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OWL Working Group

Minutes of 19 December 2007

Present
Bijan Parsia, Rinke Hoekstra, Boris Motik, Ian Horrocks, Alan Ruttenberg, Ivan Herman, Peter Patel-Schneider, Elisa Kendall, Sandro Hawke, Evan Wallace, Zhe Wu, Evren Sirin, Bernardo Cuenca Grau, Jeremy Carroll, Markus Krötzsch, Unknown carsten, Jeff Pan
Scribe
Evren Sirin
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept Previous Minutes link
Topics

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17:52:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-owl-irc

17:54:30 <bijan> zakim, this is owl

Bijan Parsia: zakim, this is owl

17:54:30 <Zakim> ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM

17:54:31 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

17:54:42 <bijan> zakim, ??P2 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P2 is me

17:54:42 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it

17:54:48 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:54:48 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, muting is not permitted when only one person is present

17:55:39 <Zakim> + +1.312.052.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.052.aaaa

17:55:51 <Rinke> zakim, 1.312.052.aaaa is me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, 1.312.052.aaaa is me

17:55:51 <Zakim> sorry, Rinke, I do not recognize a party named '1.312.052.aaaa'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Rinke, I do not recognize a party named '1.312.052.aaaa'

17:56:02 <Zakim> +??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4

17:56:12 <Rinke> zakim, aaaa is me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, aaaa is me

17:56:12 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it

17:56:12 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P4 is me

Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P4 is me

17:56:13 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

17:56:19 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:56:19 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:56:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:56:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:56:22 <Rinke> zakim, mute me

Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me

17:56:24 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted

17:56:52 <bmotik> It is eerily silent on the line

Boris Motik: It is eerily silent on the line

17:57:52 <bmotik> Bijan, how did you type your last comment into the IRC?

Boris Motik: Bijan, how did you type your last comment into the IRC?

17:58:09 <bmotik> I see that it is diffrent, but I don't understand what the difference is

Boris Motik: I see that it is diffrent, but I don't understand what the difference is

17:58:15 <Zakim> +IanH

Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH

17:58:49 <bmotik> And this is then not in the log, or?

Boris Motik: And this is then not in the log, or?

17:58:55 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aabb

17:59:03 <alanr> zakim, aabb is me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aabb is me

17:59:03 <Zakim> +alanr; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it

17:59:06 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip

Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip

17:59:06 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made

17:59:08 <Zakim> +Ivan

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan

17:59:33 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

17:59:42 <pfps> zakim, ??p11 is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p11 is me

17:59:42 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

17:59:44 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall

17:59:47 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:59:47 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

18:00:24 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

18:00:31 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

18:00:34 <Zakim> +Zhe

Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe

18:00:49 <alanr> bernardo, can you scribe?

Alan Ruttenberg: bernardo, can you scribe?

18:01:29 <Zakim> +msmith

Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith

18:01:39 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:01:39 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:01:46 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

18:02:19 <evrensirin> zakim, msmith is temporarily evrensirin

Evren Sirin: zakim, msmith is temporarily evrensirin

18:02:19 <Zakim> +evrensirin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +evrensirin; got it

18:02:32 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

18:02:44 <bcuencag> zakim,??P17 is me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim,??P17 is me

18:02:44 <Zakim> +bcuencag; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencag; got it

18:03:07 <Zakim> +??P19

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19

18:03:12 <bijan> zakim, msmith is evrensirin

Bijan Parsia: zakim, msmith is evrensirin

18:03:12 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'msmith'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'msmith'

18:03:31 <ivan> zakim, who is here?

Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here?

18:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK

18:03:32 <alanr> evren is scribe?

Alan Ruttenberg: evren is scribe?

18:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:03:46 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:03:46 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:04:20 <ewallace> Evrin: Can you scribe?

Scribe problem: the name 'Evrin' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Evrin: Can you scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ]

18:04:46 <sandro> scribenick: evrensirin

(Scribe set to Evren Sirin)

18:04:53 <alanr> zakim, who is here?

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here?

18:04:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik (muted), IanH (muted), alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik (muted), IanH (muted), alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy

18:04:57 <Zakim> ... (muted), MarkusK (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), MarkusK (muted)

18:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Carsten, sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Carsten, sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng

18:04:59 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

18:04:59 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

18:05:16 <sandro> evrensirin, the main thing is to record more-or-less what people say as     nickname: what they say

Sandro Hawke: evrensirin, the main thing is to record more-or-less what people say as nickname: what they say

18:05:33 <Zakim> +??P20

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20

18:05:35 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

18:05:35 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

18:05:44 <evrensirin> sandro, ok

sandro, ok

18:05:46 <Carsten> zakim, p20 is carsten

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, p20 is carsten

18:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p20'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p20'

18:05:53 <alanr> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes

18:05:56 <Carsten> zakim, P20 is Carsten

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, P20 is Carsten

18:05:56 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'

18:05:58 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.12.12/Minutes

Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.12.12/Minutes

18:05:59 <ivan> zakim, ??P20 is carsten

Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P20 is carsten

18:05:59 <Zakim> +carsten; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +carsten; got it

18:06:05 <Carsten> thanks, ivan

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: thanks, ivan

18:06:10 <Carsten> zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me

18:06:10 <Zakim> carsten should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: carsten should now be muted

18:06:24 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me

18:06:24 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted

18:06:25 <alanr> Resolved: Accept Previous Minutes

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes

18:06:34 <bmotik> They did

Boris Motik: They did

18:06:44 <bmotik> Ian added them

Boris Motik: Ian added them

18:07:46 <Zakim> +??P22

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22

18:07:53 <JeffP> zakim, P22 is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, P22 is me

