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<sandro> scribe: sandro
(Scribe set to Sandro Hawke)
<sandro> PRESENT: bern, sandro, george, cygri, irene, boris, cory, martin, raphael
<sandro> guest: Anne Washington, GWU
<sandro> guest: Bob DuCharme
<sandro> guest: Chris Musialek, GSA
<sandro> guest: David (DruidSmith) Smith, EPA
<sandro> guest: Ernest (Ernie) Lucier, NITRD
<sandro> guest: Gerald Steeman, NASA
<sandro> guest: Greg (gtw) Williams, RPI
<sandro> guest: Katherine Goodier, L-3 Communications
<sandro> guest: Kristin Rutland, NASA
<sandro> guest: Michael (MikeA) Aisenberg, MITRE
<sandro> guest: Michael (MikeP) Pendleton, EPA
<sandro> guest: Richard (Rick) Murphy, GSA
<sandro> guest: Tina Gheen, NSF/LoC
<sandro> guest: William Brafford, Revelytix
<sandro> guest: Yigal Arens, ISI
<sandro> guest: Ansgar Scherp, Koblenz
<sandro> guest: Bart van Leeuwen, Fire Dept Amsterdam
<sandro> guest: Benedikt (bkaempgen) Kämpgen, FZI Karlsruhe
<sandro> guest: Dan (dan) Gilman, BLS
<sandro> guest: Hadley Beeman, LinkedGov
<sandro> guest: John Sheridan, UK National Archives
<sandro> guest: Michael Hausenblas, DERI
<sandro> guest: Simon Wall, Australian Bureau of Statistics
<sandro> guest: Tope (tobo) Omitola, Soton
<sandro> guest: Zachary Whitley, JHU
<sandro> guest: Dan (danbri) Brickley
13:08:05 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-irc ←
13:08:07 <sandro> Topic: Introductions
13:08:10 <sandro> Dan Gilman
Dan Gilman ←
13:08:33 <sandro> zakim, this is gld
zakim, this is gld ←
13:08:33 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches SW_e-Gov(GLDWG)8:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches SW_e-Gov(GLDWG)8:00AM ←
13:08:35 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
zakim, who is here? ←
13:08:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6 ←
13:08:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot ←
13:08:39 <sandro> rrsagent, log is public
rrsagent, log is public ←
13:08:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'log is public', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'log is public', sandro. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
13:09:01 <Zakim> +??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7 ←
13:09:05 <sandro> Zakim, who is here?
Zakim, who is here? ←
13:09:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6, ??P7
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, ??P6, ??P7 ←
13:09:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot ←
13:09:32 <sandro> in 70s was the Census Bureau, now at Bureau of Labor Statistics
in 70s was the Census Bureau, now at Bureau of Labor Statistics ←
13:09:34 <sandro> chair of US IT Metadata Committee
chair of US IT Metadata Committee ←
13:09:39 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
RRSAgent, make log public ←
13:09:43 <sandro> Simon Wall, at Aus. B. Statistics
Simon Wall, at Aus. B. Statistics ←
13:10:01 <boris> Zakim, P7 is me
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: Zakim, P7 is me ←
13:10:01 <Zakim> sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named 'P7'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, boris, I do not recognize a party named 'P7' ←
13:10:29 <Zakim> + +1.202.566.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.566.aacc ←
13:11:10 <johnlsheridan> Sandro, what is the log-in code?
John Sheridan: Sandro, what is the log-in code? ←
13:11:16 <Zakim> -??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P6 ←
13:11:25 <sandro> johnlsheridan, GLDWG
johnlsheridan, GLDWG ←
13:11:29 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?
zakim, what is the code? ←
13:11:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 45394 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro ←
13:12:19 <Zakim> +??P6
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6 ←
13:12:29 <sandro> johnlsheridan, is that you?
johnlsheridan, is that you? ←
13:12:35 <martinAlvarez> zakim, ??P6 is martinAlvarez
Martín Álvarez: zakim, ??P6 is martinAlvarez ←
13:12:35 <Zakim> +martinAlvarez; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martinAlvarez; got it ←
13:12:51 <martinAlvarez> zakim, mute me
Martín Álvarez: zakim, mute me ←
13:12:51 <Zakim> martinAlvarez should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: martinAlvarez should now be muted ←
13:13:08 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
13:13:10 <boris> zakim, ??P7 is me
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: zakim, ??P7 is me ←
13:13:10 <Zakim> +boris; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +boris; got it ←
13:17:40 <sandro> remote folks -- Webcam is working... http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam
remote folks -- Webcam is working... http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro/webcam ←
13:18:07 <Zakim> + +1.303.275.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.275.aadd ←
13:18:10 <johnlsheridan> great to have webcam view
John Sheridan: great to have webcam view ←
13:19:07 <sandro> johnlsheridan, are you on the phone now, too?
johnlsheridan, are you on the phone now, too? ←
13:19:12 <johnlsheridan> yes
John Sheridan: yes ←
13:19:16 <sandro> great.
great. ←
13:19:27 <bkaempgen> +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen
Benedikt Kämpgen: +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen ←
13:19:37 <bkaempgen> zakim, +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen
Benedikt Kämpgen: zakim, +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen ←
13:19:37 <Zakim> +bkaempgen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +bkaempgen; got it ←
13:19:57 <sandro> Ernie: NITRD works with 16 - 19 agencies of the US Govt to collab/coord IT among the agencies.
Ernest Lucier: NITRD works with 16 - 19 agencies of the US Govt to collab/coord IT among the agencies. ←
13:20:32 <sandro> ... if we see a serious problem with technology, we'll put together information about what we want the govt (congress, ostp, ...) to do. communication from the agencies, to make sure innovation happens.
... if we see a serious problem with technology, we'll put together information about what we want the govt (congress, ostp, ...) to do. communication from the agencies, to make sure innovation happens. ←
13:20:36 <BernadetteHyland> Ernie Lucier from US NITRD speaking on outreach & education to communicate with US Agencies on what needs to be done to ensure innovation happens ... or explains why it is not.
Bernadette Hyland: Ernie Lucier from US NITRD speaking on outreach & education to communicate with US Agencies on what needs to be done to ensure innovation happens ... or explains why it is not. ←
13:20:58 <sandro> ... we also put together the budget summaries of the agencies. nitrd.gov annual report, R&D supplement to federal budget.
... we also put together the budget summaries of the agencies. nitrd.gov annual report, R&D supplement to federal budget. ←
13:21:31 <George> http://www.nitrd.gov/About/FY11NITRDSupp-FINAL-Web.pdf
George Thomas: http://www.nitrd.gov/About/FY11NITRDSupp-FINAL-Web.pdf ←
13:21:59 <George> John, can I link to your preso's?
George Thomas: John, can I link to your preso's? ←
13:22:04 <sandro> ernie: There's a 5 year lag from IT budget increases to results.
Ernest Lucier: There's a 5 year lag from IT budget increases to results. ←
13:22:30 <johnlsheridan> George, sure - I added a link in the wiki earlier today - is that ok?
John Sheridan: George, sure - I added a link in the wiki earlier today - is that ok? ←
13:22:31 <sandro> ernie: So, we want to look at and figure out what we want the governments to do.
Ernest Lucier: So, we want to look at and figure out what we want the governments to do. ←
13:23:05 <George> @JLS yes - thanks!
George Thomas: @JLS yes - thanks! ←
13:23:43 <sandro> bern: So how should we best focus this?
Bernadette Hyland: So how should we best focus this? ←
13:23:56 <sandro> ernie: why is this important, what does it do for the country
Ernest Lucier: why is this important, what does it do for the country ←
13:24:15 <sandro> bern: CIO Counsel, subcommitee. Are there equiv forums?
Bernadette Hyland: CIO Counsel, subcommitee. Are there equiv forums? ←
13:24:46 <sandro> ernie: I don't know specifically. We have conferences, and put together documents (not exactly white papers). We're a relatively small agency.
Ernest Lucier: I don't know specifically. We have conferences, and put together documents (not exactly white papers). We're a relatively small agency. ←
13:26:14 <sandro> topic: John Sheridan
13:26:27 <BernadetteHyland> Is there an equivalent to the CIO Councel Data Subcommittee for NITR?
Bernadette Hyland: Is there an equivalent to the CIO Councel Data Subcommittee for NITR? ←
13:26:57 <sandro> johnlsheridan: I happen to be calling from 500-person OKFN event in Berlin. Amazing event
John Sheridan: I happen to be calling from 500-person OKFN event in Berlin. Amazing event ←
13:29:47 <sandro> johnlsheridan: "... published in an open and standardised format". Very important to have that phrase in the document.
John Sheridan: "... published in an open and standardised format". Very important to have that phrase in the document. ←
13:31:34 <DruidSmith> zakim, +1.202.566.aacc is me
David Smith: zakim, +1.202.566.aacc is me ←
13:31:34 <Zakim> +DruidSmith; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +DruidSmith; got it ←
13:42:13 <SimonWall> help
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Simon Wall: help ←
13:42:47 <SimonWall> zakim, help
Simon Wall: zakim, help ←
13:42:47 <Zakim> Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help.
