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14:58:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:58:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:58:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:58:20 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2014
14:59:06 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:59:08 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]
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14:59:19 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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14:59:38 <Zakim> +Arnaud
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14:59:39 <Ashok> zakin IPcaller.a is me
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14:59:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:00:05 <codyburleson> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Cody Burleson: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:00:05 <Zakim> +codyburleson; got it
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15:00:12 <Ashok> zakim IPcaller.a is me
Ashok Malhotra: zakim IPcaller.a is me ←
15:00:27 <Ashok> zakim, IPcaller.a is me
Ashok Malhotra: zakim, IPcaller.a is me ←
15:00:27 <Zakim> +Ashok; got it
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15:00:52 <Zakim> +JohnArwe
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15:01:09 <Zakim> +w3c
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15:01:14 <deiu> Zakim, w3c is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, w3c is me ←
15:01:14 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
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15:02:15 <Arnaud> regrets: stevebattle
15:02:37 <Arnaud> regrets: stevebattle, eric
15:02:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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15:02:58 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
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15:03:03 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:03:03 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
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15:03:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone? ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Ashok, Arnaud, codyburleson, JohnArwe, deiu, [IBM], TallTed
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Ashok, Arnaud, codyburleson, JohnArwe, deiu, [IBM], TallTed ←
15:03:13 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←
15:03:13 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
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15:07:06 <Zakim> +Roger
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15:08:03 <roger> scribe: Roger
(Scribe set to Roger Menday)
<roger> chair: Arnaud
<roger> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2014.02.10
<roger> present: Sandro, Arnaud, codyburleson, Ashok, JohnArwe, deiu, TallTed, SteveS, Roger, nmihindu, pchampin
<roger> topic: Admin
15:08:15 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:08:15 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
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15:08:44 <Arnaud> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-02-03
Arnaud Le Hors: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2014-02-03 ←
15:09:00 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approved the minutes of the February 3 teleconf
RESOLVED: Approved the minutes of the February 3 teleconf ←
<roger> Arnaud: next meeting is February 17
Arnaud Le Hors: next meeting is February 17 ←
15:09:54 <roger> Topic: Tracking of actions
15:10:50 <codyburleson> John, which is the action open against BPs?
Cody Burleson: John, which is the action open against BPs? ←
15:11:08 <JohnArwe> @cody: 134
15:11:19 <JohnArwe> ...from the resolution last week on issue 93
John Arwe: ...from the resolution last week on ISSUE-93 ←
15:11:52 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:11:52 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
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<roger> Steves: all actions on the spec editors have been taken care of
Steve Speicher: all actions on the spec editors have been taken care of ←
<roger> Arnaud: ok, we'll close these, and have the editors highlight the changes next
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, we'll close these, and have the editors highlight the changes next ←
<roger> johnarwe: I think we can also close action-129
John Arwe: I think we can also close ACTION-129 ←
<roger> tallted: yes
Ted Thibodeau: yes ←
15:13:09 <roger> Topic: Status of Spec
15:14:06 <roger> Arnaud: Plan was that spec edits would be done by today, so we can move to review.
Arnaud Le Hors: Plan was that spec edits would be done by today, so we can move to review. ←
15:14:49 <Zakim> +??P15
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15:14:56 <roger> Editors summarise the highlights of the recent edits ...
Editors summarise the highlights of the recent edits ... ←
15:15:06 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P15 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:15:06 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
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15:15:17 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Zakim, mute me ←
15:15:17 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
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15:15:31 <roger> re-structuring to add a new section 4 - which is about LDP clients
re-structuring to add a new section 4 - which is about LDP clients ←
15:16:42 <roger> also new content about the 3 types of container : Basic, Direct and Indirect (Basic used to be called Simple).
also new content about the 3 types of container : Basic, Direct and Indirect (Basic used to be called Simple). ←
15:18:03 <roger> new terminology: LDP-RR, LDP-BR, etc ..
new terminology: LDP-RR, LDP-BR, etc .. ←
15:18:24 <roger> ldp:created is replaced by ldp:contains
ldp:created is replaced by ldp:contains ←
15:18:39 <roger> examples about Indirect container
examples about Indirect container ←
15:19:13 <roger> there is a table trying to summarise the differences between membership and containment.
there is a table trying to summarise the differences between membership and containment. ←
15:19:37 <sandro> q+ to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource.
