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13:52:19 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
13:52:19 <trackbot> Date: 17 May 2012
13:53:24 <George> Chair: George Thomas
13:53:54 <George> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120517
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13:58:43 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??p5 is me
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14:01:21 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aaaa
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14:01:38 <PhilA2> zakim, code?
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14:01:38 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), PhilA2
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14:01:42 <George> zakin, who is here?
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14:01:48 <George> zakim, who is here?
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14:01:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, ??P4, BartvanLeeuwen, davidwood, +1.267.481.aaaa
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14:01:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, luisBer, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, danbri, trackbot, sandro
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14:01:55 <luisBer> aaaa is me
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14:01:56 <Zakim> +??P7
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14:02:02 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P7 is me
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14:02:02 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it
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14:02:09 <bhyland> davidwood is me
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14:02:17 <bhyland> zakim, davidwood is me
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14:02:17 <Zakim> +bhyland; got it
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14:02:57 <PhilA2> zakim, ??P4 is Benedikt
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14:02:57 <Zakim> +Benedikt; got it
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14:03:08 <George> zakim, who is here?
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14:03:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, Benedikt, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, +1.267.481.aaaa, PhilA2
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14:03:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see DaveReynolds, PhilA2, luisBer, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, danbri, trackbot, sandro
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14:03:18 <PhilA2> I guess I should
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14:03:39 <Zakim> +??P8
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14:03:45 <Benedikt> There I am!
Benedikt Kaempgen: There I am! ←
14:03:46 <PhilA2> scribe: PhilA2
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14:03:59 <PhilA2> scribeNick is PhilA2
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14:04:12 <Benedikt> zakim, who's here?
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14:04:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see George_Thomas, Benedikt, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, +1.267.481.aaaa, PhilA2, DaveReynolds
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14:04:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Benedikt, DaveReynolds, PhilA2, luisBer, Zakim, RRSAgent, George, MacTed, BartvanLeeuwen, bhyland, danbri, trackbot, sandro
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14:04:54 <PhilA2> agenda: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120517
14:05:00 <PhilA2> chair: George
14:05:16 <Zakim> +Sandro
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14:05:50 <PhilA2> resolution: Minutes of meeting on 3 May accepted (http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03)
//www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03) ←
14:06:28 <PhilA2> bhyland: Expresses caution about taking on more (and more) vocabularies. Glad that we're not taking on any more
Bernadette Hyland: Expresses caution about taking on more (and more) vocabularies. Glad that we're not taking on any more ←
14:07:09 <PhilA2> bhyland: Wants to raise issue that anyone can anyone can raise an issue via the public mailing list. Context is Rufus Pollock who has been told that he can't raise an issue - he certainly can
Bernadette Hyland: Wants to raise issue that anyone can anyone can raise an issue via the public mailing list. Context is Rufus Pollock who has been told that he can't raise an issue - he certainly can ←
14:07:15 <bhyland> Note Correction in 3-May minutes: stated "... i told him to raise issues but he can't cause not WG member http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03#line0093
Bernadette Hyland: Note Correction in 3-May minutes: stated "... i told him to raise issues but he can't cause not WG member http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03#line0093 ←
14:07:15 <bhyland> "
14:07:22 <bhyland> He can send to public GLD WG list!
Bernadette Hyland: He can send to public GLD WG list! ←
14:07:29 <PhilA2> sandro: says if it's about access to the issue tracker then, yes, you need to be a WG member
Sandro Hawke: says if it's about access to the issue tracker then, yes, you need to be a WG member ←
14:07:53 <PhilA2> s/resolution: Minutes of meeting on 3 May accepted (http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03)//
14:08:18 <PhilA2> bhyland: I'll edit the minutes
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14:08:32 <Zakim> +[LC]
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14:08:37 <George> q?
