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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 August 2014

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.08.18
Present
Pierre-Antoine Champin, Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Steve Speicher, Alexandre Bertails, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Sandro Hawke, John Arwe, Ted Thibodeau
Regrets
Cody Burleson
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Alexandre Bertails, Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of August 11 approved. link
  2. let's use max-triple-count, max-record-count, max-kbyte-count with parms being integers link
  3. We'll including in the paging spec that we have AT RISK the three limits, first reached, and we might take out one, two, or all both before PR, or make them MAY instead of MUST. link
  4. Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal (explaining we're asking feedback about which direction to go) link
Topics
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13:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:25 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2014
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13:59:18 <pchampin> zakim, ??P5 is me

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13:59:52 <Zakim> +Arnaud

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14:00:28 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:00:41 <Zakim> +Steve_Speicher

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14:01:00 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is SteveS

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14:01:00 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

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14:01:02 <Zakim> + +1.857.928.aaaa

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14:01:11 <betehess> Zakim, aaaa is Alexandre

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14:01:13 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it

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14:03:33 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

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14:03:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Alexandre

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14:03:37 <Zakim> + +1.857.204.aabb

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14:03:42 <ericP> Zakim, aabb is me

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14:03:42 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

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14:03:51 <JohnArwe> zakim not working so well

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14:03:57 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:03:59 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:06:48 <betehess> scribe: Alexandre

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14:06:56 <betehess> scribenick: betehess
<betehess> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.08.18
<betehess> chair: Arnaud
14:07:05 <betehess> topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:07:22 <betehess> Arnaud: can we approve minutes of last week?

Arnaud Le Hors: can we approve minutes of last week?

<Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-08-11

Arnaud Le Hors: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-08-11

14:07:24 <sandro> scribe: sandro

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14:07:26 <sandro> scribenick: sandro
14:07:38 <sandro> arnaud: Minutes of last week?    Some issues around paging, but we'll get back to that

Arnaud Le Hors: Minutes of last week? Some issues around paging, but we'll get back to that

14:07:50 <sandro> Resolved: Minutes of August 11 approved.

RESOLVED: Minutes of August 11 approved.

<sandro> Arnaud: meet next week?

Arnaud Le Hors: meet next week?

<sandro> ... yes

... yes

14:08:02 <sandro> topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:08:16 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:08:23 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:08:23 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:08:24 <sandro> arnaud: sandro sent email re action-145

Arnaud Le Hors: sandro sent email re ACTION-145

14:08:26 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:08:26 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:08:36 <sandro> arn: So who is doing that work?

Arnaud Le Hors: So who is doing that work?

14:09:00 <sandro> arn: Someone needs to make the json-ld context -- mixed with the namespace document.

Arnaud Le Hors: Someone needs to make the json-ld context -- mixed with the namespace document.

14:09:23 <sandro> JohnArwe: Nandana said he could do it, according to minutes from last week

John Arwe: Nandana said he could do it, according to minutes from last week

14:09:28 <sandro> Arnaud: great.

Arnaud Le Hors: great.

14:09:29 <JohnArwe> regrets: cody
14:10:11 <sandro> topic: Paging

3. Paging

14:10:43 <sandro> Arnaud: Last week we decided to go to Last Call, making a few decisions.   Then JohnArwe came back from his trip and pointed out some problems with the decisions we made.

Arnaud Le Hors: Last week we decided to go to Last Call, making a few decisions. Then JohnArwe came back from his trip and pointed out some problems with the decisions we made.

14:11:36 <ericP> Arnaud, btw, i think i screwed up 149 (meant to move it to pending review). plh sent http://www.w3.org/mid/1408370806.2900.13.camel@chacal to the apps WG chair

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Arnaud, btw, i think i screwed up 149 (meant to move it to pending review). plh sent http://www.w3.org/mid/1408370806.2900.13.camel@chacal to the apps WG chair

14:11:53 <sandro> Arnaud: Regarding units, we had number-of-triples and we decided to add more units.

Arnaud Le Hors: Regarding units, we had number-of-triples and we decided to add more units.

