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Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 05 January 2012

Agenda
<http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105>
Seen
Anne Washington, Bart van Leeuwen, Benedikt Kaempgen, Bernadette Hyland, David Smith, Fadi Maali, George Thomas, Gerald Steeman, Hadley Beeman, John Erickson, Michael Pendleton, Raphaël Troncy, Ronald Reck, Sandro Hawke, Tina Gheen, Zachary Whitley
Chair
George Thomas
Scribe
Michael Pendleton
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
14:19:52 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-irc

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14:19:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be GLD

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14:19:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_GLDWG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 41 minutes

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14:19:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Government Linked Data Working Group Teleconference
14:19:57 <trackbot> Date: 05 January 2012
14:30:33 <Mike_Pendleton> scribe:MikeP

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14:33:56 <Mike_Pendleton> #GLDWG

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14:35:41 <Mike_Pendleton> Chair: Bernadette Hyland
14:45:12 <Mike_Pendleton> correction - Chair: George Thomas

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correction - Chair: George Thomas

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14:51:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aaaa

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14:51:57 <Mike_Pendleton> Chair: George Thomas
14:53:11 <HadleyBeeman> Hi all.  Happy new year!

Hadley Beeman: Hi all. Happy new year!

14:53:30 <Mike_Pendleton> ScribeNick:Mike_P
14:53:39 <olyerickson> @All:  Happy New Year

John Erickson: @All: Happy New Year

14:53:46 <fadmaa> Hi. happy new year!

Fadi Maali: Hi. happy new year!

14:53:50 <HadleyBeeman> :)

Hadley Beeman: :)

14:55:03 <Mike_Pendleton> chair: gthomas
14:55:22 <Zakim> +George_Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: +George_Thomas

14:55:28 <Zakim> + +3539149aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +3539149aabb

14:55:37 <Zakim> + +1.218.296.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.218.296.aacc

14:56:02 <rreck> zakim, +1.218.296.aacc is me

Ronald Reck: zakim, +1.218.296.aacc is me

14:56:02 <Zakim> +rreck; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +rreck; got it

14:56:08 <rreck> zakim, mute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, mute me

14:56:08 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should now be muted

14:56:42 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353914 is fadi

Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353914 is fadi

14:56:42 <Zakim> +fadi; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it

14:56:50 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105

14:57:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> hi all

Bart van Leeuwen: hi all

14:57:12 <fadmaa> Zakim, +353914 is fadmaa

Fadi Maali: Zakim, +353914 is fadmaa

14:57:12 <Zakim> sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named '+353914'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, fadmaa, I do not recognize a party named '+353914'

14:57:20 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.440.389.aadd

14:57:22 <fadmaa> Zakim, fadi is fadmaa

Fadi Maali: Zakim, fadi is fadmaa

14:57:22 <Zakim> +fadmaa; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +fadmaa; got it

14:57:26 <bhyland> hi all.  George will be chairing today.  I'm on IRC only.

Bernadette Hyland: hi all. George will be chairing today. I'm on IRC only.

14:57:34 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aadd is me

Hadley Beeman: zakim, aadd is me

14:57:34 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it

14:57:57 <rreck> that is the one i forget to do

Ronald Reck: that is the one i forget to do

14:58:18 <Zakim> +??P12

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12

14:58:21 <rreck> you want to be sure

Ronald Reck: you want to be sure

14:58:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P12 is me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P12 is me

14:58:30 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it

14:58:38 <rreck> hi anne

Ronald Reck: hi anne

14:58:46 <Zakim> + +1.757.604.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.757.604.aaee

14:58:47 <George> Meeting <GLD>

George Thomas: Meeting <GLD>

14:58:53 <annew> yo Mr stability!

Anne Washington: yo Mr stability!

14:59:01 <rreck> anything but

Ronald Reck: anything but

14:59:07 <Zakim> +??P17

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P17

14:59:24 <George> Agenda: <http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105>
14:59:25 <olyerickson> Zakim, P17 is me.

John Erickson: Zakim, P17 is me.

14:59:26 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named 'P17'

14:59:27 <GeraldSteeman> Zakim, I'm aaee

Gerald Steeman: Zakim, I'm aaee

14:59:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I'm aaee', GeraldSteeman

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'I'm aaee', GeraldSteeman

14:59:40 <olyerickson> Zakim, ?p17 is me.

John Erickson: Zakim, ?p17 is me.

14:59:40 <Zakim> sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p17'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, olyerickson, I do not recognize a party named '?p17'

14:59:47 <GeraldSteeman> Zakim, aaee is me.

