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17:52:02 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/12/19-owl-irc ←
17:54:30 <bijan> zakim, this is owl
Bijan Parsia: zakim, this is owl ←
17:54:30 <Zakim> ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:54:31 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
17:54:42 <bijan> zakim, ??P2 is me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
17:54:42 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:54:48 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:54:48 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, muting is not permitted when only one person is present
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, muting is not permitted when only one person is present ←
17:55:39 <Zakim> + +1.312.052.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.312.052.aaaa ←
17:55:51 <Rinke> zakim, 1.312.052.aaaa is me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, 1.312.052.aaaa is me ←
17:55:51 <Zakim> sorry, Rinke, I do not recognize a party named '1.312.052.aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Rinke, I do not recognize a party named '1.312.052.aaaa' ←
17:56:02 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
17:56:12 <Rinke> zakim, aaaa is me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, aaaa is me ←
17:56:12 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rinke; got it ←
17:56:12 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Boris Motik: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
17:56:13 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it ←
17:56:19 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
17:56:19 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
17:56:22 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:56:22 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:56:22 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
Rinke Hoekstra: zakim, mute me ←
17:56:24 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Rinke should now be muted ←
17:56:52 <bmotik> It is eerily silent on the line
Boris Motik: It is eerily silent on the line ←
17:57:52 <bmotik> Bijan, how did you type your last comment into the IRC?
Boris Motik: Bijan, how did you type your last comment into the IRC? ←
17:58:09 <bmotik> I see that it is diffrent, but I don't understand what the difference is
Boris Motik: I see that it is diffrent, but I don't understand what the difference is ←
17:58:15 <Zakim> +IanH
Zakim IRC Bot: +IanH ←
17:58:49 <bmotik> And this is then not in the log, or?
Boris Motik: And this is then not in the log, or? ←
17:58:55 <Zakim> + +1.617.253.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.253.aabb ←
17:59:03 <alanr> zakim, aabb is me
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, aabb is me ←
17:59:03 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +alanr; got it ←
17:59:06 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
Ivan Herman: zakim, dial ivan-voip ←
17:59:06 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, ivan; the call is being made ←
17:59:08 <Zakim> +Ivan
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ivan ←
17:59:33 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
17:59:42 <pfps> zakim, ??p11 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p11 is me ←
17:59:42 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
17:59:44 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall ←
17:59:47 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
17:59:47 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:00:24 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
18:00:31 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
18:00:34 <Zakim> +Zhe
Zakim IRC Bot: +Zhe ←
18:00:49 <alanr> bernardo, can you scribe?
Alan Ruttenberg: bernardo, can you scribe? ←
18:01:29 <Zakim> +msmith
Zakim IRC Bot: +msmith ←
18:01:39 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:01:39 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:01:46 <Zakim> +??P17
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17 ←
18:02:19 <evrensirin> zakim, msmith is temporarily evrensirin
Evren Sirin: zakim, msmith is temporarily evrensirin ←
18:02:19 <Zakim> +evrensirin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +evrensirin; got it ←
18:02:32 <Zakim> +??P18
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18 ←
18:02:44 <bcuencag> zakim,??P17 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim,??P17 is me ←
18:02:44 <Zakim> +bcuencag; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bcuencag; got it ←
18:03:07 <Zakim> +??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P19 ←
18:03:12 <bijan> zakim, msmith is evrensirin
Bijan Parsia: zakim, msmith is evrensirin ←
18:03:12 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'msmith'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not recognize a party named 'msmith' ←
18:03:31 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
Ivan Herman: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK ←
18:03:32 <alanr> evren is scribe?
Alan Ruttenberg: evren is scribe? ←
18:03:35 <Zakim> On IRC I see sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:03:46 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:03:46 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:04:20 <ewallace> Evrin: Can you scribe?
Scribe problem: the name 'Evrin' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Evrin: Can you scribe? [ Scribe Assist by Evan Wallace ] ←
18:04:46 <sandro> scribenick: evrensirin
(Scribe set to Evren Sirin)
18:04:53 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:04:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik (muted), IanH (muted), alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik (muted), IanH (muted), alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy ←
18:04:57 <Zakim> ... (muted), MarkusK (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), MarkusK (muted) ←
18:04:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see Carsten, sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Carsten, sandro, MarkusK, bcuencag, evrensirin, Zhe, jeremy, Elisa, ewallace, ivan, alanr, bmotik, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, pfps, Rinke, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:04:59 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:04:59 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
18:05:16 <sandro> evrensirin, the main thing is to record more-or-less what people say as nickname: what they say
Sandro Hawke: evrensirin, the main thing is to record more-or-less what people say as nickname: what they say ←
18:05:33 <Zakim> +??P20
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P20 ←
18:05:35 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:05:35 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:05:44 <evrensirin> sandro, ok
sandro, ok ←
18:05:46 <Carsten> zakim, p20 is carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, p20 is carsten ←
18:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'p20' ←
18:05:53 <alanr> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes
PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes ←
18:05:56 <Carsten> zakim, P20 is Carsten
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, P20 is Carsten ←
18:05:56 <Zakim> sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'P20'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Carsten, I do not recognize a party named 'P20' ←
18:05:58 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.12.12/Minutes
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.12.12/Minutes ←
18:05:59 <ivan> zakim, ??P20 is carsten
Ivan Herman: zakim, ??P20 is carsten ←
18:05:59 <Zakim> +carsten; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +carsten; got it ←
18:06:05 <Carsten> thanks, ivan
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: thanks, ivan ←
18:06:10 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:10 <Zakim> carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: carsten should now be muted ←
18:06:24 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:24 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted ←
18:06:25 <alanr> Resolved: Accept Previous Minutes
RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes ←
18:06:34 <bmotik> They did
Boris Motik: They did ←
18:06:44 <bmotik> Ian added them
Boris Motik: Ian added them ←
18:07:46 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
18:07:53 <JeffP> zakim, P22 is me
18:07:53 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named 'P22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named 'P22' ←
18:08:02 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:08:02 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
18:08:06 <JeffP> zakim, ?P22 is me
18:08:06 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '?P22' ←
18:08:20 <JeffP> zakim, +??P22 is me
Jeff Pan: zakim, +??P22 is me ←
18:08:20 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not recognize a party named '+??P22' ←
18:08:31 <pfps> yes, I'm waiting for Sandro to push the button
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, I'm waiting for Sandro to push the button ←
18:08:36 <bijan> zakim, ??P22 is JeffP
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??P22 is JeffP ←
18:08:36 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it ←
18:08:49 <JeffP> bijan, thx
18:09:21 <bijan> So this means no publication until after Jan 2 (/me notes)
Bijan Parsia: So this means no publication until after Jan 2 (/me notes) ←
18:09:49 <bijan> No I mean that the publication moratoriam; it ends on Jan 2
Bijan Parsia: No I mean that the publication moratoriam; it ends on Jan 2 ←
18:11:14 <evrensirin> alanr: action 4, are we using redirects?