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14:08:42 <PhilA2> Resolved - minutes resolution: Minutes from 3 May accepted (http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03) subject to those edits
Resolved - minutes resolution: Minutes from 3 May accepted (http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/meeting/2012-05-03) subject to those edits ←
14:08:47 <Benedikt> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120517#Main_Vocab_Agenda:_QB_.28.7E45_minutes.29
Benedikt Kaempgen: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120517#Main_Vocab_Agenda:_QB_.28.7E45_minutes.29 ←
14:08:53 <PhilA2> Topic: Cube Vocabulary
14:09:11 <PhilA2> Benedikt: link above is to the vocab
Benedikt Kaempgen: link above is to the vocab ←
14:09:19 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/c/c3/Kaempgen_QB-XBRL_2012-05-17.pdf
George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/images/c/c3/Kaempgen_QB-XBRL_2012-05-17.pdf ←
14:09:52 <PhilA2> ... lots of discussion on the XBRL and how this can interact with the GLD work and the RDF data Cube vocab
... lots of discussion on the XBRL and how this can interact with the GLD work and the RDF data Cube vocab ←
14:10:04 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Should at least be a use case
Benedikt Kaempgen: Should at least be a use case ←
14:10:05 <Zakim> + +1.720.708.aabb
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14:10:17 <PhilA2> Benedikt: This is work I;ve been doing at DERI earlier in the year
Benedikt Kaempgen: This is work I;ve been doing at DERI earlier in the year ←
14:10:22 <Yigal> zakim, aabb is me
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14:10:22 <Zakim> +Yigal; got it
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14:10:33 <PhilA2> Benedikt: I participated in teh XBRL challenge
Benedikt Kaempgen: I participated in teh XBRL challenge ←
14:10:37 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Slide 2
Benedikt Kaempgen: Slide 2 ←
14:11:13 <PhilA2> Benedikt: overview of the talk
Benedikt Kaempgen: overview of the talk ←
14:11:23 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Slide 3
Benedikt Kaempgen: Slide 3 ←
14:13:22 <PhilA2> Benedikt: highlights usefulness of XBRL and requirement from US authorities to publish financial data in XBRL
Benedikt Kaempgen: highlights usefulness of XBRL and requirement from US authorities to publish financial data in XBRL ←
14:14:30 <Zakim> +cygri
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14:14:41 <mhausenblas> Zakim, cygri really is me
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14:14:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'cygri really is me', mhausenblas
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14:14:49 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Still difficult to integrate XBRL as it uses different vocabularies and it's even harder to integrate XBRL outside itself
Benedikt Kaempgen: Still difficult to integrate XBRL as it uses different vocabularies and it's even harder to integrate XBRL outside itself ←
14:14:52 <mhausenblas> Zakim, I am cygri
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14:14:52 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas, I now associate you with cygri
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14:15:16 <mhausenblas> Michael: Sorry for running late, previous meeting took longer than expected
Michael Hausenblas: Sorry for running late, previous meeting took longer than expected [ Scribe Assist by Michael Hausenblas ] ←
14:15:30 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Hope is that XBRL can become part of the community via the QB
Benedikt Kaempgen: Hope is that XBRL can become part of the community via the QB ←
14:19:19 <Zakim> + +91.80.67.84.aacc
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14:22:35 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Shows example of XBRL in use (slide 9) - this is essentially a use case for GLD
Benedikt Kaempgen: Shows example of XBRL in use (slide 9) - this is essentially a use case for GLD ←
14:22:47 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Slide 10
Benedikt Kaempgen: Slide 10 ←
14:23:02 <Biplav> Biplav has joined on phone 5 mins back. Sorry for being late due to logistics reasons.
Biplav Srivastava: Biplav has joined on phone 5 mins back. Sorry for being late due to logistics reasons. ←
14:23:16 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Use case is to go the other way. Take linked data and turn it into native XBRL
Benedikt Kaempgen: Use case is to go the other way. Take linked data and turn it into native XBRL ←
14:23:33 <PhilA2> Benedikt: This is internationally important work!
Benedikt Kaempgen: This is internationally important work! ←
14:23:57 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Slide 11 Challenges
Benedikt Kaempgen: Slide 11 Challenges ←
14:23:59 <George> and round tripping between trees and graphs is a generally interesting topic too :)
George Thomas: and round tripping between trees and graphs is a generally interesting topic too :) ←
14:24:33 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Could this be included in the cookbook? The QB?