Gerald Steeman: Zakim, aaee is me.

14:59:48 <Zakim> +GeraldSteeman; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +GeraldSteeman; got it

15:00:05 <rreck> zakim needs to support more than one way to do things

Ronald Reck: zakim needs to support more than one way to do things

15:00:08 <annew> correct meeting agenda URL is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105

Anne Washington: correct meeting agenda URL is http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20120105

15:00:09 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p17 is me.

John Erickson: zakim, ??p17 is me.

15:00:09 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it

15:00:10 <Zakim> +sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +sandro

15:00:21 <Zakim> +raphael

Zakim IRC Bot: +raphael

15:00:27 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?

Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer?

15:00:27 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-irc#T15-00-27

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-irc#T15-00-27

15:00:31 <Zakim> + +49.721.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.721.aaff

15:00:32 <sandro> Zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is on the call?

15:00:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael, +49.721.aaff

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael, +49.721.aaff

15:00:33 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone

15:00:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'who is on the phone', olyerickson

15:00:50 <olyerickson> zakim, who is on the phone?

John Erickson: zakim, who is on the phone?

15:00:54 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.267.481.aagg

15:01:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael (muted), +49.721.aaff,

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.202.566.aaaa, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen, GeraldSteeman, olyerickson, sandro, raphael (muted), +49.721.aaff,

15:01:05 <Zakim> ... +1.267.481.aagg (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.267.481.aagg (muted)

15:01:10 <raphael> Present+ raphael

Raphaël Troncy: Present+ raphael

15:01:17 <raphael> Regrets+ Ghislain

Raphaël Troncy: Regrets+ Ghislain

15:01:46 <sandro> Zakim, who is talking?

Sandro Hawke: Zakim, who is talking?

15:01:47 <Mike_Pendleton> George Thomas to chair today

George Thomas to chair today

15:01:52 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, aaff is BenediktKaempgen

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, aaff is BenediktKaempgen

15:02:01 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is George

Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is George

15:02:21 <Zakim> +BenediktKaempgen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BenediktKaempgen; got it

15:02:27 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (60%), +1.202.566.aaaa (47%)

Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 12 (60%), +1.202.566.aaaa (47%)

15:02:35 <Zakim> +George; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +George; got it

15:03:03 <BenediktKaempgen> hearing it also

Benedikt Kaempgen: hearing it also

15:03:04 <rreck> yes i hear it too

Ronald Reck: yes i hear it too

15:03:08 <fadmaa> I hear a noise as well

Fadi Maali: I hear a noise as well

15:03:09 <Zakim> +[LC]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC]

15:03:09 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me.

John Erickson: zakim, mute me.

15:03:10 <BartvanLeeuwen> sandro, +1 for sound

Bart van Leeuwen: sandro, +1 for sound

15:03:10 <rreck> it is noise cancelation

Ronald Reck: it is noise cancelation

15:03:27 <olyerickson> Hi

John Erickson: Hi

15:03:29 <tgheen> Zakim, [LC] is me

Tina Gheen: Zakim, [LC] is me

15:03:31 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

15:03:42 <olyerickson> I don't think it's me

John Erickson: I don't think it's me

15:03:53 <Zakim> +tgheen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +tgheen; got it

15:03:57 <rreck> i am familiar but the solution is non-trivial

Ronald Reck: i am familiar but the solution is non-trivial

15:04:06 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, mute me

Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, mute me

15:04:07 <rreck> i am double muted also

Ronald Reck: i am double muted also

15:04:15 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: BartvanLeeuwen should now be muted

15:04:34 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.566.aahh

15:04:44 <DruidSmith> Zakim, aahh is me

David Smith: Zakim, aahh is me

15:04:53 <Zakim> +DruidSmith; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +DruidSmith; got it

15:04:54 <sandro> zakim, George is MikePendleton

Sandro Hawke: zakim, George is MikePendleton

15:04:55 <Zakim> +MikePendleton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MikePendleton; got it

15:05:06 <Zakim> + +1.443.569.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.443.569.aaii

15:05:21 <Mike_Pendleton> Proposal to accept minutes?

Proposal to accept minutes?

15:05:26 <Mike_Pendleton> Comments?

Comments?

15:05:30 <Mike_Pendleton> Accepted

Accepted

15:05:30 <raphael> +1

Raphaël Troncy: +1

15:05:34 <ZacharyWhitley> zakim, who's here?

Zachary Whitley: zakim, who's here?

