14:57:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-irc
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14:57:53 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:57:55 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be LDP ←
14:57:55 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see SW_LDP()10:00AM already started
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14:57:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
14:57:56 <trackbot> Date: 17 December 2012
14:58:08 <Ruben1> zakim, who is here?
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is here? ←
14:58:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +329331aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +329331aaaa ←
14:58:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ruben1, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves ←
14:58:15 <Ruben1> Zakim, aaaa is me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:58:15 <Zakim> +Ruben1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben1; got it ←
14:58:34 <Ruben> Zakim, aaaa is me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, aaaa is me ←
14:58:34 <Zakim> sorry, Ruben, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, Ruben, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa' ←
14:58:35 <Zakim> +[GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[GVoice] ←
14:58:41 <Ruben> Zakim, who is here?
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, who is here? ←
14:58:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben1, [GVoice]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben1, [GVoice] ←
14:58:42 <ericP> Zakim, [GVoice] is me
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, [GVoice] is me ←
14:58:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, AndyS, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, Yves ←
14:58:43 <Zakim> +ericP; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it ←
14:58:46 <Ruben> Zakim, Ruben1 is me
Ruben Verborgh: Zakim, Ruben1 is me ←
14:58:46 <Zakim> +Ruben; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ruben; got it ←
14:58:48 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
14:58:55 <Ruben> zakim, who is noisy?
Ruben Verborgh: zakim, who is noisy? ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds
Zakim IRC Bot: Ruben, listening for 10 seconds I could not identify any sounds ←
14:59:12 <Zakim> +??P9
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P9 ←
14:59:17 <antonis> zakim, ??p8 is me
Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??p8 is me ←
14:59:17 <Zakim> +antonis; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it ←
14:59:25 <deiu> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
14:59:25 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
14:59:29 <deiu> Zakim, mute me please
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me please ←
14:59:29 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
14:59:52 <Zakim> +Arnaud
Zakim IRC Bot: +Arnaud ←
15:00:38 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software ←
15:00:45 <Zakim> +SteveBattle
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveBattle ←
15:00:50 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me ←
15:00:50 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:00:51 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:51 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:01:20 <Zakim> +bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: +bblfish ←
15:01:21 <Ruben> who's talking now?
Ruben Verborgh: who's talking now? ←
15:01:22 <MacTed> ericP - is totally broken up
Ted Thibodeau: ericP - is totally broken up ←
15:01:35 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ashok_Malhotra ←
15:01:45 <bblfish> hi
Henry Story: hi ←
15:01:58 <Zakim> +[IBM]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IBM] ←
15:01:59 <Ashok> Hi
Ashok Malhotra: Hi ←
15:02:07 <SteveS> zakim, [IBM] is me
Steve Speicher: zakim, [IBM] is me ←
15:02:07 <Zakim> +SteveS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SteveS; got it ←
15:02:15 <Zakim> +Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yves ←
15:02:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:02:29 <Zakim> +??P22
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P22 ←
15:02:32 <AndyS> zakim, IPCaller is me
Andy Seaborne: zakim, IPCaller is me ←
15:02:32 <Zakim> +AndyS; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +AndyS; got it ←
15:02:44 <raul> zakim, ??P22 is me
Raúl García Castro: zakim, ??P22 is me ←
15:02:44 <Zakim> +raul; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +raul; got it ←
15:02:58 <Arnaud> zakim, who's there?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's there? ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, Arnaud.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, Arnaud. ←
15:03:06 <Arnaud> zakim, who's here?
Arnaud Le Hors: zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ruben, ericP, antonis, deiu (muted), Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveBattle, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Ruben, ericP, antonis, deiu (muted), Arnaud, MacTed (muted), SteveBattle, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul ←
15:03:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see AndyS, raul, Ashok, Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see AndyS, raul, Ashok, Ruben, antonis, Zakim, RRSAgent, stevebattle2, deiu, MacTed, bhyland, jmvanel, betehess, SteveS, bblfish, oberger, Arnaud, trackbot, ericP, sandro, ←
15:03:08 <Zakim> ... Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: ... Yves ←
15:03:38 <SteveS> zakim, who should scribe?
Steve Speicher: zakim, who should scribe? ←
15:03:38 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SteveS.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, SteveS. ←
15:03:43 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, unmute me ←
15:03:43 <Zakim> MacTed should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should no longer be muted ←
15:04:01 <MacTed> scribenick: MacTed
(Scribe set to Ted Thibodeau)
15:04:17 <stevebattle2> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:04:20 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:04:21 <antonis> +1
Antonis Loizou: +1 ←
15:04:22 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:04:23 <MacTed> PROPOSED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10
PROPOSED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10 ←
15:04:29 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:04:32 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:04:38 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:04:45 <krp> zakim, ??P34 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P34 is me ←
15:04:45 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:05:03 <MacTed> RESOLVED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10
RESOLVED: approve minutes of 2012-12-10 ←
15:05:17 <MacTed> TOPIC: Open Actions
15:05:42 <SteveS> action-17?
