There are some format problems with the chatlog. Please correct them and reload this page. They are labeled on this page in a red box, like this message.
It may be helpful to
14:59:57 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-irc ←
14:59:59 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs world ←
15:00:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be GLD ←
15:00:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
15:00:02 <trackbot> Date: 20 December 2012
15:00:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM already started ←
15:00:10 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:00:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, [OpenLink]
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, [OpenLink] ←
15:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro ←
15:00:30 <MacTed> Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, [OpenLink] is temporarily me ←
15:00:30 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it ←
15:00:56 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me ←
15:00:56 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted ←
15:01:02 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +91.80.67.84.aaaa ←
15:01:26 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb ←
15:01:29 <PhilA> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
15:01:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA ←
15:01:37 <Zakim> + +90507301aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +90507301aacc ←
15:01:57 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:02:00 <PhilA> zakim, IPcaller is me
Phil Archer: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:02:00 <Zakim> +PhilA; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA; got it ←
15:02:40 <Zakim> +??P15
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P15 ←
15:02:54 <Zakim> +cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri ←
15:02:58 <agipap> zakim, +??P15 is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim, +??P15 is me ←
15:02:58 <Zakim> sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P15'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, agipap, I do not recognize a party named '+??P15' ←
15:03:02 <Makx> I am voip but don't know how to tell zakim that
Makx Dekkers: I am voip but don't know how to tell zakim that ←
15:03:03 <PhilA> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012Dec/0024.html
15:03:12 <agipap> zakim, ??P15 is me
Agis Papantoniou: zakim, ??P15 is me ←
15:03:12 <Zakim> +agipap; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +agipap; got it ←
15:03:58 <MacTed> Zakim, who's here?
Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, MacTed (muted), +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, MacTed (muted), +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri ←
15:03:59 <PhilA> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Biplav, cygri, DeirdreLee, agipap, GofranShu, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Biplav, cygri, DeirdreLee, agipap, GofranShu, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see bhyland, MacTed (muted), +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see bhyland, MacTed (muted), +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri ←
15:04:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see Biplav, cygri, DeirdreLee, agipap, GofranShu, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Biplav, cygri, DeirdreLee, agipap, GofranShu, Zakim, RRSAgent, PhilA, danbri, Makx, MacTed, trackbot, sandro ←
15:04:14 <PhilA> zakim, aaaa is Biplav
Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Biplav ←
15:04:14 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Biplav; got it ←
15:05:01 <PhilA> meeting: GLD Weekly Telecon
15:05:01 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:05:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri ←
15:05:10 <PhilA> chair: Bernadette
15:06:13 <PhilA> scribe: Biplav
(Scribe set to Biplav Srivastava)
15:06:17 <PhilA> scribeNick: Biplav
15:07:14 <Biplav> Bernadette: Gives opening remarks
Bernadette Hyland: Gives opening remarks ←
15:07:35 <bhyland> Review & accept minutes from last meeting, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-12-06
Bernadette Hyland: Review & accept minutes from last meeting, http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-12-06 ←
15:07:47 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:07:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, agipap, cygri ←
15:08:01 <bhyland> zakim, aabb is DeirdreLee
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aabb is DeirdreLee ←
15:08:01 <Zakim> +DeirdreLee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DeirdreLee; got it ←
15:08:14 <GofranShu> +1
Gofran Shukair: +1 ←
15:08:24 <bhyland> zakim, aacc is Makx
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aacc is Makx ←
15:08:24 <Zakim> +Makx; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Makx; got it ←
15:08:31 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:08:31 <Zakim> On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, DeirdreLee, Makx, PhilA, agipap, cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see davidwood, MacTed (muted), Biplav, DeirdreLee, Makx, PhilA, agipap, cygri ←
15:08:36 <PhilA> +1
Phil Archer: +1 ←
15:08:44 <bhyland> Minutes accepted
Bernadette Hyland: Minutes accepted ←
15:08:46 <agipap> +1
Agis Papantoniou: +1 ←
15:08:51 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:09:31 <PhilA> Collected LC comments on ORG http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments
Phil Archer: Collected LC comments on ORG http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ORG_LC_comments ←
15:09:42 <Biplav> Bernadette: last meeting; issues raised but not sure of resolutions.
