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14:59:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:59:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
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14:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 24 November 2014
14:59:54 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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15:00:00 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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15:00:11 <Zakim> +deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:01:52 <Zakim> +Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger ←
15:02:06 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:02:15 <pchampin> zakim, ??P8 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P8 is me ←
15:02:15 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve_Speicher ←
15:02:34 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS
Steve Speicher: zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS ←
15:02:34 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
15:02:38 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:03:14 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:03:26 <Arnaud> zakim, OpenLink_Software is TallTed
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, OpenLink_Software is TallTed ←
15:03:26 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:04:00 <TallTed> Zakim, TallTed is OpenLink_Software
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, TallTed is OpenLink_Software ←
15:04:00 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it ←
15:04:02 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:04:02 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
15:05:15 <Zakim> +Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre ←
15:06:29 <betehess> Zakim, who is on the phone?
Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, who is on the phone? ←
15:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, Alexandre ←
15:07:06 <TallTed> scribenick: TallTed
(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)
<TallTed> chair: Arnaud
<TallTed> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.24
<TallTed> topic: Admin
15:07:14 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17 ←
15:07:28 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17 ←
15:08:00 <Zakim> +EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP ←
15:08:55 <deiu> Topic: LDP and Paging specs
15:09:38 <TallTed> Arnaud: Eric has scheduled transition request calls... we need test contributions for Paging
Arnaud Le Hors: Eric has scheduled transition request calls... we need test contributions for Paging ←
15:10:09 <SteveS> I said last week, we have and will do more
Steve Speicher: I said last week, we have and will do more ←
15:11:04 <TallTed> roger: implementation is likely, but no timeframe is settled
Roger Menday: implementation is likely, but no timeframe is settled ←
15:12:34 <Zakim> +??P11
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11 ←
15:12:44 <TallTed> Ashok: Oracle will probably implement whatever Paging comes out of LDP-Next
Ashok Malhotra: Oracle will probably implement whatever Paging comes out of LDP-Next ←
15:12:49 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P11 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P11 is me ←
15:12:49 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
15:12:54 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
15:12:54 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
15:13:26 <TallTed> Topic: LDPatch format
15:13:43 <betehess> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Nov/0064.html
Alexandre Bertails: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Nov/0064.html ←
15:13:56 <TallTed> Arnaud: new draft was announced last week. one issue was raised, with proposal for resolution.
Arnaud Le Hors: new draft was announced last week. one issue was raised, with proposal for resolution. ←
15:15:37 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 making leading slash of Path expression optional per Alexandre's email
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 making leading slash of Path expression optional per Alexandre's email ←
15:16:19 <TallTed> betehess: Path expressions were spec'ed with leading slash; wish was to spec *with* slash, mimicing SPARQL which was not inspiration for this syntax. proposal is to make the slash optional.
Alexandre Bertails: Path expressions were spec'ed with leading slash; wish was to spec *with* slash, mimicing SPARQL which was not inspiration for this syntax. proposal is to make the slash optional. ←
15:17:28 <Zakim> + +33.6.47.14.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.47.14.aaaa ←
15:17:47 <TallTed> ... XPath was inspiration, which uses leading slash to go up a step
... XPath was inspiration, which uses leading slash to go up a step ←
15:18:16 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:18:31 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:19:49 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:20:47 <TallTed> bblfish: has been using something similar in Scala and BananaRDF. wonders if the confusion comes from doing Patch before Search.
Henry Story: has been using something similar in Scala and BananaRDF. wonders if the confusion comes from doing Patch before Search. ←
15:21:31 <betehess> proposed LD path production rule at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-path
Alexandre Bertails: proposed LD path production rule at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-path ←
15:21:40 <betehess> path ::= ('/'? step | constraint )? ( '/' step | constraint )*
Alexandre Bertails: path ::= ('/'? step | constraint )? ( '/' step | constraint )* ←
15:21:46 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
15:22:30 <TallTed> Ashok: XPath leading-slash starts at the root of the tree. what is leading-slash telling us here?
