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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 15 September 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.15
Present
Sandro Hawke, Andrei Sambra, Alexandre Bertails, John Arwe, Arnaud Le Hors, Cody Burleson, Steve Speicher, Ashok Malhotra, Sergio Fernández, Ted Thibodeau, Robert Sanderson, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Roger Menday
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Cody Burleson
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of Sep 8 approved. (no objection heard) link
  2. Approve new tests listed at http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved link
Topics
13:58:44 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/09/15-ldp-irc

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13:58:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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13:58:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

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13:58:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

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13:58:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:49 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2014
13:59:28 <Zakim> +Matt

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13:59:34 <deiu> Zakim, Matt is me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, Matt is me

13:59:34 <Zakim> +deiu; got it

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14:00:23 <Zakim> + +1.857.928.aabb

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14:00:29 <betehess> Zakim, aabb is Alexandre

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14:00:29 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it

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14:00:39 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:00:46 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:01:15 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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14:01:23 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me.

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14:01:23 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it

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14:01:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]

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14:02:05 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is SteveS

Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is SteveS

14:02:05 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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14:02:31 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:02:32 <Zakim> + +43.660.274.aacc

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14:02:45 <sergio> Zakim, +43.660.274.aacc is me

Sergio Fernández: Zakim, +43.660.274.aacc is me

14:02:45 <Zakim> +sergio; got it

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14:03:26 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:03:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.505.603.aaaa, Sandro, deiu (muted), Alexandre, JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.505.603.aaaa, Sandro, deiu (muted), Alexandre, JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio

14:03:28 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:03:40 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:03:40 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:03:42 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:03:42 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:04:20 <Arnaud> scribe: codyburleson

(Scribe set to Cody Burleson)

14:04:28 <sandro> like this s/old/new/

Sandro Hawke: like this s/old/new/

14:05:00 <deiu> 3 dots actually

Andrei Sambra: 3 dots actually

14:05:04 <Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
14:05:07 <sandro> 2 or 3

Sandro Hawke: 2 or 3

14:05:16 <SteveS> …Arnaud continues on

Steve Speicher: …Arnaud continues on

14:05:19 <Arnaud> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.09.15
14:05:32 <codyburleson> TOPIC: Approval of Minutes from Sep 8 meeting.

1. Approval of Minutes from Sep 8 meeting.

14:05:37 <azaroth> zakim, aaaa is me

Robert Sanderson: zakim, aaaa is me

14:05:37 <Zakim> +azaroth; got it

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14:05:59 <codyburleson> RESOLVED: Minutes of Sep 8 approved. (no objection heard)

RESOLVED: Minutes of Sep 8 approved. (no objection heard)

14:06:28 <Zakim> +??P2

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14:06:32 <codyburleson> TOPIC: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

<codyburleson> Arnaud: nothing to report

Arnaud Le Hors: nothing to report

14:06:43 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P2 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P2 is me

14:06:43 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

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14:06:50 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:06:50 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

14:06:53 <codyburleson> TOPIC: Paging

3. Paging

14:07:19 <codyburleson> Arnaud: Paging is now in last call and we have received a couple of comments; one, in fact, which I forgot to put on the agenda to discuss.

Arnaud Le Hors: Paging is now in last call and we have received a couple of comments; one, in fact, which I forgot to put on the agenda to discuss.

14:09:01 <codyburleson> … We have to prove to W3C mgmt that we have kept track of all the comments we have received. There is a tracker tool for this, but I haven't found it very helpful. We are free to use whatever tool we want. In my opinion, it would be better just to use a wiki page and list the comments (links) and outcome for each. Thoughts?

… We have to prove to W3C mgmt that we have kept track of all the comments we have received. There is a tracker tool for this, but I haven't found it very helpful. We are free to use whatever tool we want. In my opinion, it would be better just to use a wiki page and list the comments (links) and outcome for each. Thoughts?

14:09:10 <SteveS> I’m fine with using wiki for this, unfortunate the tool isn’t that helpful

Steve Speicher: I’m fine with using wiki for this, unfortunate the tool isn’t that helpful

14:09:34 <codyburleson> Ashok: The wiki ought to be OK.

Ashok Malhotra: The wiki ought to be OK.

14:09:58 <codyburleson> Arnaud: OK. We'll use the wiki.

Arnaud Le Hors: OK. We'll use the wiki.