Bernadette Hyland: last meeting; issues raised but nothing resolved. ←
15:10:49 <bhyland> s/not sure of resolutions/nothing resolved
15:11:25 <Makx> +q
Makx Dekkers: +q ←
15:12:11 <Biplav> Bernadette: Every WG member should review the status of different streams put together by Sandro.
Bernadette Hyland: Every WG member should review the status of different streams put together by Sandro. ←
15:12:13 <PhilA> ack Makx
Phil Archer: ack Makx ←
15:13:03 <Biplav> Makx: There was a discussion on vocab reuse by email. Should we take it off-line or in this call?
Makx Dekkers: There was a discussion on vocab reuse by email. Should we take it off-line or in this call? ←
15:13:33 <Biplav> Comment: Given we have open slot due to last minute change, vocab reuse could be discussed in the call.
Scribe problem: the name 'Comment' does not match any of the 69 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Dan Gillman Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Hausenblas Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Comment: Given we have open slot due to last minute change, vocab reuse could be discussed in the call. ←
15:15:48 <Biplav> Agenda change: Serafín Olcoz will note be presenting on Open Assets today.
Agenda change: Serafín Olcoz will note be presenting on Open Assets today. ←
15:17:13 <Biplav> Makx: Making request to have 10-15 mins discussion on vocab reuse.
Makx Dekkers: Making request to have 10-15 mins discussion on vocab reuse. ←
15:17:18 <bhyland> Topic: RegORG
15:17:20 <PhilA> ->Reg Org ed draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html
Phil Archer: ->Reg Org ed draft http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html ←
15:18:23 <Biplav> PhilA: Outstanding issues highlighted in the latest version.
Phil Archer: Outstanding issues highlighted in the latest version. ←
15:20:00 <Biplav> PhilA: Make this FPWD candidate.
Phil Archer: Make this FPWD candidate. ←
15:20:10 <Biplav> Bernadette: Is there a reference implementation?
Bernadette Hyland: Is there a reference implementation? ←
15:20:54 <Biplav> PhilA: Business Registers can be seen as existing implementations (England, Australia, ..)
Phil Archer: Business Registers can be seen as existing implementations (England, Australia, ..) ←
15:20:55 <bhyland> Would it make sense to have history / genesis of a vocabulary in the introduction? Or might that be considered inappropriate/unnecessary ...
Bernadette Hyland: Would it make sense to have history / genesis of a vocabulary in the introduction? Or might that be considered inappropriate/unnecessary ... ←
15:21:52 <bhyland> PhilA: ChrisT w/ Open Corporates has used an earlier version of this. But the real implementation of this has been done by Agis for public spending...
Phil Archer: ChrisT w/ Open Corporates has used an earlier version of this. But the real implementation of this has been done by Agis for public spending... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:22:02 <Biplav> PhilA: The closest implementation is by Agisilaos Papantoniou
Phil Archer: The closest implementation is by Agisilaos Papantoniou ←
15:22:34 <bhyland> … for Greek Government payments & receivables
Bernadette Hyland: … for Greek Government payments & receivables ←
15:23:25 <Biplav> Agis: Thousands of companies registered in their implementation (Greece)
Agis Papantoniou: Thousands of companies registered in their implementation (Greece) ←
15:24:48 <Biplav> PhilA: Interest from Sweden, interest from more regions, pent up demand.
Phil Archer: Interest from Sweden, interest from more regions, pent up demand. ←
15:26:00 <Biplav> PhilA: UML diagram has been added, simplified.
Phil Archer: UML diagram has been added, simplified. ←
15:27:56 <Biplav> PhilA: RegOrg is designed for companies that come into being due to some registration process. <Further describes the intent>
Phil Archer: RegOrg is designed for companies that come into being due to some registration process. <Further describes the intent> ←
15:28:33 <bhyland> … Phil walked through diagram for RegOrg.
Bernadette Hyland: … Phil walked through diagram for RegOrg. ←
15:28:51 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:28:59 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
15:29:52 <Biplav> PhilA: Since companies are registered, adms:identifier is used to describe the registration identification.
Phil Archer: Since companies are registered, adms:identifier is used to describe the registration identification. ←
15:30:38 <Biplav> PhilA: Open address on how to have address for organization.
Phil Archer: Open issue on how to have issue for organization. ←
15:30:49 <Biplav> s/address/issue
15:33:13 <Biplav> PhilA: Describes INSPIRE mandate by EU on how to publish geo-spatial data, .... and how it impacts address description in EU.
