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15:01:23 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-irc ←
15:01:31 <IanH> what is the access code?
Ian Horrocks: what is the access code? ←
15:01:41 <alanr_> zakim, code?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, code? ←
15:01:42 <pfps> the usual owlwg
Peter Patel-Schneider: the usual owlwg ←
15:02:01 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:02:39 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:52 <alanr_> zakim, this is owlwg
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, this is owlwg ←
15:03:07 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:30 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:03:33 <alanr_> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:03:40 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> sorry, alanr_, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alanr_, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:03:58 <Zakim> sorry, pfps, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, pfps, I don't know what conference this is ←
15:04:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
15:04:11 <pfps> zakim, this is owlwg
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this is owlwg ←
15:04:34 <Zakim> ok, pfps; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps; that matches SW_OWL()10:00AM ←
15:04:44 <pfps> zakim, who is on the phone?
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:05:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, ??P12, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, ??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, ??P12, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, ??P26 ←
15:05:50 <IanH> I didn't see an ??Px when I joined so don't know how to tell zakim who I am
Ian Horrocks: I didn't see an ??Px when I joined so don't know how to tell zakim who I am ←
15:05:56 <pfps> bijan? deb? jim?
Peter Patel-Schneider: bijan? deb? jim? ←
15:06:13 <pfps> no regrets from jim, I think
Peter Patel-Schneider: no regrets from jim, I think ←
15:06:22 <IanH> How do I raise my hand?
Ian Horrocks: How do I raise my hand? ←
15:06:33 <pfps> bijan was sick last week - he hasn't been sending email today, to he might be sick again
Peter Patel-Schneider: bijan was sick last week - he hasn't been sending email today, to he might be sick again ←
15:07:23 <Zakim> + +1.518.608.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.518.608.aabb ←
15:07:36 <alanr_> 41# to "raise your hand"
Alan Ruttenberg: 41# to "raise your hand" ←
15:07:52 <IanH> zakim, ??P26 is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P26 is IanH ←
15:07:52 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
15:07:53 <ewallace> The 301 num is probably Conrad
Evan Wallace: The 301 num is probably Conrad ←
15:07:57 <IanH> ack IanH
Ian Horrocks: ack IanH ←
15:08:02 <IanH> ack ??P26
Ian Horrocks: ack ??P26 ←
15:08:04 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:08:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, ??P12, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH, +1.518.608.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, ??P12, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH, +1.518.608.aabb ←
15:08:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
15:08:11 <Conrad> I'm (301) 975-3818
Conrad Bock: I'm (301) 975-3818 ←
15:08:23 <pfps> zakim, ??p12 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p12 is me ←
15:08:23 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
15:08:23 <alanr_> zakim, 3818 is Conrad
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, 3818 is Conrad ←
15:08:26 <Zakim> sorry, alanr_, I do not recognize a party named '3818'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, alanr_, I do not recognize a party named '3818' ←
15:08:34 <pfps> q- ??P12
Peter Patel-Schneider: q- ??P12 ←
15:08:46 <alanr_> zakim, aaaa is Conrad
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aaaa is Conrad ←
15:08:46 <Zakim> +Conrad; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Conrad; got it ←
15:08:58 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:08:59 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), +1.518.608.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), +1.518.608.aabb ←
15:09:00 <IanH> Bijan not in office -- trying home
Ian Horrocks: Bijan not in office -- trying home ←
15:09:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
15:09:21 <alanr_> zakim, aabb is Deb
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aabb is Deb ←
15:09:21 <Zakim> +Deb; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Deb; got it ←
15:09:31 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:09:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), Deb
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), Deb ←
15:09:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
15:10:55 <IanH> Tracked down Bijan -- he is on his way!
Ian Horrocks: Tracked down Bijan -- he is on his way! ←
15:12:08 <Zakim> +??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P38 ←
15:12:35 <bijan> zakim, who is here?
Bijan Parsia: zakim, who is here? ←
15:12:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), Deb, ??P38
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps (muted), ??P1, Elisa_Kendall, IanH (muted), Deb, ??P38 ←
15:12:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see bijan, Zakim, RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bijan, Zakim, RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
15:12:47 <IanH> zakim, ??P38 is bijan
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P38 is bijan ←
15:12:47 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
15:12:49 <bijan> zakim, ??P38
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P38 ←
15:12:49 <Zakim> I don't understand '??P38', bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand '??P38', bijan ←
15:13:04 <ewallace> Hi Bijan.
