14:03:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/06/09-ldp-irc
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14:03:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:03:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
14:03:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:03:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:03:37 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2014
14:03:39 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
14:03:40 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see MIT531, Roger, JohnArwe, OpenLink_Software, [IPcaller], bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MIT531, Roger, JohnArwe, OpenLink_Software, [IPcaller], bblfish ←
14:03:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, roger, codyburleson, deiu, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, stevebattle11111, jmvanel, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, roger, codyburleson, deiu, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, stevebattle11111, jmvanel, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP ←
14:03:43 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller] ←
14:03:47 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:03:47 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:04:01 <deiu> Zakim, MIT531 is deiu
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, MIT531 is deiu ←
14:04:01 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
14:04:10 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:04:17 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
14:04:17 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +codyburleson; got it ←
14:04:19 <deiu> Arnaud will be here soon
Andrei Sambra: Arnaud will be here soon ←
14:04:19 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
14:05:12 <bblfish> Alexandre Bertails is in a train from the South of France to Paris so he'll probably have difficulty connecting.
Henry Story: Alexandre Bertails is in a train from the South of France to Paris so he'll probably have difficulty connecting. ←
14:05:49 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
14:05:51 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
14:06:56 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
14:07:26 <deiu> Zakim, deiu is with Arnaud and Ashok
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, deiu is with Arnaud and Ashok ←
14:07:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'deiu is with Arnaud and Ashok', deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'deiu is with Arnaud and Ashok', deiu ←
14:07:55 <deiu> Zakim, deiu is with Arnaud
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, deiu is with Arnaud ←
14:07:55 <Zakim> sorry, deiu, I do not recognize a party named 'Arnaud'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, deiu, I do not recognize a party named 'Arnaud' ←
14:08:04 <TallTed> Zakim, Arnaud has deiu
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, Arnaud has deiu ←
14:08:04 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named 'Arnaud'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, TallTed, I do not recognize a party named 'Arnaud' ←
14:08:14 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
14:08:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, Roger, JohnArwe, TallTed, bblfish, codyburleson, pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, Roger, JohnArwe, TallTed, bblfish, codyburleson, pchampin ←
14:08:17 <deiu> Zakim: deiu has Arnaud
14:08:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see Arnaud1, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, roger, codyburleson, deiu, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, stevebattle11111, jmvanel, sandro, trackbot,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Arnaud1, pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, roger, codyburleson, deiu, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, SteveS, Arnaud, stevebattle11111, jmvanel, sandro, trackbot, ←
14:08:17 <Zakim> ... Yves, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves, ericP ←
14:08:22 <deiu> Zakim, deiu has Arnaud
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, deiu has Arnaud ←
14:08:22 <Zakim> +Arnaud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud; got it ←
14:08:23 <TallTed> Zakim, deiu has Arnaud
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, deiu has Arnaud ←
14:08:23 <Zakim> Arnaud was already listed in deiu, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: Arnaud was already listed in deiu, TallTed ←
14:08:27 <deiu> Zakim, deiu has Ashok
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, deiu has Ashok ←
14:08:27 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok; got it ←
14:08:34 <bblfish> Zakim, do you know what the question to the answer 42 is?
Henry Story: Zakim, do you know what the question to the answer 42 is? ←
14:08:35 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, bblfish.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, bblfish. ←
14:08:37 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
14:08:48 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
14:08:48 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted ←
14:09:02 <deiu> Zakim, deiu has sandro
Zakim, deiu has sandro ←
14:09:02 <Zakim> +sandro; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro; got it ←
14:09:48 <deiu> Topic: Approval of Minutes
14:10:14 <deiu> Arnaud: any objects for minutes from June 2nd?
Arnaud Le Hors: any objects for minutes from June 2nd? ←
14:10:19 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:10:21 <deiu> Resolved: Minutes of 2 June 2014 approved
RESOLVED: Minutes of 2 June 2014 approved ←
14:10:35 <deiu> ... we'll be meeting again next week. Any problems with meeting next week?
... we'll be meeting again next week. Any problems with meeting next week? ←
14:10:38 <deiu> ... I guess not
... I guess not ←
<deiu> Resolved: Next meeting on 23 June 2014
RESOLVED: Next meeting on 23 June 2014 ←
14:10:49 <deiu> Topic: Tracking of actions and issues
14:11:00 <deiu> Arnaud: does anyone want to report any success?
