13:58:37 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2014/05/12-ldp-irc
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13:58:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:58:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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13:58:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes ←
13:58:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:58:42 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2014
13:59:32 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
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13:59:39 <Zakim> +??P7
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13:59:48 <deiu> Zakim, ??P7 is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P7 is me ←
13:59:48 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
13:59:59 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:01:10 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
14:01:10 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
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14:01:31 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
14:01:41 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: Zakim, [IBM] is me ←
14:01:41 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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14:02:19 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe ←
14:03:25 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
14:03:40 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
14:03:40 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it ←
14:04:51 <JohnArwe> regrets: ashok, pierre-antoine, sergio
14:06:30 <TallTed> scribenick: TallTed
(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)
14:06:40 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
Zakim, who's here? ←
14:06:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see deiu (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, JohnArwe, TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see deiu (muted), Arnaud, SteveS, JohnArwe, TallTed ←
14:06:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, nmihindu, betehess, deiu, TallTed, stevebattle1119, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see JohnArwe, Zakim, RRSAgent, nmihindu, betehess, deiu, TallTed, stevebattle1119, SteveS, jmvanel, Arnaud, sandro, trackbot, Yves, ericP ←
14:07:32 <deiu> Zakim, unmute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, unmute me please ←
14:07:32 <Zakim> deiu should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should no longer be muted ←
14:07:40 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:08:25 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
14:08:25 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
<TallTed> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.05.12
<TallTed> chair: Arnaud
<TallTed> topic: Admin
14:09:00 <TallTed> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-05
PROPOSED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-05 ←
14:09:22 <SteveS> looks fine to me, after quick scan
Steve Speicher: looks fine to me, after quick scan ←
14:09:44 <JohnArwe> good enough for commonscribe, good enough for me
John Arwe: good enough for commonscribe, good enough for me ←
14:09:54 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-05
RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-05-05 ←
14:10:30 <TallTed> RESOLVED: next meeting: May 19, usual time
RESOLVED: next meeting: May 19, usual time ←
14:10:44 <TallTed> TOPIC: Open Actions & Issues
14:10:51 <JohnArwe> action-138?
14:10:51 <trackbot> action-138 -- Sandro Hawke to Follow up on resolution about moving rel=describedby text -- due 2014-04-22 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-138 -- Sandro Hawke to Follow up on resolution about moving rel=describedby text -- due 2014-04-22 -- OPEN ←
14:10:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/138
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/138 ←
14:11:19 <Zakim> +ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP ←
14:11:38 <JohnArwe> action-118?
14:11:38 <trackbot> action-118 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to Report to timbl: some pref for reverting to 303, 200+header still on the table, henry considering 200+location -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-118 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to Report to timbl: some pref for reverting to 303, 200+header still on the table, henry considering 200+location -- due 2013-12-23 -- OPEN ←
14:11:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/118
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/118 ←
14:12:24 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
14:12:38 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P12 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P12 is me ←
14:12:38 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
14:12:44 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
14:12:44 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: nmihindu should now be muted ←
14:13:33 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp ←
14:13:49 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp.ttl
Eric Prud'hommeaux: http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp.ttl ←
14:14:26 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
14:14:37 <JohnArwe> the intent is to serve /ldp + Accept headers as things other than html?
John Arwe: the intent is to serve /ldp + Accept headers as things other than html? ←
14:14:57 <TallTed> [ chatter about css tweaks and other adjustments to namespace docs ]
[ chatter about css tweaks and other adjustments to namespace docs ] ←
14:14:59 <bblfish> hi sorry for being later
Henry Story: hi sorry for being late ←
14:17:07 <nmihindu> Arnaud, Ashok has completed the action-70 probably he will confirm in the next call
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Arnaud, Ashok has completed the ACTION-70 probably he will confirm in the next call ←
14:17:13 <bblfish> s/later/late/
14:17:23 <deiu> Zakim, unmute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, unmute me please ←
14:17:23 <Zakim> deiu should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should no longer be muted ←
14:18:31 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
14:18:31 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
14:18:32 <TallTed> [ conversational review of various works in progress ]
[ conversational review of various works in progress ] ←
14:18:38 <TallTed> TOPIC: LDP Spec
14:19:07 <TallTed> Arnaud: drafted Transition Request - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_CR_Transition_Request
Arnaud Le Hors: drafted Transition Request - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/LDP_CR_Transition_Request ←
14:20:36 <TallTed> ... LC comments and associated resolutions have been carefully reviewed, and editorial application to doc confirmed
... LC comments and associated resolutions have been carefully reviewed, and editorial application to doc confirmed ←
14:21:45 <TallTed> ... most comments have been addressed to satisfaction of commenters; Reto's comments on null URI are all that lack confirmation of satisfaction
... most comments have been addressed to satisfaction of commenters; Reto's comments on null URI are all that lack confirmation of satisfaction ←
14:23:38 <TallTed> ACTION: ericP to schedule concall for LDP Spec transition to CR
ACTION: ericP to schedule concall for LDP Spec transition to CR ←
14:23:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-140 - Schedule concall for ldp spec transition to cr [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-05-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-140 - Schedule concall for ldp spec transition to cr [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2014-05-19]. ←
14:23:45 <TallTed> TOPIC: Test Suite
14:25:31 <TallTed> SteveS: licensing review in progress; test item development moving forward...
