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Telecon20120816

Minutes of 16 August 2012

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120816
Seen
Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, Biplav Srivastava, Dave Reynolds, George Thomas, John Erickson, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen, Yigal Arens
Chair
George Thomas
Scribe
Benedikt Kaempgen
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
13:55:48 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-gld-irc

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13:55:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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13:55:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
13:55:55 <trackbot> Date: 16 August 2012
13:56:09 <bhyland> Agenda for today's call:  http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120816

Bernadette Hyland: Agenda for today's call:  http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120816

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13:59:07 <Zakim> +George_Thomas

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13:59:32 <Zakim> +David

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13:59:45 <bhyland> zakim, david is me

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, david is me

13:59:45 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it

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14:00:09 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here?

14:00:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, George_Thomas, bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, George_Thomas, bhyland

14:00:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, bhyland, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, bhyland, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

14:00:24 <Zakim> +hhalpin

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14:00:30 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, aabb is BenediktKaempgen

14:00:30 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

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14:00:34 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here?

14:00:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

14:00:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, bhyland, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BartvanLeeuwen, olyerickson, BenediktKaempgen, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, bhyland, MacTed, trackbot, sandro

14:00:53 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:00:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +91.80.49.07.aaaa, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

14:00:57 <bhyland> zakim, aaaa is Biplav

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, aaaa is Biplav

14:00:58 <Zakim> +Biplav; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Biplav; got it

14:01:20 <bhyland> zakim, who is on the call?

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, who is on the call?

14:01:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin

14:01:22 <Zakim> +??P17

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14:01:34 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim ??p17 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim ??p17 is me

14:01:52 <BartvanLeeuwen> it is

Bart van Leeuwen: it is

14:02:01 <BartvanLeeuwen> but zakim doesn't react ?

Bart van Leeuwen: but zakim doesn't react ?

14:02:17 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p17 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??p17 is me

14:02:17 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

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14:02:51 <bhyland> anyone else looked at Fadi et al's pres, see http://www.slideshare.net/fadimaali/selfservice-linked-government-data

Bernadette Hyland: anyone else looked at Fadi et al's pres, see http://www.slideshare.net/fadimaali/selfservice-linked-government-data

14:03:06 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone?

14:03:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin, BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, hhalpin, BartvanLeeuwen

14:03:08 <Zakim> +sandro

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14:03:13 <Zakim> +??P22

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14:03:19 <BenediktKaempgen> George, do you want me to scribe?

Benedikt Kaempgen: George, do you want me to scribe?

14:03:23 <DaveReynolds> zakim, ??P22 is me

Dave Reynolds: zakim, ??P22 is me

14:03:23 <Zakim> +DaveReynolds; got it

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14:03:49 <olyerickson> zakim, who is speaking?

John Erickson: zakim, who is speaking?

14:03:55 <BenediktKaempgen> Meeting: Telecon20120816
14:04:00 <Zakim> olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (5%), hhalpin (80%), sandro (8%)

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: bhyland (5%), hhalpin (80%), sandro (8%)

14:04:17 <BenediktKaempgen> Chair: George
14:04:29 <BenediktKaempgen> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120816
14:04:37 <olyerickson> zakim, hhalpin.

John Erickson: zakim, hhalpin.

14:04:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'hhalpin', olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'hhalpin', olyerickson

14:04:38 <BenediktKaempgen> Scribe: Benedikt

(Scribe set to Benedikt Kaempgen)

14:04:50 <BenediktKaempgen> ScribeNick: BenediktKaempgen
14:05:02 <olyerickson> zakim, mute hhalpin.

John Erickson: zakim, mute hhalpin.

14:05:02 <Zakim> hhalpin should now be muted

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14:05:12 <olyerickson> i'm talking

John Erickson: i'm talking

14:05:19 <bhyland> zakim, unmute hhalpin

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, unmute hhalpin

14:05:19 <Zakim> hhalpin should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: hhalpin should no longer be muted

14:05:24 <olyerickson> how do we switch then?

John Erickson: how do we switch then?

14:05:31 <Zakim> +[LC]

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14:05:31 <bhyland> zakim, hhalpin olyerickson

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, hhalpin olyerickson

14:05:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'hhalpin olyerickson', bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'hhalpin olyerickson', bhyland

14:05:42 <tinagheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

14:05:42 <Zakim> +tinagheen; got it

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14:05:49 <bhyland> zakim, hhalpin is olyerickson

Bernadette Hyland: zakim, hhalpin is olyerickson

14:05:49 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

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14:06:03 <George> zakim, who is on the call?

