Meeting Record

eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 20 June 2012

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Boris Villazón-Terrazas, Daniel Bennett, Jeanne Holm, John Sheridan, John Erickson, José Alonso, Martín Álvarez, Phil Archer, Unknown CaptSolo, Unknown Girts, Unknown cgueret, Vagner Diniz, Vassilios Peristeras

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Jeanne Holm, Boris Villazón-Terrazas, Phil Archer, Unknown cgueret, John Erickson

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

None.

Topics

Using open data: is it really empowering
Apps 2
1. Open Culture Data
2. Linked Open Data in Use
Open Data Business Models
Open Corporates, Chris Taggart
IntraSoft
Jens Steensma
David Mitton, Listpoint
1. Discussion of Business Models for Public Sector Open Data
Lightning Talks on Open Data Ecosystem
Coffee
Report from the SEMIC Interoperability Conference
Report on Semic conference
Session on Tools
Summary from David Osimo
PhilA Summary

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07:47:00 <PhilA> Sharon: Don't have to allow entry to assessors and so they may not be able to get in the building

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Unknown Sharon: Don't have to allow entry to assessors and so they may not be able to get in the building [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:47:39 <PhilA> Sharon: as the data is passed up the chain and is aggregated, less and less of the data is passed on. If you want it all you'll have to contact thousands of local agencies

Unknown Sharon: as the data is passed up the chain and is aggregated, less and less of the data is passed on. If you want it all you'll have to contact thousands of local agencies [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:47:45 <PhilA> ... they all do it differently

Phil Archer: ... they all do it differently ←

07:47:59 <PhilA> Sharon: Case 3 - where does the money go?

Unknown Sharon: Case 3 - where does the money go? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:48:13 <PhilA> ... 1bn of the 8bn went to the NY state transport system

Phil Archer: ... 1bn of the 8bn went to the NY state transport system ←

07:49:11 <PhilA> ... there's a requirement for grantees of the money to report quarterly. States not set up to do this and so systems had to be put in place very quickly

Phil Archer: ... there's a requirement for grantees of the money to report quarterly. States not set up to do this and so systems had to be put in place very quickly ←

07:49:22 <PhilA> ... 13 different information systems used by 400 projects

Phil Archer: ... 13 different information systems used by 400 projects ←

07:49:40 <PhilA> ... implementation quality varied greatly

Phil Archer: ... implementation quality varied greatly ←

07:49:51 <PhilA> ... and it's hard to measure. What is a job created? What is a job saved?

Phil Archer: ... and it's hard to measure. What is a job created? What is a job saved? ←

07:51:01 <PhilA> Sharon: we have data, we have technologies, we have management/organisations - how do we collect it? define it etc., and we have policies about the services and the data

Unknown Sharon: we have data, we have technologies, we have management/organisations - how do we collect it? define it etc., and we have policies about the services and the data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:51:14 <PhilA> ... context is real people in real places trying to do complicated things

Phil Archer: ... context is real people in real places trying to do complicated things ←

07:51:24 <PhilA> ... not surprising that a lot of data is not used in policy making

Phil Archer: ... not surprising that a lot of data is not used in policy making ←

07:51:56 <PhilA> ... tend to use single data sources. We don't have data about whether services for homeless people and it's harder to get

Phil Archer: ... tend to use single data sources. We don't have data about whether services for homeless people and it's harder to get ←

07:52:11 <PhilA> ... and elephant in the room is data quality

Phil Archer: ... and elephant in the room is data quality ←

07:52:22 <PhilA> ... for most people data quality means accuracy but it means more

Phil Archer: ... for most people data quality means accuracy but it means more ←

07:52:35 <PhilA> ... data quality = fitness for use

Phil Archer: ... data quality = fitness for use ←

07:53:42 <PhilA> ... data quality usually involves trade offs between, say, timeliness which may mean sacrificing some quality

Phil Archer: ... data quality usually involves trade offs between, say, timeliness which may mean sacrificing some quality ←

07:53:50 <PhilA> ... many dimensions to data quality

Phil Archer: ... many dimensions to data quality ←

07:55:20 <PhilA> ... Describes US census data - very detailed. The gold standard. cf. the metadata about a tweet

Phil Archer: ... Describes US census data - very detailed. The gold standard. cf. the metadata about a tweet ←

07:55:23 <olyerickson> ...Link to "Data Quality Assessment" (Pipino, et.al. 2002) http://dwquality.com/DQAssessment.pdf

John Erickson: ...Link to "Data Quality Assessment" (Pipino, et.al. 2002) http://dwquality.com/DQAssessment.pdf ←

07:55:51 <PhilA> ... these are prganisations that understand the value of data. The amount of metadata and quality and attention on it should be commensurate with the value we think the data has

Phil Archer: ... these are prganisations that understand the value of data. The amount of metadata and quality and attention on it should be commensurate with the value we think the data has ←

07:56:05 <PhilA> ... some data quality tools

Phil Archer: ... some data quality tools ←

07:56:41 <PhilA> ... metadata should support users you don't know

Phil Archer: ... metadata should support users you don't know ←

07:57:03 <olyerickson> ...non-technical data quality tools  for providers and users...

John Erickson: ...non-technical data quality tools for providers and users... ←

07:57:49 <PhilA> sharon: data is an artificial representation of the real world

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Unknown sharon: data is an artificial representation of the real world [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:58:27 <olyerickson> ..."the more structured the (data), the further it is from the real world"

John Erickson: ..."the more structured the (data), the further it is from the real world" ←

07:58:35 <PhilA> ... we have talked a little about integrating data sets and we recognise that this is rarely done. That might not be a bad thing as combinations multiple the errors substantially

Phil Archer: ... we have talked a little about integrating data sets and we recognise that this is rarely done. That might not be a bad thing as combinations multiple the errors substantially ←

07:59:41 <PhilA> Topic: Using open data: is it really empowering

1. Using open data: is it really empowering

07:59:53 <PhilA> paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_39.pdf

Phil Archer: paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_39.pdf ←

08:00:36 <PhilA> HelenD: Take Sharon's last slide as a starting point... we're in the tsunami of data

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Unknown HelenD: Take Sharon's last slide as a starting point... we're in the tsunami of data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:00:43 <PhilA> ... but do we get the information we want?