14:12:20 <sandro> Arnaud: John said I dont know how to specify multiple units

Arnaud Le Hors: John said I dont know how to specify multiple units

14:12:35 <sandro> Arnaud: MUST or MAY -- does the server have to support this

Arnaud Le Hors: MUST or MAY -- does the server have to support this

14:13:19 <sandro> JohnArwe: How intentfully do you take the first

John Arwe: How intentfully do you take the first

14:13:34 <sandro> ericP: Someone specified both number of bytes and number of triples

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Someone specified both number of bytes and number of triples

14:13:52 <sandro> eric: I though 7240 was talking about lexically first

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I though 7240 was talking about lexically first

14:14:13 <sandro> JohnArwe: Two consecutive headers

John Arwe: Two consecutive headers

14:14:27 <sandro> Arnaud: Could be client just specifies one.

Arnaud Le Hors: Could be client just specifies one.

14:14:53 <sandro> eric: I thought use case was machine that was both memory bound and wanted to display ten units to user

Eric Prud'hommeaux: I thought use case was machine that was both memory bound and wanted to display ten units to user

14:15:17 <sandro> eric: Whichever is smallest

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Whichever is smallest

14:15:30 <sandro> eric: Not whether we allow people to specify multiple units, but is server responsible for respecting multiple limits

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Not whether we allow people to specify multiple units, but is server responsible for respecting multiple limits

14:15:49 <sandro> JohnArwe: Also, what syntax the client uses, since the existing syntax doesn't obviously support it.

John Arwe: Also, what syntax the client uses, since the existing syntax doesn't obviously support it.

14:16:00 <sandro> q+

q+

14:16:23 <sandro> Arnaud: Did people expect multiple units at the same time?

Arnaud Le Hors: Did people expect multiple units at the same time?

14:17:10 <sandro> strawpoll: 1=we need multiple syntaxes at the same time, 0=client just picks one

STRAWPOLL: 1=we need multiple syntaxes at the same time, 0=client just picks one

14:17:23 <SteveS> I don’t see need to support multiple (and server honors whichever is smallest), seems to be handling an edge case and adds more complication than needed.  Be good to ensure we could support ti.

Steve Speicher: I don’t see need to support multiple (and server honors whichever is smallest), seems to be handling an edge case and adds more complication than needed. Be good to ensure we could support ti.

14:17:37 <sandro> JohnArwe: It sounds like it came up on the fly, without existing use cases

John Arwe: It sounds like it came up on the fly, without existing use cases

14:18:21 <JohnArwe> on the strawpoll, it's mult units not mult syntaxes that's the first order question

John Arwe: on the strawpoll, it's mult units not mult syntaxes that's the first order question

14:18:23 <sandro> Arnaud: I suggest caution

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest caution

14:18:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro

14:20:09 <sandro> sandro: Why are we using return=representation, instead of our own preference

Sandro Hawke: Why are we using return=representation, instead of our own preference

14:21:22 <sandro> JohnArwe: We could do multiple preferences, or just have our current one with an extended syntax

John Arwe: We could do multiple preferences, or just have our current one with an extended syntax

14:21:41 <JohnArwe> options in play for units are triples, bytes, members

John Arwe: options in play for units are triples, bytes, members

14:21:51 <sandro> JohnArwe: we just have a problem with repeating the same parameter

John Arwe: we just have a problem with repeating the same parameter

14:22:17 <sandro> JohnArwe: But it's just a should

John Arwe: But it's just a should

14:22:22 <betehess> somebody has an example of things that could be repeated?

Alexandre Bertails: somebody has an example of things that could be repeated?

14:22:36 <JohnArwe> ...a 2119 should, as in "unless you have Good Reason to do otherwise"

John Arwe: ...a 2119 should, as in "unless you have Good Reason to do otherwise"

14:23:03 <sandro> ericP: It seems like when you're parsing you have three slots, bytes, triples, records.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: It seems like when you're parsing you have three slots, bytes, triples, records.

