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OWL WG Teleconference

Minutes of 17 October 2007

Present
Sandro Hawke, Bijan Parsia, Boris Motik, Achille Fokoue, Unknown Fabien, Michael Smith, Elisa Kendall, Ian Horrocks, Peter Patel-Schneider, Vipul Kashyap, Alan Ruttenberg, Unknown jjc, Jeff Pan, Markus Krötzsch, Evan Wallace
Chair
Alan Ruttenberg
Scribe
Peter Patel-Schneider
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes link
  2. Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ link
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16:49:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-irc

16:49:14 <sandro> zakim, this will be owl

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be owl

16:49:14 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see SW_OWL()1:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

16:49:50 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has now started

16:49:57 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:50:02 <sandro> Meeting: OWL Working Group
16:50:17 <sandro> Chair: Alan Ruttenberg, Ian Horrocks
16:50:34 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public

16:50:34 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39

16:50:45 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

16:50:45 <Zakim> sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bijan, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:50:52 <bijan> zakim, ??p39 is me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, ??p39 is me

16:50:52 <Zakim> +bijan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bijan; got it

16:54:03 <Zakim> +??P42

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P42

16:54:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

16:54:32 <sandro> Zakim, ??P42 is Boris

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, ??P42 is Boris

16:54:32 <Zakim> +Boris; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Boris; got it

16:54:58 <sandro> Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, IBM is temporarily Achille

16:54:58 <Zakim> +Achille; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Achille; got it

16:57:03 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg

16:57:03 <bmotik> Zakim, Boris is bmotik

Boris Motik: Zakim, Boris is bmotik

16:57:04 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bmotik; got it

16:57:05 <Zakim> + +1.301.975.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.301.975.aaaa

16:57:17 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.408.aabb

16:57:22 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan_Ruttenberg

16:57:43 <Zakim> +Elisa_Kendall

Zakim IRC Bot: +Elisa_Kendall

16:58:02 <sandro> zakm, who is here?

Sandro Hawke: zakm, who is here?

16:58:13 <Zakim> + +018652aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +018652aacc

16:58:21 <Zakim> +??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44

16:58:24 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap

16:58:28 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alan_Ruttenberg

16:58:32 <pfps> zakim, ??p44 is me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, ??p44 is me

16:58:32 <Zakim> +pfps; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pfps; got it

16:58:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

16:58:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, +1.301.975.aaaa, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, +018652aacc, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, +1.301.975.aaaa, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, +018652aacc, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg

16:59:58 <sandro> Zakim, aaaa is Fabien

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aaaa is Fabien

16:59:58 <Zakim> +Fabien; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Fabien; got it

17:00:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

17:00:19 <jjc> Zakim, IPCaller is me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, IPCaller is me

17:00:19 <Zakim> +jjc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jjc; got it

17:00:24 <sandro> Zakim, aacc is Ian

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, aacc is Ian

17:00:24 <Zakim> +Ian; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ian; got it

17:00:29 <jjc> Zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me

17:00:29 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted

17:00:29 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:00:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)

17:00:42 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:00:42 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

17:01:11 <pfps> i'll volunteer

Peter Patel-Schneider: i'll volunteer

17:01:15 <jjc> Note: I have not completed paperwork to join WG yet, technically I guess I am observer or something.

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Note' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Note: I have not completed paperwork to join WG yet, technically I guess I am observer or something. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ]

17:01:16 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

17:01:16 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

17:01:20 <pfps> zakim, mute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, mute me

17:01:20 <Zakim> pfps should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should now be muted

17:01:37 <pfps> what do I need to do to set up as scribe?

Peter Patel-Schneider: what do I need to do to set up as scribe?

17:01:48 <bijan> one sec

Bijan Parsia: one sec

17:01:53 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:01:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps (muted), Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted)

17:02:05 <Zakim> + +012242aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +012242aadd

17:02:15 <JeffP> zakim, aadd is me

Jeff Pan: zakim, aadd is me

17:02:15 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JeffP; got it

17:02:16 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

17:02:28 <bijan> Peter, see: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm

Bijan Parsia: Peter, see: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm

17:02:44 <pfps> zakim, unmute me

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, unmute me

17:02:44 <Zakim> pfps should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: pfps should no longer be muted

17:03:50 <pfps> zakim, this will be owl

Peter Patel-Schneider: zakim, this will be owl

17:03:50 <Zakim> ok, pfps, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, pfps, I see SW_OWL()1:00PM already started

17:03:59 <bijan> Here: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm

Scribe problem: the name 'Here' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Here: http://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

