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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group

Minutes of 14 July 2014

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.07.14
Present
John Arwe, Ashok Malhotra, Steve Speicher, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Alexandre Bertails, Sandro Hawke, Ted Thibodeau, Roger Menday
Chair
Ashok Malhotra
Scribe
Steve Speicher
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of 7 July 2014 approved link
  2. remove section 7.2.1 as it seems superfluous link
Topics
14:06:00 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's here?

John Arwe: zakim, who's here?

14:06:00 <Zakim> sorry, JohnArwe, I don't know what conference this is

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, JohnArwe, I don't know what conference this is

14:06:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, SteveS, betehess, TallTed, stevebattle11113, jmvanel, Yves, ericP, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, SteveS, betehess, TallTed, stevebattle11113, jmvanel, Yves, ericP, trackbot

14:06:00 <JohnArwe> zakim, this is LDP

John Arwe: zakim, this is LDP

14:06:00 <Zakim> ok, JohnArwe; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, JohnArwe; that matches SW_LDP()10:00AM

14:06:00 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's here?

John Arwe: zakim, who's here?

14:06:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, Steve_Speicher, ??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, Steve_Speicher, ??P0

14:06:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, SteveS, betehess, TallTed, stevebattle11113, jmvanel, Yves, ericP, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Ashok, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, SteveS, betehess, TallTed, stevebattle11113, jmvanel, Yves, ericP, trackbot

14:06:00 <SteveS> Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

Steve Speicher: Zakim, Steve_Speicher is me

14:06:00 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it

14:06:00 <Ashok> chair:  Ashok
14:06:00 <betehess> Zakim, code?

Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, code?

14:06:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), betehess

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 53794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), betehess

14:07:00 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P0 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P0 is me

14:07:00 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:07:00 <SteveS> Scribe: SteveS

(Scribe set to Steve Speicher)

<SteveS> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.07.14
14:07:00 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:07:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu

14:07:00 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:07:00 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me

14:07:00 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted

14:07:00 <SteveS> Chair: Ashok
14:08:00 <betehess> Zakim, [IPcaller] is Alexandre

Alexandre Bertails: Zakim, [IPcaller] is Alexandre

14:08:00 <Zakim> +Alexandre; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Alexandre; got it

14:08:00 <SteveS> Topic: Minutes from 7-July-2014

1. Minutes from 7-July-2014

14:08:00 <Ashok> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-07

Ashok Malhotra: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-07-07

14:08:00 <SteveS> Ashok: any objections to approving?

Ashok Malhotra: any objections to approving?

14:08:00 <SteveS> (no objections heard)

(no objections heard)

<SteveS> resolved: Minutes of 7 July 2014 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of 7 July 2014 approved

14:09:00 <SteveS> next meeting is July 21

next meeting is July 21

14:09:00 <SteveS> Topic: Pending actions

2. Pending review actionss

14:09:00 <RRSAgent> jmvanel left the chat room. (Client closed connection)

RRSAgent IRC Bot: jmvanel left the chat room. (Client closed connection)

14:09:00 <JohnArwe> action-143?

John Arwe: ACTION-143?

14:09:00 <trackbot> action-143 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to Validate the JSON-LD examples of the primer -- due 2014-07-12 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-143 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to Validate the JSON-LD examples of the primer -- due 2014-07-12 -- OPEN

14:09:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/143

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/143

14:09:00 <SteveS> s/Pending action/Pending review actions/
14:09:00 <nmihindu> ACTION-143 is onging

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ACTION-143 is on-going

14:10:00 <JohnArwe> s/onging/on-going/
14:10:00 <SteveS> Topic: Paging spec

3. Paging spec

14:11:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: everything is on the list, had a number of questions and Sandro only responded to a few of them.

John Arwe: everything is on the list, had a number of questions and Sandro only responded to a few of them.

14:11:00 <SteveS> Most important item, is the first one which states now a paging client MUST have page size request header in order to initiate it

Most important item, is the first one which states now a paging client MUST have page size request header in order to initiate it

14:12:00 <SteveS> Ashok: seems fine to me

Ashok Malhotra: seems fine to me

14:12:00 <SteveS> SteveS: agrees that this MUST is what we discussed

Steve Speicher: agrees that this MUST is what we discussed

14:13:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: this is live in the editor's draft

John Arwe: this is live in the editor's draft

14:13:00 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

14:13:00 <SteveS> Ashok: I have a number of comments, that we can discuss

Ashok Malhotra: I have a number of comments, that we can discuss

14:14:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: had responded

John Arwe: had responded

14:14:00 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0025.html

John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0025.html

14:15:00 <SteveS> (John and Ashok recap the email discussion)

(John and Ashok recap the email discussion)

14:16:00 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:16:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: it is stated that you must supply forward links (next) and may supply backward links (prev) but not as clearly stated

John Arwe: it is stated that you must supply forward links (next) and may supply backward links (prev) but not as clearly stated

14:16:00 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:16:00 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

14:16:00 <JohnArwe> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html#ldpr-Paging

John Arwe: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html#ldpr-Paging

14:16:00 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:16:00 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:17:00 <JohnArwe> 6.2.2.9 is where the link normative stmts start

John Arwe: 6.2.2.9 is where the link normative stmts start

14:18:00 <JohnArwe> 6.1 is non-normative

John Arwe: 6.1 is non-normative

14:19:00 <RRSAgent> jmvanel joined the chat room.