14:10:11 <codyburleson> … OK. First comment on Paging.

… OK. First comment on Paging.

14:10:36 <SteveS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2014Aug/0002.html

Steve Speicher: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2014Aug/0002.html

14:11:09 <codyburleson> … The comment is about - Why do you guys don't choose something closer to HTTP where you use HTTP Range.

… The comment is about - Why do you guys don't choose something closer to HTTP where you use HTTP Range.

14:11:45 <codyburleson> … We need to agree on how we respond to this and then somebody needs to send the response. So, how do we want to respond?

… We need to agree on how we respond to this and then somebody needs to send the response. So, how do we want to respond?

14:12:30 <azaroth> q+

Robert Sanderson: q+

14:12:34 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:12:55 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

14:13:22 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: I don't think it's practical for RDF. It goes against the grain of RDF. Sets are unordered and every graph is a set of triples. Also, HTTP Range, from every thing I've heard, is not well implemented. That is to say, not a lot of servers implement it at all. I think this is why we threw it out a couple of years ago; we had this discussion long ago.

John Arwe: I don't think it's practical for RDF. It goes against the grain of RDF. Sets are unordered and every graph is a set of triples. Also, HTTP Range, from every thing I've heard, is not well implemented. That is to say, not a lot of servers implement it at all. I think this is why we threw it out a couple of years ago; we had this discussion long ago.

14:13:29 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

14:14:00 <codyburleson> Roger: I agree. RDF not being supported seems like a problem for paging in general.

Robert Sanderson: I agree. RDF not being supported seems like a problem for paging in general. So order isn't a good response for the comment.

14:14:10 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

14:14:35 <azaroth> s/Roger/azaroth/
14:14:48 <TallTed> range changed while we were working...  http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/httpbis/specs/rfc7233.html

Ted Thibodeau: range changed while we were working... http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/httpbis/specs/rfc7233.html

14:15:04 <TallTed> particularly http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/httpbis/specs/rfc7233.html#range.units.other

Ted Thibodeau: particularly http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/wg/httpbis/specs/rfc7233.html#range.units.other

14:15:53 <codyburleson> Sandro: I'm having a hard time actually seeing a problem with range. 2 possible problems. I don't know how to do server initiated paging with range. The other is that we lose the ability to have metadata on pages, but I haven't been able to come up with a compelling use case.

Sandro Hawke: I'm having a hard time actually seeing a problem with range. 2 possible problems. I don't know how to do server initiated paging with range. The other is that we lose the ability to have metadata on pages, but I haven't been able to come up with a compelling use case.

14:16:10 <azaroth> s/in general./in general. So order isn't a good response for the comment./
14:17:08 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:17:08 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:17:39 <codyburleson> Sandro: One of the problems with Paging is that it doesn't solve: you can't traverse a resource while it's changing in any safe way.

Sandro Hawke: One of the problems with Paging is that it doesn't solve: you can't traverse a resource while it's changing in any safe way.

14:17:48 <sandro> sandro: doesn't allow server initiation

Sandro Hawke: doesn't allow server initiation [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:18:09 <sandro> sandro: doesn't allow getting the date safely while things are being added/removed

Sandro Hawke: doesn't allow getting the date safely while things are being added/removed [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:18:22 <codyburleson> TallTed: It's based on something, which is static to some degree. We're doing this hybrid sort of thing. Decisions we've already made make using range more difficult.

Ted Thibodeau: It's based on something, which is static to some degree. We're doing this hybrid sort of thing. Decisions we've already made make using range more difficult.

14:19:32 <codyburleson> Sandro: RDF graph is changed often by adding or deleting a few triples.

Sandro Hawke: RDF graph is changed often by adding or deleting a few triples.

14:20:16 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I think the difference is what you guys are touching on. With Paged resources, like what we have in our model, there is an indirection, which you lose if you go down to the level of triples as you likely would with HTTP Range.

Arnaud Le Hors: I think the difference is what you guys are touching on. With Paged resources, like what we have in our model, there is an indirection, which you lose if you go down to the level of triples as you likely would with HTTP Range.

14:20:45 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: I don't think Jena gives me any guarantee I'm gonna get the same amount of triples in the same order.

John Arwe: I don't think Jena gives me any guarantee I'm gonna get the same amount of triples in the same order.

