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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 08 July 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.08
Seen
Arnaud Le Hors, Bart van Leeuwen, Cody Burleson, Eric Prud'hommeaux, John Arwe, Kalpa Gunaratna, Miel Vander Sande, Roger Menday, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau, Yves Lafon
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Steve Speicher
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Approved minutes from July 1st link
  2. close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 link
Topics
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14:04:01 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:04:01 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2013
14:04:05 <JohnArwe> zakim, aaaa is roger

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14:04:12 <mielvds> zakim, +329331aabb is me

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14:04:44 <Arnaud> zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:05:40 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:05:51 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:05:53 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:05:58 <Arnaud> yves?

Arnaud Le Hors: yves?

14:06:16 <SteveS> scribe: SteveS

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<steves> chair: Arnaud
<steves> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.07.08
14:06:52 <SteveS> Topic: Approve minutes from July 1st

1. Approve minutes from July 1st

14:07:16 <SteveS> Arnaud: hearing no objections to approve minutes

Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no objections to approve minutes

14:07:20 <Zakim> +[GVoice]

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14:07:30 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me

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14:07:30 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

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14:07:40 <SteveS> RESOLUTION: Approved minutes from July 1st

RESOLVED: Approved minutes from July 1st

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14:07:54 <SteveS> Topic: Update on actions

2. Update on actions

14:08:20 <SteveS> subTopic: ACTION-73 have questions

2.1. ACTION-73 have questions

14:08:25 <SteveS> ACTION-73?

ACTION-73?

14:08:25 <trackbot> ACTION-73 -- Arnaud Le Hors to [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution on HTTP OPTIONS -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-73 -- Arnaud Le Hors to [EDITOR] Update spec to reflect resolution on HTTP OPTIONS -- due 2013-06-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW

14:08:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/73

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14:08:37 <SteveS> JohnArwe: not sure what the editorial changes were

John Arwe: not sure what the editorial changes were

14:09:35 <SteveS> Arnaud: believe we need to make another change

Arnaud Le Hors: believe we need to make another change

14:09:56 <Zakim> +Kalpa

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14:10:25 <TallTed> where's the resolution in question?  actions without clear link to whatever they're based on are hard to usefully review/follow...

Ted Thibodeau: where's the resolution in question? actions without clear link to whatever they're based on are hard to usefully review/follow...

14:10:48 <SteveS> SteveS: added it under paging, just the options support for first page

Steve Speicher: added it under paging, just the options support for first page

14:11:38 <SteveS> JohnArwe: couldn't find what editorial changes were needed based on following ACTION-73 to ISSUE-32 and what the changes for HTTP OPTIONS was intended

John Arwe: couldn't find what editorial changes were needed based on following ACTION-73 to ISSUE-32 and what the changes for HTTP OPTIONS was intended

14:11:59 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-18#resolution_2

Arnaud Le Hors: https://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-06-18#resolution_2

14:12:22 <SteveS> JohnArwe: will take ACTION-73 out of pending review to open to make the changes

John Arwe: will take ACTION-73 out of pending review to open to make the changes

14:12:57 <mielvds> did we decide throwing out HEAD then?

Miel Vander Sande: did we decide throwing out HEAD then?

14:13:33 <SteveS> Arnaud: ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 are pending review as changes are done

Arnaud Le Hors: ACTION-72 and ACTION-86 are pending review as changes are done

14:13:47 <SteveS> Arnaud: no changes to HEAD, OPTIONS is added

Arnaud Le Hors: no changes to HEAD, OPTIONS is added

14:15:29 <SteveS> mielvds: believes we discussed changing HEAD from a MUST to a SHOULD, now that OPTIONS is a MUST

Miel Vander Sande: believes we discussed changing HEAD from a MUST to a SHOULD, now that OPTIONS is a MUST

14:16:31 <SteveS> JohnArwe: can close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

John Arwe: can close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

14:17:08 <SteveS> …but was looking for inferencing wording example where we don't need to put explicit in content that a LDPC is an LDPR

…but was looking for inferencing wording example where we don't need to put explicit in content that a LDPC is an LDPR

14:17:17 <Yves> I can't see why someone would want to avoid doing HEAD

Yves Lafon: I can't see why someone would want to avoid doing HEAD

14:17:30 <TallTed> please repeat, ericP, you were breaking up

Ted Thibodeau: please repeat, ericP, you were breaking up

14:18:02 <SteveS> Yves, I think that is what we concluded in Madrid…why avoid, you need to do GET anyway and there are so few MUSTs

Yves, I think that is what we concluded in Madrid…why avoid, you need to do GET anyway and there are so few MUSTs

14:18:52 <SteveS> ericP: believes it would be good to have the statement be that all knows facts should be included in the rep

Eric Prud'hommeaux: believes it would be good to have the statement be that all knows facts should be included in the rep

14:18:55 <Yves> SteveS, also SHOULD is not a MAY, but still testing all the MUSTs will give a free win for this one

Yves Lafon: SteveS, also SHOULD is not a MAY, but still testing all the MUSTs will give a free win for this one

14:20:03 <ericP> don't: <p1> rdfs:subPredicateOf rdfs:membershipPredicate . <C> <p1> <item1>, <item2> .

Eric Prud'hommeaux: don't: <p1> rdfs:subPredicateOf rdfs:membershipPredicate . <C> <p1> <item1>, <item2> .