<MacTed> Arnaud: SteveS suggested we can now close action-17, asked Stevebattle to confirm
Arnaud Le Hors: SteveS suggested we can now close ACTION-17, asked Stevebattle to confirm ←
<MacTed> stevebattle: yes, we can close it
Steve Battle: yes, we can close it ←
15:05:42 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN ←
15:05:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17 ←
15:05:42 <MacTed> action-17?
15:05:42 <trackbot> ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 -- Steve Battle to prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document -- due 2012-10-29 -- OPEN ←
15:05:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/17 ←
15:06:01 <bblfish> we are looking at open actions http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/open
Henry Story: we are looking at open actions http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/open ←
15:06:08 <Zakim> +rogerm
Zakim IRC Bot: +rogerm ←
15:06:26 <MacTed> close action-17
15:06:26 <trackbot> ACTION-17 Prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-17 Prepare first draft of the Use Cases and Requirements Document closed ←
15:06:59 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:06:59 <MacTed> TOPIC: Issues Pending Review
15:07:06 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:07:10 <bblfish> looking at issues: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/
Henry Story: looking at issues: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/ ←
15:07:21 <bblfish> especially http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/pendingreview
Henry Story: especially http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/pendingreview ←
<MacTed> Arnaud: we'll talk about issue-5 later
Arnaud Le Hors: we'll talk about ISSUE-5 later ←
15:07:33 <MacTed> issue-41?
15:07:33 <trackbot> ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-41 -- Standard way to manage members with attachments -- pending review ←
15:07:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/41 ←
<MacTed> Arnaud: waiting to hear back from John, we'll leave it as is for now
Arnaud Le Hors: waiting to hear back from John, we'll leave it as is for now ←
15:07:52 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:08:07 <krp> zakim, ??P2 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:08:07 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:08:19 <Zakim> +??P34
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34 ←
15:08:45 <nmihindu> zakim, ??P34 is me
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: zakim, ??P34 is me ←
15:08:45 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +nmihindu; got it ←
15:08:50 <MacTed> TOPIC: FPWD of UCR - http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements
15:09:05 <Zakim> -??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P1 ←
15:09:08 <SteveS> Updated at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html
Steve Speicher: Updated at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←
15:09:09 <Zakim> + +1.631.444.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.631.444.aabb ←
15:09:23 <Zakim> - +1.631.444.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.631.444.aabb ←
15:09:34 <roger> zakim, ??P1 is me
Roger Menday: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:09:34 <Zakim> I already had ??P1 as ??P1, roger
Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P1 as ??P1, roger ←
15:09:56 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:10:25 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:10:29 <MacTed> s/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/wiki\/Use_Cases_And_Requirements/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/hg\/ldp-ucr.html/
s/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/wiki\/Use_Cases_And_Requirements/http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2012\/ldp\/hg\/ldp-ucr.html/ (warning: replacement failed) ←
15:10:46 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:10:58 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:11:58 <stevebattle2> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:12:11 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
15:12:50 <MacTed> ( discussion about publication timing, moratoriums, etc. )
( discussion about publication timing, moratoriums, etc. ) ←
15:13:08 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft
PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft ←
15:13:15 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
15:13:15 <stevebattle2> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:13:16 <Yves> +1
Yves Lafon: +1 ←
15:13:17 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:13:18 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:13:21 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:13:21 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
15:13:29 <MacTed> PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html
PROPOSED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←
15:13:29 <MacTed> +1
+1 ←
15:13:30 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:13:33 <Ruben> +1
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←
15:13:36 <AndyS> +1
Andy Seaborne: +1 ←
15:13:36 <Yves> I got confirmation that next round of publication will be jan 3rd
Yves Lafon: I got confirmation that next round of publication will be jan 3rd ←
15:13:45 <raul> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
15:13:46 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:14:02 <ericP> note that the SOTD proposed last week indicated that it's not in a final state
Eric Prud'hommeaux: note that the SOTD proposed last week indicated that it's not in a final state ←