Ashok Malhotra: XPath leading-slash starts at the root of the tree. what is leading-slash telling us here? ←
15:23:30 <TallTed> ... what does a path of *just* a slash mean?
... what does a path of *just* a slash mean? ←
15:23:40 <TallTed> betehess: just a slash isn't allowed by the grammar
Alexandre Bertails: just a slash isn't allowed by the grammar ←
15:23:42 <bblfish> so a PointedGraph is defined as case class PointedGraph(node: Node, g: Graph)
Henry Story: so a PointedGraph is defined as case class PointedGraph(node: Node, g: Graph) ←
15:24:09 <pchampin> q+
15:24:14 <betehess> a + 1 + 2 + 3
Alexandre Bertails: a + 1 + 2 + 3 ←
15:25:18 <bblfish> https://github.com/InTheNow/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf/common/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/PointedGraph.scala
Henry Story: https://github.com/InTheNow/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf/common/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/PointedGraph.scala ←
15:25:42 <Arnaud> ack pchampin
Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin ←
15:26:16 <TallTed> pchampin: the path is not self-sufficient, it's relative to what came before it
Pierre-Antoine Champin: the path is not self-sufficient, it's relative to what came before it ←
15:26:31 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:26:43 <TallTed> ... in this context, the slash sets relativity to the subject that came before it
... in this context, the slash sets relativity to the subject that came before it ←
15:27:04 <sandro> q+ to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it
Sandro Hawke: q+ to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it ←
15:27:16 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:27:17 <bblfish> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala
Henry Story: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala ←
15:27:17 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:27:17 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it ←
15:27:20 <betehess> implementing it, you understand why it really makes sense
Alexandre Bertails: implementing it, you understand why it really makes sense ←
15:27:23 <betehess> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/topic/ldpatch/ldpatch/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/ldpatch/Semantics.scala#L181
Alexandre Bertails: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/topic/ldpatch/ldpatch/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/ldpatch/Semantics.scala#L181 ←
15:27:33 <bblfish> exactly it's like a dot
Henry Story: exactly it's like a dot ←
15:27:52 <TallTed> sandro: so the slash here is like a dot in most programming languages these days -- subject.name is the subject's name
Sandro Hawke: so the slash here is like a dot in most programming languages these days -- subject.name is the subject's name ←
15:28:01 <sandro> .foo.bar
Sandro Hawke: .foo.bar ←
15:28:03 <sandro> s.foo.bar
Sandro Hawke: s.foo.bar ←
15:28:30 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:28:37 <TallTed> ... slash tends to suggest filepath or URL
... slash tends to suggest filepath or URL ←
15:28:39 <bblfish> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala
Henry Story: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala ←
15:28:48 <bblfish> betehess / foaf.name
Henry Story: betehess / foaf.name ←
15:28:58 <betehess> it is a bit different in banana...
Alexandre Bertails: it is a bit different in banana... ←
15:29:02 <ericP> q+ to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.) ←
15:29:03 <bblfish> val betehess: PointedGraph[Rdf] = (
Henry Story: val betehess: PointedGraph[Rdf] = ( ←
15:29:05 <bblfish> ... )
Henry Story: ... ) ←
15:29:06 <betehess> I know, I implemented it
Alexandre Bertails: I know, I implemented it ←
15:29:29 <betehess> there is no pointed graph here, bblfish
Alexandre Bertails: there is no pointed graph here, bblfish ←
15:29:35 <betehess> no
Alexandre Bertails: no ←
15:29:43 <sandro> So, there is a space.