17:04:29 <pfps> Scribe: pfps

(Scribe set to Peter Patel-Schneider)

17:04:42 <pfps> Scribe: Peter Patel-Schneider
17:04:47 <pfps> ScribeNick: pfps
17:05:00 <pfps> Meeting: OWL WG Teleconference
17:05:00 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:05:00 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:05:07 <bijan> zakim, who's making noise

Bijan Parsia: zakim, who's making noise

17:05:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who's making noise', bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who's making noise', bijan

17:05:11 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: +Evan_Wallace

17:05:15 <bijan> zakim, noise

Bijan Parsia: zakim, noise

17:05:15 <Zakim> I don't understand 'noise', bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'noise', bijan

17:05:30 <pfps> Chair: Alan Ruttenberg
17:05:31 <jjc> Zakim, who is speaking?

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, who is speaking?

17:05:42 <Zakim> jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (100%), Ian (32%), bmotik (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (100%), Ian (32%), bmotik (4%)

17:05:50 <jjc> q+ to note I am here before joining WG

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: q+ to note I am here before joining WG

17:06:03 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),

17:06:06 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace

17:06:33 <sandro> Topic: Roll Call

1. Roll Call

17:06:34 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me

Boris Motik: Zakim, mute me

17:06:34 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bmotik should now be muted

17:06:38 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

17:06:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, bijan (muted), bmotik (muted), Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc (muted), JeffP, MarkusK (muted),

17:06:42 <Zakim> ... Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Evan_Wallace

17:07:17 <jjc> Zakim, uniute me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, uniute me

17:07:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'uniute me', jjc

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'uniute me', jjc

17:07:17 <JeffP> q?

Jeff Pan: q?

17:07:24 <sandro> ack jjc

Sandro Hawke: ack jjc

17:07:25 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to note I am here before joining WG

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to note I am here before joining WG

17:07:34 <FabianN> zakim, could you mute me, too?

Fabian Neuhaus: zakim, could you mute me, too?

17:07:34 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, FabianN.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, FabianN.

17:07:57 <JeffP> zakim, mute FabianN

Jeff Pan: zakim, mute FabianN

17:07:57 <Zakim> sorry, JeffP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to FabianN

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JeffP, I do not know which phone connection belongs to FabianN

17:08:07 <jjc> Zakim, mute me

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me

17:08:07 <Zakim> jjc should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc should now be muted

17:08:12 <pfps> jjc: not a member of the WG

Scribe problem: the name 'jjc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown jjc: not a member of the WG

17:08:20 <pfps> sandro: jjc is invited

Sandro Hawke: jjc is invited

17:08:23 <sandro> jjc is Jeremy Carroll of HP

Sandro Hawke: jjc is Jeremy Carroll of HP

17:08:23 <FabianN> zakim, mute me

Fabian Neuhaus: zakim, mute me

17:08:23 <Zakim> sorry, FabianN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, FabianN, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

17:08:31 <pfps> Topic: Agenda amendments

2. Agenda amendments

17:08:51 <pfps> ianh: no amendments

Ian Horrocks: no amendments

17:09:04 <pfps> Topc: Accept minutes

Scribe problem: the name 'Topc' does not match any of the 35 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Achille Fokoue Alan Ruttenberg Anne Cregan Bernardo Cuenca Grau Bijan Parsia Boris Motik Conrad Bock Deborah McGuinness Doug Lenat Elisa Kendall Enrico Franconi Evan Wallace Evren Sirin Fabian Neuhaus Giorgos Stamou Giorgos Stoilos Ian Horrocks Ivan Herman James Hendler Jeff Pan Joanne Luciano Markus Krötzsch Michael Sintek Michael Smith Pascal Hitzler Peter Patel-Schneider Rinke Hoekstra Sandro Hawke Suzette Stoutenburg Tommie Meyer Uli Sattler Vipul Kashyap Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Topc: Accept minutes

17:09:15 <sandro> Topic: Accept Minutes

3. Accept Minutes

17:09:21 <pfps> ianh: any corrections to minutes?

Ian Horrocks: any corrections to minutes?