Steve Speicher: licensing review in progress; test item development moving forward... ←
14:26:25 <TallTed> TOPIC: Access Control
14:26:59 <SteveS> ericP, fetching of namespace docs looks right
Steve Speicher: ericP, fetching of namespace docs looks right ←
14:27:32 <TallTed> bblfish: will work with Ashok to integrate feedback, wondering about feedback on feedback...
Henry Story: will work with Ashok to integrate feedback, wondering about feedback on feedback... ←
14:27:41 <bblfish> Access control doc seems like it's on the right track. Sent in some comments and need to work with Ashok on that, but should be ok.
Henry Story: Access control doc seems like it's on the right track. Sent in some comments and need to work with Ashok on that, but should be ok. ←
14:27:53 <TallTed> TOPIC: Best Practices & Guidelines
14:28:06 <bblfish> Mhh, should read that too
Henry Story: Mhh, should read that too ←
14:28:07 <ericP> tx for the looksee, SteveS
Eric Prud'hommeaux: tx for the looksee, SteveS ←
14:28:14 <nmihindu> I think it's ready to be published
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: I think it's ready to be published ←
14:28:31 <nmihindu> if the issue that was raised by Sandro is resolved
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: if the issue that was raised by Sandro is resolved ←
14:29:03 <nmihindu> the issue which was about relative URIs
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: the issue which was about relative URIs ←
14:30:22 <TallTed> TOPIC: LDP Primer
14:30:53 <nmihindu> we had feedback from bblfish about the introductory text
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: we had feedback from bblfish about the introductory text ←
14:31:10 <TallTed> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/tip/ldp-primer/ldp-primer.html ←
14:31:26 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
14:31:26 <nmihindu> Roger is planning to address those
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Roger is planning to address those ←
14:31:44 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
14:32:23 <TallTed> bblfish: these are big docs, and take some time and effort to review properly
Henry Story: these are big docs, and take some time and effort to review properly ←
14:32:55 <nmihindu> bblfish, it is already in the repo
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, it is already in the repo ←
14:33:09 <nmihindu> bblfish, any minor corrections you can do it directly there
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, any minor corrections you can do it directly there ←
14:34:00 <nmihindu> bblfish, but if you want to change the text that was introduced by Roger drastically, you have to check with Roger first
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, but if you want to change the text that was introduced by Roger drastically, you have to check with Roger first ←
14:34:20 <nmihindu> bblfish, I think we all have write access to those documents
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, I think we all have write access to those documents ←
14:35:16 <nmihindu> bblfish, or may be you can use a branch as you suggested
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: bblfish, or may be you can use a branch as you suggested ←
14:36:21 <TallTed> TOPIC: status of 209 code
14:37:05 <TallTed> ericP: TAG said they were going to send something; I'll follow up on that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: TAG said they were going to send something; I'll follow up on that ←
14:37:26 <TallTed> TOPIC: LDP Paging spec
14:37:41 <TallTed> Arnaud: draft is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html
Arnaud Le Hors: draft is at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-paging.html ←
14:38:07 <TallTed> ... 2 open issues (94 and 96)
... 2 open issues (94 and 96) ←
14:38:18 <TallTed> issue-94?
14:38:18 <trackbot> issue-94 -- Stable vs lossy paging -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-94 -- Stable vs lossy paging -- open ←
14:38:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/94
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/94 ←
14:38:23 <TallTed> issue-96?
14:38:23 <trackbot> issue-96 -- Can we define ordering for LDPRs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-96 -- Can we define ordering for LDPRs? -- open ←
14:38:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/96
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/96 ←
14:39:09 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 ←
14:39:23 <TallTed> ... Sandro had made a rough proposal as of F2F5, which we resolved to work from
... Sandro had made a rough proposal as of F2F5, which we resolved to work from ←
14:43:00 <TallTed> [ discussion - Issue-94 seems resolved, but needs action created in order to close ]
[ discussion - ISSUE-94 seems resolved, but needs action created in order to close ] ←
14:43:34 <TallTed> PROPOSED: Close Issue-94 based on http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 with Action on Arnaud to follow up
PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-94 based on http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 with Action on Arnaud to follow up ←
14:43:50 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:43:50 <TallTed> +1
+1 ←
14:43:55 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
14:43:58 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
14:44:09 <JohnArwe> +1
14:44:19 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:44:27 <TallTed> RESOLVED: Close Issue-94 based on http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 with Action on Arnaud to follow up
RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-94 based on http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 with Action on Arnaud to follow up ←
14:44:29 <SteveS> regarding paging editing…I don’t know if I can get to any of it in coming weeks, still learning about what workload is coming back from week off
Steve Speicher: regarding paging editing…I don’t know if I can get to any of it in coming weeks, still learning about what workload is coming back from week off ←
14:44:51 <JohnArwe> maybe ashok can help
John Arwe: maybe ashok can help ←
14:44:53 <TallTed> Action: Arnaud to follow up with Paging Spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3
ACTION: Arnaud to follow up with Paging Spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 ←
14:44:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-141 - Follow up with paging spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2014-05-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-141 - Follow up with paging spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_3 [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2014-05-19]. ←
14:44:57 <TallTed> Action: Arnaud to follow up with Paging Spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_4
ACTION: Arnaud to follow up with Paging Spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_4 ←
14:44:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-142 - Follow up with paging spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_4 [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2014-05-19].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-142 - Follow up with paging spec editors to implement http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-04-17#resolution_4 [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2014-05-19]. ←
14:46:38 <TallTed> Arnaud: since paging was moved from only LDPCs to all LDPRs, some things need to be revisited to make them handle LDPRs
Arnaud Le Hors: since paging was moved from only LDPCs to all LDPRs, some things need to be revisited to make them handle LDPRs ←
14:46:46 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
14:46:55 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
14:46:57 <JohnArwe> so we're now on issue-96
John Arwe: so we're now on ISSUE-96 ←
14:47:01 <JohnArwe> issue-96?