Arnaud Le Hors: does anyone want to report any success? ←
14:11:01 <ericP> progress http://www.w3.org/2014/02/2xx/draft-prudhommeaux-http-status-2NN.xml
Eric Prud'hommeaux: progress http://www.w3.org/2014/02/2xx/draft-prudhommeaux-http-status-2NN.xml ←
14:11:09 <deiu> ericP: there's been some progress
Eric Prud'hommeaux: there's been some progress ←
14:11:19 <deiu> ... I'd like to talk about a few items if we have time
... I'd like to talk about a few items if we have time ←
14:11:28 <deiu> Arnaud: we can close action 140
Arnaud Le Hors: we can close ACTION-140 ←
14:11:32 <deiu> ericP: Yeeeeeeey
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Yeeeeeeey ←
14:11:33 <bblfish> Action 140
14:11:41 <bblfish> Action-140
14:11:41 <trackbot> Action-140 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to Schedule concall for ldp spec transition to cr -- due 2014-05-19 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-140 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to Schedule concall for ldp spec transition to cr -- due 2014-05-19 -- OPEN ←
14:11:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/140
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/140 ←
14:11:49 <deiu> Arnaud: anything else we can close on the actions list?
Arnaud Le Hors: anything else we can close on the actions list? ←
14:12:03 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:12:06 <deiu> TallTed: there's been progress on the ACL document
Ted Thibodeau: there's been progress on the ACL document ←
14:12:18 <deiu> roger: I made a little bit of progress with Action-53
Roger Menday: I made a little bit of progress with ACTION-53 ←
14:12:39 <bblfish> TallTed is the ACL document in github?
Henry Story: TallTed is the ACL document in hg? ←
14:12:51 <deiu> Arnaud: there is not such status as "almost" closed, so you guys still need to properly close it
Arnaud Le Hors: there is not such status as "almost" closed, so you guys still need to properly close it ←
<deiu> topic: LDP spec & charter extension
14:12:59 <deiu> Arnaud: let's start with LDP spec
Arnaud Le Hors: let's start with LDP spec ←
14:13:11 <bblfish> s/github/hg/
14:13:14 <deiu> ... the call went well last week and we got approval to move to CR
... the call went well last week and we got approval to move to CR ←
14:13:25 <deiu> ... we got some comments from Philippe
... we got some comments from Philippe ←
14:13:48 <deiu> ... it's mostly about highlighting the features at risk; nothing really substantial
... it's mostly about highlighting the features at risk; nothing really substantial ←
14:14:02 <deiu> ... we're still working on actually publishing the spec
... we're still working on actually publishing the spec ←
14:14:13 <deiu> ... we also talked about having an extension for the current charter
... we also talked about having an extension for the current charter ←
14:14:33 <deiu> this is not a rechartering, just an extension; it doesn't require full AC review
this is not a rechartering, just an extension; it doesn't require full AC review ←
14:14:55 <deiu> ... we were asked "why 6 months, is that enough?"
... we were asked "why 6 months, is that enough?" ←
14:15:06 <deiu> ... I'm confident we can get at least the main spec out, and maybe paging
... I'm confident we can get at least the main spec out, and maybe paging ←
14:15:16 <deiu> ... I'm not sure about LD Patch
... I'm not sure about LD Patch ←
14:15:51 <deiu> ... 6 months is ok, getting a year is tough
... 6 months is ok, getting a year is tough ←
14:16:11 <deiu> Ashok: if we can add ACL to the deliverables, will that require review by AC?
Ashok Malhotra: if we can add ACL to the deliverables, will that require review by AC? ←
14:16:30 <deiu> Arnaud: short answer: yes, it will require a new charter since it's out of scope today
Arnaud Le Hors: short answer: yes, it will require a new charter since it's out of scope today ←
14:16:42 <deiu> ... we can think about that after these 6 months
... we can think about that after these 6 months ←
14:16:58 <deiu> ... I intend to draft the request once I'm done with the AC meeting
... I intend to draft the request once I'm done with the AC meeting ←
14:17:21 <deiu> ... John has already taken the action to update the draft...so I guess we just need to publish it
... John has already taken the action to update the draft...so I guess we just need to publish it ←
14:17:51 <deiu> sandro: we still have my action, re. redirect (POWDER)
Sandro Hawke: we still have my action, re. redirect (POWDER) ←
14:18:19 <deiu> Arnaud: the Prefer header now has an RFC number we can use
Arnaud Le Hors: the Prefer header now has an RFC number we can use ←
14:18:35 <deiu> JohnArwe: bis also has a number now
John Arwe: bis also has a number now ←
14:18:48 <bblfish> yes, but if we have links its cool?
