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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 29 June 2012

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Bernadette Hyland, Bobbi Martin, Brand Niemann, Brian Handspicker, Daniel Bennett, Ed Summers, Gannon Dick, Jeanne Holm, John Erickson, Martin Murillo, Owen A, Phil Archer, Vagner Diniz
Guests
Bernadette Hyland, Bobbi Martin, Owen A, Martin Murillo
Chair
Jeanne Holm
Scribe
Phil Archer
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions

None.

Topics
15:07:33 <PhilA> Topic: Intro to meeting

1. Intro to meeting

15:07:38 <PhilA> scribe: PhilA

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

15:07:42 <PhilA> chair: JeanneHolm
15:07:43 <PhilA> Guest: Bernadette Hyland
15:07:44 <PhilA> Guest: Bobbi Martin
15:07:45 <PhilA> Guest: Owen A
15:07:46 <PhilA> Guest: Martin Murillo
15:08:05 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Introduces roadmap (See wiki main page) http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page

Jeanne Holm: Introduces roadmap (See wiki main page) http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page

15:08:22 <PhilA> zakim, MartinM is MartinMurillo

zakim, MartinM is MartinMurillo

15:08:22 <Zakim> +MartinMurillo; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MartinMurillo; got it

15:08:45 <Zakim> + +55115509aaii

Zakim IRC Bot: + +55115509aaii

15:09:07 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Folks have made a number of suggestions since we bagn looking at the roadmap in November

Jeanne Holm: Folks have made a number of suggestions since we bagn looking at the roadmap in November

15:09:46 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We're trying to reach out to lots of people. Lots of activity in Australia anda Asia. It's been hard to get involved because of time zones

Jeanne Holm: We're trying to reach out to lots of people. Lots of activity in Australia anda Asia. It's been hard to get involved because of time zones

15:10:29 <PhilA> ... Tomasz joining as co-chair concentrated minds on this issue as he is in Macau. hence now two weekly cyle with alternate meetings in Euasian-friendly time and Atlantic times

... Tomasz joining as co-chair concentrated minds on this issue as he is in Macau. hence now two weekly cyle with alternate meetings in Euasian-friendly time and Atlantic times

15:10:35 <PhilA> ... will cover same topics

... will cover same topics

15:10:45 <PhilA> ... may have same speakers depending on time zones

... may have same speakers depending on time zones

15:11:12 <PhilA> ... we'll have notes as usual and then I and Tomasz plan to merge those

... we'll have notes as usual and then I and Tomasz plan to merge those

15:11:49 <PhilA> ... we'd like to record the audio these meetings but there are legal problems with this around the world but we may at least record the presentations

... we'd like to record the audio these meetings but there are legal problems with this around the world but we may at least record the presentations

15:13:19 <PhilA> zakim, aahh is BrandN

zakim, aahh is BrandN

15:13:19 <Zakim> +BrandN; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BrandN; got it

15:13:20 <citizencontact> Can you post the web page where the protocols for using IRC, especially for potential scribes?

Daniel Bennett: Can you post the web page where the protocols for using IRC, especially for potential scribes?

15:14:14 <ed_> q+

Ed Summers: q+

15:14:54 <Brian Handspicker> Two alternating meetings a month is an excellent idea! Approval.

Brian Handspicker: Two alternating meetings a month is an excellent idea! Approval.

15:15:27 <PhilA> ack ed_

ack ed_

15:15:53 <PhilA> ed_: I notice that the WIki says that the group is open to the public. I'm used to W3C meetings being more limited#

Ed Summers: I notice that the WIki says that the group is open to the public. I'm used to W3C meetings being more limited#

15:16:18 <PhilA> ed_: If you follow the get involved link it says the discussion will be public but is actual participation open too?

Ed Summers: If you follow the get involved link it says the discussion will be public but is actual participation open too?

15:16:31 <PhilA> zakim, OwnA is Owen

zakim, OwnA is Owen

15:16:31 <Zakim> +Owen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen; got it

15:16:41 <Bernadette Hyland> @Ed, W3C Interest Groups are open to the public.

Bernadette Hyland: @Ed, W3C Interest Groups are open to the public.

15:16:52 <ed_> Bernadette Hyland: ok great

Ed Summers: Bernadette Hyland: ok great

15:16:54 <PhilA> ed_: I'm asking because I'm hoping it's true - i.e. that these meetings are open

Ed Summers: I'm asking because I'm hoping it's true - i.e. that these meetings are open

15:17:07 <Bernadette Hyland> Working Groups operate as you described, have to be a member or accepted invited expert.

