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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 03 June 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.03
Present
Arnaud Le Hors, Ted Thibodeau, Henry Story, Ashok Malhotra, Roger Menday, Miel Vander Sande, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Pierre-Antoine Champin, John Arwe, Steve Speicher, Kevin Page, Raúl García Castro, Yves Lafon
Regrets
Serena Villata, Andy Seaborne, Sergio Fernández, Steve Battle
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Miel Vander Sande
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of may 13 approved link
  2. Minutes of may 20 approved link
  3. Close action 63, 64, 66 link
  4. Open issue 74 link
  5. Open issue 77 link
  6. Open issue 72 link
  7. Close issue 76 link
  8. Open issue 75 link
  9. Open issue 71 link
  10. Open Issue-73 and change the product of issue to deployment guide link
  11. Open issue 78 link
  12. Close issue-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname) link
Topics
<Arnaud> Present: Arnaud, TallTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, Steves, krp, rgarcia, Yves
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13:54:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:54:08 <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2013
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14:00:43 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:00:44 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

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14:00:49 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

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14:00:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed

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14:00:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ashok, roger, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ashok, roger, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP, thschee

14:01:13 <Zakim> +bblfish

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14:01:23 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

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14:02:02 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aaaa

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14:02:14 <bblfish> :-)

Henry Story: :-)

14:02:21 <roger> zakim, i am aaaa

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14:02:49 <Zakim> +Ruben

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14:03:07 <mielvds1> zakim, Ruben is me

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14:04:07 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P10 is me

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14:04:17 <pchampin> zakim, ??P7 is me

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14:04:28 <JohnArwe> zakim, aabb is me

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14:05:46 <JohnArwe> scribe: miel

(Scribe set to Miel Vander Sande)

<mielvds1> Chair: Arnaud
<mielvds1> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:06:30 <bblfish> subTopic: Approval of minutes of previous meetings

1.1. Approval of minutes of previous meetings

14:06:53 <roger> a question on the back channel, for the F2F3 is it better to stay near the open middleware centre, or is it better to stay in town ?

Roger Menday: a question on the back channel, for the F2F3 is it better to stay near the open middleware centre, or is it better to stay in town ?

14:07:04 <Zakim> +??P14

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<mielvds1> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-13

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-13

14:07:11 <mielvds1> Resolution: Minutes of may 13 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of may 13 approved

14:07:17 <krp> zakim, ??P14 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P14 is me

14:07:17 <Zakim> +krp; got it

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14:07:52 <bblfish> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.06.03
14:08:00 <nmihindu> roger, better stay close to downtown, in my opinion :)

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: roger, better stay close to downtown, in my opinion :)

<mielvds1> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-20

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-05-20

14:08:03 <mielvds1> Resolution: Minutes of may 20 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of may 20 approved

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14:08:36 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P15 is me

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14:08:52 <mielvds1> subTopic: Next Face 2 Face

1.2. Next Face 2 Face

14:10:12 <mielvds1> Arnaud: By the end of June we need a spec that we can publish as Last Call. We will need to accept that some issues will be postponed

Arnaud Le Hors: By the end of June we need a spec that we can publish as Last Call. We will need to accept that some issues will be postponed

14:10:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: We need to reach that target, because summer is coming. Not publishing before summer means big delay, which is bad

Arnaud Le Hors: We need to reach that target, because summer is coming. Not publishing before summer means big delay, which is bad

14:12:00 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I will do my best as chair to deliver the spec on time

Arnaud Le Hors: I will do my best as chair to deliver the spec on time

14:12:46 <mielvds1> Topic: Tracking of Actions and Issues

2. Tracking of Actions and Issues

14:13:37 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I have posted a list of issues that I consider: at risk => they have no proposal

Arnaud Le Hors: I have posted a list of issues that I consider: at risk => they have no proposal

14:14:16 <mielvds1> Arnaud: if there are issues that are of interest to you, I strongly suggest you come with a proposal BEFORE the meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: if there are issues that are of interest to you, I strongly suggest you come with a proposal BEFORE the meeting

14:14:20 <nmihindu> Issues at risk -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0309.html

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: Issues at risk -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0309.html

14:15:14 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I started using issues-pending-review to keep better track

Arnaud Le Hors: I started using issues-pending-review to keep better track

14:15:24 <mielvds1> subTopic: Actions

2.1. Actions

14:15:36 <bblfish> actions?

Henry Story: actions?

14:15:39 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

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14:16:09 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open

Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/open

14:16:53 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I propose we close the 3 actions pending review

Arnaud Le Hors: I propose we close the 3 actions pending review

14:17:15 <mielvds1> Resolution: Close action 63, 64, 66

RESOLVED: Close ACTION-63, 64, 66

14:18:23 <mielvds1> Arnaud: no other actions to close

Arnaud Le Hors: no other actions to close

14:18:27 <mielvds1> subTopic: Issues

2.2. Issues

14:19:09 <mielvds1> Arnaud: all issues pending reviews have a proposal, they can be discussed during face to face meeting. Let's spend time on raised issues.

