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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 29 April 2013

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.29
Present
Henry Story, Ashok Malhotra, Cody Burleson, Ted Thibodeau, John Arwe, Kevin Page, Roger Menday, Steve Battle, Sergio Fernández, Serena Villata, Raúl García Castro, Miel Vander Sande, Arnaud Le Hors, Nandana Mihindukulasooriya, Pierre-Antoine Champin, Yves Lafon, Sandro Hawke, Andy Seaborne
Regrets
Steve Speicher, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Bart van Leeuwen
Chair
Arnaud Le Hors
Scribe
Serena Villata
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes of April 22 approved link
  2. Close ACTION-54 link
  3. Close issue-61, henry to raise another issue asking for clarification link
  4. Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next link
  5. Close issue-59, with option A link
Topics
<Arnaud> Present: bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra,cody, TallTed, JohnArwe, krp, roger, SteveBattle, sergio, svillata, rgarcia, mielvds1, Arnaud, nmihindu, pchampin, Yves, Sandro, AndyS
13:57:20 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/29-ldp-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2013/04/29-ldp-irc

13:57:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:57:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP

13:57:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started

13:57:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:25 <trackbot> Date: 29 April 2013
13:57:56 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

13:58:03 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

13:58:10 <pchampin> zakim, ??P7 is me

Pierre-Antoine Champin: zakim, ??P7 is me

13:58:10 <Zakim> +pchampin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +pchampin; got it

13:58:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:58:36 <cody> zakim IPcaller is me

Cody Burleson: zakim IPcaller is me

13:58:51 <cody> zakim, IPcaller is cody

Cody Burleson: zakim, IPcaller is cody

13:58:51 <Zakim> +cody; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cody; got it

13:59:02 <Zakim> +JohnArwe

Zakim IRC Bot: +JohnArwe

13:59:23 <Zakim> + +329331aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aaaa

13:59:39 <Zakim> +Arnaud

Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud

14:00:05 <Zakim> - +329331aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: - +329331aaaa

14:01:10 <Zakim> + +329331aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +329331aabb

14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:01:18 <mielvds1> zakim, +329331aabb is me

Miel Vander Sande: zakim, +329331aabb is me

14:01:18 <Zakim> +mielvds1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +mielvds1; got it

14:01:41 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:01:54 <rgarcia> zakim, ??P2 is me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P2 is me

14:01:54 <Zakim> +rgarcia; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rgarcia; got it

14:01:55 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:01:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia

14:02:19 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

14:02:36 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra

14:02:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller.a]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller.a]

14:02:42 <sergio> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Sergio Fernández: Zakim, [IPcaller] is me

14:02:42 <Zakim> +sergio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +sergio; got it

14:02:52 <Zakim> +??P24

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P24

14:02:56 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller.a is me

Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller.a is me

14:02:56 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it

14:02:59 <JohnArwe> regrets: steve speicher, ericp
14:03:08 <Zakim> +??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P25

14:03:09 <Arnaud> regrets: steve speicher, ericp, bart
14:03:23 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?

John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise?

14:03:30 <Zakim> + +44.208.573.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.208.573.aacc

14:03:34 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (38%), ??P25 (42%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Arnaud (38%), ??P25 (42%)

14:03:41 <AndyS> Partial apologies - limited to 30 mins.

Andy Seaborne: Partial apologies - limited to 30 mins.

14:03:48 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:03:49 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia, sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, ??P24, ??P25, +44.208.573.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, ??P17, rgarcia, sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, ??P24, ??P25, +44.208.573.aacc

14:04:18 <Zakim> -??P25

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P25

14:04:34 <roger> kakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me

Roger Menday: kakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me

14:04:43 <Zakim> +bblfish

Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish

14:04:46 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P24 is me

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P24 is me

14:04:46 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it

14:04:52 <roger> zakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me

Roger Menday: zakim, +44.208.573.aacc is me

14:04:52 <Zakim> +roger; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +roger; got it

14:04:58 <Zakim> +??P27

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P27

14:05:16 <svillata> Zakim, ??P27 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P27 is me

14:05:16 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:05:44 <Arnaud> scribe: svillata

(Scribe set to Serena Villata)

<Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
<Arnaud> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2013.04.29
14:05:51 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?

