Meeting Record

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc, I do not see a conference named 'OWL_WG' in progress or scheduled at this time ←

Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, jjc ←

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jjc; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago ←

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Rinke, I do not see a conference named '#owl' in progress or scheduled at this time ←

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be owl". ←

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Rinke; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see IanH (muted), bijan (muted), Rinke, jjc (muted), jar, bmotik (muted), MarkusK (muted), Elisa_Kendall, uli (muted), ??P18, bcuencagrau (muted), pfps (muted), ←

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace, Zhe, Carsten (muted), Sandro, hendler, msmith, DougL ←

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see DougL, hendler, Zhe, Carsten, ewallace, pfps, vojtech, Elisa, alanr, msmith, bcuencagrau, uli, bmotik, MarkusK, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jjc, sandro, Rinke, bijan, ←

Alan Ruttenberg: let's postpone to next week and we have time to make sure presentations are linked right ←

Alan Ruttenberg: ok, please fix this up during the week - I could put presentation pointers in ←

ACTION: alanr will try to get links as best as possible, and to get slides right ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-61 - Will try to get links updated and link slides int [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-01-16]. ←

ACTION: Alan to add test guidelines to working group to agenda for next week ←

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-62 - Add test guidelines to working group to agenda for next week [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2008-01-16]. ←

RESOLVED: all pending review actions on the WIKI are closed [Alan will close] ←

Uli Sattler: working on this, problem is we still are slightly unclear about ←

Bijan Parsia: I'm unclear on where things stand, and there's some related issues - I'd like time to review ←

Bijan Parsia: need to discuss in context of n-ary. Can we discuss with that aproach ←

Unknown jjc: please continue ACTION-48 - I have finally scheduled time to do it ←

Ian Horrocks: set up a page in Wiki, if you see a list that isn't included, add the list to the wiki page, and send the announcement - you can use the standard announce from W3C or something more community relevant ←

Elisa Kendall: I'm also interested in UFDTF, and would like to be included if possible ←

James Hendler: Deb, Vipul, me and a couple of others were also on the list, weren't we? ←

Elisa Kendall: There should be a list in the wiki - Jeremy had chaired a number of calls ←

Peter Patel-Schneider: membership is supposed to be AlanRuttenberg BijanParsia DebMcGuinness EvanWallace JeremyCarroll JimHendler VipulKashyap MartinDzbor Peter F. Patel-Schneider Elisa Kendall ←

Jeremy Carroll: page has list of people, my recollection is we were going to move earlier - but same day (Mon) ←

Alan Ruttenberg: the issue has to make some words w/respect to the relation between DL and Full ←

PROPOSED: close (as RESOLVED) ISSUE-83 (Property Chain Axiom: P1 o P2 => P2 o P1 ) as per email ←

Jeremy Carroll: there may be some issues with the OWL Full 1.1 semantics which might cause us to reopen later ←

Jeremy Carroll: just nervous that OWL Full semantics could mean we change things later ←

Unknown jjc: My assumptions in voting for this, is that an OWL Full semantics will be quite easy to produce for this ←

Ian Horrocks: the email says the WG might or might not give the OWL 1.1 full semantics, so closing text doesn't require this ←

Unknown jjc: I am expecting to make a good effort at an OWL Full semantics and expect that to be adequate for this ←

PROPOSED: close (as POSTPONED) ISSUE-55 (owl:class v. rdfs:class) per email ←

Peter Patel-Schneider: -1 to postpone as I see neither technical nor resource issues to support postponement over resolution ←

Bijan Parsia: +1 but I'll go on record here that I think "POSTPONED" is substantively meaningless; I don't see that a closed issue is "more" closed than a POSTPONED; but if people feel better with "POSTPONED" I don't care as long as it *is* meaningless ←

I can't live with what Bijan said, but since it just his opinion and not part of the record... ←

Alan Ruttenberg: Following a discussion with Ian, in which we acknowledge Peter's ←

Alan Ruttenberg: comment below and subsequent discussion on the mailing list, and ←

Alan Ruttenberg: Jim's desire to postpone this issue, Ian and I propose that we close ←

Sandro Hawke: (I am very confused -- I thought -1 was a formal objection. But this doesn't seem like the issue on which to get into that.) ←

Alan Ruttenberg: several issues have come up linked together with respect to punning - esp around cardinality restrictions ←