Benedikt Kaempgen: Could this be included in the cookbook? The QB? ←
14:24:51 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Talks through the challenges listed on the slide
Benedikt Kaempgen: Talks through the challenges listed on the slide ←
14:26:55 <PhilA2> Benedikt: needs to be possible to do automatic checks - the number of numbers is too big and complex to do it manually
Benedikt Kaempgen: needs to be possible to do automatic checks - the number of numbers is too big and complex to do it manually ←
14:27:18 <PhilA2> ... hence suggestion of including Business Rules - sounds like a job for RIF, Sandro?
... hence suggestion of including Business Rules - sounds like a job for RIF, Sandro? ←
14:28:06 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Need to watch the versions - there are new versions of XBRL every year, standard taxonomies and so on. It's a moving target all the way
Benedikt Kaempgen: Need to watch the versions - there are new versions of XBRL every year, standard taxonomies and so on. It's a moving target all the way ←
14:28:21 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Slide 12 discussion points
Benedikt Kaempgen: Slide 12 discussion points ←
14:28:22 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:29:22 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Perhaps show how to publish COINS using both QB and XBRL ?
Benedikt Kaempgen: Perhaps show how to publish COINS using both QB and XBRL ? ←
14:29:27 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:29:31 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:29:44 <George> ack DaveReynolds
George Thomas: ack DaveReynolds ←
14:29:48 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: taking up your discussion points...
Dave Reynolds: taking up your discussion points... ←
14:29:51 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
14:30:36 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: An Informative Note might be a way. A WG can create actual standards, but a WG Note which is a kind of status doc on how people can use QB with XBRL and that can be referred to from the BP doc
Dave Reynolds: An Informative Note might be a way. A WG can create actual standards, but a WG Note which is a kind of status doc on how people can use QB with XBRL and that can be referred to from the BP doc ←
14:30:44 <George> DaveReynolds: perhaps a WG Note - how QB/XBRL 'can' be used - (not *the* way)
Dave Reynolds: perhaps a WG Note - how QB/XBRL 'can' be used - (not *the* way) [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ] ←
14:30:48 <PhilA2> ... we can say that these are good and relevent examples without being a Rec
... we can say that these are good and relevent examples without being a Rec ←
14:31:35 <PhilA2> Benedikt: Not sure what an Informative Note is, but it sounds like a good idea. i.e. produce the information as a separate document describing how to use QB with XBRL
Benedikt Kaempgen: Not sure what an Informative Note is, but it sounds like a good idea. i.e. produce the information as a separate document describing how to use QB with XBRL ←
14:31:39 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-owl-rl/
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-owl-rl/ ←
14:31:42 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:31:43 <PhilA2> Benedikt: So that sounds like an idea, yes
Benedikt Kaempgen: So that sounds like an idea, yes ←
14:32:22 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: That URI is an example of a Note that describes a similar situation. It has no standard status but it is something that the Wg has reviewed and has confidence in and can be refrred to
Dave Reynolds: That URI is an example of a Note that describes a similar situation. It has no standard status but it is something that the Wg has reviewed and has confidence in and can be refrred to ←
14:32:37 <PhilA2> George: That sounds consistent and a good example
George Thomas: That sounds consistent and a good example ←
14:32:50 <PhilA2> bhyland: Thanks Benedikt that was a lot of info.
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks Benedikt that was a lot of info. ←
14:33:43 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:33:46 <George> ack bhyland
George Thomas: ack bhyland ←
14:33:55 <PhilA2> bhyland: This is as detailed and relevant as other specific domains, eg health and environment. Going on beyond a Note worries me. I'm supportive of going that far but no further - it's more than we can chew I think
Bernadette Hyland: This is as detailed and relevant as other specific domains, eg health and environment. Going on beyond a Note worries me. I'm supportive of going that far but no further - it's more than we can chew I think ←
14:34:05 <PhilA2> bhyland: There's so much about this...
Bernadette Hyland: There's so much about this... ←
14:34:43 <PhilA2> bhyland: There's a UK group, the EDM Council that has US participants too. Bunch of regulators etc. Looking at standards, legal identifier recommendations etc.
