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Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 06 August 2012

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Andy Seaborne, Antonis Loizou, Armin Haller, Arnaud Le Hors, Arthur Keen, Ashok Malhotra, Eric Prud'hommeaux, Erik Wilde, Henry Story, Kalpa Gunaratna, Kevin Page, Michael Hausenblas, Reza B'Far, Sandro Hawke, Serena Villata, Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Ted Thibodeau
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Henry Story
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Andy Seaborne
IRC Log
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Resolutions
  1. Accept the minutes of July 9th link
  2. Accept the minutes of July 23rd link
Topics
13:56:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:04 <trackbot> Date: 06 August 2012
13:58:30 <ahaller2> apologies, will only be able to join via irc, no reliable internet connection nor telephone (holiday)

Armin Haller: apologies, will only be able to join via irc, no reliable internet connection nor telephone (holiday)

14:06:30 <AndyS> Scribenick: AndyS

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(Scribe set to Andy Seaborne)

14:06:42 <AndyS> scribe: Andy Seaborne
14:06:51 <AndyS> Topic: admin

1. admin

14:07:21 <AndyS> Arnaud: mins from July 9 and July 23

Arnaud Le Hors: mins from July 9 and July 23

14:07:32 <AndyS> ...    http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-09

... http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-09

14:07:35 <mhausenblas> +1

Michael Hausenblas: +1

14:07:39 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:07:40 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:07:41 <AndyS> ...    http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-23

... http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/meeting/2012-07-23

14:08:01 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 9th

RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 9th

14:08:08 <Zakim> -??P30

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P30

14:08:11 <mhausenblas> +1 for 23 July

Michael Hausenblas: +1 for 23 July

14:08:37 <Kalpa> I think it was about participants list for July 23rd

Kalpa Gunaratna: I think it was about participants list for July 23rd

14:08:44 <Kalpa> I think it is solved now

Kalpa Gunaratna: I think it is solved now

14:08:46 <Kalpa> +1

Kalpa Gunaratna: +1

14:08:55 <SteveS> +1

Steve Speicher: +1

14:08:56 <AndyS> RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 23rd

RESOLVED: Accept the minutes of July 23rd

14:08:57 <krp> +1

Kevin Page: +1

14:09:17 <AndyS> Topic: Action item review

2. Action item review

14:09:48 <Zakim> + +1.512.651.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.651.aahh

14:10:03 <AndyS> Arnaud: pending ACTION-7

Arnaud Le Hors: pending ACTION-7

14:10:36 <AndyS> ... anyone can use the tracker - wiki style - any WG member(+team)

... anyone can use the tracker - wiki style - any WG member(+team)

14:10:39 <ArthurK> Zakim +1.512.651.aahh is me

Arthur Keen: Zakim +1.512.651.aahh is me

14:10:59 <AndyS> CLOSE Action-7

CLOSE ACTION-7

14:10:59 <trackbot> ACTION-7 Add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-7 Add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page closed

14:11:08 <sandro> action-7?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-7?

14:11:09 <trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Erik Wilde to add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page -- due 2012-07-30 -- CLOSED

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-7 -- Erik Wilde to add a use case for authentication.authorization to the use case wiki page -- due 2012-07-30 -- CLOSED

14:11:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/7

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/7

14:11:40 <AndyS> ... (and UC edited just before meeting)

... (and UC edited just before meeting)

14:12:59 <mhausenblas> q+ to ask about the purpose of the exercise

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to ask about the purpose of the exercise

14:13:35 <AndyS> ... and open action items   action-4, action-5, action-6

... and open action items ACTION-4, ACTION-5, ACTION-6

14:13:36 <Reza> Identity, authorization, etc. may be fairly large in scope, is this scope we want to try to tackle or is it just a question of determining pointers to other standards, etc. for these features?  I know other standardization efforts have passed on these.

Reza B'Far: Identity, authorization, etc. may be fairly large in scope, is this scope we want to try to tackle or is it just a question of determining pointers to other standards, etc. for these features? I know other standardization efforts have passed on these.

14:13:46 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:13:46 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q?