Phil Archer: Describes INSPIRE mandate by EU on how to publish geo-spatial data, .... and how it impacts address description in EU. ←
15:33:14 <bhyland> PhilA: Mentioned EU Commission initiative INSPIRE, see http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/
Phil Archer: Mentioned EU Commission initiative INSPIRE, see http://inspire.jrc.ec.europa.eu/ [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:33:47 <bhyland> EU requirements for conforment addresses …
Bernadette Hyland: EU requirements for conforment addresses … ←
15:34:50 <bhyland> PhilA: We should be agnostic about specifying addresses. We know there are compliance issues regarding expressing addresses in EU.
Phil Archer: We should be agnostic about specifying addresses. We know there are compliance issues regarding expressing addresses in EU. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:35:09 <Biplav> PhilA: Discussion on issue 47.
Phil Archer: Discussion on ISSUE-47. ←
15:35:55 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:36:00 <bhyland> ack bhyland
Bernadette Hyland: ack bhyland ←
15:36:06 <cygri> ORG profile: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#conformance
Richard Cyganiak: ORG profile: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#conformance ←
15:36:28 <Biplav> Issue 47: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47
ISSUE-47: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/47 ←
15:39:48 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
15:40:06 <Yigal> zakim, IPcaller is me
Yigal Arens: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
15:40:06 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it ←
15:42:10 <agipap> http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/organizationsOntology.owl
Agis Papantoniou: http://publicspending.medialab.ntua.gr/organizationsOntology.owl ←
15:42:12 <bhyland> cygri: I suggest that RegOrg conformance section conform to ORG profile:
Richard Cyganiak: I suggest that RegOrg conformance section include reference to ORG profile ORG profile: [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> An ORG profile is a specification for data interchange that adds additional constraints to ORG. Additional constraints in a profile may include (but are not limited to):
Bernadette Hyland: An ORG profile is a specification for data interchange that adds additional constraints to ORG. Additional constraints in a profile may include (but are not limited to): ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> • a minimum set of required terms;
Bernadette Hyland: • a minimum set of required terms; ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> • classes and properties for additional terms not covered in ORG;
Bernadette Hyland: • classes and properties for additional terms not covered in ORG; ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> • controlled vocabularies or controlled sets of URIs to use as acceptable values for properties;
Bernadette Hyland: • controlled vocabularies or controlled sets of URIs to use as acceptable values for properties; ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> • guidance on use of pairs of inverse properties (such as selecting only one member of the pair to be included, or requiring that both members be explicitly included);
Bernadette Hyland: • guidance on use of pairs of inverse properties (such as selecting only one member of the pair to be included, or requiring that both members be explicitly included); ←
15:42:13 <bhyland> • guidance on choice of modelling approach for roles (see http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#reporting_structure ).
Bernadette Hyland: • guidance on choice of modelling approach for roles (see http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-org/#reporting_structure ). ←
15:43:50 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:45:40 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
15:45:46 <bhyland> s/conformance section conform to/conformance section include reference to ORG profile
15:45:54 <bhyland> great!
Bernadette Hyland: great! ←
15:46:10 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
15:46:20 <Biplav> PhilA: For FPWD, we can keep it and resolve it with more discussion.
Richard Cyganiak: For FPWD, we can keep it and resolve it with more discussion. ←
15:46:36 <PhilA> s/PhilA/Cygri/
15:47:27 <PhilA> proposed resolution: that RegOrg as currently at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html be moved to First Public Working Draft
Phil Archer: proposed resolution: that RegOrg as currently at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html be moved to First Public Working Draft ←
15:47:46 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:48:00 <Biplav> +1
+1 ←
15:48:06 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
15:48:26 <MacTed> +1
Ted Thibodeau: +1 ←
15:48:33 <Makx> +1
Makx Dekkers: +1 ←
15:48:35 <agipap> +1
Agis Papantoniou: +1 ←
15:48:39 <bhyland> approved
Bernadette Hyland: approved ←
15:49:14 <PhilA> Resolution: that RegOrg as currently at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html be moved to First Public Working Draft
RESOLVED: that RegOrg as currently at http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/legal/index.html be moved to First Public Working Draft ←
15:49:37 <cygri> applause!