George Thomas: zakim, who is on the call?

14:06:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, sandro, DaveReynolds, tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, olyerickson, BartvanLeeuwen, sandro, DaveReynolds, tinagheen

14:06:10 <olyerickson> zakim, mute olyerickson.

John Erickson: zakim, mute olyerickson.

14:06:10 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

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14:07:01 <sandro> zakim, hhalpin is olyerickson

Sandro Hawke: zakim, hhalpin is olyerickson

14:07:01 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'hhalpin'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'hhalpin'

14:07:10 <BenediktKaempgen> TOPIC: TPAC & F2F?

1. TPAC & F2F?

14:07:19 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

14:07:19 <Zakim> On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, olyerickson (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, sandro, DaveReynolds, tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Biplav, BenediktKaempgen, George_Thomas, bhyland, olyerickson (muted), BartvanLeeuwen, sandro, DaveReynolds, tinagheen

14:07:34 <BenediktKaempgen> Bart: Whether to have F2F at TPAC was not discussed. Will it happen? Unresolved.

Bart van Leeuwen: Whether to have F2F at TPAC was not discussed. Will it happen? Unresolved.

14:07:48 <BenediktKaempgen> George: No GLD f2f planned at TPAC

George Thomas: No GLD f2f planned at TPAC

14:07:55 <bhyland> Question from Bart: Did we make a definitive decision re: having our next F2F at TPAC?

Bernadette Hyland: Question from Bart: Did we make a definitive decision re: having our next F2F at TPAC?

14:08:23 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: who is going to TPAC?

Bernadette Hyland: who is going to TPAC?

14:09:08 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: I am planning to go.

Bernadette Hyland: I am planning to go.

14:09:11 <sandro> I expect to be at TPAC, the whole week

Sandro Hawke: I expect to be at TPAC, the whole week

14:09:17 <BenediktKaempgen> Bart: Going there, but not entire time.

Bart van Leeuwen: Going there, but not entire time.

14:09:31 <bhyland> Attending TPAC - Sandro, Bart, Bernadette …

Bernadette Hyland: Attending TPAC - Sandro, Bart, Bernadette …

14:10:36 <BenediktKaempgen> George, how about last minutes?

George, how about last minutes?

14:10:51 <BenediktKaempgen> TOPIC: Proposal to accept the 2012-07-26 minutes.

2. Proposal to accept the 2012-07-26 minutes.

14:10:54 <olyerickson> +1 to minutes

John Erickson: +1 to minutes

14:11:00 <BenediktKaempgen> minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-07-26

minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-07-26

14:11:04 <Zakim> +??P21

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14:11:13 <Yigal> zakim, ??p21 is me

Yigal Arens: zakim, ??p21 is me

14:11:13 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yigal; got it

14:11:20 <BenediktKaempgen> minutes accepted

minutes accepted

14:11:35 <BenediktKaempgen> TOPIC: Linked Data Glossary update - Bernadette

3. Linked Data Glossary update - Bernadette

14:11:27 <bhyland> See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: See https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

14:12:08 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: if googling for "linked data glossary" nothing very useful is coming

Bernadette Hyland: if googling for "linked data glossary" nothing very useful is coming

14:13:31 <BenediktKaempgen> ... currently, there is no good result coming.

... currently, there is no good result coming.

14:14:05 <BenediktKaempgen> ... asked Tom Heath whether to look at current status of our glossary.

... asked Tom Heath whether to look at current status of our glossary.

14:14:26 <BenediktKaempgen> ... asked him to put up link to linkeddata.org, he agreed

... asked him to put up link to linkeddata.org, he agreed

14:14:53 <BenediktKaempgen> ... I assumes that it is possible to clean our current LD glossary in a week

... I assume that it is possible to clean our current LD glossary in a week

14:15:16 <BenediktKaempgen> s/assumes/assume/
14:15:53 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:15:53 <BenediktKaempgen> george: great idea to have a new version of glossary which is "approved" by Tom.

George Thomas: great idea to have a new version of glossary which is "approved" by Tom.

14:16:00 <olyerickson> unmute me.

John Erickson: unmute me.

14:16:04 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: tell me whether worth the effort?

Bernadette Hyland: tell me whether worth the effort?