Arnaud Le Hors: all issues pending reviews have a proposal, they can be discussed during face to face meeting. Let's spend time on raised issues.

14:19:44 <JohnArwe> actions 63, 64, 66 now closed in db

John Arwe: actions 63, 64, 66 now closed in db

14:19:51 <mielvds1> Arnaud: let's start with issue 74

Arnaud Le Hors: let's start with ISSUE-74

14:20:25 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I propose top open it, objections?

Arnaud Le Hors: I propose top open it, objections?

14:20:39 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 74

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-74

14:21:16 <JohnArwe> arnaud - on 74 you resolved to open; was it also your intent to vote on the proposal today?

John Arwe: arnaud - on 74 you resolved to open; was it also your intent to vote on the proposal today?

14:21:47 <mielvds1> Arnaud: we might vote on 74 later, now raised issues

Arnaud Le Hors: we might vote on 74 later, now raised issues

14:21:47 <JohnArwe> ok... later, time permitting

John Arwe: ok... later, time permitting

14:21:56 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 77

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-77

14:23:37 <mielvds1> Arnaud: roger, still want to open issue 72?

Arnaud Le Hors: roger, still want to open ISSUE-72?

14:23:50 <mielvds1> roger: genuine hole in the spec

Roger Menday: genuine hole in the spec

14:23:59 <bblfish> I am ok with closing issue-76

Henry Story: I am ok with closing ISSUE-76

14:24:03 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 72

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-72

14:24:24 <JohnArwe> regrets: serena, andy, sergio, steve battle
14:24:44 <TallTed> I'm having some trouble following along -- what is the sort order being used for discussion of raised issues?

Ted Thibodeau: I'm having some trouble following along -- what is the sort order being used for discussion of raised issues?

14:24:45 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:25:07 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:25:38 <mielvds1> bblfish: I think we can close issue 76

Henry Story: I think we can close ISSUE-76

14:25:48 <mielvds1> Resolution: Close issue 76

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-76

14:26:28 <roger> @TallTed, I believe the discussion order is according to difficulty/complexity

Roger Menday: @TallTed, I believe the discussion order is according to difficulty/complexity

14:27:24 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:27:44 <pchampin> yes; I'm mute

Pierre-Antoine Champin: yes; I'm mute

14:27:44 <bblfish> the answer I was mentioning that I wrote this morning is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jun/0003.html

Henry Story: the answer I was mentioning that I wrote this morning is http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Jun/0003.html

14:27:47 <pchampin> muted :)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: muted :)

14:28:02 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:28:03 <pchampin> can't find the unmute button

Pierre-Antoine Champin: can't find the unmute button

14:28:04 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

14:28:16 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here?

14:28:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed (muted), bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Arnaud, TallTed (muted), bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, roger, mielvds1, nmihindu, pchampin, JohnArwe, +1.919.306.aacc, krp, rgarcia, Yves

14:28:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see roger, rgarcia, pchampin, krp, JohnArwe, nmihindu, Ashok, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see roger, rgarcia, pchampin, krp, JohnArwe, nmihindu, Ashok, mielvds1, Zakim, RRSAgent, TallTed, jmvanel, Arnaud, bblfish, betehess, Yves, sandro, trackbot, ericP,

14:28:19 <Zakim> ... thschee

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14:28:21 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 75

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-75

14:28:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I hope people in the RDF semantics can come in and look at these specific issues

Arnaud Le Hors: I hope people in the RDF semantics can come in and look at these specific issues

14:29:13 <mielvds1> Arnaud: issue 71 is main topic of discussion

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-71 is main topic of discussion

14:29:15 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 71

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-71

14:30:25 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:30:31 <mielvds1> Arnaud: explain, henry, what issue 73 is about

Arnaud Le Hors: explain, henry, what ISSUE-73 is about

14:30:33 <TallTed> tangential but important -- all instances of "rdf:member" should be corrected to "rdfs:member", in ISSUEs, ACTIONs, etc.

Ted Thibodeau: tangential but important -- all instances of "rdf:member" should be corrected to "rdfs:member", in ISSUEs, ACTIONs, etc.

