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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 June 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.06.29
Present
Ted Thibodeau, Arnaud Le Hors, Cody Burleson, Ashok Malhotra, Miguel Aragón, Roger Menday, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Henry Story
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Cody Burleson
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15 link
  2. Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note link
  3. we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG) link
Topics
13:57:41 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-irc

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13:57:43 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:57:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:57:45 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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13:57:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:46 <trackbot> Date: 29 June 2015
13:58:16 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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13:58:24 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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13:58:42 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

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13:58:50 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

13:58:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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13:58:57 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

13:58:57 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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13:59:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

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13:59:16 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller.a is me

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, IPcaller.a is me

13:59:16 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it

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13:59:44 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

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14:00:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:00:16 <cburleson> zakim, IPcaller is me.

Cody Burleson: zakim, IPcaller is me.

14:00:16 <Zakim> +cburleson; got it

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14:00:44 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:00:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see TallTed (muted), Arnaud, cburleson

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see TallTed (muted), Arnaud, cburleson

14:00:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, cburleson, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish_, elf-pavlik, shepazu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ashok, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, cburleson, Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish_, elf-pavlik, shepazu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves

14:01:00 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:05:28 <cburleson> scribe: cburleson

(Scribe set to Cody Burleson)

<cburleson> chair: Arnaud
<cburleson> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.06.29
<cburleson> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:05:53 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15

14:06:06 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15

14:06:14 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, I'm with cburleson

Miguel Aragón: Zakim, I'm with cburleson

14:06:14 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MiguelAraCo; got it

14:06:21 <cburleson> Minutes from last call approved (no objections).

Minutes from last call approved (no objections).

14:07:05 <Arnaud> roger, you're joining?

Arnaud Le Hors: roger, you're joining?

14:07:16 <cburleson> Topic: Next meeting

2. Next meeting

14:07:53 <cburleson> 2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks)

2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks)

14:08:06 <cburleson> Topic: Tracking of Actions & Issues

3. Tracking of Actions & Issues

14:08:41 <cburleson> Arnaud: Action 162

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-162

14:08:51 <cburleson> ... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says.

... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says.

14:09:13 <cburleson> Topic: Paging

4. Paging

14:09:36 <cburleson> Arnaud: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow.

Arnaud Le Hors: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow.

14:09:44 <cburleson> Topic: LD Patch Format

5. LD Patch Format

14:10:03 <cburleson> Arnaud: Main actors for this are not on the call.

Arnaud Le Hors: Main actors for this are not on the call.

14:10:13 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

14:11:06 <cburleson> Arnaud: I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as we did with Paging.

Arnaud Le Hors: I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as we did with Paging.

14:11:29 <cburleson> ... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be chartering right away. We only have one impl at this point.

... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be chartering right away. We only have one impl at this point.

14:11:53 <cburleson> ... It's not clear to me that this should become a recommendation.

... It's not clear to me that this should become a recommendation.

14:12:17 <cburleson> ... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it becomes a working group note right now.

... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it becomes a working group note right now.

14:12:26 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:12:26 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:12:34 <cburleson> ... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your immediate needs.

... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your immediate needs.

14:12:44 <cburleson> ... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it.

... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it.

14:13:11 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note

PROPOSED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note

14:13:17 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:13:20 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

14:13:21 <cburleson> TallTed: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words)

Ted Thibodeau: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words)

14:14:18 <cburleson> Arnaud: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note

Arnaud Le Hors: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note

14:14:24 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:14:24 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:14:47 <cburleson> +1

+1

14:15:14 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:15:15 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:15:16 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:16:03 <cburleson> Ashok: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet."

Ashok Malhotra: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet."

14:16:24 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:16:33 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note

RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note

14:16:58 <cburleson> Topic: LDP Next

6. LDP Next

14:17:57 <cburleson> Arnaud: Adre accepted to go to public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how many people would join. There were several answers, but it wasn't overwhelming.

Arnaud Le Hors: Adre accepted to go to public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how many people would join. There were several answers, but it wasn't overwhelming.

14:18:19 <cburleson> ... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a proposal to recharter?

... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a proposal to recharter?

14:18:50 <cburleson> ericP: I think we need like 20 to be sufficient.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think we need like 20 to be sufficient.

14:19:08 <cburleson> ... it looks pretty weak right now.

... it looks pretty weak right now.

14:19:27 <cburleson> Arnaud: The other option, which Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group.

Arnaud Le Hors: The other option, which Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group.

14:19:40 <cburleson> ... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member.

... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member.

14:20:31 <cburleson> ... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement on the intellectual property generated by what's created.

... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement on the intellectual property generated by what's created.

14:20:42 <cburleson> ... You cannot produce a formal recommendation.

... You cannot produce a formal recommendation.

14:21:17 <cburleson> ... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can eventually drive recommendations.

... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can eventually drive recommendations.

14:21:55 <cburleson> ... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a basic framework for communication.

... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a basic framework for communication.

14:22:15 <cburleson> ... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo

... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo

14:22:47 <cburleson> ... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should seriously consider this.

... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should seriously consider this.

14:23:14 <cburleson> ... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the Communit Group since this was his idea.

... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the Communit Group since this was his idea.

14:23:16 <Ashok> Q+

Ashok Malhotra: Q+

14:23:50 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:24:11 <Zakim> + +33.6.38.32.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.38.32.aaaa

14:24:12 <cburleson> Ashok: Do we have to write a charter?

Ashok Malhotra: Do we have to write a charter?