17:09:59 <sandro> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes

PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes

17:10:11 <sandro> RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes

RESOLVED: Accept Previous Minutes: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2007.10.10/Minutes

17:10:40 <pfps> Topic: Action items status

4. Action items status

17:11:24 <pfps> alan: action1 (login alignment) still in progress

Alan Ruttenberg: ACTION-1 (login alignment) still in progress

17:11:37 <pfps> ianh: action item 2 html is possible

Ian Horrocks: action item 2 html is possible

17:11:46 <vipul> q+ login alignment

Vipul Kashyap: q+ login alignment

17:11:58 <pfps> ianh: action item 3 comments on RIF BLD done

Ian Horrocks: action item 3 comments on RIF BLD done

17:11:58 <sandro> Peter's comments <http://www.w3.org/mid/20071016.102615.212787570.pfps@research.bell-labs.com>

Sandro Hawke: Peter's comments <http://www.w3.org/mid/20071016.102615.212787570.pfps@research.bell-labs.com>

17:12:07 <pfps> Topic: Charter Review

5. Charter Review

17:12:27 <pfps> ianh: assumption is that everyone has read all the documents (including the charter)

Ian Horrocks: assumption is that everyone has read all the documents (including the charter)

17:12:50 <pfps> ianh: quick run-through of charter followed by discussion

Ian Horrocks: quick run-through of charter followed by discussion

17:13:15 <pfps> ianh: scope of WG is extensions to OWL (logic, datatypes, expressive power)

Ian Horrocks: scope of WG is extensions to OWL (logic, datatypes, expressive power)

17:13:31 <pfps> ianh: plus language fragment definition

Ian Horrocks: plus language fragment definition

17:13:44 <pfps> ianh: OWL 1.1 submission is starting point

Ian Horrocks: OWL 1.1 submission is starting point

17:14:01 <pfps> ianh: starting issue list is OWL 1.1. issue list plus postponed issues from WebOnt

Ian Horrocks: starting issue list is OWL 1.1. issue list plus postponed issues from WebOnt

17:14:09 <bijan> q+ to talk about backwards compat

Bijan Parsia: q+ to talk about backwards compat

17:14:14 <pfps> ianh: backwards compatability is important

Ian Horrocks: backwards compatability is important

17:14:35 <pfps> ianh: feature addition is to be conservative

Ian Horrocks: feature addition is to be conservative

17:14:41 <alanr> here now

Alan Ruttenberg: here now

17:15:00 <sandro> welcome, Alan-on-IRC   :-)

Sandro Hawke: welcome, Alan-on-IRC :-)

17:15:04 <alanr> zakim, mute me

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17:15:18 <bijan> Structural specification

Bijan Parsia: Structural specification

17:15:38 <pfps> ianh: deliverables (not necessary documents) - overview, requirements, formal spec (3 docs), outreach (...), test suite, language fragments

Ian Horrocks: deliverables (not necessary documents) - overview, requirements, formal spec (3 docs), outreach (...), test suite, language fragments

17:15:48 <pfps> ianh: XML exchange syntax also possible deliverable

Ian Horrocks: XML exchange syntax also possible deliverable

17:16:13 <pfps> ianh: timeline is quite tight, first documents beginning of Feb

Ian Horrocks: timeline is quite tight, first documents beginning of Feb

17:16:48 <pfps> ianh: last call august 2008, ...,

Ian Horrocks: last call august 2008, ...,

17:17:05 <pfps> ianh: first F2F is december

Ian Horrocks: first F2F is december

17:17:17 <pfps> ianh: dependencies from other workings groups (on agenda)

Ian Horrocks: dependencies from other workings groups (on agenda)

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17:17:40 <JeffP> q?

Jeff Pan: q?

17:17:41 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes

17:17:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro

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17:17:44 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:17:59 <sandro> RRSAgent, make record public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make record public

17:18:38 <alanr> question, or discussion point?

Alan Ruttenberg: question, or discussion point?

17:18:43 <pfps> bijan: backwards compability is good but not absolute

Bijan Parsia: backwards compability is good but not absolute

17:18:58 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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17:19:01 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:19:12 <bijan> q-

Bijan Parsia: q-

17:19:20 <bijan> q-

Bijan Parsia: q-

17:19:23 <alanr> q-

Alan Ruttenberg: q-

17:19:24 <pfps> ianh: let's not make a decision, but make it a case by case basis

Ian Horrocks: let's not make a decision, but make it a case by case basis

17:19:25 <sandro> q- login

Sandro Hawke: q- login

17:19:30 <sandro> q- alignment

Sandro Hawke: q- alignment

17:19:43 <alanr> a+

Alan Ruttenberg: a+

17:19:44 <alanr> q+

Alan Ruttenberg: q+

17:19:56 <bijan> This is off topic, isn't it?

Bijan Parsia: This is off topic, isn't it?

17:19:59 <pfps> vipul: multiple wikis (W3C and ESW) mean multiple logins, can they be aligned?

Vipul Kashyap: multiple wikis (W3C and ESW) mean multiple logins, can they be aligned?