Alan Ruttenberg: ACTION-4, are we using redirects? ←
18:11:33 <evrensirin> sandro: we can cancel the action
Sandro Hawke: we can cancel the action ←
18:11:53 <pfps> there are *still* people who haven't signed on to the wiki
Peter Patel-Schneider: there are *still* people who haven't signed on to the wiki ←
18:11:57 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:11:57 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:12:32 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:12:32 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:12:44 <evrensirin> ian: there are still people without wiki accounts
Ian Horrocks: there are still people without wiki accounts ←
18:12:59 <ivan> scribenick: evrensirin
18:13:01 <pfps> just a comment
Peter Patel-Schneider: just a comment ←
18:13:10 <bijan> How do people scribe if they don't have accounts?
Bijan Parsia: How do people scribe if they don't have accounts? ←
18:13:27 <bijan> So that's a forcing function
Bijan Parsia: So that's a forcing function ←
18:13:58 <MarkusK> A simple captcha can prevent spam. There are simple solutions to that.
Markus Krötzsch: A simple captcha can prevent spam. There are simple solutions to that. ←
18:14:26 <jeremy> (note steve battle is HP's alternate, and so far has not done anything, other than attend F2F because of HP's internal decisions about representation etc.)
Jeremy Carroll: (note steve battle is HP's alternate, and so far has not done anything, other than attend F2F because of HP's internal decisions about representation etc.) ←
18:14:36 <jeremy> (note steve does not have an account)
Jeremy Carroll: (note steve does not have an account) ←
18:14:48 <sandro> MarkusK, captcha's don't prevent spam -- we get spam from real humans.
Sandro Hawke: MarkusK, captcha's don't prevent spam -- we get spam from real humans. ←
18:15:10 <evrensirin> alanr: update the deadline for action 23
Alan Ruttenberg: update the deadline for ACTION-23 ←
18:15:10 <MarkusK> OK, human spam is of course different.
Markus Krötzsch: OK, human spam is of course different. ←
18:15:35 <evrensirin> alanr: mid-january for action 23
Alan Ruttenberg: mid-january for ACTION-23 ←
18:16:10 <IanH> Is it just me or is Alan a very long way away?
Ian Horrocks: Is it just me or is Alan a very long way away? ←
18:16:12 <pfps> I don't remember anything related to that issue at the F2F.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't remember anything related to that issue at the F2F. ←
18:16:15 <pfps> Huh?
Peter Patel-Schneider: Huh? ←
18:16:18 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:16:26 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:16:26 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:16:28 <pfps> q+
18:16:34 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:16:38 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:16:38 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:16:47 <jeremy> I Bthink this action should continue
Jeremy Carroll: I Bthink this action should continue ←
18:17:06 <evrensirin> alanr: do we want punning on object and datatype properties?
Alan Ruttenberg: do we want punning on object and datatype properties? ←
18:17:10 <evrensirin> bijan: does it matter?
Bijan Parsia: does it matter? ←
18:17:25 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:17:25 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:17:26 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
18:17:30 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:17:30 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:17:33 <pfps> q-
18:17:34 <ewallace> jeremy received this action at the FTF
Evan Wallace: jeremy received this action at the FTF ←
18:17:36 <evrensirin> alanr: describe the problem in detail
Alan Ruttenberg: describe the problem in detail ←
18:18:40 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:18:40 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
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18:18:42 <IanH> There is no call next week!
Ian Horrocks: There is no call next week! ←
18:19:04 <bijan> Yes
Bijan Parsia: Yes ←
18:19:05 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:19:05 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
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18:19:09 <evrensirin> alanr: update the deadline for action 48
Alan Ruttenberg: update the deadline for ACTION-48 ←
18:19:43 <bijan> I recall asking for a grammar
Bijan Parsia: I recall asking for a grammar ←
18:19:52 <evrensirin> ian: zhe will write OWLPrime spec in a similar format to others
Ian Horrocks: zhe will write OWLPrime spec in a similar format to others ←
18:20:32 <evrensirin> zhe: trying to figure out if RDFS 3.0 vocabulary can be mapped to DL-Lite or EL++
Zhe Wu: trying to figure out if RDFS 3.0 vocabulary can be mapped to DL-Lite or EL++ ←
18:21:09 <evrensirin> zhe: summary could be in wiki in January
Zhe Wu: summary could be in wiki in January ←
18:21:34 <evrensirin> zhe: update deadline for action 54
Zhe Wu: update deadline for ACTION-54 ←
18:21:50 <pfps> I don't want a meeting in any case
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't want a meeting in any case ←
18:22:12 <bijan> Uli is out sick
Bijan Parsia: Uli is out sick ←
18:22:44 <evrensirin> alanr: continue Uli's actions 55 and 56
Alan Ruttenberg: continue Uli's actions 55 and 56 ←
18:23:01 <evrensirin> ian: there were pending review items
Ian Horrocks: there were pending review items ←
18:23:28 <bcuencagrau> zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me ←
18:23:28 <Zakim> sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bcuencagrau, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you ←
18:23:40 <evrensirin> ian: pending means people want confirmation that it is finished
Ian Horrocks: pending means people want confirmation that it is finished ←
18:23:51 <bcuencagrau> zakim, ??P17 is me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, ??P17 is me ←
18:23:51 <Zakim> I already had ??P17 as bcuencag, bcuencagrau
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18:24:34 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:34 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
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18:24:40 <bijan> I was confused by that as there were extant imports proposals (e.g., from my email from before the f2f)
Bijan Parsia: I was confused by that as there were extant imports proposals (e.g., from my email from before the f2f) ←
18:25:07 <evrensirin> alanr: accept action 36, 40, 41 as closed
Alan Ruttenberg: accept ACTION-36, 40, 41 as closed ←
18:26:02 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
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18:26:42 <bijan> OWL 1.1 uses constants to describe atomic values, such as strings or integers. These are encoded as in the Turtle specification[TURTLE].