14:16:11 <DaveReynolds> Seems like a good thing to do.

Dave Reynolds: Seems like a good thing to do.

14:16:15 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

John Erickson: zakim, unmute me.

14:16:15 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted

14:16:17 <tinagheen> yes, worth the effort

Tina Gheen: yes, worth the effort

14:17:15 <bhyland> I invite anyone on this call, in the group or our larger community to send Ghislain & me improved wording of definitions so we can publish a decent, useful, canonical glossary.

Bernadette Hyland: I invite anyone on this call, in the group or our larger community to send Ghislain & me improved wording of definitions so we can publish a decent, useful, canonical glossary.

14:17:38 <BenediktKaempgen> olyerickson: canonical glossary is important, if someone would be willing to work on it, that would be awesome.

John Erickson: canonical glossary is important, if someone would be willing to work on it, that would be awesome.

14:18:18 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: I want under w3c domain a decent LD glossary

Bernadette Hyland: I want under w3c domain a decent LD glossary

14:19:00 <Yigal> A google search brings up In the second position http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

Yigal Arens: A google search brings up In the second position http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html

14:19:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for having it under the w3c domain

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 for having it under the w3c domain

14:19:10 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: wants to know whether someone wants to add feedback to the current glossary.

Bernadette Hyland: wants to know whether someone wants to add feedback to the current glossary.

14:19:13 <olyerickson> Now I get it...thanks...apologies for missing the poit

John Erickson: Now I get it...thanks...apologies for missing the point

14:19:20 <olyerickson> s/poit/point/
14:19:39 <bhyland> no worries John, I'm sorry I wasn't clear in the beginning.

Bernadette Hyland: no worries John, I'm sorry I wasn't clear in the beginning.

14:20:02 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: WG note would be more efficient but would be difficult to update

Sandro Hawke: WG note would be more efficient but would be difficult to update

14:20:44 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: a wiki would be possible, too, but depending on what wiki is chosen, more or less people are possible to change it.

Sandro Hawke: a wiki would be possible, too, but depending on what wiki is chosen, more or less people are possible to change it.

14:21:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q

Bart van Leeuwen: +q

14:21:26 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: question is whether only working group participant should change the glossary or all people that have an W3C account.

Sandro Hawke: question is whether only working group participant should change the glossary or all people that have an W3C account.

14:21:29 <bhyland> Agreed to speak to Ivan Herman, Semantic Web activity lead

Bernadette Hyland: Agreed to speak to Ivan Herman, Semantic Web activity lead

14:21:54 <DaveReynolds> I'd also advocate using the Wiki so its a community resource which can be maintained.

Dave Reynolds: I'd also advocate using the Wiki so its a community resource which can be maintained.

14:21:55 <bhyland> The semantic web wiki is here http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Main_Page

Bernadette Hyland: The semantic web wiki is here http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Main_Page

14:22:04 <BenediktKaempgen> Bart: Prefers solution where every W3C member can edit it

Bart van Leeuwen: Prefers solution where every W3C member can edit it

14:22:14 <BenediktKaempgen> ... otherwise it gets outdated, quickly.

... otherwise it gets outdated, quickly.

14:22:52 <Biplav> Biplav: prefers W3C member editing

Biplav Srivastava: prefers W3C member editing [ Scribe Assist by Biplav Srivastava ]

14:23:17 <BenediktKaempgen> ACTION: bhyland to ask Ivan and group about possible options for decent glossary location

ACTION: bhyland to ask Ivan and group about possible options for decent glossary location

14:23:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Ask Ivan and group about possible options for decent glossary location [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-08-23].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-74 - Ask Ivan and group about possible options for decent glossary location [on Bernadette Hyland - due 2012-08-23].

14:24:14 <BenediktKaempgen> george: any chance that Tom updates its page according to our changes to LD glossary.

George Thomas: any chance that Tom updates its page according to our changes to LD glossary.

14:24:59 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:25:07 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: yes, if group is motivated enough to put some effort in it. Also, there is nothing against having several glossaries, e.g., another glossary by Tom.

Bernadette Hyland: yes, if group is motivated enough to put some effort in it. Also, there is nothing against having several glossaries, e.g., another glossary by Tom.