Henry Story: yes, but if we have links its cool? ←
14:18:51 <deiu> ericP: hold on, I'll look it up
Eric Prud'hommeaux: hold on, I'll look it up ←
14:18:55 <deiu> q?
q? ←
14:19:18 <Arnaud1> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:19:23 <deiu> Arnaud: the open question is whether it's ok for us to take control of DescribedBy
Arnaud Le Hors: the open question is whether it's ok for us to take control of DescribedBy ←
<deiu> topic: Access Control Use Cases & Requirements
14:19:34 <deiu> bblfish: is ACL in mercurial?
Henry Story: is ACL in mercurial? ←
14:19:50 <deiu> Ashok: not yet, I'm waiting for reviews before putting it in mercurial
Ashok Malhotra: not yet, I'm waiting for reviews before putting it in mercurial ←
14:19:57 <JohnArwe> wrt Sandro's item, I don't see any action or issue for that?
John Arwe: wrt Sandro's item, I don't see any action or issue for that? ←
14:19:58 <ericP> GETting an HTTPbis draft indicates that http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 is now the head
Eric Prud'hommeaux: GETting an HTTPbis draft indicates that http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231 is now the head ←
14:20:10 <ericP> (JohnArwe)
Eric Prud'hommeaux: (JohnArwe) ←
14:20:22 <deiu> Arnaud: TallTed started reviewing it but there has not been any input yet
Arnaud Le Hors: TallTed started reviewing it but there has not been any input yet ←
14:20:53 <deiu> Arnaud: you can use the text from the email for review
Arnaud Le Hors: you can use the text from the email for review ←
14:20:54 <JohnArwe> ...I do recall the discussion, but w/o an action/etc we're relying on memory (horribly dangerous in my case) to keep these things in view
John Arwe: ...I do recall the discussion, but w/o an action/etc we're relying on memory (horribly dangerous in my case) to keep these things in view ←
14:21:11 <deiu> Ashok: I can hold off until you have your comments in
Ashok Malhotra: I can hold off until you have your comments in ←
14:21:23 <deiu> sandro: so you just want to edit the wiki, Ted
Sandro Hawke: so you just want to edit the wiki, Ted ←
14:21:34 <deiu> Ashok: ok
Ashok Malhotra: ok ←
14:21:53 <deiu> Arnaud: Ashok will have to catch up with edits
Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok will have to catch up with edits ←
14:22:00 <deiu> ... will you be done by next week, Ted?
... will you be done by next week, Ted? ←
14:22:03 <deiu> TallTed: yes
Ted Thibodeau: yes ←
14:22:26 <deiu> Arnaud: we're not talking about a final draft, we just want to have a first draft public for now
Arnaud Le Hors: we're not talking about a final draft, we just want to have a first draft public for now ←
<deiu> topic: Best Practices & Guidelines
14:22:49 <deiu> ... last week we decided to publish the BP&R, are we still waiting to fix the draft?
... last week we decided to publish the BP&R, are we still waiting to fix the draft? ←
14:23:33 <JohnArwe> q+
14:24:09 <codyburleson> Recommended text for BP: URL canonicalization (URL normalization) is the process by which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator are modified and standardized in a consistent manner; see section 6, Normalization and comparison in [RFC3986].
