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Jeanne Holm: Telecon line: Dial +1-617-761-6200 or sip:zakim@voip.w3.org then conference code 3468# ("EGOV#") ←

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Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Brand_Niemann, LarsG, RRSAgent, Zakim, PhilA, MartinMurillo, Gwyn_S, Jeanne_Holm, GannonDick, HadleyBeeman, KNY, bhyland, TallTed, thschee, heath, trackbot ←

... we began with a bunch of questions we wanted to answer. Tomasz has done a lot of work to pull together what we've heard ←

Jeanne Holm: Huge amount of activities going on in London and other cities April 23 and 24 on open data ←

slide 3 Recentresearch[1]hasfoundthattransparencyisnotenoughforthereductionofcorruption.Importantnecessaryconditions,publicityandaccountability,mustalsobepresent: ←

Martín Álvarez: Citiznes need to receive and understand the info - govs need to be accountable ←

Martín Álvarez: 2 types of transparency, agent controlled and non-agent controlled ←

scribe note - it's hard to hear Martin but we're doing our best to hear what he's saying ←

Jeanne Holm: Correlation between institutional transparency and the effect that it has ←

Jeanne Holm: On slide 12 Martin notes that we're not as able as we'd like to get machine readable data out there. TimBL's 5 stars are hard to climb ←

it happens Martin_Murillo - no one's fault. Jeanne_Holm is working through the remainder of your slide deck ←

Jeanne Holm: hypercharged version of the ?unstransparent? and knowledge/empowerment divided real world ←

Jeanne Holm: Summarising - Martin_Murillo notes that there are many aspects to the digital divide. It's not just access to expensive equipment (scribe summary, not ther words used) ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: Thanks Jeanne for doing that. I'm happy to answer questions on IRC or by mail ←

Final quote - A computer does not substitute for judgment any more than a pencil substitutes for literacy. But writing ability without a pencil is no particular advantage ←

Unknown Gwyn_S: I feel like martin said something interesting, but I couldn't hear it ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: (I think) talking about an empowerment divide cf. 'simple' digital divide ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: Africa's Internet connectividy (broadband) is 17%; by 2020, it will be only 25%! ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: thus all audiences must be included in any initiative. ←

Phil Archer: Notes that 50% of EU citizens of never been online so Africa isn't *that* far behind ←

Gannon Dick: That point about hypercharged... is thet effect convergent in time or something that will be forever divergent/parallel, meaning that if we do something today to... ←

... to increase/identify transparency that it will ahve a convergent effect, making the digital divide go away ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: Historically, it's the same as the industrial revolution - it affects people differntly (scribe being liberal with re-wording probably inaccurate) ←

Jeanne Holm: ...important to consider cultural, religion, and other issues that are important in understanding the different views ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: Africa has been labelled as a 'mobile only' continent ←

Phil Archer: really? Martin_Murillo?? I thought even cheap phones were more powerful, no? ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: People fear that the Internet will be Balkanised as a response to cyber attacks ←

Phil Archer: Apologises to Martin_Murillo for only getting some of what you're saying and probably recording what I do hear inaccurately ←

Unknown Martin_Murillo: Once I'm back in Canada I'll be able to have a better connection ←

Jeanne Holm: I realised I'd not talked about this so I wanted to briefly highlight some changes that are coming ←

Jeanne Holm: Brief summary. data.gov is the US gov initiative, from the CIO in the White House ←

... means that developers at hackathons can't get to data from different gov levels typically ←

Jeanne Holm: Having a site that just does open data separately from anything else is hard to maintain/justify. So it's now part of something bigger, part of hte core mission ←

The stories around what happens to a data set and how it helps are embedded in the new site ←

... lots of examples of economic benefit, and how it sometimes literally saves lives ←

... our energy and safety communities are really strong at the mo - see slide 13 ←

... created data sets around that. Did similar following the japanese earthquake ←

Jeanne Holm: People were still trying to get around of course, even with flooded tunnels etc. ←

... developers worked with the transportation folks to visualise what the options were ←

Jeanne Holm: We're focused on APIs - trying to provide APIs for most data sets ←

Jeanne Holm: US spends a ton on research that produces data that isn't always accessible - working on that, making it all accessible ←

Jeanne Holm: So that's what we're doing and felt that I needed to make sure the US was covered ←

... agreement has gone from people not knowing what a URI was to being very supportive ←

Unknown bhyland: we're at last call for the 3 Rec Track covabularies - ORG, DCAT and QB ←

Unknown bhyland: Open Data Policy from the US White House has a lot of details about publication of government open data ←

Jeanne Holm: There are two areas being announced - schema.org and open data policy of white house ←

Jeanne Holm: Schema.org and Open Data Policy (in review a long time) is forthcoming. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown bhyland ] ←

Jeanne Holm: A lot of public comments on the draft version, so some interesting changes coming ←

It is a work in progress, missing last couple of meetings but can be added to by community ←

Brian Handspicker: Slide 6 - Where eGov is deployed... local, national, global ←

Brian Handspicker: Slide 10 - Summarizes the cases presented by various participants over the course of the group meetings ←

Brian Handspicker: Each of 20 cases are evaluated based on how they address the questions "What", "Why", "How", and "Where" ←

Brian Handspicker: Slide 33 - Conclusions Overview: The dimensions of the questions what, why, how, where ←

Unknown bhyland: Question: How to articulate our open data publishing efforts (breaking up) [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Unknown bhyland: Are you planning to articulate the ROI or greater value proposition of broader initiatives on innovation? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

Owen Ambur: Sandro noted the eGov IG's charter is nearing its expiration date and that folks should consider joining the new communities. What are the plans for the IG? ←

Jeanne Holm: we are hoping for more government researchers to present on the resulting value proposition associated with their use cases. [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Gannon Dick: Make clear that GIS stands for Government Information Systems not Geography... Geometry... etc. [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Unknown bhyland: TLA's are not unique to the government. All organizations use them, from the military to private sector ←

Brand Niemann: Big Data meetings happening... see comments above with links to results of meetings/conferences [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Jeanne Holm: Not a lot of our discussions have been specific to "big data", perhaps because of our timing and the ongoing maturing of the big data concept [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Unknown bhyland: @Jeanne, @Martin, et al. Thank you for sharing your respective updates today. Must leave for another call. ←

Brand Niemann: Would be interesting to work with data across multiple data sets to identify new relationships between the data sets [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Brand Niemann: the real interesting results come from adding new relationships between data sets, making it "big data", then adding even more data set relationships [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Brand Niemann: Recommend that the government have a Chief Data Officer with a team of Data Scientists to work on interesting problems across multiple government data sets [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Brand Niemann: In some cases the laws don't allow creating relationships between some data sets, e.g. census, tax, etc. [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Brand Niemann: Broader transparency efforts now have a mandate in the hurricane relief domain to identify both opportunities and fraud, waste and abuse [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ] ←

Brian Handspicker: Thomas will put out an upcoming agenda ideas for review by the group ←

Brian Handspicker: The charter is coming up for review and we may be retitle a community group rather than an interest group ←

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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 05 April 2013

1. Martin Murillo

2. data.gov and the US efforts