18:07:53 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'

18:08:02 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

18:08:02 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

18:08:06 <JeffP> zakim, ?P22 is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, ?P22 is me

18:08:06 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'

18:08:20 <JeffP> zakim, +??P22 is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, +??P22 is me

18:08:20 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'

18:08:31 <pfps> yes, I'm waiting for Sandro to push the button

Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, I'm waiting for Sandro to push the button

18:08:36 <bijan> zakim, ??P22 is JeffP

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P22 is JeffP

18:08:36 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it

18:08:49 <JeffP> bijan, thx

Jeff Pan: bijan, thx

18:09:21 <bijan> So this means no publication until after Jan 2 (/me notes)

Bijan Parsia: So this means no publication until after Jan 2 (/me notes)

18:09:49 <bijan> No I mean that the publication moratoriam; it ends on Jan 2

Bijan Parsia: No I mean that the publication moratoriam; it ends on Jan 2

18:11:14 <evrensirin> alanr: action 4, are we using redirects?

Alan Ruttenberg: ACTION-4, are we using redirects?

18:11:33 <evrensirin> sandro: we can cancel the action

Sandro Hawke: we can cancel the action

18:11:53 <pfps> there are *still* people who haven't signed on to the wiki

Peter Patel-Schneider: there are *still* people who haven't signed on to the wiki

18:11:57 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:11:57 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:12:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:12:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:12:44 <evrensirin> ian: there are still people without wiki accounts

Ian Horrocks: there are still people without wiki accounts

18:12:59 <ivan> scribenick: evrensirin
18:13:01 <pfps> just a comment

Peter Patel-Schneider: just a comment

18:13:10 <bijan> How do people scribe if they don't have accounts?

Bijan Parsia: How do people scribe if they don't have accounts?

18:13:27 <bijan> So that's a forcing function

Bijan Parsia: So that's a forcing function

18:13:58 <MarkusK> A simple captcha can prevent spam. There are simple solutions to that.

Markus Krötzsch: A simple captcha can prevent spam. There are simple solutions to that.

18:14:26 <jeremy> (note steve battle is HP's alternate, and so far has not done anything, other than attend F2F because of HP's internal decisions about representation etc.)

Jeremy Carroll: (note steve battle is HP's alternate, and so far has not done anything, other than attend F2F because of HP's internal decisions about representation etc.)

18:14:36 <jeremy> (note steve does not have an account)

Jeremy Carroll: (note steve does not have an account)

18:14:48 <sandro> MarkusK, captcha's don't prevent spam -- we get spam from real humans.

Sandro Hawke: MarkusK, captcha's don't prevent spam -- we get spam from real humans.

18:15:10 <evrensirin> alanr: update the deadline for action 23

Alan Ruttenberg: update the deadline for ACTION-23

18:15:10 <MarkusK> OK, human spam is of course different.

Markus Krötzsch: OK, human spam is of course different.

18:15:35 <evrensirin> alanr: mid-january for action 23

Alan Ruttenberg: mid-january for ACTION-23

18:16:10 <IanH> Is it just me or is Alan a very long way away?

Ian Horrocks: Is it just me or is Alan a very long way away?

18:16:12 <pfps> I don't remember anything related to that issue at the F2F.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't remember anything related to that issue at the F2F.

18:16:15 <pfps> Huh?

Peter Patel-Schneider: Huh?

18:16:18 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:16:26 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:16:26 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:16:28 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:16:34 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan

18:16:38 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

18:16:38 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

18:16:47 <jeremy> I Bthink this action should continue

Jeremy Carroll: I Bthink this action should continue

18:17:06 <evrensirin> alanr: do we want punning on object and datatype properties?

Alan Ruttenberg: do we want punning on object and datatype properties?

18:17:10 <evrensirin> bijan: does it matter?

Bijan Parsia: does it matter?

18:17:25 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me

18:17:25 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

18:17:26 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

18:17:30 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:17:30 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:17:33 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:17:34 <ewallace> jeremy received this action at the FTF

Evan Wallace: jeremy received this action at the FTF

18:17:36 <evrensirin> alanr: describe the problem in detail

Alan Ruttenberg: describe the problem in detail

18:18:40 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me

18:18:40 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

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18:18:42 <IanH> There is no call next week!

Ian Horrocks: There is no call next week!

18:19:04 <bijan> Yes

Bijan Parsia: Yes

18:19:05 <pfps> zakim, mute me

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18:19:09 <evrensirin> alanr: update the deadline for action 48

Alan Ruttenberg: update the deadline for ACTION-48

18:19:43 <bijan> I recall asking for a grammar

Bijan Parsia: I recall asking for a grammar

18:19:52 <evrensirin> ian: zhe will write OWLPrime spec in a similar format to others

Ian Horrocks: zhe will write OWLPrime spec in a similar format to others

18:20:32 <evrensirin> zhe: trying to figure out if RDFS 3.0 vocabulary can be mapped to DL-Lite or EL++

Zhe Wu: trying to figure out if RDFS 3.0 vocabulary can be mapped to DL-Lite or EL++

18:21:09 <evrensirin> zhe: summary could be in wiki in January

Zhe Wu: summary could be in wiki in January

18:21:34 <evrensirin> zhe: update deadline for action 54

Zhe Wu: update deadline for ACTION-54

18:21:50 <pfps> I don't want a meeting in any case

Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't want a meeting in any case