15:05:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

15:05:38 <olyerickson> +1

John Erickson: +1

15:05:38 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1

Bart van Leeuwen: +1

15:05:38 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii

15:05:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see DruidSmith, tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see DruidSmith, tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael,

15:05:46 <Zakim> ... Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Zakim, RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro

15:05:50 <Mike_Pendleton> TOPIC: Minutes Accepted

1. Minutes Accepted

15:06:24 <olyerickson> No updates from me...

John Erickson: No updates from me...

15:06:40 <rreck> I am improved the stability section but it is not complete

Ronald Reck: I have improved the stability section but it is not complete

15:06:45 <rreck> s/am/have
15:07:18 <rreck> new AND improved

Ronald Reck: new AND improved

15:07:36 <George> TOPIC: Procurement

2. Procurement

15:08:06 <annew> there's nothing to improve upon

Anne Washington: there's nothing to improve upon

15:08:18 <BenediktKaempgen> zakim, who's here?

Benedikt Kaempgen: zakim, who's here?

15:08:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck (muted), HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

15:08:23 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BenediktKaempgen (muted), +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii

15:08:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael, Zakim,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tgheen, BermudezLuis, annew, GeraldSteeman, BartvanLeeuwen, George, ZacharyWhitley, rreck, olyerickson, HadleyBeeman, fadmaa, bhyland, MacTed, raphael, Zakim,

15:08:30 <Zakim> ... RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: ... RRSAgent, BenediktKaempgen, Mike_Pendleton, danbri, trackbot, sandro

15:08:51 <George> Mike_Pendleton: procurement - overview of LD, evolution of data mgmt practices, community dir

Michael Pendleton: procurement - overview of LD, evolution of data mgmt practices, community dir [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:09:48 <George> ... segments - Activities (5 areas); Services; Products - describe characteristics of S&P per activity

George Thomas: ... segments - Activities (5 areas); Services; Products - describe characteristics of S&P per activity

15:10:12 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who is speaking?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is speaking?

15:10:23 <Zakim> HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MikePendleton (84%), George_Thomas (21%)

Zakim IRC Bot: HadleyBeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: MikePendleton (84%), George_Thomas (21%)

15:10:35 <raphael> I'm not sure when this is time to discuss this, but the Linked Enterprise Data patterns workshop report has been released, http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report and that there is an explicit mention of potential overalp with this group and its deliverables

Raphaël Troncy: I'm not sure when this is time to discuss this, but the Linked Enterprise Data patterns workshop report has been released, http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report and that there is an explicit mention of potential overalp with this group and its deliverables

15:10:51 <HadleyBeeman> MikePendleton, This sounds thorough and useful! I'll be keen to see it.

Hadley Beeman: MikePendleton, This sounds thorough and useful! I'll be keen to see it.

15:11:32 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

15:12:24 <George> Sandro: save as htm from doc, then use tidy, tool chain to facilitate getting good results for wiki review by GLD members

Sandro Hawke: save as htm from doc, then use tidy, tool chain to facilitate getting good results for wiki review by GLD members [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:12:37 <George> ... may be easier to recreate by hand

George Thomas: ... may be easier to recreate by hand

15:13:10 <DruidSmith_> My internet connection appears to be hosed as well

David Smith: My internet connection appears to be hosed as well

15:13:15 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:13:48 <George> ack HadleyBeeman

George Thomas: ack HadleyBeeman

15:14:50 <HadleyBeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

15:16:36 <olyerickson> Workshop Homepage here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/

John Erickson: Workshop Homepage here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/

15:16:49 <Zakim> +??P44

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P44

15:17:17 <annew> Zakim, ??p44 is me

Anne Washington: Zakim, ??p44 is me

15:17:17 <Zakim> +annew; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +annew; got it

15:17:24 <olyerickson> Report page here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report

John Erickson: Report page here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/LinkedData/Report

15:17:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

15:17:40 <Mikep> Comments from Raphael on LD Enterprise Workshop - recommended LD Platform Workgroup; concern about overlap with GLD; recommend liason to deal to with that

Comments from Raphael on LD Enterprise Workshop - recommended LD Platform Workgroup; concern about overlap with GLD; recommend liason to deal to with that

15:18:06 <raphael> The report says: "In doing so it will be important to analyze any possible overlaps with the new Government Linked Data Working Group and suggest mitigating measures if appropriate."

Raphaël Troncy: The report says: "In doing so it will be important to analyze any possible overlaps with the new Government Linked Data Working Group and suggest mitigating measures if appropriate."