Phil Archer: ... but do we get the information we want? ←

08:00:49 <PhilA> ... not always cost free

Phil Archer: ... not always cost free ←

08:01:08 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

08:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-egov-minutes.html PhilA

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-egov-minutes.html PhilA ←

08:01:10 <olyerickson> ..."right" to data linked to "right" to access to information

John Erickson: ..."right" to data linked to "right" to access to information ←

08:01:49 <PhilA> HelenD: Parallel to publishing of data has been improvement in rights to access to data

Unknown HelenD: Parallel to publishing of data has been improvement in rights to access to data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:02:14 <PhilA> ... ECHR sees access to data as part of freedom of expression 3 years ago, confirmed by UN less than a year ago

Phil Archer: ... ECHR sees access to data as part of freedom of expression 3 years ago, confirmed by UN less than a year ago ←

08:02:41 <PhilA> ... not sure that there's a necessity to talk about a right to data when we have a human right linked to freedom of expression

Phil Archer: ... not sure that there's a necessity to talk about a right to data when we have a human right linked to freedom of expression ←

08:02:55 <PhilA> ... need data in a proper format

Phil Archer: ... need data in a proper format ←

08:02:59 <PhilA> ... machine readable etc.

Phil Archer: ... machine readable etc. ←

08:03:14 <PhilA> ... and should be free except perhaps printing costs if you want it that way

Phil Archer: ... and should be free except perhaps printing costs if you want it that way ←

08:03:36 <PhilA> ... highlights http://asktheeu.org

Phil Archer: ... highlights http://asktheeu.org ←

08:03:52 <PhilA> ... used by OKFN to get access to entire EU budget in machine-readable format for the first time

Phil Archer: ... used by OKFN to get access to entire EU budget in machine-readable format for the first time ←

08:04:08 <olyerickson> ..."New UN General Comment on Freedom of Expression" (2011) <http://bit.ly/L3B0xk>

John Erickson: ..."New UN General Comment on Freedom of Expression" (2011) <http://bit.ly/L3B0xk> ←

08:04:23 <PhilA> ... other aspect to access to info being a right puts oblgation on govs to publish proactively, not just in response to FOI

Phil Archer: ... other aspect to access to info being a right puts oblgation on govs to publish proactively, not just in response to FOI ←

08:04:54 <PhilA> ... Sharon made the comment that the data that's available may not be what's needed in policy making

Phil Archer: ... Sharon made the comment that the data that's available may not be what's needed in policy making ←

08:05:24 <olyerickson> ..."When people outside govt...insist on data, can force policy makers to take into consideration data they may have overlooked"

John Erickson: ..."When people outside govt...insist on data, can force policy makers to take into consideration data they may have overlooked" ←

08:05:28 <PhilA> ... but when people outside government insist on access to data can force policy makers to consider data they haven't considered and then maybe use them - recognise the feedback loops

Phil Archer: ... but when people outside government insist on access to data can force policy makers to consider data they haven't considered and then maybe use them - recognise the feedback loops ←

08:05:52 <PhilA> ... we need relevant feedback loops

Phil Archer: ... we need relevant feedback loops ←

08:06:17 <PhilA> HelenD: what do we need to know to hold govs to account?

Unknown HelenD: what do we need to know to hold govs to account? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:06:30 <PhilA> ... open budget spending data is very important

Phil Archer: ... open budget spending data is very important ←

08:06:51 <PhilA> ... what is the impact on financial crisis on health services is very big

Phil Archer: ... what is the impact on financial crisis on health services is very big ←

08:07:19 <olyerickson> ..."Data for Democracy": budget spending, health services, education data, companies registers, tax delinquency

John Erickson: ..."Data for Democracy": budget spending, health services, education data, companies registers, tax delinquency ←

08:07:30 <PhilA> ... Chris Taggart gives most countries a score of 23/100 on company transparency

Phil Archer: ... Chris Taggart gives most countries a score of 23/100 on company transparency ←

08:08:07 <olyerickson> ..."Transparency International measures corruption, not transparency..."

John Erickson: ..."Transparency International measures corruption, not transparency..." ←

08:08:51 <PhilA> Katleen: So Helen's spoken about gov obligation to provide what citizens need, not what they want to give

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Unknown Katleen: So Helen's spoken about gov obligation to provide what citizens need, not what they want to give [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:09:08 <olyerickson> ..."relevant information is not for the government to choose"

John Erickson: ..."relevant information is not for the government to choose" ←

08:09:19 <PhilA> Katleen: the Open data community is part of the supply side, not the demand side which is the end users, the public. That's teh goal we need to aim for

Unknown Katleen: the Open data community is part of the supply side, not the demand side which is the end users, the public. That's teh goal we need to aim for [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:09:21 <olyerickson> ...relevancy based on what citizens demand/need

John Erickson: ...relevancy based on what citizens demand/need ←

08:09:41 <PhilA> ... so what is our role?

Phil Archer: ... so what is our role? ←

08:09:53 <PhilA> ... sitting here won't help

Phil Archer: ... sitting here won't help ←

08:10:03 <PhilA> ... it's about reaching out to wider communities

Phil Archer: ... it's about reaching out to wider communities ←

08:10:29 <PhilA> ... open data activitists have a responsibility to reach out to local activists

Phil Archer: ... open data activitists have a responsibility to reach out to local activists ←

08:10:48 <PhilA> ... ask not what open data can do for us but what it can do for citizens (paraphrase)

Phil Archer: ... ask not what open data can do for us but what it can do for citizens (paraphrase) ←

08:11:02 <PhilA> ... most peoiple don't know what to do with data files

Phil Archer: ... most peoiple don't know what to do with data files ←

08:11:28 <PhilA> .. need to find a way to translate what we;re doing to a bigger group

Phil Archer: .. need to find a way to translate what we;re doing to a bigger group ←

08:11:43 <PhilA> ... we need to realise how we're creating new dependencies

Phil Archer: ... we need to realise how we're creating new dependencies ←

08:12:09 <PhilA> ... the open data community ends up being the gate keepers

Phil Archer: ... the open data community ends up being the gate keepers ←

08:12:17 <PhilA> Richard: Questions?