Zakim IRC Bot: Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot for more detailed help. ←
13:42:50 <Zakim> Some of the commands I know are:
Zakim IRC Bot: Some of the commands I know are: ←
13:42:52 <Zakim> xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx is yyy - establish yyy as the name of unknown party xxx ←
13:42:55 <Zakim> if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted
Zakim IRC Bot: if yyy is 'me' or 'I', your nick is substituted ←
13:42:58 <Zakim> xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx may be yyy - establish yyy as possibly the name of unknown party xxx ←
13:43:00 <Zakim> I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: I am xxx - establish your nick as the name of unknown party xxx ←
13:43:02 <Zakim> xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx holds yyy [, zzz ...] - establish xxx as a group name and yyy, etc. as participants within that group ←
13:43:04 <Zakim> xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx
Zakim IRC Bot: xxx also holds yyy - add yyy to the list of participants in group xxx ←
13:43:06 <Zakim> who's here? - lists the participants on the phone
Zakim IRC Bot: who's here? - lists the participants on the phone ←
13:43:09 <Zakim> who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted
Zakim IRC Bot: who's muted? - lists the participants who are muted ←
13:43:11 <Zakim> mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#)
Zakim IRC Bot: mute xxx - mutes party xxx (like pressing 61#) ←
13:43:14 <Zakim> unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61#
Zakim IRC Bot: unmute xxx - reverses the effect of "mute" and of 61# ←
13:43:17 <Zakim> is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present
Zakim IRC Bot: is xxx here? - reports whether a party named like xxx is present ←
13:43:20 <Zakim> list conferences - reports the active conferences
Zakim IRC Bot: list conferences - reports the active conferences ←
13:43:21 <Zakim> this is xxx - associates this channel with conference xxx
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13:43:23 <Zakim> excuse us - disconnects from the irc channel
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13:43:25 <Zakim> I last learned something new on $Date: 2016/03/10 19:28:14 $
Zakim IRC Bot: I last learned something new on $Date: 2016/03/10 19:28:14 $ ←
13:43:31 <SimonWall> zakim, who's here
Simon Wall: zakim, who's here ←
13:43:31 <Zakim> SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?' ←
13:43:35 <SimonWall> zakim, who's here?
Simon Wall: zakim, who's here? ←
13:43:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, boris, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), ??P12, +1.303.275.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, HadleyBeeman, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, boris, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), ??P12, +1.303.275.aadd ←
13:43:35 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan's conclusions: Re-use LD standards, lightweight vocabularies, including data "cube", oragnization, provenance. Create local specializations, e.g., payments & central gov't.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan's conclusions: Re-use LD standards, lightweight vocabularies, including data "cube", oragnization, provenance. Create local specializations, e.g., payments & central gov't. ←
13:43:37 <Zakim> +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen ←
13:43:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, Yigal, johnlsheridan, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, Yigal, johnlsheridan, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, ←
13:43:41 <Zakim> ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot ←
13:44:13 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: Data "Cube" vocab very useful for them for payments.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: Data "Cube" vocab very useful for them for payments. ←
13:45:44 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: Highlighted many reference data sets that were developed for the UK Gov't. One example was for British time intervals for linking statistical & organisational data.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: Highlighted many reference data sets that were developed for the UK Gov't. One example was for British time intervals for linking statistical & organisational data. ←
13:48:17 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: quoted a great Malcolm Gladwell description for the "Chop-o-matic", starts with: â€And how do you persuade people to disrupt their lives?"
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: quoted a great Malcolm Gladwell description for the "Chop-o-matic", starts with: â€And how do you persuade people to disrupt their lives?" ←
13:49:10 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan highlighted Linked Data API was the way to accommodate people who wanted different approaches, JSON, APIs, etc.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan highlighted Linked Data API was the way to accommodate people who wanted different approaches, JSON, APIs, etc. ←
13:51:42 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: Hundreds of UK Gov't organisations have published organisational data as LD, but critically, the data is deeply LINKED. Cross dataset queries were the most interesting.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: Hundreds of UK Gov't organisations have published organisational data as LD, but critically, the data is deeply LINKED. Cross dataset queries were the most interesting. ←
13:52:32 <BernadetteHyland> The process was simple - capture, upload spreadsheet, preview organogram, download RDF & two CSVs, and publish on your website & register with data.gov.uk.
Bernadette Hyland: The process was simple - capture, upload spreadsheet, preview organogram, download RDF & two CSVs, and publish on your website & register with data.gov.uk. ←
13:54:06 <Zakim> + +49.261.287.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +49.261.287.aaee ←
13:55:21 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: Linked Data adds value via reconcilation (linking to other data). The big selling point to gov't executives (#10 Downing St) was visualisations and being able to embed on their own website.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: Linked Data adds value via reconcilation (linking to other data). The big selling point to gov't executives (#10 Downing St) was visualisations and being able to embed on their own website. ←
13:56:29 <BernadetteHyland> John Sheridan: have really focused on making publishing easy, focused on education & outreach & took a Chop-o-matic approach (see Gladwell quote). Plus a bit of promotion to keep momentum.
Bernadette Hyland: John Sheridan: have really focused on making publishing easy, focused on education & outreach & took a Chop-o-matic approach (see Gladwell quote). Plus a bit of promotion to keep momentum. ←
13:56:43 <bkaempgen> +q
Benedikt Kämpgen: +q ←
13:56:47 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
13:57:17 <sandro> ack bkaempgen
ack bkaempgen ←
13:57:24 <boris> boris is here btw
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: boris is here btw ←
13:57:41 <George> @JLS - AMAZING INSPIRING WORK!
George Thomas: @JLS - AMAZING INSPIRING WORK! ←
13:59:40 <BernadetteHyland> queue +
Bernadette Hyland: queue + ←
13:59:52 <sandro> q+
q+ ←
13:59:55 <George> q+
George Thomas: q+ ←
14:00:02 <BernadetteHyland> q+
Bernadette Hyland: q+ ←
14:01:30 <sandro> sandro: why excel vs webapp?
Sandro Hawke: why excel vs webapp? ←
14:02:08 <sandro> johnlsheridan: policy rules were changing in real time -- eg disclose total pay, phone number, etc it was easier and cheaper and quicker
John Sheridan: policy rules were changing in real time -- eg disclose total pay, phone number, etc it was easier and cheaper and quicker ←
14:02:14 <sandro> Around the room, I see: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald
Around the room, I see: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald ←
14:02:37 <sandro> (I hope I got everyone's name right, sitting around the room)
(I hope I got everyone's name right, sitting around the room) ←
14:03:04 <BernadetteHyland> GeorgeT asks JohnS for case studies with metrics, ROI details ...
Bernadette Hyland: GeorgeT asks JohnS for case studies with metrics, ROI details ... ←
14:03:36 <sandro> johnlsheridan: Where are all the IT people in govt? useful to have that query/results.
John Sheridan: Where are all the IT people in govt? useful to have that query/results. ←
14:03:51 <sandro> johnlsheridan: Query of top-paid folks in govt.
John Sheridan: Query of top-paid folks in govt. ←
14:04:15 <sandro> johnlsheridan: Guardian newspaper did some analysis of the data.
John Sheridan: Guardian newspaper did some analysis of the data. ←
14:05:09 <sandro> Around the room, I see: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Rick, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald
Around the room, I see: Dan, Chris, Sandro, GeorgeT, Katherine, Cory, MikeP, Bob, Rick, Ernie, Irene, Greg, Yigal, Brafford, Anne, Bern, Tina, Gerald ←
14:06:19 <HadleyBeeman> Great presentation, John. Thanks!
Hadley Beeman: Great presentation, John. Thanks! ←
14:06:33 <George> thanks again John!
George Thomas: thanks again John! ←
14:06:50 <johnlsheridan> Cheers Hadley (it was hard to do on the phone)
John Sheridan: Cheers Hadley (it was hard to do on the phone) ←
14:10:13 <BernadetteHyland> Currently listening to Boris Villazon Terrazas on Government Linked Data Research Projects in Spain, see wiki for link to presentation:http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1
Bernadette Hyland: Currently listening to Boris Villazon Terrazas on Government Linked Data Research Projects in Spain, see wiki for link to presentation:http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 ←
14:11:18 <BernadetteHyland> Boris: Outlined the process they are following: identification, modelling, generation of RDF data using tools they've developed, and finally publish & exploit information (using pubby )
Boris Villazón-Terrazas: Outlined the process they are following: identification, modelling, generation of RDF data using tools they've developed, and finally publish & exploit information (using pubby ) [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:18:17 <Cory-C> q+
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Cory Casanave: q+ ←
14:19:06 <johnlsheridan> For me too - happy to write up our work for the GLD WG
John Sheridan: For me too - happy to write up our work for the GLD WG ←
14:19:25 <Cory-C> q-
Cory Casanave: q- ←
14:20:49 <BernadetteHyland> Speaking now is Hadley Beeman from the UK re: LinkedGov and the issues they faced around the 'grunt work' of LinkedGov
Bernadette Hyland: Speaking now is Hadley Beeman from the UK re: LinkedGov and the issues they faced around the 'grunt work' of LinkedGov ←
14:21:11 <sandro> topic: Hadley Beeman, UK LinkedGov
14:21:21 <BernadetteHyland> Hadley: working for efficiencies in public & private sector communication
Hadley Beeman: working for efficiencies in public & private sector communication [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:21:49 <sandro> "hundreds of thousands of data teams" did I get that right?
