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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 01 August 2013

Agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html
Seen
Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Dave Reynolds, Fadi Maali, Hadley Beeman, John Erickson, Makx Dekkers, Phil Archer, Sandro Hawke, Ted Thibodeau
Chair
Hadley Beeman
Scribe
Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. Minutes accepted from 2 weeks ago link
Topics
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13:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
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13:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 01 August 2013
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14:00:21 <sandro> just noticing cygri is still on the IRC channel      heh.

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14:00:36 <PhilA> zakim, code?

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14:00:36 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA

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14:01:05 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:01:10 <HadleyBeeman> Hi all

Hadley Beeman: Hi all

14:01:12 <Zakim> +??P12

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14:01:14 <HadleyBeeman> just dialing in

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14:01:22 <Zakim> +davidwood

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14:01:24 <olyerickson> zakim, I am [ipcaller].

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14:01:31 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, P12 is BenediktKaempgen

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14:01:41 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, ??P12 is BenediktKaempgen

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14:02:33 <PhilA> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html
14:03:00 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

14:03:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, [IPcaller], davidwood, DaveReynolds1

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14:03:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see DaveReynolds1, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, bhyland, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, danbri_, cygri, TallTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see DaveReynolds1, fadmaa, BenediktKaempgen, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, bhyland, HadleyBeeman, olyerickson, danbri_, cygri, TallTed, trackbot, sandro

14:03:32 <olyerickson> zakim, [ipcaller] is me.

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14:04:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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14:04:25 <PhilA> Chair: HadleyBeeman
14:05:40 <olyerickson> +1 to thanking PhilA

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14:06:10 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

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14:06:15 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

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14:06:32 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

14:06:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, davidwood, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted)

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14:06:38 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA

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14:06:45 <PhilA> scribeNick: PhilA
14:06:49 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130801

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20130801

14:06:55 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Goes through agenda

Hadley Beeman: Goes through agenda

14:07:01 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

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14:07:01 <PhilA> topic: Extension

1. Extension

14:07:06 <BenediktKaempgen> last weeks minutes?

Benedikt Kaempgen: last weeks minutes?

14:07:10 <olyerickson> FYI http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Charter_Extension

John Erickson: FYI http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Charter_Extension

14:07:14 <TallTed> TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html

Ted Thibodeau: TallTed has changed the topic to: Govt Linked Data WG -- http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/ -- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0055.html

14:07:15 <PhilA> sandro: It's done - we have the extension

Sandro Hawke: It's done - we have the extension

14:07:38 <PhilA> sandro: It hasn't been formally announced yet as it also refers to the eGov IG

Sandro Hawke: It hasn't been formally announced yet as it also refers to the eGov IG

14:08:07 <olyerickson> +1 to tahnking sandro

John Erickson: +1 to tahnking sandro

14:08:13 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Thansk to sandro for getting the extension sorted

Hadley Beeman: Thansk to sandro for getting the extension sorted

14:09:44 <bhyland1> +1 Phil for getting publications requested for publication, (requested 31/07/13).

Bernadette Hyland: +1 Phil for getting publications requested for publication, (requested 31/07/13).

14:09:58 <PhilA> PhilA: Explains that the eGov IG is closing and becoming a CG

Phil Archer: Explains that the eGov IG is closing and becoming a CG

14:10:05 <bhyland1> zakim, davidwood is me

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14:10:10 <PhilA> topic: Update on deliverables

2. Update on deliverables

14:10:12 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

14:10:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted)

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14:10:16 <BenediktKaempgen> How about accepting minutes from last call?

Benedikt Kaempgen: How about accepting minutes from last call?

14:10:24 <olyerickson> 24 hours to steep...

John Erickson: 24 hours to steep...

14:10:29 <bhyland1> Topic: DCAT

3. DCAT

14:10:29 <bhyland1> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/

Bernadette Hyland: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat/

14:10:32 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: DCAT has had its 24 hours' notice. It's now going to publication as 2nd LC

Hadley Beeman: DCAT has had its 24 hours' notice. It's now going to publication as 2nd LC

14:10:45 <olyerickson> +1 to previous call's minutes

John Erickson: +1 to previous call's minutes

14:10:45 <PhilA> topic: Pause for agreeing last week's minutes

4. Pause for agreeing last week's minutes

14:10:50 <HadleyBeeman> previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18

Hadley Beeman: previous minutes: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18

14:10:59 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:11:37 <PhilA> bhyland1: The main wiki page has an error where the minutes for the 18 July go to May something...

