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13:56:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:56:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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13:56:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:17 <trackbot> Date: 01 June 2015
13:56:51 <Arnaud> as far as I know, we don't have a webex reservation yet
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13:57:02 <Arnaud> so we're sticking to zakim at least for today
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13:57:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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13:57:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:57:53 <codyb> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
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13:57:53 <Zakim> +codyb; got it
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13:59:05 <Zakim> +deiu
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14:00:23 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:08 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, I'm with codyb
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14:01:08 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
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14:01:23 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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14:01:34 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
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14:01:35 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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14:01:39 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
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14:01:39 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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14:02:22 <Zakim> + +33.6.66.52.aaaa
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14:02:27 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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14:02:32 <Zakim> + +33.6.43.93.aabb
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14:03:32 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:03:41 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is pchampin
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14:03:41 <Zakim> sorry, Arnaud, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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14:04:13 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb bblfish
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14:04:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb bblfish', Arnaud
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14:04:25 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb is bblfish
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14:04:25 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
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14:04:39 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
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14:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see codyb, deiu, Arnaud, TallTed (muted), pchampin, Ashok_Malhotra, bblfish, Roger
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14:04:41 <Zakim> codyb has MiguelAraCo
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14:04:58 <Zakim> -bblfish
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14:05:22 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
<deiu> chair: Arnaud
<deiu> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2015.06.01
14:05:29 <Zakim> +bblfish
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14:05:45 <deiu> Topic: Approval of last call minutes
14:05:47 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11 ←
14:05:55 <deiu> Arnaud: any objections?
Arnaud Le Hors: any objections? ←
14:06:04 <codyb> Zakim, MiguelAraCo is with me.
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14:06:04 <Zakim> MiguelAraCo was already listed in codyb, codyb
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14:06:09 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11 ←
14:06:27 <deiu> Arnaud: we can meet again in 2 weeks, June 16th
Arnaud Le Hors: we can meet again in 2 weeks, June 16th ←
14:06:36 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues
14:06:48 <deiu> Arnaud: we have two open actions
Arnaud Le Hors: we have two open actions ←
14:07:02 <deiu> ...we can close Action-161, Andrei has done that
...we can close ACTION-161, Andrei has done that ←
14:07:23 <deiu> ...and then Action-162 will remain pending until Rob sends us an update
...and then ACTION-162 will remain pending until Rob sends us an update ←
14:07:36 <Zakim> +ericP
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<deiu> topic: Paging
14:07:56 <deiu> Arnaud: is there any progress we should be aware re. paging?
Arnaud Le Hors: is there any progress we should be aware re. paging? ←
14:08:12 <deiu> ...if not, then we'll proceed with publishing Paging as a WG note
...if not, then we'll proceed with publishing Paging as a WG note ←
14:08:34 <deiu> ericP: do we have to do some "status of the document" to make it consistent?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: do we have to do some "status of the document" to make it consistent? ←
14:09:16 <deiu> Arnaud: we have lost the main editors of that spec, so someone needs to step up and work on it
Arnaud Le Hors: we have lost the main editors of that spec, so someone needs to step up and work on it ←
14:09:28 <deiu> ...Ashok is the last editor
...Ashok is the last editor ←
14:10:11 <deiu> ...basically wrapping up the document and adding a note that says the doc is no longer on the REC track and it will be published as a note
...basically wrapping up the document and adding a note that says the doc is no longer on the REC track and it will be published as a note ←
14:10:23 <deiu> Ashok: OK, I'll do that
Ashok Malhotra: OK, I'll do that ←
14:10:44 <deiu> ericP: the abstract and the intro need to be consistent with a note format
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the abstract and the intro need to be consistent with the note format ←
14:10:58 <deiu> s/a note/the note
14:11:04 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format
14:11:31 <deiu> Arnaud: pchampin said the test suite is complete, are we getting any implementation reports?
Arnaud Le Hors: pchampin said the test suite is complete, are we getting any implementation reports? ←
14:11:45 <deiu> pchampin: I didn't get any response to my mail
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I didn't get any response to my mail ←
14:12:02 <deiu> Arnaud: are we going to fail to meet the exit criteria for that too?