Cody Burleson: Recommended text for BP: URL canonicalization (URL normalization) is the process by which http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator are modified and standardized in a consistent manner; see section 6, Normalization and comparison in [RFC3986]. ←
14:24:41 <Arnaud> ack JohnArwe
Arnaud Le Hors: ack JohnArwe ←
14:24:51 <deiu> codyburleson: I'm waiting on some feedback; roger sent an email this morning with comments
Cody Burleson: I'm waiting on some feedback; roger sent an email this morning with comments ←
14:25:19 <ericP> q+ to ask what are the labels for ../ normalization and unicode normalization
Eric Prud'hommeaux: q+ to ask what are the labels for ../ normalization and unicode normalization ←
14:25:32 <deiu> JohnArwe: normalization defined in 3986 covers URL encoding
John Arwe: normalization defined in 3986 covers URL encoding ←
14:26:02 <ericP> agenda+ 2NN remaining issues: 4:using 2NN for packaging, 5:Link relative to requested URL?, 6:Link,rel=describedby to Content-Location, 7:HTTPbis caching or none? 8:indicate 2NN-ready by Accept-Related: describedby, provenance 9:other methods
Eric Prud'hommeaux: agenda+ 2NN remaining issues: 4:using 2NN for packaging, 5:Link relative to requested URL?, 6:Link,rel=describedby to Content-Location, 7:HTTPbis caching or none? 8:indicate 2NN-ready by Accept-Related: describedby, provenance 9:other methods ←
14:26:06 <deiu> ... the broader context is that you can have links to a resource that is known by different names because of reverse proxies
... the broader context is that you can have links to a resource that is known by different names because of reverse proxies ←
14:26:26 <deiu> ... if you have links to both, you want to be able to say they are the same
... if you have links to both, you want to be able to say they are the same ←
14:26:45 <Arnaud> ack ericp
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ericp ←
14:26:45 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask what are the labels for ../ normalization and unicode normalization
Zakim IRC Bot: ericP, you wanted to ask what are the labels for ../ normalization and unicode normalization ←
14:26:49 <deiu> Arnaud: so you're saying we refer to something that was not defined
Arnaud Le Hors: so you're saying we refer to something that was not defined ←
14:27:13 <deiu> ericP: just noting that there are two other normalizations, for .. and for unicode
Eric Prud'hommeaux: just noting that there are two other normalizations, for .. and for unicode ←
14:27:28 <JohnArwe> 3986 section 5 (which is NOT normalization) covers ericp's first case
John Arwe: 3986 section 5 (which is NOT normalization) covers ericp's first case ←
14:27:41 <JohnArwe> ...not normalization as used in 3986 section 6
John Arwe: ...not normalization as used in 3986 section 6 ←
14:28:03 <deiu> codyburleson: we're using a term which doesn't seem to have been defined
Cody Burleson: we're using a term which doesn't seem to have been defined ←
14:28:24 <deiu> Ashok: I can email you some references
Ashok Malhotra: I can email you some references ←
14:29:05 <deiu> Arnaud: we need to either define or find a pointer to a definition for canonical normalization of URLs
Arnaud Le Hors: we need to either define or find a pointer to a definition for canonical normalization of URLs ←
14:29:32 <deiu> JohnArwe: regardless of the request URI, the server is expected to provide back to all clients a header (Location) with a canonical URL
John Arwe: regardless of the request URI, the server is expected to provide back to all clients a header (Location) with a canonical URL ←
14:29:42 <deiu> ... that URL is assumed to have been fully transformed by the server
... that URL is assumed to have been fully transformed by the server ←
14:29:52 <deiu> codyburleson: this is Link rel=canonical
Ted Thibodeau: this is Link rel=canonical ←
14:30:15 <TallTed> s/codyburleson/TallTed/
14:31:05 <deiu> TallTed: this header is distinct from Location header
Ted Thibodeau: this header is distinct from Location header ←
14:31:24 <Zakim> + +1.919.306.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.919.306.aaaa ←
14:31:25 <deiu> ... if I have example.com/123 it won't do me any good to request an internal URL
... if I have example.com/123 it won't do me any good to request an internal URL ←
14:31:47 <SteveS> Zakim, aaaa is SteveS
Steve Speicher: Zakim, aaaa is SteveS ←
14:31:47 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
14:31:53 <deiu> ... the way it is written, people are going to collapse it into a canonical URL that will not be accessible
... the way it is written, people are going to collapse it into a canonical URL that will not be accessible ←
14:32:02 <deiu> Arnaud: Ashok will try to find a reference for us
Arnaud Le Hors: Ashok will try to find a reference for us ←
14:32:30 <deiu> ... that covers the BP&G document...anything else?
... that covers the BP&G document...anything else? ←
14:32:34 <deiu> Topic: Primer
14:32:47 <roger> roger: We made a little more progress. We need to merge bblfish changes, and finalise (hopefully) with a few more things by next Monday.