Sandro Hawke: So, there is a space. ←
15:29:44 <sandro> -1
Sandro Hawke: -1 ←
15:29:52 <Ashok> Eric, I believe a leading / indiactes the root of the doc on Xpath
Ashok Malhotra: Eric, I believe a leading / indiactes the root of the doc on Xpath ←
15:29:56 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn
Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn ←
15:29:59 <sandro> Bind ?event <#>/schema:performerIn
Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#>/schema:performerIn ←
15:30:24 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn[/schema:url\
Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn[/schema:url\ ←
15:30:28 <betehess> I don't understand the space argument
Alexandre Bertails: I don't understand the space argument ←
15:30:31 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url\
Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url\ ←
15:32:06 <bblfish> perhaps someting like
Henry Story: perhaps someting like ←
15:32:07 <Arnaud> ack ericP
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP ←
15:32:07 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.) ←
15:32:12 <bblfish> Bind ?event { <#> /schema:performerIn }
Henry Story: Bind ?event { <#> /schema:performerIn } ←
15:32:36 <betehess> yeah, the optional leading / also surprised me
Alexandre Bertails: yeah, the optional leading / also surprised me ←
15:32:42 <TallTed> ericP: in XPath, the slash is optional. is there difference between XSLT and XQuery?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: in XPath, the slash is optional. is there difference between XSLT and XQuery? ←
15:32:49 <bblfish> Bind ?event { <#>/schema:performerIn }
Henry Story: Bind ?event { <#>/schema:performerIn } ←
15:33:20 <TallTed> ... I don't have any leading slashes on paths in the XSLT I've written
... I don't have any leading slashes on paths in the XSLT I've read ←
15:33:36 <TallTed> s/written/read/
15:34:34 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:34:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:34:54 <betehess> i'd be ok with that
Alexandre Bertails: i'd be ok with that ←
15:35:00 <TallTed> sandro: is the solution to make the slash mandatory, and remove the space character from the example code?
Sandro Hawke: is the solution to make the slash mandatory, and remove the space character from the example code? ←
15:35:14 <betehess> q+
Alexandre Bertails: q+ ←
15:35:29 <TallTed> pchampin: I'd prefer more spaces than fewer. they make examples much clearer.
Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'd prefer more spaces than fewer. they make examples much clearer. ←
15:35:30 <betehess> q-
Alexandre Bertails: q- ←
15:35:40 <sandro> sandro: I'm fine with a space before every slash
Sandro Hawke: I'm fine with a space before every slash [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:35:53 <bblfish> bethess "there is no pointed graph here, bblfish" <- that may be the problem in the explanation
Henry Story: bethess "there is no pointed graph here, bblfish" <- that may be the problem in the explanation ←
15:36:00 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] . ←
15:36:08 <betehess> so, mandatory / and example with space before all /
Alexandre Bertails: so, mandatory / and example with space before all / ←
15:36:16 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] . ←
15:36:31 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .
Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] . ←
15:36:50 <betehess> no mandatory space
Alexandre Bertails: no mandatory space ←
15:37:06 <TallTed> TallTed: space-slash-space works best for me, for clarity in examples. doesn't need to be mandatory in code.
Ted Thibodeau: space-slash-space works best for me, for clarity in examples. doesn't need to be mandatory in code. ←
15:37:48 <sandro> note the huge difference between " 1+2 " and "1 +2 "
Sandro Hawke: note the huge difference between " 1+2 " and "1 +2 " ←
15:37:58 <bblfish> agree spaces should not be mandatory, but in examples they may help clarify things
Henry Story: agree spaces should not be mandatory, but in examples they may help clarify things ←
15:38:09 <TallTed> and "1 + 2" and "1+ 2"
and "1 + 2" and "1+ 2" ←
15:38:31 <sandro> right. asymmetric spacing on operators is very confusion.
Sandro Hawke: right. asymmetric spacing on operators is very confusion. ←
15:40:26 <betehess> PROPOSAL: mandatory / in grammar, examples in the spec with symmetric spacing around /
PROPOSED: mandatory / in grammar, examples in the spec with symmetric spacing around / ←
15:40:37 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec ←
15:40:55 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:40:56 <betehess> +1
Alexandre Bertails: +1 ←
15:41:05 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
15:41:12 <nmihindu> +0
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +0 ←
15:41:15 <bblfish> q+1
Henry Story: q+1 ←
15:41:17 <pchampin> +1
15:41:21 <bblfish> +!