Bernadette Hyland: The main wiki page has an error where the minutes for the 18 July go to May something...

14:11:38 <BenediktKaempgen> Bernadette: I just changed it.

Bernadette Hyland: I just changed it. [ Scribe Assist by Benedikt Kaempgen ]

14:12:55 <PhilA> bhyland1: How did you do that?

Bernadette Hyland: How did you do that?

14:13:02 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: I changed the annotation

Benedikt Kaempgen: I changed the annotation

14:13:13 <PhilA> BenediktKaempgen: But I diodn't change the accepted minutes from 20th June

Benedikt Kaempgen: But I diodn't change the accepted minutes from 20th June

14:13:22 <bhyland1> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

14:13:25 <Zakim> + +34.63.926.aabb

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14:13:26 <olyerickson> +1 to accepting previous call's minutes (with corrected links)

John Erickson: +1 to accepting previous call's minutes (with corrected links)

14:13:31 <DaveReynolds1> +1

Dave Reynolds: +1

14:13:36 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:13:37 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

14:13:41 <HadleyBeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1

14:13:48 <PhilA> RESOLVED: Minutes accepted from 2 weeks ago

RESOLVED: Minutes accepted from 2 weeks ago

14:14:20 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18 minutes from 2 weeks ago

-> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/gld/2013-07-18 minutes from 2 weeks ago

14:14:36 <PhilA> bhyland1: Didn't we resolve to publish the DCAT UCR?

Bernadette Hyland: Didn't we resolve to publish the DCAT UCR?

14:14:47 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me

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14:14:49 <olyerickson> Yes, that is what we discussed two weeks ago.

John Erickson: Yes, that is what we discussed two weeks ago.

14:14:56 <PhilA> discussion follows that says no, the minutes are correct. We resolved not to publish it.

discussion follows that says no, the minutes are correct. We resolved not to publish it.

14:14:58 <DaveReynolds1> That's my recollection too, we agreed to not publish DCAT UCR at all.

Dave Reynolds: That's my recollection too, we agreed to not publish DCAT UCR at all.

14:15:44 <bhyland1> Ok, thanks for swapping that back in so I have it.

Bernadette Hyland: Ok, thanks for swapping that back in so I have it.

14:15:47 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: John reports that we didn't follow the use case process (this is not entirely unusual)

Hadley Beeman: John reports that we didn't follow the use case process (this is not entirely unusual)

14:15:57 <PhilA> olyerickson: It just seemed a little bogus...

John Erickson: It just seemed a little bogus...

14:16:28 <PhilA> topic: Back to DCAT

5. Back to DCAT

14:16:35 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Are you happy fadmaa ?

Hadley Beeman: Are you happy fadmaa ?

14:16:40 <fadmaa> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments

Fadi Maali: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/DCAT_LC_comments

14:16:54 <PhilA> fadmaa: I am happy with the current status. I've had one comment from Makx that I've recorded

Fadi Maali: I am happy with the current status. I've had one comment from Makx that I've recorded

14:17:18 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Bernadette and I will need to do a separate doc for the transition to CR. Should it be in a separate doc?

Hadley Beeman: Bernadette and I will need to do a separate doc for the transition to CR. Should it be in a separate doc?

14:17:36 <PhilA> fadmaa: I'm putting them in a different table in the same doc

Fadi Maali: I'm putting them in a different table in the same doc

14:18:02 <DaveReynolds1> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:18:11 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds1

ack DaveReynolds1

14:18:35 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I remember a post from Leigh Dodds asking for more detail on things like coverage - I've not seen that reflected

Dave Reynolds: I remember a post from Leigh Dodds asking for more detail on things like coverage - I've not seen that reflected

14:18:47 <PhilA> fadmaa: I think that was a comment on the first LC

Fadi Maali: I think that was a comment on the first LC

14:19:32 <PhilA> olyerickson: What was the request from Leigh?

John Erickson: What was the request from Leigh?