14:13:54 <AndyS> Regrets: Henry
14:13:58 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me

14:13:58 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about the purpose of the exercise

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to ask about the purpose of the exercise

14:14:20 <Reza> +1 to mhausenblas

Reza B'Far: +1 to mhausenblas

14:14:41 <AndyS> mhausenblas: authentication and authorization is not in the charter

Michael Hausenblas: authentication and authorization is not in the charter

14:14:48 <Zakim> +??P34

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P34

14:14:50 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:14:56 <ericP> Zakim, ??P34 is me

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Zakim, ??P34 is me

14:14:56 <Zakim> +ericP; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericP; got it

14:14:57 <antonis> ??P34 is me

Antonis Loizou: ??P34 is me

14:14:59 <dret> q+

Erik Wilde: q+

14:15:02 <AndyS> Arnaud: there is an item for a group note or requirements of such

Arnaud Le Hors: there is an item for a group note or requirements of such

14:15:08 <antonis> zakim, ??p2 is me

Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??p2 is me

14:15:08 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it

14:15:37 <MacTed> Zakim, who's noisy?

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's noisy?

14:15:48 <Zakim> MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: antonis (4%), Arnaud (10%), ericP (54%)

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: antonis (4%), Arnaud (10%), ericP (54%)

14:15:54 <krp> are we talking about having something akin to an IETF "Security Considerations" section in the spec?

Kevin Page: are we talking about having something akin to an IETF "Security Considerations" section in the spec?

14:15:56 <AndyS> (hard to hear Arnaud)

(hard to hear Arnaud)

14:16:27 <antonis> sorry - still new to this.. and cant seem to hear anything

Antonis Loizou: sorry - still new to this.. and cant seem to hear anything

14:16:52 <krp> while out of scope for the group, it does seem having consideration of security is essential. i.e. there needs to be a viable solution to this

Kevin Page: while out of scope for the group, it does seem having consideration of security is essential. i.e. there needs to be a viable solution to this

14:16:56 <AndyS> EriK: main point is that we think about integrating with existing technologies hence not about inventing, but "working with"

Erik Wilde: main point is that we think about integrating with existing technologies hence not about inventing, but "working with"

14:16:58 <Reza> q+

Reza B'Far: q+

14:17:10 <AndyS> ... together with patterns and requirements

... together with patterns and requirements

14:17:37 <AndyS> ... starting point and recommendations for implementers/deployers.

... starting point and recommendations for implementers/deployers.

14:18:17 <AndyS> mhausenblas: agree - typically IEFT "security considerations"

Michael Hausenblas: agree - typically IEFT "security considerations"

14:18:51 <AndyS> erik: see if we can go as far as stating a good way to link to specific frameworks.

Erik Wilde: see if we can go as far as stating a good way to link to specific frameworks.

14:18:53 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:18:58 <dret> q-

Erik Wilde: q-

14:19:04 <AndyS> ack dret

ack dret

14:19:18 <AndyS> ack Reza

ack Reza

14:19:36 <AndyS> Reza: what has been decided?

Reza B'Far: what has been decided?

14:20:47 <AndyS> arnaud: we had people present existing technologies e.g. SPARQL Graph Store protocol.

Arnaud Le Hors: we had people present existing technologies e.g. SPARQL Graph Store protocol.

14:20:55 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

14:21:00 <AndyS> Reza: consensus so far?

Reza B'Far: consensus so far?

14:21:10 <AndyS> arnaud: not yet - info gathering

Arnaud Le Hors: not yet - info gathering

14:21:13 <Reza> -q

Reza B'Far: -q

14:21:20 <svillata> Zakim, ??P33 is me

Serena Villata: Zakim, ??P33 is me

14:21:21 <Zakim> +svillata; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +svillata; got it

14:21:26 <Reza> +q

Reza B'Far: +q

14:22:36 <AndyS> Reza: prov-wg breaks up std into modules -- architecture decoupling : Data model query model, primer, (other)  Was a good way to proceed.

Reza B'Far: prov-wg breaks up std into modules -- architecture decoupling : Data model query model, primer, (other) Was a good way to proceed.

14:23:03 <AndyS> .. can take technologies to see how they fit that structure.

.. can take technologies to see how they fit that structure.

14:23:07 <AndyS> ... can take technologies to see how they fit that structure.

... can take technologies to see how they fit that structure.

14:23:23 <AndyS> arnaud: so far, we have no single way to proceed

Arnaud Le Hors: so far, we have no single way to proceed

14:23:42 <AndyS> (back to ACTION-7)

(back to ACTION-7)

14:24:00 <AndyS> erik: you were asking about identification in UC

Erik Wilde: you were asking about identification in UC

14:24:29 <AndyS> ... I didn't have a complicated idea underlying this other than global identification needs.