15:14:03 <MacTed> RESOLVED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html
RESOLVED: publish current UCR draft as First Public Working Draft, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp-ucr.html ←
15:14:09 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-10#line0197 last week's proposed SOTD
Eric Prud'hommeaux: -> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-12-10#line0197 last week's proposed SOTD ←
15:14:21 <Zakim> -??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P2 ←
15:14:52 <ericP> +1 to giving SteveS jurisdiction over the wiki page
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to giving SteveS jurisdiction over the wiki page ←
15:14:59 <MacTed> stevebattle2: suggests we remove the deprecated content from wiki
Steve Speicher: suggests we remove the deprecated content from wiki ←
15:15:01 <Zakim> +??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2 ←
15:15:01 <ericP> ... to corrupt as he sees fit
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ... to corrupt as he sees fit ←
15:15:07 <MacTed> Zakim, unmute me
Zakim, unmute me ←
15:15:07 <Zakim> MacTed was not muted, MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed was not muted, MacTed ←
15:15:25 <stevebattle2> s/stevebattle2/SteveS/
15:15:27 <bblfish> I think it make sense to remove the content and link to the spec
Henry Story: I think it make sense to remove the content and link to the spec ←
15:15:57 <krp> zakim, ??P2 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P2 is me ←
15:15:57 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:16:14 <ericP> the OWL WG used a schema that Sandro concocted to publish directly from wiki.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the OWL WG used a schema that Sandro concocted to publish directly from wiki. ←
15:16:31 <stevebattle2> We don't want the wiki content to drift away from the published content
Steve Battle: We don't want the wiki content to drift away from the published content ←
15:16:41 <MacTed> +1
+1 ←
15:16:53 <ericP> if we're not going to use such a system, and the authors want to work from resepc, yes, avoid confusion by nulling the page
Eric Prud'hommeaux: if we're not going to use such a system, and the authors want to work from resepc, yes, avoid confusion by nulling the page ←
15:16:53 <bblfish> should one have a Proposal?
Henry Story: should one have a Proposal? ←
15:17:07 <Yves> +1 to ericP
Yves Lafon: +1 to ericP ←
15:17:16 <MacTed> PROPOSED: wipe out wiki content of this page, leaving only in hg/respec
PROPOSED: wipe out wiki content of this page, leaving only in hg/respec ←
15:17:23 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
15:17:25 <antonis> +1
Antonis Loizou: +1 ←
15:17:26 <ericP> +1 to Yves's +1 of ericP
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 to Yves's +1 of ericP ←
15:17:26 <stevebattle2> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
15:17:27 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
15:17:27 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
15:17:28 <Yves> +1
Yves Lafon: +1 ←
15:17:28 <Ruben> +1 ok
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ok ←
15:17:28 <krp> +1
Kevin Page: +1 ←
15:17:31 <nmihindu> +1
Nandana Mihindukulasooriya: +1 ←
15:17:31 <ericP> +1
Eric Prud'hommeaux: +1 ←
15:17:42 <SteveS> +1 will put "previous version" link to be something like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases_And_Requirements&diff=1678&oldid=1676
Steve Speicher: +1 will put "previous version" link to be something like http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/index.php?title=Use_Cases_And_Requirements&diff=1678&oldid=1676 ←
15:17:48 <MacTed> RESOLVED: wipe out wiki content of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements , leaving only in hg/respec
RESOLVED: wipe out wiki content of http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements , leaving only in hg/respec ←
15:18:04 <stevebattle2> woohoo
Steve Battle: woohoo ←
15:18:20 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:18:29 <MacTed> TOPIC: editor's draft of LDP spec, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/hg/ldp.html
15:19:12 <Zakim> +Kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: +Kalpa ←
15:19:17 <MacTed> SteveS: LDP spec remains as it was, now that the UCR is out will have more time to focus on the spec
Steve Speicher: LDP spec remains as it was, now that the UCR is out will have more time to focus on the spec ←
15:19:33 <MacTed> TOPIC: Discussion of Open Issues
15:19:55 <Zakim> +??P40
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P40 ←
<MacTed> subtopic: LDP Model
15:20:08 <MacTed> Arnaud: mailing list discussion suggested we clear up some pieces of LDP model before moving to other specific issues
Arnaud Le Hors: mailing list discussion suggested we clear up some pieces of LDP model before moving to other specific issues ←
15:20:10 <krp> zakim, ??P40 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P40 is me ←
15:20:10 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:20:17 <MacTed> ... particular concerns over container modeling
... particular concerns over container modeling ←
15:21:03 <MacTed> ... Lyon F2F concluded there were 2 possible models -- aggregation (weak) and composition (strong)
... Lyon F2F concluded there were 2 possible models -- aggregation (weak) and composition (strong) ←
15:22:05 <MacTed> ... composition requires something special from server -- one HTTP DELETE on container means that server must also delete all members
... composition requires something special from server -- one HTTP DELETE on container means that server must also delete all members ←
