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Government Linked Data Working Group

Minutes of 02 September 2010

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16:21:04 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-irc

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16:21:09 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log team

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Unknown sandro: RRSAgent, make log team

16:25:51 <karen> Hi Thomas

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Unknown karen: Hi Thomas

16:25:59 <karen> I'm finishing Edelman call

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Unknown karen: I'm finishing Edelman call

16:26:05 <karen> and would like to take 5 minutes for food

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Unknown karen: and would like to take 5 minutes for food

16:26:12 <karen> if that's ok

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Unknown karen: if that's ok

16:30:50 <karen> ok, thanks

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Unknown karen: ok, thanks

16:30:57 <karen> Edelman call finishing up

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Unknown karen: Edelman call finishing up

16:31:09 <karen> and I'll see you in 5 minutes

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Unknown karen: and I'll see you in 5 minutes

16:31:20 <tlr> hi john

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Unknown tlr: hi john

16:31:26 <tlr> karen asks us to wait for 5min so she can grab a bite

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Unknown tlr: karen asks us to wait for 5min so she can grab a bite

16:31:29 <tlr> and josema sends regrets

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Unknown tlr: and josema sends regrets

16:33:01 <john> Hi

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Unknown john: Hi

16:33:03 <john> Whats the UK number these days?

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Unknown john: Whats the UK number these days?

16:33:09 <tlr> umh

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Unknown tlr: umh

16:33:21 <tlr> sandro, do we even have a working UK number right now?

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Unknown tlr: sandro, do we even have a working UK number right now?

16:33:31 <john> Also, I'm on the train, so may drop in and out

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Unknown john: Also, I'm on the train, so may drop in and out

16:33:52 <john> I can skype but will be unreliable...

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Unknown john: I can skype but will be unreliable...

16:33:58 <tlr> sandro, got skype?

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Unknown tlr: sandro, got skype?

16:34:21 <tlr> ok, let's do skype instead of zakim then

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Unknown tlr: ok, let's do skype instead of zakim then

16:34:25 <tlr> sandro, what's your skype name?

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Unknown tlr: sandro, what's your skype name?

16:34:30 <sandro> sandhawke

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Unknown sandro: sandhawke

16:34:30 <tlr> john, what's yours?

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Unknown tlr: john, what's yours?

16:34:41 <john> I'm johnlsheridan on skype

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Unknown john: I'm johnlsheridan on skype

16:34:52 <john> Or can dial in via skype to US number?

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Unknown john: Or can dial in via skype to US number?

16:34:58 <john> I'm johnlsheridan on skype

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Unknown john: I'm johnlsheridan on skype

16:35:01 <karen> ok I'm here

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Unknown karen: ok I'm here

16:35:08 <tlr> karen, we'll use skype

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Unknown tlr: karen, we'll use skype

16:35:24 <karen> what number do I call for skype?

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Unknown karen: what number do I call for skype?

16:36:01 <tlr> I'll call you on skype

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Unknown tlr: I'll call you on skype

16:36:39 <tlr> sandro, this didn't work

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Unknown tlr: sandro, this didn't work

16:37:15 <karen> TLR: I'll try again

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Unknown TLR: I'll try again [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:37:18 <sandro> I've now accepted your contact request, tlr

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Unknown sandro: I've now accepted your contact request, tlr

16:39:17 <tlr> *gah*

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Unknown tlr: *gah*

16:39:20 <tlr> I'll start the call

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Unknown tlr: I'll start the call

16:39:26 <tlr> ... and John has flaky network

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Unknown tlr: ... and John has flaky network

16:39:27 <tlr> *yikeS*

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Unknown tlr: *yikeS*

16:40:23 <sandro> zakim, what is the code?

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Unknown sandro: zakim, what is the code?

16:40:23 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), sandro

16:40:29 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781

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Unknown tlr: zakim, call thomas-781

16:40:29 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr; the call is being made

16:40:30 <Zakim> Team_(gld)16:30Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)16:30Z has now started

16:40:31 <Zakim> +Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas

16:40:43 <sandro> note UK number is there.

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Unknown sandro: note UK number is there.

16:40:57 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

16:41:00 <sandro> either 33 or 44

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Unknown sandro: either 33 or 44

16:41:03 <Zakim> +Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen

16:41:04 <tlr> 44

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Unknown tlr: 44

16:41:39 <karen> TLR: two agenda items

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Unknown TLR: two agenda items [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:41:45 <karen> 1. GLD Charter

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Unknown karen: 1. GLD Charter

16:41:54 <karen> 2. Brainstorm European Gov't

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Unknown karen: 2. Brainstorm European Gov't

16:42:09 <karen> ...Sandro, bring us up to date

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Unknown karen: ...Sandro, bring us up to date

16:42:20 <karen> ...and what needs to happen next

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Unknown karen: ...and what needs to happen next

16:42:35 <karen> Sandro: Nothing has happened since we last talked

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Unknown Sandro: Nothing has happened since we last talked [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:42:49 <karen> ...who is interested, a number of AC members expressed interest, but I did not tally up

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Unknown karen: ...who is interested, a number of AC members expressed interest, but I did not tally up

16:42:59 <karen> ...I will go back to see that list

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Unknown karen: ...I will go back to see that list

16:43:09 <karen> TLR: Do we know how many parties we need for the recruiting effort

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Unknown TLR: Do we know how many parties we need for the recruiting effort [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:43:20 <karen> ...do we have any idea if we have critical mass for that sort of thing

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Unknown karen: ...do we have any idea if we have critical mass for that sort of thing

16:43:27 <karen> Sandro: No idea since we have not made effort

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Unknown Sandro: No idea since we have not made effort [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:43:33 <karen> ...we have only communicated with members

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Unknown karen: ...we have only communicated with members

16:43:42 <karen> TLR: I mean members that we need to appeal to

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Unknown TLR: I mean members that we need to appeal to [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:43:50 <karen> Sandro: Like Chevron getting BP on board?

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Unknown Sandro: Like Chevron getting BP on board? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:43:55 <karen> ...we have not spoken with them

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Unknown karen: ...we have not spoken with them

16:44:06 <tlr> hi john, we're on zakim

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Unknown tlr: hi john, we're on zakim

16:44:07 <tlr> zakim, code?

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Unknown tlr: zakim, code?

16:44:07 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), tlr

Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.26.46.79.03 tel:+44.203.318.0479), tlr

16:44:07 <karen> TLR: Who would join such a group if X were there

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Unknown TLR: Who would join such a group if X were there [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:44:15 <karen> Sandro: different theories

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Unknown Sandro: different theories [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:44:22 <karen> ...I suggested idea of gov't suppliers joining group

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Unknown karen: ...I suggested idea of gov't suppliers joining group

16:44:30 <karen> ...a new field where we don't have contacts

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Unknown karen: ...a new field where we don't have contacts

16:44:39 <karen> ...Go through people; we have not attempted to do

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Unknown karen: ...Go through people; we have not attempted to do

16:44:48 <karen> ...Have not had that conversation with George Thomas for example

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Unknown karen: ...Have not had that conversation with George Thomas for example

16:44:53 <karen> ...whom he knows in suppliers

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Unknown karen: ...whom he knows in suppliers

16:45:03 <Zakim> + +44.754.503.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +44.754.503.aaaa

16:45:24 <sandro> +aaaa is John_Sheridan

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Unknown sandro: +aaaa is John_Sheridan

16:45:24 <john> sorry!

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Unknown john: sorry!