14:19:46 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: It was editorial rather than content but it was a request for more guidance

Dave Reynolds: It was editorial rather than content but it was a request for more guidance

14:20:25 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jun/0015.html Leigh'c comments

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jun/0015.html Leigh's comments

14:20:30 <PhilA> s/'c/'s/
14:20:37 <olyerickson> Hard to hear fadmaa ...comment about what from whom?

John Erickson: Hard to hear fadmaa ...comment about what from whom?

14:20:59 <fadmaa> I haven't replied to this email

Fadi Maali: I haven't replied to this email

14:21:20 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: As long as Fadi does reply, we're OK I think?

Hadley Beeman: As long as Fadi does reply, we're OK I think?

14:21:25 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

14:21:28 <PhilA> olyerickson: Yes I think so

John Erickson: Yes I think so

14:21:46 <olyerickson> -1 to opening cans of words

John Erickson: -1 to opening cans of words

14:21:53 <olyerickson> ...or worms

John Erickson: ...or worms

14:21:59 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: There's the question about versioning going on. Can we wrap this into the usual LC process or does it provide additional complications?

Hadley Beeman: There's the question about versioning going on. Can we wrap this into the usual LC process or does it provide additional complications?

14:22:14 <PhilA> olyerickson: I'd like people's guidance on whether we have to deal with it

John Erickson: I'd like people's guidance on whether we have to deal with it

14:22:43 <PhilA> olyerickson: If it's the consensus that DCAT has to deal with versioning ina fine grained way than we need to inject it into the process (fade)

John Erickson: If it's the consensus that DCAT has to deal with versioning ina fine grained way than we need to inject it into the process (fade)

14:23:02 <olyerickson> read my email

John Erickson: read my email

14:23:03 <bhyland1> We're missing 3-5 words at a time

Bernadette Hyland: We're missing 3-5 words at a time

14:23:05 <olyerickson> ;)

John Erickson: ;)

14:23:16 <PhilA> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0005.html John's comments on this

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0005.html John's comments on this

14:23:48 <olyerickson> do we have to accomodate every request that comes up? is dcat as defined really broken?

John Erickson: do we have to accomodate every request that comes up? is dcat as defined really broken?

14:24:26 <PhilA> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html DWBP WG charter

-> http://www.w3.org/2013/05/odbp-charter.html DWBP WG charter

14:24:56 <sandro> q+

Sandro Hawke: q+

14:25:01 <DaveReynolds1> q-

Dave Reynolds: q-

14:25:27 <PhilA> PhilA: I agree with John's mail, but point to the DWBP as a possible future place to work on this

Phil Archer: I agree with John's mail, but point to the DWBP as a possible future place to work on this

14:25:36 <PhilA> sandro: It was in our original charter

Sandro Hawke: It was in our original charter

14:25:46 <olyerickson> +1 to responsive...+1 to careful thoughtful ;)

John Erickson: +1 to responsive...+1 to careful thoughtful ;)

14:25:59 <PhilA> sandro: In terms of process, we have to respond, whether we actually agree with it or not - i.e. we don't have do what people ask

Sandro Hawke: In terms of process, we have to respond, whether we actually agree with it or not - i.e. we don't have do what people ask

14:26:03 <olyerickson> Q

John Erickson: Q

14:26:06 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:26:09 <sandro> q-

Sandro Hawke: q-

14:26:14 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

14:26:39 <PhilA> olyerickson: Is it incumbent on us in our thoughtful response to offer solutions to their request?

John Erickson: Is it incumbent on us in our thoughtful response to offer solutions to their request?

14:27:06 <PhilA> ... we might be trying to solve a speculative problem

... we might be trying to solve a speculative problem

14:27:31 <PhilA> sandro: We can find a polite version of "we really don't have the capacity to deal with this now."

Sandro Hawke: We can find a polite version of "we really don't have the capacity to deal with this now."

14:27:58 <PhilA> olyerickson: OK, that's more or less what I said - although I may have been more forceful than is strictly necessary

John Erickson: OK, that's more or less what I said - although I may have been more forceful than is strictly necessary

14:28:22 <PhilA> olyerickson: Some of the things we proposed to discuss in BPs are either out of scope or we don't have time for.

