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17:55:46 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc ←
17:55:55 <jjc2> wrong bijan: *I* say something
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc2: wrong bijan: *I* say something ←
17:56:22 <bijan> see?
Bijan Parsia: see? ←
17:56:43 <jjc2> This dodgy connection problem again ...
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc2: This dodgy connection problem again ... ←
17:56:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:56:55 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I don't know what conference this is ←
17:57:07 <Conrad> ScribeNick:Conrad
(Scribe set to Conrad Bock)
17:57:24 <jjc2> Zakim, this is SW_OWL
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc2: Zakim, this is SW_OWL ←
17:57:24 <Zakim> ok, jjc2; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, jjc2; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:57:39 <jjc2> Zakim, mute bijan
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc2' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc2: Zakim, mute bijan ←
17:57:39 <Zakim> sorry, jjc2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, jjc2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to bijan ←
17:57:47 <alanr> trackbot help
Alan Ruttenberg: trackbot help ←
17:57:48 <jjc> Zakim, who's on the call?
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, who's on the call? ←
17:57:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, ??P19
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, ??P19 ←
17:57:51 <alanr> akim help
Alan Ruttenberg: akim help ←
17:57:54 <alanr> zakim help
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim help ←
17:58:01 <jjc> Zakim, ??P19 is bijan
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P19 is bijan ←
17:58:01 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it ←
17:58:04 <alanr> zakim, this is owl
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, this is owl ←
17:58:04 <Zakim> alanr, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: alanr, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:58:05 <Zakim> ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, alanr; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:58:07 <bijan> zakim, this is owl
Bijan Parsia: zakim, this is owl ←
17:58:07 <Zakim> bijan, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, this was already SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:58:08 <Zakim> ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, bijan; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM ←
17:58:25 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
17:58:25 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
17:58:27 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
17:58:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted) ←
17:58:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, jjc2, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, jjc2, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
17:58:34 <bijan> can anyone here me?
Bijan Parsia: can anyone here me? ←
17:59:07 <Zakim> +MikeSmith_
Zakim IRC Bot: +MikeSmith_ ←
17:59:11 <Zakim> +??P27
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27 ←
17:59:13 <bijan> Carsten, is uli calling it with you?
Bijan Parsia: Carsten, is uli calling it with you? ←
17:59:22 <pfps> zakim, ??P27 is me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??P27 is me ←
17:59:22 <Zakim> +pfps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it ←
17:59:23 <Zakim> +Doug
Zakim IRC Bot: +Doug ←
17:59:24 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace ←
17:59:51 <Ratnesh> ratnesh from DERI
Ratnesh Sahay: ratnesh from DERI ←
18:00:01 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
18:00:04 <MartinD> zakim, ??p35 is me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, ??p35 is me ←
18:00:04 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinD; got it ←
18:01:11 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:01:11 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:01:18 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:01:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD ←
18:01:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc2, Ratnesh, jjc, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc2, Ratnesh, jjc, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:02:25 <sandro> zakim, list attendees
Sandro Hawke: zakim, list attendees ←
18:02:25 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD ←
18:02:26 <alanr> Action: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow
ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow ←
18:02:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-9 - Will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-9 - Will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [on Sandro Hawke - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:02:35 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
18:02:46 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
18:02:55 <jjc> Zakim, ??P6 is me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P6 is me ←
18:03:06 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it ←
18:03:07 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, ??P34, jjc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, ??P34, jjc ←
18:03:26 <jjc> Zakim, jjc is unknown
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, jjc is unknown ←
18:03:33 <jjc> Zakim, ??P34 is jjc
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, ??P34 is jjc ←
18:03:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:03:41 <Zakim> +unknown; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +unknown; got it ←
18:03:46 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
18:03:47 <Zakim> +jjc; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it ←
18:04:04 <jjc> Zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me ←
18:04:14 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (50%), Sandro (4%), jjc (15%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan (50%), Sandro (4%), jjc (15%) ←
18:04:16 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, who is here? ←
18:04:18 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted ←
18:04:22 <sandro> (the echo went away with jjc muted)
Sandro Hawke: (the echo went away with jjc muted) ←
18:04:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), unknown
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps (muted), Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), unknown ←
18:04:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see jjc, sandro, jjc2, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:04:40 <Zakim> +Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: +Carsten ←
18:05:09 <Carsten> zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Carsten: zakim, mute me ←
18:05:09 <Zakim> Carsten should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: Carsten should now be muted ←
18:05:11 <sandro> Ratnesh, type: "Zakim, unknown is me"
Sandro Hawke: Ratnesh, type: "Zakim, unknown is me" ←
18:05:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
18:05:34 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-05-34
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-05-34 ←
18:05:44 <pfps> q+
18:05:45 <Ratnesh> unknown is me
Ratnesh Sahay: unknown is me ←
18:05:51 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:05:51 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:05:59 <sandro> Ratnesh, you need need the leading "Zakim, "
Sandro Hawke: Ratnesh, you need need the leading "Zakim, " ←
18:06:09 <bijan> I had an email about datetypes as well which might be helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0052.html
Bijan Parsia: I had an email about datetypes as well which might be helpful: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0052.html ←
18:06:17 <sandro> q- ??P34
Sandro Hawke: q- ??P34 ←
18:06:22 <Conrad> Alan added items to the previoous agenda.
Alan added items to the previoous agenda. ←
18:06:37 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:06:37 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:06:48 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions ←
18:06:53 <Ratnesh> Zakim, unknown ia ratnesh
Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, unknown ia ratnesh ←
18:06:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unknown ia ratnesh', Ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unknown ia ratnesh', Ratnesh ←
18:07:10 <Ratnesh> Zakim, unknown is ratnesh
Ratnesh Sahay: Zakim, unknown is ratnesh ←
18:07:10 <Zakim> +ratnesh; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ratnesh; got it ←
18:07:19 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:07:19 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:07:25 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
18:07:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc (muted), ratnesh ←
18:07:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see Uli, jjc2, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Uli, jjc2, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, MartinD, pfps, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
18:07:54 <Conrad> Correction: Alan added items to the previoous minutes.