Alan Ruttenberg: so some people said maybe we should drop this kind of punning ←

Boris Motik: note that IMO this issue is not just about datatypes, but is general to our approach to typing (cf emails on Dec 15 2007) ←

Alan Ruttenberg: as I understand it - there's a relation between vocabulary for easy local typing, as opposed to just the punning ←

Alan Ruttenberg: (notes Jon Reese is sitting in on this portion of the call) ←

Bijan Parsia: describes issue w/respect to a restriction - how do I know if this is being used as a data or object type ←

Zakim IRC Bot: JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bijan (99%), jar (10%), Sandro (11%), hendler (35%) ←

alan and ian and peter send time discussing how long to discuss the issue instead of discussing it ←

Boris Motik: I believe it is slightly misleading to say this is just ISSUE-65 - this comes up a lot ←

Boris Motik: our general approach to typing things in ontologies is complex w/respect to a number of issues (parsing RDF, punning, etc.) ←

Unknown note: The intention was to discuss the punning issue here, with 65 as support. I would drop 65 as rationale in order to keep on topic [ Scribe Assist by Alan Ruttenberg ] ←

Alan Ruttenberg: I meant primarily to discuss the particular punning issues, so maybe identifying 65 was the issue... I think there are specific problems w/this kind of punning ←

Alan Ruttenberg: we didn't take annotations out. We took out annotation properties ←

Bijan Parsia: one reason we introduced punning was to let more OWL RDF graphs be in DL - punning made some of this easy ←

... this way, more things out in the word would not have to worry about DL vs. Full issues ←

Boris Motik: Bijan, even without punning, in OWL 1.0 DL we'd have problems releted to parsing RDF and declarations, particularly when you also have imports ←

... there are ways we can look at this - things are either always one or the other, or things could be typed, or (etc) ←

... so the problem is we fix the problem (of rejecting graphs) by coming up wth a solution that also rejects graphs (as it were) ←

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to note alternative design on typing triples/declarations ←

Jeremy Carroll: thanks Bijan, that was helpful - my thought is perhaps we could come up with a different way to handle typing triples ←

Jeremy Carroll: it may be possible to have SHOULD force statements to put typing triples early, to make DL parsing of RDF/XML easier [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

Alan Ruttenberg: question - to take "second half of this" (not typing issue) - i.e. we would like for the Web architecture for instance names to mean different things in different contexts ←

Jeremy Carroll: this could be done perhaps with putting the typing triples in a separate file that is imported first [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ] ←

Alan Ruttenberg: so what about cardinality of ... (scribe gets totally lost - hopes Alan will help) ←

Alan Ruttenberg: cardinality 3 data, cardinality 4 object. When this "means" the same property is the cardinality of that 3, 4 or 7? ←

Bijan Parsia: Alan, I think that doesn't happen - untyped quantifiers (somevaluesfrom) and a couple of constructs... (and then bijan loses scribe)... ←

Bijan Parsia: problem is when we cannot know what they are - it's lack of information, not too much, that causes the problem ←

19:10:58 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:11:05 <IanH> ack bijan

Ian Horrocks: ack bijan ←

19:11:36 <hendler> hendler: thinks if we can find way to make this "optional" as opposed to required it would make a lot of OWL/RDF graphs be in OWL DL -- this vocabulary hurts this

James Hendler: thinks if we can find way to make this "optional" as opposed to required it would make a lot of OWL/RDF graphs be in OWL DL -- this vocabulary hurts this ←

19:12:05 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:12:08 <alanr> q+ to ask whether we want data/object property punning because we *can*, or whether we think it will be useful and asked for by the community

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to ask whether we want data/object property punning because we *can*, or whether we think it will be useful and asked for by the community ←

19:12:10 <hendler> bijan: so maybe we could add this as a way to do things, and maybe in some "how to handle RDF graphs" (which may be slightly heuristic) we could suggest how to fix these things

Bijan Parsia: so maybe we could add this as a way to do things, and maybe in some "how to handle RDF graphs" (which may be slightly heuristic) we could suggest how to fix these things ←

19:12:28 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+ ←

19:12:30 <hendler> bijan: essentially defaults that would help with the coercion

Bijan Parsia: essentially defaults that would help with the coercion ←

19:12:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←

19:12:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←

19:13:22 <hendler> ian: global issue - I think we're going to need an email discussion on this, so maybe someone should lead email discussion on this following on from Boris' email?