Bernadette Hyland: There's a UK group, the EDM Council that has US participants too. Bunch of regulators etc. Looking at standards, legal identifier recommendations etc. ←
14:34:53 <bhyland> EDMC mentioned, http://www.edmcouncil.org/sec_standards.aspx
Bernadette Hyland: EDMCC mentioned, http://www.edmcouncil.org/sec_standards.aspx ←
14:34:54 <PhilA2> ... potential source of funding I'd say
... potential source of funding I'd say ←
14:35:02 <PhilA2> s/EDM/EDMC/
14:35:17 <PhilA2> bhyland: Looks like the people there have the expertise and connections
Bernadette Hyland: Looks like the people there have the expertise and connections ←
14:35:43 <PhilA2> bhyland: What we really need is to get some funding aorund this - I think.
Bernadette Hyland: What we really need is to get some funding aorund this - I think. ←
14:35:55 <DaveReynolds> bhyland - not working with/heard of them but sounds like great suggestion
Dave Reynolds: bhyland - not working with/heard of them but sounds like great suggestion ←
14:36:24 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
14:36:28 <PhilA2> Benedikt: I have my obligations to the University and the GLD. It's all related to my research. XBRL is a very good use case
Benedikt Kaempgen: I have my obligations to the University and the GLD. It's all related to my research. XBRL is a very good use case ←
14:36:49 <PhilA2> Benedikt: So in general I can spend some time with it but not as much as wouold be needed to push something like this forward
Benedikt Kaempgen: So in general I can spend some time with it but not as much as wouold be needed to push something like this forward ←
14:36:58 <PhilA2> Benedikt: So I'd say not enough funding at the moment
Benedikt Kaempgen: So I'd say not enough funding at the moment ←
14:37:33 <PhilA2> bhyland: So this looks very important indeed. Huge amounts of value. Let's tug the thread of the EDMC thathas some big names on it
Bernadette Hyland: So this looks very important indeed. Huge amounts of value. Let's tug the thread of the EDMC thathas some big names on it ←
14:37:57 <PhilA2> bhyland: But like Phil got EU ISA Prog funding... can we do that for this?
Bernadette Hyland: But like Phil got EU ISA Prog funding... can we do that for this? ←
14:38:16 <PhilA2> bhyland: I hope you follow Beth Noveck and co on Twitter
Bernadette Hyland: I hope you follow Beth Noveck and co on Twitter ←
14:38:27 <PhilA2> George: So we have consensus on heading for a notre
George Thomas: So we have consensus on heading for a notre ←
14:38:29 <PhilA2> ack me
ack me ←
14:38:32 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for a note
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 for a note ←
14:39:53 <Benedikt> Thanks, Bernadette
Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks, Bernadette ←
14:39:59 <bhyland> EDM Council focuses on standards for semantics repository, legal entity ID, instrument ID, classification ID, see http://www.edmcouncil.org/about.aspx
Bernadette Hyland: EDM Council focuses on standards for semantics repository, legal entity ID, instrument ID, classification ID, see http://www.edmcouncil.org/about.aspx ←
14:41:34 <DaveReynolds> philA2 - good points, given that history then even a note may be too much.
Dave Reynolds: philA2 - good points, given that history then even a note may be too much. ←
14:41:40 <bhyland> +1 to PhilA
Bernadette Hyland: +1 to PhilA ←
14:41:48 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
14:41:57 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:42:02 <George> ack BartvanLeeuwen
George Thomas: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:42:33 <PhilA2> PhilA2: said +1 to getting extra funding. This might be a whole new work strand and it needs funding somehow. The WG doesn't have the bandwidth to take on soemthing this big - and the XBRL community has money.
Phil Archer: said +1 to getting extra funding. This might be a whole new work strand and it needs funding somehow. The WG doesn't have the bandwidth to take on soemthing this big - and the XBRL community has money. ←
14:42:47 <bhyland> Thanks Benedikt, very, very valuable data set & effort to make XBRL more interoperable as data in the Web following Linked Data principles.