Scribe problem: the name 'Correction' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Correction: Alan added items to the previoous minutes. ←
18:08:03 <bijan> Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.07/Minutes#Summary_of_Action_Items
Scribe problem: the name 'Here' does not match any of the 45 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Here: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.11.07/Minutes#Summary_of_Action_Items [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:08:10 <sandro> Present: Carsten, Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, jjc, ratnesh
Scribe problem: the name 'Carsten' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 42 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Fabien Gandon Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Jeremy Carroll Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Martin Dzbor Michael Sintek Michael Smith Olivier Corby Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Ratnesh Sahay Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Steve Battle Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vassilis Tzouvaras Vipul Kashyap Vit Novacek Vojtech Svatek Zhe Wu
18:08:18 <sandro> zakim, make minutes
Sandro Hawke: zakim, make minutes ←
18:08:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'make minutes', sandro ←
18:08:35 <pfps> other business - the status of ISSUE-14
Peter Patel-Schneider: other business - the status of ISSUE-14 ←
18:08:44 <sandro> RRSAgent, , make minutes
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, , make minutes ←
18:08:44 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand ', make minutes', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
18:08:54 <Conrad> Discussion of how actionitems from previous action items didn't makte it into previous minutes.
Discussion of how actionitems from previous action items didn't makte it into previous minutes. ←
18:09:31 <alanr> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28
ACTION: Boris to send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 ←
18:09:31 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-10 - Send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-10 - Send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:09:40 <alanr> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3
ACTION: Boris to send an email on ISSUE-3 ←
18:09:40 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-11 - Send an email on issue 3 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-11 - Send an email on ISSUE-3 [on Boris Motik - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:09:54 <alanr> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED ←
18:09:54 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - pfps ←
18:10:33 <alanr> ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED
ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED ←
18:10:33 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-12 - Send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-12 - Send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:10:37 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:10:37 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:12:01 <bijan> Like: action: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f
Scribe problem: the name 'Like' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Like: action: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ] ←
18:12:28 <bijan> ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f
ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f ←
18:12:28 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-13 - Send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [on Ian Horrocks - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-13 - Send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [on Ian Horrocks - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:13:23 <Uli> but this email has been sent out?
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: but this email has been sent out? ←
18:13:53 <pfps> there are also lots of order issues in last week's minutes and lack of context
Peter Patel-Schneider: there are also lots of order issues in last week's minutes and lack of context ←
18:14:17 <Conrad> Discussion of minutes editing, remove "chit chat", general readability, 20-30 minutes in cleanup.
Discussion of minutes editing, remove "chit chat", general readability, 20-30 minutes in cleanup. ←
18:14:47 <bijan> I suggest we accept the uncleanuped minutes
Bijan Parsia: I suggest we accept the uncleanuped minutes ←
18:15:06 <bijan> I mean, is there anything untrue in them?
Bijan Parsia: I mean, is there anything untrue in them? ←
18:15:13 <DougL> +1
Doug Lenat: +1 ←
18:15:14 <sandro> PROPOSED: accept previous minutes, as is
PROPOSED: accept previous minutes, as is ←
18:15:14 <pfps> -1
18:15:17 <bijan> +1 to accept
Bijan Parsia: +1 to accept ←
18:15:19 <Conrad> +1
+1 ←
18:15:23 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:15:29 <Uli> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: +1 ←
18:15:30 <MikeSmith> +1 to accept previous minutes
Michael Smith: +1 to accept previous minutes ←
18:15:30 <Ratnesh> +1
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 ←
18:15:55 <pfps> status of ISSUES 13 and 14
Peter Patel-Schneider: status of ISSUES 13 and 14 ←
18:16:00 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:16:00 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:16:02 <Conrad> Vote on whether to accept uncleaned up minutes from previously.
Vote on whether to accept uncleaned up minutes from previously. ←
18:16:21 <bijan> Weren't these resolved?
Bijan Parsia: Weren't these resolved? ←
18:16:22 <sandro> Alan: Peter, is there something damaging about accepting these minutes if we agree future ones will be held to a higher standard?
Alan Ruttenberg: Peter, is there something damaging about accepting these minutes if we agree future ones will be held to a higher standard? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:16:23 <jjc> (I tend to feel that meeting mintues should be unanimous)
Unknown jjc: (I tend to feel that meeting mintues should be unanimous) ←
18:16:31 <alanr> +1
Alan Ruttenberg: +1 ←
18:16:34 <jjc> I'll side with peter if it makes this easier
Unknown jjc: I'll side with peter if it makes this easier ←
18:16:35 <ewallace> agree with Peter
Evan Wallace: agree with Peter ←
18:16:50 <Conrad> ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes
ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes ←
18:16:50 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-14 - Clean up minutes [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-14 - Clean up minutes [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:17:07 <jjc> no
Unknown jjc: no ←
18:17:21 <sandro> proposal rejected
Sandro Hawke: proposal rejected ←
18:17:45 <Conrad> Vote and discussion result: not accept uncleaned up minutes.
Vote and discussion result: not accept uncleaned up minutes. ←
18:18:51 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:18:51 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:19:51 <alanr> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/4
Alan Ruttenberg: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/4 ←
18:20:31 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:20:31 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
18:20:48 <Conrad> ACTION Sandro: to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages.
ACTION Sandro: to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages. ←
18:21:17 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
Martin Dzbor: zakim, mute me ←
18:21:17 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MartinD should now be muted ←
18:21:27 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:21:27 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:21:59 <ewallace> Peter notes that the syntax document is still missing all but its first figure
Evan Wallace: Peter notes that the syntax document is still missing all but its first figure ←
18:22:11 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:22:11 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
18:22:44 <Conrad> ACTION alan: To upload images.