John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise?

14:06:03 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveBattle (46%), JohnArwe (9%), Arnaud (64%), mielvds1 (3%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 11 seconds I heard sound from the following: SteveBattle (46%), JohnArwe (9%), Arnaud (64%), mielvds1 (3%)

<svillata> Topic: Admin

1. Admin

14:07:22 <svillata> subTopic: Approval minutes of April 22

1.1. Approval minutes of April 22

<svillata> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-04-22

http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2013-04-22

14:08:24 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31

14:08:26 <Zakim> -??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P31

14:08:59 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

14:09:04 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

14:09:04 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +TallTed; got it

14:09:19 <Zakim> +Yves

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves

14:09:30 <svillata> Arnaud: we can change the minutes accoding to TallTed argument

Arnaud Le Hors: we can change the minutes according to TallTed argument

14:09:37 <JohnArwe> arnaud: will clean up minutes to address JohnArwe's email

Arnaud Le Hors: will clean up minutes to address JohnArwe's email [ Scribe Assist by John Arwe ]

14:09:50 <JohnArwe> s/accoding/according/
14:09:59 <stevebattle> Thanks

Steve Battle: Thanks

14:10:07 <svillata> Arnaud: I will update the monutes

Arnaud Le Hors: I will update the minutes

14:10:19 <AndyS> Transactions?

Andy Seaborne: Transactions?

14:10:30 <svillata> RESOLVED: Minutes of April 22 approved

RESOLVED: Minutes of April 22 approved

14:10:46 <nmihindu> s/monutes/minutes
14:10:56 <svillata> subTopic:next F2F meeting

1.2. next F2F meeting

14:11:15 <svillata> Arnaud: please specify your participation to the next F2F meeting

Arnaud Le Hors: please specify your participation to the next F2F meeting

14:11:25 <bblfish> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F3

Henry Story: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/F2F3

14:11:30 <roger> just for info, next Monday is public holliday here in UK ...

Roger Menday: just for info, next Monday is public holliday here in UK ...

14:11:44 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:11:44 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:11:53 <svillata> Topic: Tracking of actions and Issues

2. Tracking of actions and Issues

<svillata> subTopic: Actions pending review

2.1. Actions pending review

14:12:23 <bblfish> Action-54>

Henry Story: ACTION-54>

14:12:23 <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to review the 'PROV-AQ: Provenance Access and Query' document and provide feedback -- due 2013-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-54 -- Nandana Mihindukulasooriya to review the 'PROV-AQ: Provenance Access and Query' document and provide feedback -- due 2013-04-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW

14:12:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/54

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/54

14:12:35 <svillata> RESOLVED: Close ACTION-54

RESOLVED: Close ACTION-54

14:13:04 <svillata> Arnaud: Any other action to be consider for closure?

Arnaud Le Hors: Any other action to be consider for closure?

14:14:27 <svillata> Arnaud: time is going by, we have quite a few actions we are waiting for

Arnaud Le Hors: time is going by, we have quite a few actions we are waiting for

14:15:02 <svillata> Arnaud: there was an action about the patch, do you know the status of it?

Arnaud Le Hors: there was an action about the patch, do you know the status of it?

14:15:17 <bblfish> The PATCH format action is important

Henry Story: The PATCH format action is important

14:15:34 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:15:36 <bblfish> Is there a PATCH Action?

Henry Story: Is there a PATCH Action?