15:22:34 <MacTed> ... aggregation requires nothing special from server
... aggregation requires nothing special from server ←
15:23:05 <MacTed> ... Lyon F2F concluded that spec should only discuss composition model
... Lyon F2F concluded that spec should only discuss composition model ←
15:23:11 <Ashok> q+
Ashok Malhotra: q+ ←
15:23:24 <MacTed> ... if WG members want aggregation model as well, need proposal of such
... if WG members want aggregation model as well, need proposal of such ←
15:23:36 <Arnaud> ack ashok
Arnaud Le Hors: ack ashok ←
15:23:37 <bblfish> +1 Arnaud makes a good summary of the composition problem
Henry Story: +1 Arnaud makes a good summary of the composition problem ←
15:23:50 <stevebattle2> Nice concise summary of the issues, Arnaud
Steve Battle: Nice concise summary of the issues, Arnaud ←
15:24:11 <MacTed> Ashok: has figured out AtomPub model, and believes this is what Erik wants adopted
Ashok Malhotra: has figured out AtomPub model, and believes this is what Erik wants adopted ←
15:24:54 <MacTed> ... for aggregation, you put a link into the container. when the container goes away, the links go away, but the linked resource may remain or go away
... for aggregation, you put a link into the container. when the container goes away, the links go away, but the linked resource may remain or go away ←
15:24:57 <stevebattle2> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:25:55 <MacTed> Arnaud: doesn't think Erik is saying, do like AtomPub, but -- it would be useful to document LDP Model, and AtomPub documentation may be useful frame to start from
Arnaud Le Hors: doesn't think Erik is saying, do like AtomPub, but -- it would be useful to document LDP Model, and AtomPub documentation may be useful frame to start from ←
15:26:42 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
15:26:43 <MacTed> ... we don't have to do as AtomPub, but we have to address same questions/concerns
... we don't have to do as AtomPub, but we have to address same questions/concerns ←
15:27:14 <MacTed> stevebattle2: concurs with Arnaud's description of Erik's position
Steve Battle: concurs with Arnaud's description of Erik's position ←
15:27:33 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:27:33 <ericP> i think a more important discriminator is how much trouble will be caused by deleting resources 'cause they happen to be in containers
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think a more important discriminator is how much trouble will be caused by deleting resources 'cause they happen to be in containers ←
15:27:41 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:28:26 <MacTed> bblfish: it's better to start simple if we can. would be useful to know if anyone has implemented LDP as it stands.
Henry Story: it's better to start simple if we can. would be useful to know if anyone has implemented LDP as it stands. ←
15:29:02 <ericP> i think it's the use more than the implementation which will demonstrate the cost vs. benefits of deleting contained resources
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i think it's the use more than the implementation which will demonstrate the cost vs. benefits of deleting contained resources ←
15:29:12 <MacTed> Arnaud: at F2F, seemed like people wanted containers so they could do paging, but there are other ways to do paging...
Arnaud Le Hors: at F2F, seemed like people wanted containers so they could do paging, but there are other ways to do paging... ←
15:29:13 <krp> It was issue-33 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33
Kevin Page: It was ISSUE-33 http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/33 ←
15:29:23 <Zakim> -deiu
Zakim IRC Bot: -deiu ←
15:30:33 <MacTed> Ashok: agree that we need to spell it out, whether like AtomPub or otherwise
Ashok Malhotra: agree that we need to spell it out, whether like AtomPub or otherwise ←
15:30:42 <bblfish> q?
Henry Story: q? ←
15:30:43 <stevebattle2> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:30:51 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
15:31:14 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
15:31:14 <MacTed> stevebattle2: LDP will definitely allow aggregation via RDF. maybe we just need such a statement...
Steve Battle: LDP will definitely allow aggregation via RDF. maybe we just need such a statement... ←
15:31:27 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:31:33 <bblfish> +1 for the idea of having a section how to do aggregation using RDF
Henry Story: +1 for the idea of having a section how to do aggregation using RDF ←
15:31:47 <MacTed> MacTed: agrees that statement would be VERY important, as lacking it, it looks like composition is *all* that LDP permits...
Ted Thibodeau: agrees that statement would be VERY important, as lacking it, it looks like composition is *all* that LDP permits... ←
15:31:53 <Zakim> +??P40
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15:32:01 <Zakim> +??P9
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15:32:04 <krp> zakim, ??P40 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P40 is me ←
15:32:04 <Zakim> +krp; got it
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15:32:11 <deiu> Zakim, ??P9 is me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, ??P9 is me ←
15:32:11 <Zakim> +deiu; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deiu; got it ←
15:32:14 <deiu> Zakim, mute me
Andrei Sambra: Zakim, mute me ←
15:32:14 <Zakim> deiu should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: deiu should now be muted ←
15:32:35 <stevebattle2> But I wouldn't want to restrict people's creativity in using RDF in novel ways.