18:22:12 <bijan> Uli is out sick

Bijan Parsia: Uli is out sick

18:22:44 <evrensirin> alanr: continue Uli's actions 55 and 56

Alan Ruttenberg: continue Uli's actions 55 and 56

18:23:01 <evrensirin> ian: there were pending review items

Ian Horrocks: there were pending review items

18:23:28 <bcuencagrau> zakim, mute me

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18:23:40 <evrensirin> ian: pending means people want confirmation that it is finished

Ian Horrocks: pending means people want confirmation that it is finished

18:23:51 <bcuencagrau> zakim, ??P17 is me

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18:23:51 <Zakim> I already had ??P17 as bcuencag, bcuencagrau

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18:24:40 <bijan> I was confused by that as there were extant imports proposals (e.g., from my email from before the f2f)

Bijan Parsia: I was confused by that as there were extant imports proposals (e.g., from my email from before the f2f)

18:25:07 <evrensirin> alanr: accept action 36, 40, 41 as closed

Alan Ruttenberg: accept ACTION-36, 40, 41 as closed

18:26:02 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

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18:26:42 <bijan> OWL 1.1 uses constants to describe atomic values, such as strings or integers. These are encoded as in the Turtle specification[TURTLE].

Bijan Parsia: OWL 1.1 uses constants to describe atomic values, such as strings or integers. These are encoded as in the Turtle specification[TURTLE].

18:26:43 <bijan> constant:= the same as the literal production in the Turtle specification [TURTLE]

Bijan Parsia: constant:= the same as the literal production in the Turtle specification [TURTLE]

18:26:52 <bijan> (from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax )

Bijan Parsia: (from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax )

18:27:27 <bijan> This maybe: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2108&oldid=2107

Bijan Parsia: This maybe: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2108&oldid=2107

18:27:28 <evrensirin> alanr: can you put the revision of wiki page regarding action 57

Alan Ruttenberg: can you put the revision of wiki page regarding ACTION-57

18:28:18 <evrensirin> alanr: there should be a note in the tracker about the action

Alan Ruttenberg: there should be a note in the tracker about the action

18:28:42 <bijan> This might be a better one: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2107&oldid=2103

Bijan Parsia: This might be a better one: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2107&oldid=2103

18:28:52 <jeremy> For clairfication: this was about actions not issues?

Jeremy Carroll: For clairfication: this was about actions not issues?

18:28:59 <evrensirin> alanr: goal is for someone to understand what the action is and how it was resolved

Alan Ruttenberg: goal is for someone to understand what the action is and how it was resolved

18:29:04 <evrensirin> alanr: people can review easily

Alan Ruttenberg: people can review easily

18:29:31 <evrensirin> alanr: pending review actions completed

Alan Ruttenberg: pending review actions completed

18:29:46 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:29:46 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

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18:29:51 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

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18:30:04 <evrensirin> pfps: put a link to wiki

Peter Patel-Schneider: put a link to wiki

18:30:20 <evrensirin> pfps: location is Gaithersburg, MD

Peter Patel-Schneider: location is Gaithersburg, MD

18:30:48 <evrensirin> alanr: personally encourage people to attend OWLED

Alan Ruttenberg: personally encourage people to attend OWLED

18:30:55 <pfps> zakim, mute me

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18:31:19 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me

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18:31:28 <evrensirin> alanr: establish RDF mapping task force

Alan Ruttenberg: establish RDF mapping task force

18:31:30 <IanH> plus Jeremy

Ian Horrocks: plus Jeremy

18:32:53 <IanH> Jeremy, Peter, Johnathan, Ian, Alan, Boris

Ian Horrocks: Jeremy, Peter, Johnathan, Ian, Alan, Boris

18:33:18 <evrensirin> task force will create a wiki page

task force will create a wiki page

18:33:28 <evrensirin> address open issues regarding RDF mapping

address open issues regarding RDF mapping

18:33:33 <evrensirin> ensure backward compatibility

ensure backward compatibility

18:33:33 <jeremy> q+ to ask about Jonathan

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about Jonathan

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18:33:42 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:33:47 <ivan> ack jeremy

Ivan Herman: ack jeremy

18:33:47 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about Jonathan

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18:34:12 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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18:34:15 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:34:32 <evrensirin> alanr: let's discuss imports

Alan Ruttenberg: let's discuss imports

18:34:34 <jeremy> jeremy: is Jonathan a WG participant

Jeremy Carroll: is Jonathan a WG participant [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:34:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

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18:34:40 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports

Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports

18:34:43 <jeremy> alanr: he is in process of joining

Alan Ruttenberg: he is in process of joining [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:35:08 <bijan> The email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Dec/0183.html

Bijan Parsia: The email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Dec/0183.html

18:35:26 <evrensirin> boris: imports are by ontology URI but physical URI may be different

Boris Motik: imports are by ontology URI but physical URI may be different

18:35:29 <bijan> BTW, I don't understand the comment "Bijan, I believe you were supposed to put this somewhere on the Web page, right?"

Bijan Parsia: BTW, I don't understand the comment "Bijan, I believe you were supposed to put this somewhere on the Web page, right?"

18:36:07 <evrensirin> boris: propose to have oracles to map ontology URIs to physical URIs

Boris Motik: propose to have oracles to map ontology URIs to physical URIs

18:36:31 <evrensirin> boris: a file based oracle plus hints in the imports

Boris Motik: a file based oracle plus hints in the imports

18:36:35 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:36:36 <jeremy> q+ to ask about interoperability benefits?

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about interoperability benefits?