14:30:37 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:30:56 <mielvds1> bblfish: there is a confusion, people are taking any relation as member relation

Henry Story: there is a confusion, people are taking any relation as member relation

14:31:32 <mielvds1> bblfish: there needs to be a relation between LDPC and the members of it according to ATOM and REST people

Henry Story: there needs to be a relation between LDPC and the members of it according to ATOM and REST people

14:32:02 <mielvds1> bblfish: LDP contains (issue 79) is closely related, it's a better issue

Henry Story: LDP contains (ISSUE-79) is closely related, it's a better issue

14:32:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: we can close issue 73

Henry Story: we can close ISSUE-73

14:33:36 <mielvds1> bblfish: in my impl. clients could find all created members

Henry Story: in my impl. clients could find all created members

14:34:06 <mielvds1> bblfish: 79 explains this, 73 is the real spec issue

Henry Story: 79 explains this, 73 is the real spec issue

14:34:27 <mielvds1> bblfish: 73 is more a 'best practice' issue

Henry Story: 73 is more a 'best practice' issue

14:35:19 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open Issue-73 and change the product of issue to deployment guide

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-73 and change the product of issue to deployment guide

14:35:43 <JohnArwe> issue-73 updated in db per the resolution

John Arwe: ISSUE-73 updated in db per the resolution

14:35:50 <mielvds1> Arnaud: issue 78 and 79 are left

Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-78 and 79 are left

14:36:58 <mielvds1> bblfish: issue 78 depends on if we want inferencing, if we want to allow it

Henry Story: ISSUE-78 depends on if we want inferencing, if we want to allow it

14:38:00 <mielvds1> bblfish: clients stick to LDP and have zero inferencing

Henry Story: clients stick to LDP and have zero inferencing

14:38:18 <mielvds1> Arnaud: wise thing to do to clarify the spec to make sure people know what to expect

Arnaud Le Hors: wise thing to do to clarify the spec to make sure people know what to expect

14:38:33 <pchampin> not sure the term "level" is used, but different "kinds of entailments" are well defined in RDF Semantics and OWL

Pierre-Antoine Champin: not sure the term "level" is used, but different "kinds of entailments" are well defined in RDF Semantics and OWL

14:38:44 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:38:44 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:39:31 <bblfish> ok with that

Henry Story: ok with that

14:39:33 <mielvds1> Resolution: Open issue 78

RESOLVED: Open ISSUE-78

14:39:36 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:39:36 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

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14:40:15 <JohnArwe> issue-78 opened in db

John Arwe: ISSUE-78 opened in db

14:40:45 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I suggest we open 79

Arnaud Le Hors: I suggest we open 79

14:44:38 <mielvds1> Can issue 79 be opened?

Can ISSUE-79 be opened?

14:45:34 <mielvds1> Topic: Open Issues

3. Open Issues

14:45:40 <bblfish> subtopic: Issue-64

3.1. ISSUE-64

14:45:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review

14:45:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64

14:45:41 <nmihindu> issue-64

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-64

14:45:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-64 -- Non-member-properties and Hypermedia as the Engine of Application State (HATEOAS) Compliance -- pending review

14:45:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/64

14:46:42 <JohnArwe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0226.html proposal email

John Arwe: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0226.html proposal email

14:47:00 <mielvds1> Arnaud: the proposal from John is to close the one regarding non-member-properties, related issue first-page is in de draft now

Arnaud Le Hors: the proposal from John is to close the one regarding non-member-properties, related issue first-page is in editor's draft now

14:47:18 <JohnArwe> s/ de / editor's /
14:47:31 <bblfish> link headers sounds pretty safe given that other protocols have already reveiewed them.

Henry Story: link headers sounds pretty safe given that other protocols have already reveiewed them.

14:48:39 <pchampin> +.5 for a URI

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +.5 for a URI

14:48:43 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:48:51 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:49:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: the disadvantage of the short url, is that there is no RDF. We cannot put it in the body.

Henry Story: the disadvantage of the short url, is that there is no RDF. We cannot put it in the body.

14:49:47 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:49:51 <mielvds1> Arnaud: if we put it in the RDF content, you have to do a GET, which is what we want to avoid (having to get all members)

Arnaud Le Hors: if we put it in the RDF content, you have to do a GET, which is what we want to avoid (having to get all members)

14:49:55 <JohnArwe> I don't care either way; I'm not sure that this semantic is general enough to make it worth registering a short name, so I'm fine with defining our own URL

John Arwe: I don't care either way; I'm not sure that this semantic is general enough to make it worth registering a short name, so I'm fine with defining our own URL

14:50:07 <mielvds1> Arnaud: http link header seems to be more adequate

Arnaud Le Hors: http link header seems to be more adequate

14:51:49 <mielvds1> Arnaud: let's have a quick poll

Arnaud Le Hors: let's have a quick poll

14:52:12 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

14:52:24 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: close issue-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)

14:52:41 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:52:43 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:52:45 <TallTed> +1

Ted Thibodeau: +1

14:52:48 <mielvds1> +1

+1

14:52:48 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:52:51 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1