Bernadette Hyland: Working Groups operate as you described, have to be a member or accepted invited expert.

15:17:19 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Explains rules for WG membership rules (be a member or an Invited Expert)

Jeanne Holm: Explains rules for WG membership rules (be a member or an Invited Expert)

15:17:25 <ed_> Contributing as a "a member of the eGov IG", which is a W3C term indicating that a participant is satisfying the participation requirements of the W3C Process and the Interest Group's charter - http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/participation

Ed Summers: Contributing as a "a member of the eGov IG", which is a W3C term indicating that a participant is satisfying the participation requirements of the W3C Process and the Interest Group's charter - http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/participation

15:17:50 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I can participate as NASA (member) but not as an individual unless I get invited as an Invited Expert.

Jeanne Holm: I can participate as NASA (member) but not as an individual unless I get invited as an Invited Expert.

15:17:53 <Bernadette Hyland> @Ed, my understanding is that W3C IGs still register so that they get added to the public IG mailing list.

Bernadette Hyland: @Ed, my understanding is that W3C IGs still register so that they get added to the public IG mailing list.

15:18:06 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Is an Interest Group and operates under a broader capability

Jeanne Holm: Is an Interest Group and operates under a broader capability

15:18:54 <PhilA> ed_: That's good to hear. The language on the IG page is less open so that may need looking at

Ed Summers: That's good to hear. The language on the IG page is less open so that may need looking at

15:19:04 <PhilA> q+

q+

15:19:34 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I'll double check on the language etc.

Jeanne Holm: I'll double check on the language etc.

15:19:41 <PhilA> ack PhilA

ack PhilA

15:20:19 <Zakim> + +1.718.403.aajj

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.718.403.aajj

15:21:22 <PhilA> zakim, aajj is Andrew Nicholson

zakim, aajj is Andrew Nicholson

15:21:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aajj is Andrew Nicholson', PhilA

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aajj is Andrew Nicholson', PhilA

15:21:28 <PhilA> zakim, aajj is AndrewNicholson

zakim, aajj is AndrewNicholson

15:21:28 <Zakim> +AndrewNicholson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AndrewNicholson; got it

15:21:43 <PhilA> Topic: Basic Sections of the Roadmap

2. Basic Sections of the Roadmap

15:22:07 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We don't expect that we got the roadmap 100% correct. So comments and corrections are welcome

Jeanne Holm: We don't expect that we got the roadmap 100% correct. So comments and corrections are welcome

15:22:21 <PhilA> zakim, AndrewNicholson is Andrew

zakim, AndrewNicholson is Andrew

15:22:21 <Zakim> +Andrew; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Andrew; got it

15:22:33 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We want to encourage discussion around questions

Jeanne Holm: We want to encourage discussion around questions

15:22:48 <PhilA> ... and we've framed the meetings to try and make that happen

... and we've framed the meetings to try and make that happen

15:23:05 <PhilA> ... we tend to talk about open data a lot but eGov is about more than that so we've taken a step back from that

... we tend to talk about open data a lot but eGov is about more than that so we've taken a step back from that

15:23:15 <PhilA> ... what is the value proposition?

... what is the value proposition?

15:23:29 <PhilA> ... why is it important to provide eServices, OGD etc

... why is it important to provide eServices, OGD etc

15:23:37 <PhilA> ... who and where does that implementation occur?

... who and where does that implementation occur?

15:23:45 <PhilA> ... what is that we're defining governments to do

... what is that we're defining governments to do

15:24:19 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Looking how govs can set up maintain services. Probably end up speaking a lot about policy

Jeanne Holm: Looking how govs can set up maintain services. Probably end up speaking a lot about policy

15:24:40 <PhilA> ... e.g. in Poland, more than a year's work gone into legislation to ensure that OGD is sustainable

... e.g. in Poland, more than a year's work gone into legislation to ensure that OGD is sustainable

15:24:47 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: How does that sound so far?

Jeanne Holm: How does that sound so far?

15:24:53 <PhilA> Cue to everyone!

Cue to everyone!

15:24:56 <Brian Handspicker> Sounds great!

Brian Handspicker: Sounds great!

15:25:09 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: The other area that people talk about...

Jeanne Holm: The other area that people talk about...