Henry Story: +! ←
15:41:23 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:41:24 <TallTed> +1 (it's not a `leading slash` because it's not a part of the element which follows )
+1 (it's not a `leading slash` because it's not a part of the element which follows ) ←
15:41:35 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:41:37 <Ashok> +1
Ashok Malhotra: +1 ←
15:41:37 <betehess> TallTed, exactly
Alexandre Bertails: TallTed, exactly ←
15:41:45 <sandro> (right, it's the "so-called leading slash")
Sandro Hawke: (right, it's the "so-called leading slash") ←
15:41:59 <bblfish> perhaps introducing the notion of a pointed graph would help.
Henry Story: perhaps introducing the notion of a pointed graph would help. ←
15:42:23 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec ←
15:42:38 <TallTed> subTopic: Timeline
15:43:02 <betehess> it's a 20 minutes fix (need to update the implementation first, as the grammar is generated from there)
Alexandre Bertails: it's a 20 minutes fix (need to update the implementation first, as the grammar is generated from there) ←
15:43:10 <bblfish> I think it is worth waiting
Henry Story: I think it is worth waiting ←
15:43:31 <TallTed> Arnaud: do we decide to go to CR now, or do we need review time after this change?
Arnaud Le Hors: do we decide to go to CR now, or do we need review time after this change? ←
15:43:33 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
15:43:43 <bblfish> I'd like to read it, in more detail as it is gathering more support
Henry Story: I'd like to read it, in more detail as it is gathering more support ←
15:44:18 <TallTed> [ general consensus on taking a week to review, for 2014-12-01 vote on CR ]
[ general consensus on taking a week to review, for 2014-12-01 vote on CR ] ←
15:45:10 <TallTed> Topic: Charter
15:45:48 <betehess> q+
Alexandre Bertails: q+ ←
15:45:54 <Arnaud> ack 1
Arnaud Le Hors: ack 1 ←
15:45:57 <Arnaud> ack betehess
Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess ←
15:46:02 <TallTed> Arnaud: I've had no objections to current content, and no requests for addition
Arnaud Le Hors: I've had no objections to current content, and no requests for addition ←
15:48:24 <bblfish> the specs
Henry Story: the specs ←
15:49:11 <betehess> for us, the most important missing feature is a simple query language
Alexandre Bertails: for us, the most important missing feature is a simple query language ←
15:52:37 <betehess> me too
Alexandre Bertails: me too ←
15:52:56 <nmihindu> me too, I think it is a very practical model
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: me too, I think it is a very practical model ←
15:53:00 <bblfish> Arnaud's proposal seems good. One would have to find out how to present features on the internet
Henry Story: Arnaud's proposal seems good. One would have to find out how to present features on the internet ←
15:57:08 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:57:15 <betehess> bye!
Alexandre Bertails: bye! ←
15:57:16 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:57:21 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
15:57:22 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
15:57:23 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:57:23 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:57:24 <Zakim> - +33.6.47.14.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.6.47.14.aaaa ←
15:57:25 <Zakim> -Alexandre
Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre ←
15:57:28 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
16:05:12 <Zakim> -deiu
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Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
16:15:37 <betehess> sandro, can you say which version you prefer?
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Alexandre Bertails: sandro, can you say which version you prefer? ←
16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#>/schema:attendee[/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#>/schema:attendee[/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] . ←
16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] . ←
16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee[ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee[ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] . ←
16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] . ←
16:15:39 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] . ←
16:15:40 <betehess> or something else?