17:20:08 <pfps> sandro: no

Sandro Hawke: no

17:20:29 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

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17:20:38 <jjc> q+ to suggest backward compatibility will resolve itself

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Unknown jjc: q+ to suggest backward compatibility will resolve itself

17:20:49 <IanH> ?q

Ian Horrocks: ?q

17:20:55 <sandro> Present: Sandro, Bijan, bmotik, Achille, Fabien, MikeSmith, Elisa_Kendall, Ian, pfps, Vipul_Kashyap, Alan_Ruttenberg, jjc, JeffP, MarkusK, Evan_Wallace

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17:21:00 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:21:04 <jjc> q-

Unknown jjc: q-

17:21:08 <alanr> zakim, mute me

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17:21:11 <pfps> alanr: questions on charter need resolution in the future, e.g., backwards compatability

Alan Ruttenberg: questions on charter need resolution in the future, e.g., backwards compatability

17:21:14 <alanr> q- alanr

Alan Ruttenberg: q- alanr

17:21:17 <jjc> ack

Unknown jjc: ack

17:21:22 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:21:25 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap

17:21:43 <alanr> it's in the charter already

Alan Ruttenberg: it's in the charter already

17:21:50 <alanr> no need to put it on the queue

Alan Ruttenberg: no need to put it on the queue

17:21:51 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: +Vipul_Kashyap

17:22:01 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes

17:22:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro

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17:22:12 <bijan> +1 to ianh saying "wait until backwards compt comes up to discuss it"

Bijan Parsia: +1 to ianh saying "wait until backwards compt comes up to discuss it"

17:22:25 <achille> +1 to ianh

Achille Fokoue: +1 to ianh

17:22:38 <sandro> Ian: Let's not talk about Backward Compatibility until we come up with a specific instance of a question about it?     Any objections?   No.....

Ian Horrocks: Let's not talk about Backward Compatibility until we come up with a specific instance of a question about it? Any objections? No..... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:22:39 <pfps> Topic: Deliverables

6. Deliverables

17:22:52 <bijan> I just wanted to make sure it was *open* so that we *will* have that discussion rather

Bijan Parsia: I just wanted to make sure it was *open* so that we *will* have that discussion rather

17:23:09 <pfps> sandro: w3c has software for tracking issues and action items (TRACKER)

Sandro Hawke: w3c has software for tracking issues and action items (TRACKER)

17:23:22 <sandro> trackbot-ng, help

Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng, help

17:23:22 <trackbot-ng> See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)

Trackbot IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/ for help (use the IRC bot link)

17:23:49 <alanr> zakim, unmute me

Alan Ruttenberg: zakim, unmute me

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17:23:50 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/OWL_Working_Group

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/OWL_Working_Group

17:24:10 <pfps> sandro: trackbot-ng sits on the IRC and records things

Sandro Hawke: trackbot-ng sits on the IRC and records things

17:24:29 <pfps> sandro: the owl wg home page has a pointer to the information gathered

Sandro Hawke: the owl wg home page has a pointer to the information gathered

17:25:23 <pfps> sandro: the web page allows management of actions and issues

Sandro Hawke: the web page allows management of actions and issues

17:26:18 <pfps> sandro: products (documents or tasks) are linked to issues and actions

Sandro Hawke: products (documents or tasks) are linked to issues and actions

17:26:48 <bijan> I got an email

Bijan Parsia: I got an email

17:26:55 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/

17:26:59 <bijan> With: Subject: 	ISSUE-1 (test): Test Issue

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Unknown With: Subject: ISSUE-1 (test): Test Issue [ Scribe Assist by Bijan Parsia ]

17:27:13 <bijan> I see the webpage too

Bijan Parsia: I see the webpage too

17:28:15 <pfps> sandro: using the names of issues, (actions, etc) verbatim (ALLCAPS-#) in email links them in

Sandro Hawke: using the names of issues, (actions, etc) verbatim (ALLCAPS-#) in email links them in

17:28:59 <pfps> sandro: wiki integration is not yet available (but might be coming)

Sandro Hawke: wiki integration is not yet available (but might be coming)

17:29:28 <pfps> ianh: are we going to use this?

Ian Horrocks: are we going to use this?