"hundreds of thousands of data teams" did I get that right? ←
14:30:40 <BernadetteHyland> Hadley: Working on tools to better incent government to provide high quality, reusable information so the public can more quickly get accurate answers (and avoid more costly human intervention).
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Hadley Beeman: Working on tools to better incent government to provide high quality, reusable information so the public can more quickly get accurate answers (and avoid more costly human intervention). [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:30:40 <johnlsheridan> +1 to Hadley re provenance
John Sheridan: +1 to Hadley re provenance ←
14:32:16 <BernadetteHyland> Hadley: mentioned usefulness of provenance work that has been done for their work ... talked about what is realistic given budgets & time available, and what can be expected of the public to help.
Hadley Beeman: mentioned usefulness of provenance work that has been done for their work ... talked about what is realistic given budgets & time available, and what can be expected of the public to help. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:32:20 <johnlsheridan> Hadley, we should have a chat sometime about linking definitions (terms) to terms defined in legislation
John Sheridan: Hadley, we should have a chat sometime about linking definitions (terms) to terms defined in legislation ←
14:33:11 <johnlsheridan> Hadley, nice presentation - an important contribution. Government Linked Data is all about the ecosystem
John Sheridan: Hadley, nice presentation - an important contribution. Government Linked Data is all about the ecosystem ←
14:34:08 <sandro> topic: Anne Washington, Legacy Data
14:34:16 <HadleyBeeman> Yes, Sandro - that's an estimate, but there are a lot of public bodies and data teams in the UK. (Â "hundreds of thousands of data teams" Â Â did I get that right?)
Hadley Beeman: Yes, Sandro - that's an estimate, but there are a lot of public bodies and data teams in the UK. (Â "hundreds of thousands of data teams" Â Â did I get that right?) ←
14:35:18 <HadleyBeeman> John, that chat would be great. I've been thinking about that (from our last conversation); huge potential in enriching the data by linking to/through legislation.
Hadley Beeman: John, that chat would be great. I've been thinking about that (from our last conversation); huge potential in enriching the data by linking to/through legislation. ←
14:35:19 <johnlsheridan> Sandro, depends what you count - if you count parish councils, school boards, the number of separate public bodies with data, is massive
John Sheridan: Sandro, depends what you count - if you count parish councils, school boards, the number of separate public bodies with data, is massive ←
14:35:52 <HadleyBeeman> (And thanks, John— you're right, it isn't easy on the phone!)
Hadley Beeman: (And thanks, John— you're right, it isn't easy on the phone!) ←
14:36:20 <BernadetteHyland> Anne L. Washington on Deliverables related to Stability & Legacy Data activites
Bernadette Hyland: Anne L. Washington on Deliverables related to Stability & Legacy Data activites ←
14:37:04 <BernadetteHyland> Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1
Bernadette Hyland: Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 ←
14:37:15 <HadleyBeeman> John and Sandro: also, most public bodies have multiple disparate teams publishing data on different topics.
Hadley Beeman: John and Sandro: also, most public bodies have multiple disparate teams publishing data on different topics. ←
14:37:34 <Zakim> +Jeanne
Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeanne ←
14:38:15 <BernadetteHyland> Anne Washington: Be sure to recognize government timescale, it is slower than industry and therefore solution need to accommodate the pace.
Bernadette Hyland: Anne Washington: Be sure to recognize government timescale, it is slower than industry and therefore solution need to accommodate the pace. ←
14:39:12 <johnlsheridan> +1 to Anne re sustainability. Especially important re URIs. One answer is to write contract requirements for maintaining a URI Set, and publish the contract. so, for legislation, maintaining the URI Set is a requirement on the contractor for next 5 years. Better still would be statutory requirements, but we are a ways off with that for URIs
John Sheridan: +1 to Anne re sustainability. Especially important re URIs. One answer is to write contract requirements for maintaining a URI Set, and publish the contract. so, for legislation, maintaining the URI Set is a requirement on the contractor for next 5 years. Better still would be statutory requirements, but we are a ways off with that for URIs ←
14:39:13 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: On Legacy Data, everyone wants things in RDF, but it would better considered a "search problem" first & foremost. We don't need perfect data out of the gates.
Anne Washington: On Legacy Data, everyone wants things in RDF, but it would better considered a "search problem" first & foremost. We don't need perfect data out of the gates. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:39:46 <sandro> okay, thanks, HadleyBeeman, johnlsheridan :)
okay, thanks, HadleyBeeman, johnlsheridan :) ←
14:40:23 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: Best practice on Stability - there are different appoaches (e.g., handles, PURLs) which is OK. Library of Congress used handles, US GPO used PURLs.
Anne Washington: Best practice on Stability - there are different appoaches (e.g., handles, PURLs) which is OK. Library of Congress used handles, US GPO used PURLs. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:41:04 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: Look at areas of innovation, but keep stability at front of the queue. That is what matters in gov't.
Anne Washington: Look at areas of innovation, but keep stability at front of the queue. That is what matters in gov't. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:41:31 <johnlsheridan> Btw, we are looking to support URN:Lex too (as some others use that) off the back of our Linked Data RDF store. Preferring HTTP URIs doesn't mean you can't play nicely with other approaches. Very similar issue wrt other URNs. We should link from http URIs to URN based schemes, where they have traction
John Sheridan: Btw, we are looking to support URN:Lex too (as some others use that) off the back of our Linked Data RDF store. Preferring HTTP URIs doesn't mean you can't play nicely with other approaches. Very similar issue wrt other URNs. We should link from http URIs to URN based schemes, where they have traction ←
14:42:05 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: Initial stability characteristics include naming (persistent, predicatble, distributed resolution, scalable, legacy, naming), Location, Levels of Granularity.
Anne Washington: Initial stability characteristics include naming (persistent, predicatble, distributed resolution, scalable, legacy, naming), Location, Levels of Granularity. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:43:19 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: "Standards work when they are bite size enough to take home and show their manager."
Anne Washington: "Standards work when they are bite size enough to take home and show their manager." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:43:40 <johnlsheridan> q+
John Sheridan: q+ ←
14:46:02 <Zakim> +??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P35 ←
14:46:28 <johnlsheridan> We do this deep linking, eg http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/2009/26/section/6/1 (subsection 1 - resolves to a frag id in a doc)
John Sheridan: We do this deep linking, eg http://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/2009/26/section/6/1 (subsection 1 - resolves to a frag id in a doc) ←
14:47:15 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
14:47:51 <BernadetteHyland> Michael Aisentberg: Asked question around authoritative version, provenence of content. Referenced the Cornell site...
Bernadette Hyland: Michael Aisentberg: Asked question around authoritative version, provenence of content. Referenced the Cornell site... ←
14:48:49 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: It needs to come from official source, the people who created it. "We want to make sure it is the government on the Web and not a dog behind it." Must have a gov't URL behind it & ensure Gov't keeps it current.
Anne Washington: It needs to come from official source, the people who created it. "We want to make sure it is the government on the Web and not a dog behind it." Must have a gov't URL behind it & ensure Gov't keeps it current. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:49:34 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: Consider having a PURL behind the link for continuity. Australians and UK are way ahead of us on this.
Anne Washington: Consider having a PURL behind the link for continuity. Australians and UK are way ahead of us on this. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:51:00 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:51:02 <Zakim> +??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P12 ←
14:51:08 <BernadetteHyland> Katherine G (from L3 Communications): Asked a question about Federal Register still being printed in this day and age. (Note: Federal Register is available digitally).
Bernadette Hyland: Katherine G (from L3 Communications): Asked a question about Federal Register still being printed in this day and age. (Note: Federal Register is available digitally). ←
14:51:20 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aaff
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.440.389.aaff ←
14:51:23 <tobo> Tope Omitola in .
Tope Omitola: Tope Omitola in . ←
14:51:35 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, +1.440.389.aaff is me
Hadley Beeman: zakim, +1.440.389.aaff is me ←
14:51:35 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it ←
14:51:36 <annew> and johnsheridan didn't pay me to say what a great job they are doing.
Anne Washington: and johnsheridan didn't pay me to say what a great job they are doing. ←
14:51:57 <tobo> No problem.
Tope Omitola: No problem. ←
14:52:11 <johnlsheridan> waves to annew - thank you - agreed with a lot of your talk
John Sheridan: waves to annew - thank you - agreed with a lot of your talk ←
14:53:20 <tobo> Could somebody mute their mike.
Tope Omitola: Could somebody mute their mike. ←
14:55:19 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: Asked Hadley question about how her work is funded. Hadley said funding comes from UK Government Technology STrategy Board and they are exploring a "freemium" model too.
Anne Washington: Asked Hadley question about how her work is funded. Hadley said funding comes from UK Government Technology STrategy Board and they are exploring a "freemium" model too. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
14:55:51 <BernadetteHyland> We're taking a quick 3 min stretch break. Back at 11:00AM US ET with Michael Aisenberg's talk on Privacy & gov't data.
Bernadette Hyland: We're taking a quick 3 min stretch break. Back at 11:00AM US ET with Michael Aisenberg's talk on Privacy & gov't data. ←
14:56:25 <johnlsheridan> I'm going to have to go. Really sorry I couldn't be there or stay for longer (as I'm at OKCon) - really enjoyed the presentations I heard - looking forward to contributing to the WG. There is lots for us all to do!