14:52:54 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:52:58 <Ashok> +1

Ashok Malhotra: +1

14:53:02 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:53:09 <Arnaud> +1 (on behalf SteveS)

Arnaud Le Hors: +1 (on behalf SteveS)

14:53:22 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close issue-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-64 per John's proposal with a URL (rather than shortname)

14:53:40 <bblfish> subtopic: Issue-71

3.2. ISSUE-71

14:53:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-71 -- No membershipSubject or membershipPredicate -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-71 -- No membershipSubject or membershipPredicate -- raised

14:53:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/71

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/71

14:55:05 <bblfish> q+

Henry Story: q+

14:55:08 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I'd like to know how many people want to be able to reuse vocabularies. This is actually more of a requirement than a use case, as it applies to several use cases. The member submission failed to include this requirement and as a result our UC&R doesn't.

Arnaud Le Hors: I'd like to know how many people want to be able to reuse vocabularies. This is actually more of a requirement than a use case, as it applies to several use cases. The member submission failed to include this requirement and as a result our UC&R doesn't.

14:55:36 <mielvds1> Arnaud: 2 Possible options

Arnaud Le Hors: 2 Possible options

<mielvds1> ... 1. reuse of domain vocabulary lower adoption barrier for users but makes it harder for developers, they have to implement more

... 1. reuse of domain vocabulary lower adoption barrier for users but makes it harder for developers, they have to implement more

14:55:52 <mielvds1> Arnaud: Or, 2. we keep it simple.

Arnaud Le Hors: Or, 2. we keep it simple.

14:56:13 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:56:43 <mielvds1> Arnaud: just one type of membership. This makes it easier for developers and users that start from scratch. On the other hand, people with domain vocabularies will have to do a transformation

Arnaud Le Hors: just one type of membership. This makes it easier for developers and users that start from scratch. On the other hand, people with domain vocabularies will have to do a transformation

14:56:49 <Arnaud> ack bblfish

Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish

14:56:58 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html

Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html

14:57:05 <mielvds1> bblfish: that might be the wrong kind of question

Henry Story: that might be the wrong kind of question

14:58:18 <mielvds1> bblfish: Use case of SteveS - you have an LDPR and you want to add something. The way you are putting it, creates a relation.

Henry Story: Use case of SteveS - you have an LDPR and you want to add something. The way you are putting it, creates a relation.

14:58:30 <pchampin> :-(

Pierre-Antoine Champin: :-(

14:58:38 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

14:58:41 <JohnArwe> pierre sounds like a dialer auto-dialing

John Arwe: pierre sounds like a dialer auto-dialing

14:58:44 <pchampin> I'll write it down quickly

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I'll write it down quickly

14:59:08 <pchampin> I think people will have to massage their data anyway

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I think people will have to massage their data anyway

14:59:10 <pchampin> if only to add LDPR and LDPC types to their resources

Pierre-Antoine Champin: if only to add LDPR and LDPC types to their resources

14:59:26 <pchampin> (ok, my mistake)

Pierre-Antoine Champin: (ok, my mistake)

14:59:28 <bblfish> in short it's the wrong question. The end of ISSUE-71 shows two other ways to allow the same use cases to be resolved. Add some kind of declarative inferencing language and one has many more possibilites.

Henry Story: in short it's the wrong question. The end of ISSUE-71 shows two other ways to allow the same use cases to be resolved. Add some kind of declarative inferencing language and one has many more possibilites.

14:59:50 <pchampin> so keeping it orthogonal with the app-specific vocabulary seems a reasonable way to proceed

Pierre-Antoine Champin: so keeping it orthogonal with the app-specific vocabulary seems a reasonable way to proceed

15:00:01 <mielvds1> Arnaud: I'm saying this because the question about not having a use case for this was raised.

Arnaud Le Hors: I'm saying this because the question about not having a use case for this was raised.

15:01:14 <bblfish> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html

Henry Story: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013May/0250.html

15:01:38 <Zakim> -roger

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15:02:24 <TallTed> this seems effectively to raise the question of "require inference (to handle { ldp:membershipPredicate owl:subProperty rdfs:member } ), or do not require inference" ... and I've hit a hard stop and must drop from this call.

Ted Thibodeau: this seems effectively to raise the question of "require inference (to handle { ldp:membershipPredicate owl:subProperty rdfs:member } ), or do not require inference" ... and I've hit a hard stop and must drop from this call.

<mielvds1> Arnaud: We'll have to leave it at that for now. Please, be courteous in your communication.

Arnaud Le Hors: We'll have to leave it at that for now. Please, be courteous in your communication.

15:02:31 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:03:47 <bblfish> thanks

Henry Story: thanks

15:03:48 <pchampin> bye

Pierre-Antoine Champin: bye

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