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Unknown Richard: Questions? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:12:57 <olyerickson> ...reference to "School of Data" (Ckan)

John Erickson: ...reference to "School of Data" (Ckan) ←

08:13:25 <PhilA> Katleen: It takes a lot of work and it's a very good start but we need to do more (scribe may have that wrong)

Unknown Katleen: It takes a lot of work and it's a very good start but we need to do more (scribe may have that wrong) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:13:39 <olyerickson> ...School of Data link <http://schoolofdata.org/>

John Erickson: ...School of Data link <http://schoolofdata.org/> ←

08:13:42 <PhilA> HelenD: Is the data reaching the campaigning groups and civil society folks

Unknown HelenD: Is the data reaching the campaigning groups and civil society folks [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:14:15 <PhilA> ... does civil society know how to get the data to relevant people. Not just raw data but visualisation and so on. Need complemenatry measures

Phil Archer: ... does civil society know how to get the data to relevant people. Not just raw data but visualisation and so on. Need complemenatry measures ←

08:14:24 <olyerickson> ...dataviz work shouldn't stop on the web site

John Erickson: ...dataviz work shouldn't stop on the web site ←

08:14:29 <PhilA> ... we do a lot of work helping organisations use the data

Phil Archer: ... we do a lot of work helping organisations use the data ←

08:15:05 <olyerickson> ...viz work should reach out to "user community" (citizens) to ensure it meets demands and is effective

John Erickson: ...viz work should reach out to "user community" (citizens) to ensure it meets demands and is effective ←

08:15:30 <PhilA> Tim: What is the message to those on teh supply side - should we stop and consider the capacity to use data before we release it

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Unknown Tim: What is the message to those on teh supply side - should we stop and consider the capacity to use data before we release it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:16:10 <PhilA> Federico: Do you think opening budget data is 'not enough' do you think teaching people about the budget could be better than just opening the data set

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Unknown Federico: Do you think opening budget data is 'not enough' do you think teaching people about the budget could be better than just opening the data set [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:16:15 <Jeanne> Great points on having to communicate more about open data ideas and projects. We can applaud the good ones here, but if the developers, citizens, or others don't know about what we are doing to help it doesn't make a difference.

Jeanne Holm: Great points on having to communicate more about open data ideas and projects. We can applaud the good ones here, but if the developers, citizens, or others don't know about what we are doing to help it doesn't make a difference. ←

08:16:50 <olyerickson> ...Q: transparency in visualization...e,g,, how people know how data has been simplified

John Erickson: ...Q: transparency in visualization...e,g,, how people know how data has been simplified ←

08:16:55 <PhilA> Christian: We also need some transparency in how to visualise the data. It gets simplified and so we need to understand that. DataViz closes data

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Unknown Christian: We also need some transparency in how to visualise the data. It gets simplified and so we need to understand that. DataViz closes data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:17:24 <PhilA> Vagner: Back to Sharon - the more structured the data, the less they represent reality - seems counter to everything we're here to talk about?

Vagner Diniz: Back to Sharon - the more structured the data, the less they represent reality - seems counter to everything we're here to talk about? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:17:59 <PhilA> ... how can we comibine this data with the mess of reality

Phil Archer: ... how can we comibine this data with the mess of reality ←

08:18:18 <PhilA> ... in Brazil, people aren't concerned with data so how do we make it more interesting and more powerful

Phil Archer: ... in Brazil, people aren't concerned with data so how do we make it more interesting and more powerful ←

08:18:32 <PhilA> Katleen: I agree with pretty much all remarks made...

Unknown Katleen: I agree with pretty much all remarks made... [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:18:48 <PhilA> ... in response to Tim - maybe we should go out and ask people

Phil Archer: ... in response to Tim - maybe we should go out and ask people ←

08:19:17 <PhilA> ... developers get asked, but citizen's groups, environmental activists etc. need to be asked too

Phil Archer: ... developers get asked, but citizen's groups, environmental activists etc. need to be asked too ←

08:20:08 <PhilA> ... should government have a role in giving information, not just publishing data. When does the repsonsibility come back to gov?

Phil Archer: ... should government have a role in giving information, not just publishing data. When does the repsonsibility come back to gov? ←

08:20:42 <PhilA> HelenD: On data accuracy - reality is messy. Don't expect true accurate data from government - ask what data they're using

Unknown HelenD: On data accuracy - reality is messy. Don't expect true accurate data from government - ask what data they're using [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:21:27 <PhilA> ... dicussions about whether Ecuador or Argentina is more transparent doesn't invaliudate the data

Phil Archer: ... dicussions about whether Ecuador or Argentina is more transparent doesn't invaliudate the data ←

08:22:05 <PhilA> HelenD: Shows slide ranking availability of data in different countries - Serbia at the top, Austria at the bottom

Unknown HelenD: Shows slide ranking availability of data in different countries - Serbia at the top, Austria at the bottom [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:22:09 <olyerickson> Info on FOI legislation: <http://bit.ly/L3D7Ru>

John Erickson: Info on FOI legislation: <http://bit.ly/L3D7Ru> ←

08:22:30 <PhilA> Katleen: We have to do both - keep demanding data sets, and we need to link to the users.

Unknown Katleen: We have to do both - keep demanding data sets, and we need to link to the users. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:22:44 <olyerickson> Global RTI Rating Site <http://www.rti-rating.org/>

John Erickson: Global RTI Rating Site <http://www.rti-rating.org/> ←

08:22:54 <PhilA> ... we need to be very aware of what people want. Portals report that some data sets are never downloaded

Phil Archer: ... we need to be very aware of what people want. Portals report that some data sets are never downloaded ←

08:23:36 <PhilA> ... in Brazil of course I met were the OD community. But you have a long history of participatory budget and those people know about the importance of access to info to engage in the debate.