15:25:12 <BobbiMartin> q+

Bobbi Martin: q+

15:25:21 <PhilA> ... and this came up at the Commssions' Digital Agenda meetings last week

... and this came up at the Commssions' Digital Agenda meetings last week

15:25:27 <gdick> policy new yesterday : http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-data-white-paper-unleashing-potential

Gannon Dick: policy new yesterday : http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/resource-library/open-data-white-paper-unleashing-potential

15:25:43 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We all have some examples of things that work have worked well

Jeanne Holm: We all have some examples of things that work have worked well

15:26:13 <Owen> Whatever the group decides to try to do, my interest is in documenting it (goals, objectives, and stakeholders) in StratML Part 2, Performance Plan/Report, format.

Owen A: Whatever the group decides to try to do, my interest is in documenting it (goals, objectives, and stakeholders) in StratML Part 2, Performance Plan/Report, format.

15:26:22 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I was hearing about a site through which you an report broken pavements/roads etc.

Jeanne Holm: I was hearing about a site through which you an report broken pavements/roads etc.

15:26:39 <PhilA> ... these might end up on slideshare but that's not very re-usable

... these might end up on slideshare but that's not very re-usable

15:27:08 <PhilA> ... we want to start to create a repository where we can share examples of good eGov, Open Data, services etc

... we want to start to create a repository where we can share examples of good eGov, Open Data, services etc

15:27:23 <PhilA> ack BobbiMartin

ack BobbiMartin

15:27:46 <PhilA> BobbiMartin: I was curious. Are these policies for government as a whole or are we talking about state, federal etc?

Bobbi Martin: I was curious. Are these policies for government as a whole or are we talking about state, federal etc?

15:28:03 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I know a lot of folk on the line are involved in municipal and local level

Jeanne Holm: I know a lot of folk on the line are involved in municipal and local level

15:28:12 <PhilA> .. this is for gov at any level

.. this is for gov at any level

15:28:20 <PhilA> ... incl. tribal government in US

... incl. tribal government in US

15:28:27 <Brian Handspicker> q+

Brian Handspicker: q+

15:28:28 <PhilA> ... also lots of academics in the group too

... also lots of academics in the group too

15:28:50 <PhilA> ... how can services and so on be supplied to govs. What should hte research agenda be?

... how can services and so on be supplied to govs. What should hte research agenda be?

15:29:05 <PhilA> ack Brian Handspicker

ack Brian Handspicker

15:29:33 <PhilA> Brian Handspicker: Not sure if this is the right place in the agenda. We have spoken a lot of open linked data in the past. AS we've noted in the past, there are a lot of otehr types of data

Brian Handspicker: Not sure if this is the right place in the agenda. We have spoken a lot of open linked data in the past. AS we've noted in the past, there are a lot of otehr types of data

15:29:52 <PhilA> Brian Handspicker: There are 3 others at least: Citizen sensitive data (e.g. tax returns)

Brian Handspicker: There are 3 others at least: Citizen sensitive data (e.g. tax returns)

15:30:01 <PhilA> ... should be able to access one's own but not public

... should be able to access one's own but not public

15:30:13 <PhilA> ... inter agency data across al types of hurisdictions

... inter agency data across al types of juridictions

15:30:20 <PhilA> ... and intra-agency data

... and intra-agency data

15:30:31 <ed_> +1 to that

Ed Summers: +1 to that

15:30:34 <Bernadette Hyland> s/hurisdictions/juridictions
15:30:43 <Bernadette Hyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

15:30:49 <PhilA> ... sinter agency data across al types of hurisdictions/inter agency data across all types of jurisdictions/

... sinter agency data across al types of hurisdictions/inter agency data across all types of jurisdictions/

15:31:17 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I like the ida of looking at intra-agency sharing as well as inter-agency sharing

Jeanne Holm: I like the ida of looking at intra-agency sharing as well as inter-agency sharing

15:31:38 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We don't sop standards but we're in a good place to talk about

Jeanne Holm: We don't sop standards but we're in a good place to talk about

15:31:46 <PhilA> Brian Handspicker: I continue to champion 1 - 3 start data

Brian Handspicker: I continue to champion 1 - 3 start data

15:31:57 <PhilA> ack Bernadette Hyland

ack Bernadette Hyland

15:32:11 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: Feeling goaded. I co-chair the Gov Linked Data WG

Bernadette Hyland: Feeling goaded. I co-chair the Gov Linked Data WG

15:32:34 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: In response to Brian, the types of data you describe is often in silos (relational databases)

Bernadette Hyland: In response to Brian, the types of data you describe is often in silos (relational databases)

15:33:00 <Brian Handspicker> q+

Brian Handspicker: q+

15:33:09 <PhilA> ... and the best way to fix that is to link the data in a standards compliant format. And that's an excellent way to share data intra and inter agency