16:45:37 <john> zakim, mute me

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Unknown john: zakim, mute me

16:45:37 <Zakim> sorry, john, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, john, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

16:46:01 <tlr> zakim, aaaa is johnS

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Unknown tlr: zakim, aaaa is johnS

16:46:01 <Zakim> +johnS; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +johnS; got it

16:46:23 <sandro> zakim, +JohnS is jhon

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Unknown sandro: zakim, +JohnS is jhon

16:46:23 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '+JohnS'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named '+JohnS'

16:46:28 <sandro> zakim, JohnS is jhon

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Unknown sandro: zakim, JohnS is jhon

16:46:28 <Zakim> +jhon; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon; got it

16:46:31 <sandro> erg

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Unknown sandro: erg

16:46:35 <tlr> zakim, nick john is jhon

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Unknown tlr: zakim, nick john is jhon

16:46:35 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate John with jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr, I now associate John with jhon

16:47:25 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

16:47:25 <tlr> karen: IBM HP Oracle etc have govt verticals within; haven't approached them. What's the plan for engaging them?

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Unknown karen: IBM HP Oracle etc have govt verticals within; haven't approached them. What's the plan for engaging them? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown tlr ]

16:47:56 <karen> Sandro: we need to have the conversation with the chairs

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Unknown Sandro: we need to have the conversation with the chairs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:47:56 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

16:48:01 <karen> ...since we don't have expertise

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Unknown karen: ...since we don't have expertise

16:48:36 <karen> Karen: what do you mean

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Unknown Karen: what do you mean [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:48:48 <karen> Sandro: What I am used to from groups I'm involved with

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Unknown Sandro: What I am used to from groups I'm involved with [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:48:55 <karen> ...is that the chairs have lots of contacts in the industry

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Unknown karen: ...is that the chairs have lots of contacts in the industry

16:49:06 <karen> ...and they know places to meet and where to get the word out

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Unknown karen: ...and they know places to meet and where to get the word out

16:49:23 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

16:49:24 <karen> ...like people who have been in Washington, DC for example

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Unknown karen: ...like people who have been in Washington, DC for example

16:49:35 <karen> TLR: We should still call up our AC Reps

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Unknown TLR: We should still call up our AC Reps [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:49:52 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

16:49:52 <karen> ...and JohnS, GeorgeT and Josema probably have more contact names

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Unknown karen: ...and JohnS, GeorgeT and Josema probably have more contact names

16:50:04 <karen> TLR: I am asking if that has been done, and hearing you say it has not

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Unknown TLR: I am asking if that has been done, and hearing you say it has not [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:50:10 <karen> ...usefully that should start to happen

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Unknown karen: ...usefully that should start to happen

16:50:16 <karen> ...we have the long list of interested parties

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Unknown karen: ...we have the long list of interested parties

16:50:20 <karen> ...and member organizations

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Unknown karen: ...and member organizations

16:50:39 <karen> ...putting together the LD/eGov vertical contacts is a next step

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Unknown karen: ...putting together the LD/eGov vertical contacts is a next step

16:50:50 <karen> ...and see if there is evolution of the technical model

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Unknown karen: ...and see if there is evolution of the technical model

16:51:02 <karen> ...and vocabularies

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Unknown karen: ...and vocabularies

16:51:12 <karen> Sandro: Vocabularies is on of three or four items

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Unknown Sandro: Vocabularies is on of three or four items [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:51:14 <karen> q+

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Unknown karen: q+

16:51:15 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

16:51:25 <karen> Sandro: It makes sense to have the chairs on board to help with that work

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Unknown Sandro: It makes sense to have the chairs on board to help with that work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:51:33 <karen> ...rather than just Team conversation

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Unknown karen: ...rather than just Team conversation

16:52:05 <karen> ...It's easy to see there is lots of work to do here to move this along

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Unknown karen: ...It's easy to see there is lots of work to do here to move this along

16:52:15 <karen> ...I'm not sure what I'm going to have time to do here

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Unknown karen: ...I'm not sure what I'm going to have time to do here

16:52:23 <karen> TLR: You have to put some time into it

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Unknown TLR: You have to put some time into it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:52:30 <karen> ...and some predictability about that time

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Unknown karen: ...and some predictability about that time

16:52:46 <karen> ...a few months for example to ramp up

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Unknown karen: ...a few months for example to ramp up

16:53:02 <karen> Sandro: Biggest unknown is about getting the right chairs

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Unknown Sandro: Biggest unknown is about getting the right chairs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:53:08 <karen> ...on board; changes things dramatically

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Unknown karen: ...on board; changes things dramatically

16:53:19 <karen> ...they could help reduce my workload

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Unknown karen: ...they could help reduce my workload

16:53:39 <karen> TLR: My suggestion is soon, id the leading candidates

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Unknown TLR: My suggestion is soon, id the leading candidates [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:53:48 <karen> ...I'd like to meet them, but not micromanage the process

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Unknown karen: ...I'd like to meet them, but not micromanage the process

16:53:57 <karen> ...Get the chair candidates on board, have the conversation

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Unknown karen: ...Get the chair candidates on board, have the conversation

16:54:07 <karen> ...you go off and do the leg work, figure out the model

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Unknown karen: ...you go off and do the leg work, figure out the model

16:54:11 <karen> Sandro: Two issues on the chairing

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Unknown Sandro: Two issues on the chairing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:54:18 <karen> ...George seems like a good chair

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Unknown karen: ...George seems like a good chair

16:54:24 <karen> ...I told him he needs to get HHS to join

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Unknown karen: ...I told him he needs to get HHS to join

16:55:17 <karen> ...if we relax, that could help

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Unknown karen: ...if we relax, that could help

16:55:25 <karen> Karen: I have not reached out to HHS but could

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Unknown Karen: I have not reached out to HHS but could [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:55:32 <karen> Sandro: Let me talk to George first

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Unknown Sandro: Let me talk to George first [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:55:45 <john> The trouble for anyone working in/for a government department is getting the headroom for W3C participation - we may do better with ex gov people?

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Unknown john: The trouble for anyone working in/for a government department is getting the headroom for W3C participation - we may do better with ex gov people?

16:55:49 <karen> TLR: there are two considerations

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Unknown TLR: there are two considerations [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:56:01 <tlr> ACTION: sandro to work with George Thomas and Karen to get HHS to join

ACTION: sandro to work with George Thomas and Karen to get HHS to join

16:56:12 <karen> ...so we need to think about whether members need to join this group

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Unknown karen: ...so we need to think about whether members need to join this group

16:56:25 <karen> ...WG seems credible enough to attract members

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Unknown karen: ...WG seems credible enough to attract members

16:56:40 <karen> ...it seems attractive enough that people should join

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Unknown karen: ...it seems attractive enough that people should join

16:56:49 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

16:56:55 <karen> Sandro: But Josema says that gov't people will be difficult to get to join

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Unknown Sandro: But Josema says that gov't people will be difficult to get to join [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:57:10 <karen> ...cultural and procedural barriers

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Unknown karen: ...cultural and procedural barriers

16:57:19 <karen> TLR: Can we get them to offer contributions

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Unknown TLR: Can we get them to offer contributions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:57:41 <karen> ...maybe that could lead to membership priviledges

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Unknown karen: ...maybe that could lead to membership priviledges

16:57:53 <karen> Sandro: I expect that buying a product or service is what they know how to do

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Unknown Sandro: I expect that buying a product or service is what they know how to do [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:58:03 <karen> TLR: We should ask

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Unknown TLR: We should ask [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:58:16 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

16:58:18 <karen> Karen: we have some gov't members already

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Unknown Karen: we have some gov't members already [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:58:32 <karen> TLR: I have seen this with gov't before

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Unknown TLR: I have seen this with gov't before [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:58:36 <karen> Karen: What is the issue?

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Unknown Karen: What is the issue? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:58:41 <john> context is tough, everyone (outside US) is squeezing public spending

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Unknown john: context is tough, everyone (outside US) is squeezing public spending

16:58:51 <karen> TLR: They won't sign up to jurisdiction,

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Unknown TLR: They won't sign up to jurisdiction, [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

16:59:02 <karen> ...won't submit to ?