ACTION alan: To upload images. ←
18:23:18 <sandro> ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document
ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document ←
18:23:18 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-15 - Upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-15 - Upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:23:26 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:23:26 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:23:37 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:23:37 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:23:39 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0283.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2007Nov/0283.html ←
18:24:13 <Conrad> Topic: April FTF
18:24:25 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:24:25 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
18:24:46 <bijan> Need a survey since most people are not on the call
Bijan Parsia: Need a survey since most people are not on the call ←
18:24:51 <Conrad> +1
+1 ←
18:24:56 <pfps> Agree on the survey
Peter Patel-Schneider: Agree on the survey ←
18:24:58 <pfps> +1
18:25:03 <sandro> +1 tthese days are fine for me
Sandro Hawke: +1 tthese days are fine for me ←
18:25:12 <ewallace> Alan asks if people can make first wk in April for FTF2
Evan Wallace: Alan asks if people can make first wk in April for FTF2 ←
18:25:29 <ewallace> +1
Evan Wallace: +1 ←
18:25:40 <pfps> wiki page looks good to me
Peter Patel-Schneider: wiki page looks good to me ←
18:25:43 <Ratnesh> +1 days are fine
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 days are fine ←
18:25:58 <MikeSmith> + dates are fine
Michael Smith: + dates are fine ←
18:26:20 <pfps> and send email, I guess
Peter Patel-Schneider: and send email, I guess ←
18:26:24 <Conrad> ACTION peter: post survey on April FTF dates.
ACTION peter: post survey on April FTF dates. ←
18:26:36 <Uli> 0 on the dates
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: 0 on the dates ←
18:26:47 <alanr> 0?
Alan Ruttenberg: 0? ←
18:27:11 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:27:11 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:27:19 <Uli> 0= i am not sure yet, but i am afraid that i won't be able to make them
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: 0= i am not sure yet, but i am afraid that i won't be able to make them ←
18:27:26 <sandro> ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it.
ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. ←
18:27:26 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-16 - Make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-16 - Make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [on Peter Patel-Schneider - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:27:35 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:27:35 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:27:56 <pfps> +1 to accept :-)
Peter Patel-Schneider: +1 to accept :-) ←
18:28:08 <bijan> +1 to accept
Bijan Parsia: +1 to accept ←
18:28:17 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:28:17 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:28:19 <MikeSmith> +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)
Michael Smith: +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37) ←
18:28:25 <Ratnesh> +1 to accept
Ratnesh Sahay: +1 to accept ←
18:28:25 <Conrad> Alan surveys on accepting five issues in agenda
Alan surveys on closeing five issues in agenda ←
18:28:28 <jeremy> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
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Unknown jeremy: +1 ←
18:28:35 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
18:28:35 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:28:36 <MartinD> +1
Martin Dzbor: +1 ←
18:28:38 <pfps> s/accept/close/
18:28:39 <DougL> +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37)
Doug Lenat: +1 to accept editorial issues (6,7,27,33,37) ←
18:28:45 <alanr> ZAKIM, who is on the call?
Alan Ruttenberg: ZAKIM, who is on the call? ←
18:28:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), jeremy (muted), ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), jeremy (muted), ratnesh ←
18:28:52 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:28:52 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:28:56 <jeremy> (I have fixed scribe conventions page wrt :)
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Unknown jeremy: (I have fixed scribe conventions page wrt :) ←
18:29:00 <Uli> +1
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Unknown Uli: +1 ←
18:29:05 <jeremy> wrt colon)
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Unknown jeremy: wrt colon) ←
18:29:40 <Conrad> Resolved: Close issues 6,7,27,33,37 based on Peter's changes.
RESOLVED: Close issues 6,7,27,33,37 based on Peter's changes. ←
18:30:29 <Conrad> Topic: Datatype issues not in n-ary discussion
18:30:43 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/29
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/issues/29 ←
18:31:12 <jeremy> q+
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Unknown jeremy: q+ ←
18:31:13 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:31:13 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:31:16 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:31:17 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
18:31:17 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted ←
18:31:32 <jeremy> I do
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Unknown jeremy: I do ←
18:32:01 <jeremy> ack me
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Unknown jeremy: ack me ←
18:32:26 <alanr> ack pfps
Alan Ruttenberg: ack pfps ←
18:32:32 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:32:42 <Uli> ...jeremy, i can barely understand you, you sound "muffled"?
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Unknown Uli: ...jeremy, i can barely understand you, you sound "muffled"? ←
18:33:05 <bijan> Really?!?!?
Bijan Parsia: Really?!?!? ←
18:33:18 <bijan> What part of the rdf document forbids that?
Bijan Parsia: What part of the rdf document forbids that? ←
18:33:36 <jeremy> ACTION jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different
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Unknown jeremy: ACTION jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different ←
18:33:58 <Conrad> Action: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different
ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different ←
18:33:58 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jeremy
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - jeremy ←
18:34:27 <DougL> Someone has their mike on, and it's causing a delayed feedback... please turn it off
Doug Lenat: Someone has their mike on, and it's causing a delayed feedback... please turn it off ←
18:35:16 <sandro> jeremy, could you please mute, due to echo?
Sandro Hawke: jeremy, could you please mute, due to echo? ←
18:35:25 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
18:35:25 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:35:27 <DougL> or switch to nonspeakerphone
Doug Lenat: or switch to nonspeakerphone ←
18:35:35 <DougL> thanks
Doug Lenat: thanks ←
18:35:38 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:35:38 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:35:52 <jeremy> (feel free to mute me on my behalf if I forget)
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Unknown jeremy: (feel free to mute me on my behalf if I forget) ←
18:35:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:35:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:36:44 <Conrad> Bijan: Using XML Schema's namespace requires doing in a way they can accept. In particular, need approval for using their namespace.
Bijan Parsia: Using XML Schema's namespace requires doing in a way they can accept. In particular, need approval for using their namespace. ←
18:38:00 <Conrad> Bijan: A URI is different from a qualified name. Only true in RDF land.
