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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 15 December 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.12.15
Present
Robert Sanderson, Arnaud Le Hors, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Ashok Malhotra, Alexandre Bertails, Andrei Sambra, Ted Thibodeau, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Steve Speicher, Roger Menday, Sandro Hawke, Henry Story
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Alexandre Bertails
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. no objection, minutes of 8 December 2014 approved link
  2. Mar 16th for the end of CR Paging link
  3. close ISSUE-103 with having 4 operations: add/delete can-fail/never-fails link
  4. AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail link
  5. Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD link
Topics
14:59:08 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/12/15-ldp-irc

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14:59:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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14:59:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

14:59:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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14:59:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:13 <trackbot> Date: 15 December 2014
14:59:53 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:01 <Zakim> +ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP

15:00:36 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

15:01:13 <Zakim> +Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre

15:01:55 <Zakim> +deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu

15:02:52 <deiu> Sandro said he's going to be late 20mins and asks if we can postpone LD Patch until he gets there

Andrei Sambra: Sandro said he's going to be late 20mins and asks if we can postpone LD Patch until he gets there

15:03:07 <Zakim> +[OpenLink]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[OpenLink]

15:03:15 <TallTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me

15:03:15 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:03:18 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:03:18 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:03:21 <Zakim> +??P18

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P18

15:03:27 <pchampin> zakim, ??p18 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??p18 is me

15:03:27 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:04:05 <Zakim> +[IBM]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM]

15:04:13 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me

Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me

15:04:13 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:05:53 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre

(Scribe set to Alexandre Bertails)

15:05:57 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
<betehess> chair: Arnaud
<betehess> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.12.15
<betehess> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:06:18 <betehess> Arnaud: approving the minutes of previous meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: approving the minutes of previous meeting

<betehess> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-08

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-12-08

15:06:24 <betehess> RESOLVED: no objection, minutes of 8 December 2014 approved

RESOLVED: no objection, minutes of 8 December 2014 approved

15:06:34 <betehess> ... next meeting could be Jan 6th

... next meeting could be Jan 6th

15:06:52 <betehess> ... but people could be returning to work that day

... but people could be returning to work that day

15:06:59 <azaroth> +1 to 12th

Robert Sanderson: +1 to 12th

15:07:10 <azaroth> Otherwise regrets for for the 5th

Robert Sanderson: Otherwise regrets for for the 5th

15:07:17 <SteveS> +1 to 12th

Steve Speicher: +1 to 12th

15:07:18 <betehess> ... or 12th?

... or 12th?

15:07:40 <betehess> Ashok: 12th!

Ashok Malhotra: 12th!

15:07:52 <betehess> Arnaud: let's do Jan 12th

Arnaud Le Hors: let's do Jan 12th

15:07:59 <betehess> ... next meeting on Jan 12th

... next meeting on Jan 12th

15:08:25 <betehess> ... tracking of actions and issues

... tracking of actions and issues

15:08:55 <betehess> ... Alex had one action

... Alex had one action

15:09:00 <betehess> ... we can close it

... we can close it

15:09:24 <betehess> ... we'll talk about the issue later

... we'll talk about the issue later

15:09:31 <betehess> topic: LDP and Paging

2. LDP and Paging

15:09:40 <betehess> Arnaud: LDP going to CR, Paging to PR

Arnaud Le Hors: LDP going to CR, Paging to PR

15:09:52 <betehess> ... there was discussion about the abstract in LDP

... there was discussion about the abstract in LDP

15:09:58 <betehess> ... SteveS took an action

... SteveS took an action

15:10:08 <betehess> ... ericP worked on getting the spec out

... ericP worked on getting the spec out

15:10:31 <betehess> ericP: choose Jan 16th for the end of PR and CR

Eric Prud'hommeaux: choose Jan 16th for the end of PR and CR

15:10:52 <betehess> ... not sure how long the waiting period should be

... not sure how long the waiting period should be

15:11:09 <betehess> ... for PR, there is a minimum, 3weeks/1month?

... for PR, there is a minimum, 3weeks/1month?