15:18:14 <George> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/basic-profile-linked-data/

George Thomas: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/rational/library/basic-profile-linked-data/

15:18:17 <mikep> Sandro: Areas of overlap unclear; focus not on publishing for others to consume; but on applications exposing their data

Sandro Hawke: Areas of overlap unclear; focus not on publishing for others to consume; but on applications exposing their data

15:18:22 <George> a 'basic profile' for linked data

George Thomas: a 'basic profile' for linked data

15:19:40 <mikep> Sandro: suggest joint tast force to address major overlaps

Sandro Hawke: suggest joint tast force to address major overlaps

15:20:22 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:21:27 <mikep> George: We will work to determine how best to work with the procurement piece from a technology perspective

George Thomas: We will work to determine how best to work with the procurement piece from a technology perspective

15:21:46 <olyerickson> unmute

John Erickson: unmute

15:21:52 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute

John Erickson: zakim, unmute

15:21:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'unmute', olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'unmute', olyerickson

15:21:58 <olyerickson> help

John Erickson: help

15:22:05 <olyerickson> zakim, unmute me.

John Erickson: zakim, unmute me.

15:22:05 <Zakim> olyerickson should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should no longer be muted

15:24:39 <mikep> Having tech issues hearing

Having tech issues hearing

15:25:18 <fadmaa> the current version of dcat is at: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference

Fadi Maali: the current version of dcat is at: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference

15:26:08 <olyerickson> Not yet

John Erickson: Not yet

15:26:37 <olyerickson> One of my actions is to do some eiki work on that

John Erickson: One of my actions is to do some eiki work on that

15:26:47 <George> Fadi: Person, Org work ongoing wrt semic.eu

Fadi Maali: Person, Org work ongoing wrt semic.eu [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:27:38 <olyerickson> zakim, please mute me.

John Erickson: zakim, please mute me.

15:27:38 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

15:28:42 <rreck> anne you can go

Ronald Reck: anne you can go

15:28:44 <rreck> yep

Ronald Reck: yep

15:28:49 <rreck> zakim, unmute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, unmute me

15:28:49 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should no longer be muted

15:29:15 <George> Topic: Stability

3. Stability

15:29:36 <George> annew: collaborating with rreck with some brainstorming

Anne Washington: collaborating with rreck with some brainstorming [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:29:42 <annew> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.5_Stability

Anne Washington: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Summary#2.2.5_Stability

15:30:00 <George> rreck: revamped input into secondary page from above

Ronald Reck: revamped input into secondary page from above [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:30:48 <mikep> Ron and Ann on Stability BPs - brainstorming and will take next steps next week; framing for indicators of stability for a project

Ron and Ann on Stability BPs - brainstorming and will take next steps next week; framing for indicators of stability for a project

15:30:58 <annew> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability

Anne Washington: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability

15:31:02 <George> annew: write up key indicators of stability - interested in GLD member comments from their experiences

Anne Washington: write up key indicators of stability - interested in GLD member comments from their experiences [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:31:06 <rreck> zakim, mute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, mute me

15:31:06 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should now be muted

15:31:07 <George> ... in the F2F2

George Thomas: ... in the F2F2

15:31:15 <rreck> when is the f2f again?

Ronald Reck: when is the f2f again?

15:31:18 <rreck> link please

Ronald Reck: link please

15:31:35 <mikep> Topic: schedule and milestone review

4. schedule and milestone review

15:31:45 <annew> Yes looking for comments during F2F on whether these ideas of stability will work with other best practices

Anne Washington: Yes looking for comments during F2F on whether these ideas of stability will work with other best practices

15:32:05 <mikep> Sandro: lets focus on being productive for F2F

Sandro Hawke: lets focus on being productive for F2F

15:32:23 <mikep> Topic: F2F

5. F2F

15:32:30 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F2

15:32:48 <mikep> Request for general questions

Request for general questions

15:33:20 <rreck> it is two days?

Ronald Reck: it is two days?

15:33:23 <sandro> yes

Sandro Hawke: yes

15:33:52 <rreck> brutal

Ronald Reck: brutal

15:33:59 <mikep> Discuss co-location issue

Discuss co-location issue

15:34:03 <sandro> "brutal"?

Sandro Hawke: "brutal"?