Evan Wallace: Hi Bijan. ←
15:13:23 <bijan> Hi, ewallace
Bijan Parsia: Hi, ewallace ←
15:13:28 <IanH> I don't know how this jar person is, but I guess that they shouldn't be on the call?
Ian Horrocks: I don't know how this jar person is, but I guess that they shouldn't be on the call? ←
15:13:42 <bijan> Jonathan Rees
Bijan Parsia: Jonathan Rees ←
15:13:51 <bijan> Who's with alan, I believe
Bijan Parsia: Who's with alan, I believe ←
15:13:58 <IanH> OK - sorry!
Ian Horrocks: OK - sorry! ←
15:15:29 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
15:15:40 <pfps> scribe?
Peter Patel-Schneider: scribe? ←
15:16:01 <bijan> "Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG)
Bijan Parsia: "Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) ←
15:16:02 <bijan> The most complete overview
Bijan Parsia: The most complete overview ←
15:16:02 <bijan> "
Bijan Parsia: " ←
15:16:12 <IanH> Skype dropped me -- back soon!
Ian Horrocks: Skype dropped me -- back soon! ←
15:16:33 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps
(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)
15:16:46 <pfps> Elisa: twice as many overviews as primers
Elisa Kendall: twice as many overviews as primers ←
15:16:52 <pfps> Bijan: of what sort?
Bijan Parsia: of what sort? ←
15:17:00 <pfps> Elisa: not necessarily rec track
Elisa Kendall: not necessarily rec track ←
15:17:16 <pfps> Elisa: overview - .....
Elisa Kendall: overview - ..... ←
15:17:17 <jar> jar = Jonathan Rees of Science Commons. Alan asked me to help out so I'm a WG member. I'm not on the call, just on irc.
Jonathan Rees: jar = Jonathan Rees of Science Commons. Alan asked me to help out so I'm a WG member. I'm not on the call, just on irc. ←
15:17:40 <pfps> Elisa: primer - longer document - some insight - not for experts
Elisa Kendall: primer - longer document - some insight - not for experts ←
15:17:58 <pfps> Elisa: quick start guide - pointers, a little bit of stuff - that's it
Elisa Kendall: quick start guide - pointers, a little bit of stuff - that's it ←
15:18:31 <pfps> Elisa: short is needed
Elisa Kendall: short is needed ←
15:18:40 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:18:45 <alanr_> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:19:50 <pfps> Bijan: guide goals are - short, entry point
Bijan Parsia: guide goals are - short, entry point ←
15:19:59 <pfps> Bijan: seems to align with Elisa's point
Bijan Parsia: seems to align with Elisa's point ←
15:20:12 <pfps> Bijan: longer guide is not necessary
Bijan Parsia: longer guide is not necessary ←
15:20:21 <pfps> Bijan: home page can serve as entry point
Bijan Parsia: home page can serve as entry point ←
15:20:58 <pfps> BIjan: inter doc pointers are very useful
Bijan Parsia: inter doc pointers are very useful ←
15:21:09 <pfps> Bijan: multiple documents are their own load
Bijan Parsia: multiple documents are their own load ←
15:21:21 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
15:21:31 <IanH> zakim, ??P26 is IanH
Ian Horrocks: zakim, ??P26 is IanH ←
15:21:31 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH; got it ←
15:21:35 <bijan> ack me
Bijan Parsia: ack me ←
15:21:36 <pfps> Bijan: home page can play role of entry point
Bijan Parsia: home page can play role of entry point ←
15:22:41 <pfps> Alan: Guide = Primer - narrative story
Alan Ruttenberg: Guide = Primer - narrative story ←
15:23:40 <pfps> Alan: missing from Overview - small orientation document, delta from previous
Alan Ruttenberg: missing from Overview - small orientation document, delta from previous ←
15:24:26 <ewallace> I am against tath
Evan Wallace: I am against tath ←
15:24:33 <pfps> Alan: Can we merge reference, syntax, and semantics?
Alan Ruttenberg: Can we merge reference, syntax, and semantics? ←
15:25:39 <Conrad> I thought Jim H was against that. I am also. The reference is supposed to be easy to use. Having a swtich is effectively different documents.