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14:19:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: wanting to ensure normative sections are solid, then make a pass on the non-normative to catch up

John Arwe: wanting to ensure normative sections are solid, then make a pass on the non-normative to catch up

14:19:00 <RRSAgent> sandro joined the chat room.

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14:19:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/14-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/07/14-ldp-irc

14:20:09 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

14:20:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu (muted), Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu (muted), Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed (muted)

14:20:29 <sandro> RRSAgent, make logs public

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make logs public

14:20:34 <SteveS> Ashok: something about knowing when things change and etags, but found it a bit unclear ... unless you really know this stuff

Ashok Malhotra: something about knowing when things change and etags, but found it a bit unclear ... unless you really know this stuff

14:20:56 <sandro> It looks like no one invited RRSAgent.  :-(   Not sure what's happening in the meeting so far.

Sandro Hawke: It looks like no one invited RRSAgent. :-( Not sure what's happening in the meeting so far.

14:21:14 <SteveS> JohnArwe: have added some text to 6.2.2.7

John Arwe: have added some text to 6.2.2.7

14:21:37 <SteveS> sandro, I thought I did…never got confirmation it happened, seemed slow

sandro, I thought I did…never got confirmation it happened, seemed slow

14:21:46 <sandro> :-(

Sandro Hawke: :-(

14:21:51 <JohnArwe> I manually invited zakim

John Arwe: I manually invited zakim

14:22:04 <Zakim> +Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: +Roger

14:22:04 <SteveS> sandro, we are reviewing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0025.html

sandro, we are reviewing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0025.html

14:22:33 <SteveS> Ashok: non-normative wording really helps

Ashok Malhotra: non-normative wording really helps

14:23:48 <SteveS> sandro: haven't had a chance to reread for last few weeks, but believe my technical concerns have been raised

Sandro Hawke: haven't had a chance to reread for last few weeks, but believe my technical concerns have been addressed

14:23:52 <JohnArwe> You will find the new "ldp paging clients must have page size in their requests" clause in the client section, sandro.

John Arwe: You will find the new "ldp paging clients must have page size in their requests" clause in the client section, sandro.

14:23:58 <SteveS> ... don't hold it up based on my review

... don't hold it up based on my review

14:24:19 <sandro> excellent, JohnArwe

Sandro Hawke: excellent, JohnArwe

14:24:20 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?

Ashok Malhotra: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:24:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu (muted), Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed (muted), Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu (muted), Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed (muted), Roger

14:24:22 <SteveS> Ashok: Is this ready for LC2?

Ashok Malhotra: Is this ready for LC2?

14:24:58 <sandro> s/concerns have been raised/concerns have been addressed/
14:26:16 <SteveS> SteveS: haven't had a chance to review, would like another week

Steve Speicher: haven't had a chance to review, would like another week

14:26:40 <SteveS> Ashok: let's plan on putting the proposal to go to LC2 on the 21st

Ashok Malhotra: let's plan on putting the proposal to go to LC2 on the 21st

14:27:18 <JohnArwe> 7.2.1 Each Linked Data Platform Paging Container MUST also be a conforming Linked Data Platform Container.

John Arwe: 7.2.1 Each Linked Data Platform Paging Container MUST also be a conforming Linked Data Platform Container.

14:27:47 <JohnArwe> in earlier email, I said "looks unneeded"... sandro responded that it looked superfluous to him as well.

John Arwe: in earlier email, I said "looks unneeded"... sandro responded that it looked superfluous to him as well.

14:27:50 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:27:50 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:29:39 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: remove section 7.2.1 as it seems superfluous

PROPOSED: remove section 7.2.1 as it seems superfluous

14:30:46 <SteveS> +1

+1

14:30:57 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:30:57 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:31:00 <betehess> +1

Alexandre Bertails: +1

14:31:01 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:31:01 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:31:03 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:31:38 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: remove section 7.2.1 as it seems superfluous

RESOLVED: remove section 7.2.1 as it seems superfluous

14:33:00 <SteveS> JohnArwe: will update the paging draft after this meeting and send notice to the WG to review in preparation for 21st

John Arwe: will update the paging draft after this meeting and send notice to the WG to review in preparation for 21st

14:33:06 <SteveS> Topic: Spec implementations

4. Spec implementations

14:33:58 <Ashok> SteveS:  Changes to test suite

Steve Speicher: Changes to test suite [ Scribe Assist by Ashok Malhotra ]

14:34:16 <SteveS> SteveS: received results from Eclipse Lyo and Apache Marmotta

Steve Speicher: received results from Eclipse Lyo and Apache Marmotta

14:34:52 <SteveS> SteveS: need to have results received so far regenerate this results

Steve Speicher: need to have results received so far regenerate this results

14:35:05 <SteveS> Reports at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html

Reports at https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/tests/reports/ldp.html

14:35:17 <SteveS> Topic: Primer

5. Primer

14:35:30 <nmihindu> we are fixing the JSON examples

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we are fixing the JSON examples

14:35:54 <SteveS> roger: hope to have by next week

Roger Menday: hope to have by next week

14:35:55 <nmihindu> we will be ready for another draft probably next week

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we will be ready for another draft probably next week

14:36:17 <SteveS> Topic: Access Control

6. Access Control

14:36:42 <SteveS> Ashok: other than bblfish , TallTed and Ashok don’t feel like anyone else has reviewed

Ashok Malhotra: other than bblfish , TallTed and Ashok don’t feel like anyone else has reviewed

14:36:54 <SteveS> ... can we publish as FPWD?