Arnaud Le Hors: are we going to fail to meet the exit criteria for that too? ←
14:12:15 <deiu> pchampin: betehess has an implementation he needs to report on
Pierre-Antoine Champin: betehess has an implementation he needs to report on ←
14:13:14 <deiu> Arnaud: officially the WG expires at the end of July, and since W3C now has stricter rules, we won't be able to publish anything if the WG expires
Arnaud Le Hors: officially the WG expires at the end of July, and since W3C now has stricter rules, we won't be able to publish anything if the WG expires ←
14:16:00 <deiu> [people counting implementations]
[people counting implementations] ←
14:16:23 <deiu> deiu: we have one report from pchampin and one pending report from betehess
Andrei Sambra: we have one report from pchampin and one pending report from betehess ←
14:16:38 <deiu> Arnaud: the report page is empty by the way
Arnaud Le Hors: the report page is empty by the way ←
14:16:48 <pchampin> http://pchampin.github.io/ld-patch-testsuite/impl-report.html
Pierre-Antoine Champin: http://pchampin.github.io/ld-patch-testsuite/impl-report.html ←
14:18:25 <deiu> Arnaud: so this leads us to LDP Next
Arnaud Le Hors: so this leads us to LDP Next ←
14:18:35 <deiu> Topic: LDP Next
14:18:56 <deiu> Arnaud: we'll be able to still communicate in the transition period
Arnaud Le Hors: we'll be able to still communicate in the transition period ←
14:19:11 <deiu> ...we may have to use WebEx starting with the next call
...we may have to use WebEx starting with the next call ←
14:19:27 <deiu> ...we'll only use it for voice, with text going on in the IRC channel
...we'll only use it for voice, with text going on in the IRC channel ←
14:19:48 <deiu> ...the existing charter goes on to end of July
...the existing charter goes on to end of July ←
14:20:10 <deiu> ...to recharter there's a 4 week period (for AC review) and we need to make sure that W3M is up for it in the first place
...to recharter there's a 4 week period (for AC review) and we need to make sure that W3M is up for it in the first place ←
14:20:28 <deiu> ...if we don't want to have any disruption, then the deadline is the same (2 weeks from now)
...if we don't want to have any disruption, then the deadline is the same (2 weeks from now) ←
14:20:44 <deiu> ...otherwise the WG will officially expire and we won't be able to publish anything
...otherwise the WG will officially expire and we won't be able to publish anything ←
14:21:01 <deiu> ...and rechartering it will take longer
...and rechartering it will take longer ←
14:21:37 <deiu> ...by the way, the rechartering requires that all the members are asked for their opinion
...by the way, the rechartering requires that all the members are asked for their opinion ←
14:21:59 <deiu> ...the used to be no specific criteria for going through, but now need a % of members to support the proposal
...the used to be no specific criteria for going through, but now need a % of members to support the proposal ←
14:22:11 <deiu> ericP: I think it's 20% of members
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think it's 20% of members ←
14:22:33 <deiu> Arnaud: we will have to do a little bit of lobbying outside the group
Arnaud Le Hors: we will have to do a little bit of lobbying outside the group ←
14:23:12 <Ashok> He said 20 members ... I think it's 15 percent
Ashok Malhotra: He said 20 members ... I think it's 15 percent ←
14:23:21 <deiu> ...I can tell you that at IBM, I get calls from people to support certain groups
...I can tell you that at IBM, I get calls from people to support certain groups ←
14:24:14 <deiu> ...deiu took the action to edit the new charter and post on the mailing list (which he did, albeit a bit late) and then we didn't get any comments
...deiu took the action to edit the new charter and post on the mailing list (which he did, albeit a bit late) and then we didn't get any comments ←
14:24:19 <deiu> ...so what's the problem?
...so what's the problem? ←
14:24:36 <deiu> ...are people still interested or not?
...are people still interested or not? ←
14:25:02 <deiu> Ashok: I think it looked good, modulo a minor editorial issue
Ashok Malhotra: I think it looked good, modulo a minor editorial issue ←
14:25:08 <deiu> deiu: which got fixed
Andrei Sambra: which got fixed ←
14:25:12 <deiu> Arnaud: any other comments?
Arnaud Le Hors: any other comments? ←
14:25:32 <codyb> We're happy with the charter.