Conrad Bock: I thought Jim H was against that. I am also. The reference is supposed to be easy to use. Having a swtich is effectively different documents. ←
15:26:17 <pfps> Alan: merge reference and syntax - i.e., no separate 'reference'
Alan Ruttenberg: merge reference and syntax - i.e., no separate 'reference' ←
15:26:48 <Conrad> We should distinguish folding from what the user sees.
Conrad Bock: We should distinguish folding from what the user sees. ←
15:26:57 <pfps> Bijan: there is little information hiding needed - only reorganizaion
Bijan Parsia: there is little information hiding needed - only reorganizaion ←
15:27:15 <Conrad> Folding effectively produces separate documents, which is more what I'd like to see.
Conrad Bock: Folding effectively produces separate documents, which is more what I'd like to see. ←
15:27:29 <alanr_> chat by talking, not in irc, please
Alan Ruttenberg: chat by talking, not in irc, please ←
15:27:33 <alanr_> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:27:37 <alanr_> ack alanr_
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr_ ←
15:28:21 <alanr_> elisa suggesting "fold out" as overview. More than links to document. Summary of features of the language
Alan Ruttenberg: elisa suggesting "fold out" as overview. More than links to document. Summary of features of the language ←
15:28:33 <pfps> it would be nice to have Elisa's methodology on overview vs primer in the minutes
it would be nice to have Elisa's methodology on overview vs primer in the minutes ←
15:28:55 <pfps> Elisa: overview = "fold out" document
Elisa Kendall: overview = "fold out" document ←
15:29:29 <bijan> What?
Bijan Parsia: What? ←
15:29:33 <alanr_> will ask
Alan Ruttenberg: will ask ←
15:29:34 <pfps> Elisa: guide has to have a story
Elisa Kendall: guide has to have a story ←
15:29:38 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
15:29:49 <pfps> Elisa: issues with wine as an example ontology
Elisa Kendall: issues with wine as an example ontology ←
15:30:15 <pfps> Elisa: also guidance on how to do things
Elisa Kendall: also guidance on how to do things ←
15:31:22 <pfps> Pfps: primer has a story
Peter Patel-Schneider: primer has a story ←
15:31:49 <pfps> Elisa: guide also has an application - gives people a feeling of how to use an ontology
Elisa Kendall: guide also has an application - gives people a feeling of how to use an ontology ←
15:31:50 <alanr_> elisa: Some code and suggestions to run themselves as addition to primer
Elisa Kendall: Some code and suggestions to run themselves as addition to primer [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:31:52 <pfps> q-
q- ←
15:32:32 <pfps> Topic: Primer
15:33:11 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
15:33:40 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
15:34:33 <alanr_> Bijan: Detailed comments not necessarily useful here, as this is first draft
Bijan Parsia: Detailed comments not necessarily useful here, as this is first draft [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:34:46 <pfps> Bijan: not interested (right now) in detailed comments
Bijan Parsia: not interested (right now) in detailed comments ←
15:34:49 <alanr_> Bijan: Proposes that overview and guide can be covered by this document
Bijan Parsia: Proposes that overview and guide can be covered by this document [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:34:54 <pfps> Bijan: primer is first draft
Bijan Parsia: primer is first draft ←
15:35:06 <pfps> Bijan: primer is supposed to cover overview and guide
Bijan Parsia: primer is supposed to cover overview and guide ←
15:35:39 <alanr_> Bijan: To the degree that it can cover both overview/guide would like to hear people's comments
Bijan Parsia: To the degree that it can cover both overview/guide would like to hear people's comments [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:36:02 <alanr_> Peter: Direction should be clear. Better direction than guide+overview of old
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Patel-Schneider Peter Haase . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Peter: Direction should be clear. Better direction than guide+overview of old [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:36:52 <bijan> +1 to introduction
Bijan Parsia: +1 to introduction ←
15:36:53 <pfps> Evan: I like primer - it is an introduction
Evan Wallace: I like primer - it is an introduction ←
15:36:54 <alanr_> Evan: Primer is an "introduction"
Evan Wallace: Primer is an "introduction" [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←
15:37:15 <pfps> Evan: fundamental tension between overview and guide - can there be one document
Evan Wallace: fundamental tension between overview and guide - can there be one document ←
15:37:31 <pfps> Evan: we may not need a long guide
Evan Wallace: we may not need a long guide ←
15:37:46 <pfps> Evan: ... what do we want to accomplish with UFD?
