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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 15 July 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.15
Seen
Arnaud Le Hors, Ashok Malhotra, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Miel Vander Sande, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Cody Burleson
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of July 8th approved. link
  2. Close actions pending review link
  3. start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22 link
Topics
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13:57:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:47 <trackbot> Date: 15 July 2013
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14:00:28 <Arnaud> zakim, IPCaller is me

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14:00:35 <Zakim> Attendees were Arnaud

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14:00:51 <Zakim> +[IBM]

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14:00:52 <SteveS> Zakim, [IBM] is me

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14:01:36 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:01:38 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:01:39 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:02:05 <cody> Zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:02:06 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

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14:02:33 <Arnaud> sorry, having trouble getting and staying on

Arnaud Le Hors: sorry, having trouble getting and staying on

14:02:51 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:03:18 <Arnaud> Zakim, IPCaller is me

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14:03:49 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P31 is me

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14:03:52 <mielvds> zakim, +329331aaaa is me

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14:03:57 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:03:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveS, TallTed (muted), Sandro, cody, JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, Arnaud, SteveBattle, nmihindu, mielvds

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14:04:50 <cody> I can scribe.

Cody Burleson: I can scribe.

<cody> scribe: cody

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<cody> chair: arnaud
<cody> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.15
<cody> topic: Admin

1. Admin

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14:05:51 <cody> PROPOSAL: Approve Minutes of July 8

PROPOSED: Approve Minutes of July 8

<cody>  http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-07-08

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-07-08

14:05:57 <SteveS> +1 I looked and look good

Steve Speicher: +1 I looked and look good

14:06:02 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:06:31 <cody> Arnaud, hearing no objections, I approve minutes of July 8th.

Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no objections, I approve minutes of July 8th.

<cody> Resolved: Minutes of July 8th approved.

RESOLVED: Minutes of July 8th approved.

<cody> Arnaud: Next meeting is on Monday next week, July 15th.

Arnaud Le Hors: Next meeting is on Monday next week, July 15th.

14:07:06 <nmihindu> s/Arnaud,/Arnaud:
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14:07:59 <svillata> Zakim, ??P41 is me

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<cody> topic: Tracking of actions and issues

2. Tracking of actions and issues

14:08:52 <cody> Arnaud: Anything we need to discuss on actions pending review?

Arnaud Le Hors: Anything we need to discuss on actions pending review?

14:09:50 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?

zakim, who is speaking?

14:10:00 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveS (7%), JohnArwe (59%), Arnaud (8%), mielvds (4%)

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14:11:02 <SteveS> cody, I was speaking with an update

Steve Speicher: cody, I was speaking with an update

14:11:07 <cody> JohnArwe: In the list of 10 or 12 sections, I sent, I think maybe one is worth talking to.

John Arwe: In the list of 10 or 12 sections, I sent, I think maybe one is worth talking to.

14:11:08 <SteveS> prior to JohnArwe

Steve Speicher: prior to JohnArwe

14:11:21 <cody> Arnaud: Any objections to closing the actions marked as pending review?

Arnaud Le Hors: Any objections to closing the actions marked as pending review?

14:11:39 <stevebattle4> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:11:41 <cody> Arnaud: Hearing none, we will close all of the actions that are pending review.

Arnaud Le Hors: Hearing none, we will close all of the actions that are pending review.

14:11:56 <cody> Arnaud: There are quite a few of them.

Arnaud Le Hors: There are quite a few of them.

<cody> Resolved: Close actions pending review

RESOLVED: Close actions pending review

14:12:04 <sandro> action-90?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-90?

14:12:04 <trackbot> ACTION-90 -- Eric Prud'hommeaux to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org -- due 2013-07-15 -- OPEN

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14:12:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/90

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14:12:07 <cody> Arnaud: Eric and Sandro, what about ACTION 90?

Arnaud Le Hors: Eric and Sandro, what about ACTION-90?

14:12:08 <ericP> i didn't do what i was supposed to do

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i didn't do what i was supposed to do

14:12:21 <ericP> i'll try to be a better boy in the near future

Eric Prud'hommeaux: i'll try to be a better boy in the near future

14:12:54 <cody> Arnaud: because we are going to need that to be taken care of in order to go to last call

Arnaud Le Hors: because we are going to need that to be taken care of in order to go to last call

14:13:33 <cody> Arnaud: Miel, what about your action?

Arnaud Le Hors: Miel, what about your action?