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Unknown karen: ...won't submit to ?

16:59:08 <karen> ...makes them shy away

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Unknown karen: ...makes them shy away

16:59:24 <karen> ...John notes public spending barriers

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Unknown karen: ...John notes public spending barriers

16:59:36 <karen> ...we need to ask the question

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Unknown karen: ...we need to ask the question

17:00:21 <sandro> karen: We go to vendors, say "we need to you create a scholarship fund for govt people to participate, will you pony up $X for Y people, so they can participate in the WG"

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Unknown karen: We go to vendors, say "we need to you create a scholarship fund for govt people to participate, will you pony up $X for Y people, so they can participate in the WG" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:00:54 <karen> TLR: I'm skeptical about gov'ts signing the member agreement and paying the fee

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Unknown TLR: I'm skeptical about gov'ts signing the member agreement less skeptical about them paying the fee [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:01:08 <karen> ... the EU says it just does not join organizations

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Unknown karen: ... the EU says it just does not join organizations

17:01:09 <tlr> s/and paying/less skeptical about them paying/
17:01:13 <sandro> tlr: "EU Does Not Join Membership Orgs"

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Unknown tlr: "EU Does Not Join Membership Orgs" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:01:14 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

17:01:31 <karen> ...ISO is an int'l treaty organization whose members are sovereign nations

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Unknown karen: ...ISO is an int'l treaty organization whose members are sovereign nations

17:01:38 <karen> ...yes ISO, but no to ICANN or W3c

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Unknown karen: ...yes ISO, but no to ICANN or W3c

17:01:43 <sandro> so maybe they could sign a consulting contract with W3C.

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Unknown sandro: so maybe they could sign a consulting contract with W3C.

17:01:49 <tlr> not consulting

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Unknown tlr: not consulting

17:02:07 <karen> TLR: So action items are trying to figure out what we can do with our big members; what chair candidates are

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Unknown TLR: So action items are trying to figure out what we can do with our big members; what chair candidates are [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:02:23 <karen> ...what chairs think about getting their organizations to join; and what other creative things we can do

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Unknown karen: ...what chairs think about getting their organizations to join; and what other creative things we can do

17:02:29 <karen> Sandro: While John is here

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Unknown Sandro: While John is here [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:02:38 <karen> ...you thought you may be able to fund a chair in UK

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Unknown karen: ...you thought you may be able to fund a chair in UK

17:02:43 <karen> ...any further sense?

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Unknown karen: ...any further sense?

17:02:50 <karen> JohnS: Possible but needs to be quick

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Unknown JohnS: Possible but needs to be quick [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:02 <karen> TLR: What is time scale?

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Unknown TLR: What is time scale? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:07 <karen> JohnS: end of March

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Unknown JohnS: end of March [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:17 <karen> ...possibilities to do something this side of March 2011

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Unknown karen: ...possibilities to do something this side of March 2011

17:03:29 <karen> TLR: So you could fund someone before then or start by then?

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Unknown TLR: So you could fund someone before then or start by then? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:33 <karen> John: start by then

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Unknown John: start by then [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:43 <karen> Sandro: So no money after March 2011

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Unknown Sandro: So no money after March 2011 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:46 <karen> JohnS: yes

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Unknown JohnS: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:03:56 <karen> ...cutting depts by 25% over next four years

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Unknown karen: ...cutting depts by 25% over next four years

17:04:00 <sandro> john: really really unlikely to have money available after march 2011

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Unknown john: really really unlikely to have money available after march 2011 [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:04:10 <karen> TLR: We are seeing that internationally

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Unknown TLR: We are seeing that internationally [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:04:13 <karen> q+

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Unknown karen: q+

17:04:34 <tlr> (there goes the idea to get many affiliate members in this way)

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Unknown tlr: (there goes the idea to get many affiliate members in this way)

17:05:32 <karen> TLR: So ability to sign member agreement; having funds in hand in face of funding cuts

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Unknown TLR: So ability to sign member agreement; having funds in hand in face of funding cuts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:05:37 <karen> ...so two barriers

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Unknown karen: ...so two barriers

17:05:39 <sandro> tlr: obstacles:  ability to sign membership agreement; having money (in the face of massive funding cuts)

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Unknown tlr: obstacles: ability to sign membership agreement; having money (in the face of massive funding cuts) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:05:48 <karen> ...your question is whether we can get folk in from industry

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Unknown karen: ...your question is whether we can get folk in from industry

17:05:58 <karen> Karen: are there any other barriers to participate

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Unknown Karen: are there any other barriers to participate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:06:27 <karen> ...will they have head count challenges to participate

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Unknown karen: ...will they have head count challenges to participate

17:06:38 <karen> JohnS: evidence is that it will be hard to participate

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Unknown JohnS: evidence is that it will be hard to participate [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:06:46 <karen> Sandro: hard for people to allocate the time

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Unknown Sandro: hard for people to allocate the time [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:06:57 <karen> JohnS: it looks too speculative and too academic still

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Unknown JohnS: it looks too speculative and too academic still [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:07:06 <sandro> john: the technology is still too speculative/academic, for people to allocated the time.

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Unknown john: the technology is still too speculative/academic, for people to allocated the time. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:07:06 <karen> ...that's a piece around trying to make

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Unknown karen: ...that's a piece around trying to make

17:07:10 <karen> ...gov't data publishing

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Unknown karen: ...gov't data publishing

17:07:20 <karen> ...you need to do better

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Unknown karen: ...you need to do better

17:07:29 <karen> ...evidence base is that there is a selling job to be done

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Unknown karen: ...evidence base is that there is a selling job to be done

17:07:35 <karen> ...that they have skin in the game

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Unknown karen: ...that they have skin in the game

17:07:35 <sandro> john: there's a selling job to be done, for them to be interested.

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Unknown john: there's a selling job to be done, for them to be interested. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:07:48 <karen> Sandro: I agree that's true with most of people out there

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Unknown Sandro: I agree that's true with most of people out there [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:07:58 <karen> ...but are there 20 people convinced enough to participate

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Unknown karen: ...but are there 20 people convinced enough to participate

17:08:05 <karen> ...we need a core of convinced and motivated people

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Unknown karen: ...we need a core of convinced and motivated people

17:08:10 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

17:08:52 <karen> Sandro: My answer to the question I asked is yes

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Unknown Sandro: My answer to the question I asked is yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:09:01 <karen> ...when we raised DCAT we had huge enthusiasm

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Unknown karen: ...when we raised DCAT we had huge enthusiasm

17:09:11 <karen> ...on AC we had many yeses to pre-charter announcement

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Unknown karen: ...on AC we had many yeses to pre-charter announcement

17:09:23 <karen> ...I don't know if we can make the finances work, but there is enthusiasm from the community

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Unknown karen: ...I don't know if we can make the finances work, but there is enthusiasm from the community

17:09:31 <karen> TLR: given the enthusiasm

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Unknown TLR: given the enthusiasm [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:09:37 <karen> ...and participation from gov't folks

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Unknown karen: ...and participation from gov't folks

17:09:44 <karen> ...so find chairs, start group, see what happens

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Unknown karen: ...so find chairs, start group, see what happens

17:09:52 <karen> ...don't be too optimistic about the ROI on finance

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Unknown karen: ...don't be too optimistic about the ROI on finance

17:09:59 <karen> ...and be cautious on investment of team time

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Unknown karen: ...and be cautious on investment of team time

17:10:07 <karen> ...This will be a hard sell with Jeff

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Unknown karen: ...This will be a hard sell with Jeff

17:10:23 <karen> ...Do it because people want to do it and we don't know what the payoff will be

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Unknown karen: ...Do it because people want to do it and we don't know what the payoff will be

17:10:29 <karen> ...with a lot of gov't folk as IEs

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Unknown karen: ...with a lot of gov't folk as IEs