Evan Wallace: ... what do we want to accomplish with UFD? ←
15:38:08 <pfps> Evan: I would go for reference and introduction
Evan Wallace: I would go for reference and introduction ←
15:38:25 <pfps> Evan: also use cases - but this is not necessarily UF
Evan Wallace: also use cases - but this is not necessarily UF ←
15:38:49 <bijan> I want to 1) not turn people off OWL, 2) pull people into OWL, 3) leave them unconfused on key point, 4) help them to make sound decisions
Bijan Parsia: I want to 1) not turn people off OWL, 2) pull people into OWL, 3) leave them unconfused on key point, 4) help them to make sound decisions ←
15:38:50 <pfps> Evan: Primer is better introduction than Overview + Guide
Evan Wallace: Primer is better introduction than Overview + Guide ←
15:39:28 <pfps> Alan: to meet charter we need to show that our documents meet the goals
Alan Ruttenberg: to meet charter we need to show that our documents meet the goals ←
15:39:59 <pfps> Bijan: what is needed - better replacements for old docs or meeting the deliverables
Bijan Parsia: what is needed - better replacements for old docs or meeting the deliverables ←
15:40:11 <pfps> Conrad: want intro & reference
Conrad Bock: want intro & reference ←
15:40:23 <pfps> Conrad: also want guide
Conrad Bock: also want guide ←
15:40:38 <pfps> Conrad: upgrading existing makes more sense
Conrad Bock: upgrading existing makes more sense ←
15:41:04 <pfps> Conrad: want to draw in software community into OWL - so emphasize differences
Conrad Bock: want to draw in software community into OWL - so emphasize differences ←
15:41:14 <bijan> +1 to pulling in software folks and making them unerstand how OWL is different
Bijan Parsia: +1 to pulling in software folks and making them unerstand how OWL is different ←
15:41:51 <pfps> Conrad: guide is longer (and reference is also)
Conrad Bock: guide is longer (and reference is also) ←
15:42:40 <pfps> Alan: primer is a slightly longer document
Alan Ruttenberg: primer is a slightly longer document ←
15:43:17 <pfps> Bijan: length per se is not the goal
Bijan Parsia: length per se is not the goal ←
15:43:35 <dlm> possibly consider comprehensive as a replacement for longer
Deborah McGuinness: possibly consider comprehensive as a replacement for longer ←
15:44:48 <pfps> Conrad: different readers - "executives", ... - need different levels of explanation
Conrad Bock: different readers - "executives", ... - need different levels of explanation ←
15:45:00 <alanr_> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:45:07 <dlm> +q
Deborah McGuinness: +q ←
15:45:20 <pfps> Bijan: what about comprehensiveness
Bijan Parsia: what about comprehensiveness ←
15:46:21 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:46:22 <pfps> Deborah: users search in guide for constructors
Deborah McGuinness: users search in guide for constructors ←
15:46:41 <alanr_> ack dlm
Alan Ruttenberg: ack dlm ←
15:46:45 <alanr_> ack bijan
Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←
15:47:00 <pfps> Bijan: users use guide as reference?
Bijan Parsia: users use guide as reference? ←
15:47:05 <alanr_> +1 - sounds like deb description is reference
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 - sounds like deb description is reference ←
15:47:17 <pfps> Bijan: if reference was better organized then it might serve the same purpose
Bijan Parsia: if reference was better organized then it might serve the same purpose ←
15:47:50 <alanr_> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
15:47:58 <pfps> Deborah: users use guide as [cookbook] when they can't hack the references
Deborah McGuinness: users use guide as [cookbook] when they can't hack the references ←
15:48:05 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
15:48:29 <pfps> Deborah: that's why I agree that there is a tension between overview and guide
Deborah McGuinness: that's why I agree that there is a tension between overview and guide ←
15:48:49 <pfps> Deborah: I thought that primer would be comprehensive for constructors
Deborah McGuinness: I thought that primer would be comprehensive for constructors ←
15:48:50 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
15:48:51 <pfps> q+
q+ ←
15:48:59 <alanr_> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
15:49:25 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
15:49:43 <pfps> Alan: comprehensiveness in tension with narrative?
Alan Ruttenberg: comprehensiveness in tension with narrative? ←
15:50:02 <pfps> Ian: only 10 minutes left ...................................................................