14:16:04 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

14:16:26 <svillata> Arnaud: at the F2F we agree on the direction, we need to make sure we don't lose that

Arnaud Le Hors: at the F2F we agree on the direction, we need to make sure we don't lose that

14:16:47 <svillata> ... we don't have an action on that

... we don't have an action on that

14:16:59 <svillata> ... Sandro is working on the PATCH action

... Sandro is working on the PATCH action

14:17:29 <svillata> Arnaud: we have one raised issue

Arnaud Le Hors: we have one raised issue

14:17:30 <Zakim> +??P35

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35

14:17:48 <krp> zakim, ??P35 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P35 is me

14:17:48 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:17:48 <svillata> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61

http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61

14:18:00 <svillata> subTopic: Raised issues

2.2. Raised issues

<svillata> ISSUE-61

ISSUE-61

14:18:23 <svillata> Arnaud: Henry, why do you think it is a problem?

Arnaud Le Hors: Henry, why do you think it is a problem?

14:19:20 <JohnArwe> zakim, who's making noise?

John Arwe: zakim, who's making noise?

14:19:29 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:19:31 <Zakim> JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: rgarcia (9%), mielvds1 (4%)

Zakim IRC Bot: JohnArwe, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: rgarcia (9%), mielvds1 (4%)

14:19:32 <TallTed> bblfish - you moved from a clear vocal space, to the bottom of a well...

Ted Thibodeau: bblfish - you moved from a clear vocal space, to the bottom of a well...

14:20:20 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

14:20:49 <svillata> stevebattle: the membership subject is not necessarily a separate LDPR

Steve Battle: the membership subject is not necessarily a separate LDPR

14:21:03 <JohnArwe> q+

John Arwe: q+

14:21:13 <svillata> ... I agree with your point of view, maybe removing flexibility

... I agree with your point of view, maybe removing flexibility

14:21:15 <Arnaud> ack john

Arnaud Le Hors: ack john

14:21:28 <bblfish> Issue-61

Henry Story: ISSUE-61

14:21:28 <trackbot> ISSUE-61 -- remove membershipSubject -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-61 -- remove membershipSubject -- raised

14:21:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/61

14:22:24 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:22:42 <rgarcia> zakim, mute me

Raúl García Castro: zakim, mute me

14:22:42 <Zakim> rgarcia should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rgarcia should now be muted

14:23:16 <svillata> JohnArwe: we have existing resources to be structured naturally, I assign membership subject or vary membership predicate

John Arwe: we have existing resources to be structured naturally, I assign membership subject or vary membership predicate

14:24:14 <svillata> bblfish: you only allow the content to be placed to another container

Henry Story: you only allow the content to be placed to another container

14:24:35 <AndyS> Inline members which may be containers (so type triple is not unique)?

Andy Seaborne: Inline members which may be containers (so type triple is not unique)?

14:24:36 <Zakim> -??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P17

14:24:42 <svillata> ... for the moment the relations can only be a sub-relation of RDF member

... for the moment the relations can only be a sub-relation of RDF member

14:25:07 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?

Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's on the phone?

14:25:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia (muted), sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, nmihindu, roger, bblfish, svillata, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia (muted), sergio, Ashok_Malhotra, AndyS, nmihindu, roger, bblfish, svillata, TallTed

14:25:11 <Zakim> ... (muted), Yves, krp

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), Yves, krp

14:25:33 <svillata> ... we could think to a way of doing things in a more general way

... we could think to a way of doing things in a more general way

14:26:02 <svillata> bblfish: the new container is related to the new content

Henry Story: the new container is related to the new content

14:26:40 <svillata> ... membership predicate does not say LDP membership

... membership predicate does not say LDP membership

14:27:09 <svillata> Arnaud: there is no restriction to RDF member

Arnaud Le Hors: there is no restriction to RDF member

14:27:17 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:27:38 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:27:53 <krp> zakim, ??P17 is me

Kevin Page: zakim, ??P17 is me

14:27:53 <Zakim> +krp; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it

14:27:56 <svillata> q?

q?

