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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 24 November 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.24
Present
Arnaud Le Hors, Andrei Sambra, Ashok Malhotra, Roger Menday, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Steve Speicher, Sandro Hawke, Ted Thibodeau, Alexandre Bertails, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Henry Story
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Ted Thibodeau
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17 link
  2. Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec link
Topics
14:59:26 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/11/24-ldp-irc

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14:59:30 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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14:59:30 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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14:59:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:59:31 <trackbot> Date: 24 November 2014
14:59:54 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started

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15:00:00 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

15:00:11 <Zakim> +deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu

15:00:46 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

15:01:52 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

15:02:06 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

15:02:15 <pchampin> zakim, ??P8 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P8 is me

15:02:15 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

15:02:22 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve_Speicher

15:02:34 <SteveS> zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS

Steve Speicher: zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS

15:02:34 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

15:02:38 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

15:03:14 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

15:03:26 <Arnaud> zakim, OpenLink_Software is TallTed

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, OpenLink_Software is TallTed

15:03:26 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:04:00 <TallTed> Zakim, TallTed is OpenLink_Software

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, TallTed is OpenLink_Software

15:04:00 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software; got it

15:04:02 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

15:04:02 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

15:05:15 <Zakim> +Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre

15:06:29 <betehess> Zakim, who is on the phone?

Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, who is on the phone?

15:06:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, Alexandre

15:07:06 <TallTed> scribenick: TallTed

(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)

<TallTed> chair: Arnaud
<TallTed> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.11.24
<TallTed> topic: Admin

1. Admin

15:07:14 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17

PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17

15:07:28 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17

RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 17 November teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-11-17

15:08:00 <Zakim> +EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: +EricP

15:08:55 <deiu> Topic: LDP and Paging specs

2. LDP and Paging specs

15:09:38 <TallTed> Arnaud: Eric has scheduled transition request calls... we need test contributions for Paging

Arnaud Le Hors: Eric has scheduled transition request calls... we need test contributions for Paging

15:10:09 <SteveS> I said last week, we have and will do more

Steve Speicher: I said last week, we have and will do more

15:11:04 <TallTed> roger: implementation is likely, but no timeframe is settled

Roger Menday: implementation is likely, but no timeframe is settled

15:12:34 <Zakim> +??P11

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P11

15:12:44 <TallTed> Ashok: Oracle will probably implement whatever Paging comes out of LDP-Next

Ashok Malhotra: Oracle will probably implement whatever Paging comes out of LDP-Next

15:12:49 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P11 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P11 is me

15:12:49 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

15:12:54 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

15:12:54 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

15:13:26 <TallTed> Topic: LDPatch format

3. LDPatch format

15:13:43 <betehess> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Nov/0064.html

Alexandre Bertails: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Nov/0064.html

15:13:56 <TallTed> Arnaud: new draft was announced last week.  one issue was raised, with proposal for resolution.

Arnaud Le Hors: new draft was announced last week. one issue was raised, with proposal for resolution.

15:15:37 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 making leading slash of Path expression optional per Alexandre's email

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 making leading slash of Path expression optional per Alexandre's email

15:16:19 <TallTed> betehess: Path expressions were spec'ed with leading slash; wish was to spec *with* slash, mimicing SPARQL which was not inspiration for this syntax. proposal is to make the slash optional.

Alexandre Bertails: Path expressions were spec'ed with leading slash; wish was to spec *with* slash, mimicing SPARQL which was not inspiration for this syntax. proposal is to make the slash optional.

15:17:28 <Zakim> + +33.6.47.14.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +33.6.47.14.aaaa

15:17:47 <TallTed> ... XPath was inspiration, which uses leading slash to go up a step

... XPath was inspiration, which uses leading slash to go up a step

15:18:16 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:18:31 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

15:19:49 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:20:47 <TallTed> bblfish: has been using something similar in Scala and BananaRDF.  wonders if the confusion comes from doing Patch before Search.

Henry Story: has been using something similar in Scala and BananaRDF. wonders if the confusion comes from doing Patch before Search.