15:11:40 <betehess> Arnaud: end of PR for LDP: minimum is 4 weeks

Arnaud Le Hors: end of PR for LDP: minimum is 4 weeks

15:11:56 <betehess> ... on track to be publish on Dec 16th

... on track to be publish on Dec 16th

15:12:03 <betehess> ... then we have the waiting period

... then we have the waiting period

15:12:40 <betehess> ... for Paging, as we have no commitment for implementations, so we're planning to wait longer

... for Paging, as we have no commitment for implementations, so we're planning to wait longer

15:12:49 <betehess> ... so could be 3 months

... so could be 3 months

15:13:10 <betehess> ... Mar 16th sounds more reasonable

... Mar 16th sounds more reasonable

15:13:16 <betehess> ... what do others think?

... what do others think?

15:13:25 <betehess> SteveS: day doesn't matter too much to me

Steve Speicher: day doesn't matter too much to me

15:13:34 <betehess> ... so March sounds reasonable

... so March sounds reasonable

15:13:57 <betehess> PROPOSAL: Mar 16th for the end of CR Paging

PROPOSED: Mar 16th for the end of CR Paging

15:14:05 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:14:10 <betehess> +1

+1

15:14:18 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:15:01 <betehess> Arnaud: all +1s say that people will be implementing the spec: yay!

Arnaud Le Hors: all +1s say that people will be implementing the spec: yay!

15:15:13 <betehess> RESOLVED: Mar 16th for the end of CR Paging

RESOLVED: Mar 16th for the end of CR Paging

15:15:36 <betehess> ericP: the LDP ontology uses the LDP paging namespace

Eric Prud'hommeaux: the LDP ontology uses the LDP paging namespace

15:15:52 <betehess> ... we may need different ns for paging

... we may need different ns for paging

15:15:59 <betehess> ... eg ldp-paging

... eg ldp-paging

15:16:10 <betehess> ... people would have to include both namespaces

... people would have to include both namespaces

15:16:14 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

15:16:15 <betehess> ... but much more modular

... but much more modular

15:16:24 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

15:16:26 <betehess> ... and no need to modify things after LDP got to Rec

... and no need to modify things after LDP got to Rec

15:16:38 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

15:17:04 <betehess> azaroth: the expectation is that LDP Paging @@@

Robert Sanderson: the expectation is that LDP Paging wouldn't be used without LDP? And hence modularity would only be one way?

15:17:52 <betehess> Arnaud: slight overhead with the 2 namespaces

Arnaud Le Hors: slight overhead with the 2 namespaces

15:17:58 <betehess> ... but kinda makes sense

... but kinda makes sense

15:18:16 <Arnaud> ack SteveS

Arnaud Le Hors: ack SteveS

15:18:16 <azaroth> s/@@@/wouldn't be used without LDP? And hence modularity would only be one way?/
15:18:18 <betehess> ... and people could come up with a different mechanism for paging, and another ns

... and people could come up with a different mechanism for paging, and another ns

15:18:36 <betehess> SteveS: we talked about that some time, and we decided to keep it in ldp ns, can't remember when or why

Steve Speicher: we talked about that some time, and we decided to keep it in ldp ns, can't remember when or why

15:19:15 <betehess> ... there will always be new ns, how do be layer new terms into LDP then?

... there will always be new ns, how do be layer new terms into LDP then?

15:19:26 <betehess> ... so -1 ldp-paging

... so no -1 ldp-paging

15:19:36 <betehess> ... like the idea of having one common vocabulary

... but like the idea of having one common vocabulary

15:19:42 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

15:19:44 <betehess> ... and be clear about the status

... and be clear about the status

15:19:48 <Arnaud> s/so/so no/
15:19:59 <Arnaud> s/like/but like/
15:20:16 <betehess> ericP: in principle, after ldp fgoes to Rec, I weould be permitted to change the terms used in ldp

Eric Prud'hommeaux: in principle, after ldp fgoes to Rec, I weould be permitted to change the terms used in ldp

15:20:24 <betehess> ... but I think I could edit the doc (I guess)

... but I think I could edit the doc (I guess)

15:20:42 <betehess> ... value is: there is simplicity in having things in one place

... value is: there is simplicity in having things in one place

15:20:48 <betehess> Arnaud: look at schema.org

Arnaud Le Hors: look at schema.org

15:20:48 <deiu> q+

Andrei Sambra: q+

15:20:51 <betehess> ... it's all in there

... it's all in there

15:20:54 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

15:21:10 <betehess> deiu: there is a performance issue too

Andrei Sambra: there is a performance issue too

15:21:20 <Zakim> + +33.6.47.14.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.47.14.aaaa

15:21:21 <betehess> ... eg tabulator would dereference all vocabularies

... eg tabulator would dereference all vocabularies

15:21:21 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:21:35 <betehess> ... so dereferencing things is costly for us

... so dereferencing things is costly for us

15:21:44 <bblfish> zakim, aaaa is me

Henry Story: zakim, aaaa is me

15:21:44 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish; got it

15:22:41 <betehess> ericP: it's modularity vs simplicity

Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's modularity vs simplicity

15:22:43 <TallTed> what's the URI for the (current) Vocabulary Status Ontology?

