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14:52:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
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14:52:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:52:53 <trackbot> Date: 21 January 2013
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14:56:11 <Ashok> zakim, code?
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15:04:47 <bblfish> hi
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15:04:55 <sergio> I'm out of the office using sip
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15:07:24 <JohnArwe> scribe: JohnArwe
(Scribe set to John Arwe)
<JohnArwe> Topic: Minutes of January 14
15:07:36 <JohnArwe> PROPOSED: accept minutes Jan 14
PROPOSED: accept minutes Jan 14 ←
15:07:39 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
15:07:42 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:08:27 <JohnArwe> RESOLVED: minutes of Jan 14 approved without objection
RESOLVED: minutes of Jan 14 approved without objection ←
15:08:46 <JohnArwe> topic: Actions/issues
<JohnArwe> subTopic: Actions pending review
<JohnArwe> ACTION-27
15:09:04 <bblfish> what action?
Henry Story: what action? ←
15:09:14 <bblfish> ISSUE-25?
15:09:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-25 -- Weak aggregation and strong composition in containers -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-25 -- Weak aggregation and strong composition in containers -- closed ←
15:09:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/25
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/25 ←
15:10:22 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: how to proceed to close?
Arnaud Le Hors: how to proceed to close? ←
<JohnArwe> SteveS: propose close action now, raise new issues if disagree.
Steve Speicher: propose close action now, raise new issues if disagree. ←
15:10:30 <cygri> zakim, kalpa is with me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, kalpa is with me ←
15:10:30 <Zakim> +kalpa; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kalpa; got it ←
15:10:30 <JohnArwe> RESOLVED: Close action-27
15:11:06 <JohnArwe> zero issues pending review.
zero issues pending review. ←
15:11:13 <JohnArwe> subTOPIC: Raised issues
15:11:25 <JohnArwe> issue-45?
15:11:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-45 -- POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource -- raised
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-45 -- POSTing to an LDPR appends content to the resource -- raised ←
15:11:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/45
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/45 ←
15:11:38 <bblfish> eu we can close ACTION-28
Henry Story: eu we can close ACTION-28 ←
15:11:52 <stevebattle> A LDPC is defined to be an LDPR
Steve Battle: A LDPC is defined to be an LDPR ←
15:12:13 <stevebattle> Isn't this issue ambiguous?
Steve Battle: Isn't this issue ambiguous? ←
15:13:33 <JohnArwe> Henry, what did your 'eu' mean?
Henry, what did your 'eu' mean? ←
15:13:36 <stevebattle> OK
Steve Battle: OK ←
15:13:44 <bblfish> I don't think an LDPR is a subclass of LDPC
Henry Story: I don't think an LDPR is a subclass of LDPC ←
15:13:54 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:14:03 <bblfish> ah
Henry Story: ah ←
15:14:04 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:14:30 <JohnArwe> henry, you made a comment in irc about action 28 that I did not understand.
henry, you made a comment in irc about ACTION-28 that I did not understand. ←
15:14:41 <JohnArwe> PROPOSED: open issue-45
15:14:43 <SteveS> Arnaud: LDPC is a subclass of an LDPR, where POST could be over written
Arnaud Le Hors: LDPC is a subclass of an LDPR, where POST could be over written [ Scribe Assist by Steve Speicher ] ←
15:14:46 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:15:05 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: hearing no disagreement
Arnaud Le Hors: hearing no disagreement ←
15:15:11 <bblfish> Me I think I probably disagree also that an LDPC is an LDPR ...
Henry Story: Me I think I probably disagree also that an LDPC is an LDPR ... ←
15:15:12 <JohnArwe> RESOLVED: open issue-45
15:15:17 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:15:23 <bblfish> can I close http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/28
Henry Story: can I close http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/28 ←
<JohnArwe> subTopic: ACTION-28
15:15:41 <bblfish> ACTION-28?