John Erickson: Some of the things we proposed to discuss in BPs are either out of scope or we don't have time for.

14:28:35 <fadmaa> this was raised before see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013May/0016.html

Fadi Maali: this was raised before see: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013May/0016.html

14:28:42 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Refers to her e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0002.html#

Hadley Beeman: Refers to her e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Aug/0002.html#

14:29:04 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

14:29:09 <olyerickson> Q-

John Erickson: Q-

14:29:16 <PhilA> q- olyerickson

q- olyerickson

14:29:32 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:29:32 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted

14:29:32 <PhilA> bhyland1: We're not dealing with versioning in the BP doc but there is language around the issues

Bernadette Hyland: We're not dealing with versioning in the BP doc but there is language around the issues

14:29:58 <MakxDekkers> q+

Makx Dekkers: q+

14:30:00 <PhilA> bhyland1: We offer advice on URLs persisting in perpetuity - is that OK?

Bernadette Hyland: We offer advice on URLs persisting in perpetuity - is that OK?

14:30:07 <DaveReynolds1> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:30:10 <olyerickson> +1 to language about considering versioning in metadata (and perhaps naming)

John Erickson: +1 to language about considering versioning in metadata (and perhaps naming)

14:30:25 <PhilA> ack MakxDekkers

ack MakxDekkers

14:31:06 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: I wanted to make the point that the question that Antoine had has a simple answer - ADMS has a mthod for this (adms:next/prev etc.)

Makx Dekkers: I wanted to make the point that the question that Antoine had has a simple answer - ADMS has a mthod for this (adms:next/prev etc.)

14:31:29 <olyerickson> ADMS is thwe subclass that a provider should adopt if they need to indicate version relationships

John Erickson: ADMS is thwe subclass that a provider should adopt if they need to indicate version relationships

14:31:33 <PhilA> ... so what Antoine was asking was what effect it has that ADMS classes are sub classes of DCAT

... so what Antoine was asking was what effect it has that ADMS classes are sub classes of DCAT

14:32:24 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: Another point that came out in the DCAT Application profile was how to point between different versions and we decided to just use the ADMS next and prev properties - maybe people can look at that

Makx Dekkers: Another point that came out in the DCAT Application profile was how to point between different versions and we decided to just use the ADMS next and prev properties - maybe people can look at that

14:32:31 <olyerickson> The point of a subclass is to be a specialization of the superclass...in this case w.r.t. version relationships

John Erickson: The point of a subclass is to be a specialization of the superclass...in this case w.r.t. version relationships

14:32:44 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Going back to process - the DCAT LC process should be sufficient?

Hadley Beeman: Going back to process - the DCAT LC process should be sufficient?

14:32:45 <MakxDekkers> +1

Makx Dekkers: +1

14:32:46 <olyerickson> +1 to happy

John Erickson: +1 to happy

14:32:48 <PhilA> PhilA:  Yes

Phil Archer: Yes

14:32:48 <fadmaa> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

14:32:53 <HadleyBeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

14:32:54 <BenediktKaempgen> +1

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1

14:32:57 <PhilA> ack DaveReynolds1

ack DaveReynolds1

14:32:57 <DaveReynolds1> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:33:48 <MakxDekkers> +q

Makx Dekkers: +q

14:34:05 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I read Phil's message raising a slightly different issue. ADMS says that you can have different versions and then you need a different URI. Can an ADMS:Asset be modified without creating a new asset?

Dave Reynolds: I read Phil's message raising a slightly different issue. ADMS says that you can have different versions and then you need a different URI. Can an ADMS:Asset be modified without creating a new asset?

14:34:24 <PhilA> ... if so, then we're OK. If not then there's a problem with subclassing DCAT

... if so, then we're OK. If not then there's a problem with subclassing DCAT

14:34:43 <HadleyBeeman> ack makx

Hadley Beeman: ack makx

14:34:57 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: I gave an example http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0052.html

Makx Dekkers: I gave an example http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jul/0052.html

14:35:10 <PhilA> MakxDekkers: ADMS gives you the option to do either

Makx Dekkers: ADMS gives you the option to do either

14:35:16 <olyerickson> +1 to closing DCAT as topic

John Erickson: +1 to closing DCAT as topic

14:35:17 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: OK, I'm happy

Dave Reynolds: OK, I'm happy

14:35:21 <PhilA> topic: ORG

6. ORG

14:35:44 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: Not much happening. We haven't had comments or implementation reports

Dave Reynolds: Not much happening. We haven't had comments or implementation reports

14:35:56 <PhilA> ... all is quiet. No problems but nothing else either

... all is quiet. No problems but nothing else either

14:36:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Can we help stir up those implementation reports

Hadley Beeman: Can we help stir up those implementation reports

14:36:16 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: Yes please!