Bijan Parsia: A URI is different from a qualified name. Only true in RDF land. ←
18:38:20 <sandro> Bijan: A qname is *not* an abbreviation for a URI. It is a pair.
Bijan Parsia: A qname is *not* an abbreviation for a URI. It is a pair. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:38:48 <sandro> Bijan: Concatenation is sanction by the RDF specs, for use in RDF -- but not widely accepted in XML.
Bijan Parsia: Concatenation is sanction by the RDF specs, for use in RDF -- but not widely accepted in XML. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:39:25 <jeremy> +1 to giving XML Schema WG some say
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Unknown jeremy: +1 to giving XML Schema WG some say ←
18:39:30 <sandro> Bijan: If we're introducing an alternative serialization for XSD definitions, then XML Schema WG should be involved.
Bijan Parsia: If we're introducing an alternative serialization for XSD definitions, then XML Schema WG should be involved. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:40:19 <sandro> Alan: One issue is polutiong (squatting) a namespace. Another is using a term the namespace publisher has defined.
Alan Ruttenberg: One issue is polutiong (squatting) a namespace. Another is using a term the namespace publisher has defined. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:40:41 <sandro> Peter: Yes, but XSD-WG did not define minInclusive, etc, as being in this namespace.
Peter Patel-Schneider: Yes, but XSD-WG did not define minInclusive, etc, as being in this namespace. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:41:00 <alanr> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0043.html
Alan Ruttenberg: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2007Sep/0043.html ←
18:41:47 <Conrad> Bijan: Can't use existing element as attribute or vice-versa.
Bijan Parsia: Can't use existing element as attribute or vice-versa. ←
18:42:01 <sandro> Bijan: I think there's a syntax issue here, too, eg using minInclusive as an attribute when it's defined as an element, or some such.
Bijan Parsia: I think there's a syntax issue here, too, eg using minInclusive as an attribute when it's defined as an element, or some such. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
18:42:32 <Conrad> Bijan; You can derive a URI from a qname, but the XML WG might not approve of the URI.
Bijan; You can derive a URI from a qname, but the XML WG might not approve of the URI. ←
18:42:50 <alanr> even if they have defined the qname and used it
Alan Ruttenberg: even if they have defined the qname and used it ←
18:43:19 <pfps> there is a tag issue on this http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
Peter Patel-Schneider: there is a tag issue on this http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/issues.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6 ←
18:44:12 <alanr> Mike Smith is Liason to the XML Schema working group
Alan Ruttenberg: Mike Smith is Liason to the XML Schema working group ←
18:44:16 <Carsten> After the discussion we had on of n-ary datatypes, I actually believe that using XML Schema for defining
Unknown Carsten: After the discussion we had on of n-ary datatypes, I actually believe that using XML Schema for defining ←
18:44:17 <Carsten> datatypes is a very bad idea in general, i.e., *also for unary datatypes*. I am not sure, though, whether it
Unknown Carsten: datatypes is a very bad idea in general, i.e., *also for unary datatypes*. I am not sure, though, whether it ←
18:44:19 <Carsten> makes sense to bring this up now. I will write a mail.
Unknown Carsten: makes sense to bring this up now. I will write a mail. ←
18:44:52 <Conrad> Action: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG
ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG ←
18:44:52 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike ←
18:45:10 <Conrad> Action: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG
ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG ←
18:45:10 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - MikeSmith
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - MikeSmith ←
18:45:42 <bijan> I can't find the translation to RDF of the datatype facets
Bijan Parsia: I can't find the translation to RDF of the datatype facets ←
18:46:15 <sandro> Action: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG
ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG ←
18:46:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-17 - Take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [on Michael Smith - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-17 - Take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [on Michael Smith - due 2007-11-21]. ←
18:46:22 <jeremy> fine
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Unknown jeremy: fine ←
18:46:37 <bijan> Ah, table 5
Bijan Parsia: Ah, table 5 ←
18:46:50 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:46:50 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted ←
18:46:59 <Conrad> Action: Jeremy to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type
ACTION: Jeremy to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type ←
18:46:59 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Jeremy ←
18:47:24 <alanr> mike will spawn new issue, jeremy will add note to issue 29 saying it it narrower
Alan Ruttenberg: mike will spawn new issue, jeremy will add note to ISSUE-29 saying it it narrower ←
18:47:42 <Conrad> Topic: Issue 31
18:47:48 <sandro> Action: Carroll to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type
ACTION: Carroll to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type ←
18:47:48 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Carroll
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Carroll ←
18:47:58 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:47:58 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:48:01 <sandro> trackbot-ng, list users
Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, list users ←
18:48:08 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:48:08 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:48:17 <pfps> zakim, mute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me ←
18:48:17 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was already muted, pfps ←
18:48:17 <sandro> trackbot-ng, help
Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, help ←
18:48:17 <trackbot-ng> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)
Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link) ←
18:48:23 <bijan> Did XML schema ever finish component designators?
Bijan Parsia: Did XML schema ever finish component designators? ←
18:48:55 <sandro> trackbot-ng, status
Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, status ←
18:49:10 <bijan> q+
Bijan Parsia: q+ ←
18:49:15 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
18:49:15 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
18:49:19 <Uli> jeremy, i still can't understand you
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Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: jeremy, i still can't understand you ←
18:49:41 <bijan> q-
Bijan Parsia: q- ←
18:49:46 <bijan> q+ to say we should pick a winner
Bijan Parsia: q+ to say we should pick a winner ←
18:49:52 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
18:49:52 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
18:49:54 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
18:49:54 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should now be muted ←
18:50:39 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'jeremy' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me ←
18:50:39 <Zakim> jeremy should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy should no longer be muted ←
18:50:43 <Conrad> Alan: We can define datatypes in XML, and if we lefft everything alone, could import documents with XML datatypes. WOuld be annoying because of one file per datatype.
Alan Ruttenberg: We can define datatypes in XML, and if we lefft everything alone, could import documents with XML datatypes. WOuld be annoying because of one file per datatype. ←
18:50:52 <Uli> it's an option, but do we need to take their semantics?