15:21:31 <betehess> proposed LD path production rule at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-path

Alexandre Bertails: proposed LD path production rule at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html#grammar-production-path

15:21:40 <betehess>  	path 	::= 	('/'? step | constraint )? ( '/' step | constraint )*

Alexandre Bertails: path ::= ('/'? step | constraint )? ( '/' step | constraint )*

15:21:46 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

15:22:30 <TallTed> Ashok: XPath leading-slash starts at the root of the tree.  what is leading-slash telling us here?

Ashok Malhotra: XPath leading-slash starts at the root of the tree. what is leading-slash telling us here?

15:23:30 <TallTed> ... what does a path of *just* a slash mean?

... what does a path of *just* a slash mean?

15:23:40 <TallTed> betehess: just a slash isn't allowed by the grammar

Alexandre Bertails: just a slash isn't allowed by the grammar

15:23:42 <bblfish> so a PointedGraph is defined as case class PointedGraph(node: Node, g: Graph)

Henry Story: so a PointedGraph is defined as case class PointedGraph(node: Node, g: Graph)

15:24:09 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

15:24:14 <betehess> a + 1 + 2 + 3

Alexandre Bertails: a + 1 + 2 + 3

15:25:18 <bblfish> https://github.com/InTheNow/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf/common/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/PointedGraph.scala

Henry Story: https://github.com/InTheNow/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf/common/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/PointedGraph.scala

15:25:42 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

15:26:16 <TallTed> pchampin: the path is not self-sufficient, it's relative to what came before it

Pierre-Antoine Champin: the path is not self-sufficient, it's relative to what came before it

15:26:31 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:26:43 <TallTed> ... in this context, the slash sets relativity to the subject that came before it

... in this context, the slash sets relativity to the subject that came before it

15:27:04 <sandro> q+ to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it

Sandro Hawke: q+ to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it

15:27:16 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

15:27:17 <bblfish> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala

Henry Story: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala

15:27:17 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:27:17 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to say then use a dot, and never put a space before it

15:27:20 <betehess> implementing it, you understand why it really makes sense

Alexandre Bertails: implementing it, you understand why it really makes sense

15:27:23 <betehess> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/topic/ldpatch/ldpatch/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/ldpatch/Semantics.scala#L181

Alexandre Bertails: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/topic/ldpatch/ldpatch/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/ldpatch/Semantics.scala#L181

15:27:33 <bblfish> exactly it's like a dot

Henry Story: exactly it's like a dot

15:27:52 <TallTed> sandro: so the slash here is like a dot in most programming languages these days -- subject.name is the subject's name

Sandro Hawke: so the slash here is like a dot in most programming languages these days -- subject.name is the subject's name

15:28:01 <sandro> .foo.bar

Sandro Hawke: .foo.bar

15:28:03 <sandro> s.foo.bar

Sandro Hawke: s.foo.bar

15:28:30 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

15:28:37 <TallTed> ... slash tends to suggest filepath or URL

... slash tends to suggest filepath or URL

15:28:39 <bblfish> https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala

Henry Story: https://github.com/w3c/banana-rdf/blob/master/rdf-test-suite/jvm/src/main/scala/org/w3/banana/diesel/DieselGraphExplorationTest.scala

15:28:48 <bblfish>  betehess / foaf.name

Henry Story: betehess / foaf.name

15:28:58 <betehess> it is a bit different in banana...

Alexandre Bertails: it is a bit different in banana...

15:29:02 <ericP> q+ to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)

Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)

15:29:03 <bblfish> val betehess: PointedGraph[Rdf] = (

Henry Story: val betehess: PointedGraph[Rdf] = (

15:29:05 <bblfish> ... )

Henry Story: ... )

15:29:06 <betehess> I know, I implemented it

Alexandre Bertails: I know, I implemented it

15:29:29 <betehess> there is no pointed graph here, bblfish

Alexandre Bertails: there is no pointed graph here, bblfish

15:29:35 <betehess> no

Alexandre Bertails: no

15:29:43 <sandro> So, there is a space.

Sandro Hawke: So, there is a space.