15:15:41 <trackbot> ACTION-28 -- Henry Story to access Control: fill in use cases and requirements and Identity section -- due 2012-11-21 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-28 -- Henry Story to access Control: fill in use cases and requirements and Identity section -- due 2012-11-21 -- OPEN ←
15:15:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/28
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/28 ←
15:15:53 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:16:39 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:16:40 <stevebattle> SteveS, would you like to talk about where we are on UC&R in a moment (I have no info)?
Steve Battle: SteveS, would you like to talk about where we are on UC&R in a moment (I have no info)? ←
15:16:42 <Arnaud> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
15:16:51 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:17:45 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:18:15 <SteveS> stevebattle, sure….I really don't think it is in anyone's queue (not sure why)
Steve Speicher: stevebattle, sure….I really don't think it is in anyone's queue (not sure why) ←
15:19:39 <bblfish> q-
Henry Story: q- ←
15:19:40 <JohnArwe> ashok and henry to discuss action-28 and figure out what more to add to page
ashok and henry to discuss ACTION-28 and figure out what more to add to page ←
15:19:56 <JohnArwe> TOPIC: Use Case and Requirements Draft
15:20:15 <JohnArwe> SteveS: not clear whose publication queue it is in
Steve Speicher: not clear whose publication queue it is in ←
15:21:13 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: Staff contacts (Yves) can you check on status? As far as editors know all issues were addressed and we were expecting it to be published by now.
Arnaud Le Hors: Staff contacts (Yves) can you check on status? As far as editors know all issues were addressed and we were expecting it to be published by now. ←
15:21:31 <JohnArwe> TOPIC: LDP Spec
15:22:17 <JohnArwe> SteveS: inserted all new open issues since F2F, removed closed/handled ones, so (sans issue 45) the editor's draft reflects all open issues.
Steve Speicher: inserted all new open issues since F2F, removed closed/handled ones, so (sans ISSUE-45) the editor's draft reflects all open issues. ←
<JohnArwe> Topic: Open Issues
15:23:16 <JohnArwe> subTOPIC: Issue 37 (The Model)
15:23:18 <bblfish> ISSUE-37?
15:23:18 <trackbot> ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-37 -- What is the LDP data model and the LDP interaction model? -- open ←
15:23:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/37 ←
15:23:29 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:24:30 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:24:59 <JohnArwe> Henry: we don't have an ontology, should we open an issue to create one so we can 'argue' more effectively about proposals?
Henry Story: we don't have an ontology, should we open an issue to create one so we can 'argue' more effectively about proposals? ←
15:25:04 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:25:18 <stevebattle> I agree (ontology) - just informally on the wiki - not OWL or anything right now.
Steve Battle: I agree (ontology) - just informally on the wiki - not OWL or anything right now. ←
15:25:58 <cygri> +1 to starting with prose
Richard Cyganiak: +1 to starting with prose ←
15:26:01 <sergio> +1
Sergio Fernández: +1 ←
15:26:24 <sergio> formal ontology/vocabulary later
Sergio Fernández: formal ontology/vocabulary later ←
15:27:21 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: wiki will seed, not a substitute for formalism
Arnaud Le Hors: wiki will seed, not a substitute for formalism ←
15:27:47 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:28:11 <Kalpa> +1 for ontology
Kalpa Gunaratna: +1 for ontology ←
15:29:05 <JohnArwe> SteveS: Submission did include an ontology. Need to be careful of not having 2 copies evolving in parallel and generating confusiong b/c they do not align.
Steve Speicher: Submission did include an ontology. Need to be careful of not having 2 copies evolving in parallel and generating confusiong b/c they do not align. ←
15:29:57 <bblfish> I'll put up the ontology
Henry Story: I'll put up the ontology ←
15:30:00 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: avoid creating more pages/more places to monitor - be sure they are really needed
Arnaud Le Hors: avoid creating more pages/more places to monitor - be sure they are really needed ←
15:30:43 <stevebattle> Shall we review by editing the wiki, or via email?