14:25:12 <George> ack BartvanLeeuwen

George Thomas: ack BartvanLeeuwen

14:25:36 <BenediktKaempgen> Topic: FPWD vocab progress

4. FPWD vocab progress

14:25:55 <olyerickson> Rec track reference: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance

John Erickson: Rec track reference: http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#rec-advance

14:26:09 <BenediktKaempgen> george: most progress on dcat (related to void)

George Thomas: most progress on dcat (related to void)

14:26:43 <BenediktKaempgen> ... Dave maybe put a possible date for another QB session

... Dave maybe put a possible date for another QB session

14:27:45 <BenediktKaempgen> ... open up for general discussion about the current status

... open up for general discussion about the current status

14:28:17 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: getting the vocabularies to last call means that group has resolved all issues.

Sandro Hawke: getting the vocabularies to last call means that group has resolved all issues.

14:28:36 <BenediktKaempgen> ... then it can be reviewed by the more general public

... then it can be reviewed by the more general public

14:28:58 <bhyland> Here is the detail on Last Call Announcement, see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#last-call

Bernadette Hyland: Here is the detail on Last Call Announcement, see http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr#last-call

14:29:15 <BenediktKaempgen> ... if big changes are introduced, several last calls are possible.

... if big changes are introduced, several last calls are possible.

14:29:38 <bhyland> Note, "Duration of the review: The announcement begins a review period that SHOULD last at least three weeks but MAY last longer if the technical report is complex or has significant external dependencies."

Bernadette Hyland: Note, "Duration of the review: The announcement begins a review period that SHOULD last at least three weeks but MAY last longer if the technical report is complex or has significant external dependencies."

14:29:40 <BenediktKaempgen> ... we run the risk to be too narrow in the WG

... we run the risk to be too narrow in the WG

14:30:43 <BenediktKaempgen> george: dcat - how much community involvement do we need to get to consensus?

George Thomas: dcat - how much community involvement do we need to get to consensus?

14:31:11 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: pretty good status. People had their chances to contribute.

Sandro Hawke: pretty good status. People had their chances to contribute.

14:31:40 <BenediktKaempgen> george: dcat to put in last call this fall should be possible

George Thomas: dcat to put in last call this fall should be possible

14:31:43 <BenediktKaempgen> sandro: yes

Sandro Hawke: yes

14:32:27 <olyerickson> Note, In addition to "People" isn't there "Location?" Or did we set that aside

John Erickson: Note, In addition to "People" isn't there "Location?" Or did we set that aside

14:32:45 <BenediktKaempgen> george: data-cube - what is the state here?

George Thomas: data-cube - what is the state here?

14:33:09 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: Cube needs at least one more working draft.

Dave Reynolds: Cube needs at least one more working draft.

14:34:14 <BenediktKaempgen> ... regarding current issues, I think they are either out of scope or easy to resolve

... regarding current issues, I think they are either out of scope or easy to resolve

14:34:51 <BenediktKaempgen> ... there are lively discussions on new features, e.g., units of measures. I think there is no reason to change cube.

... there are lively discussions on new features, e.g., units of measures. I think there is no reason to change cube.

14:35:24 <BenediktKaempgen> ... there are efforts to have some cube+, with more OLAP features. But risk of scope-creep.

... there are efforts to have some cube+, with more OLAP features. But risk of scope-creep.

14:36:40 <BenediktKaempgen> ... aim would be to have over the next 1-2 months a cube session and create a new working draft, that is then put to last call for wider reviewing.

... aim would be to have over the next 1-2 months a cube session and create a new working draft, that is then put to last call for wider reviewing.

14:37:20 <olyerickson> For clarification, one of our grad students on PROV is asking questions/making suggestions wrt DataCube/PROV usage

John Erickson: For clarification, one of our grad students on PROV is asking questions/making suggestions wrt DataCube/PROV usage

14:37:58 <olyerickson> That's why DaveReynolds mentioned me ;)

John Erickson: That's why DaveReynolds mentioned me ;)

14:38:45 <BenediktKaempgen> george: regarding proposals for cube. Shall we settle dates for proposals done, reviewing, qb session etc.?

George Thomas: regarding proposals for cube. Shall we settle dates for proposals done, reviewing, qb session etc.?

14:39:15 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:39:35 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: prefers to have proposals out on mailing lists first, and then see the reactions. Then we would be more flexible.

Dave Reynolds: prefers to have proposals out on mailing lists first, and then see the reactions. Then we would be more flexible.

14:40:12 <BenediktKaempgen> ... What is the time frame for vocabs?