Alexandre Bertails: or something else? ←
16:15:58 <betehess> in constraints, the left operand of / is implicit
Alexandre Bertails: in constraints, the left operand of / is implicit ←
16:16:15 <betehess> it's like a higher-order function whose argument is the current node
Alexandre Bertails: it's like a higher-order function whose argument is the current node ←
16:16:29 <betehess> so it's hard to "balance" the spacing in that case
Alexandre Bertails: so it's hard to "balance" the spacing in that case ←
16:17:55 <betehess> note: unlike ericP said, / is not for the top node, it's just that at the top-level, we know to which node set to apply the path on
Alexandre Bertails: note: unlike ericP said, / is not for the top node, it's just that at the top-level, we know to which node set to apply the path on ←
16:18:03 <betehess> I mean, in xpath
Alexandre Bertails: I mean, in xpath ←
16:20:56 <SteveS> I prefer 3 (or 4), though I’m not sandro
Steve Speicher: I prefer 3 (or 4), though I’m not sandro ←
16:21:33 <betehess> this can get me started :-)
Alexandre Bertails: this can get me started :-) ←
16:21:52 <betehess> thanks
Alexandre Bertails: thanks ←
16:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM ←
16:35:01 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:35:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, +33.6.47.14.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, +33.6.47.14.aaaa ←
<TallTed> Present: Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, bblfish
18:58:51 <TallTed> #3 would be my pick. #4 preserves the confusing appearance that the "/" is part of "/schema".
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#3 would be my pick. #4 preserves the confusing appearance that the "/" is part of "/schema". ←
18:59:39 <betehess> I went for that, plus keeping the spaced around the =
Alexandre Bertails: I went for that, plus keeping the spaced around the = ←
18:59:44 <betehess> *spaces
Alexandre Bertails: *spaces ←
18:59:47 <TallTed> or... sorry. can't number in my head. #4 (better) or #3. not #5.
or... sorry. can't number in my head. #4 (better) or #3. not #5. ←
19:00:26 <betehess> right now I have:
Alexandre Bertails: right now I have: ←
19:00:27 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .
Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] . ←
19:00:46 <betehess> with html entities, sorry :-)
Alexandre Bertails: with html entities, sorry :-) ←
19:00:52 <TallTed> in context of the rest of #3, "attendee[ / schema" looks like an accidental omission
in context of the rest of #3, "attendee[ / schema" looks like an accidental omission ←
19:01:20 <betehess> this can be debated, as [...] is a filter on what's preceding
Alexandre Bertails: this can be debated, as [...] is a filter on what's preceding ←
19:01:35 <TallTed> "attendee [ / schema" reads more consistent, to my eye -- particularly given the "> ] ." at the end
"attendee [ / schema" reads more consistent, to my eye -- particularly given the "> ] ." at the end ←
19:01:52 <betehess> well, one is inside, the other is outside
Alexandre Bertails: well, one is inside, the other is outside ←
19:01:59 <betehess> but I really don't care
Alexandre Bertails: but I really don't care ←
19:02:24 <betehess> as Steve said he was also considering 4), I can just go with it as well
Alexandre Bertails: as Steve said he was also considering 4), I can just go with it as well ←
19:02:33 <TallTed> on the right-end, the square bracket is surrounded by spaces. on the left-end, it's not. that's inconsistent presentation, regardless of syntactical validity.
on the right-end, the square bracket is surrounded by spaces. on the left-end, it's not. that's inconsistent presentation, regardless of syntactical validity. ←
19:03:15 <TallTed> (this is where my history in graphic design, layout, and publishing jumps in)
(this is where my history in graphic design, layout, and publishing jumps in) ←
19:04:21 <betehess> note that my argument was not about (in)consistent presentation, rather about conveying the intent
Alexandre Bertails: note that my argument was not about (in)consistent presentation, rather about conveying the intent ←
19:04:37 <betehess> and note that I absolutely don't care about this specific issue
Alexandre Bertails: and note that I absolutely don't care about this specific issue ←
19:04:47 <betehess> which is why I am going with it :-)
Alexandre Bertails: which is why I am going with it :-) ←
19:51:45 <TallTed> :-)
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:-) ←
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