14:23:12 <Ashok> q+

Ashok Malhotra: q+

14:23:22 <Zakim> -pchampin

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14:23:26 <sandro> JohnArwe: Should use the first, should discard the others

John Arwe: Should use the first, should discard the others

14:23:49 <sandro> ericP: THat would be good if we're talking about the first/others on bytes, fr instance

Eric Prud'hommeaux: THat would be good if we're talking about the first/others on bytes, fr instance

14:23:53 <Ashok> q-

Ashok Malhotra: q-

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14:24:04 <pchampin> zakim, ??P5 is me

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14:24:24 <sandro> JohnArwe:   max-triple-count="500"     (one option)

John Arwe: max-triple-count="500" (one option)

14:26:44 <JohnArwe> ...sandro intends for the sugg above to replace pagesize="500 triples"

John Arwe: ...sandro intends for the sugg above to replace pagesize="500 triples"

14:26:51 <sandro> PROPOSED: let's use max-triple-count, max-record-count, max-kbyte-count  with parms being integers

PROPOSED: let's use max-triple-count, max-record-count, max-kbyte-count with parms being integers

14:26:53 <Ashok> +1 to Sandro's proposal

Ashok Malhotra: +1 to Sandro's proposal

14:27:14 <Arnaud> proposed: allow multiple units using separate parameters

PROPOSED: allow multiple units using separate parameters

14:27:15 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:27:22 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:27:24 <sandro> +1

+1

14:27:25 <betehess> +0

Alexandre Bertails: +0

14:27:28 <JohnArwe> +0

John Arwe: +0

14:27:41 <SteveS> +0 fine with just triple count

Steve Speicher: +0 fine with just triple count

14:27:56 <sandro> RESOLVED: let's use max-triple-count, max-record-count, max-kbyte-count  with parms being integers

RESOLVED: let's use max-triple-count, max-record-count, max-kbyte-count with parms being integers

14:29:23 <sandro> sandro: isnt there an overarching constraint that there can never be a MUST on the server on http PREFER

Sandro Hawke: isnt there an overarching constraint that there can never be a MUST on the server on http PREFER

14:29:42 <sandro> JohnArwe: I think we could say say every LDP server must support them.

John Arwe: I think we could say say every LDP server must support them.

14:30:25 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

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14:30:47 <sandro> PROPOSED: Make the three units be MUST, AT RISK for server

PROPOSED: Make the three units be MUST, AT RISK for server

14:31:16 <sandro> JohnArwe: TallTed, can your code do this?  How much implementation effort is this?

John Arwe: TallTed, can your code do this? How much implementation effort is this?

14:31:30 <sandro> TallTed: Byte-Range ?

Ted Thibodeau: Byte-Range ?

14:31:48 <sandro> JohnArwe: No one knows how to do that with RDF

John Arwe: No one knows how to do that with RDF

14:32:04 <sandro> TallTed: Clearly the right thing for the client is to allow byte limits

Ted Thibodeau: Clearly the right thing for the client is to allow byte limits

14:33:18 <sandro> sandro: Given the AT RISK, we can take it out if people don't implement it.

Sandro Hawke: Given the AT RISK, we can take it out if people don't implement it.

14:33:32 <sandro> SteveS: When all three are used.... what?

Steve Speicher: When all three are used.... what?

14:34:42 <sandro> sandro: I picture it as the server has three different checks of "have I reached the max-triple-count, if so then close up"    "have I reached the number of bytes, then if so close up", etc

Sandro Hawke: I picture it as the server has three different checks of "have I reached the max-triple-count, if so then close up" "have I reached the number of bytes, then if so close up", etc

14:35:12 <JohnArwe> ...sandro, you also said that At Risk also lets us change the Musts (understand each unit, now keyword) to Mays

John Arwe: ...sandro, you also said that At Risk also lets us change the Musts (understand each unit, now keyword) to Mays

14:35:41 <sandro> Arnaud: it's not easy

Arnaud Le Hors: it's not easy

14:35:47 <sandro> sandro: its's easy

Sandro Hawke: its's easy

14:35:48 <sandro> :-)

:-)

14:35:56 <sandro> PROPOSED: Make the three units be MUST, AT RISK for server

PROPOSED: Make the three units be MUST, AT RISK for server

14:35:57 <betehess> +0

Alexandre Bertails: +0

14:36:01 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:36:02 <ericP> +.3

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +.3

14:36:17 <sandro> +0.791

+0.791

14:36:19 <JohnArwe> I completely disagree that it's easy, with Jena and especially with built-in serializers.