... and the best way to fix that is to link the data in a standards compliant format. And that's an excellent way to share data intra and inter agency

15:33:19 <PhilA> .. it can be done privately as well as publicly

.. it can be done privately as well as publicly

15:33:31 <PhilA> ... linked data is not equivalent to open data

... linked data is not equivalent to open data

15:33:51 <PhilA> ... and yes we spend time on it, vocabularies etc. but the principles apply in different ways

... and yes we spend time on it, vocabularies etc. but the principles apply in different ways

15:33:57 <MartinMurillo> q+

Martin Murillo: q+

15:34:17 <PhilA> ... take a look at the GLD and consider joining or at least joining mailing list

... take a look at the GLD and consider joining or at least joining mailing list

15:34:34 <Bernadette Hyland> W3C Government Linked Data Working Group main page, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

Bernadette Hyland: W3C Government Linked Data Working Group main page, see http://www.w3.org/2011/gld/wiki/Main_Page

15:34:47 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: I'd like to come back to talling about the connections between the IG and the GLD WG

Jeanne Holm: I'd like to come back to talling about the connections between the IG and the GLD WG

15:35:06 <PhilA> Brian Handspicker: I'm fully supportive of RDF and everything W3C does

Brian Handspicker: I'm fully supportive of RDF and everything W3C does

15:35:11 <Bernadette Hyland> The focus is on getting governments to use W3C standards to exchange structured data using the RDF family of standards.

Bernadette Hyland: The focus is on getting governments to use W3C standards to exchange structured data using the RDF family of standards.

15:35:21 <PhilA> ... I'm working with Web Services, XML data etc.

... I'm working with Web Services, XML data etc.

15:36:01 <Owen> Sec. 10 of the GPRA Modernization Act requires U.S. fed agencies to publish their strategic and performance plans and reports in machine-readable format.

Owen A: Sec. 10 of the GPRA Modernization Act requires U.S. fed agencies to publish their strategic and performance plans and reports in machine-readable format.

15:36:02 <PhilA> Brian Handspicker: My goal is not to pick any one religious perspective, rather that as exciting as linked data is, we need to pull the data out of the silos in whatever format

Brian Handspicker: My goal is not to pick any one religious perspective, rather that as exciting as linked data is, we need to pull the data out of the silos in whatever format

15:36:02 <Bernadette Hyland> Structured data is good, I'm not picky about its representation because it can then be exchanged & shared with others.

Bernadette Hyland: Structured data is good, I'm not picky about its representation because it can then be exchanged & shared with others.

15:36:11 <ed_> Brian Handspicker: well said

Ed Summers: Brian Handspicker: well said

15:36:13 <PhilA> ack MartinMurillo

ack MartinMurillo

15:36:21 <PhilA> ack Brian Handspicker

ack Brian Handspicker

15:36:35 <Owen> I understand OMB may allow agencies to publish their plans/reports in any machine-readable format they choose.

Owen A: I understand OMB may allow agencies to publish their plans/reports in any machine-readable format they choose.

15:36:40 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: Open data might be a bit scary to certain culture

Martin Murillo: Open data might be a bit scary to certain culture

15:37:14 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: Diff levels of gov sector use diff systems from paper to relational databases

Martin Murillo: Diff levels of gov sector use diff systems from paper to relational databases

15:37:35 <Owen> Might this group be interested in making suggestions to OMB and other agencies on how best to publish their strategic and performance plans and reports?

Owen A: Might this group be interested in making suggestions to OMB and other agencies on how best to publish their strategic and performance plans and reports?

15:37:37 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: I think we need better definitions

Martin Murillo: I think we need better definitions

15:38:22 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Recaps (line was bad).

Jeanne Holm: Recaps (line was bad).

15:38:46 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: The term Open Government Data is too technical for some governemnts. We can perhaps provide mor general definitions tailored for the context

Martin Murillo: The term Open Government Data is too technical for some governemnts. We can perhaps provide mor general definitions tailored for the context

15:39:02 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: They may have the data in the databases but they don't necessarily think of opening it

Martin Murillo: They may have the data in the databases but they don't necessarily think of opening it

15:39:15 <PhilA> MartinMurillo: We might want to offer a more global definitions

Martin Murillo: We might want to offer a more global definitions

15:39:25 <PhilA> ... so I;m asking for a more global context

... so I;m asking for a more global context

15:39:29 <Vagner Diniz> While GLD WG is more concerned to data representation e-gov IG could bring up a broader discussion on open data such as value chain, impact, policy ec.