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17:29:46 <pfps> alan: PROPOSED: move all current issues to trackbot

Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED: move all current issues to trackbot

17:29:46 <alanr> PROPOSED Move current issues to tracker

Alan Ruttenberg: PROPOSED Move current issues to tracker

17:30:04 <pfps> sandro: there was discussion of this offline

Sandro Hawke: there was discussion of this offline

17:30:17 <pfps> bijan: let's discuss this on email

Bijan Parsia: let's discuss this on email

17:31:02 <pfps> sandro: one issue is that it would be nice to have proposed issues and accepted issues

Sandro Hawke: one issue is that it would be nice to have proposed issues and accepted issues

17:31:03 <alanr> ok. wait one week. withdraw proposed

Alan Ruttenberg: ok. wait one week. withdraw proposed

17:31:14 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

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17:31:45 <pfps> alanr: will there be an open-to-the-world issues list?

Alan Ruttenberg: will there be an open-to-the-world issues list?

17:31:51 <bijan> Isn't that what I'm sending email about?

Bijan Parsia: Isn't that what I'm sending email about?

17:32:05 <alanr> yes

Alan Ruttenberg: yes

17:32:09 <alanr> +1

Alan Ruttenberg: +1

17:32:10 <pfps> sandro: interest but no decision yet

Sandro Hawke: interest but no decision yet

17:32:26 <pfps> ianh: for next week's agenda: discuss this

Ian Horrocks: for next week's agenda: discuss this

17:32:36 <pfps> Topic: Publication Schedule

7. Publication Schedule

17:32:53 <pfps> sandro: process requirements for WGs

Sandro Hawke: process requirements for WGs

17:33:38 <sandro> Sandro: Very roughly, our job, as a W3C Working Group, is to create specifications which everyone in the world regards as "good enough".   ("Good enough", perhaps to by not worthwhile to produce a competing spec.)

Sandro Hawke: Very roughly, our job, as a W3C Working Group, is to create specifications which everyone in the world regards as "good enough". ("Good enough", perhaps to by not worthwhile to produce a competing spec.) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:33:43 <sandro> Sandro: The W3C process has evolved over the past ~13 years to help us achieve this goal.

Sandro Hawke: The W3C process has evolved over the past ~13 years to help us achieve this goal. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:33:49 <sandro> Sandro: Step 1 - we come up with a design that's a starting point; ask the world for input. (First Public Working Draft - WD1)

Sandro Hawke: Step 1 - we come up with a design that's a starting point; ask the world for input. (First Public Working Draft - WD1) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:33:55 <trackbot-ng> Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/

Trackbot IRC Bot: Tracking ISSUEs and ACTIONs from http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/

17:34:06 <sandro> Sandro: Step 2 - we iterate the design until we think it's good enough (more Working Drafts, Last Call Working Draft - LC)

Sandro Hawke: Step 2 - we iterate the design until we think it's good enough (more Working Drafts, Last Call Working Draft - LC) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:34:31 <sandro> Sandro: Step 3 - we incorporate any LC feedback to produce an even better spec, and ask for people to implement it.   (Candidate Recommendation - CR)

Sandro Hawke: Step 3 - we incorporate any LC feedback to produce an even better spec, and ask for people to implement it. (Candidate Recommendation - CR) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:35:06 <sandro> Sandro: Step 5 - once there is proof of interoperability, we incorporate feedback into another draft (Proposed Recommendation - PR)

Sandro Hawke: Step 5 - once there is proof of interoperability, we incorporate feedback into another draft (Proposed Recommendation - PR) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:35:27 <sandro> Sandro: Step 6 - the PR is evaluated by W3C members; if they approve, it becomes a Recommendation (REC).

Sandro Hawke: Step 6 - the PR is evaluated by W3C members; if they approve, it becomes a Recommendation (REC). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:35:54 <sandro> Sandro: If a problem comes up in the later stages, we may have to go back to step 2, iterating the design some more.

Sandro Hawke: If a problem comes up in the later stages, we may have to go back to step 2, iterating the design some more. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:36:11 <jjc> q+ to comment on step 6

Unknown jjc: q+ to comment on step 6

17:36:18 <alanr> qq?

Alan Ruttenberg: qq?

17:36:21 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:36:27 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me

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17:36:28 <sandro> ack Jjc

Sandro Hawke: ack Jjc

17:36:29 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to comment on step 6

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to comment on step 6

17:37:13 <pfps> jjc: step 6 is not a note, but something different involving the director

Unknown jjc: step 6 is not a vote, but something different involving the director

17:37:21 <pfps> s/note/vote
17:37:34 <pfps> sandro: no observable differences yet

Sandro Hawke: no observable differences yet

17:38:55 <pfps> sandro: there is internal consultation within the W3C staff to make decisions

Sandro Hawke: there is internal consultation within the W3C staff to make decisions

17:38:59 <jjc> Zakim, mute me

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17:39:32 <pfps> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping

17:39:48 <bijan> q+ to say we should publish earlier than F2F

Bijan Parsia: q+ to say we should publish earlier than F2F

17:40:07 <pfps> alanr: this means focussing on the core documents, not to say that the current versions are what the first working draft would be

Alan Ruttenberg: this means focussing on the core documents, not to say that the current versions are what the first working draft would be

17:40:15 <jjc> Comment: it would be more usual to publish requirements before the answers ...