John Sheridan: I'm going to have to go. Really sorry I couldn't be there or stay for longer (as I'm at OKCon) - really enjoyed the presentations I heard - looking forward to contributing to the WG. There is lots for us all to do! ←
14:56:54 <Zakim> -??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P12 ←
14:57:17 <Zakim> -boris
Zakim IRC Bot: -boris ←
14:58:57 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, who's here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who's here? ←
14:58:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +1.303.275.aadd, +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, ??P1, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +1.303.275.aadd, +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman ←
14:59:03 <Zakim> +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen ←
14:59:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, SimonWall, Zakim, ←
14:59:12 <Zakim> ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot ←
15:04:45 <tobo> ok.
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Tope Omitola: ok. ←
15:10:27 <BernadetteHyland> Michael Aisenberg (MITRE) on Privacy and Personally Identifiable Information (PII).
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Bernadette Hyland: Michael Aisenberg (MITRE) on Privacy and Personally Identifiable Information (PII). ←
15:10:39 <sandro> Topic: Michael Aisenberg (MITRE) on Privacy and Personally Identifiable Information (PII).
15:12:15 <BernadetteHyland> What makes the US Gov't a bit different is special treatment of individual's data in sectors - specifically, children (COPPA), Health info (HIPAA), banking & financial service info (Sarbanes/Oxley), and global presense of US collectors.
Bernadette Hyland: What makes the US Gov't a bit different is special treatment of individual's data in sectors - specifically, children (COPPA), Health info (HIPAA), banking & financial service info (Sarbanes/Oxley), and global presence of U.S. collectors: EU Safe Harbor Agreement of US collectors. ←
15:12:40 <BernadetteHyland> s/presense/presence of U.S. collectors: EU Safe Harbor Agreement
15:18:53 <Zakim> - +1.303.275.aadd
(No events recorded for 6 minutes)
Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.275.aadd ←
15:20:56 <SimonWall> zakim, ??P1 is me
Simon Wall: zakim, ??P1 is me ←
15:20:56 <Zakim> +SimonWall; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +SimonWall; got it ←
15:23:10 <SimonWall> zakim, who's here
Simon Wall: zakim, who's here ←
15:23:10 <Zakim> SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?'
Zakim IRC Bot: SimonWall, you need to end that query with '?' ←
15:23:14 <SimonWall> zakim, who's here?
Simon Wall: zakim, who's here? ←
15:23:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, SimonWall, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.703.292.aaaa, +49.721.aabb, SimonWall, DruidSmith (muted), martinAlvarez (muted), +49.261.287.aaee, Jeanne, ??P35 (muted), HadleyBeeman ←
15:23:20 <Zakim> +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen
Zakim IRC Bot: +49.721.aabb has bkaempgen ←
15:23:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see annew, Yigal_, tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see annew, Yigal_, tobo, chrism, Jeanne, BartVanLeeuwen, Debbie, Cory-C, DruidSmith, RRSAgent, BernadetteHyland, martinAlvarez, bkaempgen, boris, George, wbrafford, ←
15:23:29 <Zakim> ... SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... SimonWall, Zakim, danbri, HadleyBeeman, cygri, sandro, gtw, Ansgar_Scherp, trackbot ←
15:26:53 <BernadetteHyland> Yigal: Asked a question about international collection of PII data.
Yigal Arens: Asked a question about international collection of PII data. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:28:36 <BernadetteHyland> MichaelA: Highly granular control of PII is commensurate with US & UK ... US corporations have a weak burden of duty for PII they collect from citizens.
Michael Aisenberg: Highly granular control of PII is commensurate with US & UK ... US corporations have a weak burden of duty for PII they collect from citizens. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:31:04 <sandro> dan: (question missed)
Dan Gilman: (question missed) ←
15:31:07 <Zakim> -??P35
Zakim IRC Bot: -??P35 ←
15:31:14 <Zakim> +??P31
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←
15:31:18 <sandro> kath: nstic connections?
Katherine Goodier: nstic connections? ←
15:31:27 <BartVanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P31 is me
Bart Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P31 is me ←
15:31:27 <Zakim> +BartVanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartVanLeeuwen; got it ←
15:31:48 <sandro> mikea: my colleage, Weitzl, ... we might have a MITRE or ABA comment.
Michael Aisenberg: my colleage, Weitzl, ... we might have a MITRE or ABA comment. ←
15:32:09 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
15:32:41 <Zakim> +??P5
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5 ←
15:34:14 <BernadetteHyland> Speaking now is Cory Casanave on Solving the pervasive Data Problem
Bernadette Hyland: Speaking now is Cory Casanave on Solving the pervasive Data Problem ←
15:36:36 <BernadetteHyland> Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 if you are speaking, please check. Appreciate your understanding as the schedule has changed to accommodate the many good talks people having been giving ... and the Q&A that followed.
Bernadette Hyland: Please see the updated agenda on http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 if you are speaking, please check. Appreciate your understanding as the schedule has changed to accommodate the many good talks people having been giving ... and the Q&A that followed. ←
15:37:49 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri are you planning to speak on FOAF?
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri are you planning to speak on FOAF? ←
15:39:00 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: Updated everyone on the Federal Data Architecture Subcommittee - Open Government Vocabularies Wokring Group (OGV).
Cory Casanave: Updated everyone on the Federal Data Architecture Subcommittee - Open Government Vocabularies Wokring Group (OGV). [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:39:01 <danbri> hello Bernadette, everyone. I'm afraid I only saw Sandro's mail earlier today, and have some other commitments, ... so I was planning only to try to observe quietly from IRC
Dan Brickley: hello Bernadette, everyone. I'm afraid I only saw Sandro's mail earlier today, and have some other commitments, ... so I was planning only to try to observe quietly from IRC ←
15:39:27 <HadleyBeeman> I need to be going… best of luck with the rest of the session. Thanks again for inviting me, BernadetteHyland, George and Sandro!
Hadley Beeman: I need to be going… best of luck with the rest of the session. Thanks again for inviting me, BernadetteHyland, George and Sandro! ←
15:39:38 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: Caveat - this group can make recommendations, there is a White Paper on this available to this group (not yet public), however, this group has no official authority to mandate anything.
Cory Casanave: Caveat - this group can make recommendations, there is a White Paper on this available to this group (not yet public), however, this group has no official authority to mandate anything. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:39:44 <danbri> But I would like to say, that if there are changes around FOAF that will make it more useful or appropriate for this audience, I would love to start that conversation
Dan Brickley: But I would like to say, that if there are changes around FOAF that will make it more useful or appropriate for this audience, I would love to start that conversation ←
15:40:05 <danbri> (re long-term maintainance; or downplaying some of the older frivolous terms, etc... or re adding terms)
Dan Brickley: (re long-term maintainance; or downplaying some of the older frivolous terms, etc... or re adding terms) ←
15:40:27 <sandro> Thanks for coming, HadleyBeeman !
Thanks for coming, HadleyBeeman ! ←
15:40:45 <HadleyBeeman> Bye, Sandro!
Hadley Beeman: Bye, Sandro! ←
15:40:49 <annew> Bye HadleyBeeman. loved what you are doing
Anne Washington: Bye HadleyBeeman. loved what you are doing ←
15:41:07 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri are you able to speak at 13:45 US ET today? or is that too late for you?
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri are you able to speak at 13:45 US ET today? or is that too late for you? ←
15:41:15 <HadleyBeeman> Thanks, Annew. Hope we'll get to talk more about it— we need loads of help. :)
Hadley Beeman: Thanks, Annew. Hope we'll get to talk more about it— we need loads of help. :) ←
15:41:20 <HadleyBeeman> Bye, all!
Hadley Beeman: Bye, all! ←
15:43:16 <danbri> I'm afraid I'll be heading off shortly; would it be possible to start a discussion by email [somewhere?] though?
Dan Brickley: I'm afraid I'll be heading off shortly; would it be possible to start a discussion by email [somewhere?] though? ←
15:43:56 <sandro> danbri, how about joiing the WG and discussing it on public-gld-wg ?
danbri, how about joiing the WG and discussing it on public-gld-wg ? ←
15:43:59 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri - yes, I would suggest that your talk be scheduled for one of our upcoming weekly GLD calls. Would that work for you? Sandro is working on survey results to confirm best time for everyone.
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri - yes, I would suggest that your talk be scheduled for one of our upcoming weekly GLD calls. Would that work for you? Sandro is working on survey results to confirm best time for everyone. ←
15:44:13 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri, did you complete survey re: timeslot?
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri, did you complete survey re: timeslot? ←
15:45:26 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: I hope that we can band together on a "common theme, common message to solve data problems."
Cory Casanave: I hope that we can band together on a "common theme, common message to solve data problems." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
15:45:35 <bkaempgen> +q
Benedikt Kämpgen: +q ←
15:45:44 <danbri> I didn't complete survey, maybe I can squeeze one more WG into my life... will take a look at the poll and find a way to follow up
Dan Brickley: I didn't complete survey, maybe I can squeeze one more WG into my life... will take a look at the poll and find a way to follow up ←
15:46:58 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri ... right, there is word for that ... YAWG (remember YAK and LEX ;-)
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri ... right, there is word for that ... YAWG (remember YAK and LEX ;-) ←
15:47:07 <danbri> :)
Dan Brickley: :) ←
15:47:20 <BartVanLeeuwen> :)
Bart Leeuwen: :) ←
15:47:36 <Ansgar_Scherp> so, how many WG do you do at the same time?