14:47:01 <trackbot> issue-96 -- Can we define ordering for LDPRs? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-96 -- Can we define ordering for LDPRs? -- open ←
14:47:01 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/96
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/96 ←
14:47:43 <TallTed> sandro: in general the answer for graphs is, just don't do it. graphs should just be designed to be smaller.
Sandro Hawke: in general the answer for graphs is, just don't do it. graphs should just be designed to be smaller. ←
14:48:31 <TallTed> ... general advice is to keep resources to under 10 MB
... general advice is to keep resources to under 10 MB ←
14:49:52 <JohnArwe> +1 to sandro
14:49:54 <bblfish> sounds like a good compromise: paging on graphs, ordering on containers
Henry Story: sounds like a good compromise: paging on graphs, ordering on containers ←
14:50:42 <JohnArwe> we choose not to
14:50:43 <TallTed> PROPOSED: close issue-96 with ordering undefined when paging LDPRs
PROPOSED: close ISSUE-96 with ordering undefined when paging LDPRs ←
14:50:57 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
14:50:58 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
14:51:05 <nmihindu> +0
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +0 ←
14:51:06 <TallTed> +0.5
+0.5 ←
14:51:07 <sandro> +1 (non-LDPC LDPRs, of course.)
Sandro Hawke: +1 (non-LDPC LDPRs, of course.) ←
14:51:12 <JohnArwe> +1, seeing no clear proximate need to go beyond what we have now
John Arwe: +1, seeing no clear proximate need to go beyond what we have now ←
14:51:16 <bblfish> +0 I'll go with what others agree with
Henry Story: +0 I'll go with what others agree with ←
14:51:37 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: close issue-96 with ordering undefined when paging LDPRs
RESOLVED: close ISSUE-96 with ordering undefined when paging LDPRs ←
14:51:43 <deiu> scribe: deiu
(Scribe set to Andrei Sambra)
14:52:12 <deiu> Arnaud: as of now, all issues seem to be closed, so we just need to reflect all the resolutions in the specs
Arnaud Le Hors: as of now, all issues seem to be closed, so we just need to reflect all the resolutions in the specs ←
14:52:15 <deiu> ... we can have a review cycle and publish it as LC
... we can have a review cycle and publish it as LC ←
14:52:17 <JohnArwe> I do like the notion of not standing in the way of someone else/ourselves in the future if they want to re-use the concept AND the syntax on resources/for uses we don't see clearly today.
John Arwe: I do like the notion of not standing in the way of someone else/ourselves in the future if they want to re-use the concept AND the syntax on resources/for uses we don't see clearly today. ←
14:52:34 <deiu> ...the editors may not be available now, so we're taking volunteers
...the editors may not be available now, so we're taking volunteers ←
14:52:47 <deiu> ...otherwise we'll have to wait
...otherwise we'll have to wait ←
14:53:04 <deiu> ...this is the end of the agenda, so unless anyone has something they want to bring up, we can close early
...this is the end of the agenda, so unless anyone has something they want to bring up, we can close early ←
14:53:11 <deiu> ...no other business? guess not
...no other business? guess not ←
14:53:17 <deiu> ...let's close the call
...let's close the call ←
14:53:24 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
14:53:25 <bblfish> thanks all
Henry Story: thanks all ←
14:53:26 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
14:53:37 <Zakim> -nmihindu
Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu ←
14:53:46 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
14:53:47 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
14:53:48 <Zakim> -TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed ←
14:53:49 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
14:53:49 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
14:53:54 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
14:53:55 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
14:53:55 <Zakim> Attendees were deiu, Arnaud, SteveS, JohnArwe, TallTed, Sandro, ericP, nmihindu, bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were deiu, Arnaud, SteveS, JohnArwe, TallTed, Sandro, ericP, nmihindu, bblfish ←
<TallTed> present: deiu, Arnaud, SteveS, JohnArwe, TallTed, Sandro, ericP, nmihindu, bblfish
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