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Unknown Uli: it's an option, but do we need to take their semantics? ←
18:50:53 <ewallace> datatypes could be defined in one document
Evan Wallace: datatypes could be defined in one document ←
18:51:15 <Conrad> Jeremy: Can put multiple datatypes on same file with different ID's.
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Unknown Jeremy: Can put multiple datatypes on same file with different ID's. ←
18:51:23 <Uli> i.e., do we need to take the XSD semantics as well if we use their datatypes?
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Unknown Uli: i.e., do we need to take the XSD semantics as well if we use their datatypes? ←
18:51:27 <pfps> yes, that would assume that we take the XSD semantics - of course, we could restrict the allowable syntax (I guess)
Peter Patel-Schneider: yes, that would assume that we take the XSD semantics - of course, we could restrict the allowable syntax (I guess) ←
18:51:30 <bijan> WE already do :)
Bijan Parsia: WE already do :) ←
18:51:55 <bijan> perhaps the liaison should ask
Bijan Parsia: perhaps the liaison should ask ←
18:52:05 <bijan> I'm on the queue
Bijan Parsia: I'm on the queue ←
18:52:15 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
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18:52:24 <bijan> ack me
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18:52:25 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to say we should pick a winner
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18:52:36 <alanr> q?
Alan Ruttenberg: q? ←
18:54:10 <ewallace> -1 on not allowing use of outside defined xml datatypes if we are using the syntax
Evan Wallace: -1 on not allowing use of outside defined xml datatypes if we are using the syntax ←
18:54:32 <jeremy> yes, I agree with Bijan too
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Unknown jeremy: yes, I agree with Bijan too ←
18:54:39 <pfps> I don't see much need to either point to external XSD documents or reuse the XSD syntax
Peter Patel-Schneider: I don't see much need to either point to external XSD documents or reuse the XSD syntax ←
18:54:44 <Conrad> Bijan: Need both inlining and referencing datatypes.
Bijan Parsia: Need both inlining and referencing datatypes. ←
18:55:09 <jeremy> q+ to suggest way forward
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Unknown jeremy: q+ to suggest way forward ←
18:55:17 <ewallace> if we use the XML syntax people are going to expect to be able to reuse XML datatypes
Evan Wallace: if we use the XML syntax people are going to expect to be able to reuse XML datatypes ←
18:55:21 <pfps> If we do use the XSD syntax, then there is no reason not to allow pointing to external XSD documents
Peter Patel-Schneider: If we do use the XSD syntax, then there is no reason not to allow pointing to external XSD documents ←
18:55:46 <jeremy> ack me
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Unknown jeremy: ack me ←
18:55:47 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to suggest way forward
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18:56:07 <Conrad> Bijan: WOuld rather have one way of referencing datatypes.
Bijan Parsia: WOuld rather have one way of referencing datatypes. ←
18:56:11 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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18:56:33 <Conrad> Jeremy: Final document does have one way (picks a winner).
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Unknown Jeremy: Final document does have one way (picks a winner). ←
18:57:14 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
18:57:32 <bijan> -1 to not solving it even if XML Schema fails
Bijan Parsia: -1 to not solving it even if XML Schema fails ←
18:58:09 <Conrad> Alan: Would be good to settle ourrequirements on this.
Alan Ruttenberg: Would be good to settle ourrequirements on this. ←
18:58:34 <pfps> it's not that we don't need the datatypes, it's that I don't think that we *need* the syntax
Peter Patel-Schneider: it's not that we don't need the datatypes, it's that I don't think that we *need* the syntax ←
18:58:44 <jeremy> Zakim, unmute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, unmute me ←
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18:58:45 <Conrad> Alan: Heard four opinions on requirements so far.
Alan Ruttenberg: Heard four opinions on requirements so far. ←
18:58:48 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
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18:58:51 <bijan> Submission doesn't make a choice
Bijan Parsia: Submission doesn't make a choice ←
18:59:01 <pfps> no mechanism for datatype import in OWL 1.1
Peter Patel-Schneider: no mechanism for datatype import in OWL 1.1 ←
18:59:23 <ewallace> No.
Evan Wallace: No. ←
18:59:23 <Conrad> Peter: No mechanism for datatype import in the member submission.
Peter Patel-Schneider: No mechanism for datatype import in the member submission. ←
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18:59:32 <jeremy> I think the BP WG Note should be on the table
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Unknown jeremy: I think the BP WG Note should be on the table ←
18:59:58 <ewallace> q+
Evan Wallace: q+ ←
19:00:07 <alanr> ack alanr
Alan Ruttenberg: ack alanr ←
19:00:12 <Conrad> Alan; Any objection to discussion on email on requirements?
Alan; Any objection to discussion on email on requirements? ←
19:00:19 <jeremy> jena uses that too
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Unknown jeremy: jena uses that too ←
19:00:33 <jeremy> (that = DAML+OIL soln as documented in SWBP WG Note)
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Unknown jeremy: (that = DAML+OIL soln as documented in SWBP WG Note) ←
19:00:38 <Conrad> Bijan: No bias in sub mission against importing.
Bijan Parsia: No bias in sub mission against importing. ←
19:00:42 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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19:00:42 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
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19:01:16 <Conrad> Evan: MIght as well use best practices, otherwise fall bak to inline.
Evan Wallace: MIght as well use best practices, otherwise fall bak to inline. ←
19:01:23 <bijan> Some is better than none
Bijan Parsia: Some is better than none ←
19:01:50 <pfps> where is the DAML+OIL solution?
Peter Patel-Schneider: where is the DAML+OIL solution? ←
19:01:58 <Conrad> Alan: Agreement to discuss on mailing list?