Bijan Parsia: OWL 1.1 uses constants to describe atomic values, such as strings or integers. These are encoded as in the Turtle specification[TURTLE]. ←
18:26:43 <bijan> constant:= the same as the literal production in the Turtle specification [TURTLE]
Bijan Parsia: constant:= the same as the literal production in the Turtle specification [TURTLE] ←
18:26:52 <bijan> (from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax )
Bijan Parsia: (from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Syntax ) ←
18:27:27 <bijan> This maybe: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2108&oldid=2107
Bijan Parsia: This maybe: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2108&oldid=2107 ←
18:27:28 <evrensirin> alanr: can you put the revision of wiki page regarding action 57
Alan Ruttenberg: can you put the revision of wiki page regarding ACTION-57 ←
18:28:18 <evrensirin> alanr: there should be a note in the tracker about the action
Alan Ruttenberg: there should be a note in the tracker about the action ←
18:28:42 <bijan> This might be a better one: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2107&oldid=2103
Bijan Parsia: This might be a better one: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/index.php?title=Syntax&diff=2107&oldid=2103 ←
18:28:52 <jeremy> For clairfication: this was about actions not issues?
Jeremy Carroll: For clairfication: this was about actions not issues? ←
18:28:59 <evrensirin> alanr: goal is for someone to understand what the action is and how it was resolved
Alan Ruttenberg: goal is for someone to understand what the action is and how it was resolved ←
18:29:04 <evrensirin> alanr: people can review easily
Alan Ruttenberg: people can review easily ←
18:29:31 <evrensirin> alanr: pending review actions completed
Alan Ruttenberg: pending review actions completed ←
18:29:46 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:29:46 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
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18:29:51 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
18:29:51 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
18:30:04 <evrensirin> pfps: put a link to wiki
Peter Patel-Schneider: put a link to wiki ←
18:30:20 <evrensirin> pfps: location is Gaithersburg, MD
Peter Patel-Schneider: location is Gaithersburg, MD ←
18:30:48 <evrensirin> alanr: personally encourage people to attend OWLED
Alan Ruttenberg: personally encourage people to attend OWLED ←
18:30:55 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:30:55 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
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18:31:19 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me ←
18:31:19 <Zakim> bcuencag was already muted, bcuencag
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18:31:28 <evrensirin> alanr: establish RDF mapping task force
Alan Ruttenberg: establish RDF mapping task force ←
18:31:30 <IanH> plus Jeremy
Ian Horrocks: plus Jeremy ←
18:32:53 <IanH> Jeremy, Peter, Johnathan, Ian, Alan, Boris
Ian Horrocks: Jeremy, Peter, Johnathan, Ian, Alan, Boris ←
18:33:18 <evrensirin> task force will create a wiki page
task force will create a wiki page ←
18:33:28 <evrensirin> address open issues regarding RDF mapping
address open issues regarding RDF mapping ←
18:33:33 <evrensirin> ensure backward compatibility
ensure backward compatibility ←
18:33:33 <jeremy> q+ to ask about Jonathan
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about Jonathan ←
18:33:40 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:33:40 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:33:42 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:33:47 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
18:33:47 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about Jonathan
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to ask about Jonathan ←
18:34:12 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:34:12 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:34:15 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:34:32 <evrensirin> alanr: let's discuss imports
Alan Ruttenberg: let's discuss imports ←
18:34:34 <jeremy> jeremy: is Jonathan a WG participant
Jeremy Carroll: is Jonathan a WG participant [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:34:34 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:34:34 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
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18:34:40 <Rinke> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports
Rinke Hoekstra: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports ←
18:34:43 <jeremy> alanr: he is in process of joining
Alan Ruttenberg: he is in process of joining [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:35:08 <bijan> The email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Dec/0183.html
Bijan Parsia: The email: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Dec/0183.html ←
18:35:26 <evrensirin> boris: imports are by ontology URI but physical URI may be different
Boris Motik: imports are by ontology URI but physical URI may be different ←
18:35:29 <bijan> BTW, I don't understand the comment "Bijan, I believe you were supposed to put this somewhere on the Web page, right?"
Bijan Parsia: BTW, I don't understand the comment "Bijan, I believe you were supposed to put this somewhere on the Web page, right?" ←
18:36:07 <evrensirin> boris: propose to have oracles to map ontology URIs to physical URIs
Boris Motik: propose to have oracles to map ontology URIs to physical URIs ←
18:36:31 <evrensirin> boris: a file based oracle plus hints in the imports
Boris Motik: a file based oracle plus hints in the imports ←
18:36:35 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:36:36 <jeremy> q+ to ask about interoperability benefits?