Dave Reynolds: Yes please!

14:36:32 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Pls remind us where the implementation reports are

Hadley Beeman: Pls remind us where the implementation reports are

14:36:38 <PhilA> topic: Data Cube

7. Data Cube

14:36:51 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: We've had some reports around QB visualisations and one around datasets

Dave Reynolds: We've had some reports around QB visualisations and one around datasets

14:37:09 <PhilA> ... we have a report on unintended incomplete integrity constraints

... we have a report on unintended incomplete integrity constraints

14:37:17 <PhilA> ... we've decided to leave that

... we've decided to leave that

14:37:30 <PhilA> or rather just make an editorial change

or rather just make an editorial change

14:37:58 <PhilA> ... and we had someone pointing out some other ed changes that coule be made concerning the range of a property

... and we had someone pointing out some other ed changes that coule be made concerning the range of a property

14:38:01 <bhyland1> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

14:38:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted), +34.63.926.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see fadmaa (muted), PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, olyerickson, bhyland1, DaveReynolds1, HadleyBeeman, TallTed (muted), +34.63.926.aabb

14:38:08 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Do you have a sense of the timeline?

Hadley Beeman: Do you have a sense of the timeline?

14:38:42 <PhilA> sandro: Procedurally it takes about 6 weeks - 2 months from CR to Rec

Sandro Hawke: Procedurally it takes about 6 weeks - 2 months from CR to Rec

14:38:52 <PhilA> ... so we should try to be done with CR by end October

... so we should try to be done with CR by end October

14:39:04 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So what's to do after we have the implementation reports

Hadley Beeman: So what's to do after we have the implementation reports

14:39:16 <DaveReynolds1> How to submit QB implementation report (links to table of implementations): http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_a_Data_Cube_Implementation_Report

Dave Reynolds: How to submit QB implementation report (links to table of implementations): http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_a_Data_Cube_Implementation_Report

14:39:26 <bhyland1> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:39:37 <PhilA> sandro: There's a Director call to have with the chairs and Dave but procedurally after that it's up to the team

Sandro Hawke: There's a Director call to have with the chairs and Dave but procedurally after that it's up to the team

14:39:53 <PhilA> bhyland1: Given our track record I think we should try and use end September as a deadline

Bernadette Hyland: Given our track record I think we should try and use end September as a deadline

14:39:56 <PhilA> ack bhyland1

ack bhyland1

14:40:01 <DaveReynolds1> How to submit ORG report: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_an_ORG_Implementation_Report

Dave Reynolds: How to submit ORG report: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/How_to_submit_an_ORG_Implementation_Report

14:40:08 <PhilA> ... i.e. we shouldn't wait until end Oct

... i.e. we shouldn't wait until end Oct

14:40:11 <HadleyBeeman> thanks for those links, davereynolds1

Hadley Beeman: thanks for those links, davereynolds1

14:40:23 <PhilA> sandro: It's not us, it's implementers

Sandro Hawke: It's not us, it's implementers

14:40:29 <PhilA> bhyland1: Yes, but we need to shout about it

Bernadette Hyland: Yes, but we need to shout about it

14:40:32 <PhilA> sandro: yes of course

Sandro Hawke: yes of course

14:41:14 <PhilA> sandro: I'm having difficulty remembering whether we're asking for data producers or data consumers

Sandro Hawke: I'm having difficulty remembering whether we're asking for data producers or data consumers

14:41:26 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1 It's primarily data.

DaveReynolds1 It's primarily data producers.

14:41:35 <PhilA> ... we've given people a way to submit the data

... we've given people a way to submit the data

14:41:42 <PhilA> ... and visualisations are useful.

... and visualisations are useful.