Vagner Diniz: While GLD WG is more concerned to data representation e-gov IG could bring up a broader discussion on open data such as value chain, impact, policy ec.

15:39:39 <PhilA> PhilA: Notes that a lot of MartinMurillo's work has been done in S America

Phil Archer: Notes that a lot of MartinMurillo's work has been done in S America

15:40:20 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: It might be worth defining those aspects before we get into the details. W3C can get a bit techie (who knew?)

Jeanne Holm: It might be worth defining those aspects before we get into the details. W3C can get a bit techie (who knew?)

15:40:49 <PhilA> q?

q?

15:41:08 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: OK, we'll get back to the roadmap.

Jeanne Holm: OK, we'll get back to the roadmap.

15:41:28 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: So where does eGov fit in? Is this local, national, internat?

Jeanne Holm: So where does eGov fit in? Is this local, national, internat?

15:41:45 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: We wanted to look at the idea of local gov objectives, maybe city government

Jeanne Holm: We wanted to look at the idea of local gov objectives, maybe city government

15:42:00 <PhilA> .. depending on your structure, your perspective will vary enormously

.. depending on your structure, your perspective will vary enormously

15:42:23 <PhilA> ... the different approaches to social media are a good example - whether they're seen as a one way or two way channel

... the different approaches to social media are a good example - whether they're seen as a one way or two way channel

15:42:49 <PhilA> ... I'd like to see the sharing of examples so govs can see what others are doing. No for 'an exemplar' but these are some things that are going on

... I'd like to see the sharing of examples so govs can see what others are doing. No for 'an exemplar' but these are some things that are going on

15:44:23 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: There were discussions around multingualism in Brussels last week...

Jeanne Holm: There were discussions around multingualism in Brussels last week...

15:44:33 <PhilA> Apologires I missed some stuff there. I have kids runing around

Apologires I missed some stuff there. I have kids runing around

15:45:16 <Zakim> +??P3

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3

15:45:25 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Also, yes, let's look at the technology too... Bernadette?

Jeanne Holm: Also, yes, let's look at the technology too... Bernadette?

15:45:27 <olyerickson> zakim, ??p3 is me

John Erickson: zakim, ??p3 is me

15:45:27 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it

15:45:39 <olyerickson> mute me

John Erickson: mute me

15:45:46 <olyerickson> zakim, mute me

John Erickson: zakim, mute me

15:45:46 <Zakim> olyerickson should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: olyerickson should now be muted

15:45:56 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: Sets out a bit about how W3C works...

Bernadette Hyland: Sets out a bit about how W3C works...

15:47:38 <PhilA> ... describes chartering process for WGs

... describes chartering process for WGs

15:47:53 <PhilA> ... describes how an Interest Group (like this) opeates

... describes how an Interest Group (like this) opeates

15:48:10 <PhilA> ... IG groups outputs can then feed into the standards process

... IG groups outputs can then feed into the standards process

15:48:59 <PhilA> .. how we use things can typically become an IG. The Health Care and Life SCiences Interest Group is very active for example. But it's about using the tech rather than developing something new. But a Working Group might emerge if it is required

.. how we use things can typically become an IG. The Health Care and Life SCiences Interest Group is very active for example. But it's about using the tech rather than developing something new. But a Working Group might emerge if it is required

15:51:05 <ed_> html5 group ... :)

Ed Summers: html5 group ... :)

15:51:14 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: So. If we felt it was necessary to have a new Recommendation for a new standard then we can't do it but we an reach out to the relevant group (if there is one) and see if we can get it done there.

Jeanne Holm: So. If we felt it was necessary to have a new Recommendation for a new standard then we can't do it but we an reach out to the relevant group (if there is one) and see if we can get it done there.

15:51:21 <PhilA> PhilA: Shhhh ed_ !

Phil Archer: Shhhh ed_ !

15:51:38 <PhilA> q+

q+

15:51:50 <Bernadette Hyland> q+

Bernadette Hyland: q+

15:52:14 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: There are many members of this group who are also members of working groups

Jeanne Holm: There are many members of this group who are also members of working groups

15:52:21 <PhilA> ack me

ack me

15:52:23 <gdick> how about getting data out of silo's ...a large shallow pile is not good

Gannon Dick: how about getting data out of silo's ...a large shallow pile is not good

15:53:01 <gdick> q+

Gannon Dick: q+

15:53:11 <JeanneHolm> PhilA: Many Working Groups produce a best practice and/or a technical standard.  Not all have to be technical recommendations.