Cody Burleson: We're happy with the charter. ←
14:25:49 <deiu> ...we still need to get people to say they are at least OK with it
...we still need to get people to say they are at least OK with it ←
14:26:22 <deiu> Ashok: I would personally like a little more enthusiasm, with people showing more interest in the group
Ashok Malhotra: I would personally like a little more enthusiasm, with people showing more interest in the group ←
14:26:52 <deiu> ericP: we need to lean on outside people, so they can lean on us
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we need to lean on outside people, so they can lean on us ←
14:26:56 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:27:04 <deiu> ...we need them to be interested
...we need them to be interested ←
14:27:23 <deiu> ...what about emailing the people on the attendance list?
...what about emailing the people on the attendance list? ←
14:27:56 <deiu> Arnaud: I would maybe suggest sending an email pointing to the new charter and asking if they're OK with it.
Arnaud Le Hors: I would maybe suggest sending an email pointing to the new charter and asking if they're OK with it. ←
14:28:17 <deiu> ...so who would like to do this?
...so who would like to do this? ←
14:28:21 <TallTed> "We revised our draft Charter based on our meetup. Does the new draft fit your wishes? Can/Will/Might you participate in new WG?"
Ted Thibodeau: "We revised our draft Charter based on our meetup. Does the new draft fit your wishes? Can/Will/Might you participate in new WG?" ←
14:28:31 <deiu> Ashok: if we're OK with the charter, I can do it
Ashok Malhotra: if we're OK with the charter, I can do it ←
14:28:36 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:28:50 <deiu> Arnaud: so among the people present today, is everyone happy with the charter?
Arnaud Le Hors: so among the people present today, is everyone happy with the charter? ←
14:28:59 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
14:29:00 <codyb> +1 (happy)
Cody Burleson: +1 (happy) ←
14:29:06 <deiu> bblfish: I am happy with it
Henry Story: I am happy with it ←
14:29:25 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
14:30:01 <deiu> Ashok: at the AC meeting I was approached by philA, and he mentioned access control
Ashok Malhotra: at the AC meeting I was approached by philA, and he mentioned access control ←
14:30:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
14:30:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
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14:30:43 <deiu> bblfish: yes, so without ACLs, you don't really have a distributed system
Henry Story: yes, so without ACLs, you don't really have a distributed system ←
14:30:58 <deiu> TallTed: ACLs are always an afterthought
Ted Thibodeau: ACLs are always an afterthought ←
14:32:26 <deiu> ericP: should the notion of search be related to the HTTP search proposal?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: should the notion of search be related to the HTTP search proposal? ←
14:32:38 <deiu> Arnaud: it might, but I don't think the charter needs to do that
Arnaud Le Hors: it might, but I don't think the charter needs to do that ←
14:32:57 <deiu> ...we could use it as a possible solution
...we could use it as a possible solution ←
14:33:28 <roger_> charter is looking promising from my perspective, but, I need to spend a bit more time with it
Roger Menday: charter is looking promising from my perspective, but, I need to spend a bit more time with it ←
14:34:09 <Ashok> Roger, please comment soon
Ashok Malhotra: Roger, please comment soon ←
14:35:41 <deiu> deiu: it would be nice if people would comment on the charter before getting on the call
Andrei Sambra: it would be nice if people would comment on the charter before getting on the call ←
14:36:24 <deiu> TallTed: I don't think we should delete anything from the technical issues, nor from the deliverables
Ted Thibodeau: I don't think we should delete anything from the technical issues, nor from the deliverables ←
14:38:03 <deiu> Arnaud: people should make their proposals on the list, and deiu (as acting editor) will work with them
Arnaud Le Hors: people should make their proposals on the list, and deiu (as acting editor) will work with them ←
14:40:33 <deiu> Arnaud: if we don't have all the required implementation reports in the next 2 weeks, we will publish LD Patch as a note
Arnaud Le Hors: if we don't have all the required implementation reports in the next 2 weeks, we will publish LD Patch as a note ←
14:41:19 <deiu> bblfish: I would like to discuss a bit on HTTP SEARCH
Henry Story: I would like to discuss a bit on HTTP SEARCH ←
<deiu> topic: HTTP SEARCH
14:42:40 <deiu> Ashok: I'm not sure how to proceed w.r.t. IETF process
Ashok Malhotra: I'm not sure how to proceed w.r.t. IETF process ←
14:44:51 <deiu> Arnaud: you should talk to Mark Nottingham who chairs the HTTP WG
Arnaud Le Hors: you should talk to Mark Nottingham who chairs the HTTP WG ←
14:45:18 <deiu> Ashok: I can't go to their meeting in Prague, but one of our guys can