... I didn't have a complicated idea underlying this other than global identification needs.

14:24:46 <AndyS> ... user name or handle

... user name or handle

14:25:04 <AndyS> (open actions)

(open actions)

14:25:14 <AndyS> Topic: open actions

3. open actions

14:25:30 <AndyS> action-4, action-5, action-6

ACTION-4, ACTION-5, ACTION-6

14:26:01 <Arnaud> ok

Arnaud Le Hors: ok

14:26:25 <AndyS> arnaud: Henry not here today

Arnaud Le Hors: Henry not here today

14:27:58 <Zakim> -antonis

Zakim IRC Bot: -antonis

14:28:40 <AndyS> ... SDshare ...  mhausenblas ... could you review for us?

... SDshare ... mhausenblas ... could you review for us?

14:29:06 <AndyS>  mhausenblas: sure ... maybe two weeks time.

mhausenblas: sure ... maybe two weeks time.

14:29:09 <Zakim> +??P2

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P2

14:29:37 <antonis> zakim, ??P2 is me

Antonis Loizou: zakim, ??P2 is me

14:29:37 <Zakim> +antonis; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antonis; got it

14:29:59 <mhausenblas> Action-6?

Michael Hausenblas: ACTION-6?

14:29:59 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Steve Speicher to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Steve Speicher to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN

14:29:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

14:30:14 <sandro> action-6?

Sandro Hawke: ACTION-6?

14:30:14 <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-6 -- Michael Hausenblas to review SDshare -- due 2012-08-21 -- OPEN

14:30:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/6

14:30:33 <AndyS>  mhausenblas takes over action-6

mhausenblas takes over ACTION-6

14:30:50 <AndyS> Topic: next meeting

4. next meeting

14:31:11 <AndyS> arnaud: next meeting in two weeks; 20 August

Arnaud Le Hors: next meeting in two weeks; 20 August

14:31:19 <AndyS> Topic: Face-to-face

5. Face-to-face

14:31:33 <AndyS> November 1 and 2 at TPAC.

November 1 and 2 at TPAC.

14:31:52 <AndyS> RDF-WG is Mon,Tue

RDF-WG is Mon,Tue

14:32:19 <AndyS> ... we do not have an planned co-ordination meetings yet.

... we do not have an planned co-ordination meetings yet.

14:32:48 <AndyS> ... Oracle has offered a US location in NYC.

... Oracle has offered a US location in NYC.

14:33:27 <AndyS> ... fun with timezones

... fun with timezones

14:33:59 <SteveS> at Lyon

Steve Speicher: at Lyon

14:34:21 <Ashok_Malhotra> I will be in Lyon

Ashok Malhotra: I will be in Lyon

14:34:26 <AndyS> arnaud: please respond to email to confirm/not-confirm attendance

Arnaud Le Hors: please respond to email to confirm/not-confirm attendance

14:34:33 <sandro> I'll be at in Lyon

Sandro Hawke: I'll be at in Lyon

14:34:45 <svillata> I'll be in Lyon

Serena Villata: I'll be in Lyon

14:34:49 <ArthurK> I will be in Lyon

Arthur Keen: I will be in Lyon

14:34:53 <ericP> Lyon -- 80%

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Lyon -- 80%

14:34:55 <AndyS> sandro: wiki for meeting - all details inc attendance, agenda etc etc

Sandro Hawke: wiki for meeting - all details inc attendance, agenda etc etc

14:35:08 <antonis> 90% for me to be in Lyon

Antonis Loizou: 90% for me to be in Lyon

14:35:13 <ahaller2_> at Lyon

Armin Haller: at Lyon

14:36:16 <AndyS> Reza: unclear how many would attend in NYC.  Any?

Reza B'Far: unclear how many would attend in NYC. Any?

14:36:27 <Ashok_Malhotra> Reza, I have to be in Lyon for other reasons

Ashok Malhotra: Reza, I have to be in Lyon for other reasons

14:36:47 <Zakim> -??P4

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P4

14:36:51 <Zakim> -??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6

14:36:58 <ericP> Reza, how do you feel about showing up at 5am EST?

Eric Prud'hommeaux: Reza, how do you feel about showing up at 5am EST?