Phil Archer: Many Working Groups produce a best practice and/or a technical standard. Not all have to be technical recommendations. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

15:53:25 <MartinMurillo> q+

Martin Murillo: q+

15:53:26 <ed_> PhilA: an IG can write Notes right?

Phil Archer: an IG can write Notes right? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:53:41 <olyerickson> PhilA: Not always about creating new things in/new ways to use angle brackets, sometimes about how to use what's there

Phil Archer: Not always about creating new things in/new ways to use angle brackets, sometimes about how to use what's there [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

15:53:58 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: We're working on vocabularies in the GLD WG but the bulk of what we're doing is best practices around how a data curator might go about getting the data out into the public

Bernadette Hyland: We're working on vocabularies in the GLD WG but the bulk of what we're doing is best practices around how a data curator might go about getting the data out into the public

15:54:11 <PhilA> PhilA: Yes, IGs can produce Notes ed_

Phil Archer: Yes, IGs can produce Notes ed_

15:54:24 <olyerickson> Bernadette Hyland: Membership in WG's not always highly technical

John Erickson: Bernadette Hyland: Membership in WG's not always highly technical

15:55:02 <olyerickson> * often stakeholders from gov, business, etc to whom WG work product critical

John Erickson: * often stakeholders from gov, business, etc to whom WG work product critical

15:55:13 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: IGs often come up with use cases and they can be very important and helpful

Bernadette Hyland: IGs often come up with use cases and they can be very important and helpful

15:55:45 <PhilA> Bernadette Hyland: If someone wanted to take the time to create a use case/problem and then feed into the GLD brains trust - that would be good.

Bernadette Hyland: If someone wanted to take the time to create a use case/problem and then feed into the GLD brains trust - that would be good.

15:55:48 <PhilA> ack gdick

ack gdick

15:56:00 <Bernadette Hyland> ack Bernadette Hyland

Bernadette Hyland: ack Bernadette Hyland

15:56:21 <Bernadette Hyland> +1

Bernadette Hyland: +1

15:56:27 <PhilA> gdick: I just wanted to highlight the data silo problem. It's not unique to eGov. Getting the data out and spreading it on the floor without structure is to be avoided I'd say

Gannon Dick: I just wanted to highlight the data silo problem. It's not unique to eGov. Getting the data out and spreading it on the floor without structure is to be avoided I'd say

15:56:39 <PhilA> gdick: That's a unique problem to eGiv and we should address it

Gannon Dick: That's a unique problem to eGov and we should address it

15:56:46 <PhilA> s/eGiv/eGov/
15:56:48 <PhilA> ack MartinMurillo

ack MartinMurillo

15:58:03 <PhilA> PhilA: Can I please ask MartinMurillo to type your comment into the IRC as I missed most of it (poor line I'm afraid)

Phil Archer: Can I please ask MartinMurillo to type your comment into the IRC as I missed most of it (poor line I'm afraid)

15:58:55 <citizencontact>   I think that we should continue the work on "notes" that help to explain to policy people how to better use technology to improve government practices without all the jargon.

Daniel Bennett: I think that we should continue the work on "notes" that help to explain to policy people how to better use technology to improve government practices without all the jargon.

15:58:56 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: If we can be one of the authoritative integration points we don't necessarily need to have all the unique info but somewhere that people can find examples that can help in policy exchange etc.

Jeanne Holm: If we can be one of the authoritative integration points we don't necessarily need to have all the unique info but somewhere that people can find examples that can help in policy exchange etc.

15:59:18 <olyerickson> JeanneHolm: Perfect feedback, thanks!

Jeanne Holm: Perfect feedback, thanks! [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

15:59:19 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Thank you. This is the kind of feedback we need today and in the coming weeks

Jeanne Holm: Thank you. This is the kind of feedback we need today and in the coming weeks

15:59:30 <Brand> Three new activities to mention before going to another call: Killer Semantic Web Application (Semantic MedLine on the new Cray Graph Computer) for the Federal Big Data Senior Steering Group; and Data as a First Class Citizen (Data Science and Journalism) for IC, OSTP, NIST OASIS, and OMG for Audit and Analytic Standards for Open Data Sites

Brand Niemann: Three new activities to mention before going to another call: Killer Semantic Web Application (Semantic MedLine on the new Cray Graph Computer) for the Federal Big Data Senior Steering Group; and Data as a First Class Citizen (Data Science and Journalism) for IC, OSTP, NIST OASIS, and OMG for Audit and Analytic Standards for Open Data Sites

15:59:46 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: The format that we're planning is to focus on specific areas each month and we should have a schedule out soon

Jeanne Holm: The format that we're planning is to focus on specific areas each month and we should have a schedule out soon

16:00:25 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: So if you have a good example, say a policy around social media and where social media has made a difference, that would be good

Jeanne Holm: So if you have a good example, say a policy around social media and where social media has made a difference, that would be good

16:00:39 <PhilA> ... and maybe problems and how it was solved (incl. commercial companies)

... and maybe problems and how it was solved (incl. commercial companies)

16:00:57 <citizencontact> The more we can do to improve how geeks can speak up to make changes without sounding like machine code, the more likely to have real implementations.