18:36:36 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

18:36:42 <bijan> zakim, ack

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ack

18:36:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ack', bijan

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18:36:43 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan

18:36:43 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

18:36:48 <evrensirin> boris: if all else fails try ontology URI

Boris Motik: if all else fails try ontology URI

18:36:55 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:37:18 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:37:26 <evrensirin> bijan: XML catalog has similar mechanism

Bijan Parsia: XML catalog has similar mechanism

18:37:35 <jeremy> ack jeremy

Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy

18:37:36 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about interoperability benefits?

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18:37:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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18:37:36 <ivan> ack jeremy

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18:37:38 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

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18:37:43 <evrensirin> bijan: Protege and TBC has similar mechanisms

Bijan Parsia: Protege and TBC has similar mechanisms

18:37:58 <alanr> +1 for specification

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 for specification

18:38:02 <bmotik> Can I answer this please?

Boris Motik: Can I answer this please?

18:38:07 <evrensirin> jeremy: do we need to specify the mechanism for interoperability?

Jeremy Carroll: do we need to specify the mechanism for interoperability?

18:38:08 <alanr> q+ to explain versioning use case

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to explain versioning use case

18:38:29 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:38:30 <Rinke> Topbraid uses the xml:base instead of an ontology uri to resolve imports to local files

Rinke Hoekstra: Topbraid uses the xml:base instead of an ontology uri to resolve imports to local files

18:38:34 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

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18:38:49 <jeremy> yes

Jeremy Carroll: yes

18:38:55 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:38:59 <pfps> I concur with Jeremy

Peter Patel-Schneider: I concur with Jeremy

18:38:59 <ivan> ack sandro

Ivan Herman: ack sandro

18:39:00 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:39:04 <jeremy> jeremy: why does boris's proprosal benefit interoperability?

Jeremy Carroll: why does boris's proprosal benefit interoperability? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:39:19 <jeremy> jeremy: all the tools have this sort of caching mechanism, of course.

Jeremy Carroll: all the tools have this sort of caching mechanism, of course. [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:39:45 <jeremy> jeremy: but for interop we should specify the Web as where your documents are stored

Jeremy Carroll: but for interop we should specify the Web as where your documents are stored [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:39:47 <alanr> +1 to sandro - web uber alle

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to sandro - web über alles

18:39:57 <ivan> s/alle/alles/
18:40:00 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:40:23 <jeremy> jeremy: and it is a tool matter how caching, temporary copies etc. etc.

Jeremy Carroll: and it is a tool matter how caching, temporary copies etc. etc. [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:40:25 <Rinke> s/uber/über/
18:40:29 <jeremy> -1 to sandro

Jeremy Carroll: -1 to sandro

18:40:36 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

18:40:43 <sandro> sandro: I'd be much more comfortable with this mechanism if it were sold as "here's a manual override" if you really need it.

Sandro Hawke: I'd be much more comfortable with this mechanism if it were sold as "here's a manual override" if you really need it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:40:47 <evrensirin> sandro: we should first try ontology URI then manual override

Sandro Hawke: we should first try ontology URI then manual override

18:40:48 <jeremy> q+ to argue against sandro for first web then fallback

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to argue against sandro for first web then fallback

18:40:57 <bijan> Does this include file:// uris?

Bijan Parsia: Does this include file:// uris?

18:41:06 <evrensirin> boris: in practice, you don't retrieve ontologies from the web

Boris Motik: in practice, you don't retrieve ontologies from the web

18:41:09 <bijan> Does this mean you need to synch ontology name and location?

Bijan Parsia: Does this mean you need to synch ontology name and location?

18:41:11 <sandro> I was NOT saying "web first then fallback".   Manual override comes first.

Sandro Hawke: I was NOT saying "web first then fallback". Manual override comes first.

18:41:19 <evrensirin> boris: most of the time they are local

Boris Motik: most of the time they are local

18:41:28 <alanr> yes, understood that, apologies for misphrasing

Alan Ruttenberg: yes, understood that, apologies for misphrasing

18:41:45 <JeffP> -1 on most of the time ontologies are local

Jeff Pan: -1 on most of the time ontologies are local

18:42:01 <evrensirin> boris: trying web first is fine but it is important to say there is another mechanism

Boris Motik: trying web first is fine but it is important to say there is another mechanism

18:42:03 <ivan> q?

Ivan Herman: q?

18:42:06 <ivan> ack alanr

Ivan Herman: ack alanr

18:42:06 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to explain versioning use case

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to explain versioning use case

18:42:10 <Rinke> XML uses the xml:base to state where an xml file is supposedly located

Rinke Hoekstra: XML uses the xml:base to state where an xml file is supposedly located

18:42:35 <jeremy> q-

Jeremy Carroll: q-

18:43:07 <evrensirin> alanr: chair hat off, a use case for imports regarding versioning

Alan Ruttenberg: chair hat off, a use case for imports regarding versioning

18:43:10 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:43:16 <evrensirin> alanr: multiple versions of the same ontology

Alan Ruttenberg: multiple versions of the same ontology

18:43:35 <sandro> jeremy (on irc): * jeremy is happy with Sandro's clarification                   [since /me things are not recorded]

Sandro Hawke: jeremy (on irc): * jeremy is happy with Sandro's clarification [since /me things are not recorded]

18:43:41 <pfps> This seems like http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports#Imports_is_by_Location_.28with_Version_extension.29

Peter Patel-Schneider: This seems like http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports#Imports_is_by_Location_.28with_Version_extension.29

18:43:56 <evrensirin> alanr: ontology is same but location for different versions change