Bernadette Hyland: Thanks Benedikt, very, very valuable data set & effort to make XBRL more interoperable as data in the Web following Linked Data principles. ←
14:42:48 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: We can't do everything - we won't ever reach the end
Bart van Leeuwen: We can't do everything - we won't ever reach the end ←
14:43:45 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: Part of my concer is that once we get into coordination between diff SDOs, the cyle gets even slower. All we can really do here I'd say is offer some advice on how we would see XBRL being used in LD
Dave Reynolds: Part of my concer is that once we get into coordination between diff SDOs, the cyle gets even slower. All we can really do here I'd say is offer some advice on how we would see XBRL being used in LD ←
14:43:48 <bhyland> @BartvanLeeuwen, I agree however we can put some scaffolding up to help advance some relevant data sets especially if we have the benefit of some researchers who are LOD savvy interested in doing the heavy lifting … like Benedikt
Bernadette Hyland: @BartvanLeeuwen, I agree however we can put some scaffolding up to help advance some relevant data sets especially if we have the benefit of some researchers who are LOD savvy interested in doing the heavy lifting … like Benedikt ←
14:44:13 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I'm more nervous around business rules - that's big. Need to have a clear scope of what we can do
Dave Reynolds: I'm more nervous around business rules - that's big. Need to have a clear scope of what we can do ←
14:44:14 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:44:34 <PhilA2> q+
q+ ←
14:44:35 <bhyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:45:04 <bhyland> yep, I was going to ask what we agreed & scope.
Bernadette Hyland: yep, I was going to ask what we agreed & scope. ←
14:46:07 <Benedikt> +1 Phil's suggestion
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 Phil's suggestion ←
14:46:49 <DaveReynolds> +1 PhilA - write a brief doc recommending specific scoping of this
Dave Reynolds: +1 PhilA - write a brief doc recommending specific scoping of this ←
14:47:06 <PhilA2> PhilA2: I'll begin drafting a doc that would set out what we can do with different levels of commitment from XBRL community, starting with the kind of note that DaveReynolds described
Phil Archer: I'll begin drafting a doc that would set out what we can do with different levels of commitment from XBRL community, starting with the kind of note that DaveReynolds described ←
14:47:18 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
14:47:30 <George> ack PhilA
George Thomas: ack PhilA ←
14:47:33 <PhilA2> bhyland: A working note that describes how LD can apply to a specific community is going to be valuable
Bernadette Hyland: A working note that describes how LD can apply to a specific community is going to be valuable ←
14:47:34 <George> ack bhyland
George Thomas: ack bhyland ←
14:47:48 <PhilA2> bhyland: Human health, scientific data etc. Those are similar verticals
Bernadette Hyland: Human health, scientific data etc. Those are similar verticals ←
14:48:17 <PhilA2> bhyland: Gov financial regulation is an important vertical
Bernadette Hyland: Gov financial regulation is an important vertical ←
14:48:38 <PhilA2> George: The references that Benedikt gave us is a good place to start - probably get a Note out that alone
George Thomas: The references that Benedikt gave us is a good place to start - probably get a Note out that alone ←
14:48:51 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: I agree with bhyland. We shouldn't try and get this into the main doc
Bart van Leeuwen: I agree with bhyland. We shouldn't try and get this into the main doc ←
14:49:13 <PhilA2> BartvanLeeuwen: I have examples of using gov LD and it's smarter to put them in a separate doc rather than the BP doc
Bart van Leeuwen: I have examples of using gov LD and it's smarter to put them in a separate doc rather than the BP doc ←
14:49:42 <PhilA2> George: DaveReynolds - any other actions or issues about QB?
George Thomas: DaveReynolds - any other actions or issues about QB? ←
14:49:48 <DaveReynolds> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/3
Dave Reynolds: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/track/products/3 ←
14:50:20 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: many actions are closed but there's some document clean up to do following feedback.
Dave Reynolds: many actions are closed but there's some document clean up to do following feedback. ←
14:50:33 <bhyland> I'm getting the sense that the regulars on the call want to see LOD vocabs & BPs "in action", potentially in some key verticals (e.g., financial data of interest to regulators, human health, environmental scientists in public & private sectors) and that some form of W3 Notes is the right approach.