Alan Ruttenberg: Agreement to discuss on mailing list? ←
19:02:03 <jeremy> In a version of BP note, maybe one before last
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Unknown jeremy: In a version of BP note, maybe one before last ←
19:02:16 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-daml-soln
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-swbp-xsch-datatypes-20050427/#sec-daml-soln ←
19:02:22 <jeremy> q+ to note status
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Unknown jeremy: q+ to note status ←
19:02:28 <jeremy> ack me
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Unknown jeremy: ack me ←
19:02:30 <Zakim> jeremy, you wanted to note status
Zakim IRC Bot: jeremy, you wanted to note status ←
19:02:37 <ewallace> q-
Evan Wallace: q- ←
19:02:40 <Conrad> Action: Mike to lead discussion on this.
ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this. ←
19:02:40 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Mike ←
19:03:09 <MikeSmith> conrad, I think it will work if you use Smith
Michael Smith: conrad, I think it will work if you use Smith ←
19:03:25 <bijan> I would rather datatype identification be in a spec, near the inline syntax for user defined datatype, but that's fine
Bijan Parsia: I would rather datatype identification be in a spec, near the inline syntax for user defined datatype, but that's fine ←
19:03:41 <alanr> q+
Alan Ruttenberg: q+ ←
19:03:45 <alanr> q-
Alan Ruttenberg: q- ←
19:03:55 <bijan> +1 to getting info from XML Schema WG
Bijan Parsia: +1 to getting info from XML Schema WG ←
19:03:59 <bijan> zakim, mute me
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19:03:59 <Zakim> bijan was already muted, bijan
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19:04:05 <Conrad> Mike, I tried that earlier.
Mike, I tried that earlier. ←
19:04:13 <jeremy> Zakim, mute me
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Unknown jeremy: Zakim, mute me ←
19:04:13 <Zakim> jeremy should now be muted
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19:04:20 <ewallace> some bits of the issues Jeremy has brought up with n-ary datatype are also in the BP note
Evan Wallace: some bits of the issues Jeremy has brought up with n-ary datatype are also in the BP note ←
19:05:23 <ewallace> so this needs to be reviewed before this were to be published by us
Evan Wallace: so this needs to be reviewed before this were to be published by us ←
19:05:51 <ewallace> I would like to be included in the datatypes discussion group
Evan Wallace: I would like to be included in the datatypes discussion group ←
19:05:54 <bijan> What about XML SCheam syntax?
Bijan Parsia: What about XML SCheam syntax? ←
19:06:07 <jeremy> (I think I am done, but I am happy for others to continue)
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Unknown jeremy: (I think I am done, but I am happy for others to continue) ←
19:06:19 <jeremy> no opinion
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Unknown jeremy: no opinion ←
19:06:23 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
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19:06:28 <Conrad> Clarification of Mike's last action: to convene half-hour telecon on data types issue
Clarification of Mike's last action: to convene half-hour telecon on data types issue ←
19:06:30 <pfps> zakim, mute me
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19:06:30 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
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19:06:35 <Uli> I would like to be included in the datatype sub-group discussion, too
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Unknown Uli: I would like to be included in the datatype sub-group discussion, too ←
19:06:51 <Conrad> Alan scribing
Alan scribing ←
19:06:55 <Zakim> -Conrad
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19:07:19 <pfps> zakim, mute me
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19:07:19 <Zakim> pfps was already muted, pfps
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19:07:37 <Carsten> I would also like to be in the datatype group
Unknown Carsten: I would also like to be in the datatype group ←
19:07:41 <Zakim> -jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: -jeremy ←
19:07:58 <alanr> topic: Ontology elements.
19:08:22 <alanr> suggested in the xml syntax have a mandatory uri on the ontology
Alan Ruttenberg: suggested in the xml syntax have a mandatory uri on the ontology ←
19:08:28 <MikeSmith> for xml schema discussion, I will use the minutes to co-ordinate info, if anyone else wants to be include, be sure to chime in here
Michael Smith: for xml schema discussion, I will use the minutes to co-ordinate info, if anyone else wants to be include, be sure to chime in here ←
19:08:32 <pfps> what happens with local names if you don't have an ontology name?
Peter Patel-Schneider: what happens with local names if you don't have an ontology name? ←
19:08:34 <alanr> relax that proposition
Alan Ruttenberg: relax that proposition ←
19:08:55 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
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19:08:55 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted
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19:09:51 <pfps> ah, right, currently in OWL 1.1 there are no relative IRIs
Peter Patel-Schneider: ah, right, currently in OWL 1.1 there are no relative IRIs ←
19:11:15 <sandro> (sorry, do we have a scribe...?)
Sandro Hawke: (sorry, do we have a scribe...?) ←
19:11:23 <bijan> No
Bijan Parsia: No ←
19:11:40 <sandro> scribenick: alan
(Scribe set to Alan Ruttenberg)
19:12:07 <alanr> alan raises imports processing issues in relations
alan raises imports processing issues in relations ←
19:12:25 <sandro> Bijan: Tools should not use the Ontology Name to check for inclusion cycles.
Bijan Parsia: Tools should not use the Ontology Name to check for inclusion cycles. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:12:30 <Zakim> -MartinD
Zakim IRC Bot: -MartinD ←
19:12:35 <sandro> Alan: but protege-4 does that.
Alan Ruttenberg: but protege-4 does that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:12:45 <sandro> Bijan: I think that's a bug
Bijan Parsia: I think that's a bug [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:12:59 <sandro> Alan: Matthew believes it's right, I think....
Alan Ruttenberg: Matthew believes it's right, I think.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:13:35 <sandro> Alan: And it's not that he's confused. He's sure his approach is right.
Alan Ruttenberg: And it's not that he's confused. He's sure his approach is right. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:14:03 <sandro> Alan: If this issue can proceed independently, something something something.
Alan Ruttenberg: If this issue can proceed independently, something something something. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:14:23 <sandro> Bijan: Definition of ontology closure can be separated from ontology naming.
Bijan Parsia: Definition of ontology closure can be separated from ontology naming. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:14:27 <alanr> the basic issue is what happens when you say owl:imports "foo"
the basic issue is what happens when you say owl:imports "foo" ←
19:14:52 <sandro> Bijan: We could just use XML Include, and things would come out pretty much the same.