17:10:36 <karen> ...because it may be difficult to get them in as members

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Unknown karen: ...because it may be difficult to get them in as members

17:10:40 <karen> ...If that's where we are

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Unknown karen: ...If that's where we are

17:10:47 <karen> ...we should spell out our resources and expectations

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Unknown karen: ...we should spell out our resources and expectations

17:11:10 <karen> ...this will be useful somewhere down the line and immediately in other places, but we don't know the ROI in terms of membership

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Unknown karen: ...this will be useful somewhere down the line and immediately in other places, but we don't know the ROI in terms of membership

17:11:21 <karen> Sandro: if the money angle is important

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Unknown Sandro: if the money angle is important [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:11:33 <karen> ...if there is a question if we are doing this based on money,

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Unknown karen: ...if there is a question if we are doing this based on money,

17:11:38 <karen> ...then the next thing is to ask around

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Unknown karen: ...then the next thing is to ask around

17:11:45 <karen> ...among the potential full members

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Unknown karen: ...among the potential full members

17:11:56 <karen> ...to get some full members to join to do this work

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Unknown karen: ...to get some full members to join to do this work

17:11:58 <karen> TLR: right

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Unknown TLR: right [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:12:09 <john> That sounds right to me

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Unknown john: That sounds right to me

17:12:11 <karen> ...and my earlier question is what is it looking like with our current base of full members

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Unknown karen: ...and my earlier question is what is it looking like with our current base of full members

17:12:20 <karen> ...that should give us an idea of how well it will sell to others

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Unknown karen: ...that should give us an idea of how well it will sell to others

17:12:28 <karen> Sandro: We saw enthusiasm on AC Forum

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Unknown Sandro: We saw enthusiasm on AC Forum [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:12:35 <karen> TLR: mostly with universities and small companies

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Unknown TLR: mostly with universities and small companies [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:13:19 <karen> Karen: clarity on the offer and the ask

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Unknown Karen: clarity on the offer and the ask [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:13:25 <karen> TLR: offer is we are doing this work

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Unknown TLR: offer is we are doing this work [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:13:38 <karen> ...are you interested in participating

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Unknown karen: ...are you interested in participating

17:13:49 <karen> Sandro: Gov't membership has not been significant source of funding

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Unknown Sandro: Gov't membership has not been significant source of funding [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:14:01 <karen> ...we could give IE status for gov't folks

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Unknown karen: ...we could give IE status for gov't folks

17:14:17 <karen> ...point is we say the full members; a longer version of procurement standards for gov't linked data

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Unknown karen: ...point is we say the full members; a longer version of procurement standards for gov't linked data

17:14:23 <karen> ...can you join to be part of that

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Unknown karen: ...can you join to be part of that

17:14:32 <karen> TLR: So question to industry if people are interested in this

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Unknown TLR: So question to industry if people are interested in this [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:14:38 <karen> ...or does it look academic to them

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Unknown karen: ...or does it look academic to them

17:14:43 <karen> ...to John's questions

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Unknown karen: ...to John's questions

17:14:54 <karen> Sandro: We know the UK gov't is interested in using these standards

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Unknown Sandro: We know the UK gov't is interested in using these standards [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:14:56 <john> We can position it so that it will be interesting I think

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Unknown john: We can position it so that it will be interesting I think

17:14:59 <karen> ...if we could say that strongly enough

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Unknown karen: ...if we could say that strongly enough

17:15:15 <karen> ...a bunch of gov't organizations from around the world are going to write procurement standards

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Unknown karen: ...a bunch of gov't organizations from around the world are going to write procurement standards

17:15:18 <john> Focus on key outcomes for gov, like transparency

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Unknown john: Focus on key outcomes for gov, like transparency

17:15:19 <karen> ...do you want to be at the table

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Unknown karen: ...do you want to be at the table

17:15:26 <karen> ...seems like a relatively easy sell

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Unknown karen: ...seems like a relatively easy sell

17:15:37 <karen> TLR: John, have you seen the full charter draft?

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Unknown TLR: John, have you seen the full charter draft? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:15:42 <john> I have

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Unknown john: I have

17:15:51 <john> (I think)

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Unknown john: (I think)

17:15:58 <karen> Sandro: last draft out there is still fairly primitive

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Unknown Sandro: last draft out there is still fairly primitive [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:15:59 <john> This was circulated to AC members, right?

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Unknown john: This was circulated to AC members, right?

17:16:03 <tlr> john, can you give specific input to Sandro on the charter draft to position it better? Like, edits?

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Unknown tlr: john, can you give specific input to Sandro on the charter draft to position it better? Like, edits?

17:16:06 <karen> TLR: John has input on how to position it

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Unknown TLR: John has input on how to position it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:16:16 <john> Sure, no problem

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Unknown john: Sure, no problem

17:16:16 <karen> ...so Sandro, if you can work with John to figure that out soon

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Unknown karen: ...so Sandro, if you can work with John to figure that out soon

17:16:24 <karen> ...next steps for Karen and Sandro

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Unknown karen: ...next steps for Karen and Sandro

17:16:30 <karen> ...to look from recruiting perspective

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Unknown karen: ...to look from recruiting perspective

17:16:36 <john> I can do some work on it tonight / tomorrow morning :)

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Unknown john: I can do some work on it tonight / tomorrow morning :)

17:16:37 <karen> ...current membership to approach from industry

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Unknown karen: ...current membership to approach from industry

17:16:41 <karen> ...who is a good indicator

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Unknown karen: ...who is a good indicator

17:16:46 <karen> ...and test run it with them

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Unknown karen: ...and test run it with them

17:16:59 <karen> ...does that sound reasonable and can be done in 3-4 weeks?

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Unknown karen: ...does that sound reasonable and can be done in 3-4 weeks?

17:17:01 <karen> Karen: yes

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Unknown Karen: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:17:05 <john> +1

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Unknown john: +1

17:17:29 <karen> Sandro: What is the process for testing

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Unknown Sandro: What is the process for testing [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:17:48 <karen> TLR: ID parties, discuss key points with them

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Unknown TLR: ID parties, discuss key points with them [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:17:55 <karen> Sandro: people who are converted?

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Unknown Sandro: people who are converted? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:18:12 <karen> TLR: W3C members, but we don't know their interest in Gov LD yet

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Unknown TLR: W3C members, but we don't know their interest in Gov LD yet [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:18:21 <karen> ...if we find them at IBM and HP, that would be great

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Unknown karen: ...if we find them at IBM and HP, that would be great

17:18:26 <sandro> tlr: people who are pro-W3C, pro-govt-data, but not (yet) pro LD.

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Unknown tlr: people who are pro-W3C, pro-govt-data, but not (yet) pro LD. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown sandro ]

17:21:25 <karen> Sandro: so we would have a procurement process outline with the charter

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Unknown Sandro: so we would have a procurement process outline with the charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:21:26 <karen> Karen: yes

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Unknown Karen: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:21:26 <sandro> step 1 -- write strawman of procurement requirements,      step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.

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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- write strawman of procurement requirements, step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.

17:21:32 <karen> TLR: So mid-October is doable?