14:28:08 <Arnaud> ack steveb

Arnaud Le Hors: ack steveb

14:28:32 <svillata> stevebattle: I agree with John, there is not such a kind of restriction

Steve Battle: I agree with John, there is not such a kind of restriction

14:29:18 <pchampin> q+

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q+

14:29:39 <roger> @steveabattle ... on the subject, is my opinion

Roger Menday: @steveabattle ... on the subject, is my opinion

14:30:10 <svillata> Arnaud: you may have a resource which has nothing to do with LDP resource

Arnaud Le Hors: you may have a resource which has nothing to do with LDP resource

14:30:19 <stevebattle> Sounds like there's a difference of interpretation here then?

Steve Battle: Sounds like there's a difference of interpretation here then?

14:30:22 <pchampin> q-

Pierre-Antoine Champin: q-

14:30:27 <Arnaud> ack pchampin

Arnaud Le Hors: ack pchampin

14:30:27 <svillata> Arnaud: we need to move on

Arnaud Le Hors: we need to move on

14:30:47 <svillata> pchampin: I can ask my question on the mailing list

Pierre-Antoine Champin: I can ask my question on the mailing list

14:31:31 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:31:31 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:31:38 <svillata> Arnaud: it's better to go on with the open issues and actions

Arnaud Le Hors: it's better to go on with the open issues and actions

14:32:33 <svillata> q?

q?

14:32:57 <AndyS> "I don't understand" (which is rather open) needs to be turned into "If I read it as XYZ, then ABC is a problem"

Andy Seaborne: "I don't understand" (which is rather open) needs to be turned into "If I read it as XYZ, then ABC is a problem"

14:33:49 <svillata> Arnaud: either we close it or we rename it as membership subject

Arnaud Le Hors: either we close it or we rename it as membership subject

14:34:03 <svillata> bblfish: I can rename for next week

Henry Story: I can rename for next week

14:34:22 <TallTed> e.g., "membershipSubject needs better description, or possible removal"

Ted Thibodeau: e.g., "membershipSubject needs better description, or possible removal"

14:34:33 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:34:33 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:34:41 <mielvds1> agreed, rename and retake

Miel Vander Sande: agreed, rename and retake

14:34:46 <svillata> Arnaud: unless somebody makes a concrete proposal

Arnaud Le Hors: unless somebody makes a concrete proposal

14:34:51 <stevebattle> I'd prefer to see clarification.

Steve Battle: I'd prefer to see clarification.

14:35:13 <svillata> bblfish: you can close the issue and then I'll reopen it clarifying

Henry Story: you can close the issue and then I'll reopen it clarifying

14:35:40 <stevebattle> yes

Steve Battle: yes

14:35:41 <mielvds1> ok

Miel Vander Sande: ok

14:35:44 <sergio> ok

Sergio Fernández: ok

14:35:49 <svillata> ok

ok

14:36:03 <Arnaud> resolved: Close issue-61, henry to raise another issue asking for clarification

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-61, henry to raise another issue asking for clarification

14:36:11 <svillata> close Issue-61

close ISSUE-61

14:36:11 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-61 remove membershipSubject.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-61 remove membershipSubject.

14:36:23 <svillata> Topic: Open issues

3. Open issues

<svillata> subtopic: Issue-26

3.1. ISSUE-26

14:36:32 <bblfish> Issue-26?

Henry Story: ISSUE-26?

14:36:32 <trackbot> ISSUE-26 -- creation model for LDP -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-26 -- creation model for LDP -- open

14:36:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/26

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/26

14:36:36 <svillata> Arnaud: proposal close Issue-26

Arnaud Le Hors: proposal close ISSUE-26

14:37:11 <svillata> Arnaud: suggested to put it in the wish list, and close Issue-26

Arnaud Le Hors: suggested to put it in the wish list, and close ISSUE-26

14:37:19 <svillata> ... any problem with this?

... any problem with this?

14:38:05 <svillata> ashok: what are we closing? what are we not specifying now?

Ashok Malhotra: what are we closing? what are we not specifying now?