14:13:33 <stevebattle4> We can close issue-61

Steve Battle: We can close ISSUE-61

14:13:40 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?

zakim, who is speaking?

14:13:51 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Ashok_Malhotra (10%), Arnaud (43%), mielvds (11%)

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14:13:55 <Arnaud> miel

Arnaud Le Hors: miel

14:14:02 <cody> Mielvds: It will be finished by end of the week.

Miel Vander Sande: It will be finished by end of the week.

14:14:20 <nmihindu> GSP vs LDP -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lofZv855H5D3JDSefpEiE3NBM30YBh2W4pkmAGvlLtM/edit?usp=sharing

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: GSP vs LDP -> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lofZv855H5D3JDSefpEiE3NBM30YBh2W4pkmAGvlLtM/edit?usp=sharing

14:14:39 <cody> ss/Mielvds/mielvds

ss/Mielvds/mielvds

<cody> topic: LDP Specification Last Call

3. LDP Specification Last Call

14:16:11 <cody> Arnaud: Let's move on to the status of the spec. It's basically ready in terms of the normative section. I propose we have 1 week, so I would like us to limit the review to 1 week for final read-through.

Arnaud Le Hors: Let's move on to the status of the spec. It's basically ready in terms of the normative section. I propose we have 1 week, so I would like us to limit the review to 1 week for final read-through.

14:17:44 <cody> Arnaud: We have the F2F4 planned for Sept and I want to allow at least 6 weeks for last call review before that. Then we can dedicate that F2F to address issues raised by last call.

Arnaud Le Hors: We have the F2F4 planned for Sept and I want to allow at least 6 weeks for last call review before that. Then we can dedicate that F2F to address issues raised by last call.

14:18:37 <cody> Arnaud: Maybe we can even adopt a lighter schedule after next week; perhaps meeting only every two weeks. (We keep a weekly call until we have decided that we're going to last call.) Comments?

Arnaud Le Hors: Maybe we can even adopt a lighter schedule after next week; perhaps meeting only every two weeks. (We keep a weekly call until we have decided that we're going to last call.) Comments?

14:19:00 <SteveS> +1 for a week, but recommend sooner than later so editors have a chance to incorporate

Steve Speicher: +1 for a week, but recommend sooner than later so editors have a chance to incorporate

14:19:10 <cody> Arnaud: I hear no objections, so we'll approve that plan.

Arnaud Le Hors: I hear no objections, so we'll approve that plan.

14:19:18 <JohnArwe> The only "discovery" topic I listed in today's email as being worthy of some attention IMO was in Paging-HTTP GET https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-get-1 where we say that the rdf:type=ldp:Page triple is optional.  It has been this way for months, FWIW.

John Arwe: The only "discovery" topic I listed in today's email as being worthy of some attention IMO was in Paging-HTTP GET https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-get-1 where we say that the rdf:type=ldp:Page triple is optional. It has been this way for months, FWIW.

14:19:28 <cody> Arnaud: Let's move to John's point about section.

Arnaud Le Hors: Let's move to John's point about section.

14:20:43 <JohnArwe> 4.9.2.5 is the specific constraint

John Arwe: 4.9.2.5 is the specific constraint

14:20:44 <cody> JohnArwe: Link is in IRC. The 'SHOULD' struck me as a little odd. Section in paging, sub-heading HTTP GET, look at 4 9 2 5

John Arwe: Link is in IRC. The 'SHOULD' struck me as a little odd. Section in paging, sub-heading HTTP GET, look at 4 9 2 5

14:21:02 <cody> s /4 9 2 5/4.9.2.5

s /4 9 2 5/4.9.2.5

14:21:14 <cody> JohnArwe: I think it would make sense if it were a MUST

John Arwe: I think it would make sense if it were a MUST

14:21:52 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, so you suggest both of them to be MUST ?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: JohnArwe, so you suggest both of them to be MUST ?

14:21:53 <cody> Arnaud: There are 2 shoulds. Which one should be a MUST, John?

Arnaud Le Hors: There are 2 shoulds. Which one should be a MUST, John?

14:22:13 <cody> JohnArway: The first one is the important one. The second, I could go either way with.

John Arwe: The first one is the important one. The second, I could go either way with.

14:22:54 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

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14:22:55 <cody> Arnaud: Any comments from anyone else?

Arnaud Le Hors: Any comments from anyone else?