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Unknown TLR: So mid-October is doable? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:22:05 <karen> ...a better positioning of charter that would engage gov't and be of interest to the members

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Unknown karen: ...a better positioning of charter that would engage gov't and be of interest to the members

17:22:19 <karen> ...I don't know if I would actually call it procurement requirements

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Unknown karen: ...I don't know if I would actually call it procurement requirements

17:22:33 <karen> ...John tells us that the way we have written the charter right now

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Unknown karen: ...John tells us that the way we have written the charter right now

17:22:46 <karen> ...sounds too academic

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Unknown karen: ...sounds too academic

17:22:57 <karen> Sandro: I don't think that's what John said

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Unknown Sandro: I don't think that's what John said [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:23:06 <john> More, we need to be careful not to sound too academic / theoretical

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Unknown john: More, we need to be careful not to sound too academic / theoretical

17:23:08 <karen> TLR: So when you say strawman for procurement or the deliverable

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Unknown TLR: So when you say strawman for procurement or the deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:23:12 <karen> Sandro: the deliverable

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Unknown Sandro: the deliverable [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:23:35 <karen> ...a starting point for the procurement deliverable is necessary to have the meeting to be effective with a member like EMC

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Unknown karen: ...a starting point for the procurement deliverable is necessary to have the meeting to be effective with a member like EMC

17:23:43 <karen> ...we would need a starting point

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Unknown karen: ...we would need a starting point

17:23:45 <john> I think the draft charter is pretty good :) - the last draft I saw

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Unknown john: I think the draft charter is pretty good :) - the last draft I saw

17:23:52 <karen> TLR: Sounds like a big investment

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Unknown TLR: Sounds like a big investment [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:23:58 <karen> Sandro: meeting would be stronger without it

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Unknown Sandro: meeting would be stronger without it [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:24:35 <karen> Karen: Can we invite their input into the procurement piece?

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Unknown Karen: Can we invite their input into the procurement piece? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:24:47 <karen> Sandro: Maybe the starting point is something that JohnS has already used

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Unknown Sandro: Maybe the starting point is something that JohnS has already used [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:24:54 <karen> ...he has already written the procurement piece

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Unknown karen: ...he has already written the procurement piece

17:25:05 <karen> ...maybe use that as a starting piece to get input and to internationalize it

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Unknown karen: ...maybe use that as a starting piece to get input and to internationalize it

17:25:09 <karen> ...so maybe it has already been done

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Unknown karen: ...so maybe it has already been done

17:25:14 <karen> John?

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Unknown karen: John?

17:25:26 <karen> Sandro: John agreed to work with me on this later today

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Unknown Sandro: John agreed to work with me on this later today [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:25:33 <karen> TLR: So if you can come up with an improved charter

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Unknown TLR: So if you can come up with an improved charter [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:25:36 <john> today / tomorrow morning

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Unknown john: today / tomorrow morning

17:25:36 <karen> ...or that starting point

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Unknown karen: ...or that starting point

17:25:44 <karen> ...but not spend two weeks re-writing the document

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Unknown karen: ...but not spend two weeks re-writing the document

17:25:51 <karen> ...not be in deliverable writing mode

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Unknown karen: ...not be in deliverable writing mode

17:26:11 <karen> Karen: And I will start to gather targets

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Unknown Karen: And I will start to gather targets [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:26:15 <karen> TRL: yes

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Unknown TRL: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:26:15 <sandro>  step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables),      step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.

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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG.

17:26:19 <karen> ...let's touch base in two weeks

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Unknown karen: ...let's touch base in two weeks

17:26:32 <karen> ...and next we have the European bit

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Unknown karen: ...and next we have the European bit

17:26:51 <karen> Sandro: Do my steps look right?

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Unknown Sandro: Do my steps look right? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:26:54 <karen> TLR and Karen: yes

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Unknown karen: TLR and Karen: yes

17:27:10 <karen> ...EMC bit are proxies for outside big companies as new members

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Unknown karen: ...EMC bit are proxies for outside big companies as new members

17:27:25 <sandro>  step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables),      step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG (where EMC is already a member, but is similar to orgs which might join)

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Unknown sandro: step 1 -- spend a few days rewriting charter, find possible starting point(s) for procurement requirements (one of the deliverables), step 2 -- run it by folks like EMC who might join W3C to join WG (where EMC is already a member, but is similar to orgs which might join)

17:27:39 <sandro> ==========

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Unknown sandro: ==========

17:27:41 <karen> TLR: ok, so we have actions

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Unknown TLR: ok, so we have actions [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:27:53 <tlr> john, any chance for you to join by phone now re EU piece?

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Unknown tlr: john, any chance for you to join by phone now re EU piece?

17:27:56 <tlr> no mroe than 30min

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Unknown tlr: no mroe than 30min

17:28:04 <john> I'll try

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Unknown john: I'll try

17:28:09 <tlr> thanks!

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Unknown tlr: thanks!

17:28:50 <john> I get "restricted"

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Unknown john: I get "restricted"

17:28:58 <tlr> gah

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Unknown tlr: gah

17:29:01 <tlr> new bridg

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Unknown tlr: new bridg

17:29:10 <Zakim> -Thomas

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Thomas

17:29:12 <Zakim> -Sandro

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro

17:29:12 <Zakim> -Karen

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen

17:29:12 <Zakim> Team_(gld)16:30Z has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)16:30Z has ended

17:29:13 <tlr> ok, re-setting the bridge :)

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Unknown tlr: ok, re-setting the bridge :)

17:29:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, Sandro, Karen, +44.754.503.aaaa, jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Thomas, Sandro, Karen, +44.754.503.aaaa, jhon

17:29:18 <tlr> zakim, space for 4?

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Unknown tlr: zakim, space for 4?

17:29:20 <Zakim> ok, tlr; conference Team_(gld)17:29Z scheduled with code 26635 (CONF5) for 60 minutes until 1829Z

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr; conference Team_(gld)17:29Z scheduled with code 26635 (CONF5) for 60 minutes until 1829Z

17:29:21 <karen> rrsagent, make minutes

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Unknown karen: rrsagent, make minutes

17:29:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-minutes.html karen

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-minutes.html karen

17:29:31 <tlr> john, try again with code CONF5 (26635)

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Unknown tlr: john, try again with code CONF5 (26635)

17:29:34 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781

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Unknown tlr: zakim, call thomas-781

17:29:34 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, tlr; the call is being made

17:29:35 <Zakim> Team_(gld)17:29Z has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: Team_(gld)17:29Z has now started

17:29:36 <Zakim> +Thomas

Zakim IRC Bot: +Thomas

17:29:52 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

17:29:59 <Zakim> +Karen

Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen

17:30:37 <sandro> trying

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Unknown sandro: trying

17:30:53 <Zakim> +Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro

17:31:16 <karen> TLR: So next topic is EU Gov't Policy Unit meeting from July

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Unknown TLR: So next topic is EU Gov't Policy Unit meeting from July [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:31:39 <karen> ...the my read is Commission would like to get significant amount of data out of European institutions

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Unknown karen: ...the my read is Commission would like to get significant amount of data out of European institutions

17:31:48 <karen> ...and get more data into the public realm

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Unknown karen: ...and get more data into the public realm

17:31:53 <karen> ...institutions not sure how to do it

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Unknown karen: ...institutions not sure how to do it

17:32:10 <karen> ... they have some money but not sure how to do; others have data but no money

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Unknown karen: ... they have some money but not sure how to do; others have data but no money

17:32:13 <karen> ...Two pieces

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Unknown karen: ...Two pieces

17:32:17 <karen> ...some sort of template

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Unknown karen: ...some sort of template

17:32:29 <karen> ...for how to put public sector information on the web, possibly as LD

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Unknown karen: ...for how to put public sector information on the web, possibly as LD

17:32:33 <karen> ...that Information Society would fund

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Unknown karen: ...that Information Society would fund

17:32:46 <karen> ...so then other institutions and Commision would do it

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Unknown karen: ...so then other institutions and Commision would do it

17:32:56 <karen> ...find ways to build infrastructure that can be replicated

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Unknown karen: ...find ways to build infrastructure that can be replicated

17:33:06 <karen> ...work with people who have done this work

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Unknown karen: ...work with people who have done this work

17:33:11 <karen> ...get them to agree on standardization

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Unknown karen: ...get them to agree on standardization

17:33:27 <karen> ...what resembles very much the GLD charter

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Unknown karen: ...what resembles very much the GLD charter

17:33:33 <karen> ...and he is also looking to sell the benefits

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Unknown karen: ...and he is also looking to sell the benefits

