are, so I don't see that we are losing anything by that

in the end we don't know what the semantics of owl full are, so I don't see that we are losing anything by that

19:12:44 <bcuencagrau> +1 to Boris

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1 to Boris

19:12:48 <ivan> ack jeremy

Ivan Herman: ack jeremy

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19:12:55 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:09 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

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19:13:22 <m_schnei> jim, OWL-Prime and pD* have been discussed several times together in the past. This is why I found about pD* at all

Michael Schneider: jim, OWL-Prime and pD* have been discussed several times together in the past. This is why I found about pD* at all

19:13:26 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:36 <Elisa> Jeremy: so, I think it depends what we mean by compatibility, from one point of view it would be backwards compatibility and another the forward view

Jeremy Carroll: so, I think it depends what we mean by compatibility, from one point of view it would be backwards compatibility and another the forward view

19:13:37 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:45 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+

19:13:49 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:13:49 <Elisa> It would allow us to deal with more graphs

It would allow us to deal with more graphs

19:14:03 <hendler> mike: I've seen that, but it's one of several things under discussion as best I can tell

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19:14:08 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:14:08 <Elisa> Ian: pragmatically it wouldn't be any different since people are doing this in practice

Ian Horrocks: pragmatically it wouldn't be any different since people are doing this in practice

19:14:11 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

19:14:17 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:14:31 <Elisa> Boris: pragmatically this would bring the spec in line with implementations in OWL DL

Boris Motik: pragmatically this would bring the spec in line with implementations in OWL DL

19:14:52 <Elisa> I see this as an improvement rather than a disadvantage in OWL DL

I see this as an improvement rather than a disadvantage in OWL DL

19:15:23 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:15:25 <Elisa> we don't know whether OWL Full model theory is satisfiable, so we are being forced into thinking about this for the sake of some phantom compatibility issue

we don't know whether OWL Full model theory is satisfiable, so we are being forced into thinking about this for the sake of some phantom compatibility issue

19:15:33 <uli> ack uli

Uli Sattler: ack uli

19:15:35 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:15:36 <ivan> ack uli

Ivan Herman: ack uli

19:15:52 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

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19:16:01 <Elisa> Uli: I just wanted to make similar points - it would indeed cover more realistically what people have implemented and expect as answers

Uli Sattler: I just wanted to make similar points - it would indeed cover more realistically what people have implemented and expect as answers



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