Bijan Parsia: We could just use XML Include, and things would come out pretty much the same. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:15:27 <sandro> Bijan: If nothing else is different other than the ontology name.... I don't know what one would make of that.
Bijan Parsia: If nothing else is different other than the ontology name.... I don't know what one would make of that. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:15:46 <sandro> Bijan: Import closure reaches a fixpoint when doing more imports doesn't add anything.
Bijan Parsia: Import closure reaches a fixpoint when doing more imports doesn't add anything. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:16:14 <sandro> Alan: Your defining an import-processing-model, calling in 'include', in which the ontology name doesn't matter.
Alan Ruttenberg: Your defining an import-processing-model, calling in 'include', in which the ontology name doesn't matter. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:16:17 <pfps> in OWL 1.0 the ontology name doesn't matter
Peter Patel-Schneider: in OWL 1.0 the ontology name doesn't matter ←
19:16:26 <pfps> in OWL 1.1 the ontology name does matter
Peter Patel-Schneider: in OWL 1.1 the ontology name does matter ←
19:16:32 <pfps> zakim, unmute me
Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me ←
19:16:32 <Zakim> pfps was not muted, pfps
Zakim IRC Bot: pfps was not muted, pfps ←
19:16:54 <sandro> Peter: in 1.0 import is defined completely independently of ontology names.
Peter Patel-Schneider: in 1.0 import is defined completely independently of ontology names. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:17:13 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:17:13 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:17:15 <bijan> REALLY!?!??!!
Bijan Parsia: REALLY!?!??!! ←
19:17:21 <sandro> Peter: in 1.1, it's completely different. [ some O....O' definition ]
Peter Patel-Schneider: in 1.1, it's completely different. [ some O....O' definition ] [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:17:24 <bijan> Omg, OWL 1.1 is broken there
Bijan Parsia: Omg, OWL 1.1 is broken there ←
19:17:42 <sandro> Alan: If one wants to sign the ontology, ....
Alan Ruttenberg: If one wants to sign the ontology, .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:17:48 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is here? ←
19:17:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Carsten (muted), Alan, Sandro, bijan (muted), MikeSmith, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, ratnesh ←
19:17:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see pfps, jeremy, Uli, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, bijan, trackbot-ng
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see pfps, jeremy, Uli, sandro, Ratnesh, RRSAgent, Zakim, MikeSmith, DougL, alanr, Carsten, Conrad, ewallace, bijan, trackbot-ng ←
19:17:52 <bijan> """An ontology O directly imports an ontology O' if O contains an import declaration whose value is the ontology URI of O'."""
Bijan Parsia: """An ontology O directly imports an ontology O' if O contains an import declaration whose value is the ontology URI of O'.""" ←
19:18:10 <sandro> Peter: I'm not saying what it should be, I'm saying what 1.1 says.
Peter Patel-Schneider: I'm not saying what it should be, I'm saying what 1.1 says. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:18:10 <bijan> I see why matthew was confused
Bijan Parsia: I see why matthew was confused ←
19:18:22 <bijan> Because OWL 1.1 got it wrong :)
Bijan Parsia: Because OWL 1.1 got it wrong :) ←
19:18:43 <sandro> Let's deprecate owl:imports!!!!!!!!!!
Sandro Hawke: Let's deprecate owl:imports!!!!!!!!!! ←
19:19:00 <bijan> +1 to xml:include
Bijan Parsia: +1 to xml:include ←
19:19:02 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/direct.html#3.4
Bijan Parsia: http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/direct.html#3.4 ←
19:19:18 <bijan> Aside from this local meaning, an owl:imports annotation also imports the contents of another OWL ontology into the current ontology. The imported ontology is the one, if any, that has as name the argument of the imports construct. (This treatment of imports is divorced from Web issues. The intended use of names for OWL ontologies is to make the name be the location of the ontology on the Web, but this is outside of this formal treatment.)
Bijan Parsia: Aside from this local meaning, an owl:imports annotation also imports the contents of another OWL ontology into the current ontology. The imported ontology is the one, if any, that has as name the argument of the imports construct. (This treatment of imports is divorced from Web issues. The intended use of names for OWL ontologies is to make the name be the location of the ontology on the Web, but this is outside of this formal treatment.) ←
19:19:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me ←
19:19:28 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted ←
19:19:31 <sandro> Alan: there is a requirement from users that people be able to sign their ontologies, include metadata, include versioning, ....
Alan Ruttenberg: there is a requirement from users that people be able to sign their ontologies, include metadata, include versioning, .... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:19:38 <ewallace> Alan notes a common requirement to annotate ontologies with metadata such as author
Evan Wallace: Alan notes a common requirement to annotate ontologies with metadata such as author ←
19:19:55 <sandro> Bijan: The 1.1 defn is a bug because it's less-liberal than 1.0, so it's not backward compatible.
Bijan Parsia: The 1.1 defn is a bug because it's less-liberal than 1.0, so it's not backward compatible. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:20:18 <sandro> MikeSmith, when you use "/me" like that, it's left out of the IRC log.
Sandro Hawke: MikeSmith, when you use "/me" like that, it's left out of the IRC log. ←
19:20:24 <pfps> an email on problems with OWL 1.0 imports would be useful
Peter Patel-Schneider: an email on problems with OWL 1.0 imports would be useful ←
19:21:04 <sandro> Bijan: I think we should align the current specs with OWL 1.1
Bijan Parsia: I think we should align the current specs with OWL 1.1 [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:21:25 <sandro> Bijan: ... and then think about a deeper redesign, eg using XML Include.
Bijan Parsia: ... and then think about a deeper redesign, eg using XML Include. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:21:35 <ewallace> Alan proposes a breakout session at F2F1 where we can meet with Alan Rector, etc and talk about reqs
Evan Wallace: Alan proposes a breakout session at F2F1 where we can meet with Alan Rector, etc and talk about reqs ←
19:21:38 <sandro> Alan: I don't know anyone who like owl:import as is.