Ian Horrocks: global issue - I think we're going to need an email discussion on this, so maybe someone should lead email discussion on this following on from Boris' email? ←

19:13:30 <jjc> q= to comment on e-mail discussion

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: q= to comment on e-mail discussion ←

19:13:38 <jjc> q+ to comment on e-mail discussion

Unknown jjc: q+ to comment on e-mail discussion ←

19:13:40 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:14:08 <IanH> ack alanr

Ian Horrocks: ack alanr ←

19:14:08 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to ask whether we want data/object property punning because we *can*, or whether we think it will be useful and asked for by the community

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to ask whether we want data/object property punning because we *can*, or whether we think it will be useful and asked for by the community ←

19:14:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:14:28 <hendler> alan: I find this discussion helpful, glad we had it, but -- is this a case of us doing something because technology says we can, or is this something somebody has asked for -- do we have use cases?

Alan Ruttenberg: I find this discussion helpful, glad we had it, but -- is this a case of us doing something because technology says we can, or is this something somebody has asked for -- do we have use cases? ←

19:14:45 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←

19:14:45 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←

19:14:50 <hendler> alan: if this adds complexity, and isn't called for, maybe we should consider whether it is worth the trouble and potential incompatibilities

Alan Ruttenberg: if this adds complexity, and isn't called for, maybe we should consider whether it is worth the trouble and potential incompatibilities ←

19:15:25 <hendler> boris: I don't know whether people have asked for this explicitly, but it did come up in annotation discussion - punning helps

Boris Motik: I don't know whether people have asked for this explicitly, but it did come up in annotation discussion - punning helps ←

19:15:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:15:39 <IanH> ack bmotik

Ian Horrocks: ack bmotik ←

19:15:42 <hendler> ... when URI is used two ways --- but the question is "does this add complexity to the spec"?

... when URI is used two ways --- but the question is "does this add complexity to the spec"? ←

19:15:59 <hendler> ... I mean we do already have this split.

... I mean we do already have this split. ←

19:16:06 <jjc> ack me

Unknown jjc: ack me ←

19:16:06 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to comment on e-mail discussion

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to comment on e-mail discussion ←

19:16:07 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←

19:16:08 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←

19:16:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:16:41 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ ←

19:16:49 <hendler> jeremy: moving things to email is not always useful - but chairs focusing some issues to the email does help -

Jeremy Carroll: moving things to email is not always useful - but chairs focusing some issues to the email does help - ←

19:16:52 <hendler> ian: good idea

Ian Horrocks: good idea ←

19:16:53 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

19:16:53 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

19:16:59 <hendler> ian: let's focus on this issue for this week

Ian Horrocks: let's focus on this issue for this week ←

19:17:14 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q? ←

19:17:19 <IanH> ack pfps

Ian Horrocks: ack pfps ←

19:17:35 <hendler> pfps: I agree w/Jeremy, but if we're going to do this sort of thing, we need more lead time -- Ian: I agree

Peter Patel-Schneider: I agree w/Jeremy, but if we're going to do this sort of thing, we need more lead time -- Ian: I agree ←

19:17:59 <jjc> +1 to peter: the chairs should give a call-to-discuss an issue shortly after telecon

Unknown jjc: +1 to peter: the chairs should give a call-to-discuss an issue shortly after telecon ←

19:18:00 <ewallace> +1 on Peter's proposed schedule for email issue focus

Evan Wallace: +1 on Peter's proposed schedule for email issue focus ←

19:18:09 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←

19:18:09 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←

19:18:15 <jjc> zakim, mute me

Unknown jjc: zakim, mute me ←

19:18:15 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted ←

19:18:23 <hendler> perhaps the wiki irc agent could have some way we could note - discussions to be moved to email - so that people could more easily see those in the logs

perhaps the wiki irc agent could have some way we could note - discussions to be moved to email - so that people could more easily see those in the logs ←

19:18:58 <hendler> ian: back to alan

Ian Horrocks: back to alan ←

19:19:15 <jjc> suggested action ian to modify WG process to include 'issues to discuss this week'

Unknown jjc: suggested action ian to modify WG process to include 'issues to discuss this week' ←