Ted Thibodeau: what's the URI for the (current) Vocabulary Status Ontology?

15:22:55 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2003/06/sw-vocab-status/note

Steve Speicher: http://www.w3.org/2003/06/sw-vocab-status/note

15:22:59 <betehess> q+

q+

15:23:25 <betehess> sandro: not strong advocate of 1 namespace

Sandro Hawke: not strong advocate of 1 namespace

15:23:57 <betehess> ... people use the wrong namespaces all the time

... people use the wrong namespaces all the time

15:24:00 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

15:25:02 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

15:25:10 <betehess> betehess: one namespace means ontology clashing

Alexandre Bertails: one namespace means ontology clashing

15:25:36 <betehess> ericP: what's the title and metadata for the document?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's the title and metadata for the document?

15:25:53 <betehess> ... [enumerating]

... [enumerating]

15:26:04 <Arnaud> STRAWPOLL: a) keep one namespace, b) move paging into its own namespace

STRAWPOLL: a) keep one namespace, b) move paging into its own namespace

15:26:19 <betehess> sandro: LDP Paging is part of LDP

Sandro Hawke: LDP Paging is part of LDP

15:26:33 <betehess> ... and we'd have to come back to LC if we want to change the NS

... and we'd have to come back to LC if we want to change the NS

15:27:00 <betehess> ericP: not sure

Eric Prud'hommeaux: not sure

15:27:06 <betehess> ... if the implementations are not impacted...

... if the implementations are not impacted...

15:27:17 <betehess> sandro: should ask the director

Sandro Hawke: should ask the director

15:27:32 <betehess> ... question is: do you affect somebody

... question is: do you affect somebody

15:27:50 <betehess> Arnaud: I suggest we keep it as it is: one namespace

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest we keep it as it is: one namespace

15:27:57 <betehess> ... any objection?

... any objection?

15:27:59 <deiu> +0 (mainly because of having to go back to LC)

Andrei Sambra: +0 (mainly because of having to go back to LC)

15:28:13 <betehess> <betehess> -0.9

<betehess> -0.9

15:28:59 <betehess> Arnaud: I hear no objection

Arnaud Le Hors: I hear no objection

15:29:04 <betehess> ... that settles it

... that settles it

15:29:51 <betehess> betehess: wait, we should ask the rest of w3c staff

Alexandre Bertails: wait, we should ask the rest of w3c staff

15:30:08 <betehess> I would prefer having the strawpoll

I would prefer having the strawpoll

15:30:13 <deiu> me too

Andrei Sambra: me too

15:30:15 <betehess> so that we can present it to w3c

so that we can present it to w3c

15:30:56 <betehess> Arnaud: don't think ericP convinced anybody (but Alex)

Arnaud Le Hors: don't think ericP convinced anybody (but Alex)

15:31:18 <betehess> ericP: should I change all the ldp related terms to "stable"

Eric Prud'hommeaux: should I change all the ldp related terms to "stable"

15:31:32 <betehess> ... and leave the paging ones as unstable?

... and leave the paging ones as unstable?

15:31:50 <betehess> [chorus]: yes

[chorus]: yes

15:31:56 <betehess> Arnaud: ok, let's move on

Arnaud Le Hors: ok, let's move on

15:32:02 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:32:10 <bblfish> q-

Henry Story: q-

15:32:17 <betehess> ... should be published tomorrow

... should be published tomorrow

15:32:40 <betehess> topic: LDP Patch

3. LDP Patch

15:32:52 <betehess> Arnaud: betehess had the action item to ask timbl

Arnaud Le Hors: betehess had the action item to ask timbl

15:33:00 <betehess> ... hard vs soft delete

... hard vs soft delete

15:33:02 <betehess> q+

q+

15:33:11 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

15:33:15 <betehess> ... which was having different operations

... which was having different operations

15:33:55 <deiu> betehess: once thing I didn't make clear in my email, the names for the operations were not discussed, so we can replace them if people come up with better ones