Richard Cyganiak: applause! ←
15:49:49 <Biplav> Topic: Reuse of vocabs
15:50:29 <bhyland> Should W3C vocabs include vocabs that are outside W3C process?
Bernadette Hyland: Should W3C vocabs include vocabs that are outside W3C process? ←
15:51:21 <Biplav> Makx: would like to know the feedback of the WG beyond what has already been exchanged over email.
Makx Dekkers: would like to know the feedback of the WG beyond what has already been exchanged over email. ←
15:52:09 <bhyland> Reference: From: Makx Dekkers [mailto:mail@makxdekkers.com]
Scribe problem: the name 'Reference' does not match any of the 69 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Dan Gillman Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Hausenblas Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Reference: From: Makx Dekkers [mailto:mail@makxdekkers.com] [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:52:09 <bhyland> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:03 AM
Scribe problem: the name 'Sent' does not match any of the 69 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Dan Gillman Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Hausenblas Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 11:03 AM [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:52:09 <bhyland> To: Public GLD WG
Tope Omitola: Public GLD WG [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:52:09 <bhyland> Cc: Sandro Hawke; Phil Archer
Scribe problem: the name 'Cc' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Richard Cyganiak Cory Casanave Sarven Capadisli . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.
Unknown Cc: Sandro Hawke; Phil Archer [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:52:09 <bhyland> Subject: Referencing FOAF
Scribe problem: the name 'Subject' does not match any of the 69 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Agis Papantoniou Aitor Moreno Anne Washington Asunción Gómez Pérez Bart van Leeuwen Bede McCall Benedikt Kaempgen Bernadette Hyland Biplav Srivastava Boris Villazón-Terrazas Caroline Burle Chris Beer Chris Musialek Christophe Gueret Cory Casanave Dan Gillman Daniel Mekonnen Daniel Vila Dave Reynolds David Smith David Price Deirdre Lee Denise Warzel Elena Montiel Ponsoda Eric VonColln Fadi Maali George Thomas Gerald Steeman Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gofran Shukair Hadley Beeman Irene Polikoff James McKinney Jindřich Mynarz Joao Almeida John Goodwin John Sheridan John Erickson Jorge Gracia Luis Bermudez Lyle Burgoon Makx Dekkers Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kaltenböck Martín Álvarez Michael Hausenblas Michael Pendleton Mohamed ZERGAOUI Phil Archer Raf Buyle Raj Singh Raphaël Troncy Richard Cyganiak Sandro Hawke Sarven Capadisli Serafin Olcoz Stasinos Konstantopoulos Ted Thibodeau Tina Gheen Tope Omitola William Brafford Yaso Córdova Yigal Arens Yosuke Funahashi Zachary Whitley Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Subject: Referencing FOAF [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:52:54 <bhyland> Makx: Would hate to see W3C reinvent the wheel for deployed vocabularies.
Makx Dekkers: Would hate to see W3C reinvent the wheel for deployed vocabularies. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:53:33 <bhyland> … Some discussion for a community of vocabulary owners/maintainers to guarantee longterm availability of vocabularies.
Bernadette Hyland: … Some discussion for a community of vocabulary owners/maintainers to guarantee longterm availability of vocabularies. ←
15:53:55 <bhyland> … It is a wide issue that affects any initiative using vocabs.
Bernadette Hyland: … It is a wide issue that affects any initiative using vocabs. ←
15:53:58 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
15:54:21 <Biplav> PhilA: Option [2] is the answer. Explains his reasons ...
Phil Archer: Option [2] is the answer. Explains his reasons ... ←
15:55:42 <bhyland> PhilA: Recalled discussions in prior W3C standards activities (i.e., POWER), any vocab that depends upon any one person versus an organization with a published (stewardship) plan.
Phil Archer: Recalled discussions in prior W3C standards activities (i.e., POWDER), any vocab that depends upon any one person versus an organization with a published (stewardship) plan. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:56:08 <cygri> q+
Richard Cyganiak: q+ ←
15:56:15 <PhilA> ack bhyland
Phil Archer: ack bhyland ←
15:56:20 <Biplav> q+
q+ ←
15:57:23 <Biplav> Bhyland: Makx question is at the core of LD.
Bernadette Hyland: Makx question is at the core of LD. ←
15:58:28 <Biplav> Bhyland: publishing vocab puts an implicit social contract that one would be keeping the vocab alive for a while.