Alan Ruttenberg: ontology is same but location for different versions change

18:44:13 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:44:21 <evrensirin> alanr: a differetn use case then caching

Alan Ruttenberg: a differetn use case then caching

18:44:24 <Rinke> I think that different versions are *different* ontologies

Rinke Hoekstra: I think that different versions are *different* ontologies

18:44:30 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:44:41 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:44:41 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps

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18:44:56 <evrensirin> alanr: local file does not work well with Web

Alan Ruttenberg: local file does not work well with Web

18:45:13 <evrensirin> alanr: have the mapping in a Web file

Alan Ruttenberg: have the mapping in a Web file

18:45:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:45:31 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:45:31 <Rinke> ok, I'll chew on this for a bit

Rinke Hoekstra: ok, I'll chew on this for a bit

18:45:45 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

18:45:46 <bijan> I tend to treat different versions, esp during development, as "the same" ontology

Bijan Parsia: I tend to treat different versions, esp during development, as "the same" ontology

18:45:54 <sandro> alan: treating different versions as different ontologies doesn't work for the users I've worked with on this.

Alan Ruttenberg: treating different versions as different ontologies doesn't work for the users I've worked with on this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:46:18 <sandro> boris: true, but using different-location to solve the versioning problem isn't a great solution either.

Boris Motik: true, but using different-location to solve the versioning problem isn't a great solution either. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:46:24 <evrensirin> boris: if we want to solve versioning problem we need to look at it independent of imports

Boris Motik: if we want to solve versioning problem we need to look at it independent of imports

18:46:39 <bijan> name == location is only true of OWL DL; owl full doesn't require that

Bijan Parsia: name == location is only true of OWL DL; owl full doesn't require that

18:46:57 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

18:47:37 <evrensirin> pfps: solution to versioning is same as W3C versioning

Peter Patel-Schneider: solution to versioning is same as W3C versioning

18:47:41 <alanr> q+ to respond to Boris re: versioning/import

Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to respond to Boris re: versioning/import

18:47:51 <evrensirin> pfps: as I proposed in the F2F

Peter Patel-Schneider: as I proposed in the F2F

18:48:30 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:48:30 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

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18:48:30 <alanr> ack pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps

18:48:39 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan

18:48:40 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:49:03 <alanr> what is an ontology name good for?

Alan Ruttenberg: what is an ontology name good for?

18:49:44 <pfps> see the imports page

Peter Patel-Schneider: see the imports page

18:49:58 <alanr> peter, could you q up to describe your proposal quickly

Alan Ruttenberg: peter, could you q up to describe your proposal quickly

18:50:09 <evrensirin> bijan: I work with command line tools and local files

Bijan Parsia: I work with command line tools and local files

18:50:11 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

18:50:17 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

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18:50:30 <evrensirin> bijan: putting a mapping on the Web does not work for those cases

Bijan Parsia: putting a mapping on the Web does not work for those cases

18:50:41 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:50:41 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:50:43 <alanr> ack alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr

18:50:43 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to respond to Boris re: versioning/import

Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to respond to Boris re: versioning/import

18:51:20 <jeremy> q+ to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?

Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?

18:51:27 <evrensirin> alanr: I'm reluctant on imports solution without considering versioning

Alan Ruttenberg: I'm reluctant on imports solution without considering versioning

18:51:31 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

18:51:47 <Rinke> Addendum to Bijan's remark: confusion is even worse because there's nothing that relates the RDF representation of an ontology with the classes/axioms in that ontology other than that they are both 'in' the same file

Rinke Hoekstra: Addendum to Bijan's remark: confusion is even worse because there's nothing that relates the RDF representation of an ontology with the classes/axioms in that ontology other than that they are both 'in' the same file

18:51:59 <bijan> +1 to Rinke

Bijan Parsia: +1 to Rinke

18:52:00 <evrensirin> alanr: putting a map might not work always but there should be a possiblity to do so

Alan Ruttenberg: putting a map might not work always but there should be a possiblity to do so

18:52:34 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:52:51 <evrensirin> alanr: even if the contents might change ontology identity name remains same

Alan Ruttenberg: even if the contents might change ontology identity name remains same

18:52:52 <bijan> Addendum to me: having a tool fail an import because the ontology URI is distinct from the location really frustrated me (Protege 4 had this for a while)

Bijan Parsia: Addendum to me: having a tool fail an import because the ontology URI is distinct from the location really frustrated me (Protege 4 had this for a while)

18:53:21 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:53:25 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

18:53:30 <JeffP> +1

Jeff Pan: +1

18:53:32 <Carsten> ian +1

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18:53:32 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

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18:53:36 <evrensirin> ian: since alanr is discussing I'll chair this discussion

Ian Horrocks: since alanr is discussing I'll chair this discussion

18:53:37 <ivan> ack jeremy

Ivan Herman: ack jeremy

18:53:38 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?