... can we publish as FPWD?

14:37:23 <SteveS> ... hesitant if more have reviewed or commented on it

... hesitant if more have reviewed or commented on it

14:37:34 <SteveS> Ashok: Do people think we should publish it?

Ashok Malhotra: Do people think we should publish it?

14:37:46 <SteveS> TallTed: fine

Ted Thibodeau: fine

14:38:14 <SteveS> PROPOSAL: publish Access Control UC&R as FPWD

PROPOSED: publish Access Control UC&R as FPWD

14:38:32 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:38:37 <SteveS> SteveS: +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:38:39 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:38:44 <betehess> +1 even if I hadn't had time to read it, FPWD will be the occasion :-)

Alexandre Bertails: +1 even if I hadn't had time to read it, FPWD will be the occasion :-)

14:39:04 <nmihindu> +0.9 didn't have a time to review it yet

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +0.9 didn't have a time to review it yet

14:39:09 <sandro> +0 havent looked at it :-(

Sandro Hawke: +0 havent looked at it :-(

14:39:31 <JohnArwe> +0 ala sandro

John Arwe: +0 ala sandro

14:39:46 <SteveS> sandro: are any revisions planned?

Sandro Hawke: are any revisions planned?

14:40:15 <SteveS> sandro: saying we could just publish it as a NOTE, if we are not planning on changing it

Sandro Hawke: saying we could just publish it as a NOTE, if we are not planning on changing it

14:40:39 <SteveS> Ashok: if published as a NOTE, can we update it?

Ashok Malhotra: if published as a NOTE, can we update it?

14:40:53 <SteveS> sandro: yes, just as easy as FPWD

Sandro Hawke: yes, just as easy as FPWD

14:42:27 <SteveS> Ashok: withdrawal proposal and we’ll shoot for WG-NOTE instead, leaving another week for review

Ashok Malhotra: withdrawal proposal and we’ll shoot for WG-NOTE instead, leaving another week for review

14:42:49 <SteveS> Topic: BP&G

7. BP&G

14:44:28 <SteveS> SteveS: based on list, appears it is ready for publication

Steve Speicher: based on list, appears it is ready for publication

14:44:39 <nmihindu> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0032.html

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2014Jul/0032.html

14:44:57 <SteveS> Topic: 2NN

8. 2NN

14:45:10 <SteveS> Ashok: no update received

Ashok Malhotra: no update received

14:45:19 <SteveS> Topic: LD Patch format

9. LD Patch format

14:45:39 <SteveS> Draft added to Mercurial http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html

Draft added to Mercurial http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/ldpatch/ldpatch.html

14:46:18 <SteveS> betehess: out there for review, might be good to plan for a formal review / walkthru of the document

Alexandre Bertails: out there for review, might be good to plan for a formal review / walkthru of the document

14:46:34 <SteveS> betehess: plan on about 10 minutes for review on the 21st

Alexandre Bertails: plan on about 10 minutes for review on the 21st

14:47:00 <SteveS> Ashok: thinks 10 may not be enough

Ashok Malhotra: thinks 10 may not be enough

14:47:05 <Ashok> ... maybe longer

Ashok Malhotra: ... maybe longer

14:47:13 <SteveS> betehess: will discuss with Arnaud and come up a plan

Alexandre Bertails: will discuss with Arnaud and come up a plan

14:47:25 <SteveS> Ashok: any other topics?

Ashok Malhotra: any other topics?

14:47:30 <SteveS> (hearing crickets)

(hearing crickets)

14:48:10 <SteveS> Ashok: meeting adjourned

Ashok Malhotra: meeting adjourned

14:48:57 <betehess> thanks Ashok for chairing

Alexandre Bertails: thanks Ashok for chairing

14:48:58 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:48:59 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

14:49:00 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

14:49:01 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

14:49:01 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:49:02 <Zakim> -Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger

14:49:03 <Zakim> -Alexandre

Zakim IRC Bot: -Alexandre

14:49:12 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

14:49:13 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

14:49:13 <Zakim> Attendees were JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu, Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed, Roger

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu, Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed, Roger

<SteveS> Present: JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, nmihindu, Alexandre, Sandro, TallTed, Roger
14:49:37 <SteveS> rrsagent, create minutes

rrsagent, create minutes

14:49:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2014/07/14-ldp-minutes.html SteveS

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14:49:49 <SteveS> rrsagent, publish minutes

rrsagent, publish minutes

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