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask about interoperability benefits? ←
18:36:36 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
18:36:42 <bijan> zakim, ack
Bijan Parsia: zakim, ack ←
18:36:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'ack', bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'ack', bijan ←
18:36:43 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:36:43 <sandro> ack bijan
Sandro Hawke: ack bijan ←
18:36:48 <evrensirin> boris: if all else fails try ontology URI
Boris Motik: if all else fails try ontology URI ←
18:36:55 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:36:55 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:37:18 <pfps> q+
18:37:26 <evrensirin> bijan: XML catalog has similar mechanism
Bijan Parsia: XML catalog has similar mechanism ←
18:37:35 <jeremy> ack jeremy
Jeremy Carroll: ack jeremy ←
18:37:36 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask about interoperability benefits?
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to ask about interoperability benefits? ←
18:37:36 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:37:36 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
18:37:38 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:37:43 <evrensirin> bijan: Protege and TBC has similar mechanisms
Bijan Parsia: Protege and TBC has similar mechanisms ←
18:37:58 <alanr> +1 for specification
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 for specification ←
18:38:02 <bmotik> Can I answer this please?
Boris Motik: Can I answer this please? ←
18:38:07 <evrensirin> jeremy: do we need to specify the mechanism for interoperability?
Jeremy Carroll: do we need to specify the mechanism for interoperability? ←
18:38:08 <alanr> q+ to explain versioning use case
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to explain versioning use case ←
18:38:29 <pfps> q-
18:38:30 <Rinke> Topbraid uses the xml:base instead of an ontology uri to resolve imports to local files
Rinke Hoekstra: Topbraid uses the xml:base instead of an ontology uri to resolve imports to local files ←
18:38:34 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:38:34 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:38:49 <jeremy> yes
Jeremy Carroll: yes ←
18:38:55 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:38:59 <pfps> I concur with Jeremy
Peter Patel-Schneider: I concur with Jeremy ←
18:38:59 <ivan> ack sandro
Ivan Herman: ack sandro ←
18:39:00 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:39:04 <jeremy> jeremy: why does boris's proprosal benefit interoperability?
Jeremy Carroll: why does boris's proprosal benefit interoperability? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:39:19 <jeremy> jeremy: all the tools have this sort of caching mechanism, of course.
Jeremy Carroll: all the tools have this sort of caching mechanism, of course. [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:39:45 <jeremy> jeremy: but for interop we should specify the Web as where your documents are stored
Jeremy Carroll: but for interop we should specify the Web as where your documents are stored [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:39:47 <alanr> +1 to sandro - web uber alle
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to sandro - web über alles ←
18:39:57 <ivan> s/alle/alles/
18:40:00 <pfps> q+
18:40:23 <jeremy> jeremy: and it is a tool matter how caching, temporary copies etc. etc.
Jeremy Carroll: and it is a tool matter how caching, temporary copies etc. etc. [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:40:25 <Rinke> s/uber/über/
18:40:29 <jeremy> -1 to sandro
Jeremy Carroll: -1 to sandro ←
18:40:36 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:40:43 <sandro> sandro: I'd be much more comfortable with this mechanism if it were sold as "here's a manual override" if you really need it.
Sandro Hawke: I'd be much more comfortable with this mechanism if it were sold as "here's a manual override" if you really need it. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:40:47 <evrensirin> sandro: we should first try ontology URI then manual override
Sandro Hawke: we should first try ontology URI then manual override ←
18:40:48 <jeremy> q+ to argue against sandro for first web then fallback
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to argue against sandro for first web then fallback ←
18:40:57 <bijan> Does this include file:// uris?
Bijan Parsia: Does this include file:// uris? ←
18:41:06 <evrensirin> boris: in practice, you don't retrieve ontologies from the web
Boris Motik: in practice, you don't retrieve ontologies from the web ←
18:41:09 <bijan> Does this mean you need to synch ontology name and location?
Bijan Parsia: Does this mean you need to synch ontology name and location? ←
18:41:11 <sandro> I was NOT saying "web first then fallback". Manual override comes first.
Sandro Hawke: I was NOT saying "web first then fallback". Manual override comes first. ←
18:41:19 <evrensirin> boris: most of the time they are local
Boris Motik: most of the time they are local ←
18:41:28 <alanr> yes, understood that, apologies for misphrasing
Alan Ruttenberg: yes, understood that, apologies for misphrasing ←
18:41:45 <JeffP> -1 on most of the time ontologies are local
Jeff Pan: -1 on most of the time ontologies are local ←
18:42:01 <evrensirin> boris: trying web first is fine but it is important to say there is another mechanism
Boris Motik: trying web first is fine but it is important to say there is another mechanism ←
18:42:03 <ivan> q?