Ian Horrocks: only 10 minutes left ................................................................... ←
15:50:28 <pfps> Ian: did Deborah say that Primer could replace Guide
Ian Horrocks: did Deborah say that Primer could replace Guide ←
15:50:34 <alanr_> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:50:40 <alanr_> ack IanH
Alan Ruttenberg: ack IanH ←
15:50:53 <pfps> Deborah: if it was constructor comprehensive
Deborah McGuinness: if it was constructor comprehensive ←
15:51:20 <pfps> Ian: is there an agreement that Primer could replace Guide?
Ian Horrocks: is there an agreement that Primer could replace Guide? ←
15:51:42 <pfps> Deborah: yes - but also think about wine agent
Deborah McGuinness: yes - but also think about wine agent ←
15:51:58 <alanr_> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
15:52:13 <pfps> Conrad: i didn't use guide
Conrad Bock: i didn't use guide ←
15:52:23 <alanr_> q+ alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ alanr ←
15:52:51 <pfps> Bijan: does guide have to be a reference as well?
Bijan Parsia: does guide have to be a reference as well? ←
15:53:21 <pfps> BIjan: let's not end up with more documents (in rec track)
Bijan Parsia: let's not end up with more documents (in rec track) ←
15:53:49 <IanH> That seems reasonable. Where would the primer fit into that?
Ian Horrocks: That seems reasonable. Where would the primer fit into that? ←
15:54:23 <pfps> Peter: primer is already almost constructor comprehensive
Scribe problem: the name 'Peter' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Peter Patel-Schneider Peter Haase . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Peter: primer is already almost constructor comprehensive ←
15:55:25 <dlm> can we also separate this as a potential replacement for the overview?
Deborah McGuinness: can we also separate this as a potential replacement for the overview? ←
15:55:31 <pfps> Alan: Primer can overtake guide if constructor comprehensive
Alan Ruttenberg: Primer can overtake guide if constructor comprehensive ←
15:55:40 <IanH> can try
Ian Horrocks: can try ←
15:56:14 <IanH> Proposal: primer could become a replacement for the guide modulo a few concerns
PROPOSED: primer could become a replacement for the guide modulo a few concerns ←
15:56:18 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
15:56:20 <IanH> zakim, unmute me
Ian Horrocks: zakim, unmute me ←
15:56:20 <Zakim> IanH should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: IanH should no longer be muted ←
15:57:30 <alanr_> Proposal+: Going primer does not yet settle exclusive authorship/editorship
Alan Ruttenberg: Proposal+: Going primer does not yet settle exclusive authorship/editorship ←
15:57:31 <pfps> Alan: hang on please
Alan Ruttenberg: hang on please ←
15:58:34 <bijan> +1
Bijan Parsia: +1 ←
15:58:37 <pfps> two proposals?
two proposals? ←
15:58:44 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
15:58:47 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
15:58:51 <dlm> with the agreement that we are only discussing the guide (and not the overview) +1
Deborah McGuinness: with the agreement that we are only discussing the guide (and not the overview) +1 ←
15:58:58 <pfps> +1
+1 ←
15:59:10 <alanr_> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
15:59:30 <Conrad> 0
Conrad Bock: 0 ←
15:59:43 <alanr_> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
15:59:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Deb, bijan, IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Evan_Wallace, pfps, ??P1, Deb, bijan, IanH ←
15:59:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see dlm, bijan, Zakim, RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see dlm, bijan, Zakim, RRSAgent, Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr_, IanH, jar, sandro, trackbot-ng ←
16:00:50 <pfps> separate mailing lists are against W3C policy, I think
separate mailing lists are against W3C policy, I think ←
16:00:52 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
16:01:04 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
16:01:05 <Zakim> -Deb
Zakim IRC Bot: -Deb ←
16:01:06 <Zakim> -Conrad
Zakim IRC Bot: -Conrad ←
16:01:06 <IanH> bye
Ian Horrocks: bye ←
16:01:11 <Zakim> -IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: -IanH ←
16:01:16 <Zakim> -pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps ←
16:01:33 <alanr_> rrsagent, draft minutes
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html alanr_
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html alanr_ ←
16:01:47 <alanr_> rrsagent, make logs world readable
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make logs world readable ←
16:01:47 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world readable', alanr_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs world readable', alanr_. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
16:01:56 <alanr_> rrsagent, make log world-readable
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make log world-readable ←
16:01:57 <pfps> how do we make the minutes accessible?
how do we make the minutes accessible? ←
16:02:11 <alanr_> I think I just did it. hang on let me check
Alan Ruttenberg: I think I just did it. hang on let me check ←
16:03:13 <alanr_> nope, but might be slow.