14:22:00 <betehess> you need more than a Jena Graph/Model to do paging

Alexandre Bertails: you need more than a Jena Graph/Model to do paging

14:22:01 <codyburleson> Sandro: In the general case, with a Jena based server, how would you do paging? First 10,000 triples, from that first batch, how would you continue?

Sandro Hawke: In the general case, with a Jena based server, how would you do paging? First 10,000 triples, from that first batch, how would you continue?

14:22:09 <azaroth> +q to ask about max-triple-count param

Robert Sanderson: +q to ask about max-triple-count param

14:22:57 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: What I would probably do is a sort of imperfect compromise. It gets ugly, I admit. But you could iterate through…. use predicate names themselves to divide the graoph into thin slices, and just keep track of the predicates you've already gone through.

John Arwe: What I would probably do is a sort of imperfect compromise. It gets ugly, I admit. But you could iterate through…. use predicate names themselves to divide the graoph into thin slices, and just keep track of the predicates you've already gone through.

14:23:08 <codyburleson> Sandro: What if it's pretty much all the same predicates.

Sandro Hawke: What if it's pretty much all the same predicates.

14:23:28 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:24:20 <Arnaud> ack azaroth

Arnaud Le Hors: ack azaroth

14:24:20 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to ask about max-triple-count param

Zakim IRC Bot: azaroth, you wanted to ask about max-triple-count param

14:24:29 <sandro> sandro: another problem with range: our data structures don't generally support integer indexing

Sandro Hawke: another problem with range: our data structures don't generally support integer indexing [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ]

14:24:32 <codyburleson> Sandro: I guess an answer here is that the data structures typically used by this sort of thing are not easy to implement. There is an implementation burden trying to add an extra index.

Sandro Hawke: I guess an answer here is that the data structures typically used by this sort of thing are not easy to implement. There is an implementation burden trying to add an extra index.

14:25:24 <JohnArwe> I agree w/ Rob

John Arwe: I agree w/ Rob

14:26:04 <Arnaud> ack Ashok

Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok

14:26:58 <codyburleson> Ashok: If you do not want to order triples, then you get some kind of default order. And if you are storing this stuff in any tables, there is always an order. You can take advantage of that.

Ashok Malhotra: If you do not want to order triples, then you get some kind of default order. And if you are storing this stuff in any tables, there is always an order. You can take advantage of that.

14:27:34 <codyburleson> Sandro: Ashok, is it reasonable for any table to ask for the arbitrary Nth row? In your technology is that something you can easily do?

Sandro Hawke: Ashok, is it reasonable for any table to ask for the arbitrary Nth row? In your technology is that something you can easily do?

14:27:38 <codyburleson> Ashok: Yes.

Ashok Malhotra: Yes.

14:27:58 <codyburleson> TallTed: There is no assurance the order is going to be set unless you put an ORDER BY.

Ted Thibodeau: There is no assurance the order is going to be set unless you put an ORDER BY.

14:28:12 <codyburleson> Ashok: That's what the SQL standard "says", yes.

Ashok Malhotra: That's what the SQL standard "says", yes.

14:28:45 <codyburleson> Arnaud: So…Do we have an answer for the commenter?

Arnaud Le Hors: So…Do we have an answer for the commenter?

14:28:57 <betehess> afaik, SQL doesn't expose the row number to the user

Alexandre Bertails: afaik, SQL doesn't expose the row number to the user

14:29:09 <betehess> not even the row id

Alexandre Bertails: not even the row id

14:29:30 <codyburleson> … the level of indirection we're getting from our model makes it easier to implement than if we were going to use HTTP Range with triples.

… the level of indirection we're getting from our model makes it easier to implement than if we were going to use HTTP Range with triples.

14:29:40 <Ashok> Yes, Alexandre, but many implementations support this

Ashok Malhotra: Yes, Alexandre, but many implementations support this

14:29:51 <sandro> proposed answer:    our data structures don't expose integer indexes

Sandro Hawke: proposed answer: our data structures don't expose integer indexes

14:30:08 <sandro> + server initiation

Sandro Hawke: + server initiation

14:30:20 <sandro> + safe changes during paging

Sandro Hawke: + safe changes during paging

14:30:28 <codyburleson> … I'm suggesting that's our answer to the commenter. My first reaction was "Yeah! Why don't we use this?" But I am convinced now that there are advantages to the model we have adopted so far. Some might think it is overkill but...