14:23:46 <cody> TallTed: Yes, the mix of SHOULDs and MUSTs does seem a little off here. But I'm not entirely clear on what it SHOULD be (no pun intended). I will do an offline review and get back to people.

Ted Thibodeau: Yes, the mix of SHOULDs and MUSTs does seem a little off here. But I'm not entirely clear on what it SHOULD be (no pun intended). I will do an offline review and get back to people.

14:24:21 <cody> TallTed: Do these flow from each other so 5 depends on 4 depends on 3?

Ted Thibodeau: Do these flow from each other so 5 depends on 4 depends on 3?

14:24:35 <TallTed>  aside: the subsections of both 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 need renumbering from 4.9.x.y

Ted Thibodeau: aside: the subsections of both 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 need renumbering from 4.9.x.y

14:24:52 <JohnArwe> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#introduction-3

John Arwe: https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#introduction-3

14:24:59 <JohnArwe> 2nd paragraph

John Arwe: 2nd paragraph

14:25:14 <TallTed> aside cont: and there's more of that looking back into 4.7, 4.6, 4.5, etc.

Ted Thibodeau: aside cont: and there's more of that looking back into 4.7, 4.6, 4.5, etc.

14:25:30 <nmihindu> JohnArwe, 4.9.2.4 has a higher level MUST which covers 4.9.2.5~4.9.2.7, right ? I wonder whether it has any implication.

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: JohnArwe, 4.9.2.4 has a higher level MUST which covers 4.9.2.5~4.9.2.7, right ? I wonder whether it has any implication.

14:25:50 <cody> JohnArway: Just so all readers are aware LDP makes absolutely no way to find out in advance or control...

John Arwe: Just so all readers are aware LDP makes absolutely no way to find out in advance or control...

14:26:11 <cody> s/JohnArway/JohnArwe/g
14:26:39 <cody> + There's a couple of other small things I'm putting an email together on.

+ There's a couple of other small things I'm putting an email together on.

14:27:11 <cody> Arnaud: Other than that, I'd like us to agree that basically the spec is good enough to start the final review.

Arnaud Le Hors: Other than that, I'd like us to agree that basically the spec is good enough to start the final review.

14:27:40 <cody> TallTed: I think all the numbering needs to be corrected first.

Ted Thibodeau: I think all the numbering needs to be corrected first.

14:27:50 <cody> SteveS: Yeah, I'll fix it.

Steve Speicher: Yeah, I'll fix it.

14:28:11 <Arnaud> Proposal: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22, pending signal from Steve on fixing numbering

PROPOSED: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22, pending signal from Steve on fixing numbering

14:28:41 <cody> +q

+q

14:28:52 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

14:28:59 <Arnaud> ack cody

Arnaud Le Hors: ack cody

14:29:19 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:29:19 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:30:25 <JohnArwe> 5.4.7 In RDF representations, LDPC servers MUST interpret the null relative URI for the subject of triples

John Arwe: 5.4.7 In RDF representations, LDPC servers MUST interpret the null relative URI for the subject of triples

14:30:43 <JohnArwe> ...from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-post-1

John Arwe: ...from https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp.html#http-post-1

14:31:28 <JohnArwe> q+

John Arwe: q+

14:32:29 <Arnaud> ack john

Arnaud Le Hors: ack john

14:33:31 <svillata> q?

Serena Villata: q?

14:33:53 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:33:53 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:34:52 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:35:02 <SteveS> I fixed the numbering issue, was just a missing </a> tag that was breaking everything

Steve Speicher: I fixed the numbering issue, was just a missing </a> tag that was breaking everything

14:35:05 <pchampin> zakim, ??P12 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P12 is me

14:35:05 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

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14:35:28 <cody> TallTed: It's up to us to say how to figure out what the base URI is, if it's not specified in the language (as in turtle)

Ted Thibodeau: It's up to us to say how to figure out what the base URI is, if it's not specified in the language (as in turtle)

14:36:02 <cody> + We need to say, "Here's how you get that base if it's not overridden by your serialization."

+ We need to say, "Here's how you get that base if it's not overridden by your serialization."

14:36:24 <cody> JohnArwe: I do not think that is actually specified.

John Arwe: I do not think that is actually specified.

14:36:58 <cody> JohnArwe: Application defined, basically. Not real hopeful in giving us the default solution.

John Arwe: Application defined, basically. Not real hopeful in giving us the default solution.