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Unknown Comment: it would be more usual to publish requirements before the answers ... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ]

17:40:22 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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17:40:29 <alanr> q?

Alan Ruttenberg: q?

17:40:40 <alanr> ack bijan

Alan Ruttenberg: ack bijan

17:40:40 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to say we should publish earlier than F2F

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan, you wanted to say we should publish earlier than F2F

17:40:42 <pfps> bijan: working drafts are not commitments

Bijan Parsia: working drafts are not commitments

17:41:03 <pfps> bijan: we should publish working drafts before the F2F

Bijan Parsia: we should publish working drafts before the F2F

17:41:35 <pfps> bijan: this makes transition from webont.org to w3c space

Bijan Parsia: this makes transition from webont.org to w3c space

17:41:57 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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17:42:03 <pfps> bijan: PROPOSE making the documents as WDs ASAP

Bijan Parsia: PROPOSE making the documents as WDs ASAP

17:42:16 <bijan> yes

Bijan Parsia: yes

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17:42:34 <pfps> alanr: two steps in resolution 1/ are these docs OK for WDs, 2/ when to publish

Alan Ruttenberg: two steps in resolution 1/ are these docs OK for WDs, 2/ when to publish

17:42:53 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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17:43:01 <jjc> q+ to note requirements logically precede

Unknown jjc: q+ to note requirements logically precede

17:43:06 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

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17:43:07 <pfps> RESOLUTION: existing webont documents are first WDs (appropriately edited)

PROPOSED: existing webont documents are first WDs (appropriately edited)

17:43:08 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me

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17:43:37 <sandro> NOT RESOLVED

Sandro Hawke: NOT RESOLVED

17:43:44 <vipul> q+

Vipul Kashyap: q+

17:43:44 <pfps> s/RESOLUTION/PROPOSED/
17:43:44 <vipul> q+

Vipul Kashyap: q+

17:43:48 <bijan> zakim, mute me

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17:44:08 <IanH> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts are: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping

17:44:46 <sandro> this is as-per http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/   ?

Sandro Hawke: this is as-per http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/ ?

17:45:14 <pfps> jjc: deliverables have a requirements document, which logically should preceed the technical document

Unknown jjc: deliverables have a requirements document, which logically should preceed the technical document

17:45:16 <jjc> Requirements:

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Unknown Requirements: [ Scribe Assist by Unknown jjc ]

17:45:16 <jjc>     A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1.

Unknown jjc: A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1.

17:45:33 <sandro> ie http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/owl_specification.html   http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/semantics.html  and http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/rdf_mapping.html

Sandro Hawke: ie http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/owl_specification.html http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/semantics.html and http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/rdf_mapping.html

17:46:08 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:46:18 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan_Ruttenberg

17:46:19 <JeffP>  zakim, who is talking

Jeff Pan: zakim, who is talking

17:46:19 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', JeffP

17:46:41 <pfps> alanr: jeremy, would doing things with requirements later damage our process

Alan Ruttenberg: jeremy, would doing things with requirements later damage our process

17:46:44 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:46:47 <IanH> Note: charter says that requirements are "A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1"

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Unknown Note: charter says that requirements are "A description of the goals and requirements that have motivated the design of OWL 1.1" [ Scribe Assist by Ian Horrocks ]

17:46:49 <sandro> ack jjc

Sandro Hawke: ack jjc

17:46:49 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to note requirements logically precede

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17:47:01 <Zakim> +Alan_Ruttenberg

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17:47:35 <pfps> ianh: charter says that requirement doc is a description of how owl 1.1 was developed

Ian Horrocks: charter says that requirement doc is a description of how owl 1.1 was developed

17:47:37 <JeffP> +1 IanH

Jeff Pan: +1 IanH

17:47:52 <jjc> Zakim, mute me

Unknown jjc: Zakim, mute me

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17:47:54 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:47:55 <sandro> ack vipul

Sandro Hawke: ack vipul

17:48:14 <bijan> -1 to internal review

Bijan Parsia: -1 to internal review

17:48:26 <pfps> vipul: shouldn't there be an internal review before the WDs are published

Vipul Kashyap: shouldn't there be an internal review before the WDs are published

17:49:43 <IanH> q?