John Arwe: I completely disagree that it's easy, with Jena and especially with built-in serializers.

14:37:38 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'll including in the paging spec that we have AT RISK the three limits, first reached, and we might take out one, two, or all both before PR, or make them MAY instead of MUST.

PROPOSED: We'll including in the paging spec that we have AT RISK the three limits, first reached, and we might take out one, two, or all both before PR, or make them MAY instead of MUST.

14:37:54 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:37:58 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:38:03 <sandro> +1

+1

14:38:10 <pchampin> +0

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +0

14:38:16 <betehess>  /me concurs with JohnArwe re: Jena and other serializers

Alexandre Bertails: /me concurs with JohnArwe re: Jena and other serializers

14:38:17 <betehess> +0

Alexandre Bertails: +0

14:38:32 <SteveS> -0 think it should be a should, I was fine with just triples

Steve Speicher: -0 think it should be a should, I was fine with just triples

14:38:32 <JohnArwe> +0 ok since at risk

John Arwe: +0 ok since at risk

14:38:43 <sandro> RESOLVED: We'll including in the paging spec that we have AT RISK the three limits, first reached, and we might take out one, two, or all both before PR, or make them MAY instead of MUST.

RESOLVED: We'll including in the paging spec that we have AT RISK the three limits, first reached, and we might take out one, two, or all both before PR, or make them MAY instead of MUST.

14:39:10 <sandro> JohnArwe: I think we're done, yeah.

John Arwe: I think we're done, yeah.

14:39:15 <sandro> topic: LD-PATCH

4. LD-PATCH

14:39:32 <sandro> Arnaud: We have a proposal, we had some pushback from Sandro and Eric with counter-proposals

Arnaud Le Hors: We have a proposal, we had some pushback from Sandro and Eric with counter-proposals

14:41:12 <sandro> Arnaud: we need to settle which direction we're taking, once and for all.

Arnaud Le Hors: we need to settle which direction we're taking, once and for all.

14:42:27 <ericP> sandro: i think it works but i'm skeptical that it will be adopted.

Sandro Hawke: i think it works but i'm skeptical that it will be adopted. [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

14:42:50 <ericP> ... i'm happy to see an FPWD after resolving the syntactical issues

Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... i'm happy to see an FPWD after resolving the syntactical issues

14:43:23 <JohnArwe> hmmm... sounds like same argument (in reverse) we just used to add mult units into a LC draft for paging

John Arwe: hmmm... sounds like same argument (in reverse) we just used to add mult units into a LC draft for paging

14:43:28 <betehess> I personally agree on only one change s/-/^/g

Alexandre Bertails: I personally agree on only one change s/-/^/g

14:43:55 <betehess> all the rest is different from SPARQL, that's why I don't want to make it look like it

Alexandre Bertails: all the rest is different from SPARQL, that's why I don't want to make it look like it

14:44:20 <sandro> ericP: We should ask the community, and the best way to do that is to publish.     so we can't decide before.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: We should ask the community, and the best way to do that is to publish. so we can't decide before.

14:44:33 <betehess> q+

Alexandre Bertails: q+

14:45:08 <JohnArwe> is the assumption that the patch syntax has to fit w/in LDP's charter extension period, which IIRC is YE2014?

John Arwe: is the assumption that the patch syntax has to fit w/in LDP's charter extension period, which IIRC is YE2014?

14:45:25 <Arnaud> ack betehess

Arnaud Le Hors: ack betehess

14:45:42 <sandro> sandro: I'm not convinced the semantics are diff from sparql

Sandro Hawke: I'm not convinced the semantics are diff from sparql

14:46:02 <sandro> betehess: If the semantics are different the syntax sould be different

Alexandre Bertails: If the semantics are different the syntax sould be different

14:46:07 <sandro> sandro: Sure, of course.

Sandro Hawke: Sure, of course.