... What is the time frame for vocabs?

14:40:45 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: last call was scheduled for October 2012. We are some time behind.

Bernadette Hyland: last call was scheduled for October 2012. We are some time behind.

14:45:42 <BenediktKaempgen> george: taking the action to speak to Dave and Richard to settle dates for proposals and cube session, as soon as possible.

George Thomas: taking the action to speak to Dave and Richard to settle dates for proposals and cube session, as soon as possible.

14:45:57 <bhyland> My concern is that we published FPWD in early April.  We got quite a bit of useful feedback in the following months.  I have a bias to action to at least *try* to getting DCAT to by September.

Bernadette Hyland: My concern is that we published FPWD in early April. We got quite a bit of useful feedback in the following months. I have a bias to action to at least *try* to getting DCAT to by September.

14:46:19 <bhyland> Recognizing that we may have 1-2 last calls.

Bernadette Hyland: Recognizing that we may have 1-2 last calls.

14:46:37 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:46:42 <BenediktKaempgen> george: speaking about this topic in next chair telco.

George Thomas: speaking about this topic in next chair telco.

14:47:09 <bhyland> Dave: Suggests getting DCAT out to LC in next month.

Dave Reynolds: Suggests getting DCAT out to LC in next month. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:47:11 <bhyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

14:47:12 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: get dcat last call out should be focus now

Dave Reynolds: get dcat last call out should be focus now

14:47:33 <bhyland> TOPIC: ORG vocab

5. ORG vocab

14:47:54 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland

14:47:56 <bhyland> See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Organizational_Structures

Bernadette Hyland: See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Organizational_Structures

14:47:58 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: Bart had use case to define organization independent of people.

Dave Reynolds: Bart had use case to define organization independent of people.

14:48:06 <bhyland> ED = http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html

Bernadette Hyland: ED = http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html

14:48:46 <bhyland> I'd like to propose that DCAT and Cube get to FC in September.

Bernadette Hyland: I'd like to propose that DCAT and Cube get to FC in September.

14:48:46 <BenediktKaempgen> ... there are other efforts (e.g., ADMS) that overlap with efforts which may lead with some confusion.

... there are other efforts (e.g., ADMS) that overlap with efforts which may lead with some confusion.

14:49:24 <bhyland> In fairness, we should consider ORG in context with ADMS organizational vocab (ISA Programme)

Bernadette Hyland: In fairness, we should consider ORG in context with ADMS organizational vocab (ISA Programme)

14:49:54 <BenediktKaempgen> ... it is important that vocabularies are compatible, e.g., org, people, ADMS.

... it is important that vocabularies are compatible, e.g., org, people, ADMS.

14:50:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> +q

Bart van Leeuwen: +q

14:50:35 <bhyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

14:50:55 <BenediktKaempgen> Bart: Proposes to change org regarding to feedback and get a new version out.

Bart van Leeuwen: Proposes to change org regarding to feedback and get a new version out.

14:51:28 <bhyland> +1 to Bart

Bernadette Hyland: +1 to Bart

14:51:37 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me

Bart van Leeuwen: ack me

14:51:43 <BenediktKaempgen> Bart: If changes are relatively easy, they should be done as soon as possible.

Bart van Leeuwen: If changes are relatively easy, they should be done as soon as possible.

14:52:09 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ack me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ack me

14:52:09 <Zakim> I see bhyland on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see bhyland on the speaker queue

14:52:54 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: risk of having only emotional discussions, but not bringing improvements to the people

Bernadette Hyland: risk of having only emotional discussions, but not bringing improvements to the people

14:54:01 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:54:03 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: ADMS seems to big to be thouroughly reviewed by WG

Bernadette Hyland: ADMS seems to big to be thouroughly reviewed by WG

14:54:06 <George> ack bhyland

George Thomas: ack bhyland

14:54:20 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:54:29 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:55:21 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: bigger issue is relation between ADMS and dcat. I do not think we need to review ADMS to make progress with org.

Dave Reynolds: bigger issue is relation between ADMS and dcat. I do not think we need to review ADMS to make progress with org.

14:55:25 <Biplav_> q+

Biplav Srivastava: q+

14:56:17 <BenediktKaempgen> ... business part of ADMS seems a more independent part

... business part of ADMS seems a more independent part

14:56:34 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: ADMS underpins everything and thus have an impact on DCAT.  The business vocabulary ISA Programme is not well understood by people on the call vis a vis connections with our vocabs in FPWD.