15:34:18 <rreck> commuting in DC is brutal at least for me

Ronald Reck: commuting in DC is brutal at least for me

15:34:36 <mikep> Dan has confirmed 7 a.m. EST start time

Dan has confirmed 7 a.m. EST start time

15:34:50 <sandro> rreck, then by all means do what the charter/consensus/group decision says and commute to Ireland!  :-)

Sandro Hawke: rreck, then by all means do what the charter/consensus/group decision says and commute to Ireland! :-)

15:35:00 <rreck> great point

Ronald Reck: great point

15:35:24 <mikep> How might break-out groups work give co-location?

How might break-out groups work give co-location?

15:37:56 <annew> The door to BLS is exactly across the street from the Union Station metro stop... for those who have brutal

Anne Washington: The door to BLS is exactly across the street from the Union Station metro stop... for those who have brutal

15:38:16 <mikep> Sandro on breakouts - US people could end at 3 formally, but stay around longer

Sandro on breakouts - US people could end at 3 formally, but stay around longer

15:39:17 <mikep> George: Suggest a dry run on the call before the meeting to see if it works logistically

George Thomas: Suggest a dry run on the call before the meeting to see if it works logistically

15:39:24 <BenediktKaempgen> +1 to peple listed

Benedikt Kaempgen: +1 to peple listed

15:40:04 <annew> i thought leading a discussion more than a presentation

Anne Washington: i thought leading a discussion more than a presentation

15:40:13 <olyerickson>  Suggestion: put the names *in* the agenda section

John Erickson: Suggestion: put the names *in* the agenda section

15:40:34 <mikep> George: Request each person describe what they will be presenting/discussing (time reqd, issues/questions raised) on the wiki page

George Thomas: Request each person describe what they will be presenting/discussing (time reqd, issues/questions raised) on the wiki page

15:40:58 <mikep> Sandro: Want to get the presentation/discussion to lead us to consensus

Sandro Hawke: Want to get the presentation/discussion to lead us to consensus

15:41:08 <annew> consensus design = what are the questions? and know enough to make a decision.. ?

Anne Washington: consensus design = what are the questions? and know enough to make a decision.. ?

15:41:33 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:42:51 <mikep> George: Questions about topics you will be leading/presenting?

George Thomas: Questions about topics you will be leading/presenting?

15:42:52 <olyerickson> No questions (at this time...)

John Erickson: No questions (at this time...)

15:43:15 <Zakim> -annew

Zakim IRC Bot: -annew

15:44:17 <mikep> George: Two more calls before the F2F: next week review updates; next week we could do a dry run

George Thomas: Two more calls before the F2F: next week review updates; next week we could do a dry run

15:44:38 <mikep> George: Other input for F2F planning today?

George Thomas: Other input for F2F planning today?

15:44:44 <mikep> None

None

15:45:24 <mikep> George: Let's open this up

George Thomas: Let's open this up

15:45:30 <annew> oh bother with the  audio...still on chat...

Anne Washington: oh bother with the audio...still on chat...

15:45:41 <fadmaa> @bhyland yes I am from DERI

Fadi Maali: @bhyland yes I am from DERI

15:45:46 <sandro> annew, can you rejoin?

Sandro Hawke: annew, can you rejoin?

15:45:49 <rreck> i am

Ronald Reck: i am

15:45:55 <rreck> zakim, unmute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, unmute me

15:45:55 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should no longer be muted

15:45:56 <rreck> sure

Ronald Reck: sure

15:45:58 <rreck> one sec

Ronald Reck: one sec

15:46:00 <mikep> Sandro: Want to here more about Ron and Anne's work

Sandro Hawke: Want to here more about Ron and Anne's work

15:46:32 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability

George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Best_Practices_Discussion_Stability

15:47:34 <George> rreck: cost benefit considerations

Ronald Reck: cost benefit considerations [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:50:58 <mikep> Ron: Overaching concept is that data has value, value reduced by costs in consuming it - looking at attributes that affect cost in using the data; trying to break down costs and show what helps reduce costs.  Push modification of legacy data upstrean so that it did not have ot recure.  ex: Turtle uses least disk space, easy for people to read vs. machine readabilty of other serializations:

Ronald Reck: Overaching concept is that data has value, value reduced by costs in consuming it - looking at attributes that affect cost in using the data; trying to break down costs and show what helps reduce costs. Push modification of legacy data upstrean so that it did not have ot recure. ex: Turtle uses least disk space, easy for people to read vs. machine readabilty of other serializations:

15:51:23 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call?