18:53:38 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me

18:53:41 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy was not muted, jeremy

18:54:30 <bijan> It's relevant in that right now the discussion in the spec is confusing and tools vary a lot

Bijan Parsia: It's relevant in that right now the discussion in the spec is confusing and tools vary a lot

18:54:46 <bijan> So anything we do to help the tools converge helps a lot

Bijan Parsia: So anything we do to help the tools converge helps a lot

18:54:53 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me

18:54:53 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

18:54:54 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:54:57 <alanr> the problem is that people use multiple tools, jeremy

Alan Ruttenberg: the problem is that people use multiple tools, jeremy

18:55:01 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

18:55:01 <bijan> q+ to reply to jeremy

Bijan Parsia: q+ to reply to jeremy

18:55:03 <sandro> zakim, list attendees

Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees

18:55:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin,

18:55:06 <Zakim> ... bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy, carsten, JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy, carsten, JeffP

18:55:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:55:22 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call

18:55:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro

18:55:23 <Rinke> +1 to at least clear up the confusion and *then* decide on what we want to standardise or leave to the tools

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to at least clear up the confusion and *then* decide on what we want to standardise or leave to the tools

18:55:24 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

18:55:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag (muted), jeremy (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag (muted), jeremy (muted),

18:55:27 <Zakim> ... MarkusK (muted), carsten (muted), JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK (muted), carsten (muted), JeffP

18:55:30 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:00 <evrensirin> boris: spec should be precise with regards to how imports work

Boris Motik: spec should be precise with regards to how imports work

18:56:09 <sandro> Present: bijan, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK, carsten, JeffP

Scribe problem: the name 'carsten' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu

18:56:11 <alanr> +1 to boris

Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to boris

18:56:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:56:20 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

18:56:26 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan

18:56:26 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to reply to jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to reply to jeremy

18:56:28 <evrensirin> boris: otherwise developers come up with different solutions

Boris Motik: otherwise developers come up with different solutions

18:56:38 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

18:56:42 <evrensirin> bijan: I agree with boris, this is a spec issue

Bijan Parsia: I agree with boris, this is a spec issue

18:56:43 <jeremy> +1 to clarification

Jeremy Carroll: +1 to clarification

18:57:05 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:57:05 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:58:18 <evrensirin> alanr: we are not that far away from a solution

Alan Ruttenberg: we are not that far away from a solution

18:58:34 <evrensirin> alanr: get interested people discuss the issue

Alan Ruttenberg: get interested people discuss the issue

18:58:49 <evrensirin> alanr: after we have consensus that this is a spec issue

Alan Ruttenberg: after we have consensus that this is a spec issue

18:58:52 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall

18:59:02 <evrensirin> alanr: maybe do a straw poll

Alan Ruttenberg: maybe do a straw poll

18:59:13 <bijan> +1 to speccing imports

Bijan Parsia: +1 to speccing imports

18:59:17 <bmotik> +1

Boris Motik: +1

18:59:18 <MarkusK> +1

Markus Krötzsch: +1

18:59:18 <JeffP> +1 spec issue

Jeff Pan: +1 spec issue

18:59:19 <pfps> +1 part of the spec

Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 part of the spec

18:59:21 <bcuencag> +1

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +1

18:59:21 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

18:59:22 <Rinke> +1 to spec

Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to spec

18:59:23 <evrensirin> +1 to spec

+1 to spec

18:59:28 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: The OWL 1.1 Spec should talk about hot to physically locate ontologies

STRAWPOLL: The OWL 1.1 Spec should talk about hot to physically locate ontologies

18:59:29 <jeremy> perhaps: do we want to specify how to locate local copies?

Scribe problem: the name 'perhaps' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Bijan Parsia Rinke Hoekstra Boris Motik Ian Horrocks Alan Ruttenberg Ivan Herman Peter Patel-Schneider Elisa Kendall Sandro Hawke Evan Wallace Zhe Wu Evren Sirin Bernardo Cuenca Grau Jeremy Carroll Markus Krötzsch Unknown carsten Jeff Pan Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown perhaps: do we want to specify how to locate local copies? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

18:59:30 <jeremy> -1

Jeremy Carroll: -1

18:59:32 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

18:59:35 <ewallace> 0

Evan Wallace: 0

18:59:37 <ivan> 0

Ivan Herman: 0

18:59:41 <Carsten> 0

Unknown carsten: 0

19:00:06 <evrensirin> ian: majority thinks this is a spec issue

Ian Horrocks: majority thinks this is a spec issue

19:00:09 <jeremy> (I perhaps could be persuaded by peter, since I thought I was agreeing with him)

Jeremy Carroll: (I perhaps could be persuaded by peter, since I thought I was agreeing with him)

19:00:18 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me

19:00:18 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

19:00:46 <JeffP> (sorry, have to leave now - bye)

Jeff Pan: (sorry, have to leave now - bye)

19:00:51 <Zakim> -JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP

19:00:53 <alanr> bye jeff

Alan Ruttenberg: bye jeff

19:01:11 <Rinke> (have to leave as well...)

Rinke Hoekstra: (have to leave as well...)

19:01:12 <evrensirin> jeremy: it might do harm to put in spec

Jeremy Carroll: it might do harm to put in spec

19:01:18 <evrensirin> jeremy: better handled in tools

Jeremy Carroll: better handled in tools

19:01:29 <Zakim> -Rinke

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke

19:01:43 <jeremy> jeremy: that tools should be allowed to compete on non-interoperability issue

Jeremy Carroll: that tools should be allowed to compete on non-interoperability issue [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ]

19:01:44 <bijan> I gave an example how OWL 1.0's specing resulted in interop problems

Bijan Parsia: I gave an example how OWL 1.0's specing resulted in interop problems

19:01:52 <bijan> With test cases

Bijan Parsia: With test cases

19:01:56 <alanr> Multiple tools use was the other

Alan Ruttenberg: Multiple tools use was the other

19:02:00 <bijan> (interop problem IMHO)

Bijan Parsia: (interop problem IMHO)

19:02:22 <bmotik> +1 to bijan

Boris Motik: +1 to bijan

19:02:26 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:02:26 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

19:02:31 <sandro> Sandro: I agree with Jeremy that it should be in the spec if and only if it's necessary for interoperability.      So let's figure out whether it's necessary....