Steve Battle: Shall we review by editing the wiki, or via email? ←
15:31:10 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: members should being reviewing issue 37 wiki page http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37#Linked_Data_Platform and discuss on mailing list so next week we can make progress
Arnaud Le Hors: members should being reviewing ISSUE-37 wiki page ISSUE-37#Linked_Data_Platform">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-37#Linked_Data_Platform and discuss on mailing list so next week we can make progress ←
15:32:26 <stevebattle> Yes
Steve Battle: Yes ←
15:33:57 <JohnArwe> JohnArwe: as discussions occur, who is going to keep wiki page aligned with email stream?
John Arwe: as discussions occur, who is going to keep wiki page aligned with email stream? ←
15:34:23 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: we'll figure that out as we go, the default would be Erik but others can update
Arnaud Le Hors: we'll figure that out as we go, the default would be Erik but others can update ←
15:34:42 <JohnArwe> erik: as various aspects are agreed on, should move into spec
Erik Wilde: as various aspects are agreed on, should move into spec ←
15:35:01 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:35:13 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: agree; trying to get people to come in prepped next week so we can start assessing agreement on each aspect
Arnaud Le Hors: agree; trying to get people to come in prepped next week so we can start assessing agreement on each aspect ←
15:36:06 <JohnArwe> Steves: you said something we all agree on; I thought we were adding alternatives. What is the relationship between working through things on that page vs closing issue 37?
Steve Speicher: you said something we all agree on; I thought we were adding alternatives. What is the relationship between working through things on that page vs closing ISSUE-37? ←
15:36:47 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: if we agree on everything on the page, we can close the issue. we need to get people's opinions reflected on the page in order to make progress.
Arnaud Le Hors: if we agree on everything on the page, we can close the issue. we need to get people's opinions reflected on the page in order to make progress. ←
15:36:58 <sergio> ISSUE-34?
15:36:58 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open ←
15:36:58 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 ←
15:37:29 <JohnArwe> subTOPIC: Issue 34
15:37:38 <bblfish> Issue-34?
15:37:38 <trackbot> ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-34 -- Adding and removing arcs in weak aggregation -- open ←
15:37:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/34 ←
15:38:54 <SteveS> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34
Steve Speicher: ISSUE-34">http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/ISSUE-34 ←
15:40:05 <JohnArwe> SteveS: JohnArwe constructed page, Henry has one child, Roger has a second, email traffic.
Steve Speicher: JohnArwe constructed page, Henry has one child, Roger has a second, email traffic. ←
15:41:21 <JohnArwe> Henry: my proposal is compatible with the existing spec I think. I do not see it as different from the spec as it exists today; perhaps we could add an Aggregation class.
Henry Story: my proposal is compatible with the existing spec I think. I do not see it as different from the spec as it exists today; perhaps we could add an Aggregation class. ←
15:41:58 <JohnArwe> ... in the process of answering questions I added a bunch of relations, saw that this was ballooning the spec, did not like that, and worked to reduce it back to a minimum.
... in the process of answering questions I added a bunch of relations, saw that this was ballooning the spec, did not like that, and worked to reduce it back to a minimum. ←
15:42:01 <Zakim> -EricP
Zakim IRC Bot: -EricP ←
15:42:28 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
15:43:12 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: that's interesting, did not get that from the discussion. So if it's true that aggregation represents just a way of using the existing spec, then we'd have to figure out where to say that.
Arnaud Le Hors: that's interesting, did not get that from the discussion. So if it's true that aggregation represents just a way of using the existing spec, then we'd have to figure out where to say that. ←
15:43:50 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: Roger's proposal looks "more different" then, since I think he wants to add a lot more to the spec.