Phil Archer: ... in Brazil of course I met were the OD community. But you have a long history of participatory budget and those people know about the importance of access to info to engage in the debate. ←

08:24:05 <olyerickson> Q: "where is the stop in open data?"

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Unknown Q: "where is the stop in open data?" [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

08:24:48 <PhilA> Yannis: Where is the stop in Open Data - how much info do we really want to publish? is there a barrier somewhere? We're working on the assumption that if everything is open... I;m not happy to have my income statement online but if *everyione's* is, maybe I don't mind so much

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Unknown Yannis: Where is the stop in Open Data - how much info do we really want to publish? is there a barrier somewhere? We're working on the assumption that if everything is open... I;m not happy to have my income statement online but if *everyione's* is, maybe I don't mind so much [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:25:13 <PhilA> ... if we live in a society where everything is open, then is that a viable society?

Phil Archer: ... if we live in a society where everything is open, then is that a viable society? ←

08:25:41 <PhilA> HelenD: In theory it's possible to have a transparent dictatorship (ref. Martin's talk)

Unknown HelenD: In theory it's possible to have a transparent dictatorship (ref. Martin's talk) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:26:11 <PhilA> ... it wouldn't be possible for gos to publish *all* the data so let's start with what people are asking for

Phil Archer: ... it wouldn't be possible for gos to publish *all* the data so let's start with what people are asking for ←

08:26:12 <Girts> can i get the transcript of todays #egov activity?

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Unknown Girts: can i get the transcript of todays #egov activity? ←

08:26:39 <PhilA> HelenD: The only way you know you've changed country when you drive around Europe is that the speed limit changes

Unknown HelenD: The only way you know you've changed country when you drive around Europe is that the speed limit changes [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:26:48 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

08:26:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-egov-minutes.html PhilA

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08:26:56 <olyerickson> @girts Just hit <cntl>P...

John Erickson: @girts Just hit <cntl>P... ←

08:27:18 <Girts> thanks!

Unknown Girts: thanks! ←

08:27:21 <PhilA> helenD: Several countries put all tax returns online

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Unknown helenD: Several countries put all tax returns online [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:27:46 <Girts> ow it asks for username/pass today

Unknown Girts: ow it asks for username/pass today ←

08:27:49 <PhilA> HelenD: We're saying let's ensure that the data is relevant. The Spanish portal has loads of PDFs of data that was already available

Unknown HelenD: We're saying let's ensure that the data is relevant. The Spanish portal has loads of PDFs of data that was already available [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:27:57 <PhilA> rrsagent, make logs public

Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public ←

08:28:22 <Girts> and thanks again :)

Unknown Girts: and thanks again :) ←

08:28:24 <olyerickson> Re-iterating point that we must ensure data that is published is relevant to society...

John Erickson: Re-iterating point that we must ensure data that is published is relevant to society... ←

08:29:01 <PhilA> Katleen: reports on discussions with privacy people who of course don't share default of open is good

Unknown Katleen: reports on discussions with privacy people who of course don't share default of open is good [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:29:15 <PhilA> ... we can't advocate taxes online in Belgium in the way Norway does

Phil Archer: ... we can't advocate taxes online in Belgium in the way Norway does ←

08:29:36 <PhilA> ... so we need to accept that there are differences between countries

Phil Archer: ... so we need to accept that there are differences between countries ←

08:29:49 <PhilA> Richard: closes session

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Unknown Richard: closes session [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:29:54 <PhilA> COFFEE

Phil Archer: COFFEE ←

08:30:04 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

08:30:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/20-egov-minutes.html PhilA

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08:48:51 <olyerickson> phila: Reminder that lunch is UPSTAIRS (floor 5) not downstairs

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Phil Archer: Reminder that lunch is UPSTAIRS (floor 5) not downstairs [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

08:49:09 <olyerickson> Topic: Apps 2

2. Apps 2

08:49:16 <Jeanne> Irina:  In the business of making data accessible and discoverable.

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Unknown Irina: In the business of making data accessible and discoverable. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

08:49:43 <olyerickson> ...2nd part of the battle: using the data

John Erickson: ...2nd part of the battle: using the data ←

08:50:17 <olyerickson> ...this session is about using the data

John Erickson: ...this session is about using the data ←

08:50:38 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Open Culture Data

2.1. Open Culture Data

08:50:48 <Jeanne> Irina:  We have three speakers today.  First is Lotta on A Dynamic Faceted Browser for Data Cube Statistical Data at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_12.pdf

Unknown Irina: We have three speakers today. First is Lotta on A Dynamic Faceted Browser for Data Cube Statistical Data at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_12.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

08:51:13 <PhilA> scribe: Jeanne

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08:51:21 <Jeanne> Sure thing.

Sure thing. ←

08:52:01 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Started experiment in September 2011 on open culture data, 8 datasets in Netherlands and 1 hack-a-thon on cultural events.

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Unknown Lotta: Started experiment in September 2011 on open culture data, 8 datasets in Netherlands and 1 hack-a-thon on cultural events. ←

08:52:48 <Jeanne> Lotta: Recommendations: CC0 (Creative Commons) for metadata; PDM (public domain mark), CC-BY of CC-BY-SA for content; open standards; and open documentation and communication

Unknown Lotta: Recommendations: CC0 (Creative Commons) for metadata; PDM (public domain mark), CC-BY of CC-BY-SA for content; open standards; and open documentation and communication ←

08:54:31 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Hack-a-thon was on governmental data gathered people to talk about what we do.  Started to build apps on the day of the hack-a-thon.  Had one month.  13 apps were made and 8 submissions on cultural data.  Gold prize was Vistory based on open images, as well as education prize.

Unknown Lotta: Hack-a-thon was on governmental data gathered people to talk about what we do. Started to build apps on the day of the hack-a-thon. Had one month. 13 apps were made and 8 submissions on cultural data. Gold prize was Vistory based on open images, as well as education prize. ←

08:55:17 <Jeanne> Faces of the Rijksmuseum app based on 100,000 images made available by the Rijkmuseum.  Ran image detection software on the content and identified faces.