19:19:16 <hendler> TOPIC: raised issue

7. raised issue

19:19:50 <hendler> issue92

ISSUE-92 ←

19:20:00 <bmotik> +1 to take up the issue

Boris Motik: +1 to take up the issue ←

19:20:16 <Rinke> +1

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 ←

19:20:22 <pfps> +1 this issue already has a "resolution-in-waiting"

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 this issue already has a "resolution-in-waiting" ←

19:20:25 <hendler> +1 to take up this issue (and the realated issues Rinke brought up w/other owl ontology declaration vocabularies)

+1 to take up this issue (and the realated issues Rinke brought up w/other owl ontology declaration vocabularies) ←

19:20:41 <hendler> alan: issue92 is opened for discussion

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-92 is opened for discussion ←

19:20:53 <hendler> TOPIC: issue 29 and issue 74

8. ISSUE-29 and ISSUE-74

19:21:01 <alanr> bijan are you there?

Alan Ruttenberg: bijan are you there? ←

19:21:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

19:21:04 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←

19:21:30 <msmith> q+ to ask why discussed together

Michael Smith: q+ to ask why discussed together ←

19:21:38 <IanH> mike smith might be the right person

Ian Horrocks: mike smith might be the right person ←

19:21:47 <alanr> ack msmith

Alan Ruttenberg: ack msmith ←

19:21:47 <Zakim> msmith, you wanted to ask why discussed together

Zakim IRC Bot: msmith, you wanted to ask why discussed together ←

19:21:57 <hendler> mike: I don't think this issues are the same

Michael Smith: I don't think this issues are the same ←

19:22:15 <hendler> mike: they were split into two issues because they weren't really related.

Michael Smith: they were split into two issues because they weren't really related. ←

19:22:18 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

19:22:18 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←

19:22:41 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

19:22:54 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

19:22:55 <hendler> mike: on issue 74, I sent some email

Michael Smith: on ISSUE-74, I sent some email ←

19:22:56 <jjc> I care but have forgotten

Unknown jjc: I care but have forgotten ←

19:23:03 <hendler> mike: not clear if anyone cares

Michael Smith: not clear if anyone cares ←

19:23:07 <pfps> In some sense,  I don't care, as this is all RDF-compatability stuff.

Peter Patel-Schneider: In some sense, I don't care, as this is all RDF-compatability stuff. ←

19:23:16 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+ ←

19:23:19 <jjc> it's important to me that we don't step on XS WG's toes

Unknown jjc: it's important to me that we don't step on XS WG's toes ←

19:23:25 <alanr> ack ianh

Alan Ruttenberg: ack ianh ←

19:23:25 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+ ←

19:23:53 <hendler> ian: suggest in line w/previous discussion, it might be case that we suggest this as mailing list point

Ian Horrocks: suggest in line w/previous discussion, it might be case that we suggest this as mailing list point ←

19:24:02 <hendler> ian: we could revisit next week

Ian Horrocks: we could revisit next week ←

19:24:40 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←

19:24:40 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan was not muted, bijan ←

19:24:47 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←

19:24:50 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan ←

19:24:59 <msmith> hendler, there is not an email linked from you at the issue

Michael Smith: hendler, there is not an email linked from you at the issue ←

19:25:09 <msmith> q+ on the XML Schema WG

Michael Smith: q+ on the XML Schema WG ←

19:25:13 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+ ←

19:25:18 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←

19:25:18 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←

19:25:19 <msmith> q+ on XS WG

Michael Smith: q+ on XS WG ←

19:25:25 <hendler> bijan: I thought this included interaction w/XS WG

Bijan Parsia: I thought this included interaction w/XS WG ←

19:25:32 <msmith> q-

Michael Smith: q- ←

19:25:40 <hendler> pfps: I sent an email, was told it is under "heated" discussion

Peter Patel-Schneider: I sent an email, was told it is under "heated" discussion ←

19:26:44 <uli> q+

Uli Sattler: q+ ←

19:26:48 <jjc> q+

Unknown jjc: q+ ←

19:26:57 <msmith> +1 to require someone to advocate for the change

Michael Smith: +1 to require someone to advocate for the change ←

19:26:58 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q- ←

19:26:59 <hendler> pfps: drop me

Peter Patel-Schneider: drop me ←

19:27:18 <jjc> ack me

Unknown jjc: ack me ←

19:27:31 <hendler> uli: I don't want to drop this, because I agree with Bijan it would be nice if we could just use xsd: - so why should we not wait and see?