Steve Battle: But I wouldn't want to restrict people's creativity in using RDF in novel ways. ←
15:32:46 <AndyS> Has anyone tried inserting in to an RDf collection/container over HTTP? !
Andy Seaborne: Has anyone tried inserting in to an RDf collection/container over HTTP? ! ←
15:32:58 <ericP> Arnaud, has IBM seen need for deleting resources when deleting containers?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: Arnaud, has IBM seen need for deleting resources when deleting containers? ←
15:33:13 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:33:13 <stevebattle2> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:33:26 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
15:34:22 <MacTed> roger: aggregation is important. experience is that it's necessary, and it should be defined in LDP 1.0
Roger Menday: aggregation is important. experience is that it's necessary, and it should be defined in LDP 1.0 ←
15:34:23 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:34:35 <SteveS> ericP from what we do for tool integration, doesn't occur too often. Typically the client deletes each resource on its own, then removes the container.
Steve Speicher: ericP from what we do for tool integration, doesn't occur too often. Typically the client deletes each resource on its own, then removes the container. ←
15:35:16 <MacTed> bblfish: agrees that saying how aggregation is done with pure RDF is important, and then move on to what LDP's composition gives that simple RDF aggregation doesn't
Henry Story: agrees that saying how aggregation is done with pure RDF is important, and then move on to what LDP's composition gives that simple RDF aggregation doesn't ←
15:35:47 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
15:35:48 <MacTed> stevebattle2: responding to Ashok's mailing list proposal...
Steve Battle: responding to Ashok's mailing list proposal... ←
15:36:01 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:36:02 <MacTed> ... primary objection is that composition and aggregation are being confused by some people
... primary objection is that composition and aggregation are being confused by some people ←
15:36:19 <bblfish> I also mentioned that the arguments should come from use cases from which we can then argue
Henry Story: I also mentioned that the arguments should come from use cases from which we can then argue ←
15:36:38 <MacTed> ... wants a simple composition model, not to undermine that with lots of metadata
... wants a simple composition model, not to undermine that with lots of metadata ←
15:36:50 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:36:57 <ericP> SteveS, i take that as some evidence that the initial design should be for aggregation
Eric Prud'hommeaux: SteveS, i take that as some evidence that the initial design should be for aggregation ←
15:37:50 <MacTed> SteveS: would like issue proposals to be separated from agenda threads on mailing list...
Steve Speicher: would like issue proposals to be separated from agenda threads on mailing list... ←
15:38:05 <bblfish> I mean arguments for composition of containers should start from a use case and argue why that cannot be implemented without strong containers.
Henry Story: I mean arguments for composition of containers should start from a use case and argue why that cannot be implemented without strong containers. ←
15:38:53 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:39:05 <MacTed> Arnaud: maybe we should have a vote on Ashok's proposal? though I'd hope it would be a more complete formulation, not just a single property
Arnaud Le Hors: maybe we should have a vote on Ashok's proposal? though I'd hope it would be a more complete formulation, not just a single property ←
15:39:27 <MacTed> Ashok: if we implement aggregation with members within a container, then we can do as I proposed
Ashok Malhotra: if we implement aggregation with members within a container, then we can do as I proposed ←
15:39:45 <MacTed> ... if we implement as AtomPub, then different mechanisms are required
... if we implement as AtomPub, then different mechanisms are required ←
15:40:05 <MacTed> ... must decide between members-within-container or pointers-within-container
... must decide between members-within-container or pointers-within-container ←
15:40:13 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:40:25 <ericP> it's always references, like java
Eric Prud'hommeaux: it's always references, like java ←
15:40:40 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:41:04 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:41:11 <krp> zakim, ??P0 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:41:11 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:41:43 <ericP> isn't aggregation what's already in the spec?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: isn't aggregation what's already in the spec? ←
15:42:02 <ericP> what's missing?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: what's missing? ←
15:42:05 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:42:15 <stevebattle2> compregation is in the spec
Steve Battle: compregation is in the spec ←
15:42:19 <roger> +q
Roger Menday: +q ←
15:42:25 <ericP> ahh, roger that
Eric Prud'hommeaux: ahh, roger that ←
15:42:33 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:43:29 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:43:35 <ericP> so an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: so an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE? ←
15:43:41 <MacTed> Arnaud: seems to me we always have links within containers... starting from RDF as we are
Arnaud Le Hors: seems to me we always have links within containers... starting from RDF as we are ←
15:43:41 <MacTed> bblfish: thinks we should have a use case presenting why we need more than RDF-based aggregation, justifying composition model
Henry Story: thinks we should have a use case presenting why we need more than RDF-based aggregation, justifying composition model ←
15:43:41 <MacTed> Arnaud: current spec has mixed handling
Arnaud Le Hors: current spec has mixed handling ←
15:43:41 <MacTed> SteveS: spec is primarily based on aggregation. implementation may decide what happens with container-members it manages, and how to handle members with remote management...