Faces of the Rijksmuseum app based on 100,000 images made available by the Rijkmuseum. Ran image detection software on the content and identified faces. ←

08:55:36 <olyerickson> ...Link to OCD site http://www.opencultuurdata.nl/

John Erickson: ...Link to OCD site http://www.opencultuurdata.nl/ ←

08:56:39 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Ruks-Quiz was applauded by Rijkmuseum was a quiz based on the content from the museum.  Another app made the content available through the conclass browser to see their collections in-house in a new way.  Another was Connected Collection that recommends related content from other cultural heritage museums based on your search.

Unknown Lotta: Ruks-Quiz was applauded by Rijkmuseum was a quiz based on the content from the museum. Another app made the content available through the conclass browser to see their collections in-house in a new way. Another was Connected Collection that recommends related content from other cultural heritage museums based on your search. ←

08:56:53 <Vagner_br> the correct Lotte`s presentation is "Open Culture Data" at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_22.pdf

Vagner Diniz: the correct Lotte`s presentation is "Open Culture Data" at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_22.pdf ←

08:57:25 <Jeanne> Lotta:  The winning app connected videos with the collection.

Unknown Lotta: The winning app connected videos with the collection. ←

08:58:15 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Next step was that in January 2012 worked with Images for the Future and Creative Commons Nederland, started master classes in April, competition and hack-a-thon in June and another in October.  In January 2013 will be awards.

Unknown Lotta: Next step was that in January 2012 worked with Images for the Future and Creative Commons Nederland, started master classes in April, competition and hack-a-thon in June and another in October. In January 2013 will be awards. ←

08:58:52 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Master class topics:  copyright, technology and tools and licensing, benefits and risks of resuse, hackathons and evaluation.

Unknown Lotta: Master class topics: copyright, technology and tools and licensing, benefits and risks of resuse, hackathons and evaluation. ←

09:00:07 <Jeanne> Lotta:  7 new datasets including 140,000 new images from a press company.  Future? Release more open culture data sets, gather and share more knowledge and case-based evidence about open culture data, organize networking events, position open culture data in national data catalog, evolve

Unknown Lotta: 7 new datasets including 140,000 new images from a press company. Future? Release more open culture data sets, gather and share more knowledge and case-based evidence about open culture data, organize networking events, position open culture data in national data catalog, evolve ←

09:01:39 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Benefits: public mission, data enrichment, increasing relevance, increasing channels to end users, brand value, specific funding, discoverability, new customers, building experise, spill over effects

Unknown Lotta: Benefits: public mission, data enrichment, increasing relevance, increasing channels to end users, brand value, specific funding, discoverability, new customers, building experise, spill over effects ←

09:01:59 <Jeanne> Lotta:  http://www.opencultuurdata.nl

Unknown Lotta: http://www.opencultuurdata.nl ←

09:03:49 <Jeanne> Question:  You recommend CC0 for metadata, we also have ISO open metadata license.

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Unknown Question: You recommend CC0 for metadata, we also have ISO open metadata license. ←

09:03:58 <olyerickson> ISA Open Metadata License mentioned <http://bit.ly/LeHFem>

John Erickson: ISA Open Metadata License mentioned <http://bit.ly/LeHFem> ←

09:04:12 <Jeanne> Lotta:  We recommend CC0 to be compatible with Europeana and Europe heritage institutions.

Unknown Lotta: We recommend CC0 to be compatible with Europeana and Europe heritage institutions. ←

09:04:19 <olyerickson> @jeanne note it's "ISA" not "ISO..."

John Erickson: @jeanne note it's "ISA" not "ISO..." ←

09:04:25 <Jeanne> Question: Are the resources available via Europeana?

Unknown Question: Are the resources available via Europeana? ←

09:04:31 <Jeanne> olyerickson: Thanks!

John Erickson: Thanks! ←

09:04:46 <Jeanne> Lotta:  The intent is to have them accessible.

Unknown Lotta: The intent is to have them accessible. ←

09:05:12 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Linked Open Data in Use

2.2. Linked Open Data in Use

09:05:49 <Jeanne> Florin Bauer and Martin Kaltenbock: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_2.pdf

Florin Bauer and Martin Kaltenbock: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_2.pdf ←

09:06:10 <Jeanne> Florin:  Is open data empowering people?  Yes--focus on energy for people in developing countries.

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Unknown Florin: Is open data empowering people? Yes--focus on energy for people in developing countries. ←

09:06:50 <PhilA> Hmm.... France showed as doing a lot of renewable. Wonder if that includes nuclear (of which FR has a lot)

Phil Archer: Hmm.... France showed as doing a lot of renewable. Wonder if that includes nuclear (of which FR has a lot) ←

09:07:33 <Jeanne> Florin:  We need to provide tools that let people understand the data.  We do the visualizations and capacity building.  We also have to help decision and policy makers to understand why open data and linked open data is so important.  It is difficult to explain.

Unknown Florin: We need to provide tools that let people understand the data. We do the visualizations and capacity building. We also have to help decision and policy makers to understand why open data and linked open data is so important. It is difficult to explain. ←

09:08:29 <olyerickson> ...link to reegle project <http://www.reegle.info/>

John Erickson: ...link to reegle project <http://www.reegle.info/> ←

09:09:22 <olyerickson> ...Florian: "Martin and I wrote the (Linked Open Data) book..."

John Erickson: ...Florian: "Martin and I wrote the (Linked Open Data) book..." ←

09:09:23 <Jeanne> Florin:  In developing countries talk about the economic benefits the government will have when they release open data.  See how datasets have connections with other datasets and organizations.  "Linked Open Data: The Essentials" and available at http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.semantic-web.at%2FLOD-TheEssentials.pdf&ei=N5PhT4CKIc6M-waq3ZCYAw&usg=AFQjCNFGkIawiz0lY1FCSi2uwHMgEF-gxg&sig2=YSmXh94SJ4jT

Unknown Florin: In developing countries talk about the economic benefits the government will have when they release open data. See how datasets have connections with other datasets and organizations. "Linked Open Data: The Essentials" and available at http://www.google.be/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFAQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.semantic-web.at%2FLOD-TheEssentials.pdf&ei=N5PhT4CKIc6M-waq3ZCYAw&usg=AFQjCNFGkIawiz0lY1FCSi2uwHMgEF-gxg&sig2=YSmXh94SJ4jT ←

09:09:44 <Jeanne> Correction: http://blog.semantic-web.at/2012/01/20/linked-open-data-the-essentials-a-quick-start-guide-for-decision-makers/

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Unknown Correction: http://blog.semantic-web.at/2012/01/20/linked-open-data-the-essentials-a-quick-start-guide-for-decision-makers/ ←

09:10:49 <Jeanne> Florin:  With linked open data we share datasets behind the scene, import data updates automatically, and let other web sites consume the data easily.  Should we transform our own platforms and tools, yes!  Reegle is the gateway we created.