Ansgar Scherp: so, how many WG do you do at the same time? ←
15:47:36 <BernadetteHyland> @danbri, even if you don't join formally, having your expertise on reviewing some of the vocab recommendations would be very welcome. You can dabble in our WG ;-)
Bernadette Hyland: @danbri, even if you don't join formally, having your expertise on reviewing some of the vocab recommendations would be very welcome. You can dabble in our WG ;-) ←
15:47:40 <sandro> danbri, http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/gld-sched/ -- clear winner at the moment is: Thursdays, 7am San Francisco, 10am Boston, 3pm London, 4pm Paris
danbri, http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/gld-sched/ -- clear winner at the moment is: Thursdays, 7am San Francisco, 10am Boston, 3pm London, 4pm Paris ←
15:48:07 <danbri> thanks! having some partial involvement without feeling guilty for not being 100% member would be ideal...
Dan Brickley: thanks! having some partial involvement without feeling guilty for not being 100% member would be ideal... ←
15:48:38 <BernadetteHyland> Speaking is Katherine (L3)
Bernadette Hyland: Speaking is Katherine (L3) ←
15:49:09 <BernadetteHyland> @topo - are you ready to speak, you are on deck
Bernadette Hyland: @topo - are you ready to speak, you are on deck ←
15:49:10 <sandro> kath: Is privacy one of these domains?
Katherine Goodier: Is privacy one of these domains? ←
15:49:12 <sandro> cory: Yes
Cory Casanave: Yes ←
15:49:54 <tobo> Yes.
Tope Omitola: Yes. ←
15:50:12 <sandro> mikea: I think I just had an epiphany. It's hard to get eng. and arch.s to distinguish principles from architecture. but architecture is polticits. although, when creating them, they are sep domains.
Michael Aisenberg: I think I just had an epiphany. It's hard to get eng. and arch.s to distinguish principles from architecture. but architecture is polticits. although, when creating them, they are sep domains. ←
15:50:18 <BernadetteHyland> @sandro ... only in your special world does 30% * 6 = 100%
Bernadette Hyland: @sandro ... only in your special world does 30% * 6 = 100% ←
15:50:32 <tobo> @BernadetteHyland. Yes, tobo is Ready to talk.
Tope Omitola: @BernadetteHyland. Yes, tobo is Ready to talk. ←
15:50:50 <sandro> (it actually does add up -- I'm in rif and owl at 0% each, etc.)
(it actually does add up -- I'm in rif and owl at 0% each, etc.) ←
15:51:56 <bkaempgen> Benedikt has to run, Thanks!
Benedikt Kämpgen: Benedikt has to run, Thanks! ←
15:52:08 <BartVanLeeuwen> sandro, your webcam stream works brilliant now I'm on better bandwidth
Bart Leeuwen: sandro, your webcam stream works brilliant now I'm on better bandwidth ←
15:52:11 <Zakim> - +49.721.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: - +49.721.aabb ←
15:52:50 <BernadetteHyland> Tope Omitola from University of Southampton on Provenance Models for Linking Data
Bernadette Hyland: Tope Omitola from University of Southampton on Provenance Models for Linking Data ←
15:53:06 <sandro> topic: Tope Omitola from University of Southampton on Provenance Models for Linking Data
15:55:37 <BernadetteHyland> @annew there is your dog behind the wheel ... that is a classic cartoon :-)
Bernadette Hyland: @annew there is your dog behind the wheel ... that is a classic cartoon :-) ←
15:56:05 <SimonWall> sandro, those times are pretty good for me - midnight in Canberra is not as bad as it could be
Simon Wall: sandro, those times are pretty good for me - midnight in Canberra is not as bad as it could be ←
15:59:30 <BartVanLeeuwen> sandro: who is that again on your right side ? ( /me is notoriously bad with names :( )
Sandro Hawke: who is that again on your right side ? ( /me is notoriously bad with names :( ) [ Scribe Assist by Bart Leeuwen ] ←
15:59:51 <annew> @bernadette glad to have a visual reference for my quote from the New yorker... July 5, 1993
Anne Washington: @bernadette glad to have a visual reference for my quote from the New yorker... July 5, 1993 ←
16:00:15 <sandro> BartVanLeeuwen, that's George Thomas, co-chair. I figure'd I'd let the camera show only Bern for long enough. :-)
BartVanLeeuwen, that's George Thomas, co-chair. I figure'd I'd let the camera show only Bern for long enough. :-) ←
16:00:26 <BartVanLeeuwen> :D
Bart Leeuwen: :D ←
16:00:51 <sandro> maybe I should slowly move the camera around the room, but it tends to make people dizzy.
maybe I should slowly move the camera around the room, but it tends to make people dizzy. ←
16:01:38 <BartVanLeeuwen> are there minuts from yesterday afternoon somewhere ?
Bart Leeuwen: are there minuts from yesterday afternoon somewhere ? ←
16:02:39 <sandro> BartVanLeeuwen, there's a raw IRC log, but I'm having some trouble with the proper formatting. (some server bug I can't concentrate on right now.) http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-gld-irc
BartVanLeeuwen, there's a raw IRC log, but I'm having some trouble with the proper formatting. (some server bug I can't concentrate on right now.) http://www.w3.org/2011/06/29-gld-irc ←
16:03:44 <BartVanLeeuwen> k
Bart Leeuwen: k ←
16:04:36 <BartVanLeeuwen> dinner time here I'll try to back at 14:00 for the charter discussion
Bart Leeuwen: dinner time here I'll try to back at 14:00 for the charter discussion ←
16:06:01 <Zakim> -BartVanLeeuwen
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16:06:16 <BernadetteHyland> @BartVanLeeuwen - what is your evening schedule? Are you able to participate in discussion of charter items at 14:00 US ET or is that too late for you?
Bernadette Hyland: @BartVanLeeuwen - what is your evening schedule? Are you able to participate in discussion of charter items at 14:00 US ET or is that too late for you? ←
16:07:21 <BernadetteHyland> @topo - 1 minute warning to wrap up please
Bernadette Hyland: @topo - 1 minute warning to wrap up please ←
16:07:43 <BartVanLeeuwen> @BernadetteHyland , that is my plan, that will be 20:00 here, I just hope you meet that schedule ;)
Bart Leeuwen: @BernadetteHyland , that is my plan, that will be 20:00 here, I just hope you meet that schedule ;) ←
16:08:00 <BartVanLeeuwen> I will at least pop back in here then
Bart Leeuwen: I will at least pop back in here then ←
16:08:33 <BartVanLeeuwen> later
Bart Leeuwen: later ←
16:10:25 <BernadetteHyland> @BartVanLeeuwen - I believe we can make that time. We have a lunch break and only one presentation, by Irene from TopQuadrant before the 14:00 charter discussion ... so I appreciate your hanging around for that.
Bernadette Hyland: @BartVanLeeuwen - I believe we can make that time. We have a lunch break and only one presentation, by Irene from TopQuadrant before the 14:00 charter discussion ... so I appreciate your hanging around for that. ←
16:12:11 <BernadetteHyland> Yigal Arens, Deputy Director, ISS (Information Sciences Institute from USC) on The effect of government support for e-government research
Bernadette Hyland: Yigal Arens, Deputy Director, ISS (Information Sciences Institute from USC) on The effect of government support for e-government research ←
16:13:19 <sandro> Yigal: dg.o is the major north america egov conf, ...
Yigal Arens: dg.o is the major north america egov conf, ... ←
16:15:04 <sandro> yigal: govt agencies had to be involved in proposal, but then switched to "cluster"
Yigal Arens: govt agencies had to be involved in proposal, but then switched to "cluster" ←
16:16:59 <sandro> yigal: Digitial gov, like every app, requires additional work from the researcher; unless funded to do so, they are not likely to do it.
Yigal Arens: Digitial gov, like every app, requires additional work from the researcher; unless funded to do so, they are not likely to do it. ←
16:18:34 <BernadetteHyland> Yigal: "There is a real loss if there is less research being done for digital government. Decisions made by private sector are very different than those of gov't agencies."
Yigal Arens: "There is a real loss if there is less research being done for digital government. Decisions made by private sector are very different than those of gov't agencies." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:19:07 <sandro> Yigal: Due to lack of govt funding, we see people fleeing the area for the past 10 years.
Yigal Arens: Due to lack of govt funding, we see people fleeing the area for the past 10 years. ←
16:19:29 <BernadetteHyland> Yigal: "We see researchers fleeing way from digital government due to less grant funding being available in the last 10 years" and that is a real loss.
Yigal Arens: "We see researchers fleeing way from digital government due to less grant funding being available in the last 10 years" and that is a real loss. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:20:00 <annew> +1 that we need a sustainable business model for doing research that impacts govt technology
Anne Washington: +1 that we need a sustainable business model for doing research that impacts govt technology ←
16:26:57 <Zakim> -DruidSmith
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16:26:58 <BernadetteHyland> MichaelA: "R&D investment in the USA at established mainstream companies has gone from approximately 18% to below 5% in the last decade. For startups, it is higher typically, but in mainstream companies it has gone down drastically."
Michael Aisenberg: "R&D investment in the USA at established mainstream companies has gone from approximately 18% to below 5% in the last decade. For startups, it is higher typically, but in mainstream companies it has gone down drastically." [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:28:28 <sandro> mikea: Without the Office of Technology Assessment, there is much less expertise to make these budget decisions.