14:46:38 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:46:46 <betehess> oh right, the slice operator :-)

Alexandre Bertails: oh right, the slice operator :-)

14:46:50 <betehess> will be ..

Alexandre Bertails: will be ..

14:47:18 <sandro> SteveS: If we can reuse syntax we should, community feedback is good, enumerate in draft the hot areas

Steve Speicher: If we can reuse syntax we should, community feedback is good, enumerate in draft the hot areas

14:47:32 <JohnArwe> q+

John Arwe: q+

14:47:38 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

14:47:41 <sandro> SteveS: raise issues, and put them directly in WD

Steve Speicher: raise issues, and put them directly in WD

14:48:18 <sandro> pchampin: About the syntax - I also agree we should change the slice separator, because colon looked too much like pname, but dotdot would be a much better choice

Pierre-Antoine Champin: About the syntax - I also agree we should change the slice separator, because colon looked too much like pname, but dotdot would be a much better choice

14:48:24 <sandro> -1000 backslash

-1000 backslash

14:48:28 <betehess> ok ok

Alexandre Bertails: ok ok

14:48:32 <betehess> :-)

Alexandre Bertails: :-)

14:48:47 <sandro> pchampin: lets do dotdot before fpwd

Pierre-Antoine Champin: lets do dotdot before fpwd

14:48:52 <SteveS> also, I believe we should try hard to reuse existing syntax/semantics but think we should highlight and get community feedback.  I haven’t gone through proposal in detail yet with my use cases

Steve Speicher: also, I believe we should try hard to reuse existing syntax/semantics but think we should highlight and get community feedback. I haven’t gone through proposal in detail yet with my use cases

14:48:56 <Arnaud> ack JohnArwe

Arnaud Le Hors: ack JohnArwe

14:48:59 <betehess> so, let's publish with s/-/^/ and s/>/../

Alexandre Bertails: so, let's publish with s/-/^/ and s/>/../

14:49:02 <ericP> backslashes suck in strings

Eric Prud'hommeaux: backslashes suck in strings

14:49:29 <sandro> JohnArwe: charter extension is to 6 months

John Arwe: charter extension is to 6 months

14:49:38 <betehess> ericP, they backsuck

Alexandre Bertails: ericP, they backsuck

14:49:45 <sandro> Arnaud: we're not thinking ld-patch will be done in this WG

Arnaud Le Hors: we're not thinking ld-patch will be done in this WG

14:50:02 <sandro> Arnaud: in re-chartered WG

Arnaud Le Hors: in re-chartered WG

14:51:00 <sandro> Arnaud: the hope is to recharter and continue it in followon WG

Arnaud Le Hors: the hope is to recharter and continue it in followon WG

14:51:11 <sandro> Arnaud: It would be hard to get it to REC by the end of the year

Arnaud Le Hors: It would be hard to get it to REC by the end of the year

14:51:23 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:51:52 <sandro> Arnaud: Do we want to highlight in status that we're not 100% sure this is the way we want to go?

Arnaud Le Hors: Do we want to highlight in status that we're not 100% sure this is the way we want to go?

14:52:06 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

14:52:17 <sandro> +1 say that, yeah

+1 say that, yeah

14:52:34 <betehess> q+

Alexandre Bertails: q+

14:52:44 <sandro> pchampin: Something that could help people understand the syntax.     Include a section on rewriting LD-PATCH into SPARQL update

Pierre-Antoine Champin: Something that could help people understand the syntax. Include a section on rewriting LD-PATCH into SPARQL update

14:52:46 <sandro> +1

+1

14:52:54 <SteveS> +1, should highlight in status yes

Steve Speicher: +1, should highlight in status yes

14:53:12 <betehess> this is called denotational semantics, and I completely agree

Alexandre Bertails: this is called denotational semantics, and I completely agree

14:53:19 <sandro> Arnaud: Yes, that'd be great

Arnaud Le Hors: Yes, that'd be great

14:53:25 <SteveS> +1 to LD-PATCH->SPARQL update section

Steve Speicher: +1 to LD-PATCH->SPARQL update section

14:53:58 <sandro> ericP: If we wrote up sandro or my proposal, we could include a reference to them in the document