Steve Speicher: spec is primarily based on aggregation. implementation may decide what happens with container-members it manages, and how to handle members with remote management... ←
15:43:48 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:43:54 <krp> zakim, ??P0 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P0 is me ←
15:43:54 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:44:01 <AndyS> Precludes linking?
Andy Seaborne: Precludes linking? ←
15:44:02 <ericP> and an composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text
Eric Prud'hommeaux: and an composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text ←
15:44:16 <ericP> and a hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate
Eric Prud'hommeaux: and a hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate ←
15:44:29 <bblfish> bblfish: my last point was that we should write up how to do aggregation by writing a document which is just a collection
Henry Story: my last point was that we should write up how to do aggregation by writing a document which is just a collection [ Scribe Assist by Henry Story ] ←
15:44:31 <MacTed> ericP: an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE; composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text; hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate
Eric Prud'hommeaux: an aggregation proposal would be to remove the text that talks about DELETE; composition proposal would be to strengthen the DELETE text; hybrid would include a mechanism to discriminate ←
15:44:58 <stevebattle2> It's nto a binary choice between the two though
Steve Battle: It's not a binary choice between the two though ←
15:45:01 <Arnaud> ack roger
Arnaud Le Hors: ack roger ←
15:45:04 <stevebattle2> s/nto/not/
15:45:10 <MacTed> Arnaud: perhaps we need SteveS to revise spec based on discussion to date, before we focus too strongly on it
Arnaud Le Hors: perhaps we need SteveS to revise spec based on discussion to date, before we focus too strongly on it ←
15:46:00 <bblfish> ok, looks like I should write it up
Henry Story: ok, looks like I should write it up ←
15:46:19 <stevebattle2> It's business as usual, Roger, using rdfs:member, rdf:List, ...
Steve Battle: It's business as usual, Roger, using rdfs:member, rdf:List, ... ←
15:46:24 <SteveS> I plan to write/propose something as well but want to base it off what lands as composition
Steve Speicher: I plan to write/propose something as well but want to base it off what lands as composition ←
15:46:32 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:46:41 <SteveS> stevebattle2 but what if you need to create a resource, where do you post it?
Steve Speicher: stevebattle2 but what if you need to create a resource, where do you post it? ←
15:46:53 <Zakim> +??P0
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P0 ←
15:47:00 <bblfish> roger, should we hook up to see if we agree?
Henry Story: roger, should we hook up to see if we agree? ←
15:47:32 <stevebattle2> "where do you post it?" is a question about composition, not aggregation.
Steve Battle: "where do you post it?" is a question about composition, not aggregation. ←
15:47:46 <MacTed> ( proposal to come... )
( proposal to come... ) ←
15:47:54 <AndyS> stevebattle -disagree - aggregation needs "add to list"
Andy Seaborne: stevebattle -disagree - aggregation needs "add to list" ←
15:48:15 <MacTed> issue-5?
15:48:15 <trackbot> ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-5 -- Add a section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol -- pending review ←
15:48:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5 ←
15:48:24 <stevebattle2> "add to list" can be defined as an RDF patch.
Steve Battle: "add to list" can be defined as an RDF patch. ←
15:48:47 <AndyS> ... how to do that? What is the PATCH format?
Andy Seaborne: ... how to do that? What is the PATCH format? ←
15:49:11 <SteveS> stevebattle2 seems odd to have two ways to create
Steve Speicher: stevebattle2 seems odd to have two ways to create ←
15:49:17 <stevebattle2> Well, changesets, if I ruled the world :)
Steve Battle: Well, changesets, if I ruled the world :) ←
15:49:27 <AndyS> (both list and seq are hard to do via serialized formats because of bNodes and numbering resp)
Andy Seaborne: (both list and seq are hard to do via serialized formats because of bNodes and numbering resp) ←
15:50:06 <AndyS> changesets can't do it! Do not work on rdf:Lists!
Andy Seaborne: changesets can't do it! Do not work on rdf:Lists! ←
15:50:22 <stevebattle2> sigh...