Unknown Florin: With linked open data we share datasets behind the scene, import data updates automatically, and let other web sites consume the data easily. Should we transform our own platforms and tools, yes! Reegle is the gateway we created. ←

09:11:43 <Jeanne> Florin:  220,000 users per month and 1700 stakeholders worldwide.  http://reegle.info  Information from DBpedia on the country, UN, Eurostat, World Bank, UK, and our company on events and databases we provide.

Unknown Florin: 220,000 users per month and 1700 stakeholders worldwide. http://reegle.info Information from DBpedia on the country, UN, Eurostat, World Bank, UK, and our company on events and databases we provide. ←

09:12:12 <Jeanne> Florin:  Includes data from US OpenEI portal.  Without open data we would never be able to maintain this.  This is how open linked data helps us.

Unknown Florin: Includes data from US OpenEI portal. Without open data we would never be able to maintain this. This is how open linked data helps us. ←

09:13:51 <Jeanne> Martin:  Model behind the country codes shows how we interlink via semantic web technologies.  Controlled vocabularies are essential, and studying SKOS vocabularies.  We have the European data forum 2 weeks ago in Copenhagen--there is a strong need for standardization, interoperability, cross-catalog searches, and multi-lingual.  These can be achieved by linked open vocabularies.

Martín Álvarez: Model behind the country codes shows how we interlink via semantic web technologies. Controlled vocabularies are essential, and studying SKOS vocabularies. We have the European data forum 2 weeks ago in Copenhagen--there is a strong need for standardization, interoperability, cross-catalog searches, and multi-lingual. These can be achieved by linked open vocabularies. ←

09:14:55 <Jeanne> Martin:  Open Eurobot in the future.  Some of the linked vocabularies: reegle, Kluwer, Geological survey of Austria...

Martín Álvarez: Open Eurobot in the future. Some of the linked vocabularies: reegle, Kluwer, Geological survey of Austria... ←

09:16:13 <Jeanne> Martin:  API to extract tags from freetext based on term frequency and our thesaurus.  Renewable or clean or sustainable energy--send information to API and get all terms extracted from the text.

Martín Álvarez: API to extract tags from freetext based on term frequency and our thesaurus. Renewable or clean or sustainable energy--send information to API and get all terms extracted from the text. ←

09:16:52 <Jeanne> Florin:  Currently working on drafting a study to prove the benefit of open linked data in energy focused on developing countries.  Please let me know if you want to contribute to this effort.

Unknown Florin: Currently working on drafting a study to prove the benefit of open linked data in energy focused on developing countries. Please let me know if you want to contribute to this effort. ←

09:18:33 <Jeanne> Farida Vis:  Cultural specificity--when we collect data in Western cultures, we expect people to honestly answer and complete surveys.  Where does this expectation come from?  We need to think of global data cultures.

Farida Vis: Cultural specificity--when we collect data in Western cultures, we expect people to honestly answer and complete surveys. Where does this expectation come from? We need to think of global data cultures. ←

09:19:08 <Jeanne> Julian Tait:The role of communication in building an open data ecosystem at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_37.pdf

Julian Tait:The role of communication in building an open data ecosystem at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_37.pdf ←

09:19:57 <Jeanne> Julian:  Future Everything is a festival around Manchester.  How would Manchester have developed if all data was made open?  Who would benefit, who would be at risk.

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Unknown Julian: Future Everything is a festival around Manchester. How would Manchester have developed if all data was made open? Who would benefit, who would be at risk. ←

09:21:21 <Jeanne> Julian:  How can we create an ecology around open data in Manchester.  Metropolitan area is 2.6M people, 10 local authorities, complex entity.  People cross borders and want to access services anywhere, but administratively cities don't work like that.  It also has to be sustainable solutions.

Unknown Julian: How can we create an ecology around open data in Manchester. Metropolitan area is 2.6M people, 10 local authorities, complex entity. People cross borders and want to access services anywhere, but administratively cities don't work like that. It also has to be sustainable solutions. ←

09:22:40 <Jeanne> Julian:  Best to have a large potential market for services.  What is the structure of government in Manchester?  Identifying communities by needs and authority.  All are set up differently.  How would open data benefit you and release or sharing of information benefit you?

Unknown Julian: Best to have a large potential market for services. What is the structure of government in Manchester? Identifying communities by needs and authority. All are set up differently. How would open data benefit you and release or sharing of information benefit you? ←

09:23:41 <Jeanne> Julian:  Develop and engage with communities. Why should we do this, people asked.  No logic of open data.  Who is it for?  We created an open data community of users--lots of developers around "OpenData Manchester".

Unknown Julian: Develop and engage with communities. Why should we do this, people asked. No logic of open data. Who is it for? We created an open data community of users--lots of developers around "OpenData Manchester". ←

09:24:50 <Jeanne> Julian:  Users are drawn from different communities--politicians, developers, artists.  We created themed hackdays around grand challenges, "Lovely Data"--health, environment, etc.