Daniel Bennett: The more we can do to improve how geeks can speak up to make changes without sounding like machine code, the more likely to have real implementations.

16:01:02 <PhilA> ... idea is that Tomasz and I will organise these each month and come up with something tangible each month. Case studies, examples

... idea is that Tomasz and I will organise these each month and come up with something tangible each month. Case studies, examples

16:01:42 <PhilA> ... someone might have written up a case study or done a presentation. We may then have to make it into a case study.

... someone might have written up a case study or done a presentation. We may then have to make it into a case study.

16:02:01 <MartinMurillo> Following what Phil  and other said,  I suggest to create a standard/document repository to put the work aready done on the various issues; this will allow to be more efficient.  for instance there's work in policy modeling (crossover) and I wonder whether there's the same documentation/map coming from other governments

Martin Murillo: Following what Phil and other said, I suggest to create a standard/document repository to put the work aready done on the various issues; this will allow to be more efficient. for instance there's work in policy modeling (crossover) and I wonder whether there's the same documentation/map coming from other governments

16:02:08 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: people also asking for a directory. Who in government X is working in area Y?

Jeanne Holm: people also asking for a directory. Who in government X is working in area Y?

16:02:20 <Zakim> -BrandN

Zakim IRC Bot: -BrandN

16:02:25 <PhilA> ... a community directory could be very useful in this space

... a community directory could be very useful in this space

16:02:31 <Bernadette Hyland> @PhilA and @Jeanne, thank you all.  I have to drop off for another call.  Good discussion, glad these calls are going again.

Bernadette Hyland: @PhilA and @Jeanne, thank you all. I have to drop off for another call. Good discussion, glad these calls are going again.

16:02:37 <Zakim> -Bernadette Hyland

Zakim IRC Bot: -Bernadette Hyland

16:02:53 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Something that came up in Brussels is the area of prcurement

Jeanne Holm: Something that came up in Brussels is the area of prcurement

16:02:54 <citizencontact> Yes, procurement is bound by policy.

Daniel Bennett: Yes, procurement is bound by policy.

16:03:28 <MartinMurillo> 15-20% of nations GDP goes to  procurement; what about eGov procurement?

Martin Murillo: 15-20% of nations GDP goes to procurement; what about eGov procurement?

16:03:44 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: When I was doing virtual worlds work at NASA, I had to go to the procurement office and say I was buying a virtual island in the caribbean - an unusal conversation

Jeanne Holm: When I was doing virtual worlds work at NASA, I had to go to the procurement office and say I was buying a virtual island in the caribbean - an unusal conversation

16:04:01 <citizencontact> and policy should be talked about in ways that non-technical policy government administrators and the public and participate in the conversation.

Daniel Bennett: and policy should be talked about in ways that non-technical policy government administrators and the public and participate in the conversation.

16:04:08 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: eProcurement can potentially increase efficiency so we'll have that as a future topic

Jeanne Holm: eProcurement can potentially increase efficiency so we'll have that as a future topic

16:04:17 <PhilA> rrsage, make logs public

rrsage, make logs public

16:04:23 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public

rrsagent, make logs public

16:04:36 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: And we'd like to get you comments on all that?

Jeanne Holm: And we'd like to get you comments on all that?

16:04:43 <MartinMurillo> Government data centers and infrastructure + maintenance  increase eprocurement very much

Martin Murillo: Government data centers and infrastructure + maintenance increase eprocurement very much

16:04:51 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:04:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/29-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/29-egov-minutes.html PhilA

16:05:22 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: So I want to encourage everyone to look at the roadmap and make suggestions on the topics and the approach. eProcurement and CKAN havea come up as ideas

Jeanne Holm: So I want to encourage everyone to look at the roadmap and make suggestions on the topics and the approach. eProcurement and CKAN havea come up as ideas

16:05:40 <PhilA> ... then we'll put out a call for speakers about a month ahead of each meeting

... then we'll put out a call for speakers about a month ahead of each meeting

16:05:53 <PhilA> ... you should see this building out dynamically over the coming months

... you should see this building out dynamically over the coming months

16:05:53 <citizencontact> For example, all the "Cloud" and previous Web 2.0 are jargon words that mask real issues. HTML5 may be a great technical standard, but explaining how policy outcomes are possible is much harder.