Ashok Malhotra: I can't go to their meeting in Prague, but one of our guys can ←
14:45:27 <ericP> q+
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ ←
14:45:37 <codyb> q+
Cody Burleson: q+ ←
14:45:40 <deiu> Arnaud: I think the way to do it is to contact Mark and ask him how to proceed
Arnaud Le Hors: I think the way to do it is to contact Mark and ask him how to proceed ←
14:46:13 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
14:46:37 <deiu> ericP: people on the HTTP WG are there to preserve the status quo
Eric Prud'hommeaux: people on the HTTP WG are there to preserve the status quo ←
14:46:57 <deiu> ...the challenge is to get other people to show up and say they are excited about this
...the challenge is to get other people to show up and say they are excited about this ←
14:47:22 <deiu> ...we need to get people on the mailing group and get the chair enthusiastic about it too
...we need to get people on the mailing group and get the chair enthusiastic about it too ←
14:47:26 <Arnaud> ack codyb
Arnaud Le Hors: ack codyb ←
14:47:58 <deiu> codyb: the pushback from Roy Fielding, was this on the mailing list? Does anyone have pointers?
Cody Burleson: the pushback from Roy Fielding, was this on the mailing list? Does anyone have pointers? ←
14:48:04 <deiu> Ashok: yes, I can point you to the email
Ashok Malhotra: yes, I can point you to the email ←
14:48:45 <Ashok> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/
Ashok Malhotra: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/ ←
14:48:46 <ericP> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015AprJun/0248.html
Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015AprJun/0248.html ←
14:48:52 <deiu> bblfish: the worry is that if you have a search endpoint, you're only going to go through that endpoint, instead of using the resource URIs
Henry Story: the worry is that if you have a search endpoint, you're only going to go through that endpoint, instead of using the resource URIs ←
14:49:38 <codyb> q-
Cody Burleson: q- ←
14:52:03 <deiu> deiu: I would suggest we move this discussion on the mailing list
Andrei Sambra: I would suggest we move this discussion on the mailing list ←
14:55:00 <deiu> Arnaud: we should discuss on the LDP mailing list until we have a unified point of view, and then move to the IETF mailing list
Arnaud Le Hors: we should discuss on the LDP mailing list until we have a unified point of view, and then move to the IETF mailing list ←
14:55:08 <deiu> ...we don't want to appear divided
...we don't want to appear divided ←
14:55:56 <deiu> ...I want to remind everyone that the important things to consider right now are the charter and LD Patch -- we want to freeze these within the next 2 weeks
...I want to remind everyone that the important things to consider right now are the charter and LD Patch -- we want to freeze these within the next 2 weeks ←
14:56:08 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
14:56:10 <Zakim> -codyb
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyb ←
14:56:11 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
14:56:12 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
14:56:13 <deiu> [call adjourned]
[call adjourned] ←
14:56:13 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
14:56:14 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:56:15 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:56:18 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:56:19 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
14:56:20 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
14:56:20 <Zakim> Attendees were codyb, deiu, Arnaud, MiguelAraCo, TallTed, +33.6.66.52.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, pchampin, +33.6.43.93.aabb, Roger, bblfish, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were codyb, deiu, Arnaud, MiguelAraCo, TallTed, +33.6.66.52.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, pchampin, +33.6.43.93.aabb, Roger, bblfish, ericP ←
<deiu> present: codyb, deiu, Arnaud, MiguelAraCo, TallTed, Ashok_Malhotra, pchampin, Roger, bblfish, ericP
14:56:47 <Arnaud> btw, I recommend people express explicit support for the charter by sending an email to the list
Arnaud Le Hors: btw, I recommend people express explicit support for the charter by sending an email to the list ←
14:56:53 <Arnaud> rather than being silent
Arnaud Le Hors: rather than being silent ←
14:57:12 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting ←
14:57:12 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
14:57:12 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is ←
14:57:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
14:57:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/01-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/01-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
14:57:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
14:57:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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