Ivan Herman: q? ←
18:42:06 <ivan> ack alanr
Ivan Herman: ack alanr ←
18:42:06 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to explain versioning use case
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to explain versioning use case ←
18:42:10 <Rinke> XML uses the xml:base to state where an xml file is supposedly located
Rinke Hoekstra: XML uses the xml:base to state where an xml file is supposedly located ←
18:42:35 <jeremy> q-
Jeremy Carroll: q- ←
18:43:07 <evrensirin> alanr: chair hat off, a use case for imports regarding versioning
Alan Ruttenberg: chair hat off, a use case for imports regarding versioning ←
18:43:10 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:43:16 <evrensirin> alanr: multiple versions of the same ontology
Alan Ruttenberg: multiple versions of the same ontology ←
18:43:35 <sandro> jeremy (on irc): * jeremy is happy with Sandro's clarification [since /me things are not recorded]
Sandro Hawke: jeremy (on irc): * jeremy is happy with Sandro's clarification [since /me things are not recorded] ←
18:43:41 <pfps> This seems like http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports#Imports_is_by_Location_.28with_Version_extension.29
Peter Patel-Schneider: This seems like http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Imports#Imports_is_by_Location_.28with_Version_extension.29 ←
18:43:56 <evrensirin> alanr: ontology is same but location for different versions change
Alan Ruttenberg: ontology is same but location for different versions change ←
18:44:13 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:44:21 <evrensirin> alanr: a differetn use case then caching
Alan Ruttenberg: a differetn use case then caching ←
18:44:24 <Rinke> I think that different versions are *different* ontologies
Rinke Hoekstra: I think that different versions are *different* ontologies ←
18:44:30 <IanH> +1
Ian Horrocks: +1 ←
18:44:41 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:44:41 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
18:44:56 <evrensirin> alanr: local file does not work well with Web
Alan Ruttenberg: local file does not work well with Web ←
18:45:13 <evrensirin> alanr: have the mapping in a Web file
Alan Ruttenberg: have the mapping in a Web file ←
18:45:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:45:31 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:45:31 <Rinke> ok, I'll chew on this for a bit
Rinke Hoekstra: ok, I'll chew on this for a bit ←
18:45:45 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
18:45:46 <bijan> I tend to treat different versions, esp during development, as "the same" ontology
Bijan Parsia: I tend to treat different versions, esp during development, as "the same" ontology ←
18:45:54 <sandro> alan: treating different versions as different ontologies doesn't work for the users I've worked with on this.
Alan Ruttenberg: treating different versions as different ontologies doesn't work for the users I've worked with on this. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:46:18 <sandro> boris: true, but using different-location to solve the versioning problem isn't a great solution either.
Boris Motik: true, but using different-location to solve the versioning problem isn't a great solution either. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:46:24 <evrensirin> boris: if we want to solve versioning problem we need to look at it independent of imports
Boris Motik: if we want to solve versioning problem we need to look at it independent of imports ←
18:46:39 <bijan> name == location is only true of OWL DL; owl full doesn't require that
Bijan Parsia: name == location is only true of OWL DL; owl full doesn't require that ←
18:46:57 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:47:37 <evrensirin> pfps: solution to versioning is same as W3C versioning
Peter Patel-Schneider: solution to versioning is same as W3C versioning ←
18:47:41 <alanr> q+ to respond to Boris re: versioning/import
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ to respond to Boris re: versioning/import ←
18:47:51 <evrensirin> pfps: as I proposed in the F2F
Peter Patel-Schneider: as I proposed in the F2F ←
18:48:30 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:48:30 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:48:30 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:48:39 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:48:40 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:48:40 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:49:03 <alanr> what is an ontology name good for?
Alan Ruttenberg: what is an ontology name good for? ←
18:49:44 <pfps> see the imports page
Peter Patel-Schneider: see the imports page ←
18:49:58 <alanr> peter, could you q up to describe your proposal quickly
Alan Ruttenberg: peter, could you q up to describe your proposal quickly ←
18:50:09 <evrensirin> bijan: I work with command line tools and local files
Bijan Parsia: I work with command line tools and local files ←
18:50:11 <pfps> q+
18:50:17 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:17 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:50:30 <evrensirin> bijan: putting a mapping on the Web does not work for those cases
Bijan Parsia: putting a mapping on the Web does not work for those cases ←
18:50:41 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:50:41 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:50:43 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
18:50:43 <Zakim> alanr, you wanted to respond to Boris re: versioning/import
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, you wanted to respond to Boris re: versioning/import ←
18:51:20 <jeremy> q+ to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?
Jeremy Carroll: q+ to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it? ←
18:51:27 <evrensirin> alanr: I'm reluctant on imports solution without considering versioning
Alan Ruttenberg: I'm reluctant on imports solution without considering versioning ←
18:51:31 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
18:51:47 <Rinke> Addendum to Bijan's remark: confusion is even worse because there's nothing that relates the RDF representation of an ontology with the classes/axioms in that ontology other than that they are both 'in' the same file
Rinke Hoekstra: Addendum to Bijan's remark: confusion is even worse because there's nothing that relates the RDF representation of an ontology with the classes/axioms in that ontology other than that they are both 'in' the same file ←
18:51:59 <bijan> +1 to Rinke
Bijan Parsia: +1 to Rinke ←
18:52:00 <evrensirin> alanr: putting a map might not work always but there should be a possiblity to do so
Alan Ruttenberg: putting a map might not work always but there should be a possiblity to do so ←
18:52:34 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:52:51 <evrensirin> alanr: even if the contents might change ontology identity name remains same
Alan Ruttenberg: even if the contents might change ontology identity name remains same ←
18:52:52 <bijan> Addendum to me: having a tool fail an import because the ontology URI is distinct from the location really frustrated me (Protege 4 had this for a while)
Bijan Parsia: Addendum to me: having a tool fail an import because the ontology URI is distinct from the location really frustrated me (Protege 4 had this for a while) ←
18:53:21 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:53:25 <pfps> q-
18:53:30 <JeffP> +1
18:53:32 <Carsten> ian +1
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Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 46 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: ian +1 ←
18:53:32 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:53:32 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:53:36 <evrensirin> ian: since alanr is discussing I'll chair this discussion
Ian Horrocks: since alanr is discussing I'll chair this discussion ←
18:53:37 <ivan> ack jeremy
Ivan Herman: ack jeremy ←
18:53:38 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it?