14:24:13 <roger> I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp

Roger Menday: I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp

14:24:25 <bblfish_> hi, sorry for being late

Henry Story: hi, sorry for being late

14:24:35 <cburleson> Arnaud: You don't have to have a charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more flexible.

Arnaud Le Hors: You don't have to have a charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more flexible.

14:25:34 <cburleson> ... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example, someone can start working on something new rather than following an explicitly set charter.

... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example, someone can start working on something new rather than following an explicitly set charter.

14:26:24 <bblfish_> I think a charter is very important

Henry Story: I think a charter is very important

14:26:29 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)

PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)

14:26:36 <bblfish_> plus an official chair voted by the members

Henry Story: plus an official chair voted by the members

14:28:08 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:28:22 <bblfish> +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support

Henry Story: +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support

14:28:31 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:28:35 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:28:47 <TallTed> +0.5

Ted Thibodeau: +0.5

14:28:51 <cburleson> +1

+1

14:29:27 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:29:27 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:29:28 <cburleson> TallTed: Explaining rational for +0.5 vote...

Ted Thibodeau: Explaining rational for +0.5 vote...

14:29:58 <cburleson> ... My experience with Community Groups has been less than stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with it.

... My experience with Community Groups has been less than stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with it.

14:30:46 <cburleson> Arnaud: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online.

Arnaud Le Hors: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online.

14:31:24 <cburleson> ... The spec was then adopted by RDF WG.

... The spec was then adopted by RDF WG.

14:31:50 <roger> +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future

Roger Menday: +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future

14:31:52 <cburleson> Arnaud: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation?

Arnaud Le Hors: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation?

14:32:18 <Ashok> Agree with Ted and Roger

Ashok Malhotra: Agree with Ted and Roger

14:32:45 <cburleson> TallTed: Community groups have now been in existence for some years, not sure they have led to any recommendations

Ted Thibodeau: Community groups have now been in existence for some years, not sure they have led to any recommendations

14:33:02 <cburleson> ... The other option is a little more push for rechartering.

... The other option is a little more push for rechartering.

14:33:16 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:33:42 <cburleson> ... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going to let it fall on the floor.

... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going to let it fall on the floor.

14:34:21 <cburleson> Arnaud: I think that is a fair concern.

Arnaud Le Hors: I think that is a fair concern.

14:34:24 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:34:30 <bblfish> Linked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton

Henry Story: Linked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton

14:35:06 <cburleson> Henry: News - there is a new LDP in Python that passes the test.

Henry Story: News - there is a new LDP in Python that passes the test.

14:35:58 <cburleson> ... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we, the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut down.

... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we, the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut down.

14:36:23 <cburleson> Zakim, who is talking

Zakim, who is talking

14:36:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is talking', cburleson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is talking', cburleson

14:36:32 <Arnaud> bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: bblfish

14:36:34 <cburleson> Zakim, who is speaking?

Zakim, who is speaking?

14:36:44 <Zakim> cburleson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (60%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cburleson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (60%)

14:36:46 <cburleson> s/Henry/bblfish/
14:39:13 <cburleson> Arnaud: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group.

Arnaud Le Hors: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group.

14:39:31 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)

RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)

14:39:35 <cburleson> ... I understand the concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to recharter.

... I understand the concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to recharter.

14:39:49 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:39:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I'm going to call it resolved.

Arnaud Le Hors: I'm going to call it resolved.

14:40:04 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:40:20 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:40:28 <cburleson> ... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG list)

... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG list)

14:40:44 <cburleson> Ashok: Is Andre going to start it?

Ashok Malhotra: Is Andre going to start it?

14:40:56 <cburleson> Arnaud: I will send Andre an email to ask him.

Arnaud Le Hors: I will send Andre an email to ask him.

14:41:19 <ericP> q+ to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks

14:41:25 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that call to make sure this gets taken care of.

Arnaud Le Hors: We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that call to make sure this gets taken care of.

14:41:25 <Arnaud> ack ericP

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP

14:41:25 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks

14:41:31 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:41:31 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:42:32 <ericP> 649 866 245

Eric Prud'hommeaux: 649 866 245

14:42:46 <cburleson> ericP: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone.

14:42:47 <ericP> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53

Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53

14:43:01 <cburleson> Arnaud: We'll still use IRC though.

Arnaud Le Hors: We'll still use IRC though.

14:43:29 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:43:44 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:44:08 <cburleson> bblfish: Any updates on HTTP Search verb?

Henry Story: Any updates on HTTP Search verb?

14:44:44 <cburleson> Ashok: ITEF meeting on the 19th or 20th and we are on the agenda.

Ashok Malhotra: IETF meeting on the 19th or 20th and we are on the agenda.

14:45:07 <Arnaud> s/ITEF/IETF/
14:45:16 <cburleson> ... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will go.

... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will go.

14:45:35 <cburleson> bblfish: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go.

Henry Story: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go.

14:45:59 <cburleson> Ashok: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish).

Ashok Malhotra: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish).

14:47:20 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:47:23 <Zakim> - +33.6.38.32.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.6.38.32.aaaa

14:47:28 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

14:47:29 <Zakim> -cburleson

Zakim IRC Bot: -cburleson

14:47:29 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:47:33 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

14:47:33 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

14:47:33 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa

<cburleson> Present: TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, bblfish
14:47:39 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

14:47:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:47:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html trackbot

14:47:42 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:47:42 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

14:47:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items

14:47:43 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

14:47:43 <Zakim> Attendees were TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa



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