15:51:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see MikePendleton, George_Thomas, fadmaa (muted), rreck, HadleyBeeman, BartvanLeeuwen (muted), GeraldSteeman, olyerickson (muted), sandro, raphael (muted),

15:51:26 <Zakim> ... BenediktKaempgen, +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BenediktKaempgen, +1.267.481.aagg, tgheen (muted), DruidSmith, +1.443.569.aaii, [IPcaller]

15:51:36 <rreck> zakim, mute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, mute me

15:51:36 <Zakim> rreck should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should now be muted

15:51:55 <mikep> George: Did anyone get a chance to look a provenance?

George Thomas: Did anyone get a chance to look a provenance?

15:51:58 <George> q?

George Thomas: q?

15:52:08 <olyerickson> RE Provenance new releases: Link?

John Erickson: RE Provenance new releases: Link?

15:53:01 <HadleyBeeman> I had a quick review of them and found them interesting for us in LinkedGov… but not with the GLD in mind.  (Sorry)

Hadley Beeman: I had a quick review of them and found them interesting for us in LinkedGov… but not with the GLD in mind. (Sorry)

15:53:43 <olyerickson> Links to recent PROV-WG drafts http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.22 (from their recent minutes)

John Erickson: Links to recent PROV-WG drafts http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2011.12.22 (from their recent minutes)

15:54:43 <mikep> George and Sandro to look into AV tech for the F2F

George and Sandro to look into AV tech for the F2F

15:54:59 <rreck> zakim, unmute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, unmute me

15:54:59 <Zakim> rreck should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck should no longer be muted

15:55:10 <raphael> The PROV Model Primer is the most interesting document for a first approach

Raphaël Troncy: The PROV Model Primer is the most interesting document for a first approach

15:55:13 <raphael> ... see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/fpwd/Primer.html

Raphaël Troncy: ... see http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/primer/fpwd/Primer.html

15:55:27 <mikep> George: Other considerations?

George Thomas: Other considerations?

15:55:49 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

15:56:05 <George> ack HadleyBeeman

George Thomas: ack HadleyBeeman

15:56:21 <annew> anne's gotta go. good summary ron on stability!

Anne Washington: anne's gotta go. good summary ron on stability!

15:56:26 <annew> bye

Anne Washington: bye

15:56:38 <George> HadleyBeeman: agenda section to address liason/overlap activity checklist suggested

Hadley Beeman: agenda section to address liason/overlap activity checklist suggested [ Scribe Assist by George Thomas ]

15:56:47 <mikep> Hadley: Might help to consider at each meeting to go over overlap from other groups (ex: provenance, e-gov)

Hadley Beeman: Might help to consider at each meeting to go over overlap from other groups (ex: provenance, e-gov)

15:57:00 <Zakim> -DruidSmith

Zakim IRC Bot: -DruidSmith

15:57:14 <olyerickson> Thanks as always, George!

John Erickson: Thanks as always, George!

15:57:25 <Zakim> - +1.443.569.aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.443.569.aaii

15:57:27 <Zakim> -GeraldSteeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -GeraldSteeman

15:57:28 <BenediktKaempgen> Thanks

Benedikt Kaempgen: Thanks

15:57:30 <olyerickson> Here's to productivity...

John Erickson: Here's to productivity...

15:57:30 <BartvanLeeuwen> bye

Bart van Leeuwen: bye

15:57:31 <Zakim> -tgheen

Zakim IRC Bot: -tgheen

15:57:32 <raphael> thanks, bye

Raphaël Troncy: thanks, bye

15:57:33 <Zakim> -sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -sandro

15:57:37 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman

15:57:38 <Zakim> -fadmaa

Zakim IRC Bot: -fadmaa

15:57:43 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen

15:57:47 <Zakim> -raphael

Zakim IRC Bot: -raphael

15:57:49 <Zakim> -olyerickson

Zakim IRC Bot: -olyerickson

15:57:51 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

15:57:53 <Zakim> -BenediktKaempgen

Zakim IRC Bot: -BenediktKaempgen

15:57:55 <Zakim> - +1.267.481.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.267.481.aagg

15:57:58 <rreck> zakim, unmute me

Ronald Reck: zakim, unmute me

15:57:58 <Zakim> rreck was not muted, rreck

Zakim IRC Bot: rreck was not muted, rreck

15:58:37 <George> Scribe: Mike
15:58:48 <rreck> i dont think you need them

Ronald Reck: i dont think you need them

15:59:28 <mikep> scribe: Mikep
16:00:33 <George> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

George Thomas: RRSAgent, set logs world-visible

16:00:47 <George> RRSAgent, generate minutes

George Thomas: RRSAgent, generate minutes

16:00:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/01/05-gld-minutes.html George

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