… I'm suggesting that's our answer to the commenter. My first reaction was "Yeah! Why don't we use this?" But I am convinced now that there are advantages to the model we have adopted so far. Some might think it is overkill but...

14:31:00 <codyburleson> Sandro: 1) Our data structures … indexes 2) Don't know how to do server initiation with paging 3) Don't know how to do safe changes while paging

Sandro Hawke: 1) Our data structures … indexes 2) Don't know how to do server initiation with paging 3) Don't know how to do safe changes while paging

14:31:18 <codyburleson> … I'm not sure that's a comment back to the commenter or a question back to him or her.

… I'm not sure that's a comment back to the commenter or a question back to him or her.

14:31:22 <sandro> "We don't know how to do these things"

Sandro Hawke: "We don't know how to do these things"

14:32:08 <codyburleson> Arnaud: We can make it both ways. We state that this is WHY we have what we have and leave it open for the commenter to continue the thread.

Arnaud Le Hors: We can make it both ways. We state that this is WHY we have what we have and leave it open for the commenter to continue the thread.

14:32:28 <JohnArwe> SQL idiom included in this sample: SELECT * FROM MyTable OFFSET 50 LIMIT 25

John Arwe: SQL idiom included in this sample: SELECT * FROM MyTable OFFSET 50 LIMIT 25

14:32:40 <codyburleson> Arnaud: Sandro, can you answer the commenter?

Arnaud Le Hors: Sandro, can you answer the commenter?

14:33:14 <codyburleson> Sandro: I think I should bring this up with the HTTP working group first.

Sandro Hawke: I think I should bring this up with the HTTP working group first.

14:33:19 <sandro> ericP, you around

Sandro Hawke: ericP, you around

14:33:24 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: How long will that take?

John Arwe: How long will that take?

14:33:45 <codyburleson> Sandro: It's completely unpredictable; I don't know.'

Sandro Hawke: It's completely unpredictable; I don't know.'

14:33:58 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: We have a 3 week last call period.

John Arwe: We have a 3 week last call period.

14:34:28 <codyburleson> Arnaud: OK. We will go with HTTP Working Group.

Arnaud Le Hors: OK. We will go with HTTP Working Group.

14:34:42 <codyburleson> … Another comment on Paging…

… Another comment on Paging…

14:35:03 <SteveS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2014Sep/0003.html

Steve Speicher: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-comments/2014Sep/0003.html

14:35:50 <SteveS> sounds like we need a paging best practices doc

Steve Speicher: sounds like we need a paging best practices doc

14:36:21 <azaroth>  /me was thinking the same thing

Robert Sanderson: /me was thinking the same thing

14:36:24 <codyburleson> Arnaud: The commenter is asking for us to document a comparison of options and why we made the choices we made.

Arnaud Le Hors: The commenter is asking for us to document a comparison of options and why we made the choices we made.

14:36:42 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: Is that asking for A W3C Note?

John Arwe: Is that asking for A W3C Note?

14:36:50 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I think an email will do.

Arnaud Le Hors: I think an email will do.

14:37:55 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: We're taking a conservative approach that is least likely to break anything.

John Arwe: We're taking a conservative approach that is least likely to break anything.

14:38:15 <codyburleson> … and we have two levels of ETag. On the page and the container.

… and we have two levels of ETag. On the page and the container.

14:38:24 <codyburleson> Arnaud: Can you reply to this email, John?

Arnaud Le Hors: Can you reply to this email, John?

14:38:45 <codyburleson> JohnArwe: I can put something out by Wed this week.

John Arwe: I can put something out by Wed this week.

14:40:22 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I suggest John responds to this email unless anyone has any differing opinions that what John has expressed.

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest John responds to this email unless anyone has any differing opinions than what John has expressed.

14:42:05 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

14:43:04 <JohnArwe> s/that what/than what/
14:43:22 <codyburleson> TOPIC? 2NN?

TOPIC? 2NN?

14:44:05 <codyburleson> Sandro: On that particular problem, the RC says that any client that does not recognize a 2NN code for any 2NN has to treat it as a 200.

Sandro Hawke: On that particular problem, the RC says that any client that does not recognize a 2NN code for any 2NN has to treat it as a 200.

14:44:18 <JohnArwe> Topic: 2nn

4. 2nn

14:44:22 <codyburleson> Arnaud: What is the status of the 2NN draft?