14:37:51 <cody> + The 4 levels in order... (scribe didn't get_

+ The 4 levels in order... (scribe didn't get_

14:38:53 <stevebattle4> yes

Steve Battle: yes

14:39:09 <cody> TallTed: Maybe it's worth a paragraph clarifying. I assume that we all agree that when you do a PUT it should resolve the same as when doing a GET

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Maybe it's worth a paragraph clarifying. I assume that we all agree that when you do a PUT it should resolve the same as when doing a GET

14:39:33 <stevebattle4> patch?

Steve Battle: patch?

14:39:47 <cody> + 3986 talks about retrieval . We note that the same scheme is implied for other verbs.

+ 3986 talks about retrieval . We note that the same scheme is implied for other verbs.

14:40:20 <JohnArwe> 2616 Content-Location does handle things for resources having said response header (but that doesn't help here for create): The value of Content-Location also defines the base URI for the

John Arwe: 2616 Content-Location does handle things for resources having said response header (but that doesn't help here for create): The value of Content-Location also defines the base URI for the

14:40:20 <JohnArwe>    entity.

John Arwe: entity.

14:40:48 <cody> Arnaud: Can someone look into this and come up with a concrete propsal for what to add to the spec on this?

Arnaud Le Hors: Can someone look into this and come up with a concrete proposal for what to add to the spec on this?

14:41:24 <nmihindu> s/propsal/proposal
14:41:49 <JohnArwe> ...the *only* other mention of "base URI" in 2616 is in 3.2.1 which basically just says 2396 (superseded by 3986) tells you how to know if any given URI is absolute vs relative.

John Arwe: ...the *only* other mention of "base URI" in 2616 is in 3.2.1 which basically just says 2396 (superseded by 3986) tells you how to know if any given URI is absolute vs relative.

14:42:05 <TallTed> s/TallTed: Maybe/ericP: Maybe/
14:42:19 <Arnaud> Proposal: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22

PROPOSED: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22

14:42:30 <cody> +1

+1

14:42:36 <stevebattle4> +1

Steve Battle: +1

14:42:39 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:42:42 <svillata> +1

Serena Villata: +1

14:42:44 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:42:46 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:42:52 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:42:56 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:42:58 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:43:06 <Arnaud> Resolvedl: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22

RESOLVED: start final review to decide whether we can go to Last Call on 7/22

14:43:15 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:43:45 <nmihindu> s/Resolvedl/Resolved
14:43:46 <cody> EricP: Typing that piece of text for the editor now.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Typing that piece of text for the editor now.

14:43:46 <ericP> RFC3986 defines relative URI resolution in terms of a retrieval URL. This defines the base URL for HTTP GET operations. LDP uses the URL of PUT and PATCH requests as the base URL for the payload of those messages.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: RFC3986 defines relative URI resolution in terms of a retrieval URL. This defines the base URL for HTTP GET operations. LDP uses the URL of PUT and PATCH requests as the base URL for the payload of those messages.

14:44:44 <ericP> Note that POSTs to an LDP Container use the URL of the newly created resource as the base for resolving relative URLs in POST messages.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Note that POSTs to an LDP Container use the URL of the newly created resource as the base for resolving relative URLs in POST messages.

14:44:47 <ericP> .

Eric Prud'hommeaux: .

14:44:56 <SteveS> FYI, here is HTML diff from latest WG to 2nd PWD https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20130715.html

Steve Speicher: FYI, here is HTML diff from latest WG to 2nd PWD https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ldpwg/raw-file/default/ldp-diff-20130715.html

14:45:02 <cody> Arnaud: We can leave it at that for now. Next week, come back with a concrete proposal on this and we can make formal decision on it as part of decision to go to last call.

Arnaud Le Hors: We can leave it at that for now. Next week, come back with a concrete proposal on this and we can make formal decision on it as part of decision to go to last call.

14:45:16 <cody> topic: Next Face-to-Face

4. Next Face-to-Face

14:46:10 <cody> Arnaud: I don't want to have the F2F BEFORE the end of the Last Call period.

Arnaud Le Hors: I don't want to have the F2F BEFORE the end of the Last Call period.

14:46:26 <JohnArwe> arnaud you just cut out

John Arwe: arnaud you just cut out

14:46:28 <sandro> lost arnaud...

Sandro Hawke: lost arnaud...

14:46:28 <Zakim> -Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud

14:46:30 <JohnArwe> ...zero sound

John Arwe: ...zero sound

14:47:01 <Ashok> Arnaud, your audio dropped

Ashok Malhotra: Arnaud, your audio dropped

14:47:10 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?

zakim, who is speaking?