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to ask bijan why his use case requires the spec to address it? ←
18:53:38 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:53:41 <Zakim> jeremy was not muted, jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy was not muted, jeremy ←
18:54:30 <bijan> It's relevant in that right now the discussion in the spec is confusing and tools vary a lot
Bijan Parsia: It's relevant in that right now the discussion in the spec is confusing and tools vary a lot ←
18:54:46 <bijan> So anything we do to help the tools converge helps a lot
Bijan Parsia: So anything we do to help the tools converge helps a lot ←
18:54:53 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
18:54:53 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:54:54 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:54:57 <alanr> the problem is that people use multiple tools, jeremy
Alan Ruttenberg: the problem is that people use multiple tools, jeremy ←
18:55:01 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
18:55:01 <bijan> q+ to reply to jeremy
Bijan Parsia: q+ to reply to jeremy ←
18:55:03 <sandro> zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees ←
18:55:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, ←
18:55:06 <Zakim> ... bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy, carsten, JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy, carsten, JeffP ←
18:55:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:55:22 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call ←
18:55:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the call', sandro ←
18:55:23 <Rinke> +1 to at least clear up the confusion and *then* decide on what we want to standardise or leave to the tools
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to at least clear up the confusion and *then* decide on what we want to standardise or leave to the tools ←
18:55:24 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
18:55:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag (muted), jeremy (muted),
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bijan (muted), Rinke (muted), bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps (muted), Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag (muted), jeremy (muted), ←
18:55:27 <Zakim> ... MarkusK (muted), carsten (muted), JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK (muted), carsten (muted), JeffP ←
18:55:30 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:00 <evrensirin> boris: spec should be precise with regards to how imports work
Boris Motik: spec should be precise with regards to how imports work ←
18:56:09 <sandro> Present: bijan, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, jeremy, MarkusK, carsten, JeffP
Scribe problem: the name 'carsten' does not match any of the 43 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Haase Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
18:56:11 <alanr> +1 to boris
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 to boris ←
18:56:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:56:20 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:56:26 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
18:56:26 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to reply to jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to reply to jeremy ←
18:56:28 <evrensirin> boris: otherwise developers come up with different solutions
Boris Motik: otherwise developers come up with different solutions ←
18:56:38 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
18:56:42 <evrensirin> bijan: I agree with boris, this is a spec issue
Bijan Parsia: I agree with boris, this is a spec issue ←
18:56:43 <jeremy> +1 to clarification
Jeremy Carroll: +1 to clarification ←
18:57:05 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:57:05 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:58:18 <evrensirin> alanr: we are not that far away from a solution
Alan Ruttenberg: we are not that far away from a solution ←
18:58:34 <evrensirin> alanr: get interested people discuss the issue
Alan Ruttenberg: get interested people discuss the issue ←
18:58:49 <evrensirin> alanr: after we have consensus that this is a spec issue
Alan Ruttenberg: after we have consensus that this is a spec issue ←
18:58:52 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall
Zakim IRC Bot: -Elisa_Kendall ←
18:59:02 <evrensirin> alanr: maybe do a straw poll
Alan Ruttenberg: maybe do a straw poll ←
18:59:13 <bijan> +1 to speccing imports
Bijan Parsia: +1 to speccing imports ←
18:59:17 <bmotik> +1
Boris Motik: +1 ←
18:59:18 <MarkusK> +1
Markus Krötzsch: +1 ←
18:59:18 <JeffP> +1 spec issue
18:59:19 <pfps> +1 part of the spec
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 part of the spec ←
18:59:21 <bcuencag> +1
18:59:21 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:59:22 <Rinke> +1 to spec
Rinke Hoekstra: +1 to spec ←
18:59:23 <evrensirin> +1 to spec
+1 to spec ←
18:59:28 <sandro> STRAWPOLL: The OWL 1.1 Spec should talk about hot to physically locate ontologies
STRAWPOLL: The OWL 1.1 Spec should talk about hot to physically locate ontologies ←
18:59:29 <jeremy> perhaps: do we want to specify how to locate local copies?
Scribe problem: the name 'perhaps' does not match any of the 20 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Bijan Parsia Rinke Hoekstra Boris Motik Ian Horrocks Alan Ruttenberg Ivan Herman Peter Patel-Schneider Elisa Kendall Sandro Hawke Evan Wallace Zhe Wu Evren Sirin Bernardo Cuenca Grau Jeremy Carroll Markus Krötzsch Unknown carsten Jeff Pan Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown perhaps: do we want to specify how to locate local copies? [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
18:59:30 <jeremy> -1
Jeremy Carroll: -1 ←
18:59:32 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
18:59:35 <ewallace> 0
Evan Wallace: 0 ←
18:59:37 <ivan> 0
Ivan Herman: 0 ←
18:59:41 <Carsten> 0
Unknown carsten: 0 ←
19:00:06 <evrensirin> ian: majority thinks this is a spec issue
Ian Horrocks: majority thinks this is a spec issue ←
19:00:09 <jeremy> (I perhaps could be persuaded by peter, since I thought I was agreeing with him)
Jeremy Carroll: (I perhaps could be persuaded by peter, since I thought I was agreeing with him) ←
19:00:18 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:00:18 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
19:00:46 <JeffP> (sorry, have to leave now - bye)
Jeff Pan: (sorry, have to leave now - bye) ←
19:00:51 <Zakim> -JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP ←
19:00:53 <alanr> bye jeff
Alan Ruttenberg: bye jeff ←
19:01:11 <Rinke> (have to leave as well...)
Rinke Hoekstra: (have to leave as well...) ←
19:01:12 <evrensirin> jeremy: it might do harm to put in spec
Jeremy Carroll: it might do harm to put in spec ←
19:01:18 <evrensirin> jeremy: better handled in tools
Jeremy Carroll: better handled in tools ←
19:01:29 <Zakim> -Rinke
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rinke ←
19:01:43 <jeremy> jeremy: that tools should be allowed to compete on non-interoperability issue
Jeremy Carroll: that tools should be allowed to compete on non-interoperability issue [ Scribe Assist by Jeremy Carroll ] ←
19:01:44 <bijan> I gave an example how OWL 1.0's specing resulted in interop problems
Bijan Parsia: I gave an example how OWL 1.0's specing resulted in interop problems ←
19:01:52 <bijan> With test cases
Bijan Parsia: With test cases ←
19:01:56 <alanr> Multiple tools use was the other
Alan Ruttenberg: Multiple tools use was the other ←
19:02:00 <bijan> (interop problem IMHO)
Bijan Parsia: (interop problem IMHO) ←
19:02:22 <bmotik> +1 to bijan
Boris Motik: +1 to bijan ←
19:02:26 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:02:26 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
19:02:31 <sandro> Sandro: I agree with Jeremy that it should be in the spec if and only if it's necessary for interoperability. So let's figure out whether it's necessary....