14:38:18 <roger> +q

Roger Menday: +q

14:39:03 <svillata> ashok: do we have an open issue on how do we create a container?

Ashok Malhotra: do we have an open issue on how do we create a container?

14:39:43 <svillata> Arnaud: the answer I believe the spec is silent about how to create a container, you can create a container as you create the other resources

Arnaud Le Hors: the answer I believe the spec is silent about how to create a container, you can create a container as you create the other resources

14:40:39 <Arnaud> ack roger

Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger

14:40:41 <nmihindu> Issue-36?

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: ISSUE-36?

14:40:41 <trackbot> ISSUE-36 -- Can applications create new containers? -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-36 -- Can applications create new containers? -- closed

14:40:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/36

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/36

14:40:42 <sandro> Where I'm stuck is how you know whether a particular container will look at the POSTed content to see if it should make a subcontainer.    We need a way to say what stuff is looked for in POST.

Sandro Hawke: Where I'm stuck is how you know whether a particular container will look at the POSTed content to see if it should make a subcontainer. We need a way to say what stuff is looked for in POST.

14:40:58 <JohnArwe> IIRC we have talked about capturing that answer in some of the non-Rec-track documents (primer/whatever) to keep it clear what's part of the normative content vs what's an implication of the normative content.

John Arwe: IIRC we have talked about capturing that answer in some of the non-Rec-track documents (primer/whatever) to keep it clear what's part of the normative content vs what's an implication of the normative content.

14:41:02 <sandro> (aka affordances.)

Sandro Hawke: (aka affordances.)

14:41:25 <svillata> Roger: I'm not talking about create a container inside a container

Roger Menday: I'm not talking about create a container inside a container

14:42:53 <svillata> Arnaud: the editors have an action item to specify how to create containers in the spec

Arnaud Le Hors: the editors have an action item to specify how to create containers in the spec

14:42:54 <roger> I mean containers as 'siblings' of other containers ...

Roger Menday: I mean containers as 'siblings' of other containers ...

14:43:47 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next

PROPOSED: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next

14:43:51 <TallTed> what's the open action?

Ted Thibodeau: what's the open action?

14:44:01 <bblfish> +1 issue-26 is incredibly vague

Henry Story: +1 ISSUE-26 is incredibly vague

14:44:08 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:44:09 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:44:09 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

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14:44:09 <sergio> +1

Sergio Fernández: +1

14:44:10 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:44:15 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1

14:44:16 <mielvds1> +1

Miel Vander Sande: +1

14:44:22 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:44:24 <svillata> Arnaud: no action on the tracker, it's issue-26

Arnaud Le Hors: no action on the tracker, it's ISSUE-26

14:44:26 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

14:44:26 <bblfish> q?

Henry Story: q?

14:44:26 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:44:27 <cody> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

14:44:29 <svillata> +1

+1

14:44:51 <Ashok> +1 as long as issue-36 remains open

Ashok Malhotra: +1 as long as ISSUE-36 remains open

14:45:18 <cody> You mean providing 36 is reopened?

Cody Burleson: You mean providing 36 is reopened?

14:45:23 <JohnArwe> roger's sibling example: using the existing spec example (net-worth has 2 containers, assets and liabilities), how would roger create a 3rd container within the net-worth resource?

John Arwe: roger's sibling example: using the existing spec example (net-worth has 2 containers, assets and liabilities), how would roger create a 3rd container within the net-worth resource?

14:45:33 <svillata> Issue-36 is closed at the moment

ISSUE-36 is closed at the moment

14:45:39 <TallTed> +1 pending action creation and association with both issues (reviewing action completion will inform whether a new issue is needed... and clarity of that issue)

Ted Thibodeau: +1 pending action creation and association with both issues (reviewing action completion will inform whether a new issue is needed... and clarity of that issue)

14:45:45 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

14:45:45 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should now be muted

14:45:46 <Arnaud> action: steves to propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of issue-36

ACTION: steves to propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of ISSUE-36

14:45:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of issue-36 [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-05-06].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-55 - Propose text clarifying the creation of container, per resolution of ISSUE-36 [on Steve Speicher - due 2013-05-06].