15:29:44 <sandro> -1

Sandro Hawke: -1

15:29:52 <Ashok> Eric, I believe a leading / indiactes the root of the doc on Xpath

Ashok Malhotra: Eric, I believe a leading / indiactes the root of the doc on Xpath

15:29:56 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn

Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn

15:29:59 <sandro> Bind ?event <#>/schema:performerIn

Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#>/schema:performerIn

15:30:24 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn[/schema:url\

Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> /schema:performerIn[/schema:url\

15:30:28 <betehess> I don't understand the space argument

Alexandre Bertails: I don't understand the space argument

15:30:31 <sandro> Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url\

Sandro Hawke: Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url\

15:32:06 <bblfish> perhaps someting like

Henry Story: perhaps someting like

15:32:07 <Arnaud> ack ericP

Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericP

15:32:07 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)

Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask how much a leading '/' shows up in XPath. (I never see it in XSLT.)

15:32:12 <bblfish> Bind ?event { <#> /schema:performerIn }

Henry Story: Bind ?event { <#> /schema:performerIn }

15:32:36 <betehess> yeah, the optional leading / also surprised me

Alexandre Bertails: yeah, the optional leading / also surprised me

15:32:42 <TallTed> ericP: in XPath, the slash is optional. is there difference between XSLT and XQuery?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: in XPath, the slash is optional. is there difference between XSLT and XQuery?

15:32:49 <bblfish> Bind ?event { <#>/schema:performerIn }

Henry Story: Bind ?event { <#>/schema:performerIn }

15:33:20 <TallTed> ... I don't have any leading slashes on paths in the XSLT I've written

... I don't have any leading slashes on paths in the XSLT I've read

15:33:36 <TallTed> s/written/read/
15:34:34 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

15:34:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

15:34:54 <betehess> i'd be ok with that

Alexandre Bertails: i'd be ok with that

15:35:00 <TallTed> sandro: is the solution to make the slash mandatory, and remove the space character from the example code?

Sandro Hawke: is the solution to make the slash mandatory, and remove the space character from the example code?

15:35:14 <betehess> q+

Alexandre Bertails: q+

15:35:29 <TallTed> pchampin: I'd prefer more spaces than fewer.  they make examples much clearer.

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'd prefer more spaces than fewer. they make examples much clearer.

15:35:30 <betehess> q-

Alexandre Bertails: q-

15:35:40 <sandro> sandro: I'm fine with a space before every slash

Sandro Hawke: I'm fine with a space before every slash [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

15:35:53 <bblfish> bethess "there is no pointed graph here, bblfish" <- that may be the problem in the explanation

Henry Story: bethess "there is no pointed graph here, bblfish" <- that may be the problem in the explanation

15:36:00 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>]  .

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .

15:36:08 <betehess> so, mandatory / and example with space before all /

Alexandre Bertails: so, mandatory / and example with space before all /

15:36:16 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>]  .

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .

15:36:31 <pchampin> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>]  .

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .

15:36:50 <betehess> no mandatory space

Alexandre Bertails: no mandatory space

15:37:06 <TallTed> TallTed: space-slash-space works best for me, for clarity in examples.  doesn't need to be mandatory in code.

Ted Thibodeau: space-slash-space works best for me, for clarity in examples. doesn't need to be mandatory in code.

15:37:48 <sandro> note the huge difference between " 1+2 " and "1 +2 "

Sandro Hawke: note the huge difference between " 1+2 " and "1 +2 "

15:37:58 <bblfish> agree spaces should not be mandatory, but in examples they may help clarify things

Henry Story: agree spaces should not be mandatory, but in examples they may help clarify things

15:38:09 <TallTed> and "1 + 2" and "1+ 2"

and "1 + 2" and "1+ 2"

15:38:31 <sandro> right.   asymmetric spacing on operators is very confusion.

Sandro Hawke: right. asymmetric spacing on operators is very confusion.