Arnaud Le Hors: Roger's proposal looks "more different" then, since I think he wants to add a lot more to the spec. ←
15:44:27 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:44:59 <JohnArwe> Roger: I think LDP is very general, and if we want uptake need to think about how to address those scenarios. Am I alone in thinking LDP is very general and useful? Use case document seemed to have what I was looking for.
Roger Menday: I think LDP is very general, and if we want uptake need to think about how to address those scenarios. Am I alone in thinking LDP is very general and useful? Use case document seemed to have what I was looking for. ←
15:45:08 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:45:12 <stevebattle> You have my sympathies :)
Steve Battle: You have my sympathies :) ←
15:46:17 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:46:19 <JohnArwe> SteveS: agree with broader sense, not sure if we agree on how much is reasonable for 2013 scope. Get something with value out sooner, and add later.
Steve Speicher: agree with broader sense, not sure if we agree on how much is reasonable for 2013 scope. Get something with value out sooner, and add later. ←
15:47:49 <JohnArwe> Henry: aggregation and containment, one would have to go through Roger's example and see if can be done using Henry's (my) proposal. If we assume the "not issue 34" pieces of Roger's example are possible, is there anything in the example that cannot be done?
Henry Story: aggregation and containment, one would have to go through Roger's example and see if can be done using Henry's (my) proposal. If we assume the "not ISSUE-34" pieces of Roger's example are possible, is there anything in the example that cannot be done? ←
15:48:21 <stevebattle> I imagine that the LDP can be used to pass messages and invoke services in the way that Roger desires by using it as a kind of drop-box. I don't see that it requires additional machinery in the LDP.
Steve Battle: I imagine that the LDP can be used to pass messages and invoke services in the way that Roger desires by using it as a kind of drop-box. I don't see that it requires additional machinery in the LDP. ←
15:49:43 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:49:58 <JohnArwe> Roger: appears with your proposal you're adding more than is needed. I'm imagining you're just editing triples; aggregation is normal linked data. Your proposal seemed to have containment, aggregation, and then something else (latter covered by posting generic RDF). That's too unconstrained for the uses we're targeting.
Roger Menday: appears with your proposal you're adding more than is needed. I'm imagining you're just editing triples; aggregation is normal linked data. Your proposal seemed to have containment, aggregation, and then something else (latter covered by posting generic RDF). That's too unconstrained for the uses we're targeting. ←
15:50:34 <JohnArwe> Henry: my example was perhaps in need of improvement.
Henry Story: my example was perhaps in need of improvement. ←
15:51:06 <JohnArwe> Roger: thought bug tracker example would be a good one to evaluate the proposals against
Roger Menday: thought bug tracker example would be a good one to evaluate the proposals against ←
15:51:11 <stevebattle> Can we take scenarios from the UC&R?
Steve Battle: Can we take scenarios from the UC&R? ←
15:53:42 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: existing example (friends/enemies) showed me there was a clear difference in understanding. At F2F we agreed Container does something very special - deleting all members when the container is removed. The friends/enemies example it's just another link to add a friend, you said we needed behavior there too (validation that the linked to resource is a Friend). If it's validation, that's different than aggr.
Arnaud Le Hors: existing example (friends/enemies) showed me there was a clear difference in understanding. At F2F we agreed Container does something very special - deleting all members when the container is removed. The friends/enemies example it's just another link to add a friend, you said we needed behavior there too (validation that the linked to resource is a Friend). If it's validation, that's different than aggr. ←
15:55:08 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:55:34 <JohnArwe> SteveB: you come to LDPR, it tells you about a few interesting predicates (domain specific) that you can build up/change in order to impl your app. Validation is not the central issue, it's how the client discovers from the server what it can do.
Steve Battle: you come to LDPR, it tells you about a few interesting predicates (domain specific) that you can build up/change in order to impl your app. Validation is not the central issue, it's how the client discovers from the server what it can do. ←
15:55:34 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:56:16 <stevebattle> Dare I say it, Roger - you want the available speech acts to be documented.