Unknown Julian: Users are drawn from different communities--politicians, developers, artists. We created themed hackdays around grand challenges, "Lovely Data"--health, environment, etc. ←

09:26:55 <Jeanne> Julian:  Apps were created--bus timetables, mapping visualizations of transport.  People find these things useful.  Got lots of proof of concepts with no finished products.  From these communities we created the data store for all 10 local authorities.  Had to have representation and relevance to the users and the communities.  Creation of the data and how it is expressed would be relevant to the needs of the community.  Open data ecology--community of open data

Unknown Julian: Apps were created--bus timetables, mapping visualizations of transport. People find these things useful. Got lots of proof of concepts with no finished products. From these communities we created the data store for all 10 local authorities. Had to have representation and relevance to the users and the communities. Creation of the data and how it is expressed would be relevant to the needs of the community. Open data ecology--community of open data ←

09:28:12 <Jeanne> authorities.  Government needed to get data from other governments--but no real ownership of the ecology.  Creation of a mutual space--artists, journalists, activists.  Want to sustain it now--authorities asking how they should release data and what people will do with it.  Business cases are manifesting.

authorities. Government needed to get data from other governments--but no real ownership of the ecology. Creation of a mutual space--artists, journalists, activists. Want to sustain it now--authorities asking how they should release data and what people will do with it. Business cases are manifesting. ←

09:29:51 <Jeanne> Julian:  Transport is a good case--how they get information to people, 18K real-time displays vs. provide open data for app creation.  GM Local Authorities--8.5M pounds potentially saved.  Planning Data--invited people to the event to help discover new cases.

Unknown Julian: Transport is a good case--how they get information to people, 18K real-time displays vs. provide open data for app creation. GM Local Authorities--8.5M pounds potentially saved. Planning Data--invited people to the event to help discover new cases. ←

09:30:45 <Jeanne> Julian:  "If we release open data, then we won't need to do this."  SWIRRL won the European open data challege is developing businesses based on open data on CIP project and tourism.

Unknown Julian: "If we release open data, then we won't need to do this." SWIRRL won the European open data challege is developing businesses based on open data on CIP project and tourism. ←

09:32:23 <Jeanne> PhilA: A few years ago at a W3C event Sir Tim Berners-Lee had a conversation with Gordon Brown and was asked what should happen and he said make your data open.  Andrew Stott then got a call to make data.gov.UK.  Who else should Tim have dinner with?  Are you looking at getting open data about products on shelves?

Phil Archer: A few years ago at a W3C event Sir Tim Berners-Lee had a conversation with Gordon Brown and was asked what should happen and he said make your data open. Andrew Stott then got a call to make data.gov.UK. Who else should Tim have dinner with? Are you looking at getting open data about products on shelves? ←

09:33:16 <Jeanne> Julian:  No, we haven't focused on that although anyone can make data open.  An idea to make food data more open allows transparency to see sourcing of the food.

Unknown Julian: No, we haven't focused on that although anyone can make data open. An idea to make food data more open allows transparency to see sourcing of the food. ←

09:35:27 <Jeanne> Michelle:  Our project collects cultural information in Taiwan for open data development.  We had an open data day and provided awards.  Want to create apps like a car GPS service.  With government data on GIS data, then can people can get more benefit from the products and corporation can provide data back to the government, too.

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Unknown Michelle: Our project collects cultural information in Taiwan for open data development. We had an open data day and provided awards. Want to create apps like a car GPS service. With government data on GIS data, then can people can get more benefit from the products and corporation can provide data back to the government, too. ←

09:35:33 <Jeanne> Michelle:  http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_41.pdf

Unknown Michelle: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_41.pdf ←

09:36:03 <Jeanne> Irina:  How much reuse has happened and what value has happened?

Unknown Irina: How much reuse has happened and what value has happened? ←

09:36:32 <Jeanne> Florin:  We have seen a huge increase in the number of users based on taking the data from other portals and mashing it up.  Big impact on the front end side.

Unknown Florin: We have seen a huge increase in the number of users based on taking the data from other portals and mashing it up. Big impact on the front end side. ←

09:37:44 <Jeanne> Lotta:  Made 2000 videos available on Wikipedia.  Current stats from April--people can add these to Wikipedia articles, and viewed in 50 language versions 3M times per month.  By contributing open data, we can a big uptake in usage.

Unknown Lotta: Made 2000 videos available on Wikipedia. Current stats from April--people can add these to Wikipedia articles, and viewed in 50 language versions 3M times per month. By contributing open data, we can a big uptake in usage. ←

09:39:11 <Jeanne> Julian:  Transportation data in Manchester has made a difference for our citizens.

Unknown Julian: Transportation data in Manchester has made a difference for our citizens. ←

09:40:51 <Jeanne> Helen:  Many people are trying to get FOIA implemented and adopted, but places like Kenya are not making the connection between open data and transparency.  There can be ways the open data community can help the access to information community--why opening data can increase internal government efficiency.

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Unknown Helen: Many people are trying to get FOIA implemented and adopted, but places like Kenya are not making the connection between open data and transparency. There can be ways the open data community can help the access to information community--why opening data can increase internal government efficiency. ←

09:41:33 <Jeanne> Florin:  Transparency is less valued in some cases then economic benefits, but open data can result in both.

Unknown Florin: Transparency is less valued in some cases then economic benefits, but open data can result in both. ←

09:43:13 <Jeanne> TimDavies: We have data for co-production working like in Manchester and open public services--does this sidestep the policy space?  Are those compatible or are there tensions there?

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Unknown TimDavies: We have data for co-production working like in Manchester and open public services--does this sidestep the policy space? Are those compatible or are there tensions there? ←

09:44:21 <Jeanne> Lotta:  There's the PSI directive that notes cultural heritage institutions are part of the open data efforts--just metadata or open data?  Well, it may be only where you have the rights, which is a small portion of it.   What is the business model? What do you mean by open data?

Unknown Lotta: There's the PSI directive that notes cultural heritage institutions are part of the open data efforts--just metadata or open data? Well, it may be only where you have the rights, which is a small portion of it. What is the business model? What do you mean by open data? ←

09:45:30 <Jeanne> Julian:  In Manchester, we can do things together that we could never do before.  There are set in stone structures, everyone is trying to do the best, but sometimes they fight the structures they are within.  By embracing civil society, it shows how they can become more relevant, efficient, etc.