Arnaud Le Hors: What is the status of the 2NN draft?

14:44:31 <JohnArwe> it's an ietf draft

John Arwe: it's an ietf draft

14:45:08 <codyburleson> Sandro: …and the working group is kind of engaging an email on it. It's hard to tell.

Sandro Hawke: …and the working group is kind of engaging an email on it. It's hard to tell.

14:45:50 <JohnArwe> ietf draft statuses are more opaque from the outside than w3c, imo

John Arwe: ietf draft statuses are more opaque from the outside than w3c, imo

14:46:52 <codyburleson> Sandro: I am willing to engage more with the HTTP group on it. But, I am not personally too motivated for 2NN on paging.

Sandro Hawke: I am willing to engage more with the HTTP group on it. But, I am not personally too motivated for 2NN on paging.

14:47:22 <codyburleson> TOPIC: TEst Suite

5. Test Suite

14:47:37 <codyburleson> s/TEst Suite/Test Suite
14:47:56 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I think there are like 14 tests that are waiting for approval?

Arnaud Le Hors: I think there are like 14 tests that are waiting for approval?

14:47:57 <SteveS> http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

Steve Speicher: http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

14:48:39 <codyburleson> (There are 19 ready for approval on the list.)

(There are 19 ready for approval on the list.)

14:49:14 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I'd like to approve those tests. Anybody object?

Arnaud Le Hors: I'd like to approve those tests. Anybody object?

14:49:15 <SteveS> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html

Steve Speicher: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html

14:49:30 <codyburleson> SteveS: There are a number of implementations reporting to pass those tests already.

Steve Speicher: There are a number of implementations reporting to pass those tests already.

14:49:56 <azaroth> +1 to approve

Robert Sanderson: +1 to approve

14:50:03 <codyburleson> Arnaud: Sounds like we can approve those tests then. Any concerns? Are we rushing it?

Arnaud Le Hors: Sounds like we can approve those tests then. Any concerns? Are we rushing it?

14:50:24 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: approve new tests listed at http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

PROPOSED: approve new tests listed at http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

14:50:36 <azaroth> +1

Robert Sanderson: +1

14:50:36 <sergio> +1

Sergio Fernández: +1

14:50:37 <SteveS> +1 approving the 17 tests there

Steve Speicher: +1 approving the 17 tests there

14:50:38 <deiu> +1 (most seemed fine to me)

Andrei Sambra: +1 (most seemed fine to me)

14:50:42 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:50:44 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

14:50:44 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:50:46 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:50:52 <codyburleson> +1

+1

14:51:00 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Approve new tests listed at http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

RESOLVED: Approve new tests listed at http://w3c.github.io/ldp-testsuite/manifest/#tobeapproved

14:51:00 <MiguelAraCo> +1

Miguel Aragón: +1

14:51:08 <sergio> cool

Sergio Fernández: cool

14:51:23 <JohnArwe> SS trying to get word in

John Arwe: SS trying to get word in

14:51:24 <SteveS> thanks all, sergio I can make the change

Steve Speicher: thanks all, sergio I can make the change

14:51:28 <codyburleson> TOPIC: Status of various documents

6. Status of various documents

14:51:44 <SteveS> I was just going to say that I fixed the link in the agenda

Steve Speicher: I was just going to say that I fixed the link in the agenda

14:51:48 <sergio> perfect, SteveS

Sergio Fernández: perfect, SteveS

14:51:50 <codyburleson> Arnaud… LDP Spec is about to be published to LAST CALL.

Arnaud… LDP Spec is about to be published to LAST CALL.

14:52:04 <codyburleson> … Same is true for Access Control Use Cases Requirements Note

… Same is true for Access Control Use Cases Requirements Note

14:52:07 <JohnArwe> SS, did you make the pub request for main-LDP for tomorrow?

John Arwe: SS, did you make the pub request for main-LDP for tomorrow?

14:52:29 <codyburleson> … LDP PATCH format: We got the request on getting the short name approved

… LDP PATCH format: We got the request on getting the short name approved

14:52:29 <SteveS> JA, no..I will now

Steve Speicher: JA, no..I will now

14:52:53 <codyburleson> … all of our documents have been published now or in the middle of process now.

… all of our documents have been published now or in the middle of process now.