Bernadette Hyland: publishing vocab puts an implicit social contract that one would be keeping the vocab alive for a while. ←
15:58:54 <bhyland> … W3C has no hesitation in recommending standards / vocabs defined by others.
Bernadette Hyland: … W3C has no hesitation in recommending standards / vocabs defined by others. ←
16:00:21 <PhilA> I've done some work on this recently... http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/semic/document/10-rules-persistent-uris
Phil Archer: I've done some work on this recently... http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/semic/document/10-rules-persistent-uris ←
16:00:50 <cygri> q?
Richard Cyganiak: q? ←
16:00:53 <Biplav> Bhyland: There should be a checklist when someone is putting a vocab in public domain, in best practice document.
Bernadette Hyland: There should be a checklist when someone is putting a vocab in public domain, in best practice document. ←
16:01:26 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:01:37 <PhilA> ack cygri
Phil Archer: ack cygri ←
16:02:29 <bhyland> cygri: We've (DERI) done some work on conformance to a vocabulary and what it means.
Richard Cyganiak: We've (DERI) done some work on conformance to a vocabulary and what it means. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:02:33 <Biplav> Cygri: reuse can done in a few ways. (a) Conformance is one way.
Richard Cyganiak: reuse can done in a few ways. (a) Conformance is one way. ←
16:04:03 <bhyland> … We shouldn't normatively depend on vocabs not defined by an open, consensus driven process...
Bernadette Hyland: … We shouldn't normatively depend on vocabs not defined by an open, consensus driven process... ←
16:04:05 <Biplav> Cygri: shouldn't normatively depend on others who have not gone through a formal process.
Richard Cyganiak: shouldn't normatively depend on others who have not gone through a formal process. ←
16:04:30 <PhilA> This is relevant to ISSUE-50 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/50
Phil Archer: This is relevant to ISSUE-50 http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/issues/50 ←
16:04:55 <PhilA> s/POWER/POWDER/
16:05:23 <Biplav> Cygri: We normally mean a weaker form. Who has authority to change and how much is the impact.
Richard Cyganiak: We normally mean a weaker form. Who has authority to change and how much is the impact. ←
16:05:36 <Makx> q+
Makx Dekkers: q+ ←
16:05:54 <bhyland> cygri: Not as worried about resources 404'ing rather, more concerned about changing underlying vocabs that are the building blocks of the LOD cloud...
Richard Cyganiak: Not as worried about resources 404'ing rather, more concerned about changing underlying vocabs that are the building blocks of the LOD cloud... [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:07:04 <Biplav> Bhyland: let's revisit again. Important to get it right or we will have backlash. We need to be rigorous.
Bernadette Hyland: let's revisit again. Important to get it right or we will have backlash. We need to be rigorous. ←
16:07:05 <PhilA> My understanding of cygri's words: The notion of conformance that we define should not depend on factors that are not controlled as carefully as our own work - to which +1
Phil Archer: My understanding of cygri's words: The notion of conformance that we define should not depend on factors that are not controlled as carefully as our own work - to which +1 ←
16:07:27 <cygri> PhilA, exactly.
Richard Cyganiak: PhilA, exactly. ←
16:07:52 <PhilA> ack Biplav
Phil Archer: ack Biplav ←
16:07:52 <bhyland> q?
Bernadette Hyland: q? ←
16:08:22 <PhilA> Biplav: This problem keeps being repeated, whether it's vocabularies, papers, wiki entries etc., There are patterns of how this is addressed and we should come back to it
Biplav Srivastava: This problem keeps being repeated, whether it's vocabularies, papers, wiki entries etc., There are patterns of how this is addressed and we should come back to it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:08:28 <PhilA> ack Makx
Phil Archer: ack Makx ←
16:08:58 <bhyland> Biplav: This issue is repeated & there are patterns that we should keep in mind to guide our deliverables/guidance/best practices
Biplav Srivastava: This issue is repeated & there are patterns that we should keep in mind to guide our deliverables/guidance/best practices [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:09:10 <Biplav> Makx: we should have criteria.