Steve Battle: sigh... ←
15:50:41 <AndyS> seq similarly - hard to guess the number of the rdf:_N
Andy Seaborne: seq similarly - hard to guess the number of the rdf:_N ←
15:50:44 <MacTed> subTOPIC: Issue-5 section explaining how LDBP is related to Graph Store Protocol, http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/5
15:50:44 <MacTed> Arnaud: thinks we don't need anything in spec about this, given we have note about it on LDP homepage
Arnaud Le Hors: thinks we don't need anything in spec about this, given we have note about it on LDP homepage ←
15:50:44 <MacTed> q+
q+ ←
15:50:59 <Arnaud> ack MacTed
Arnaud Le Hors: ack MacTed ←
15:51:16 <bblfish> q+
Henry Story: q+ ←
15:51:16 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:51:23 <Zakim> -AndyS
Zakim IRC Bot: -AndyS ←
15:51:45 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:52:54 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
Arnaud Le Hors: ack bblfish ←
15:53:51 <MacTed> MacTed: I think the paragraph relating LDP to GSP is necessary within spec
Ted Thibodeau: I think the paragraph relating LDP to GSP is necessary within spec ←
15:53:51 <MacTed> SteveS: wonders whether there are any other specs we need to address in similar fashion?
Steve Speicher: wonders whether there are any other specs we need to address in similar fashion? ←
15:53:51 <MacTed> bblfish: maybe we just set this as postponed, and see whether explanation/connection is easy later?
Henry Story: maybe we just set this as postponed, and see whether explanation/connection is easy later? ←
15:54:11 <MacTed> Arnaud: GSP doesn't require SPARQL, though it's written with it...
Arnaud Le Hors: GSP doesn't require SPARQL, though it's written with it... ←
15:54:21 <stevebattle2> The operational semantics of GSP are defined in SPARQL.
Steve Battle: The operational semantics of GSP are defined in SPARQL. ←
15:54:37 <ericP> re implementing bost, i've implemented all of GSP and a bit of LDP.
Eric Prud'hommeaux: re implementing both, i've implemented all of GSP and a bit of LDP. ←
15:54:43 <MacTed> ... interested whether GSP server can also be LDP server, or will there be difficulties in being both -- how difficult is it to support both?
... interested whether GSP server can also be LDP server, or will there be difficulties in being both -- how difficult is it to support both? ←
15:54:44 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:54:52 <MacTed> s/bost/both/
15:55:23 <ericP> the main requirement was that the server remembered the differences between LDP containers and GSP endpoints
Eric Prud'hommeaux: the main requirement was that the server remembered the differences between LDP containers and GSP endpoints ←
15:55:25 <bblfish> you could POSTPONE
Henry Story: you could POSTPONE ←
15:55:36 <MacTed> Arnaud: issue-5 resolution for now is ... no resolution.
Arnaud Le Hors: ISSUE-5 resolution for now is ... no resolution. ←
15:55:36 <ericP> other than that, they could peacibly coexist
Eric Prud'hommeaux: other than that, they could peacibly coexist ←
15:55:59 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:56:40 <MacTed> issue-12?
15:56:40 <trackbot> ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- open ←
15:56:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12 ←
15:56:47 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
15:56:48 <bblfish> I think that is easy
Henry Story: I think that is easy ←
15:56:50 <bblfish> close it
Henry Story: close it ←
15:57:02 <krp> zakim, ??P1 is me
Kevin Page: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:57:02 <Zakim> +krp; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +krp; got it ←
15:57:15 <MacTed> subTOPIC: Issue-12 -- Can HTTP PATCH be used for resource creation? -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/issues/12
15:57:36 <MacTed> Arnaud: this seems clear --no, you cannot create a resource using PATCH
Arnaud Le Hors: this seems clear --no, you cannot create a resource using PATCH ←
15:57:45 <stevebattle2> I'd support not using patch for creation - POST is causing enough trouble by itself.
Steve Battle: I'd support not using patch for creation - POST is causing enough trouble by itself. ←
15:57:55 <ericP> pushes the expressivity into the stratosphere
Eric Prud'hommeaux: pushes the expressivity into the stratosphere ←
15:57:59 <Arnaud> q?
Arnaud Le Hors: q? ←
15:58:05 <SteveS> q+
Steve Speicher: q+ ←
15:58:31 <ericP> how about "PATCH on a container is undefined behavior"?
Eric Prud'hommeaux: how about "PATCH on a container is undefined behavior"? ←
15:58:31 <Arnaud> ack steves
Arnaud Le Hors: ack steves ←
15:58:45 <stevebattle2> q+
Steve Battle: q+ ←
15:58:57 <Zakim> -krp
Zakim IRC Bot: -krp ←
15:59:11 <Arnaud> ack stevebattle
Arnaud Le Hors: ack stevebattle ←
15:59:36 <roger> ... did we fix the dates for the F2F ?