Michael Aisenberg: Without the Office of Technology Assessment, there is much less expertise to make these budget decisions. ←
16:28:35 <BernadetteHyland> MichaelA: There isn't sophisticated capabilities to make these arguments in Congress ... in the 1980s-1990s we had university, corporate research & gov't funding to support innovation research.
Michael Aisenberg: There isn't sophisticated capabilities to make these arguments in Congress ... in the 1980s-1990s we had university, corporate research & gov't funding to support innovation research. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:29:01 <annew> Duly noted that the Congressional Research Service still provides technical nonpartisan advice to Congress.
Anne Washington: Duly noted that the Congressional Research Service still provides technical nonpartisan advice to Congress. ←
16:29:07 <sandro> yigal: The US spends 6% of GDP on research, EU 3%
Yigal Arens: The US spends 6% of GDP on research, EU 3% ←
16:29:21 <tobo> Folks, I have to go . Good set of speeches. I hope to join again in the afternoon.
Tope Omitola: Folks, I have to go . Good set of speeches. I hope to join again in the afternoon. ←
16:29:53 <annew> good work on provenance tobo!
Anne Washington: good work on provenance tobo! ←
16:30:17 <tobo> Thanks, annew. Further work still to do on there.
Tope Omitola: Thanks, annew. Further work still to do on there. ←
16:30:50 <SimonWall> Can't hear Irene at all
Simon Wall: Can't hear Irene at all ←
16:30:57 <SimonWall> Better
Simon Wall: Better ←
16:31:42 <sandro> irene: we have linkmodels.org
Irene Polikoff: we have linkmodels.org ←
16:32:38 <Zakim> -??P5
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16:33:11 <BernadetteHyland> Topic: Irene Polikoff (TopQuadrant) on Linked Data Models
16:33:34 <sandro> irene: It's a bit frustrating when a lot of work goes into developing a model and it sits unused.
Irene Polikoff: It's a bit frustrating when a lot of work goes into developing a model and it sits unused. ←
16:34:29 <BernadetteHyland> See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 for updated agenda. We are lookingt to start at 13:40 US ET on Charter Items discussion for the benefit of our faithful participants in EU and AU.
Bernadette Hyland: See http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1 for updated agenda. We are lookingt to start at 13:40 US ET on Charter Items discussion for the benefit of our faithful participants in EU and AU. ←
16:35:29 <BernadetteHyland> Irene: Importance of overall ontology architecture and the varying perspectives organizationally.
Irene Polikoff: Importance of overall ontology architecture and the varying perspectives organizationally. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:35:48 <sandro> Irene: VAEM -- Vocab for Attaching Essential Metadata
Irene Polikoff: VAEM -- Vocab for Attaching Essential Metadata ←
16:37:13 <sandro> irene: most of VOiD wasn't directly applicable.
Irene Polikoff: most of VOiD wasn't directly applicable. ←
16:41:09 <BernadetteHyland> Irene: discussed the QUDT (quantities, units, dimension and types) work they've done, see http://qudt.org. Very useful & revelant to GLD!!!
Irene Polikoff: discussed the QUDT (quantities, units, dimension and types) work they've done, see http://qudt.org. Very useful & revelant to GLD!!! [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:41:37 <BernadetteHyland> Also see: www.linkedmodel.org/catalog/qudt/1.1
Bernadette Hyland: Also see: www.linkedmodel.org/catalog/qudt/1.1 ←
16:44:00 <BernadetteHyland> Irene: Mentioned oeGov: Ontologies of US Government work performed by Ralph Hodgeson (TopQuadrant). See http://oeGov.us
Irene Polikoff: Mentioned oeGov: Ontologies of US Government work performed by Ralph Hodgeson (TopQuadrant). See http://oeGov.us [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:45:47 <BernadetteHyland> Dan: Mentioned ISO IEC11404 - General Purpose Data Types Ontology (pub 2007), freely available.
Dan Gilman: Mentioned ISO IEC11404 - General Purpose Data Types Ontology (pub 2007), freely available. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
16:49:21 <Zakim> - +49.261.287.aaee
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16:50:01 <sandro> Yigal: Correcting numbers on R&D, its 3 and 1.5 % of gdp.
Yigal Arens: Correcting numbers on R&D, its 3 and 1.5 % of gdp. ←
16:50:10 <Zakim> -martinAlvarez
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16:50:15 <SimonWall> off now, back in an hour
Simon Wall: off now, back in an hour ←
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17:13:13 <BartVanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P11 is me
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17:52:28 <Zakim> +??P2
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17:52:40 <martin> zakim, ??p2 is me
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17:52:52 <martin> zakim, mute me
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17:53:33 <BartVanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P4 is me
Bart Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P4 is me ←
17:53:33 <Zakim> +BartVanLeeuwen; got it
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17:53:43 <BartVanLeeuwen> Zakim, please mute me
Bart Leeuwen: Zakim, please mute me ←
17:53:43 <Zakim> BartVanLeeuwen should now be muted
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17:54:45 <SimonWall> zakim, ??p3 is me
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17:54:45 <Zakim> +SimonWall; got it
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17:57:04 <Zakim> + +1.703.292.aahh
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17:58:09 <Zakim> -Jeanne
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18:02:13 <BernadetteHyland> Getting ready to start, dialed in to conference line now ...
Bernadette Hyland: Getting ready to start, dialed in to conference line now ... ←
18:04:16 <BernadetteHyland> Public Account Request Form see, http://www.w3.org/Help/Account/Request/Public
Bernadette Hyland: Public Account Request Form see, http://www.w3.org/Help/Account/Request/Public ←
18:07:51 <George> http://www.w3.org/2011/gld
George Thomas: http://www.w3.org/2011/gld ←
18:08:03 <George> links to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1_Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary
George Thomas: links to http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/F2F1_Community_Directory_Discussion_Summary ←
18:10:02 <SimonWall> \me Zakim, who is here?
Simon Wall: \me Zakim, who is here? ←
18:10:53 <BartVanLeeuwen> hmm my audio connection is really bad :(
Bart Leeuwen: hmm my audio connection is really bad :( ←
18:11:12 <SimonWall> \me Zakim, who is here?
Simon Wall: \me Zakim, who is here? ←
18:12:25 <sandro> topic: Review of Deliverables
18:12:27 <BernadetteHyland> William Bradford from Revelytix reviewing some early notes on Community Directory Discussion (corresponds to Deliverable 2.1)
Bernadette Hyland: William Bradford from Revelytix reviewing some early notes on Community Directory Discussion (corresponds to Deliverable 2.1) ←
18:12:30 <sandro> subtopic: Community Directory
18:12:57 <sandro> mikea: "publicity" sounds a bit mendacious, let's go with "outreach"
Michael Aisenberg: "publicity" sounds a bit mendacious, let's go with "outreach" ←
18:13:12 <sandro> sandro: let's split pre-wg outreach and post-wg outreach
Sandro Hawke: let's split pre-wg outreach and post-wg outreach ←
18:14:36 <sandro> rick: Structure directory so we know Technology Policy Leaders
Richard Murphy: Structure directory so we know Technology Policy Leaders ←
18:15:27 <BernadetteHyland> Rick M: Discussed the Community Directory potentially having a bio and some basic info for the "technology policy leadership"
Bernadette Hyland: Rick M: Discussed the Community Directory potentially having a bio and some basic info for the "technology policy leadership" ←
18:16:05 <BernadetteHyland> MichaelA: Suggested doing this by role and not person's name. Maybe an institutional/affiliation contact.
Michael Aisenberg: Suggested doing this by role and not person's name. Maybe an institutional/affiliation contact. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
18:16:44 <BernadetteHyland> Rick M: Open Gov't was a really strong component of incoming US Administration's policy ... when money becomes tight, civil society takes up the "slack" when budgets are reduced.
Bernadette Hyland: Rick M: Open Gov't was a really strong component of incoming US Administration's policy ... when money becomes tight, civil society takes up the "slack" when budgets are reduced. ←
18:17:10 <BernadetteHyland> Rick M: e.g., Sunlight Foundation, codeforamerica.org, others who are taking up the slack.
Bernadette Hyland: Rick M: e.g., Sunlight Foundation, codeforamerica.org, others who are taking up the slack. ←
18:17:54 <BernadetteHyland> Rick M: We need a plan for engagement with civil society to make it relevant for them, e.g., a listing for Sunlight Foundation, pothole.com, etc who are fulfilling the social initiatives.
Bernadette Hyland: Rick M: We need a plan for engagement with civil society to make it relevant for them, e.g., a listing for Sunlight Foundation, pothole.com, etc who are fulfilling the social initiatives. ←
18:18:54 <BernadetteHyland> Cory: Asked whether "Open Government" initiative still has staying power as a brand.
Cory Casanave: Asked whether "Open Government" initiative still has staying power as a brand. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
18:19:24 <BernadetteHyland> Rick M: Open Government still has "brand" internationally.
Bernadette Hyland: Rick M: Open Government still has "brand" internationally. ←
18:20:04 <BernadetteHyland> MichaelA: "Rule of Law democracy has worked for 100 years" (Jackson)
Michael Aisenberg: "Rule of Law democracy has worked for 100 years" (Jackson) [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
18:24:18 <BernadetteHyland> Action Item: Rick - List of policy leaders per country so we know who to engage throughout the world. The second list is a list of organizations in civil society who we think are important to engage with.