14:36:59 <AndyS> ACTION: Arnaud: set up wiki page for the F2F meeting

ACTION: Arnaud: set up wiki page for the F2F meeting

14:36:59 <trackbot> Created ACTION-8 - Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-08-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-8 - Set up wiki page for the F2F meeting [on Arnaud Le Hors - due 2012-08-13].

14:37:01 <Reza> Doesn't seem like anyone else needs to be in NYC, but in case there is, I can provide meeting place, etc.

Reza B'Far: Doesn't seem like anyone else needs to be in NYC, but in case there is, I can provide meeting place, etc.

14:37:14 <AndyS> Topic: UC+R

6. UC+R

14:37:40 <AndyS> wiki page -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

wiki page -- http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Use_Cases_And_Requirements

14:37:47 <AndyS> ... any WG member can add material

... any WG member can add material

14:37:52 <AndyS> ... main focus for now

... main focus for now

14:37:58 <AndyS> ... need to ensure coverage

... need to ensure coverage

14:38:43 <AndyS> ... there are different styles and levels of specificity

... there are different styles and levels of specificity

14:38:57 <Reza> @ericP - 5 AM is too early, but Ashok will rep Oracle in Lyon so I probably just won't attend.

Reza B'Far: @ericP - 5 AM is too early, but Ashok will rep Oracle in Lyon so I probably just won't attend.

14:39:17 <Reza> @ericP [meaning if there are no other people in NYC]

Reza B'Far: @ericP [meaning if there are no other people in NYC]

14:39:30 <AndyS> ... erik and arnaud would like to make consistent ... see agenda

... erik and arnaud would like to make consistent ... see agenda

14:39:47 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

14:39:54 <Reza> -q

Reza B'Far: -q

14:41:07 <AndyS> erik: we looked at wiki page ... mixed - app driven - functional issues, not specific apps

Erik Wilde: we looked at wiki page ... mixed - app driven - functional issues, not specific apps

14:41:12 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:41:31 <AndyS> ... try to put into a single framework to assess

... try to put into a single framework to assess

14:42:05 <mhausenblas> q+ to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/

Michael Hausenblas: q+ to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/

14:42:29 <AndyS> ... Erik liked "media fragments"

... Erik liked "media fragments"

14:42:55 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

Michael Hausenblas: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

14:42:55 <krp> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

Kevin Page: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

14:42:59 <dret> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

Erik Wilde: http://www.w3.org/TR/media-frags-reqs/#use-cases

14:43:07 <Reza> We should be careful about not overlapping with other existing (and not-dead) standards: e.g. "Maintaining Social Contact Information" has at least some overlap with FOAF

Reza B'Far: We should be careful about not overlapping with other existing (and not-dead) standards: e.g. "Maintaining Social Contact Information" has at least some overlap with FOAF

14:43:08 <AndyS> ... section 4

... section 4

14:43:34 <AndyS> q+ to ask about an editor

q+ to ask about an editor

14:44:28 <AndyS> Erik:  functional - scenarios using functional aspects.

Erik Wilde: functional - scenarios using functional aspects.

14:44:38 <AndyS> ... how do we get from there from here?

... how do we get from there from here?

14:44:49 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q?

14:44:53 <mhausenblas> ack stevebattle

Michael Hausenblas: ack stevebattle

14:45:01 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q?

14:45:46 <AndyS> stevebattle: UC here are end-to-end stories .. e.g. data catalogues   Separate scenarios from the goals  ... relabelling needed

Steve Battle: UC here are end-to-end stories .. e.g. data catalogues Separate scenarios from the goals ... relabelling needed

14:45:47 <mhausenblas> ack me

Michael Hausenblas: ack me

14:45:47 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/

Zakim IRC Bot: mhausenblas, you wanted to suggest to follow roughly http://www.w3.org/TR/rdb2rdf-ucr/

14:45:49 <stevebattle> q-

Steve Battle: q-

14:45:49 <AndyS> ack stevebattle

ack stevebattle

14:46:46 <AndyS>  mhausenblas: I was there - was great but costly to produce  RDB2RDF was lightly weight and learnt from the process in media fragments

mhausenblas: I was there - was great but costly to produce RDB2RDF was lightly weight and learnt from the process in media fragments

14:47:10 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q?

14:47:36 <AndyS> ... structure is UC with key feature sections

... structure is UC with key feature sections

14:47:39 <AndyS> ack andys

ack andys

14:47:39 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about an editor

Zakim IRC Bot: AndyS, you wanted to ask about an editor

14:47:56 <AndyS> AndyS: Editor needed (sometime)?