Sandro Hawke: q+ to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource. ←
15:20:13 <Arnaud> ack sandro
Arnaud Le Hors: ack sandro ←
15:20:13 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource.
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, you wanted to suggest "Graph Resource" and "Opaque Resource", since Binary is wrong, and "RDF Resource" is utterly ambiguous with rdf:Resource. ←
15:21:23 <TallTed> "Managed Resource" vs "Unmanaged Resource"?
Ted Thibodeau: "Managed Resource" vs "Unmanaged Resource"? ←
15:22:04 <Ashok> I like "opaque resource"
Ashok Malhotra: I like "opaque resource" ←
15:23:55 <sandro> sandro: In RDF 1.1 Concepts, these these things are called "RDF Sources"
Sandro Hawke: In RDF 1.1 Concepts, these these things are called "RDF Sources" [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:24:57 <sandro> "Non-RDF Source"
Sandro Hawke: "Non-RDF Source" ←
15:24:59 <roger> people seem to like "RDF sources" ...
people seem to like "RDF sources" ... ←
15:26:17 <sandro> the RDF 1.1 Concepts reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#change-over-time
Sandro Hawke: the RDF 1.1 Concepts reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#change-over-time ←
15:27:19 <roger> editors will go off and incorporate 'rdf source' language
editors will go off and incorporate 'rdf source' language ←
15:27:51 <roger> +q
+q ←
15:28:17 <sandro> +1 and LDPC is a kind of LDP RS
Sandro Hawke: +1 and LDPC is a kind of LDP RS ←
15:29:01 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
15:30:01 <SteveS> So hierarchy/structure looks like https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/images/ldpc1.png
Steve Speicher: So hierarchy/structure looks like https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/images/ldpc1.png ←
15:30:05 <Zakim> +??P30
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P30 ←
15:30:11 <pchampin> zakim, ??P30 is me
Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P30 is me ←
15:30:11 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it ←
15:30:50 <sandro> SteveS, JohnArwe, I'm not totally thrilled with "RDF Source" for this -- I think when you're editing the text you might find it doesn't read well. (That's why my first suggestion was "Graph Resource". Sigh.)
Sandro Hawke: SteveS, JohnArwe, I'm not totally thrilled with "RDF Source" for this -- I think when you're editing the text you might find it doesn't read well. (That's why my first suggestion was "Graph Resource". Sigh.) ←
15:32:40 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:33:37 <Arnaud> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
15:34:40 <roger> Ashok questions the colouring of the hierarchy picture ...
Ashok questions the colouring of the hierarchy picture ... ←
15:35:40 <roger> Ted, would prefer boxes-inside-other-boxes, venn diagram style.
Ted, would prefer boxes-inside-other-boxes, venn diagram style. ←
15:36:54 <codyburleson> :-( The UML made good sense to me, Steve.
Cody Burleson: :-( The UML made good sense to me, Steve. ←
15:38:15 <SteveS> codyburleson, it is good feedback though....perhaps it would help if I made it clear it was a "Class diagram" and not a "Flow diagram"
Steve Speicher: codyburleson, it is good feedback though....perhaps it would help if I made it clear it was a "Class diagram" and not a "Flow diagram" ←
15:39:44 <roger_> some changes related to Prefer header
some changes related to Prefer header ←
15:42:05 <roger_> in the 303 response, the server can inline the representation of the redirected resource, and the prefer-accepted header indicates this (i think)
in the 303 response, the server can inline the representation of the redirected resource, and the Preference-applied response header indicates this (i think) ←
15:42:42 <JohnArwe> s/prefer-accepted/Preference-applied response/
15:42:59 <roger_> ... and the client can use the prefer header to indicate this
... and the client can use the prefer header to indicate this ←
15:44:21 <roger_> hello John, which RFC got approved last week again please ?
hello John, which RFC got approved last week again please ? ←
15:44:43 <Arnaud> http bis
Arnaud Le Hors: http bis ←
15:46:26 <roger_> Arnaud would now like to talk about the timeline and where we are .. !
Arnaud would now like to talk about the timeline and where we are .. ! ←
15:47:04 <SteveS> HTML diff from LC1 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20140210.html
Steve Speicher: HTML diff from LC1 https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20140210.html ←
15:47:58 <roger_> Arnaud: suggestion: the group has 2 weeks to review the spec. Vote on Feb 24 to go to last call. ... ?