Dave Reynolds: ADMS underpins everything and thus have an impact on DCAT. The business vocabulary ISA Programme is not well understood by people on the call vis a vis connections with our vocabs in FPWD. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:56:43 <Biplav_> uncertainty

Biplav Srivastava: uncertainty

14:56:49 <BenediktKaempgen> Biplav_: Have we decided how to handle uncertainty?

Biplav Srivastava: Have we decided how to handle uncertainty?

14:57:11 <DaveReynolds> q+

Dave Reynolds: q+

14:57:25 <DaveReynolds> ack me

Dave Reynolds: ack me

14:57:28 <BenediktKaempgen> Biplav: Example is accident with injured with people. There is inherent uncertainty here.

Biplav Srivastava: Example is accident with injured with people. There is inherent uncertainty here.

14:58:11 <bhyland> ORG has no concept of uncertainty.  You can represent history over time, but at any given time, it is deterministic at a given interval.

Bernadette Hyland: ORG has no concept of uncertainty. You can represent history over time, but at any given time, it is deterministic at a given interval.

14:58:13 <BenediktKaempgen> DaveReynolds: regarding org  uncertainty is not considered, since we deal with deterministic snapshots.

Dave Reynolds: regarding org uncertainty is not considered, since we deal with deterministic snapshots.

14:58:51 <Biplav_> Agreed - uncertainty in organization is hard to imagine.

Biplav Srivastava: Agreed - uncertainty in organization is hard to imagine.

14:58:58 <BenediktKaempgen> ... in data-cube uncertainty is a relevant issue and can be handled by qualitative attributes.

... in data-cube uncertainty is a relevant issue and can be handled by qualitative attributes.

14:59:47 <bhyland> Dave: Historic info captured by "historical information" component of ORG, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html#historical-information

Dave Reynolds: Historic info captured by "historical information" component of ORG, see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/org/index.html#historical-information [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ]

14:59:50 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

14:59:55 <George> ack Biplav_

George Thomas: ack Biplav_

15:00:03 <BenediktKaempgen> Biplav_: Was expecting some concepts regarding uncertainty in general.

Biplav Srivastava: Was expecting some concepts regarding uncertainty in general.

15:00:13 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/urw3/XGR-urw3-20080331/ Uncertainty Reasoning for the World Wide Web

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/urw3/XGR-urw3-20080331/ Uncertainty Reasoning for the World Wide Web

15:00:23 <BenediktKaempgen> ... but sees Daves points.

... but sees Daves points.

15:00:39 <BenediktKaempgen> TOPIC: Upcoming Meeting Agenda Planning

6. Upcoming Meeting Agenda Planning

15:01:09 <BenediktKaempgen> bhyland: topics will be best practices and community directory. Next steps.

Bernadette Hyland: topics will be best practices and community directory. Next steps.

15:01:52 <bhyland> See Scribes page for schedule and please volunteer to scribe :-) http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Scribes

Bernadette Hyland: See Scribes page for schedule and please volunteer to scribe :-) http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Scribes

15:01:53 <olyerickson> Thanks Leaders!

John Erickson: Thanks Leaders!

15:01:56 <DaveReynolds> bye all

Dave Reynolds: bye all

15:01:58 <Zakim> -tinagheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tinagheen

15:02:00 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye

Bart van Leeuwen: bye

15:02:00 <Zakim> -bhyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland

15:02:01 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

15:02:01 <Zakim> -George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: -George_Thomas

15:02:03 <Zakim> -DaveReynolds

Zakim IRC Bot: -DaveReynolds

15:02:04 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

15:02:11 <Zakim> -Biplav

Zakim IRC Bot: -Biplav

15:02:11 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

15:02:11 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

15:02:11 <bhyland> Thanks all.

Bernadette Hyland: Thanks all.

15:02:19 <Zakim> -Yigal

Zakim IRC Bot: -Yigal

15:02:21 <BenediktKaempgen> RRSAgent, generate minutes

RRSAgent, generate minutes

15:02:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-gld-minutes.html BenediktKaempgen

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/08/16-gld-minutes.html BenediktKaempgen

15:02:36 <George> thanks BenediktKaempgen !!

George Thomas: thanks BenediktKaempgen !!

15:03:01 <BenediktKaempgen> no problem, thanks George

no problem, thanks George



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