Bernadette Hyland: Action Item: Rick - List of policy leaders per country so we know who to engage throughout the world. The second list is a list of organizations in civil society who we think are important to engage with. ←
18:24:18 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Item
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Item ←
18:25:00 <BartVanLeeuwen> I know some dutch organisations for list 2
Bart Leeuwen: I know some dutch organisations for list 2 ←
18:28:07 <BartVanLeeuwen> are there multiple mics ?? some people are easy to understand, some are waaay in the backgroun
Bart Leeuwen: are there multiple mics ?? some people are easy to understand, some are waaay in the backgroun ←
18:32:26 <Zakim> -BartVanLeeuwen
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18:33:07 <SimonWall> sound was ok for presentations, almost unintelligible now discussion has started
Simon Wall: sound was ok for presentations, almost unintelligible now discussion has started ←
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18:33:35 <Zakim> +??P3
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18:33:42 <sandro> sorry, SimonWall, I'm in the room and can barely hear anything.
sorry, SimonWall, I'm in the room and can barely hear anything. ←
18:33:58 <sandro> some sort of after-lunch quietness
some sort of after-lunch quietness ←
18:34:22 <Zakim> +??P4
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18:35:03 <sandro> can you hear William, speaking right now?
can you hear William, speaking right now? ←
18:35:12 <SimonWall> yes william ok
Simon Wall: yes william ok ←
18:35:16 <BartVanLeeuwen_> yup
Bart Leeuwen: yup ←
18:35:41 <martin> yes, better. Thanks
Martín Álvarez: yes, better. Thanks ←
18:36:49 <BartVanLeeuwen> some people are stil waaay in the back
Bart Leeuwen: some people are stil waaay in the back ←
18:40:51 <SimonWall> gone altogether for about 10s then
Simon Wall: gone altogether for about 10s then ←
18:44:05 <BartVanLeeuwen> please let there be on, one of the confusing things about the semweb is that there is no single entrypoint for e.g. vocabularies
Bart Leeuwen: please let there be on, one of the confusing things about the semweb is that there is no single entrypoint for e.g. vocabularies ←
18:44:41 <sandro> discussion about technology for hosting the directory
discussion about technology for hosting the directory ←
18:44:58 <BartVanLeeuwen> so if we intend to be a starting point, maybe we should just have only 1 entry point ?
Bart Leeuwen: so if we intend to be a starting point, maybe we should just have only 1 entry point ? ←
18:45:00 <sandro> we'll solicit offers. fallback to mediawiki
we'll solicit offers. fallback to mediawiki ←
18:45:33 <sandro> irene: what about having it decentralized?
Irene Polikoff: what about having it decentralized? ←
18:47:42 <sandro> sandro: Yes, we'll host the central triples, and let other people host their own triples if they want.
Sandro Hawke: Yes, we'll host the central triples, and let other people host their own triples if they want. ←
18:49:57 <BartVanLeeuwen> hmm its basicly impossible to follow the discussion over SIP, is it just my having that problem ?
Bart Leeuwen: hmm its basicly impossible to follow the discussion over SIP, is it just my having that problem ? ←
18:51:59 <sandro> BartVanLeeuwen, we're trying to get people to speak louder, but it's hard....
BartVanLeeuwen, we're trying to get people to speak louder, but it's hard.... ←
18:52:04 <SimonWall> Not able to follow most of the discussion now, I'm done for tonight. Thanks
Simon Wall: Not able to follow most of the discussion now, I'm done for tonight. Thanks ←
18:52:14 <Zakim> -SimonWall
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18:52:36 <sandro> goodnight, SimonWall !
goodnight, SimonWall ! ←
18:52:42 <BernadetteHyland> @SimonWall - good nite mate!
Bernadette Hyland: @SimonWall - good nite mate! ←
18:53:16 <SimonWall> No probs
Simon Wall: No probs ←
18:53:36 <martin> BartVanLeeuwen, I have the same problem
Martín Álvarez: BartVanLeeuwen, I have the same problem ←
18:55:47 <Zakim> +??P1
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18:58:59 <BartVanLeeuwen> okay I give up as well, its not possible to follow the discussion like this :(
Bart Leeuwen: okay I give up as well, its not possible to follow the discussion like this :( ←
18:59:30 <annew> it's not a very coherent discussion even for those of us in the room. sorry
Anne Washington: it's not a very coherent discussion even for those of us in the room. sorry ←
18:59:58 <BartVanLeeuwen> well at least you probably don't mis every 2nd word ;)
Bart Leeuwen: well at least you probably don't mis every 2nd word ;) ←
19:01:20 <BartVanLeeuwen> okay goodnight all
Bart Leeuwen: okay goodnight all ←
19:02:26 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
zakim, who is on the call? ←
19:02:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see +49.261.287.aagg, martin (muted), +1.703.292.aahh, ??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +49.261.287.aagg, martin (muted), +1.703.292.aahh, ??P1 ←
19:02:35 <martin> I have problems to follow the discussion as well. I'll read the minutes.
Martín Álvarez: I have problems to follow the discussion as well. I'll read the minutes. ←
19:02:40 <martin> Bye
Martín Álvarez: Bye ←
19:02:53 <Zakim> -martin
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19:03:17 <annew> hey we can hear someone speaking german on the phone
Anne Washington: hey we can hear someone speaking german on the phone ←
19:03:20 <sandro> zakim, mute aagg
zakim, mute aagg ←
19:03:20 <Zakim> +49.261.287.aagg should now be muted
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19:03:31 <sandro> zakim, unmute aagg
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19:03:31 <Zakim> +49.261.287.aagg should no longer be muted
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19:03:42 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
19:03:55 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.703.292.aahh (66%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.703.292.aahh (66%) ←
19:05:01 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
19:05:15 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (85%), +1.703.292.aahh (7%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 14 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P1 (85%), +1.703.292.aahh (7%) ←
19:05:22 <sandro> zakim, mute ??P1
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19:09:59 <sandro> discussion between Bern and Ernie ... many of us not quite following it.
discussion between Bern and Ernie ... many of us not quite following it. ←
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19:54:28 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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19:57:24 <sandro> topic: More Deliverables
19:57:39 <sandro> george: Dan just offered to lead 2.3.1 :-)
George Thomas: Dan just offered to lead 2.3.1 :-) ←
19:58:04 <sandro> dan: I want to be involved, but how much I can commit, I'm not yet sure. BLS is not a member, and that's not going to happen.
Dan Gilman: I want to be involved, but how much I can commit, I'm not yet sure. BLS is not a member, and that's not going to happen. ←
20:01:57 <sandro> george: talking about 2.2
George Thomas: talking about 2.2 ←
20:02:05 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
zakim, who is talking? ←
20:02:18 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (96%), +1.703.292.aahh (42%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: [IPcaller] (96%), +1.703.292.aahh (42%) ←
20:02:27 <sandro> zakim, mute IPcaller
zakim, mute IPcaller ←
20:02:27 <Zakim> [IPcaller] should now be muted
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20:02:39 <sandro> zakim, aahh is MeetingRoom
zakim, aahh is MeetingRoom ←
20:02:39 <Zakim> +MeetingRoom; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MeetingRoom; got it ←
20:03:09 <sandro> george: Here is how you can procure what you want from the folks in in the vendor directory. like Section 508.
George Thomas: Here is how you can procure what you want from the folks in in the vendor directory. like Section 508. ←
20:03:28 <sandro> george: What is that check list of things?
George Thomas: What is that check list of things? ←
20:04:01 <BernadetteHyland> Recap from discussion around Deliverables 2.1:
Bernadette Hyland: Recap from discussion around Deliverables 2.1: ←
20:04:13 <BernadetteHyland> The following action items mean that you are willing to initially update the w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ page for each of Deliverables. For each item, please define the attributes to be collected.
Bernadette Hyland: The following action items mean that you are willing to initially update the w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/ page for each of Deliverables. For each item, please define the attributes to be collected. ←
20:04:20 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: Support of 2.1.1 - 2.1.4 - Community Directory - Deployments, Vendors, Contractors, Applications - William Bradford
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: Support of 2.1.1 - 2.1.4 - Community Directory - Deployments, Vendors, Contractors, Applications - William Bradford ←
20:04:27 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: Support for 2.1.5 - Community Directory - Research groups, researchers, sources of funding. Yigal Arens
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: Support for 2.1.5 - Community Directory - Research groups, researchers, sources of funding. Yigal Arens ←
20:04:48 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: Support for 2.1.6 Community Directory - Outreach & advocacy - List of policy leaders per country so we know who to engage throughout the world. The second list is a list of organizations in civil society who we think are important to engage with. Volunteer: Rick Murphy
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: Support for 2.1.6 Community Directory - Outreach & advocacy - List of policy leaders per country so we know who to engage throughout the world. The second list is a list of organizations in civil society who we think are important to engage with. Volunteer: Rick Murphy ←
20:04:57 <sandro> Katherine: I'm an acquisitions geek. I do this stuff day in and day out. :-)
Katherine Goodier: I'm an acquisitions geek. I do this stuff day in and day out. :-) ←
20:05:00 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.1.7 Community Directory - Training TO DO: Ask Jeremy C. (TopQuandrant A/C rep) to appoint appropriate person?