Roger Menday: We made a little more progress. We need to merge bblfish changes, and finalise (hopefully) with a few more things by next Monday. [ Scribe Assist by Roger Menday ] ←
14:32:55 <deiu> roger: Nandana is not on the call; we're making little progress
Roger Menday: Nandana is not on the call; we're making little progress ←
14:33:07 <deiu> ... we got some suggestions from Henry and we want to merge them back in
... we got some suggestions from Henry and we want to merge them back in ←
14:33:23 <bblfish> roger are you on OSX?
Henry Story: roger are you on OSX? ←
14:33:25 <deiu> ... we hope to finalize next week
... we hope to finalize next week ←
14:33:51 <deiu> bblfish: there are some paragraphs I should look though (last ones)
Henry Story: there are some paragraphs I should look though (last ones) ←
14:33:51 <deiu> ... I went through 90%
... I went through 90% ←
14:33:59 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, but we need to get it done
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, but we need to get it done ←
14:34:20 <deiu> ... if you don't have time, I understand
... if you don't have time, I understand ←
14:35:00 <roger> henry, yes I am on OSX. you are going to recommend a tool ... ?
Roger Menday: henry, yes I am on OSX. you are going to recommend a tool ... ? ←
14:35:18 <deiu> bblfish: coming up with better ontologies is one of the issues
Henry Story: coming up with better ontologies is one of the issues ←
14:35:49 <deiu> Arnaud: remember these are group notes and the bar is pretty low for publishing
Arnaud Le Hors: remember these are group notes and the bar is pretty low for publishing ←
14:36:02 <deiu> ... roger, did Nandana accept the task of publishing the note?
... roger, did Nandana accept the task of publishing the note? ←
14:36:12 <deiu> roger: not yet, I'm going to tell him
Roger Menday: not yet, I'm going to tell him ←
14:37:02 <roger> actually, I just wanted help to do the merge ... it sounds like I am overloaded Nandana here :)
Roger Menday: actually, I just wanted help to do the merge ... it sounds like I am overloaded Nandana here :) ←
14:37:09 <deiu> Arnaud: I understand the merge might be painful
Arnaud Le Hors: I understand the merge might be painful ←
14:37:25 <deiu> ... Henry, you should have coordinated with them to make the changes on the main branch
... Henry, you should have coordinated with them to make the changes on the main branch ←
14:37:43 <deiu> bblfish: I added comments to my changes
Henry Story: I added comments to my changes ←
14:37:49 <bblfish> https://www.atlassian.com/software/sourcetree/overview
Henry Story: https://www.atlassian.com/software/sourcetree/overview ←
14:38:39 <deiu> Arnaud: I trust you guys will figure it out
Arnaud Le Hors: I trust you guys will figure it out ←
14:38:52 <deiu> ... let's try to finish it by next week so we can publish it
... let's try to finish it by next week so we can publish it ←
14:38:52 <bblfish> Atlassian is very nice tool to work either with git or mercurial
Henry Story: Atlassian is very nice tool to work either with git or mercurial ←
14:39:16 <deiu> Arnaud: let's move on
Arnaud Le Hors: let's move on ←
14:39:22 <deiu> Topic: 209 code
14:39:30 <ericP> agenda?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: agenda? ←
14:39:32 <deiu> ericP: yeah, it should be listed on the agenda
Eric Prud'hommeaux: yeah, it should be listed on the agenda ←
14:39:54 <bblfish> Oh sourcetree is also available for Windows
Henry Story: Oh sourcetree is also available for Windows ←
14:40:13 <ericP> https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/blob/master/2014/04/http-209.md\
Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/blob/master/2014/04/http-209.md\ ←
14:40:15 <ericP> https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/blob/master/2014/04/http-209.md
Eric Prud'hommeaux: https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/blob/master/2014/04/http-209.md ←
14:40:31 <deiu> ericP: this is a document Jenny put together
Eric Prud'hommeaux: this is a document Jenny put together ←
14:40:51 <deiu> ... there were a bunch of things that I accepted, such as Content-Location, etc
... there were a bunch of things that I accepted, such as Content-Location, etc ←
14:41:07 <deiu> ... we have another use case where we use 2NN for packaging
... we have another use case where we use 2NN for packaging ←
14:41:21 <deiu> ... they send a package with a bunch of javascript
... they send a package with a bunch of javascript ←
14:41:38 <deiu> ... it's controversial whether to include that example in the Internet draft
... it's controversial whether to include that example in the Internet draft ←
14:41:54 <deiu> ... another comment: Link headers are relative to the effective URIs
... another comment: Link headers are relative to the effective URIs ←
14:42:07 <deiu> ... TAG said that Link headers are relative to the URI that you requested
... TAG said that Link headers are relative to the URI that you requested ←
14:42:31 <deiu> ... another comment was to have Link rel=describedby for Location headers
... another comment was to have Link rel=describedby for Location headers ←
14:43:00 <deiu> ... then they advised us to follow the HTTPbis caching
... then they advised us to follow the HTTPbis caching ←
14:43:50 <deiu> ... the last one was to indicate 2NN-ready, and they suggested to use an Accept-Related header
... the last one was to indicate 2NN-ready, and they suggested to use an Accept-Related header ←
14:44:06 <deiu> ... sandro was proposing we should use a different header than Accept-Related
... sandro was proposing we should use a different header than Accept-Related ←
14:44:26 <deiu> ... are any other messages besides HEAD and GET permitted to return a 209?