14:45:49 <JohnArwe> +1 move issue-26 to ldp.next

John Arwe: +1 move ISSUE-26 to ldp.next

14:45:53 <Ashok> Ah!  thanks, Cody!

Ashok Malhotra: Ah! thanks, Cody!

14:46:13 <Arnaud> resolved: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-26: Creation model for LDP as is, add it to the wishlist for LDP.next

<svillata> subtopic: Issue-59

3.2. ISSUE-59

14:46:38 <svillata> Issue-59

ISSUE-59

14:46:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59

14:46:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-59 -- Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-59 -- Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior -- open

14:46:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/59

14:47:20 <svillata> Arnaud: we revert to the original spec, when you delete a container there is no guarantee, you delete the content too

Arnaud Le Hors: we revert to the original spec, when you delete a container there is no guarantee, you delete the content too

14:47:21 <roger> @JohnArwe, I am opening a issue on this now.

Roger Menday: @JohnArwe, I am opening a issue on this now.

14:47:33 <roger> i.e. about the siblings

Roger Menday: i.e. about the siblings

14:47:38 <svillata> ... I put together a new proposal based on bblfish one

... I put together a new proposal based on bblfish one

14:48:15 <svillata> ...you have the members, and then when you delete the container you delete these members only, and not the others

...you have the members, and then when you delete the container you delete these members only, and not the others

14:48:18 <bblfish> Arnaud is summarising http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0123.html

Henry Story: Arnaud is summarising http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ldp-wg/2013Apr/0123.html

14:49:34 <svillata> Arnaud: A) we have one container, B) we have one container but keep track of contained members, C) we stick with what we have (two containers)

Arnaud Le Hors: A) we have one container, B) we have one container but keep track of contained members, C) we stick with what we have (two containers)

14:49:57 <stevebattle> 1,0,0

Steve Battle: 1,0,0

14:49:57 <sandro> A (I think)

Sandro Hawke: A (I think)

14:50:04 <sergio> +1 A

Sergio Fernández: +1 A

14:50:06 <pchampin> A

Pierre-Antoine Champin: A

14:50:06 <Yves> A

Yves Lafon: A

14:50:07 <cody> A (leaning towards)

Cody Burleson: A (leaning towards)

14:50:10 <rgarcia> A

Raúl García Castro: A

14:50:11 <roger> A

Roger Menday: A

14:50:11 <svillata> A

A

14:50:27 <sergio> q+

Sergio Fernández: q+

14:50:29 <mielvds1> A

Miel Vander Sande: A

14:50:32 <JohnArwe> I think the difference between A and B is whether or not clients can "introspect" which member resources the server will delete if the container is deleted.

John Arwe: I think the difference between A and B is whether or not clients can "introspect" which member resources the server will delete if the container is deleted.

14:50:34 <Ashok> B

Ashok Malhotra: B

14:50:37 <nmihindu> A

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: A

14:50:40 <TallTed> A +0.5  B +1.0  C -1.0

Ted Thibodeau: A +0.5 B +1.0 C -1.0

14:50:54 <AndyS>  Currently: A

Andy Seaborne: Currently: A

14:51:07 <JohnArwe> +1, +0, -0.5

John Arwe: +1, +0, -0.5

14:51:33 <svillata> Arnaud: A also implies we do not do a recursive deletion automatically

Arnaud Le Hors: A also implies we do not do a recursive deletion automatically

14:51:43 <krp> +0.8 A

Kevin Page: +0.8 A

14:51:44 <sergio>  A: +1, B: -0.5, C: -1

Sergio Fernández: A: +1, B: -0.5, C: -1

14:51:45 <svillata> ... we have two different delete operations

... we have two different delete operations

14:51:57 <svillata> ... there are also other options we can invent

... there are also other options we can invent

14:52:05 <sergio> q?