14:20:27 <JohnArwe> ericp: normative text in draft is 4.1.13 LDPR servers MUST NOT require LDP clients to implement inferencing in order to recognize the subset of content defined by LDP. Other specifications built on top of LDP MAY require clients to implement inferencing. The practical implication is that all content defined by LDP must be explicitly represented.

Eric Prud'hommeaux: normative text in draft is 4.1.13 LDPR servers MUST NOT require LDP clients to implement inferencing in order to recognize the subset of content defined by LDP. Other specifications built on top of LDP MAY require clients to implement inferencing. The practical implication is that all content defined by LDP must be explicitly represented. [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ]

14:20:44 <JohnArwe> ...was looking for simple (counter-) example to add to that.

John Arwe: ...was looking for simple (counter-) example to add to that.

14:20:46 <SteveS> Arnaud: PROPOSE to close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

Arnaud Le Hors: PROPOSE to close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

14:20:51 <stevebattle4> +1

Steve Battle: +1

14:21:00 <stevebattle4> :)

Steve Battle: :)

14:21:01 <SteveS> +1

+1

14:21:01 <mielvds> +1

Miel Vander Sande: +1

14:21:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

14:21:16 <TallTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

14:21:24 <Arnaud> Resolved: close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

RESOLVED: close ACTION-72 and ACTION-86

14:21:58 <SteveS> Arnaud: Update from the editors?

Arnaud Le Hors: Update from the editors?

14:22:08 <stevebattle4> We still need those UC&R reviews (you know who you are).

Steve Battle: We still need those UC&R reviews (you know who you are).

14:22:31 <SteveS> …can  we have all edits done by next Monday (July 15)?

…can we have all edits done by next Monday (July 15)?

14:22:38 <SteveS> SteveS: yes

Steve Speicher: yes

14:22:41 <SteveS> JohnArwe: yes

John Arwe: yes

14:23:08 <SteveS> Arnaud: all WG members should have their review glasses ready on July 15th

Arnaud Le Hors: all WG members should have their review glasses ready on July 15th

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14:23:23 <cody> Zakim, IPcaller is me

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14:23:28 <SteveS> Arnaud: hearing no issues with this proposed schedule

Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no issues with this proposed schedule

14:23:44 <stevebattle4> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:23:48 <SteveS> Topic: Other status reports

3. Other status reports

14:23:49 <JohnArwe> I should also note, on action-80, the spec update (remove 4.1.5) is done.  Action is still open for the "add to BP" part.

John Arwe: I should also note, on ACTION-80, the spec update (remove 4.1.5) is done. Action is still open for the "add to BP" part.

14:23:56 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

14:24:38 <SteveS> stevebattle4: Handling the various review comments, both making changes and providing feedback

Steve Battle: Handling the various review comments, both making changes and providing feedback

14:24:40 <JohnArwe> q+ to see if action-82 can be done in time to draft LC content

John Arwe: q+ to see if ACTION-82 can be done in time to draft LC content

14:25:01 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

14:25:03 <Arnaud> ack john

Arnaud Le Hors: ack john

14:25:03 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to see if action-82 can be done in time to draft LC content

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14:25:31 <stevebattle4> It's the only way I can get all my work done :)

Steve Battle: It's the only way I can get all my work done :)

14:25:53 <SteveS> JohnArwe: wanted to see if we can move up GSP review on mielvds to fend off any LC issues

John Arwe: wanted to see if we can move up GSP review on mielvds to fend off any LC issues

14:26:39 <SteveS> mielvds: plans to get to it next week

Miel Vander Sande: plans to get to it next week

14:26:44 <JohnArwe> q+ to ask arnaud about process for LC comments

John Arwe: q+ to ask arnaud about process for LC comments

14:26:53 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

14:27:32 <SteveS> roger: Primer has taken the wiki and put in respec form and in the repo

Roger Menday: Primer has taken the wiki and put in respec form and in the repo

14:27:50 <SteveS> …looking to add feature to pick your own format

…looking to add feature to pick your own format

14:27:54 <Arnaud> ack john

Arnaud Le Hors: ack john

14:27:54 <Zakim> JohnArwe, you wanted to ask arnaud about process for LC comments

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14:28:08 <SteveS> JohnArwe: How we are going to handle LC comments?

John Arwe: How we are going to handle LC comments?

14:28:43 <SteveS> ericP: we can setup a mailing list for comments

Eric Prud'hommeaux: we can setup a mailing list for comments

14:29:08 <SteveS> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/

https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/35422/

14:30:04 <ericP> ACTION: ericP to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org

ACTION: ericP to coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org

14:30:05 <trackbot> Created ACTION-90 - Coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-15].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-90 - Coordinate with Sandro re: comment tracker and use mailing list public-ldp-comments@w3.org [on Eric Prud'hommeaux - due 2013-07-15].

14:30:32 <SteveS> Arnaud: any other topics?

Arnaud Le Hors: any other topics?

14:30:38 <SteveS> …hearing none

…hearing none

14:31:12 <mielvds> bye

Miel Vander Sande: bye

14:31:13 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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14:31:14 <stevebattle4> bye

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14:31:15 <Zakim> -roger

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14:31:15 <Zakim> -Yves

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14:31:18 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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14:31:18 <Zakim> -cody

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14:31:18 <Zakim> -mielvds

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14:31:19 <Zakim> -Kalpa

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14:31:21 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: trackbot, end meeting

14:31:21 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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14:31:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, SteveS, +44.208.5.aaaa, roger, SteveBattle, mielvds, Arnaud, TallTed, ericP, Yves, Kalpa, cody

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14:31:26 <Zakim> -ericP

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14:31:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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