14:41:52 <bhyland1> s/primarily data/primarily data producers
14:41:54 <PhilA> ... for transitions it's about whether enough of the vocab has been used

... for transitions it's about whether enough of the vocab has been used

14:42:30 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: It's the change event stuff that is at risk for ORG

Dave Reynolds: It's the change event stuff that is at risk for ORG

14:42:44 <PhilA> ... for QB it's the integrity checks that are at risk

... for QB it's the integrity checks that are at risk

14:43:23 <PhilA> ... for QB we have a lot of implementation reports in that a lot of people have used QB. We have those. What we need is people toa ctually submit the data so we can look at the use of the integrity checks etc.

... for QB we have a lot of implementation reports in that a lot of people have used QB. We have those. What we need is people toa ctually submit the data so we can look at the use of the integrity checks etc.

14:43:38 <PhilA> sandro: So we need to nicely reach out to people we know exist and ask for a little more info

Sandro Hawke: So we need to nicely reach out to people we know exist and ask for a little more info

14:44:02 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So I think that leaves us with everyone helping Dave to get more implementations

Hadley Beeman: So I think that leaves us with everyone helping Dave to get more implementations

14:44:13 <PhilA> topic: Best Practices

8. Best Practices

14:44:34 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: You were hoping to have a public doc by the end of August, Bernadette?

Hadley Beeman: You were hoping to have a public doc by the end of August, Bernadette?

14:44:47 <PhilA> bhyland1: There have been a fair number of edits during June and July

Bernadette Hyland: There have been a fair number of edits during June and July

14:45:11 <PhilA> bhyland1: Biplav was anxious that Martin Kaltenboek's info was included. Taking a meta level approach

Bernadette Hyland: Biplav was anxious that Martin Kaltenboek's info was included. Taking a meta level approach

14:45:28 <PhilA> ... it's for people whoa re champions within their organisations we want to reach

... it's for people whoa re champions within their organisations we want to reach

14:46:21 <PhilA> bhyland1: Basic message from Biplav was please don't drop this important point. The other two editors have been working on it so I think we're on track and on time

Bernadette Hyland: Basic message from Biplav was please don't drop this important point. The other two editors have been working on it so I think we're on track and on time

14:46:33 <PhilA> ... and it links across to the LD glossary

... and it links across to the LD glossary

14:46:52 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Anything else we should be looking at?

Hadley Beeman: Anything else we should be looking at?

14:47:12 <PhilA> bhyland1: We need people to look at it during August before we start making public noise about it

Bernadette Hyland: We need people to look at it during August before we start making public noise about it

14:47:26 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So we're at the end of the agenda. Anything else? Looks at tracker

Hadley Beeman: So we're at the end of the agenda. Anything else? Looks at tracker

14:47:41 <HadleyBeeman> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68

14:47:48 <PhilA> issue-68?

ISSUE-68?

14:47:48 <trackbot> ISSUE-68 -- QB validation rules miss a potentially common case -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-68 -- QB validation rules miss a potentially common case -- open

14:47:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/68

14:48:15 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: We responded that we've made the changes but haven't had any push back on it. We could close it or put it in pending review?

Dave Reynolds: We responded that we've made the changes but haven't had any push back on it. We could close it or put it in pending review?

14:48:25 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Is there a chance that we might get pushback?

Hadley Beeman: Is there a chance that we might get pushback?

14:48:41 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: ... sandro you were going to check with W3C folks?

Dave Reynolds: ... sandro you were going to check with W3C folks?

14:48:52 <PhilA> ack sandro

ack sandro

14:49:18 <bhyland1> Action: bhyland1 Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html

ACTION: bhyland1 Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html

14:49:18 <trackbot> Error finding 'bhyland1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'bhyland1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users>.

14:49:28 <PhilA> sandro: I seem to have forgotten that... I think I asked if you could write it up a bit.

Sandro Hawke: I seem to have forgotten that... I think I asked if you could write it up a bit.

14:49:30 <HadleyBeeman> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jul/0017.html

Hadley Beeman: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-comments/2013Jul/0017.html

14:49:32 <PhilA> DaveReynolds1: I sent an e-mail

Dave Reynolds: I sent an e-mail

14:49:38 <PhilA> sandro: Yes you did and I didn't do anything...