Roger Menday: ... did we fix the dates for the F2F ? ←
15:59:43 <ericP> my proposal is the "undefined behavior" text above
Eric Prud'hommeaux: my proposal is the "undefined behavior" text above ←
15:59:45 <bblfish> mhh, interesting arguments
Henry Story: mhh, interesting arguments ←
15:59:57 <MacTed> SteveS: wouldn't prohibit from using PATCH... would recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH, but wonders value of prohibition
Steve Speicher: wouldn't prohibit from using PATCH... would recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH, but wonders value of prohibition ←
15:59:57 <MacTed> stevebattle2: first arose because HTTP allows resources to be created with PATCH
Steve Battle: first arose because HTTP allows resources to be created with PATCH ←
16:00:29 <stevebattle2> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
16:00:34 <Yves> +1
Yves Lafon: +1 ←
16:00:34 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
16:00:41 <SteveS> +1
Steve Speicher: +1 ←
16:00:41 <Ruben> +1
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←
16:00:43 <antonis> +1
Antonis Loizou: +1 ←
16:00:43 <bblfish> +1
Henry Story: +1 ←
16:00:43 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ashok_Malhotra ←
16:00:44 <deiu> +1
Andrei Sambra: +1 ←
16:01:01 <ericP> i prefer to speak in terms of defined behavior vs. discouragement
Eric Prud'hommeaux: i prefer to speak in terms of defined behavior vs. discouragement ←
16:01:25 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH
PROPOSED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH ←
16:01:36 <Arnaud> +1
Arnaud Le Hors: +1 ←
16:01:37 <rgarcia> +1
Raúl García Castro: +1 ←
16:01:38 <stevebattle2> +1
Steve Battle: +1 ←
16:01:45 <roger> +1
Roger Menday: +1 ←
16:01:52 <MacTed> +1
+1 ←
16:01:54 <Ruben> +1
Ruben Verborgh: +1 ←
16:02:01 <MacTed> RESOLVED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH
RESOLVED: don't prohibit using PATCH... but recommend using POST and strongly discourage PATCH ←
16:02:21 <bblfish> thanks all
Henry Story: thanks all ←
16:02:26 <Zakim> -bblfish
Zakim IRC Bot: -bblfish ←
16:02:26 <Kalpa> happy holidays and merry christmas all
Kalpa Gunaratna: happy holidays and merry christmas all ←
16:02:29 <stevebattle2> bye
Steve Battle: bye ←
16:02:30 <Zakim> -rogerm
Zakim IRC Bot: -rogerm ←
16:02:31 <MacTed> TOPIC: next meeting in January
16:02:31 <Zakim> -antonis
Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis ←
16:02:32 <Zakim> -Yves
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yves ←
16:02:32 <deiu> thank you and merry christmas!
Andrei Sambra: thank you and merry christmas! ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> -SteveS
Zakim IRC Bot: -SteveS ←
16:02:33 <Zakim> -Ruben
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ruben ←
16:02:37 <Arnaud> meeting adjourned
Arnaud Le Hors: meeting adjourned ←
16:02:42 <ericP> !
16:02:45 <ericP> tx
Eric Prud'hommeaux: tx ←
16:02:46 <MacTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:02:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-minutes.html MacTed
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16:02:47 <antonis> happy holidays everyone!
Antonis Loizou: happy holidays everyone! ←
16:02:47 <ericP> lol
Eric Prud'hommeaux: lol ←
16:02:53 <Zakim> -raul
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16:02:58 <ericP> i was asking for a soundcheck
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16:03:00 <Zakim> -deiu
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16:03:07 <Zakim> -nmihindu
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16:03:09 <Zakim> -Arnaud
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16:03:09 <ericP> she says "happy holidays"
Eric Prud'hommeaux: she says "happy holidays" ←
16:03:11 <Zakim> -SteveBattle
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16:03:15 <Zakim> -ericP
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16:03:18 <MacTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
16:03:18 <MacTed> trackbot, end conference
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16:03:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
16:03:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, ericP, Ruben, antonis, deiu, Arnaud, SteveBattle, MacTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul, krp, rogerm,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been +329331aaaa, ericP, Ruben, antonis, deiu, Arnaud, SteveBattle, MacTed, bblfish, Ashok_Malhotra, SteveS, Yves, AndyS, raul, krp, rogerm, ←
16:03:22 <Zakim> ... nmihindu, +1.631.444.aabb, Kalpa
Zakim IRC Bot: ... nmihindu, +1.631.444.aabb, Kalpa ←
16:03:26 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
16:03:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/17-ldp-minutes.html trackbot ←
16:03:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
16:03:27 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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