Andy Seaborne: Editor needed (sometime)?

14:48:22 <AndyS> arnaud: ericp suggested self-identification by wiki input

Arnaud Le Hors: ericp suggested self-identification by wiki input

14:48:46 <AndyS> ... volunteers for UC+R doc ... two editors to share the load

... volunteers for UC+R doc ... two editors to share the load

14:49:12 <stevebattle> q+

Steve Battle: q+

14:50:00 <Arnaud> stevebattle would be happy to be editor for UC+R doc

Arnaud Le Hors: stevebattle would be happy to be editor for UC+R doc

14:50:08 <AndyS> ack stevebattle

ack stevebattle

14:50:09 <SteveS> q+

Steve Speicher: q+

14:50:49 <AndyS>  mhausenblas: could help with secondary editor role

mhausenblas: could help with secondary editor role

14:50:49 <stevebattle> :)

Steve Battle: :)

14:50:56 <mhausenblas> q?

Michael Hausenblas: q?

14:50:56 <SteveS> q-

Steve Speicher: q-

14:51:05 <AndyS> steveS: could help with secondary editor role

Steve Speicher: could help with secondary editor role

14:51:06 <krp> I can put some time in to help some word wrangling in September, but not really before then (and hope to add a use case real soon now)

Kevin Page: I can put some time in to help some word wrangling in September, but not really before then (and hope to add a use case real soon now)

14:52:20 <Reza> +q

Reza B'Far: +q

14:52:31 <AndyS> arnaud: Reze's point was overlap with existing work.

Arnaud Le Hors: Reze's point was overlap with existing work.

14:53:45 <AndyS> ack Reza

ack Reza

14:55:13 <AndyS> Reza: not too high level in the UC ... vague ... add solution specification (and note non-LD solutions? and partial overlaps).

Reza B'Far: not too high level in the UC ... vague ... add solution specification (and note non-LD solutions? and partial overlaps).

14:55:26 <AndyS> arnaud: charter scope is useful here.

Arnaud Le Hors: charter scope is useful here.

14:50:00 <Arnaud> UC+R doc editors are: Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Michael Hausenblas, Kevin Page

Arnaud Le Hors: UC+R doc editors are: Steve Battle, Steve Speicher, Michael Hausenblas, Kevin Page

14:55:47 <AndyS> topic: public comments

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7. public comments

14:56:13 <AndyS> arnaud: Leigh aware we are listening.

Arnaud Le Hors: Leigh aware we are listening.

14:56:30 <AndyS> ... more generally, we need to capture comments as issues in the tracker.

... more generally, we need to capture comments as issues in the tracker.

14:56:53 <AndyS> ... Martynas comments, pre-WG, a bit more unclear process-wise.

... Martynas comments, pre-WG, a bit more unclear process-wise.

14:57:23 <AndyS> ... how do we handle public comments - what's good practice here?

... how do we handle public comments - what's good practice here?

14:57:25 <Reza> At least in Prov, public comments are gathered after first call.

Reza B'Far: At least in Prov, public comments are gathered after first call.

14:58:35 <Reza> I think having public comments coming in during the development of spec is not productive to focus and delivery.  I think it has to be done after some formalization, etc. of calls...

Reza B'Far: I think having public comments coming in during the development of spec is not productive to focus and delivery. I think it has to be done after some formalization, etc. of calls...

14:58:38 <sandro> +1 andy: at this point, we should be trying to engage the commenters -- it's not formal at this point

Sandro Hawke: +1 andy: at this point, we should be trying to engage the commenters -- it's not formal at this point

14:58:45 <AndyS> arnaud: at the moment, anyone can join discussion

Arnaud Le Hors: at the moment, anyone can join discussion

14:59:37 <AndyS> ... we have the submission as starting point

... we have the submission as starting point

15:00:03 <AndyS> SteveS: as editor, I can engage in discussion and cc WG.

Steve Speicher: as editor, I can engage in discussion and cc WG.

15:00:52 <Arnaud> q?

Arnaud Le Hors: q?

15:00:55 <Zakim> - +1.512.651.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.512.651.aahh

15:00:59 <Reza> -q

Reza B'Far: -q

15:01:03 <dret> thanks, arnaud!

Erik Wilde: thanks, arnaud!

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