Sandro Hawke: Yes you did and I didn't do anything...

14:49:47 <PhilA> q?

q?

14:49:52 <PhilA> q- bhyland1

q- bhyland1

14:49:57 <PhilA> q- bhyland

q- bhyland

14:50:09 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: So it's with Sandro and pending review

Hadley Beeman: So it's with Sandro and pending review

14:50:21 <PhilA> issue-6?

ISSUE-6?

14:50:21 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

14:50:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

14:50:38 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Is this just hanging up? Can we do anything?

Hadley Beeman: Is this just hanging up? Can we do anything?

14:50:47 <bhyland1> Action: bhyland Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html

ACTION: bhyland Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html

14:50:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-08-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-148 - Fold in 10 steps to Linked Open Data from Denise W & Martin K, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2013Jun/0016.html [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2013-08-08].

14:51:14 <bhyland1> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:51:41 <olyerickson> never mind

John Erickson: never mind

14:51:56 <olyerickson> never mind

John Erickson: never mind

14:52:05 <fadmaa> that was before DCAT profiles and conformance

Fadi Maali: that was before DCAT profiles and conformance

14:52:07 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: It comes from eGov from ages ago...

Hadley Beeman: It comes from eGov from ages ago...

14:52:12 <fadmaa> I suggest we close it

Fadi Maali: I suggest we close it

14:52:15 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+

14:52:18 <fadmaa> Zakim, unmute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, unmute me

14:52:18 <Zakim> fadmaa should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should no longer be muted

14:52:34 <olyerickson> fadmaa:  is veeery faint...

Fadi Maali: is veeery faint... [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

14:52:53 <PhilA> fadmaa: ... [largely inaudible]

Fadi Maali: ... [largely inaudible]

14:53:06 <olyerickson> Q-

John Erickson: Q-

14:53:16 <PhilA> fadmaa: Talks about things like the DCAT Application profile.

Fadi Maali: Talks about things like the DCAT Application profile.

14:53:27 <PhilA> ... now that we have profiles, that seems to take care of it

... now that we have profiles, that seems to take care of it

14:53:42 <fadmaa> sure

Fadi Maali: sure

14:53:48 <olyerickson> I think ISSUE-6 is way out of scope, EVEN for BP

John Erickson: I think ISSUE-6 is way out of scope, EVEN for BP

14:53:49 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: Can you please put something in IRC or a mail so we can close it?

Hadley Beeman: Can you please put something in IRC or a mail so we can close it?

14:53:50 <fadmaa> Zakim, mute me

Fadi Maali: Zakim, mute me

14:53:50 <Zakim> fadmaa should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: fadmaa should now be muted

14:53:51 <PhilA> q?

q?

14:53:57 <PhilA> ack bhyland1

ack bhyland1

14:54:00 <bhyland1> https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users/47262

Bernadette Hyland: https://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/users/47262

14:54:02 <PhilA> ack bhyland

ack bhyland

14:54:22 <olyerickson> This was closed, cygri re-opened it, and I still think it is out-of-scope

John Erickson: This was closed, cygri re-opened it, and I still think it is out-of-scope

14:54:38 <PhilA> bhyland1: I have a whole bunch of actions that are open - do we need to go through them all on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: I have a whole bunch of actions that are open - do we need to go through them all on the call?

14:54:46 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: I think you can go through them

Hadley Beeman: I think you can go through them

14:55:01 <olyerickson> Unless we have specific worked examples about the suggested URI designs, what can we actually say that is substantitive

John Erickson: Unless we have specific worked examples about the suggested URI designs, what can we actually say that is substantitive

14:55:16 <PhilA> sandro: I see an action as a promise. We normally do them within the group but if it's really obvious that time has moved on then I'd say go ahead and close them

Sandro Hawke: I see an action as a promise. We normally do them within the group but if it's really obvious that time has moved on then I'd say go ahead and close them

14:55:17 <fadmaa> This issue mainly concerns how publishers can choose good URIs for values of non-literal properties such as dct_spatial and dct_temporal...

Fadi Maali: This issue mainly concerns how publishers can choose good URIs for values of non-literal properties such as dct_spatial and dct_temporal...