Sergio Fernández: q?

14:52:14 <svillata> ... Does anybody object to option A?

... Does anybody object to option A?

14:52:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:52:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed should no longer be muted

14:53:41 <Zakim> -AndyS

Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS

14:53:44 <sergio> bye AndyS

Sergio Fernández: bye AndyS

14:54:31 <svillata> Arnaud: personally I prefer option B, it addresses the main issue

Arnaud Le Hors: personally I prefer option B, it addresses the main issue

14:54:48 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me

14:54:48 <Zakim> TallTed was not muted, TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: TallTed was not muted, TallTed

14:54:53 <bblfish>  A: 0 B: +1.0 C

Henry Story: A: 0 B: +1.0 C

14:55:21 <svillata> q?

q?

14:55:42 <Arnaud> ack sergio

Arnaud Le Hors: ack sergio

14:56:19 <svillata> sergio: we should do the same as for the resources

Sergio Fernández: we should do the same as for the resources

14:57:15 <svillata> Arnaud: objections to option A?

Arnaud Le Hors: objections to option A?

14:57:29 <Arnaud> proposal: close issue-59, with option A

PROPOSED: close ISSUE-59, with option A

14:57:34 <stevebattle> +1

Steve Battle: +1

14:57:37 <roger> +1

Roger Menday: +1

14:57:38 <svillata> +1

+1

14:57:41 <cody> +1

Cody Burleson: +1

14:57:41 <pchampin> +1

Pierre-Antoine Champin: +1

14:57:42 <JohnArwe> +1

John Arwe: +1

14:57:44 <sergio> +1 amending 3rd point

Sergio Fernández: +1 amending 3rd point

14:58:02 <sandro> +1

Sandro Hawke: +1

14:58:04 <nmihindu> +1

Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1

14:58:14 <TallTed> +0

Ted Thibodeau: +0

14:58:18 <svillata> Arnaud: we can do something more robust in the future, as TallTed says

Arnaud Le Hors: we can do something more robust in the future, as TallTed says

14:58:21 <rgarcia> +1

Raúl García Castro: +1

14:58:39 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:58:56 <svillata> close Issue-59

close ISSUE-59

14:58:56 <trackbot> Closed ISSUE-59 Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-59 Reconsider usage of Aggregate/Composite construct to get predictable container delete behavior.

14:59:02 <mielvds1> +1

Miel Vander Sande: +1

14:59:42 <Arnaud> resolved: Close issue-59, with option A

RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-59, with option A

15:00:42 <stevebattle> bye

Steve Battle: bye

15:00:43 <Zakim> -bblfish

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15:00:48 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra

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15:01:45 <svillata> bye

bye

15:01:45 <Zakim> -cody

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15:01:47 <Zakim> -TallTed

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15:01:48 <Zakim> -JohnArwe

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15:01:49 <Zakim> -krp

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15:01:50 <Zakim> -roger

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15:01:50 <Zakim> -SteveBattle

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15:01:51 <Zakim> -sergio

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15:01:51 <Zakim> -svillata

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15:01:51 <Zakim> -rgarcia

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15:01:52 <Zakim> -mielvds1

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15:01:54 <Zakim> -Arnaud

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15:01:55 <Zakim> -nmihindu

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15:01:55 <Zakim> -pchampin

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15:01:57 <Zakim> -Yves

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15:03:59 <Zakim> -Sandro

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15:09:00 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

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Zakim IRC Bot: disconnecting the lone participant, krp, in SW_LDP()10:00AM

15:09:02 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended

15:09:02 <Zakim> Attendees were SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, AndyS, bblfish, nmihindu, roger, svillata, TallTed,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were SteveBattle, Sandro, pchampin, cody, JohnArwe, +329331aaaa, Arnaud, mielvds1, rgarcia, Ashok_Malhotra, sergio, AndyS, bblfish, nmihindu, roger, svillata, TallTed,

15:09:02 <Zakim> ... Yves, krp

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves, krp



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