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.1.7 Community Directory - Training TO DO: Ask Jeremy C. (TopQuandrant A/C rep) to appoint appropriate person? ←
20:05:08 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.3.1 Standard Vocabularies - Metadata. Dan Gilman prepared to review what comes out of this area.
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.3.1 Standard Vocabularies - Metadata. Dan Gilman prepared to review what comes out of this area. ←
20:05:09 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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20:06:00 <sandro> subtopic: 2.2.2 and 2.2.3
20:06:18 <sandro> George: What if I'm designing a vocab, and I need to mint some URI?
George Thomas: What if I'm designing a vocab, and I need to mint some URI? ←
20:06:33 <sandro> ... A lot of precident in vocab createion
... A lot of precident in vocab createion ←
20:06:49 <sandro> Irene: How do you select a vocab vs do I make my own?
Irene Polikoff: How do you select a vocab vs do I make my own? ←
20:07:04 <sandro> irene: Vs 2.2.3, if I roll my own, I need this.
Irene Polikoff: Vs 2.2.3, if I roll my own, I need this. ←
20:07:21 <sandro> george: Yes, they are different. You might come out of 2.2.2 needing to do 2.2.3.
George Thomas: Yes, they are different. You might come out of 2.2.2 needing to do 2.2.3. ←
20:07:45 <sandro> george: Many folks have lots of experience with selecting vocabs.
George Thomas: Many folks have lots of experience with selecting vocabs. ←
20:08:31 <sandro> Irene: I'm inclined to volunteer TQ for 2.2.2 (perhaps not me personally)
Irene Polikoff: I'm inclined to volunteer TQ for 2.2.2 (perhaps not me personally) ←
20:09:30 <sandro> suggestions for 2.2.3 -- RPI, DERI
suggestions for 2.2.3 -- RPI, DERI ←
20:10:25 <sandro> subtopic: 2.2.4 Versioning
20:10:58 <sandro> george: versioning of data and datasets.
George Thomas: versioning of data and datasets. ←
20:12:09 <sandro> cory: I'll do this, if I haven't found something else by the end of this list.
Cory Casanave: I'll do this, if I haven't found something else by the end of this list. ←
20:15:35 <sandro> subtopic: 2.2.5 Stability and 2.2.6 Legacy
20:15:43 <sandro> Anne: I'm interested in stability
Anne Washington: I'm interested in stability ←
20:15:51 <sandro> Irene: I'm interested in legacy
Irene Polikoff: I'm interested in legacy ←
20:16:21 <sandro> subtopic: 2.2.7 Cookbook
20:16:37 <sandro> george: Bern, do you want to do this?
George Thomas: Bern, do you want to do this? ←
20:16:56 <sandro> bern: I learned a lot working with EPA on what's needed on a practical level.
Bernadette Hyland: I learned a lot working with EPA on what's needed on a practical level. ←
20:17:16 <sandro> bern: MikeP, can you work with me on this, since you have experience as the audience here?
Bernadette Hyland: MikeP, can you work with me on this, since you have experience as the audience here? ←
20:17:22 <sandro> bern: I'll do it, working with Mike
Bernadette Hyland: I'll do it, working with Mike ←
20:17:51 <sandro> george: this came up in training.... elev pitch. MikeP has done a lot of this.
George Thomas: this came up in training.... elev pitch. MikeP has done a lot of this. ←
20:18:28 <sandro> subtopic: 2.3.1 Metadata
20:18:52 <sandro> george: liaise with Provenance Interchange WG
George Thomas: liaise with Provenance Interchange WG ←
20:19:11 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
RRSAgent, pointer? ←
20:19:11 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-irc#T20-19-11
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-irc#T20-19-11 ←
20:19:24 <sandro> george: We saw presentations on DCAT and VOiD
George Thomas: We saw presentations on DCAT and VOiD ←
20:19:57 <sandro> george: TQ-V* ?
George Thomas: TQ-V* ? ←
20:20:18 <sandro> george: Tina, do you you know about the Library Linked Data Incubator?
George Thomas: Tina, do you you know about the Library Linked Data Incubator? ←
20:20:24 <sandro> Tina: I'll look into it.
Tina Gheen: I'll look into it. ←
20:20:58 <sandro> george: maybe Dan....
George Thomas: maybe Dan.... ←
20:21:15 <sandro> sandro: cygri
Sandro Hawke: cygri ←
20:22:23 <sandro> george: also for cube, yes.
George Thomas: also for cube, yes. ←
20:22:57 <sandro> George: Tina also expressed intrerest in metadata
George Thomas: Tina also expressed intrerest in metadata ←
20:23:16 <sandro> tina: Org struct, People, maybe metadata.
Tina Gheen: Org struct, People, maybe metadata. ←
20:24:49 <sandro> Irene: What about the People...?
Irene Polikoff: What about the People...? ←
20:25:35 <sandro> sandro: Danbri will join us soon to talk about whether we can make FOAF work for us.
Sandro Hawke: Danbri will join us soon to talk about whether we can make FOAF work for us. ←
20:25:58 <sandro> sandro: Maybe Todd?
Sandro Hawke: Maybe Todd? ←
20:26:18 <sandro> Kath: human geography?
Katherine Goodier: human geography? ←
20:26:33 <sandro> kath; cultural data
kath; cultural data ←
20:26:51 <sandro> bern: like FAO
Bernadette Hyland: like FAO ←
20:27:18 <sandro> UNFAO
UNFAO ←
20:27:40 <sandro> metadata - ask cygri, dan will review
metadata - ask cygri, dan will review ←
20:27:54 <sandro> cube data - ask cygri, dan will review
cube data - ask cygri, dan will review ←
20:28:24 <sandro> people - chris, cory, tina
people - chris, cory, tina ←
20:28:46 <sandro> org - tina,dave
org - tina,dave ←
20:29:16 <sandro> geo - chris, dave, mike, todd
geo - chris, dave, mike, todd ←
20:30:22 <sandro> gerald --- reviews :-)
gerald --- reviews :-) ←
20:32:03 <sandro> george: Andy might be liaison to provenance
George Thomas: Andy might be liaison to provenance ←
20:32:25 <BernadetteHyland> Summary of George's spectacular Deliverables 2.2 review:
Bernadette Hyland: Summary of George's spectacular Deliverables 2.2 review: ←
20:32:36 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.1 Best Practices for Publishing LD - Procurement. Volunteer: Katherine
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.1 Best Practices for Publishing LD - Procurement. Volunteer: Katherine ←
20:32:52 <BernadetteHyland> That is Katherine (L3 Comm)
Bernadette Hyland: That is Katherine (L3 Comm) ←
20:33:24 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.2 - Vocabulary selection
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.2 - Vocabulary selection ←
20:33:30 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.3 - URI Construction - Lift heavily from John Sheridan's data.gov.uk, TO DO: Ask JimH (RPI A/C rep)
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.3 - URI Construction - Lift heavily from John Sheridan's data.gov.uk, TO DO: Ask JimH (RPI A/C rep) ←
20:33:53 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.4 - Versioning - related to data "cube". TO DO: Ask JimH (RPI A/C rep) if interested? volunteer: Cory agreed to work on expanding wiki if no one else volunteers.
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.4 - Versioning - related to data "cube". TO DO: Ask JimH (RPI A/C rep) if interested? volunteer: Cory agreed to work on expanding wiki if no one else volunteers. ←
20:33:59 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.5 - Stability - volunteer: Anne Washington
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.5 - Stability - volunteer: Anne Washington ←
20:34:04 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.2.6 - Legacy data - volunteer: Irene Polikoff
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.2.6 - Legacy data - volunteer: Irene Polikoff ←
20:34:10 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support: 2.2.7 - Cookbook - volunteer: Bernadette. Agreed to provide extended table of contents & abstract
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support: 2.2.7 - Cookbook - volunteer: Bernadette. Agreed to provide extended table of contents & abstract ←
20:34:21 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.3.1 Standard Vocabularies - Metadata. Volunteer: TO DO: Ask for Richard Cyganiak. Dan Gilman prepared to review what comes out of this area.
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.3.1 Standard Vocabularies - Metadata. Volunteer: TO DO: Ask for Richard Cyganiak. Dan Gilman prepared to review what comes out of this area. ←
20:34:32 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.3.2 - Statistical "cube" data. Volunteer: TO DO: Ask for Richard Cyganiak (DERI). Dan Gilman to review
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.3.2 - Statistical "cube" data. Volunteer: TO DO: Ask for Richard Cyganiak (DERI). Dan Gilman to review ←
20:34:39 <BernadetteHyland> * Action Item: support 2.3.3 - Standard Vocabularies - People. Volunteer: Chris Musialek (GSA), Cory. Tina prepared to review.
Bernadette Hyland: * Action Item: support 2.3.3 - Standard Vocabularies - People. Volunteer: Chris Musialek (GSA), Cory. Tina prepared to review. ←
20:35:39 <BernadetteHyland> ping
Bernadette Hyland: ping ←
20:38:58 <BernadetteHyland> Anne: The eGov IG will get started soon.
Anne Washington: The eGov IG will get started soon. [ Scribe Assist by Bernadette Hyland ] ←
20:39:44 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
RRSAgent, make minutes ←
20:39:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/06/30-gld-minutes.html sandro
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