Sandro Hawke: I agree with Jeremy that it should be in the spec if and only if it's necessary for interoperability. So let's figure out whether it's necessary.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:02:34 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: Zakim, mute me ←
19:02:34 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
19:02:46 <bijan> see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0565.html
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Unknown see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0565.html [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
19:02:47 <evrensirin> ian: people involved will dicuss importing issue via email
Ian Horrocks: people involved will dicuss importing issue via email ←
19:03:12 <evrensirin> ian: action item for alanr, 3 weeks from now, to arrange imports discussion
Ian Horrocks: action item for alanr, 3 weeks from now, to arrange imports discussion ←
19:03:24 <evrensirin> ian: passing the chair hat back to alanr
Ian Horrocks: passing the chair hat back to alanr ←
19:03:26 <sandro> ACTION: Alan to organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks
ACTION: Alan to organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks ←
19:03:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-58 - Organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-12-26].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-58 - Organize task force on imports -- due 3 weeks [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-12-26]. ←
19:04:07 <evrensirin> alanr: go through issues
Alan Ruttenberg: go through issues ←
19:04:16 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:04:16 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
19:04:19 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 9 by pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-9 by pfps ←
19:04:29 <bcuencag> +q
19:04:49 <pfps> I have nothing to say on the issue.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I have nothing to say on the issue. ←
19:04:54 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:04:54 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:05:10 <sandro> ack bcuencag
Sandro Hawke: ack bcuencag ←
19:05:11 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:05:27 <evrensirin> alanr: bernardo. dow we want to accept this issue?
Alan Ruttenberg: bernardo. dow we want to accept this issue? ←
19:05:52 <evrensirin> bernardo: I'm not sure if this is RDFS semantics or OWL-Full semantics
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: I'm not sure if this is RDFS semantics or OWL-Full semantics ←
19:06:08 <evrensirin> bernardo: DL-Lite is a proper superset
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: DL-Lite is a proper superset ←
19:06:29 <evrensirin> bernardo: worth responding to
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: worth responding to ←
19:06:38 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 10
19:06:47 <evrensirin> +q
+q ←
19:06:52 <bmotik> I believe this is an issue: under the Full semantics, RDFS is not embeddable into any DL fragment
Boris Motik: I believe this is an issue: under the Full semantics, RDFS is not embeddable into any DL fragment ←
19:06:57 <bijan> I don't understand why we're accepting that....what document is this an issue against?
Bijan Parsia: I don't understand why we're accepting that....what document is this an issue against? ←
19:07:47 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:07:47 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
19:07:53 <Carsten> +1 alan
Unknown carsten: +1 alan ←
19:07:56 <evrensirin> alanr: reject issue 10 as duplicate of issue 22
Alan Ruttenberg: reject ISSUE-10 as duplicate of ISSUE-22 ←
19:07:56 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:08:06 <evrensirin> -q
-q ←
19:08:07 <alanr> ack evrensirin
Alan Ruttenberg: ack evrensirin ←
19:08:16 <bcuencag> zakim, mute me
Bernardo Cuenca Grau: zakim, mute me ←
19:08:16 <Zakim> bcuencag should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bcuencag should now be muted ←
19:08:30 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
19:08:30 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
19:09:56 <Zakim> -carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: -carsten ←
19:10:04 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 22
19:10:23 <evrensirin> alanr: I've come up with similar use case
Alan Ruttenberg: I've come up with similar use case ←
19:10:38 <IanH> q+
Ian Horrocks: q+ ←
19:10:38 <evrensirin> alanr: at leats two other people finds it useful
Alan Ruttenberg: at leats two other people finds it useful ←
19:10:42 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
19:10:43 <pfps> q+
19:10:47 <ivan> ack IanH
Ivan Herman: ack IanH ←
19:10:54 <evrensirin> alanr: so we can put it in the functional syntax
Alan Ruttenberg: so we can put it in the functional syntax ←
19:12:05 <bmotik> Isn't ISSUE-23 somehow subsumed by our general approach to blank nodes?
Boris Motik: Isn't ISSUE-23 somehow subsumed by our general approach to blank nodes? ←
19:12:05 <bijan> ack bijan
Bijan Parsia: ack bijan ←
19:12:05 <ivan> ack bijan
Ivan Herman: ack bijan ←
19:12:14 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:12:15 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
19:12:38 <bmotik> q+
Boris Motik: q+ ←
19:13:10 <pfps> q-
19:13:22 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:13:22 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:13:23 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, unmute me ←
19:13:23 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should no longer be muted ←
19:13:27 <ivan> ack bmotik
Ivan Herman: ack bmotik ←
19:13:48 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:13:48 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:13:50 <jeremy> (we're still on 22 not 23)
Jeremy Carroll: (we're still on 22 not 23) ←
19:14:35 <bijan> It seems crazy to me without reflection into all syntaxes
Bijan Parsia: It seems crazy to me without reflection into all syntaxes ←
19:14:39 <evrensirin> ian: by accepting an issue we are just saying ti is not crazy to discuss
Ian Horrocks: by accepting an issue we are just saying ti is not crazy to discuss ←
19:14:45 <evrensirin> alanr: accept issue 22
Alan Ruttenberg: accept ISSUE-22 ←
19:14:57 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 23
Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-23 ←
19:15:01 <jeremy> suggest merege with issue 3
Jeremy Carroll: suggest merge with ISSUE-3 ←
19:15:40 <ivan> s/merege/merge/
19:15:53 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 3 could be slightly different
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-3 could be slightly different ←
19:16:06 <evrensirin> alanr: is there anybody seconding to accept?