Sandro Hawke: I agree with Jeremy that it should be in the spec if and only if it's necessary for interoperability. So let's figure out whether it's necessary.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

19:02:34 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me

19:02:34 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

19:02:46 <bijan> see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0565.html

Scribe problem: the name 'see' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Bijan Parsia Rinke Hoekstra Boris Motik Ian Horrocks Alan Ruttenberg Ivan Herman Peter Patel-Schneider Elisa Kendall Sandro Hawke Evan Wallace Zhe Wu Evren Sirin Bernardo Cuenca Grau Jeremy Carroll Markus Krötzsch Unknown carsten Jeff Pan Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0565.html [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

19:02:47 <evrensirin> ian: people involved will dicuss importing issue via email

Ian Horrocks: people involved will dicuss importing issue via email

19:03:12 <evrensirin> ian: action item for alanr, 3 weeks from now, to arrange imports discussion

Ian Horrocks: action item for alanr, 3 weeks from now, to arrange imports discussion

19:03:24 <evrensirin> ian: passing the chair hat back to alanr

Ian Horrocks: passing the chair hat back to alanr

19:03:26 <sandro> ACTION: Alan to organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks

ACTION: Alan to organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks

19:03:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-58 - Organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-12-26].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-12-26].

19:04:07 <evrensirin> alanr: go through issues

Alan Ruttenberg: go through issues

19:04:16 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:04:16 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

19:04:19 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 9 by pfps

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-9 by pfps

19:04:29 <bcuencag> +q

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: +q

19:04:49 <pfps> I have nothing to say on the issue.

Peter Patel-Schneider: I have nothing to say on the issue.

19:04:54 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:04:54 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

19:05:10 <sandro> ack bcuencag

Sandro Hawke: ack bcuencag

19:05:11 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:05:27 <evrensirin> alanr: bernardo. dow we want to accept this issue?

Alan Ruttenberg: bernardo. dow we want to accept this issue?

19:05:52 <evrensirin> bernardo: I'm not sure if this is RDFS semantics or OWL-Full semantics

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I'm not sure if this is RDFS semantics or OWL-Full semantics

19:06:08 <evrensirin> bernardo: DL-Lite is a proper superset

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: DL-Lite is a proper superset

19:06:29 <evrensirin> bernardo: worth responding to

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: worth responding to

19:06:38 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 10

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-10

19:06:47 <evrensirin> +q

+q

19:06:52 <bmotik> I believe this is an issue: under the Full semantics, RDFS is not embeddable into any DL fragment

Boris Motik: I believe this is an issue: under the Full semantics, RDFS is not embeddable into any DL fragment

19:06:57 <bijan> I don't understand why we're accepting that....what document is this an issue against?

Bijan Parsia: I don't understand why we're accepting that....what document is this an issue against?

19:07:47 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:07:47 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

19:07:53 <Carsten> +1 alan

Unknown carsten: +1 alan

19:07:56 <evrensirin> alanr: reject issue 10 as duplicate of issue 22

Alan Ruttenberg: reject ISSUE-10 as duplicate of ISSUE-22

19:07:56 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

19:08:06 <evrensirin> -q

-q

19:08:07 <alanr> ack evrensirin

Alan Ruttenberg: ack evrensirin

19:08:16 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me

Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me

19:08:16 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted

19:08:30 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:08:30 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:09:56 <Zakim> -carsten

Zakim IRC Bot: -carsten

19:10:04 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 22

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-22

19:10:23 <evrensirin> alanr: I've come up with similar use case

Alan Ruttenberg: I've come up with similar use case

19:10:38 <IanH> q+

Ian Horrocks: q+

19:10:38 <evrensirin> alanr: at leats two other people finds it useful

Alan Ruttenberg: at leats two other people finds it useful

19:10:42 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

19:10:43 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:10:47 <ivan> ack IanH

Ivan Herman: ack IanH

19:10:54 <evrensirin> alanr: so we can put it in the functional syntax

Alan Ruttenberg: so we can put it in the functional syntax

19:12:05 <bmotik> Isn't ISSUE-23 somehow subsumed by our general approach to blank nodes?

Boris Motik: Isn't ISSUE-23 somehow subsumed by our general approach to blank nodes?

19:12:05 <bijan> ack bijan

Bijan Parsia: ack bijan

19:12:05 <ivan> ack bijan

Ivan Herman: ack bijan

19:12:14 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:12:15 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

19:12:38 <bmotik> q+

Boris Motik: q+

19:13:10 <pfps> q-

Peter Patel-Schneider: q-

19:13:22 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:13:22 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

19:13:23 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me

19:13:23 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted

19:13:27 <ivan> ack bmotik

Ivan Herman: ack bmotik

19:13:48 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

19:13:48 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

19:13:50 <jeremy> (we're still on 22 not 23)

Jeremy Carroll: (we're still on 22 not 23)

19:14:35 <bijan> It seems crazy to me without reflection into all syntaxes

Bijan Parsia: It seems crazy to me without reflection into all syntaxes

19:14:39 <evrensirin> ian: by accepting an issue we are just saying ti is not crazy to discuss

Ian Horrocks: by accepting an issue we are just saying ti is not crazy to discuss

19:14:45 <evrensirin> alanr: accept issue 22

Alan Ruttenberg: accept ISSUE-22

19:14:57 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 23

Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-23

19:15:01 <jeremy> suggest merege with issue 3

Jeremy Carroll: suggest merge with ISSUE-3

19:15:40 <ivan> s/merege/merge/
19:15:53 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 3 could be slightly different

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-3 could be slightly different

19:16:06 <evrensirin> alanr: is there anybody seconding to accept?