Steve Battle: Dare I say it, Roger - you want the available speech acts to be documented. ←
15:56:38 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
15:56:41 <bblfish> oops
Henry Story: oops ←
15:56:47 <bblfish> my skype cut me off
Henry Story: my skype cut me off ←
15:56:49 <JohnArwe> Henry: that would be a different issue - how describe what types appear in collection, what types you can create, you can use ontologies
Henry Story: that would be a different issue - how describe what types appear in collection, what types you can create, you can use ontologies ←
15:57:38 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:58:00 <JohnArwe> SteveB: need more dynamic, not static membership criteria; we concluded properties better than classes.
Steve Battle: need more dynamic, not static membership criteria; we concluded properties better than classes. ←
15:58:10 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:59:02 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
15:59:33 <Zakim> -dret
Zakim IRC Bot: -dret ←
15:59:35 <Arnaud> ack bart
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bart ←
15:59:36 <BartvanLeeuwen> q-
Bart van Leeuwen: q- ←
15:59:39 <JohnArwe> Henry: gives examples of possible graph types, described by vocab that client knows. there's also some vocab about buying things. but those are not obviously the same as aggr
Henry Story: gives examples of possible graph types, described by vocab that client knows. there's also some vocab about buying things. but those are not obviously the same as aggr ←
16:00:47 <JohnArwe> Roger: spreads out beyond issue 34, scope creep, issues are wider.
Roger Menday: spreads out beyond ISSUE-34, scope creep, issues are wider. ←
16:01:22 <SteveS> I believe we need to doing something in the spec for aggregation
Steve Speicher: I believe we need to doing something in the spec for aggregation ←
16:01:33 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
16:02:05 <JohnArwe> Arnaud: slowing getting to pt where we think we don't need to do anything special about aggr, might add text somewhere along the lines of what Henry says, otherw I may propose soon to accept what Henry's discussion comes up with.
Arnaud Le Hors: slowing getting to pt where we think we don't need to do anything special about aggr, might add text somewhere along the lines of what Henry says, otherw I may propose soon to accept what Henry's discussion comes up with. ←
16:02:30 <JohnArwe> ...suspect issue 34 resolution becomes we don't need to do anything more (no spec change)
...suspect ISSUE-34 resolution becomes we don't need to do anything more (no spec change) ←
16:02:44 <JohnArwe> ...really comes out as other issues like paging
...really comes out as other issues like paging ←
16:02:50 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
16:02:57 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
16:03:00 <stevebattle> Thanks, bye.
Steve Battle: Thanks, bye. ←
16:03:00 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
16:03:04 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
16:03:04 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx Arnaud
Bart van Leeuwen: thx Arnaud ←
16:03:04 <sergio> bye
Sergio Fernández: bye ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> -roger
Zakim IRC Bot: -roger ←
16:03:05 <Zakim> -rgarcia
Zakim IRC Bot: -rgarcia ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> -Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: -Arnaud ←
16:03:07 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:03:08 <Zakim> -JohnArwe
Zakim IRC Bot: -JohnArwe ←
16:03:09 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
16:03:11 <Zakim> -sergio
Zakim IRC Bot: -sergio ←
16:03:13 <Zakim> -ericP
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericP ←
16:03:14 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveBattle ←
16:03:16 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended ←
16:03:16 <Zakim> Attendees were Ruben, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Arnaud, bblfish, SteveS, rgarcia, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, roger, dret, sergio, Yves, kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Ruben, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveBattle, EricP, Arnaud, bblfish, SteveS, rgarcia, JohnArwe, BartvanLeeuwen, cygri, roger, dret, sergio, Yves, kalpa ←
16:03:36 <JohnArwe> Arnaud, so you take the minutes from here right?
Arnaud, so you take the minutes from here right? ←
16:04:02 <bblfish> bye
Henry Story: bye ←
16:19:38 <Arnaud> johnarwe, yes I will
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Arnaud Le Hors: johnarwe, yes I will ←
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