14:52:59 <SteveS> if not Tues, I wills shoot for Thurs, etc

Steve Speicher: if not Tues, I will shoot for Thurs, etc

14:53:24 <SteveS> s/wills/will/
14:53:42 <codyburleson> Arnaud: LDP Spec - we are waiting for implementation reports. We are republishing it as Last Call with indirect containers marked as At Risk.

Arnaud Le Hors: LDP Spec - we are waiting for implementation reports. We are republishing it as Last Call with indirect containers marked as At Risk.

14:54:19 <codyburleson> Arnaud: We had some problems on Primer with JSON-LD examples.

Arnaud Le Hors: We had some problems on Primer with JSON-LD examples.

14:54:29 <JohnArwe> nandana's on IRC...

John Arwe: nandana's on IRC...

14:54:32 <nmihindu> Arnaud, the JSON-LD examples are fixed

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, the JSON-LD examples are fixed

14:54:36 <codyburleson> … it would be nice to publish an update on the Primer with those updates fixed.

… it would be nice to publish an update on the Primer with those updates fixed.

14:54:57 <codyburleson> SteveS: I had some minor side comments that Nandana and Roger were going to work in.

Steve Speicher: I had some minor side comments that Nandana and Roger were going to work in.

14:55:04 <codyburleson> Arnaud: Nandana responded.

Arnaud Le Hors: Nandana responded.

14:55:06 <nmihindu> I am on the call, I can hear you

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I am on the call, I can hear you

14:55:16 <nmihindu> yes, we can publish an updated version.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: yes, we can publish an updated version.

14:55:33 <codyburleson> Arnaud: We should publish the updated draft of the Primer.

Arnaud Le Hors: We should publish the updated draft of the Primer.

14:55:37 <deiu> q+

Andrei Sambra: q+

14:55:43 <deiu> Zakim, ack me

Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ack me

14:55:43 <Zakim> unmuting deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: unmuting deiu

14:55:44 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see no one on the speaker queue

14:55:45 <Arnaud> ack deiu

Arnaud Le Hors: ack deiu

14:56:00 <JohnArwe> I'm off; see folks in a month

John Arwe: I'm off; see folks in a month

14:56:01 <nmihindu> Roger is making some updates to the introductions section, as soon as it is done, we can publish another version.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Roger is making some updates to the introductions section, as soon as it is done, we can publish another version.

14:56:04 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

14:56:10 <codyburleson> deiu: The date for LDP Patch document should be October 18th?

Andrei Sambra: The date for LDP Patch document should be October 18th?

14:56:23 <betehess> what if we're ready for tomorrow?

Alexandre Bertails: what if we're ready for tomorrow?

14:56:25 <codyburleson> Arnaud: It should be Sept 18th. That's a mistake.

Arnaud Le Hors: It should be Sept 18th. That's a mistake.

14:57:12 <betehess> yes, we can probably still do that for tomorrow

Alexandre Bertails: yes, we can probably still do that for tomorrow

14:57:19 <codyburleson> …change the date to Sept 16th.

…change the date to Sept 16th.

14:57:36 <codyburleson> Arnaud: I think we're done for the day.

Arnaud Le Hors: I think we're done for the day.

14:57:45 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:57:50 <codyburleson> … I'll put together the wiki page for the Last Call comments.

… I'll put together the wiki page for the Last Call comments.

14:58:04 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:58:08 <Zakim> -deiu

Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu

14:58:09 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:58:09 <azaroth> Thanks all :)

Robert Sanderson: Thanks all :)

14:58:09 <Zakim> -codyburleson

Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson

14:58:12 <Zakim> -sergio

Zakim IRC Bot: -sergio

14:58:13 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:58:14 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:58:15 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

14:58:31 <Zakim> -azaroth

Zakim IRC Bot: -azaroth

15:35:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, nmihindu, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, nmihindu, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

15:35:01 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:35:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.505.603.aaaa, Sandro, deiu, +1.857.928.aabb, Alexandre, JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, TallTed, azaroth, nmihindu, Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.505.603.aaaa, Sandro, deiu, +1.857.928.aabb, Alexandre, JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, TallTed, azaroth, nmihindu, Roger

<codyburleson> Present: Sandro, deiu, Alexandre, JohnArwe, Arnaud, codyburleson, SteveS, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, TallTed, azaroth, nmihindu, Roger


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