Bernadette Hyland: I'm getting the sense that the regulars on the call want to see LOD vocabs & BPs "in action", potentially in some key verticals (e.g., financial data of interest to regulators, human health, environmental scientists in public & private sectors) and that some form of W3 Notes is the right approach. ←
14:50:52 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I think what's left looks pretty straightforward for the group to look at to make decisions over
Dave Reynolds: I think what's left looks pretty straightforward for the group to look at to make decisions over ←
14:51:12 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I'm thinking a Note again for examples
Dave Reynolds: I'm thinking a Note again for examples ←
14:51:16 <bhyland> +1 to what Bart & DaveReynolds are saying … belongs in Note
Bernadette Hyland: +1 to what Bart & DaveReynolds are saying … belongs in Note ←
14:51:57 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: proposal is over the next N weeks, I can put togetehr some suggestions for closing issues. Once we have enough discussion on the list, we could go through them in a telecon
Dave Reynolds: proposal is over the next N weeks, I can put togetehr some suggestions for closing issues. Once we have enough discussion on the list, we could go through them in a telecon ←
14:51:58 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
14:52:01 <Benedikt> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
14:52:04 <PhilA2> George: +1 from me
George Thomas: +1 from me ←
14:52:11 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
14:52:12 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
14:52:21 <PhilA2> George: We'll watch the list and figure out a date for that follow up/clean up call
George Thomas: We'll watch the list and figure out a date for that follow up/clean up call ←
14:52:30 <PhilA2> George: We won'#t pick a date right now
George Thomas: We won'#t pick a date right now ←
14:52:38 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:52:46 <BartvanLeeuwen> ack me
Bart van Leeuwen: ack me ←
14:53:11 <PhilA2> Topic: ISA Programme
14:53:28 <PhilA2> ISA Programme vocabs e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012May/0008.html
ISA Programme vocabs e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-gld-wg/2012May/0008.html ←
14:54:05 <bhyland> @PhilA2, congratulations!
Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA2, congratulations! ←
14:54:51 <bhyland> Topic: ADMS - Asset Description Management System, similar to DCAT but used to describe assets in an organization vs. data catalogues
14:56:11 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:56:27 <PhilA2> RADion http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.0.rdf
RADion http://philarcher.org/isa/radion_v1.0.rdf ←
14:56:36 <PhilA2> ADMS http://philarcher.org/isa/adms_v1.0.1.rdf
ADMS http://philarcher.org/isa/adms_v1.0.1.rdf ←
14:56:51 <bhyland> PR about RADion v1.0 is here https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/radion-v100-officially-released
Bernadette Hyland: PR about RADion v1.0 is here https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/radion-v100-officially-released ←
14:56:58 <PhilA2> Person http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v03.rdf
Person http://philarcher.org/isa/person-v03.rdf ←
14:57:01 <George> q?
George Thomas: q? ←
14:57:14 <PhilA2> Busines/Legal http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v03.rdf
Busines/Legal http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v03.rdf ←
14:57:26 <PhilA2> Location http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v03.rdf
Location http://philarcher.org/isa/locn-v03.rdf ←
14:57:38 <bhyland> Here is the europa.eu info with basic context, see https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/description
Bernadette Hyland: Here is the europa.eu info with basic context, see https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/asset/adms/description ←
14:57:41 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
14:57:44 <DaveReynolds> q+
Dave Reynolds: q+ ←
14:58:42 <bhyland> Discussed - Name Space policy - OK if there is group discussion within GLD WG.
Bernadette Hyland: Discussed - Name Space policy - OK if there is group discussion within GLD WG. ←
14:59:01 <PhilA2> http://www.w3.org/ns/adms
14:59:18 <bhyland> To date, it has been formally discussed by W3C management, EU Commission and the GLD WG chairs & staff contact.