15:40:26 <betehess> PROPOSAL: mandatory / in grammar, examples in the spec with symmetric spacing around /

PROPOSED: mandatory / in grammar, examples in the spec with symmetric spacing around /

15:40:37 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec

15:40:55 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

15:40:56 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

15:41:05 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

15:41:12 <nmihindu> +0

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +0

15:41:15 <bblfish> q+1

Henry Story: q+1

15:41:17 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

15:41:21 <bblfish> +!

Henry Story: +!

15:41:23 <bblfish> +1

Henry Story: +1

15:41:24 <TallTed> +1 (it's not a `leading slash` because it's not a part of the element which follows )

+1 (it's not a `leading slash` because it's not a part of the element which follows )

15:41:35 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

15:41:37 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

15:41:37 <betehess> TallTed, exactly

Alexandre Bertails: TallTed, exactly

15:41:45 <sandro> (right, it's the "so-called leading slash")

Sandro Hawke: (right, it's the "so-called leading slash")

15:41:59 <bblfish> perhaps introducing the notion of a pointed graph would help.

Henry Story: perhaps introducing the notion of a pointed graph would help.

15:42:23 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-100 keeping leading slash required, making use of spaces consistent in the examples in the spec

15:42:38 <TallTed> subTopic: Timeline

3.1. Timeline

15:43:02 <betehess> it's a 20 minutes fix (need to update the implementation first, as the grammar is generated from there)

Alexandre Bertails: it's a 20 minutes fix (need to update the implementation first, as the grammar is generated from there)

15:43:10 <bblfish> I think it is worth waiting

Henry Story: I think it is worth waiting

15:43:31 <TallTed> Arnaud: do we decide to go to CR now, or do we need review time after this change?

Arnaud Le Hors: do we decide to go to CR now, or do we need review time after this change?

15:43:33 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

15:43:43 <bblfish> I'd like to read it, in more detail as it is gathering more support

Henry Story: I'd like to read it, in more detail as it is gathering more support

15:44:18 <TallTed> [ general consensus on taking a week to review, for 2014-12-01 vote on CR ]

[ general consensus on taking a week to review, for 2014-12-01 vote on CR ]

15:45:10 <TallTed> Topic: Charter

4. Charter

15:45:48 <betehess> q+

Alexandre Bertails: q+

15:45:54 <Arnaud> ack 1

Arnaud Le Hors: ack 1

15:45:57 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

15:46:02 <TallTed> Arnaud: I've had no objections to current content, and no requests for addition

Arnaud Le Hors: I've had no objections to current content, and no requests for addition

15:48:24 <bblfish> the specs

Henry Story: the specs

15:49:11 <betehess> for us, the most important missing feature is a simple query language

Alexandre Bertails: for us, the most important missing feature is a simple query language

15:52:37 <betehess> me too

Alexandre Bertails: me too

15:52:56 <nmihindu> me too, I think it is a very practical model

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: me too, I think it is a very practical model

15:53:00 <bblfish> Arnaud's proposal seems good. One would have to find out how to present features on the internet

Henry Story: Arnaud's proposal seems good. One would have to find out how to present features on the internet

15:57:08 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

15:57:15 <betehess> bye!

Alexandre Bertails: bye!

15:57:16 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

15:57:21 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

15:57:22 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

15:57:23 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:57:23 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:57:24 <Zakim> - +33.6.47.14.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +33.6.47.14.aaaa

15:57:25 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

15:57:28 <Zakim> -EricP

Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP

16:05:12 <Zakim> -deiu

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Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

16:15:37 <betehess> sandro, can you say which version you prefer?

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Alexandre Bertails: sandro, can you say which version you prefer?

16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#>/schema:attendee[/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>]  .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#>/schema:attendee[/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .

16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>]  .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [/schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5>] .

16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee[ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ]  .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee[ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .

16:15:38 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ]  .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:attendee [ / schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .

16:15:39 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ]  .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> /schema:attendee [ /schema:url=<https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .

16:15:40 <betehess> or something else?

Alexandre Bertails: or something else?