14:47:21 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (52%), ericP (5%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (52%), ericP (5%)

14:47:38 <JohnArwe> that's ericp

John Arwe: that's ericp

14:48:11 <Arnaud1> sorry connection dropped

Arnaud Le Hors: sorry connection dropped

14:48:18 <cody> Arnaud dropped; continued discussion around the F2F schedule.

Arnaud dropped; continued discussion around the F2F schedule.

14:48:38 <mielvds> no objections

Miel Vander Sande: no objections

14:48:42 <ericP> SteveS: risk of scheduling F2F seems low

Steve Speicher: risk of scheduling F2F seems low [ Scribe Assist by Eric Prud'hommeaux ]

14:49:15 <cody> EricP: Sounds like nobody disagrees that we change the current plan, but the heat is totally on for the reviewers.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Sounds like nobody disagrees that we change the current plan, but the heat is totally on for the reviewers.

14:49:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:49:39 <JohnArwe> Arnaud, anything more on your agenda?  EricP stepped in

John Arwe: Arnaud, anything more on your agenda? EricP stepped in

14:49:54 <JohnArwe> ...and now had to mute, so SteveS stepped in.

John Arwe: ...and now had to mute, so SteveS stepped in.

14:50:01 <Arnaud1> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Arnaud Le Hors: Zakim, IPcaller is me

14:50:02 <Zakim> +Arnaud1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud1; got it

14:50:04 <Zakim> +??P32

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P32

14:50:22 <krp> zakim, ??P32 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P32 is me

14:50:22 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:50:50 <cody> Arnaud: (back now) So, I will update the page with information and, eric, please make sure the meeting room is reserved.

Arnaud Le Hors: (back now) So, I will update the page with information and, eric, please make sure the meeting room is reserved.

14:54:40 <cody> zakim, who is speaking?

zakim, who is speaking?

14:54:50 <Zakim> cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (30%)

Zakim IRC Bot: cody, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: TallTed (30%)

14:54:53 <JohnArwe> SteveS speaking

John Arwe: SteveS speaking

<cody> topic: Vocabulary document

5. Vocabulary document

14:56:16 <cody> SteveS: What about the vocabulary document?

Steve Speicher: What about the vocabulary document?

14:56:49 <cody> Arnaud: So, we need to worry about the vocab document as normative?

Arnaud Le Hors: So, we need to worry about the vocab document as normative?

14:59:05 <cody> SteveS: Agreement that it's informative.

Steve Speicher: Agreement that it's informative.

15:00:09 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra

15:00:21 <ericP> ACTION: SteveS to add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification

ACTION: SteveS to add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification

15:00:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-91 - Add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-07-22].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-91 - Add a header to the vocabulary document to say that it's informative; real definitions are in the LDP specification [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-07-22].

15:00:21 <cody> SteveS: We should mark it as such (informative). I'll take an action for that.

Steve Speicher: We should mark it as such (informative). I'll take an action for that.

<cody> Arnaud: MEETING ADJOURNED

Arnaud Le Hors: MEETING ADJOURNED

15:00:25 <Zakim> -mielvds

Zakim IRC Bot: -mielvds

15:00:26 <Zakim> -SteveS

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS

15:00:26 <Zakim> -nmihindu

Zakim IRC Bot: -nmihindu

15:00:28 <Zakim> -svillata

Zakim IRC Bot: -svillata

15:00:29 <stevebattle4> bye

Steve Battle: bye

15:00:32 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

15:00:33 <pchampin> bye

Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye

15:00:33 <Zakim> -cody

Zakim IRC Bot: -cody

15:00:34 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

15:00:37 <Zakim> -ericP

Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP

15:00:39 <Zakim> -krp

Zakim IRC Bot: -krp

15:00:41 <Zakim> -pchampin

Zakim IRC Bot: -pchampin

15:00:46 <Zakim> -Arnaud1

Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud1

15:00:54 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe

15:09:57 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

(No events recorded for 9 minutes)

Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle

15:14:58 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

(No events recorded for 5 minutes)

Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

15:15:00 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:15:00 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, cody, JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, Arnaud, nmihindu, mielvds, krp, ericP, svillata, pchampin, Arnaud1

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveS, TallTed, Sandro, cody, JohnArwe, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, Arnaud, nmihindu, mielvds, krp, ericP, svillata, pchampin, Arnaud1



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