... are any other messages besides HEAD and GET permitted to return a 209? ←
14:44:57 <deiu> Ashok: it would be helpful if there was a different use case; packaging is one idea that hasn't really progressed
Ashok Malhotra: it would be helpful if there was a different use case; packaging is one idea that hasn't really progressed ←
14:45:05 <deiu> Arnaud: I don't think this concerns us
Arnaud Le Hors: I don't think this concerns us ←
14:46:26 <deiu> ... what I'm concerned about is if we can use the 200 response (if it's for paging)
... what I'm concerned about is if we can use the 200 response (if it's for paging) ←
14:47:09 <deiu> ericP: github returns a 200 with content location when doing paging
Eric Prud'hommeaux: github returns a 200 with content location when doing paging ←
14:47:38 <deiu> Arnaud: Baker said to return 200 with a link to the first page
Arnaud Le Hors: Baker said to return 200 with a link to the first page ←
14:48:13 <deiu> ... we were returning the content of the page
... we were returning the content of the page ←
14:48:40 <deiu> ... are we going to resolve the dependency to this in a timely manner?
... are we going to resolve the dependency to this in a timely manner? ←
14:48:57 <deiu> ericP: we should keep trying; discuss it a bit and then send a new draft in
Eric Prud'hommeaux: we should keep trying; discuss it a bit and then send a new draft in ←
14:49:06 <deiu> Arnaud: that draft hasn't changed since April
Arnaud Le Hors: that draft hasn't changed since April ←
14:49:17 <deiu> ... does it represent the consensus from the TAG?
... does it represent the consensus from the TAG? ←
14:49:40 <deiu> ericP: if they do change anything it will be rather small
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if they do change anything it will be rather small ←
14:49:52 <deiu> Arnaud: I don't think we should wait
Arnaud Le Hors: I don't think we should wait ←
14:50:17 <deiu> ... we can just inform them to take a look at the updated draft
... we can just inform them to take a look at the updated draft ←
14:50:49 <deiu> ericP: I think sandro was suggesting a Prefer header
Eric Prud'hommeaux: I think sandro was suggesting a Prefer header ←
14:50:57 <deiu> sandro: I think if we can do a new header, it's probably better
Sandro Hawke: I think if we can do a new header, it's probably better ←
14:51:17 <deiu> ... if we're getting this through a standards process, we might as well just go with a new header
... if we're getting this through a standards process, we might as well just go with a new header ←
14:51:31 <deiu> ericP: the TAG believes that Accept-Relates has not been used
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the TAG believes that Accept-Relates has not been used ←
14:51:58 <deiu> ... servers should not respond with a 2NN unless the clients understands it; the client can indicate this by sending a Prefer header
... servers should not respond with a 2NN unless the clients understands it; the client can indicate this by sending a Prefer header ←
14:52:22 <deiu> ... John: do know why they said the link is relative to the requested URI?
... John: do know why they said the link is relative to the requested URI? ←
14:53:02 <deiu> JohnArwe: when there is a Link header that describes the resource being return, does that link refer to the Location URI or the request URI?
John Arwe: when there is a Link header that describes the resource being return, does that link refer to the Location URI or the request URI? ←
14:53:29 <deiu> ericP: is there any reason we want a Link header to apply to the request URI instead of the Location URI?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: is there any reason we want a Link header to apply to the request URI instead of the Location URI? ←
14:53:48 <Arnaud> Zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: Zakim, who's on the phone? ←
14:53:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu, Roger, JohnArwe, TallTed, bblfish, codyburleson, pchampin, ericP, SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu, Roger, JohnArwe, TallTed, bblfish, codyburleson, pchampin, ericP, SteveS ←
14:53:50 <deiu> ... which thing are we talking about? The thing that was requested or the thing that you're getting?