Alan Ruttenberg: is there anybody seconding to accept? ←
19:16:23 <evrensirin> alanr: reject issue 23 on the basis there is noone seconding
Alan Ruttenberg: reject ISSUE-23 on the basis there is noone seconding ←
19:16:41 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 24
Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-24 ←
19:17:18 <ewallace> q
Evan Wallace: q ←
19:17:52 <evrensirin> alanr: combining onotlogies that are incompatible with each other cause inconsitency
Alan Ruttenberg: combining onotlogies that are incompatible with each other cause inconsitency ←
19:17:59 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me ←
19:17:59 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted ←
19:18:05 <evrensirin> alanr: owl:backwardcompatibleWith property
Alan Ruttenberg: owl:backwardcompatibleWith property ←
19:18:05 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
19:18:15 <evrensirin> ewallace seconding issue 24
19:18:19 <evrensirin> issue 24 accepted
19:18:31 <bijan> at the face to face uli and I are tasked to work up a proposal on this front
Bijan Parsia: at the face to face uli and I are tasked to work up a proposal on this front ←
19:18:35 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 47
19:18:44 <pfps> not raised by me - instead taken from the Webont issues
Peter Patel-Schneider: not raised by me - instead taken from the Webont issues ←
19:18:49 <pfps> q+
19:18:54 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:18:54 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
19:19:09 <evrensirin> alanr: accept issue 47 based on easy keys proposal
Alan Ruttenberg: accept ISSUE-47 based on easy keys proposal ←
19:19:14 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
19:19:14 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
19:19:25 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
19:19:28 <IanH> q?
Ian Horrocks: q? ←
19:19:30 <evrensirin> pfps: this is more than easy keys, why tie it to easy keys?
Peter Patel-Schneider: this is more than easy keys, why tie it to easy keys? ←
19:19:35 <ivan> ack pfps
Ivan Herman: ack pfps ←
19:19:38 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:19:38 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
19:20:03 <pfps> ah, then OK
Peter Patel-Schneider: ah, then OK ←
19:20:18 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:20:18 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:20:30 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:20:30 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
19:20:32 <evrensirin> alanr: second bijan to accept 47
Alan Ruttenberg: second bijan to accept 47 ←
19:21:04 <evrensirin> alanr: accepted issue 47
Alan Ruttenberg: accepted ISSUE-47 ←
19:21:41 <bijan> seconded, move on
Bijan Parsia: seconded, move on ←
19:21:42 <evrensirin> alanr: moving to issue 56
Alan Ruttenberg: moving to ISSUE-56 ←
19:21:56 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 56 accepted
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-56 accepted ←
19:22:13 <Zakim> -jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy ←
19:22:21 <jeremy> oops
Jeremy Carroll: oops ←
19:22:27 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 60 regarding wine ontology
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-60 regarding wine ontology ←
19:22:34 <jeremy> a minute or two please to redial
Jeremy Carroll: a minute or two please to redial ←
19:22:35 <bmotik> Isn't this taking the political correctness a tad too far?
Boris Motik: Isn't this taking the political correctness a tad too far? ←
19:22:50 <bijan> Isn't this something for the UFDTF
Bijan Parsia: Isn't this something for the UFDTF ←
19:23:25 <Zakim> +jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: +jeremy ←
19:23:26 <pfps> is there *any* universal example?
Peter Patel-Schneider: is there *any* universal example? ←
19:23:29 <bijan> In the primer proposal peter and I are working we're exploring alternative domains
Bijan Parsia: In the primer proposal peter and I are working we're exploring alternative domains ←
19:23:30 <alanr> :)
Alan Ruttenberg: :) ←
19:23:42 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
19:23:42 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
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19:23:50 <jeremy> zakim, unmute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, unmute me ←
19:23:50 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
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19:24:06 <evrensirin> ivan: we chouls accept
Ivan Herman: we chouls accept ←
19:24:14 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
19:24:14 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
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19:24:15 <evrensirin> jeremy: I second it
Jeremy Carroll: I second it ←
19:24:23 <jeremy> zakim, mute me
Jeremy Carroll: zakim, mute me ←
19:24:23 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
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19:24:28 <ewallace> I think that the example was only used in Guide
Evan Wallace: I think that the example was only used in Guide ←
19:24:31 <evrensirin> alanr: issue 60 accepted
Alan Ruttenberg: ISSUE-60 accepted ←
19:24:57 <Zhe> happy holidays!
19:25:25 <evrensirin> alanr: let's adjourn if there is no other important issue
Alan Ruttenberg: let's adjourn if there is no other important issue ←
19:25:34 <Zakim> -bcuencag
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19:25:34 <evrensirin> alanr: next meeting in two weeks
Alan Ruttenberg: next meeting in two weeks ←
19:25:57 <bmotik> bye
Boris Motik: bye ←
19:25:57 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
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19:26:02 <Zakim> -alanr
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19:26:03 <Zakim> -jeremy
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19:26:03 <Zakim> -Zhe
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19:26:04 <Zakim> -Sandro
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19:26:04 <Zakim> -bmotik
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19:26:05 <Zakim> -bijan
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19:26:06 <Zakim> -evrensirin
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19:26:07 <Zakim> -IanH
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19:26:09 <Zakim> -MarkusK
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19:26:11 <Zakim> -Ivan
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19:26:17 <Zakim> -pfps
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19:26:19 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
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19:26:20 <Zakim> Attendees were bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy,
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were bijan, +1.312.052.aaaa, Rinke, bmotik, IanH, +1.617.253.aabb, alanr, Ivan, pfps, Elisa_Kendall, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, Zhe, evrensirin, bcuencag, MarkusK, jeremy, ←
19:26:22 <Zakim> ... carsten, JeffP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... carsten, JeffP ←
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