Daniel Bennett: For example, all the "Cloud" and previous Web 2.0 are jargon words that mask real issues. HTML5 may be a great technical standard, but explaining how policy outcomes are possible is much harder.

16:06:05 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Some of the people from teh LinekdIn group have offered to speak about various things

Jeanne Holm: Some of the people from teh LinekdIn group have offered to speak about various things

16:06:36 <PhilA> .. I know Owen has offered a talk, Andrea Perego can talk about INSPIRE (EU environment/geospatial data)

.. I know Owen has offered a talk, Andrea Perego can talk about INSPIRE (EU environment/geospatial data)

16:07:15 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: This is a bit of an experiment to balance the time zones

Jeanne Holm: This is a bit of an experiment to balance the time zones

16:07:35 <citizencontact> Also, I would be happy to discuss legislative document and data standards. OASIS has a new group that is working on a standard XML for legislation (Akomo Ntoso). I can also bring the creators of it to our group.

Daniel Bennett: Also, I would be happy to discuss legislative document and data standards. OASIS has a new group that is working on a standard XML for legislation (Akomo Ntoso). I can also bring the creators of it to our group.

16:07:45 <PhilA> ... Tomasz has helped bring more structure and so the roadmap really is the key thing to do.

... Tomasz has helped bring more structure and so the roadmap really is the key thing to do.

16:08:22 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Tomasz and I are always open to suggestions

Jeanne Holm: Tomasz and I are always open to suggestions

16:08:27 <citizencontact> Daniel Bennett, daniel@citizencontact.com

Daniel Bennett: Daniel Bennett, daniel@citizencontact.com

16:08:33 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Any more comments?

Jeanne Holm: Any more comments?

16:08:34 <Brian Handspicker> Thank you Jeanne and Phil!

Brian Handspicker: Thank you Jeanne and Phil!

16:08:36 <olyerickson> Thanks Jeanne!

John Erickson: Thanks Jeanne!

16:08:48 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes

16:08:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/29-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/29-egov-minutes.html PhilA

16:09:51 <citizencontact> I would recommend on the call to get the scribe. I would do next time but may be away. But do please post scribe notes.

Daniel Bennett: I would recommend on the call to get the scribe. I would do next time but may be away. But do please post scribe notes.

16:09:52 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: talks about scribing

Jeanne Holm: talks about scribing

16:10:19 <PhilA> ed_: I was curious whether you and Tomasz have talked about integration with IETF?

Ed Summers: I was curious whether you and Tomasz have talked about integration with IETF?

16:10:41 <Brian Handspicker> Let's not forget relations with NIEM

Brian Handspicker: Let's not forget relations with NIEM

16:10:55 <citizencontact> and OASIS

Daniel Bennett: and OASIS

16:11:03 <BobbiMartin> Awesome meeting/discussion. This was my first. I'm excited to see what is to come. Thanks!

Bobbi Martin: Awesome meeting/discussion. This was my first. I'm excited to see what is to come. Thanks!

16:11:05 <olyerickson> Point of correction: W3C doesn't create "standards," only "recommendations..."

John Erickson: Point of correction: W3C doesn't create "standards," only "recommendations..."

16:11:47 <JeanneHolm> PhilA: W3C has good connections with the IETF, ISO, OGC, OASIS, IEEE, NIEM--both formally and informally.  Is there something you have in mind specifically?

Phil Archer: W3C has good connections with the IETF, ISO, OGC, OASIS, IEEE, NIEM--both formally and informally. Is there something you have in mind specifically? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ]

16:11:50 <Owen> If anyone identifies objectives that the W3C could/should be pursuing with other SDOs, I will be happy to document them in StratML format.

Owen A: If anyone identifies objectives that the W3C could/should be pursuing with other SDOs, I will be happy to document them in StratML format.

16:12:03 <JeanneHolm> Thanks, Owen.

Jeanne Holm: Thanks, Owen.

16:13:03 <PhilA> JeanneHolm: Anything else?

Jeanne Holm: Anything else?

16:13:24 <olyerickson> Thanks again, Jeanne!

John Erickson: Thanks again, Jeanne!



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