Alexandre Bertails: once thing I didn't make clear in my email, the names for the operations were not discussed, so we can replace them if people come up with better ones [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:34:04 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:34:16 <bblfish> can't hear sandro

Henry Story: can't hear sandro

15:34:17 <betehess> sandro: don't think timbl had considered the rollbacxk problem

Sandro Hawke: don't think timbl had considered the rollbacxk problem

15:34:22 <betehess> ... b/c he doesn't use it

... b/c he doesn't use it

15:34:32 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:34:42 <betehess> ... he doesn't want to implement a rollback system

... he doesn't want to implement a rollback system

15:34:45 <deiu> sandro: Tim didn't really think about the possibility of having rollbacks

Sandro Hawke: Tim didn't really think about the possibility of having rollbacks [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:35:07 <deiu> ... he thinks that you must not send a patch that can result in a rollback

Andrei Sambra: ... he thinks that you must not send a patch that can result in a rollback

15:35:09 <betehess> ... there should be no rollback

... there should be no rollback

15:35:28 <deiu> ... and he thinks that people should not have to implement systems that do rollbacks

Andrei Sambra: ... and he thinks that people should not have to implement systems that do rollbacks

15:35:39 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

15:35:46 <deiu> ... I too would have a problem with implementing rollbacks

Andrei Sambra: ... I too would have a problem with implementing rollbacks

15:36:05 <betehess> Arnaud: not sure we're why we're discussing about rollbacks

Arnaud Le Hors: not sure we're why we're discussing about rollbacks

15:36:11 <deiu> Arnaud: I don't really understand how we got to the rollback discussion

Arnaud Le Hors: I don't really understand how we got to the rollback discussion [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:36:32 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

15:36:32 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

15:36:42 <deiu> betehess: if there's a problem with the patch, the resource is left unchanged

Alexandre Bertails: if there's a problem with the patch, the resource is left unchanged [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:36:44 <pchampin> Bind and UpdateList can alreday fail

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind and UpdateList can alreday fail

15:37:45 <deiu> Arnaud: maybe the rollback term is too strong

Arnaud Le Hors: maybe the rollback term is too strong [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:38:10 <deiu> ... you cannot have a patch that "kind of" works but fails at the same time

Andrei Sambra: ... you cannot have a patch that "kind of" works but fails at the same time

15:38:14 <betehess> Arnaud: PATCH either succeeds of fails, no in between

Arnaud Le Hors: PATCH either succeeds of fails, no in between

15:38:35 <betehess> sandro: so during the patch, you are not modifying the db

Sandro Hawke: so during the patch, you are not modifying the db

15:38:43 <betehess> ... you are cumulating the add/delete

... you are cumulating the add/delete

15:38:50 <deiu> sandro: ok, so as you're applying the patch, you're not modifying the database, and in the processing of the patch you're making the necessary checks, so in that case the "rollback" is trivial

Sandro Hawke: ok, so as you're applying the patch, you're not modifying the database, and in the processing of the patch you're making the necessary checks, so in that case the "rollback" is trivial [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:38:53 <betehess> ... did I get it right?

... did I get it right?

15:39:01 <betehess> ... ok, should be fine

... ok, should be fine

15:39:34 <deiu> Arnaud: the preference is therefore to have 4 operations (2 additions and 2 deletes)

Arnaud Le Hors: the preference is therefore to have 4 operations (2 additions and 2 deletes) [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:39:45 <betehess> Arnaud: so, the preference is to have 4 operations? add/delete can-fail/never-fails?

Arnaud Le Hors: so, the preference is to have 4 operations? add/delete can-fail/never-fails?

15:39:49 <deiu> ... are we good with that now?

Andrei Sambra: ... are we good with that now?

15:40:08 <deiu> ... is there anything else the editors need at this point so we can close the issue?

Andrei Sambra: ... is there anything else the editors need at this point so we can close the ISSUE-103?