Arnaud Le Hors: suggestion: the group has 2 weeks to review the spec. Vote on Feb 24 to go to last call. ... ? ←
15:48:17 <roger_> in reading spec, please forward new names for things to the editors.
in reading spec, please forward new names for things to the editors. ←
15:48:29 <roger_> or suggestions for new names
or suggestions for new names ←
15:48:34 <Ashok> Where is the latest spec?
Ashok Malhotra: Where is the latest spec? ←
15:49:09 <roger_> i that it ? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html
i that it ? https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html ←
15:49:26 <SteveS> yes, that is the link
Steve Speicher: yes, that is the link ←
15:49:48 <Ashok> OK. Got it
Ashok Malhotra: OK. Got it ←
15:51:23 <roger_> Arnaud: bottom line is, be prepared to vote in 2 weeks time.
Arnaud Le Hors: bottom line is, be prepared to vote in 2 weeks time. ←
15:52:47 <JohnArwe> Expectation, for those reading only minutes, were that this coming week (ending Feb 17) is when all comments affecting normative content Should be made; second week (ending Feb 24) should be typos/editorial changes ONLY.
John Arwe: Expectation, for those reading only minutes, were that this coming week (ending Feb 17) is when all comments affecting normative content Should be made; second week (ending Feb 24) should be typos/editorial changes ONLY. ←
15:53:06 <roger_> Topic: Next F2F Meeting
15:53:18 <roger_> Arnaud: suggested dates 1-3 April .. ?
Arnaud Le Hors: suggested dates 1-3 April .. ? ←
15:53:24 <roger_> ... location ?
... location ? ←
15:53:25 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:53:36 <roger_> roger: I think we can offer to host
Roger Menday: I think we can offer to host ←
15:53:39 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack Ashok ←
15:53:55 <SteveS> As these reviews usually go, feedback earlier than later is greatly appreciated
Steve Speicher: As these reviews usually go, feedback earlier than later is greatly appreciated ←
15:54:24 <pchampin> so did I :-D
Pierre-Antoine Champin: so did I :-D ←
15:54:42 <roger_> dates have changed :)
dates have changed :) ←
15:54:45 <roger_> 15-17 April
15-17 April ←
<roger> roger: sorry, I can't host on those dates
Roger Menday: sorry, I can't host on those dates ←
15:55:27 <sandro> I'm happy to host at MIT yet again.
Sandro Hawke: I'm happy to host at MIT yet again. ←
15:55:54 <Ashok> I'm happy with MIT
Ashok Malhotra: I'm happy with MIT ←
15:56:00 <deiu> +1 for MIT :)
Andrei Sambra: +1 for MIT :) ←
15:56:28 <codyburleson> +1 MIT
Cody Burleson: +1 MIT ←
<roger> Arnaud: ok, MIT is the default location, if others want to make an offer, let us know
Arnaud Le Hors: ok, MIT is the default location, if others want to make an offer, let us know ←
15:57:45 <roger_> Topic: Status of the other deliverables
15:57:59 <roger_> Arnaud: UC&R is in good shape
Arnaud Le Hors: UC&R is in good shape ←
16:00:30 <roger_> ... need to re-focus energy on to the other deliverables
... need to re-focus energy on to the other deliverables ←
<roger> ... we have editors for every deliverable, it is the responsibility of the editors to either make progress or let the WG what's stopping them from making progress
... we have editors for every deliverable, it is the responsibility of the editors to either make progress or let the WG what's stopping them from making progress ←
16:00:54 <Zakim> -SteveS
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16:00:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
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16:00:57 <Zakim> -Ashok
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16:00:57 <Zakim> -Roger
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16:00:58 <Zakim> -deiu
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16:00:58 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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16:01:00 <Zakim> -TallTed
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16:01:00 <Zakim> -codyburleson
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16:01:04 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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16:01:07 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
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16:35:01 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, pchampin, in SW_LDP()10:00AM
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16:35:02 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
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16:35:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Sandro, Arnaud, codyburleson, Ashok, JohnArwe, deiu, TallTed, SteveS, Roger, nmihindu, pchampin
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Sandro, Arnaud, codyburleson, Ashok, JohnArwe, deiu, TallTed, SteveS, Roger, nmihindu, pchampin ←
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