Ian Horrocks: q?

17:50:30 <pfps> vipul: my votes on other issues depend on this issue

Vipul Kashyap: my votes on other issues depend on this issue

17:50:43 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:50:43 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

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17:51:17 <pfps> bijan: first WG is first *public* WD

Bijan Parsia: first WG is first *public* WD

17:51:39 <pfps> ianh: can we move the documents to editor's drafts to have the same effect

Ian Horrocks: can we move the documents to editor's drafts to have the same effect

17:52:04 <pfps> alanr: Q1 are the three documents the ones to target for first WDs

Alan Ruttenberg: Q1 are the three documents the ones to target for first WDs

17:52:25 <sandro> PROPOSED-1 :Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping,  based closely on http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

Sandro Hawke: PROPOSED-1 :Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based closely on http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:52:26 <pfps> alanr: Q2 when should we make the three documents be WDs

Alan Ruttenberg: Q2 when should we make the three documents be WDs

17:52:32 <ekw> +q

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Unknown ekw: +q

17:53:08 <IanH> ?q

Ian Horrocks: ?q

17:53:16 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping,  based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: Structural Specification, Semantics, RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:53:55 <jjc> q+ to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/

Unknown jjc: q+ to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/

17:53:57 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping,  based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:53:58 <pfps> bijan: there was requirements work going into owl 1.1, but no doc was make

Bijan Parsia: there was requirements work going into owl 1.1, but no doc was made

17:54:08 <sandro> s/make/made
17:54:26 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:54:26 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking?

17:54:27 <pfps> bijan: putting requirements doc first would significantly delay technical work

Bijan Parsia: putting requirements doc first would significantly delay technical work

17:54:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:54:41 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (42%), Sandro (87%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 12 seconds I heard sound from the following: Alan_Ruttenberg (42%), Sandro (87%)

17:54:44 <bijan> No

Bijan Parsia: No

17:55:02 <jjc> Zakim, unmute me

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17:55:11 <sandro> Evan: Are we implying that SS fills the role of the descriptive spec?

Evan Wallace: Are we implying that SS fills the role of the descriptive spec? [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:55:36 <bijan> I do think we might evolve the structural specification toward a descriptive as well a formal specification, but that's a distinct decision.

Bijan Parsia: I do think we might evolve the structural specification toward a descriptive as well a formal specification, but that's a distinct decision.

17:55:47 <sandro> Ian: No -- we're implying that these three dovument form the technical spec

Ian Horrocks: No -- we're implying that these three document form the technical spec [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:56:11 <sandro> s/dovu/docu/
17:56:13 <sandro> q?

Sandro Hawke: q?

17:56:18 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

17:56:22 <sandro> ack ekw

Sandro Hawke: ack ekw

17:56:24 <sandro> ack jjc

Sandro Hawke: ack jjc

17:56:24 <Zakim> jjc, you wanted to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/

Zakim IRC Bot: jjc, you wanted to suggest s/will be:/will be one or more of:/

17:56:44 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one or more of: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping,  based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one or more of: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics, (3) RDF Mapping, based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:57:24 <sandro> PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics.  We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list.   These are  based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

PROPOSED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:57:32 <bijan> The current docuemnts are already hugely public. Publishing as WD does not endorse the current design. We know it will changed. We know all three will be changed. Many times.

Bijan Parsia: The current docuemnts are already hugely public. Publishing as WD does not endorse the current design. We know it will changed. We know all three will be changed. Many times.

17:57:59 <sandro> jjc: HP may object to (3), so let's make it optional.

Unknown jjc: HP may object to (3), so let's make it optional. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:58:39 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

17:58:39 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

17:58:41 <sandro> RESOLVED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics.  We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list.   These are  based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

RESOLVED: Our first working drafts, to be published before the 3-month heartbeat, will be one: (1) Structural Specification, (2) Semantics. We may include (3) RDF Mapping in this list. These are based on the text for each of these at http://www.webont.org/owl/1.1/

17:58:59 <bijan> Which discussion?

Bijan Parsia: Which discussion?

17:59:06 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap

Zakim IRC Bot: -Vipul_Kashyap

17:59:23 <bijan> +1 to proposing discussion of document roles and task forces to next week

Bijan Parsia: +1 to proposing discussion of document roles and task forces to next week

17:59:27 <bijan> q+

Bijan Parsia: q+

17:59:28 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

17:59:31 <sandro> Alan: next topic was to be authors/editors role, task areas....    I propose we put these off until next week.