16:15:58 <betehess> in constraints, the left operand of / is implicit

Alexandre Bertails: in constraints, the left operand of / is implicit

16:16:15 <betehess> it's like a higher-order function whose argument is the current node

Alexandre Bertails: it's like a higher-order function whose argument is the current node

16:16:29 <betehess> so it's hard to "balance" the spacing in that case

Alexandre Bertails: so it's hard to "balance" the spacing in that case

16:17:55 <betehess>  note: unlike ericP said, / is not for the top node, it's just that at the top-level, we know to which node set to apply the path on

Alexandre Bertails: note: unlike ericP said, / is not for the top node, it's just that at the top-level, we know to which node set to apply the path on

16:18:03 <betehess> I mean, in xpath

Alexandre Bertails: I mean, in xpath

16:20:56 <SteveS> I prefer 3 (or 4), though I’m not sandro

Steve Speicher: I prefer 3 (or 4), though I’m not sandro

16:21:33 <betehess> this can get me started :-)

Alexandre Bertails: this can get me started :-)

16:21:52 <betehess> thanks

Alexandre Bertails: thanks

16:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

16:35:01 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

16:35:01 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, +33.6.47.14.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, +33.6.47.14.aaaa

<TallTed> Present: Arnaud, deiu, Ashok_Malhotra, Roger, pchampin, SteveS, Sandro, TallTed, Alexandre, EricP, nmihindu, bblfish
18:58:51 <TallTed> #3 would be my pick.  #4 preserves the confusing appearance that the "/" is part of "/schema".

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#3 would be my pick. #4 preserves the confusing appearance that the "/" is part of "/schema".

18:59:39 <betehess> I went for that, plus keeping the spaced around the =

Alexandre Bertails: I went for that, plus keeping the spaced around the =

18:59:44 <betehess> *spaces

Alexandre Bertails: *spaces

18:59:47 <TallTed> or... sorry.  can't number in my head.  #4 (better) or #3.  not #5.

or... sorry. can't number in my head. #4 (better) or #3. not #5.

19:00:26 <betehess> right now I have:

Alexandre Bertails: right now I have:

19:00:27 <betehess> Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .

Alexandre Bertails: Bind ?event <#> / schema:performerIn[ / schema:url = <https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F5> ] .

19:00:46 <betehess> with html entities, sorry :-)

Alexandre Bertails: with html entities, sorry :-)

19:00:52 <TallTed> in context of the rest of #3, "attendee[ / schema" looks like an accidental omission

in context of the rest of #3, "attendee[ / schema" looks like an accidental omission

19:01:20 <betehess> this can be debated, as [...] is a filter on what's preceding

Alexandre Bertails: this can be debated, as [...] is a filter on what's preceding

19:01:35 <TallTed> "attendee [ / schema" reads more consistent, to my eye -- particularly given the "> ]  ." at the end

"attendee [ / schema" reads more consistent, to my eye -- particularly given the "> ] ." at the end

19:01:52 <betehess> well, one is inside, the other is outside

Alexandre Bertails: well, one is inside, the other is outside

19:01:59 <betehess> but I really don't care

Alexandre Bertails: but I really don't care

19:02:24 <betehess> as Steve said he was also considering 4), I can just go with it as well

Alexandre Bertails: as Steve said he was also considering 4), I can just go with it as well

19:02:33 <TallTed> on the right-end, the square bracket is surrounded by spaces.  on the left-end, it's not.  that's inconsistent presentation, regardless of syntactical validity.

on the right-end, the square bracket is surrounded by spaces. on the left-end, it's not. that's inconsistent presentation, regardless of syntactical validity.

19:03:15 <TallTed> (this is where my history in graphic design, layout, and publishing jumps in)

(this is where my history in graphic design, layout, and publishing jumps in)

19:04:21 <betehess> note that my argument was not about (in)consistent presentation, rather about conveying the intent

Alexandre Bertails: note that my argument was not about (in)consistent presentation, rather about conveying the intent

19:04:37 <betehess> and note that I absolutely don't care about this specific issue

Alexandre Bertails: and note that I absolutely don't care about this specific issue

19:04:47 <betehess> which is why I am going with it :-)

Alexandre Bertails: which is why I am going with it :-)

19:51:45 <TallTed> :-)

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