Alan Ruttenberg: is there anybody seconding to accept?

19:16:23 <evrensirin> alanr: reject issue 23 on the basis there is noone seconding

Alan Ruttenberg: reject ISSUE-23 on the basis there is noone seconding

19:16:41 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 24

Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-24

19:17:18 <ewallace> q

Evan Wallace: q

19:17:52 <evrensirin> alanr: combining onotlogies that are incompatible with each other cause inconsitency

Alan Ruttenberg: combining onotlogies that are incompatible with each other cause inconsitency

19:17:59 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

19:17:59 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

19:18:05 <evrensirin> alanr: owl:backwardcompatibleWith property

Alan Ruttenberg: owl:backwardcompatibleWith property

19:18:05 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

19:18:15 <evrensirin> ewallace seconding issue 24

ewallace seconding ISSUE-24

19:18:19 <evrensirin> issue 24 accepted

ISSUE-24 accepted

19:18:31 <bijan> at the face to face uli and I are tasked to work up a proposal on this front

Bijan Parsia: at the face to face uli and I are tasked to work up a proposal on this front

19:18:35 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 47

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-47

19:18:44 <pfps> not raised by me - instead taken from the Webont issues

Peter Patel-Schneider: not raised by me - instead taken from the Webont issues

19:18:49 <pfps> q+

Peter Patel-Schneider: q+

19:18:54 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

19:18:54 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

19:19:09 <evrensirin> alanr: accept issue 47 based on easy keys proposal

Alan Ruttenberg: accept ISSUE-47 based on easy keys proposal

19:19:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

19:19:14 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

19:19:25 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

19:19:28 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

19:19:30 <evrensirin> pfps: this is more than easy keys, why tie it to easy keys?

Peter Patel-Schneider: this is more than easy keys, why tie it to easy keys?

19:19:35 <ivan> ack pfps

Ivan Herman: ack pfps

19:19:38 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:19:38 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

19:20:03 <pfps> ah, then OK

Peter Patel-Schneider: ah, then OK

19:20:18 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

19:20:18 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

19:20:30 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:20:30 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

19:20:32 <evrensirin> alanr: second bijan to accept 47

Alan Ruttenberg: second bijan to accept 47

19:21:04 <evrensirin> alanr: accepted issue 47

Alan Ruttenberg: accepted ISSUE-47

19:21:41 <bijan> seconded, move on

Bijan Parsia: seconded, move on

19:21:42 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 56

Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-56

19:21:56 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 56 accepted

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-56 accepted

19:22:13 <Zakim> -jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy

19:22:21 <jeremy> oops

Jeremy Carroll: oops

19:22:27 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 60 regarding wine ontology

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-60 regarding wine ontology

19:22:34 <jeremy> a minute or two please to redial

Jeremy Carroll: a minute or two please to redial

19:22:35 <bmotik> Isn't this taking the political correctness a tad too far?

Boris Motik: Isn't this taking the political correctness a tad too far?

19:22:50 <bijan> Isn't this something for the UFDTF

Bijan Parsia: Isn't this something for the UFDTF

19:23:25 <Zakim> +jeremy

Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy

19:23:26 <pfps> is there *any* universal example?

Peter Patel-Schneider: is there *any* universal example?

19:23:29 <bijan> In the primer proposal peter and I are working we're exploring alternative domains

Bijan Parsia: In the primer proposal peter and I are working we're exploring alternative domains

19:23:30 <alanr> :)

Alan Ruttenberg: :)

19:23:42 <jeremy> zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me

19:23:42 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

19:23:50 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me

19:23:50 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted

19:24:06 <evrensirin> ivan: we chouls accept

Ivan Herman: we chouls accept

19:24:14 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

19:24:14 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps

19:24:15 <evrensirin> jeremy: I second it

Jeremy Carroll: I second it

19:24:23 <jeremy> zakim, mute me

Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me

19:24:23 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted

19:24:28 <ewallace> I think that the example was only used in  Guide

Evan Wallace: I think that the example was only used in Guide

19:24:31 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 60 accepted

Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-60 accepted

19:24:57 <Zhe> happy holidays!

Zhe Wu: happy holidays!

19:25:25 <evrensirin> alanr: let's adjourn if there is no other important issue

Alan Ruttenberg: let's adjourn if there is no other important issue

19:25:34 <Zakim> -bcuencag

Zakim IRC Bot: -bcuencag

19:25:34 <evrensirin> alanr: next meeting in two weeks

Alan Ruttenberg: next meeting in two weeks

19:25:57 <bmotik> bye

Boris Motik: bye

19:25:57 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

19:26:02 <Zakim> -alanr

Zakim IRC Bot: -alanr

19:26:03 <Zakim> -jeremy

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19:26:03 <Zakim> -Zhe

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19:26:04 <Zakim> -Sandro

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19:26:04 <Zakim> -bmotik

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19:26:05 <Zakim> -bijan

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19:26:06 <Zakim> -evrensirin

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19:26:07 <Zakim> -IanH

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19:26:09 <Zakim> -MarkusK

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19:26:11 <Zakim> -Ivan

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19:26:17 <Zakim> -pfps

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19:26:19 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended

19:26:20 <Zakim> Attendees were bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy,

19:26:22 <Zakim> ... carsten, JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: ... carsten, JeffP



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