15:40:20 <deiu> s/issue/issue-103
15:40:51 <betehess> PROPOSAL: close ISSUE-103 with having 4 operations:  add/delete can-fail/never-fails

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-103 with having 4 operations: add/delete can-fail/never-fails

15:41:00 <betehess> +1

+1

15:41:06 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:41:08 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:41:36 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:41:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

15:41:44 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:41:46 <Ashok> 1

Ashok Malhotra: 1

15:41:46 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

15:41:48 <ericP> sandro, +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: sandro, +1

15:42:03 <betehess> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-103 with having 4 operations:  add/delete can-fail/never-fails

RESOLVED: close ISSUE-103 with having 4 operations: add/delete can-fail/never-fails

15:43:11 <betehess> Arnaud: current names are Add AddNew Delete DeleteAny

Arnaud Le Hors: current names are Add AddNew Delete DeleteAny

15:43:55 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:44:12 <betehess> Arnaud+Sandro: DeleteAny sounds funny to me

Arnaud+Sandro: DeleteAny sounds funny to me

15:44:14 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:44:34 <betehess> ... AddNew looks ok

... AddNew looks ok

15:45:00 <betehess> pchampin: share concerns re: DeleteAny

Pierre-Antoine Champin: share concerns re: DeleteAny

15:45:29 <betehess> ... would prefer Add and Delete would be in same category (can-fail)

... would prefer Add and Delete would be in same category (can-fail)

15:45:38 <betehess> ... would be my preference

... would be my preference

15:45:55 <betehess> Arnaud: there is an asymmetry

Arnaud Le Hors: there is an asymmetry

15:46:14 <betehess> sandro: I'd like that (no assymetry)

Sandro Hawke: I'd like that (no assymetry)

15:46:21 <pchampin> pchampin : and the others could be AddNew and DeleteExisting

Pierre-Antoine Champin: pchampin : and the others could be AddNew and DeleteExisting

15:46:24 <TallTed> +1 AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

Ted Thibodeau: +1 AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

15:46:24 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

15:46:51 <betehess> PROPOSAL: AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

PROPOSED: AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

15:46:55 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

15:46:55 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

15:46:56 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:46:56 <Ashok> DeleteIfThere

Ashok Malhotra: DeleteIfThere

15:46:57 <betehess> +1

+1

15:46:58 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:47:09 <deiu> sandro: +1

Sandro Hawke: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Andrei Sambra ]

15:47:16 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

15:47:31 <deiu> DeleteIfThereAndETagMatches

Andrei Sambra: DeleteIfThereAndETagMatches

15:48:02 <TallTed> DeleteIfExists better than DeleteIfThere

Ted Thibodeau: DeleteIfExists better than DeleteIfThere

15:48:24 <Ashok> One more letter!

Ashok Malhotra: One more letter!

15:49:01 <betehess> Arnaud: no real objections so far?

Arnaud Le Hors: no real objections so far?

15:49:05 <betehess> RESOLVED: AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

RESOLVED: AddNew/DeleteExisting could fail ; Add/Delete don't fail

15:49:12 <pchampin> Sandro, you are right: "ifX" sounds like something that would not fail

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Sandro, you are right: "ifX" sounds like something that would not fail

15:49:25 <betehess> Arnaud: any other issue we should be aware of?

Arnaud Le Hors: any other issue we should be aware of?

15:49:32 <betehess> ... I believe we closed everything

... I believe we closed everything

15:49:49 <Zakim> -bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish

15:50:00 <betehess> ... so when can we published it as CR?  (new process track: combined with LC)

... so when can we published it as CR? (new process track: combined with LC)

15:50:04 <betehess> ... same burden

... same burden

15:50:16 <betehess> ... need to keep track of public comments

... need to keep track of public comments

15:51:06 <betehess> ... suggesting we go to CR

... suggesting we go to CR

15:51:20 <Zakim> +bblfish

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15:51:24 <betehess> ... are we ready for such a decision?  or do we need more time for people to review the spec?

... are we ready for such a decision? or do we need more time for people to review the spec?

15:51:39 <betehess> sandro: and we have to plan the transition meetings

Sandro Hawke: and we have to plan the transition meetings

15:51:49 <betehess> ... so the question is only "when"?

... so the question is only "when"?

15:51:52 <betehess> Arnaud: believe so

Arnaud Le Hors: believe so

15:52:09 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

PROPOSED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

15:52:09 <betehess> ... proposing we are doing it now

... proposing we are doing it now

15:52:10 <pchampin> question re. process: can we make slight editorial changes if we go to CR?

Pierre-Antoine Champin: question re. process: can we make slight editorial changes if we go to CR?