17:33:36 <karen> ...being able to make the case

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Unknown karen: ...being able to make the case

17:33:44 <karen> ...based on evidence

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Unknown karen: ...based on evidence

17:33:53 <karen> ...evidence concerns the Commission

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Unknown karen: ...evidence concerns the Commission

17:34:06 <karen> ...economic studies, showcases, how gov't linked data gets used

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Unknown karen: ...economic studies, showcases, how gov't linked data gets used

17:34:13 <karen> ...in products, or in projects

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Unknown karen: ...in products, or in projects

17:34:23 <karen> ...for example a clinic that shows use of LD

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Unknown karen: ...for example a clinic that shows use of LD

17:34:29 <karen> ...seems to be the rough ask

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Unknown karen: ...seems to be the rough ask

17:34:43 <karen> ...also have an interest in Tim's help

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Unknown karen: ...also have an interest in Tim's help

17:34:56 <karen> ...TimBL won't be at ICT conference in London due to schedule conflict

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Unknown karen: ...TimBL won't be at ICT conference in London due to schedule conflict

17:35:06 <karen> ...So purpose of this discussion is to brainstorm

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Unknown karen: ...So purpose of this discussion is to brainstorm

17:35:19 <karen> ...if people in Europe are interested in doing gov't data on the web

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Unknown karen: ...if people in Europe are interested in doing gov't data on the web

17:35:38 <karen> ...what would engage these people, how do we network, approach, what makes sense

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Unknown karen: ...what would engage these people, how do we network, approach, what makes sense

17:35:46 <karen> ...?7 Work program

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Unknown karen: ...?7 Work program

17:35:56 <karen> ...tune of 4-5million Euros spread across partners

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Unknown karen: ...tune of 4-5million Euros spread across partners

17:36:02 <karen> ...around community building and best practices

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Unknown karen: ...around community building and best practices

17:36:18 <karen> ...another piece round building consensus and services with research and commercial intersts

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Unknown karen: ...another piece round building consensus and services with research and commercial intersts

17:36:30 <karen> ...carefully check to see if that is more geared to scientific results or gov't data

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Unknown karen: ...carefully check to see if that is more geared to scientific results or gov't data

17:36:35 <karen> ...that's the landscape as I see it

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Unknown karen: ...that's the landscape as I see it

17:36:46 <karen> ...We will learn more at the ICT conference in three weeks

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Unknown karen: ...We will learn more at the ICT conference in three weeks

17:36:54 <karen> ...Are there other issues or ideas we overlook

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Unknown karen: ...Are there other issues or ideas we overlook

17:36:57 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

17:37:08 <karen> ...Pull together people, do conferences, fund conferences, other time of thing

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Unknown karen: ...Pull together people, do conferences, fund conferences, other time of thing

17:37:12 <karen> ...John has left

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Unknown karen: ...John has left

17:37:15 <tlr> john left in time...

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Unknown tlr: john left in time...

17:37:20 <Zakim> +jhon

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17:38:08 <karen> TLR: some obvious ideas about pulling together people, networking at ICT

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Unknown TLR: some obvious ideas about pulling together people, networking at ICT [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:38:14 <karen> ...people like Josema and Jenny

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Unknown karen: ...people like Josema and Jenny

17:38:20 <karen> ...wondering if there are other ideas on the table

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Unknown karen: ...wondering if there are other ideas on the table

17:38:31 <karen> ...that would get people like you John out of the woodwork

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Unknown karen: ...that would get people like you John out of the woodwork

17:38:43 <karen> ...What would you like to have had in terms of community and coordination

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Unknown karen: ...What would you like to have had in terms of community and coordination

17:38:47 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

17:38:54 <karen> ...How do we help the Commission to find the John Sheridans?

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Unknown karen: ...How do we help the Commission to find the John Sheridans?

17:39:48 <karen> Karen: are we targeting policy level and technical level?

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Unknown Karen: are we targeting policy level and technical level? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:39:57 <karen> TLR: EU is working on the policy side

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Unknown TLR: EU is working on the policy side [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:40:06 <karen> ...they realize they need to find the geeks who are interested in doing this

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Unknown karen: ...they realize they need to find the geeks who are interested in doing this

17:40:24 <karen> ...and create things that appeal to people who are starting to play with this and may turn into leaders in this space

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Unknown karen: ...and create things that appeal to people who are starting to play with this and may turn into leaders in this space

17:40:28 <karen> ...do the technical work

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Unknown karen: ...do the technical work

17:40:31 <karen> ...the member state target

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Unknown karen: ...the member state target

17:40:41 <karen> ...so it can be of use

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Unknown karen: ...so it can be of use

17:40:56 <karen> ...looking for companies and subject matter experts who have done this

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Unknown karen: ...looking for companies and subject matter experts who have done this

17:41:01 <karen> ...and those in public administration

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Unknown karen: ...and those in public administration

17:41:09 <karen> ...who would be people the project targets

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Unknown karen: ...who would be people the project targets

17:41:13 <karen> ...a few small companies

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Unknown karen: ...a few small companies

17:41:16 <karen> ...some academia

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Unknown karen: ...some academia

17:41:23 <john> loca gov people?

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Unknown john: loca gov people?

17:41:27 <john> local?

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Unknown john: local?

17:41:29 <karen> ...get funding to do something that could benefit the public servants

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Unknown karen: ...get funding to do something that could benefit the public servants

17:41:31 <john> City council etc

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Unknown john: City council etc

17:41:32 <karen> ...and may benefit

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Unknown karen: ...and may benefit

17:41:40 <karen> Sandro: one of the four to dos

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Unknown Sandro: one of the four to dos [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:41:46 <tlr> that too

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Unknown tlr: that too

17:41:47 <karen> ...is to build directories of projects, services

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Unknown karen: ...is to build directories of projects, services

17:42:07 <karen> ...only the experts know what's out there now

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Unknown karen: ...only the experts know what's out there now

17:42:19 <karen> ...funding certainly helps web developers set up sites

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Unknown karen: ...funding certainly helps web developers set up sites

17:42:25 <karen> ...and to start to survey the space

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Unknown karen: ...and to start to survey the space

17:42:30 <karen> ...if there is funding, that would be very helpful

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Unknown karen: ...if there is funding, that would be very helpful

17:42:43 <karen> TLR: Yes, there is funding and yes, that is a project proposal idea

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Unknown TLR: Yes, there is funding and yes, that is a project proposal idea [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:42:54 <karen> ...so the content would be some sort of best practices?

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Unknown karen: ...so the content would be some sort of best practices?

17:43:00 <karen> Sandro: two separate deliverables

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Unknown Sandro: two separate deliverables [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:43:04 <tlr> http://epsiplatform.eu/

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Unknown tlr: http://epsiplatform.eu/

17:43:12 <karen> ...first a directory of existing artifacts, projects and people

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Unknown karen: ...first a directory of existing artifacts, projects and people

17:43:17 <karen> ...a second thing is best practices

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Unknown karen: ...a second thing is best practices

17:43:24 <karen> TLR: We would need to differentiate from

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Unknown TLR: We would need to differentiate from [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:43:28 <karen> ...the public sector ?

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Unknown karen: ...the public sector ?