14:55:30 <bhyland1> ack bhyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland

14:55:39 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: maybe where necessary you could send a note to the list

Hadley Beeman: maybe where necessary you could send a note to the list

14:55:44 <PhilA> q+

q+

14:55:53 <PhilA> ack me

ack me

14:57:13 <olyerickson> POINT OF ORDER: Are we still talking about "ISSUE-6?" If not, what was our disposition of the issue?

John Erickson: POINT OF ORDER: Are we still talking about "ISSUE-6?" If not, what was our disposition of the issue?

14:57:29 <sandro> issue-6?

Sandro Hawke: ISSUE-6?

14:57:29 <trackbot> ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-6 -- How should publishers figure out good URIs for properties with non-literal ranges? -- raised

14:57:29 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/6

14:57:58 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson:  no, this is not issue-6.  Fadi is going to send us an email to explain the closure of Issue-6, and then it will be closed.

John Erickson: no, this is not ISSUE-6. Fadi is going to send us an email to explain the closure of ISSUE-6, and then it will be closed. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

14:58:21 <olyerickson> HadleyBeeman: thanks...excellent

Hadley Beeman: thanks...excellent [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

14:58:54 <olyerickson> Thanks all!

John Erickson: Thanks all!

14:59:00 <olyerickson> PhilA: have a great holiday!

Phil Archer: have a great holiday! [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

14:59:02 <PhilA> HadleyBeeman: No meeting next week. Next meeting is 16 August

Hadley Beeman: No meeting next week. Next meeting is 15 August

14:59:03 <BenediktKaempgen> thanks!

Benedikt Kaempgen: thanks!

14:59:03 <Zakim> -TallTed

Zakim IRC Bot: -TallTed

14:59:04 <MakxDekkers> bye

Makx Dekkers: bye

14:59:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

14:59:06 <Zakim> -bhyland1

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland1

14:59:08 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

14:59:09 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

14:59:10 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds1

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds1

14:59:13 <Zakim> -PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA

14:59:14 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

14:59:14 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen

14:59:21 <Zakim> - +34.63.926.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.63.926.aabb

14:59:22 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended

14:59:22 <Zakim> Attendees were +35386100aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds1, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, TallTed, bhyland1, +34.63.926.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +35386100aaaa, fadmaa, PhilA, Sandro, BenediktKaempgen, DaveReynolds1, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, TallTed, bhyland1, +34.63.926.aabb

14:59:26 <HadleyBeeman> s/16 August/15 August
14:59:38 <bhyland1> Ah, one question I meant to people was what are people using for conversion of simple tabular data to RDF?

Bernadette Hyland: Ah, one question I meant to people was what are people using for conversion of simple tabular data to RDF?

15:00:02 <bhyland1> Google Fusion still?

Bernadette Hyland: Google Fusion still?

15:00:05 <bhyland1> other tools?

Bernadette Hyland: other tools?

15:01:30 <PhilA> bhyland1: Ha! we have a whole WG about to look at that :-)  http://www.w3.org/2013/05/lcsv-charter.html

Bernadette Hyland: Ha! we have a whole WG about to look at that :-) http://www.w3.org/2013/05/lcsv-charter.html

15:01:52 <PhilA> but I think the answer is Open Refine (n�e Google Refine)

but I think the answer is Open Refine (n�e Google Refine)

15:05:20 <bhyland1> @PhilA, right it is a critical subject to have discussion & define best practices for but in the meantime, I need a recommendation for a working economist who wants to convert very simple tabular data to RDF.

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA, right it is a critical subject to have discussion & define best practices for but in the meantime, I need a recommendation for a working economist who wants to convert very simple tabular data to RDF.

15:05:55 <bhyland1> Right, http://code.google.com/p/google-refine/

Bernadette Hyland: Right, http://code.google.com/p/google-refine/

15:06:27 <bhyland1> That looks fine for his purposes & he is a Google Docs user so that is helpful.

Bernadette Hyland: That looks fine for his purposes & he is a Google Docs user so that is helpful.

15:07:38 <bhyland1> Take #2 - it has been moved to GitHub, see https://github.com/OpenRefine

Bernadette Hyland: Take #2 - it has been moved to GitHub, see https://github.com/OpenRefine



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