15:52:43 <bblfish> I have not read it

Henry Story: I have not read it

15:52:51 <betehess> sandro: has anyone other that the editors read the draft?

Sandro Hawke: has anyone other that the editors read the draft?

15:53:05 <betehess> betehess: timbl read it

Alexandre Bertails: timbl read it

15:53:22 <betehess> Arnaud: what's the exit criteria?

Arnaud Le Hors: what's the exit criteria?

15:53:32 <SteveS> I have not read it since updated but don’t object to move it forward, so many documents I need to patch

Steve Speicher: I have not read it since updated but don’t object to move it forward, so many documents I need to patch

15:53:37 <betehess> sandro: I'd say 2 implementations for the entire test suite

Sandro Hawke: I'd say 2 implementations for the entire test suite

15:53:43 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:53:49 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:54:16 <betehess> bblfish: can I add metadata to the PATCH?

Henry Story: can I add metadata to the PATCH?

15:54:26 <betehess> deiu: it's not using an rdf representation

Andrei Sambra: it's not using an rdf representation

15:54:55 <betehess> bblfish: you won't be able to do event-sourcing

Henry Story: you won't be able to do event-sourcing

15:55:29 <betehess> betehess: that is orthogonal

Alexandre Bertails: that is orthogonal

15:56:19 <betehess> ... this is just HTTP PATCH

... this is just HTTP PATCH

15:56:27 <betehess> bblfish: want to keep history of changes

Henry Story: want to keep history of changes

15:56:44 <betehess> ... would be cool to have that in the PATCH format

... would be cool to have that in the PATCH format

15:56:54 <betehess> ... to know the reason

... to know the reason

15:57:12 <betehess> sandro: "I would like to express my PATCH as a trig document"

Sandro Hawke: "I would like to express my PATCH as a trig document"

15:57:48 <betehess> ... the PATCH could be RDF with a String for the PATCH inside it

... the PATCH could be RDF with a String for the PATCH inside it

15:58:07 <bblfish> ok, I can read it

Henry Story: ok, I can read it

15:58:31 <SteveS> I can update my review

Steve Speicher: I can update my review

15:58:57 <betehess> Arnaud: I am asking for volunteers to read the spec during the holiday

Arnaud Le Hors: I am asking for volunteers to read the spec during the holiday

15:59:00 <MiguelAraCo> I can commit to read it

Miguel Aragón: I can commit to read it

15:59:18 <betehess> ... let's make sure that for next call, people have read the spec

... let's make sure that for next call, people have read the spec

15:59:35 <betehess> ... also, would be nice to have a link to a complete test suite

... also, would be nice to have a link to a complete test suite

15:59:50 <betehess> sandro: and the implementation report

Sandro Hawke: and the implementation report

16:00:04 <betehess> q+

q+

16:00:12 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

16:00:58 <Zakim> -azaroth

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16:01:22 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

PROPOSED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

16:01:25 <betehess> +1

+1

16:01:27 <deiu> +1

Andrei Sambra: +1

16:01:31 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

16:01:31 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

16:01:44 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

16:02:02 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

16:02:05 <betehess> we can't publish tomorrow (too late), so that'd be Thursday anyway

we can't publish tomorrow (too late), so that'd be Thursday anyway

16:02:16 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

RESOLVED: Publish LD Patch Format as Candidate Recommendation/Last Call WD

16:02:24 <betehess> Arnaud: thank you

Arnaud Le Hors: thank you

16:02:34 <betehess> ... thank you all for joining

... thank you all for joining

16:02:40 <betehess> ... happy holidays!

... happy holidays!

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16:02:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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16:02:47 <bblfish> happy holidays.

Henry Story: happy holidays.

16:02:48 <Zakim> -deiu

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16:02:50 <betehess> adjourned

adjourned

16:02:54 <Zakim> -Sandro

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16:03:51 <Arnaud> rrsagent, draft minutes

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16:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were azaroth, [IPcaller], Arnaud, ericP, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, deiu, TallTed, pchampin, SteveS, Roger, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, Sandro, bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were azaroth, [IPcaller], Arnaud, ericP, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, deiu, TallTed, pchampin, SteveS, Roger, +33.6.47.14.aaaa, Sandro, bblfish

<betehess> Present: azaroth, Arnaud, ericP, Ashok_Malhotra, Alexandre, deiu, TallTed, pchampin, SteveS, Roger, Sandro, bblfish


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