17:43:45 <karen> ...information platform (epsi)

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Unknown karen: ...information platform (epsi)

17:44:09 <karen> ...community building, directories, conferences, best practices, and combine that with GLD WG

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Unknown karen: ...community building, directories, conferences, best practices, and combine that with GLD WG

17:44:16 <karen> Sandro: not sure about community building

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Unknown Sandro: not sure about community building [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:44:19 <karen> ...as many to many

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Unknown karen: ...as many to many

17:44:30 <karen> ...more one to many

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Unknown karen: ...more one to many

17:44:33 <Zakim> +jhon

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17:44:41 <karen> ...one person does a thorough survey and publishes on an on-going basis

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Unknown karen: ...one person does a thorough survey and publishes on an on-going basis

17:44:53 <karen> ...so not a community building effort because no social relationships

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Unknown karen: ...so not a community building effort because no social relationships

17:45:01 <karen> TLR: I hear a low-volume project

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Unknown TLR: I hear a low-volume project [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:45:07 <karen> ...high impact, small budget things

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Unknown karen: ...high impact, small budget things

17:45:13 <karen> ...that Commission could do below 60K

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Unknown karen: ...that Commission could do below 60K

17:45:17 <karen> ...if we can make a case

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Unknown karen: ...if we can make a case

17:45:29 <karen> Karen: can we get money for a web portal?

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Unknown Karen: can we get money for a web portal? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:45:44 <karen> TLR: maybe like EPSI on technical level

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Unknown TLR: maybe like EPSI on technical level [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:45:54 <karen> ...would be below 60K

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Unknown karen: ...would be below 60K

17:46:02 <karen> TLR: Is that appealing?

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Unknown TLR: Is that appealing? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:46:35 <tlr> http://epsiplatform.eu/examples

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Unknown tlr: http://epsiplatform.eu/examples

17:46:42 <john> There isnt a place like that

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Unknown john: There isnt a place like that

17:46:50 <karen> Karen: different modules on the portal could include your idea, Sandro

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Unknown Karen: different modules on the portal could include your idea, Sandro [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:47:06 <karen> John: there isn't a go-to place

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Unknown John: there isn't a go-to place [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:47:08 <karen> ...to find things

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Unknown karen: ...to find things

17:47:11 <karen> ...hard to get started

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Unknown karen: ...hard to get started

17:47:19 <karen> ...how to do URIs, how to do versioning

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Unknown karen: ...how to do URIs, how to do versioning

17:47:24 <karen> ...maybe find 3-4 approaches

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Unknown karen: ...maybe find 3-4 approaches

17:47:32 <karen> ...but not one designed from a gov't perspective

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Unknown karen: ...but not one designed from a gov't perspective

17:47:35 <karen> ...it's a good idea

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Unknown karen: ...it's a good idea

17:47:53 <karen> TLR: We would need somebody on board who has been through it from a gov't perspective and could write it up

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Unknown TLR: We would need somebody on board who has been through it from a gov't perspective and could write it up [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:47:55 <karen> John: I agree

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Unknown John: I agree [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:48:04 <karen> ...I know some people who could part of that drafting

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Unknown karen: ...I know some people who could part of that drafting

17:48:07 <karen> ...people W3C knows

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Unknown karen: ...people W3C knows

17:48:11 <karen> ...somebody like Dave Reynolds

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Unknown karen: ...somebody like Dave Reynolds

17:48:20 <karen> ...doing great work on transparency and spending

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Unknown karen: ...doing great work on transparency and spending

17:48:21 <karen> +1

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Unknown karen: +1

17:48:35 <karen> ...maybe we could involve someone of that ilk

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Unknown karen: ...maybe we could involve someone of that ilk

17:48:48 <karen> Karen: for a consultant, that's a great project

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Unknown Karen: for a consultant, that's a great project [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:48:56 <karen> TLR: yes, a small company formed from HPLabs

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Unknown TLR: yes, a small company formed from HPLabs [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:49:00 <karen> ...that sounds like a way in

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Unknown karen: ...that sounds like a way in

17:49:14 <karen> ...or even hire person as consultant or sub-contract on the team

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Unknown karen: ...or even hire person as consultant or sub-contract on the team

17:49:18 <karen> ...bring the W3C angle

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Unknown karen: ...bring the W3C angle

17:49:30 <karen> ...this is useful

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Unknown karen: ...this is useful

17:49:45 <karen> ...John, any other things that came up as missing pieces?

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Unknown karen: ...John, any other things that came up as missing pieces?

17:49:51 <karen> John: written guidelines certainly

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Unknown John: written guidelines certainly [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:49:56 <karen> ...but the real kind of show stuff

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Unknown karen: ...but the real kind of show stuff

17:49:59 <karen> ...step by step

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Unknown karen: ...step by step

17:50:02 <karen> ...Jenny's blog

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Unknown karen: ...Jeni's blog

17:50:05 <karen> ...have you seen

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Unknown karen: ...have you seen

17:50:13 <karen> ...we desparate need in a more official context

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Unknown karen: ...we desparate need in a more official context

17:50:22 <karen> ...pulling those things together

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Unknown karen: ...pulling those things together

17:50:22 <tlr> s/Jenny/Jeni/
17:50:34 <Zakim> -jhon

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Zakim IRC Bot: -jhon

17:51:01 <Zakim> +jhon

Zakim IRC Bot: +jhon

17:51:09 <karen> Karen: Is there an O'Reilly Gov2.0 equivalent for Europe or other conferences?

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Unknown Karen: Is there an O'Reilly Gov2.0 equivalent for Europe or other conferences? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:51:26 <karen> John: those things like video clips, formal guidance, where you can see things

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Unknown John: those things like video clips, formal guidance, where you can see things [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:51:32 <karen> ...and hands-on events; half-day workshops

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Unknown karen: ...and hands-on events; half-day workshops

17:51:38 <karen> ...needs to be very practical; webinars

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Unknown karen: ...needs to be very practical; webinars

17:51:51 <karen> ...bring your data, follow the steps, use some online tools and share your data with others

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Unknown karen: ...bring your data, follow the steps, use some online tools and share your data with others

17:51:56 <karen> ...who are participating

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Unknown karen: ...who are participating

17:52:01 <karen> TLR: I like your "bring your data"

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Unknown TLR: I like your "bring your data" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:52:05 <karen> Sandro: yes, nice

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Unknown Sandro: yes, nice [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:52:15 <karen> TLR: So to chat with Dave, Jeni

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Unknown TLR: So to chat with Dave, Jeni [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:52:20 <karen> ...can talk to her

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Unknown karen: ...can talk to her

17:52:27 <karen> ...what about other member states?

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Unknown karen: ...what about other member states?

17:52:31 <karen> ...who may have ideas

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Unknown karen: ...who may have ideas

17:52:37 <karen> John: Open ? Foundation

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Unknown John: Open Knowledge Foundation [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:52:45 <karen> ...not sure how engaged in member space

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Unknown karen: ...not sure how engaged in member space

17:52:55 <karen> ...We talked about reaching people in Denmark, Spain

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Unknown karen: ...We talked about reaching people in Denmark, Spain

17:53:00 <karen> TLR: Catch Josema

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Unknown TLR: Catch Josema [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:53:02 <karen> ...I'll do that

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Unknown karen: ...I'll do that

17:53:05 <tlr> s/Open ? Foundation/Open Knowledge Foundation/
17:53:33 <karen> Karen: We met nice contacts from Denmark and Norway at O'Reilly Gov2.0 Expo in DC

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Unknown Karen: We met nice contacts from Denmark and Norway at O'Reilly Gov2.0 Expo in DC [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:53:40 <karen> TLR: And Ivan has some contacts

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Unknown TLR: And Ivan has some contacts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:53:59 <karen> ...and Rigo, too

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Unknown karen: ...and Rigo, too

17:54:09 <karen> ...so next steps are a closer look at what's there already

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Unknown karen: ...so next steps are a closer look at what's there already

17:54:14 <karen> ...and put some ideas into writing

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Unknown karen: ...and put some ideas into writing

17:54:22 <karen> ...I will take action item to do that and report back in two weeks

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Unknown karen: ...I will take action item to do that and report back in two weeks

17:54:32 <karen> ...and I'll see people in Oxford next week

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Unknown karen: ...and I'll see people in Oxford next week

17:54:36 <karen> ...John, one quick question

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Unknown karen: ...John, one quick question

17:54:43 <karen> ...you said earlier when we talked about GLD piece

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Unknown karen: ...you said earlier when we talked about GLD piece

17:54:51 <karen> ...there is a lot of budget cutting going on

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Unknown karen: ...there is a lot of budget cutting going on

17:55:05 <karen> ...Do we know to what extend that affects the operational piece of a data project?