Alan Ruttenberg: I don't know anyone who like owl:import as is. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:21:57 <ewallace> and possible designs to address them
Evan Wallace: and possible designs to address them ←
19:21:59 <MikeSmith> I note (to be logged) that xml:include may be a path to datatype import as well. Something to revisit.
Michael Smith: I note (to be logged) that xml:include may be a path to datatype import as well. Something to revisit. ←
19:22:20 <Uli> sounds good
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: sounds good ←
19:22:52 <alanr> Action: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list
ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list ←
19:22:52 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-18 - Brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-18 - Brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21]. ←
19:23:20 <sandro> Peter: should rich annotations be on the agenda at F2F1?
Peter Patel-Schneider: should rich annotations be on the agenda at F2F1? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
19:23:40 <bijan> I believe alan rector is only available on the first day, but I shall check
Bijan Parsia: I believe alan rector is only available on the first day, but I shall check ←
19:23:57 <bijan> Sean and Matthew are available both days
Bijan Parsia: Sean and Matthew are available both days ←
19:24:00 <bijan> zakim, mute me
Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me ←
19:24:00 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted ←
19:24:14 <alanr> Action: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f
ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f ←
19:24:14 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-19 - Include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-19 - Include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [on Alan Ruttenberg - due 2007-11-21]. ←
19:24:30 <Zakim> -Doug
Zakim IRC Bot: -Doug ←
19:24:32 <Zakim> -MikeSmith
Zakim IRC Bot: -MikeSmith ←
19:24:34 <Zakim> -bijan
Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan ←
19:24:35 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
19:24:36 <sandro> ADJOURN
Sandro Hawke: ADJOURN ←
19:24:39 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace ←
19:24:44 <Zakim> -Alan
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan ←
19:24:50 <alanr> Sandro, minutes?
Sandro, minutes? ←
19:24:51 <Uli> bye
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'Uli' does not match any of the 15 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Unknown Carsten Conrad Bock Alan Ruttenberg Sandro Hawke Bijan Parsia Michael Smith Peter Patel-Schneider Doug Lenat Evan Wallace Martin Dzbor Unknown jjc Ratnesh Sahay Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Uli: bye ←
19:24:53 <Ratnesh> Bye
Ratnesh Sahay: Bye ←
19:24:54 <Zakim> -Carsten
Zakim IRC Bot: -Carsten ←
19:25:00 <ewallace> rich annotations should be an agenda item on the next telecon
Evan Wallace: rich annotations should be an agenda item on the next telecon ←
19:25:07 <Zakim> -ratnesh
Zakim IRC Bot: -ratnesh ←
19:25:34 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended ←
19:25:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD, Carsten, ratnesh, jeremy
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Conrad, Alan, Sandro, bijan, pfps, Doug, Evan_Wallace, MikeSmith, MartinD, Carsten, ratnesh, jeremy ←
19:26:07 <alanr> rrsagent, please create the minutes
rrsagent, please create the minutes ←
19:26:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-minutes.html alanr
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-minutes.html alanr ←
19:26:36 <alanr> zakim, set logs world-visible
zakim, set logs world-visible ←
19:26:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'set logs world-visible', alanr
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'set logs world-visible', alanr ←
19:26:50 <alanr> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
rrsagent, set logs world-visible ←
19:27:19 <alanr> rrsagent, leave
rrsagent, leave ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-actions.rdf :
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 21 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-actions.rdf : ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [1]
ACTION: Sandro will check with Josh about UFDTF zakim setup for tomorrow [1] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-02-26
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-02-26 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email about issue 11 fixed and how to fix issue 28 [2]
ACTION: Boris to send an email about ISSUE-11 fixed and how to fix ISSUE-28 [2] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-31
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-31 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Boris to send an email on issue 3 [3]
ACTION: Boris to send an email on ISSUE-3 [3] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-40
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-40 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [4]
ACTION: pfps to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [4] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-54
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-09-54 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5]
ACTION: peter to send an email about your proposal collocated with OWLED [5] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-10-33
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-10-33 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [6]
ACTION: ian to send out email soliciting other proposals for the 2nd f2f [6] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-12-28
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-12-28 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes [7]
ACTION: Alan to clean up minutes [7] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-16-50
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-16-50 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sandro to to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages. [8]
ACTION: Sandro to to explain how to fix red names on wiki pages. [8] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-20-48
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-20-48 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: alan to To upload images. [9]
ACTION: alan to To upload images. [9] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-22-44
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-22-44 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [10]
ACTION: Alan to upload the rest of the inline images in the Syntax document [10] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-23-18
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-23-18 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to post survey on April FTF dates. [11]
ACTION: peter to post survey on April FTF dates. [11] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-26-24
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-26-24 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [12]
ACTION: peter to make wiki page to get feedback on dates for F2F2, and send e-mail about it. [12] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-27-26
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-27-26 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different [13]
ACTION: jeremy to show why rdfs:datatype and owl:DataRange are different [13] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-33-58
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-33-58 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [14]
ACTION: Mike to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [14] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-44-52
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-44-52 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [15]
ACTION: MikeSmith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [15] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-45-10
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-45-10 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [16]
ACTION: Smith to take the issue of URI/qname approival from XML WG [16] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-46-15
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-46-15 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeremy to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type [17]
ACTION: Jeremy to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type [17] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-46-59
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-46-59 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Carroll to edit issue 29 to deal with RDFS data type [18]
ACTION: Carroll to edit ISSUE-29 to deal with RDFS data type [18] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T18-47-48
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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this. [19]
ACTION: Mike to lead discussion on this. [19] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T19-02-40
RRSAgent IRC Bot: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T19-02-40 ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [20]
ACTION: Alan to brain dump on owl imports issue to mailing list [20] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T19-22-52
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19:27:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [21]
ACTION: Alan to include imports, possibility of annotations as subject for f2f [21] ←
19:27:19 <RRSAgent> recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/14-owl-irc#T19-24-14
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