Makx Dekkers: we should have criteria. ←
16:09:11 <PhilA> Makx: Everyone's pointing to a set of criteria. OK, but we eitehr have a local set or we may want to share those criteria - maybe in our BP document
Makx Dekkers: Everyone's pointing to a set of criteria. OK, but we eitehr have a local set or we may want to share those criteria - maybe in our BP document [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:09:43 <PhilA> bhyland: Thanks to everyone for showing up today and throughout the year. Expresses appreciation for everyone's volunteer effort
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks to everyone for showing up today and throughout the year. Expresses appreciation for everyone's volunteer effort [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
16:09:57 <Makx> NO I meant that we should asy in BP that you need to set your own criteria, and maybe later share a commoin set with others
Makx Dekkers: NO I meant that we should asy in BP that you need to set your own criteria, and maybe later share a commoin set with others ←
16:10:18 <Zakim> -Yigal
Zakim IRC Bot: -Yigal ←
16:10:23 <Zakim> -MacTed
Zakim IRC Bot: -MacTed ←
16:10:26 <Zakim> -cygri
Zakim IRC Bot: -cygri ←
16:10:30 <Zakim> -agipap
Zakim IRC Bot: -agipap ←
16:10:30 <GofranShu> thanks bye
Gofran Shukair: thanks bye ←
16:10:31 <Zakim> -PhilA
Zakim IRC Bot: -PhilA ←
16:10:31 <bhyland> Meeting & GLD WG for 2012 is officially adjourned! Happy Chanuka, Kwanza and Christmas to you all!
Bernadette Hyland: Meeting & GLD WG for 2012 is officially adjourned! Happy Chanuka, Kwanza and Christmas to you all! ←
16:10:32 <Zakim> -DeirdreLee
Zakim IRC Bot: -DeirdreLee ←
16:10:44 <bhyland> Enjoy the Winter Solstice tommorw!
Bernadette Hyland: Enjoy the Winter Solstice tommorow! ←
16:10:54 <bhyland> s/tommorw/tommorow
16:10:58 <Zakim> -Makx
Zakim IRC Bot: -Makx ←
16:12:14 <bhyland> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
Bernadette Hyland: RRSAgent, set logs world-visible ←
16:12:21 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Bernadette Hyland: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
16:12:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland ←
16:17:17 <Zakim> -bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland ←
16:17:39 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me
Bernadette Hyland: zakim, davidwood is me ←
16:17:39 <Zakim> sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'davidwood'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bhyland, I do not recognize a party named 'davidwood' ←
16:17:43 <bhyland> ok
Bernadette Hyland: ok ←
16:17:47 <Zakim> -Biplav
Zakim IRC Bot: -Biplav ←
16:17:48 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended ←
16:17:48 <Zakim> Attendees were davidwood, MacTed, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, cygri, agipap, Biplav, DeirdreLee, Makx, Yigal
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were davidwood, MacTed, +91.80.67.84.aaaa, +3539149aabb, +90507301aacc, PhilA, cygri, agipap, Biplav, DeirdreLee, Makx, Yigal ←
16:18:40 <bhyland> PhilA - RRS is being cranky with me ...
Bernadette Hyland: PhilA - RRS is being cranky with me ... ←
16:18:44 <bhyland> I'm getting:
Bernadette Hyland: I'm getting: ←
16:18:45 <bhyland> Not Found
Bernadette Hyland: Not Found ←
16:18:45 <bhyland> The requested URL /2011/gld/wiki/index.php was not found on this server.
Bernadette Hyland: The requested URL /2011/gld/wiki/index.php was not found on this server. ←
16:18:45 <bhyland> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Bernadette Hyland: Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. ←
16:19:05 <bhyland> An unfamiliar error msg. Any ideas?
Bernadette Hyland: An unfamiliar error msg. Any ideas? ←
16:23:11 <MacTed> RRSAgent, set logs public
Ted Thibodeau: RRSAgent, set logs public ←
16:23:14 <bhyland> RRSAgent, generate minutes
Bernadette Hyland: RRSAgent, generate minutes ←
16:23:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html bhyland ←
16:23:16 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
16:23:25 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes
Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←
16:23:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html PhilA
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/12/20-gld-minutes.html PhilA ←
16:23:51 <MacTed> logs have to be generated, before the "public" set will take effect
Ted Thibodeau: logs have to be generated, before the "public" set will take effect ←
16:24:03 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public
Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←
16:24:15 <bhyland> ok, thanks.
Bernadette Hyland: ok, thanks. ←
16:24:43 <PhilA> bhyland: You need to set the permission on the logs - easy to forget
Bernadette Hyland: You need to set the permission on the logs - easy to forget [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
Formatted by CommonScribe