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Unknown karen: ...Do we know to what extend that affects the operational piece of a data project?

17:55:09 <karen> ...Will funding go away?

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Unknown karen: ...Will funding go away?

17:55:13 <karen> John: My intuition is

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Unknown John: My intuition is [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:55:29 <karen> ...transparency in how gov't departments spend money becomes increasingly important

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Unknown karen: ...transparency in how gov't departments spend money becomes increasingly important

17:55:38 <karen> ...so show lines of accountability and spending and impact

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Unknown karen: ...so show lines of accountability and spending and impact

17:55:47 <karen> ...and show that publicly so people can see and understand

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Unknown karen: ...and show that publicly so people can see and understand

17:55:56 <karen> ...So you have to link performance data and spending data

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Unknown karen: ...So you have to link performance data and spending data

17:56:04 <karen> ...there aren't many technologies around that can do that

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Unknown karen: ...there aren't many technologies around that can do that

17:56:07 <karen> ...On the one hadn

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Unknown karen: ...On the one hadn

17:56:09 <karen> s/hand

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Unknown karen: s/hand

17:56:28 <karen> ...there is an across the board interest in getting these things done

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Unknown karen: ...there is an across the board interest in getting these things done

17:56:40 <karen> ...accountabiity organization, financial and organization information

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Unknown karen: ...accountabiity organization, financial and organization information

17:56:53 <karen> ...to understand the impact of decision making and spending

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Unknown karen: ...to understand the impact of decision making and spending

17:57:02 <karen> ...and somehow show it visually to make sense

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Unknown karen: ...and somehow show it visually to make sense

17:57:15 <karen> ...no one has succeeded in demonstrating it in compelling ways

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Unknown karen: ...no one has succeeded in demonstrating it in compelling ways

17:57:20 <karen> ...LD is ideally suited to solving

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Unknown karen: ...LD is ideally suited to solving

17:57:25 <karen> TLR: Sounds good

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Unknown TLR: Sounds good [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:57:36 <karen> ...I have what I wanted to get from this call

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Unknown karen: ...I have what I wanted to get from this call

17:57:41 <karen> ...anything else?

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Unknown karen: ...anything else?

17:57:49 <karen> Karen: I'm clear

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Unknown Karen: I'm clear [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:58:00 <karen> Sandro: I'm not sure how much to do GLD charter in public space

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Unknown Sandro: I'm not sure how much to do GLD charter in public space [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:58:11 <karen> ...I'm anxious about doing this stuff in public, but maybe that's ok

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Unknown karen: ...I'm anxious about doing this stuff in public, but maybe that's ok

17:58:14 <karen> TLR: ooph

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Unknown TLR: ooph [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:58:33 <karen> ...So there is one intuition that suggests we want the members to see this

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Unknown karen: ...So there is one intuition that suggests we want the members to see this

17:58:49 <karen> ...My intuition is member confidential but shop around liberally but not on a public space

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Unknown karen: ...My intuition is member confidential but shop around liberally but not on a public space

17:58:56 <karen> ...I don't have that strong a feeling

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Unknown karen: ...I don't have that strong a feeling

17:59:06 <karen> Sandro: mechanically, we don't have a member visible wiki

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Unknown Sandro: mechanically, we don't have a member visible wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:59:12 <karen> ...which would be my preference

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Unknown karen: ...which would be my preference

17:59:18 <karen> TLR: Any risks to doing this in public?

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Unknown TLR: Any risks to doing this in public? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:59:33 <karen> John: If Sandro is more comfortable doing internally, that's not a problem

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Unknown John: If Sandro is more comfortable doing internally, that's not a problem [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

17:59:40 <karen> ...merits member confidential for now

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Unknown karen: ...merits member confidential for now

17:59:56 <karen> TLR: I don't have that strong a feeling

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Unknown TLR: I don't have that strong a feeling [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:00:05 <karen> Karen: I would prefer member only

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Unknown Karen: I would prefer member only [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:00:36 <karen> Sandro: so John could edit a wiki

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Unknown Sandro: so John could edit a wiki [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:00:41 <Zakim> -jhon

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18:00:57 <karen> Sandro: My inclination is to be public

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Unknown Sandro: My inclination is to be public [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:01:06 <karen> TLR: what are concerns about member confidential

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Unknown TLR: what are concerns about member confidential [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:01:17 <karen> Sandro: before you send it out, work this part more carefully

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Unknown Sandro: before you send it out, work this part more carefully [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:01:24 <karen> ...like suggested the product list

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Unknown karen: ...like suggested the product list

18:01:29 <karen> ...which was sensitive

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Unknown karen: ...which was sensitive

18:01:38 <karen> ...so gives me pause about publishing in public

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Unknown karen: ...so gives me pause about publishing in public

18:01:49 <karen> TLR: Can we shop via email for a few rounds

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Unknown TLR: Can we shop via email for a few rounds [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:01:54 <karen> ...and then put on the public wiki?

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Unknown karen: ...and then put on the public wiki?

18:02:05 <karen> ...The whoa things we can find and throw out quickly

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Unknown karen: ...The whoa things we can find and throw out quickly

18:02:07 <karen> Sandro: yes

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Unknown Sandro: yes [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:02:10 <karen> ...that's reasonable

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Unknown karen: ...that's reasonable

18:02:20 <karen> TLR: sounds like easiest path

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Unknown TLR: sounds like easiest path [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:02:31 <karen> ...pre-edited before going onto the public wiki

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Unknown karen: ...pre-edited before going onto the public wiki

18:02:44 <karen> Sandro: John, I'll send you the skeleton of the new public draft

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Unknown Sandro: John, I'll send you the skeleton of the new public draft [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:02:55 <karen> ...you have done this procurement step before

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Unknown karen: ...you have done this procurement step before

18:02:57 <john> Great

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Unknown john: Great

18:02:59 <karen> ...can you share the text

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Unknown karen: ...can you share the text

18:03:03 <karen> ...as a starting point?

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Unknown karen: ...as a starting point?

18:03:08 <john> Sure

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Unknown john: Sure

18:03:17 <karen> Sandro: excellent!

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Unknown Sandro: excellent! [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:03:24 <karen> ...I'll send more details momentarily

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Unknown karen: ...I'll send more details momentarily

18:03:30 <karen> TLR: Thanks, John for dialing in

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Unknown TLR: Thanks, John for dialing in [ Scribe Assist by Unknown karen ]

18:03:37 <karen> ...we should find a time slot in two weeks

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Unknown karen: ...we should find a time slot in two weeks

18:03:44 <karen> ...John, will you be at XML Summer School?

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Unknown karen: ...John, will you be at XML Summer School?

18:04:08 <karen> ...we are adjourned for now

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Unknown karen: ...we are adjourned for now

18:04:18 <Zakim> -Sandro

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18:04:20 <Zakim> -Thomas

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18:04:20 <Zakim> Team_(gld)17:29Z has ended

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18:04:20 <john> I might be around Wednesday

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Unknown john: I might be around Wednesday

18:04:22 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas, jhon, Karen, Sandro

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18:04:25 <karen> rrsagent, make minutes

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Unknown karen: rrsagent, make minutes

18:04:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2010/09/02-gld-minutes.html karen

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18:04:45 <tlr> john, I'm faculty this year, so around Oxford all week

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Unknown tlr: john, I'm faculty this year, so around Oxford all week

18:04:54 <tlr> talk to you there!

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Unknown tlr: talk to you there!

18:06:02 <john> OK, hope so!

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Unknown john: OK, hope so!



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