Eric Prud'hommeaux: If we wrote up sandro or my proposal, we could include a reference to them in the document

14:54:16 <JohnArwe> +1 to pchampin

John Arwe: +1 to pchampin

14:54:31 <sandro> eric: If "SPARQL UPDATE" is unconstrainted, then people will like it more than it deserves

Eric Prud'hommeaux: If "SPARQL UPDATE" is unconstrainted, then people will like it more than it deserves

14:55:01 <betehess> so we are basically rewriting the constraints

Alexandre Bertails: so we are basically rewriting the constraints

14:55:13 <betehess> current text says: [[

Alexandre Bertails: current text says: [[

14:55:14 <betehess> The LD Patch format described in this document should be seen as an "assembly language" for updating RDF Graphs. It is the intention to confine its expressive power to an RDF diff with minimal support for blank nodes. For more powerful operations on RDF Graphs and Quad Stores, the LDP WG recommends the reader to consider SPARQL Update.  ]]

Alexandre Bertails: The LD Patch format described in this document should be seen as an "assembly language" for updating RDF Graphs. It is the intention to confine its expressive power to an RDF diff with minimal support for blank nodes. For more powerful operations on RDF Graphs and Quad Stores, the LDP WG recommends the reader to consider SPARQL Update. ]]

14:55:44 <betehess> (should add support for list in this description as well)

Alexandre Bertails: (should add support for list in this description as well)

14:55:54 <betehess> Arnaud, can we vote withing the next 5 minutes??

Alexandre Bertails: Arnaud, can we vote withing the next 5 minutes??

14:56:06 <betehess> publishing

Alexandre Bertails: publishing

14:56:10 <betehess> or not

Alexandre Bertails: or not

14:56:15 <betehess> then move on

Alexandre Bertails: then move on

14:56:52 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal

PROPOSED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal

14:56:55 <betehess> well, it's a draft, can be updated

Alexandre Bertails: well, it's a draft, can be updated

14:57:37 <Ashok> Yes, that looks like a good option

Ashok Malhotra: Yes, that looks like a good option

14:57:47 <sandro> PROPOSED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal (explaining we're asking feedback about which direction to go)

PROPOSED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal (explaining we're asking feedback about which direction to go)

14:57:54 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:57:59 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:57:59 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:58:00 <sandro> +0

+0

14:58:00 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:58:05 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

14:58:18 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:58:25 <sandro> RESOLVED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal (explaining we're asking feedback about which direction to go)

RESOLVED: Publish LD-PATCH as FPWD with inverse path and slice syntax fixed, possibly other raised issues (eg slash syntax), links to sandro's and eric's proposal (explaining we're asking feedback about which direction to go)

14:58:27 <ericP> +1

Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1

14:58:55 <betehess> ok, I will come up with an updated draft for tomorrow or Wednesday

Alexandre Bertails: ok, I will come up with an updated draft for tomorrow or Wednesday

14:59:25 <sandro> issue: should LD-PATCH use a slash like SPARQL does, instead of as it currently does?

ISSUE: should LD-PATCH use a slash like SPARQL does, instead of as it currently does?

14:59:26 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-100 - Should ld-patch use a slash like sparql does, instead of as it currently does?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/100/edit>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ISSUE-100 - Should ld-patch use a slash like sparql does, instead of as it currently does?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/100/edit>.

14:59:30 <Zakim> -TallTed

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14:59:31 <Zakim> -Alexandre

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14:59:34 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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14:59:37 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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14:59:47 <Zakim> -pchampin

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14:59:49 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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14:59:51 <Zakim> -SteveS

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14:59:55 <Zakim> -Sandro

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14:59:55 <Zakim> -Ericp

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ericp

14:59:56 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

14:59:56 <Zakim> Attendees were pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, +1.857.928.aaaa, Alexandre, +1.857.204.aabb, ericP, Sandro, JohnArwe, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, +1.857.928.aaaa, Alexandre, +1.857.204.aabb, ericP, Sandro, JohnArwe, TallTed

<sandro> Present: pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Alexandre, ericP, Sandro, JohnArwe, TallTed
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