... which thing are we talking about? The thing that was requested or the thing that you're getting? ←
14:53:51 <Zakim> deiu has sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu has sandro ←
14:54:10 <deiu> Zakim, deiu has Sandro, Ashok, Arnaud
Zakim, deiu has Sandro, Ashok, Arnaud ←
14:54:10 <Zakim> sandro was already listed in deiu, deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro was already listed in deiu, deiu ←
14:54:11 <Zakim> +Ashok, Arnaud; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok, Arnaud; got it ←
14:54:37 <deiu> JohnArwe: we said we're going to invent a new header instead of using ETag
John Arwe: we said we're going to invent a new header instead of using ETag ←
14:55:17 <bblfish> Btw, I don't have access to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/2xx/draft-prudhommeaux-http-status-209
Henry Story: Btw, I don't have access to http://www.w3.org/2014/02/2xx/draft-prudhommeaux-http-status-209 ←
14:55:29 <deiu> ... there is a subset of headers that describe the representations
... there is a subset of headers that describe the representations ←
14:55:50 <deiu> ... we have to be precise
... we have to be precise ←
14:56:09 <deiu> ericP: currently, it says that all response headers apply to the content location
Eric Prud'hommeaux: currently, it says that all response headers apply to the content location ←
14:57:00 <bblfish> yes, there are two types of headers in HTTP: response headers that describe the representation and those that describe the resource ( eg for the latter Link: )
Henry Story: yes, there are two types of headers in HTTP: response headers that describe the representation and those that describe the resource ( eg for the latter Link: ) ←
14:57:06 <deiu> ... we don't want them to talk about the request URI
... we don't want them to talk about the request URI ←
14:57:18 <bblfish> ) and the former Content-Length
Henry Story: ) and the former Content-Length ←
<deiu> topic: Test suite
14:57:53 <deiu> Arnaud: we should wrap it up
Arnaud Le Hors: we should wrap it up ←
14:58:10 <deiu> ... there's been some activity on paging, LD Patch
... there's been some activity on paging, LD Patch ←
14:58:16 <deiu> ... let's talk about the test suite
... let's talk about the test suite ←
14:58:32 <deiu> ... we are supposed to establish a base
... we are supposed to establish a base ←
14:59:03 <deiu> ... then further changes will have to go through more scrutiny as we move forward
... then further changes will have to go through more scrutiny as we move forward ←
14:59:25 <deiu> ... it's not practical to approve each test individually
... it's not practical to approve each test individually ←
14:59:32 <deiu> ... so let's consider a base line
... so let's consider a base line ←
14:59:51 <deiu> SteveS: yes, I've summarized the links and the numbers in my email
Steve Speicher: yes, I've summarized the links and the numbers in my email ←
15:00:10 <deiu> Arnaud: does anyone object to considering that the base line?
Arnaud Le Hors: does anyone object to considering that the base line? ←
15:00:29 <deiu> ... when we publish the CR draft, we'll point to this
... when we publish the CR draft, we'll point to this ←
<deiu> Resolved: Test suite baseline is set to what we have in the respository today
RESOLVED: Test suite baseline is set to what we have in the respository today ←
15:00:43 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
15:00:44 <Zakim> -Roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -Roger ←
15:00:47 <Zakim> -codyburleson
Zakim IRC Bot: -codyburleson ←
15:00:49 <Zakim> -pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
15:00:51 <deiu> ... thank you all for joining, we'll meet again next week.
... thank you all for joining, we'll meet again next week. ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
15:00:52 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
15:00:54 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
15:01:05 <Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.06.09
<Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
15:01:12 <bblfish> thanks
Henry Story: thanks ←
15:01:16 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
15:01:17 <Zakim> Attendees were Roger, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, codyburleson, pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok, sandro, ericP, +1.919.306.aaaa, SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Roger, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, codyburleson, pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok, sandro, ericP, +1.919.306.aaaa, SteveS ←
<deiu> Present: Roger, JohnArwe, bblfish, TallTed, codyburleson, pchampin, Arnaud, Ashok, sandro, ericP, SteveS
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