Alan Ruttenberg: nope, but might be slow. ←
16:03:28 <alanr_> rrsagent, bookmark
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, bookmark ←
16:03:28 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-irc#T16-03-28
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-irc#T16-03-28 ←
16:03:59 <alanr_> peter, at a minimum, the raw log is visible now
Alan Ruttenberg: peter, at a minimum, the raw log is visible now ←
16:04:11 <alanr_> rrsagent, make minutes world-readable
Alan Ruttenberg: rrsagent, make minutes world-readable ←
16:04:11 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-readable', alanr_. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes world-readable', alanr_. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
16:04:26 <alanr_> erg. I'll figure it out - have to check notes
Alan Ruttenberg: erg. I'll figure it out - have to check notes ←
16:04:42 <alanr_> again, thanks for scribing!
Alan Ruttenberg: again, thanks for scribing! ←
16:05:01 <pfps> rrsagent, create the minutes
rrsagent, create the minutes ←
16:05:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html pfps
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html pfps ←
16:05:10 <Zakim> -??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P1 ←
16:05:11 <Zakim> SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()10:00AM has ended ←
16:05:12 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, Elisa_Kendall, +1.518.608.aabb, IanH, pfps, Conrad, Deb, bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.301.975.aaaa, Evan_Wallace, Elisa_Kendall, +1.518.608.aabb, IanH, pfps, Conrad, Deb, bijan ←
16:05:46 <alanr_> ok, we're good
Alan Ruttenberg: ok, we're good ←
16:06:28 <bijan> sandro, I believe
Bijan Parsia: sandro, I believe ←
16:06:46 <pfps> who bells this cat?
who bells this cat? ←
16:07:53 <sandro> I think you either type them in yourself, or you send me bribes.
Sandro Hawke: I think you either type them in yourself, or you send me bribes. ←
16:08:14 <pfps> from RRSAGENT?
from RRSAGENT? ←
16:08:27 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes ←
16:08:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html sandro
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/01/28-owl-minutes.html sandro ←
16:08:54 <sandro> if you want them converted to wiki format, I need to do some stuff by hand, that's all.
Sandro Hawke: if you want them converted to wiki format, I need to do some stuff by hand, that's all. ←
16:09:06 <Conrad> bye
Conrad Bock: bye ←
16:09:09 <pfps> OK, please do so
OK, please do so ←
16:09:29 <pfps> you can have my eternal gratitude for the next 15 minutes
you can have my eternal gratitude for the next 15 minutes ←
16:09:31 <sandro> Can you enter a clean "Present: ...." line? If you know who was here.....
Sandro Hawke: Can you enter a clean "Present: ...." line? If you know who was here..... ←
16:10:05 <sandro> Can you make me a kayak in 15 minutes?
Sandro Hawke: Can you make me a kayak in 15 minutes? ←
16:12:02 <pfps> I can make you a kayak picture in 15 minutes. :-)
I can make you a kayak picture in 15 minutes. :-) ←
16:12:10 <sandro> sigh.
Sandro Hawke: sigh. ←
16:13:02 <pfps> Present: Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr, IanH, jar, sandro, Deborah
16:13:05 <sandro> what URL for the page?
Sandro Hawke: what URL for the page? ←
16:13:13 <bijan> And me?
Scribe problem: the name 'bijan' does not match any of the 12 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Elisa Kendall Conrad Bock Peter Patel-Schneider Evan Wallace Alan Ruttenberg Ian Horrocks Jonathan Rees Sandro Hawke Deborah McGuinness Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'bijan' does not match any of the 12 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Elisa Kendall Conrad Bock Peter Patel-Schneider Evan Wallace Alan Ruttenberg Ian Horrocks Jonathan Rees Sandro Hawke Deborah McGuinness Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown bijan: And me? ←
16:13:29 <sandro> Present: Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr, IanH, jar, sandro, Deborah, Bijan
16:13:29 <bijan> I was late but present
Bijan Parsia: I was late but present ←
16:13:31 <pfps> Present: Elisa, Conrad, pfps, ewallace, alanr, IanH, jar, sandro, Deborah, bijan
16:14:01 <pfps> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Minutes.2008.01.28
http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Minutes.2008.01.28 ←
16:15:20 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Minutes.2008.01.28 done
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/UFDTF/Minutes.2008.01.28 done ←
16:15:43 <pfps> thanks
thanks ←
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