Uli Sattler: I don't want to drop this, because I agree with Bijan it would be nice if we could just use xsd: - so why should we not wait and see? ←

19:27:34 <JeffP> +1 bijan and uli

Jeff Pan: +1 bijan and uli ←

19:28:03 <hendler> jjc: procedurally, I suggest we write it into our spec and ask them to review it

Unknown jjc: procedurally, I suggest we write it into our spec and ask them to review it ←

19:28:04 <pfps> +1 it seems to me that the XML Schema specs allow the usage we want

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 it seems to me that the XML Schema specs allow the usage we want ←

19:28:37 <ewallace> +1 to "just making the change"

Evan Wallace: +1 to "just making the change" ←

19:28:39 <hendler> bijan: advocate we close this making the change, and reopen if we discover an issue

Bijan Parsia: advocate we close this making the change, and reopen if we discover an issue ←

19:29:05 <pfps> the proposal is part of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jan/0017.html

Peter Patel-Schneider: the proposal is part of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Jan/0017.html ←

19:29:30 <jjc> ACTION: jeremy to write a proposal to close issue-74 XSD URIs for facets

ACTION: jeremy to write a proposal to close ISSUE-74 XSD URIs for facets ←

19:29:30 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-63 - Write a proposal to close issue-74 XSD URIs for facets [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-01-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Write a proposal to close ISSUE-74 XSD URIs for facets [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-01-16]. ←

19:29:32 <msmith> ACTION: bijan to draft proposal to close ISSUE-29

ACTION: bijan to draft proposal to close ISSUE-29 ←

19:29:32 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-64 - Draft proposal to close ISSUE-29 [on Bijan Parsia - due 2008-01-16].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-64 - Draft proposal to close ISSUE-29 [on Bijan Parsia - due 2008-01-16]. ←

19:29:41 <hendler> thanks mike!

thanks mike! ←

19:30:18 <pfps> bye

Peter Patel-Schneider: bye ←

19:30:21 <uli> bye bye

Uli Sattler: bye bye ←

19:30:21 <bcuencagrau> bye

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: bye ←

19:30:21 <Zakim> -DougL

Zakim IRC Bot: -DougL ←

19:30:21 <JeffP> bye

Jeff Pan: bye ←

19:30:21 <jjc> bye

Unknown jjc: bye ←

19:30:22 <Rinke> bye

Rinke Hoekstra: bye ←

19:30:22 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←

19:30:24 <hendler> alan: propose to adjourn

Alan Ruttenberg: propose to adjourn ←

19:30:24 <MarkusK> bye

Markus Krötzsch: bye ←

19:30:24 <bmotik> bye

Boris Motik: bye ←

19:30:24 <Zakim> -Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: -Zhe ←

19:30:25 <Zakim> -msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -msmith ←

19:30:26 <Zakim> -jjc

Zakim IRC Bot: -jjc ←

19:30:27 <hendler> ADJOURNED

ADJOURNED ←

19:30:27 <Zakim> -jar

Scribe problem: the name 'jar' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -jar ←

19:30:28 <Zakim> -uli

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19:30:29 <Zakim> -Carsten

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19:31:12 <Zakim> Attendees were +8652aaaa, bijan, IanH, Rinke, jar, jjc, bmotik, MarkusK, +018652aabb, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, Carsten, bcuencagrau, pfps, Sandro, +1.518.698.aadd, uli,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +8652aaaa, bijan, IanH, Rinke, jar, jjc, bmotik, MarkusK, +018652aabb, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, Carsten, bcuencagrau, pfps, Sandro, +1.518.698.aadd, uli, ←

19:31:15 <Zakim> ... hendler, msmith, DougL, Vojtech,, JeffP

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19:37:32 <sandro> Present: bijan, IanH, Rinke, jar, jjc, bmotik, MarkusK, Elisa_Kendall, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, Carsten, bcuencagrau, pfps, Sandro, uli, hendler, msmith, DougL, Vojtech, JeffP

Scribe problem: the name 'jar' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 09 January 2008

1. role call and background

2. working drafts are out, Alan thanks everyone

3. Action Review

4. FPWDs should be announced wdely

5. issue proposals

6. Should we keep or abandon data/object property punning

7. raised issue

8. ISSUE-29 and ISSUE-74