Bernadette Hyland: To date, it has been formally discussed by W3C management, EU Commission and the GLD WG chairs & staff contact. ←
15:00:00 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: Org went into /ns with Tim's permission and not a WG item
Dave Reynolds: Org went into /ns with Tim's permission and not a WG item ←
15:00:10 <bhyland> DaveReynolds: Since it is comes to the WG from another source is a better approach.
Dave Reynolds: Since it is comes to the WG from another source is a better approach. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:00:16 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: Maybe a holding page with a link to the original might be better
Dave Reynolds: Maybe a holding page with a link to the original might be better ←
15:00:45 <PhilA2> DaveReynolds: I'm aware they were coming to the WG and I've had some reservation. I may have missed some detail
Dave Reynolds: I'm aware they were coming to the WG and I've had some reservation. I may have missed some detail ←
15:01:26 <PhilA2> bhyland: I'm erring on the side of getting this off philarcher.org and into w3.org
Bernadette Hyland: I'm erring on the side of getting this off philarcher.org and into w3.org ←
15:01:47 <PhilA2> bhyland: I'm happy as long as sandro and PhilA2 say it's ok
Bernadette Hyland: I'm happy as long as sandro and PhilA2 say it's ok ←
15:02:02 <PhilA2> George: I see no objections, so can we reolve and move forward
George Thomas: I see no objections, so can we reolve and move forward ←
15:02:55 <bhyland> strawpoll: Is everyone in favor of putting ADMS info into w3.org name space, specifically http://www.w3.org/ns/adms
STRAWPOLL: Is everyone in favor of putting ADMS info into w3.org name space, specifically http://www.w3.org/ns/adms ←
15:03:05 <DaveReynolds> +0
Dave Reynolds: +0 ←
15:03:18 <George> +1
George Thomas: +1 ←
15:04:11 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:04:14 <mhausenblas> +1
Michael Hausenblas: +1 ←
15:04:15 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 ←
15:04:15 <Benedikt> +1
Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 ←
15:04:16 <bhyland> +1
Bernadette Hyland: +1 ←
15:04:36 <bhyland> for 31-May guest speaker on needs from gov't publishers: John Barker, Wolters Kluwer Product Strategist
Bernadette Hyland: for 31-May guest speaker on needs from gov't publishers: John Barker, Wolters Kluwer Product Strategist ←
15:04:42 <PhilA2> bhyland: 31 May we have John Barker from Wolters Kluwer good complement to Benedikt's talk today
Bernadette Hyland: 31 May we have John Barker from Wolters Kluwer good complement to Benedikt's talk today ←
15:05:19 <bhyland> resolved: ADMS info to be moved into http://w3.org/ name space, specifically http://www.w3.org/ns/adms
RESOLVED: ADMS info to be moved into http://w3.org/ name space, specifically http://www.w3.org/ns/adms ←
15:05:27 <bhyland> PhilA2 to handle the above. Thanks Phil!
Bernadette Hyland: PhilA2 to handle the above. Thanks Phil! ←
15:05:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> George, fine with me
Bart van Leeuwen: George, fine with me ←
15:05:38 <bhyland> Many thanks to Benedikt for you pres today.
Bernadette Hyland: Many thanks to Benedikt for you pres today. ←
15:06:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx<
Bart van Leeuwen: thx< ←
15:06:37 <Zakim> -bhyland
Zakim IRC Bot: -bhyland ←
15:06:37 <George> ditto bhyland - thanks Benedikt !
George Thomas: ditto bhyland - thanks Benedikt ! ←
15:06:38 <DaveReynolds> thanks, bye
Dave Reynolds: thanks, bye ←
15:06:46 <Benedikt> Thanks George, bye all
Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks George, bye all ←
15:08:17 <Zakim> T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM has ended ←
15:08:19 <Zakim> Attendees were George_Thomas, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.267.481.aaaa, PhilA2, bhyland, Benedikt, DaveReynolds, Sandro, [LC], +1.720.708.aabb, Yigal, cygri, +91.80.67.84.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were George_Thomas, BartvanLeeuwen, +1.267.481.aaaa, PhilA2, bhyland, Benedikt, DaveReynolds, Sandro, [LC], +1.720.708.aabb, Yigal, cygri, +91.80.67.84.aacc ←
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