Alan Ruttenberg: next topic was to be authors/editors role, task areas.... I propose we put these off until next week. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

17:59:35 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

17:59:35 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should no longer be muted

17:59:35 <Elisa> +1

Elisa Kendall: +1

17:59:40 <sandro> ack bijan

Sandro Hawke: ack bijan

17:59:44 <pfps> q?

q?

18:00:17 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:00:17 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

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18:00:18 <ekw> +1 on Bijan's suggestion for email discussion of postponed items

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Unknown ekw: +1 on Bijan's suggestion for email discussion of postponed items

18:00:21 <sandro> Bijan: When we postpone things, let's talk about it on the mailing list.

Bijan Parsia: When we postpone things, let's talk about it on the mailing list. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:00:35 <bijan> zakim, unmute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, unmute me

18:00:35 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted

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18:00:39 <sandro> Alan: I can create the draft of the next agenda early, and send that out, to help start discussion.

Alan Ruttenberg: I can create the draft of the next agenda early, and send that out, to help start discussion. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:00:50 <sandro> Bijan: It doesn't need to be the whole agenda, although that's fine.

Bijan Parsia: It doesn't need to be the whole agenda, although that's fine. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

18:00:50 <bijan> zakim, mute me

Bijan Parsia: zakim, mute me

18:00:50 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: bijan should now be muted

18:00:50 <bmotik> E-mail discussions can be tedious, though.

Boris Motik: E-mail discussions can be tedious, though.

18:00:59 <IanH> +1

Ian Horrocks: +1

18:01:05 <bijan> There's a secodn proposal

Bijan Parsia: There's a secodn proposal

18:01:18 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: -Evan_Wallace

18:01:18 <JeffP> +1 bye

Jeff Pan: +1 bye

18:01:20 <Zakim> -jjc

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18:01:23 <Zakim> -MikeSmith

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18:01:24 <MarkusK> bye

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18:01:24 <Zakim> -Fabien

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18:01:25 <sandro> decision to adjourn, as per Alan's proposal.

Sandro Hawke: decision to adjourn, as per Alan's proposal.

18:01:25 <Zakim> -Elisa_Kendall

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18:01:26 <Zakim> -bijan

Zakim IRC Bot: -bijan

18:01:27 <sandro> ADJOURN

Sandro Hawke: ADJOURN

18:01:28 <Zakim> -JeffP

Zakim IRC Bot: -JeffP

18:01:28 <Zakim> -Alan_Ruttenberg

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alan_Ruttenberg

18:01:30 <Zakim> -Ian

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ian

18:01:33 <Zakim> -MarkusK

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18:01:41 <Zakim> -bmotik

Zakim IRC Bot: -bmotik

18:01:42 <bijan> So we postpone the second decision as well?

Bijan Parsia: So we postpone the second decision as well?

18:01:42 <Zakim> -Achille

Zakim IRC Bot: -Achille

18:02:00 <sandro> I guess so, Bijan!   Oops.

Sandro Hawke: I guess so, Bijan! Oops.

18:02:09 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make minutes

18:02:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2007/10/17-owl-minutes.html sandro

18:02:25 <bijan> I was trying to unmute to point this out when everyone bailed :)

Bijan Parsia: I was trying to unmute to point this out when everyone bailed :)

18:02:56 <bijan> How about I send an email about this?

Bijan Parsia: How about I send an email about this?

18:02:59 <bijan> Since it's my proposal?

Bijan Parsia: Since it's my proposal?

18:04:08 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

18:04:12 <Zakim> -pfps

Zakim IRC Bot: -pfps

18:04:13 <Zakim> SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_OWL()1:00PM has ended

18:04:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, bijan, Achille, Alan_Ruttenberg, bmotik, +1.301.975.aaaa, Elisa_Kendall, MikeSmith, +018652aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, pfps, Fabien, jjc, Ian, +012242aadd, JeffP,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, bijan, Achille, Alan_Ruttenberg, bmotik, +1.301.975.aaaa, Elisa_Kendall, MikeSmith, +018652aacc, Vipul_Kashyap, pfps, Fabien, jjc, Ian, +012242aadd, JeffP,

18:04:16 <Zakim> ... MarkusK, Evan_Wallace

Zakim IRC Bot: ... MarkusK, Evan_Wallace

18:04:26 <sandro> I think that makes sense.

Sandro Hawke: I think that makes sense.

18:04:33 <bijan> Doing so

Bijan Parsia: Doing so



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