Unknown Julian: In Manchester, we can do things together that we could never do before. There are set in stone structures, everyone is trying to do the best, but sometimes they fight the structures they are within. By embracing civil society, it shows how they can become more relevant, efficient, etc. ←

09:47:10 <Jeanne> Yanos:  Inspired by slides to simulate a situation in Manchester--but we also need to experiment in new models for politicians.  From Greece, we discuss how to do life experiment--to take a small society like 30K in an island and have these questions outside the lab.  Convince the community to open everything and to convince the politicians (mayor) to do this?

Unknown Yannis: Inspired by slides to simulate a situation in Manchester--but we also need to experiment in new models for politicians. From Greece, we discuss how to do life experiment--to take a small society like 30K in an island and have these questions outside the lab. Convince the community to open everything and to convince the politicians (mayor) to do this? ←

09:48:02 <Jeanne> Julian:  It depends on the level of concerns because you can't impose the wall of openness.

Unknown Julian: It depends on the level of concerns because you can't impose the wall of openness. ←

09:48:15 <olyerickson> s/Yanos/Yannis/

09:48:25 <Jeanne> Yannis:  Sooner or later we need to do experiments outside the lab.

Unknown Yannis: Sooner or later we need to do experiments outside the lab. ←

09:49:21 <Jeanne> Richard:  New discussions deal with the content held by museums, archives, and libraries under the directive.  But content where third parties hold rights, they are not affected.  There is a large amount of content in the public domain.

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Unknown Richard: New discussions deal with the content held by museums, archives, and libraries under the directive. But content where third parties hold rights, they are not affected. There is a large amount of content in the public domain. ←

09:49:41 <Jeanne> Lotta:  What is in the public domain should remain in the public domain.  Rights need to be clear.

Unknown Lotta: What is in the public domain should remain in the public domain. Rights need to be clear. ←

09:49:54 <Jeanne> Martin:  PSI directive is good start, but seems to be watered down.

Martín Álvarez: PSI directive is good start, but seems to be watered down. ←

09:51:09 <Jeanne> Richard:  Not my impression.  Working groups discussing it--we expected opposition, but have had less than expected.  Final text adopted by Parliament and Council deals with concerns raised by the institutions about the cost.  Austrian federal government reacts in this area, but city of Vienna is a torchbearer.

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Unknown Richard: Not my impression. Working groups discussing it--we expected opposition, but have had less than expected. Final text adopted by Parliament and Council deals with concerns raised by the institutions about the cost. Austrian federal government reacts in this area, but city of Vienna is a torchbearer. ←

09:52:24 <boris> scribe: Boris

(Scribe set to Boris Villazón-Terrazas)

09:52:45 <Jeanne> Boris:  Thanks

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: Thanks [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:53:17 <boris> John: Introducing the session

John Sheridan: Introducing the session ←

09:53:38 <boris> ...: Making sense the government data

...: Making sense the government data ←

09:53:51 <boris> ...: try to understand, analyze the data itself

...: try to understand, analyze the data itself ←

09:54:01 <boris> ...: relevance on the data

...: relevance on the data ←

09:54:21 <boris> ... : Introducing the speakers

... : Introducing the speakers ←

09:54:37 <boris> ... : Introducing the talks

... : Introducing the talks ←

09:55:10 <boris> ...: First talk from Grece

...: First talk from Grece ←

09:55:31 <boris> Michalis: Introducing himself

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Unknown Michalis: Introducing himself ←

09:55:57 <boris> ...: an introduction of LOD in Grece and its status

...: an introduction of LOD in Grece and its status ←

09:56:20 <boris> ...: idea to enable participation, promote competition

...: idea to enable participation, promote competition ←

09:56:30 <boris> ...: etc

...: etc ←

09:56:41 <boris> ...: no apps yet, 2-3 stars

...: no apps yet, 2-3 stars ←

09:57:08 <boris> ...: it's important in Grece

...: it's important in Grece ←

09:57:29 <boris> ...: Issues, how to demonstrate that LOD has added value?

...: Issues, how to demonstrate that LOD has added value? ←

09:57:40 <boris> ...: apps, apps, apps, and more apps

...: apps, apps, apps, and more apps ←

09:57:52 <boris> ...: how to push an elephant in Grece

...: how to push an elephant in Grece ←

09:57:58 <josema> coming late to the log today but comment made by Julian on boundaries resonates with me; hope you could discuss further about it and cross-jurisdiction issues

José Alonso: coming late to the log today but comment made by Julian on boundaries resonates with me; hope you could discuss further about it and cross-jurisdiction issues ←

09:58:01 <boris> ...: updates, visualizations

...: updates, visualizations ←

09:58:40 <boris> ...: Input: "diavegia" every public institution has to provide data

...: Input: "diavegia" every public institution has to provide data ←

09:58:56 <boris> ...:pointing some vocabularies ....

...:pointing some vocabularies .... ←

09:59:02 <boris> ...:original decision text in pdf

...:original decision text in pdf ←

09:59:22 <boris> ...: there is a Tax Information System

...: there is a Tax Information System ←

09:59:25 <PhilA> scribe: boris

09:59:44 <boris> ...: checklist, they have an ontology by reusing available vocabs

...: checklist, they have an ontology by reusing available vocabs ←

09:59:55 <boris> ...: 2. basic visualizations

...: 2. basic visualizations ←

10:00:08 <boris> ...: register on thedatahub

...: register on thedatahub ←

10:00:13 <boris> ...: provide links

...: provide links ←

10:00:29 <boris> ...: links to EU, US, etc

...: links to EU, US, etc ←

10:00:42 <boris> ...: also links to geodata, dbpedia

...: also links to geodata, dbpedia ←

10:00:51 <boris> ...: 5. demos and services

...: 5. demos and services ←

10:01:13 <boris> ...: 6. data awareness, organizing hackathons

...: 6. data awareness, organizing hackathons ←

10:01:30 <boris> ...: showing an example of a basic visualization

...: showing an example of a basic visualization ←

10:01:56 <boris> ...: showing where my money goes data

...: showing where my money goes data ←

10:02:14 <boris> ...: showing "bubble" visualization about banks

...: showing "bubble" visualization about banks ←

10:02:26 <boris> ...: money goes to help bank

...: money goes to help bank ←

10:02:28 <boris> s

s ←

10:02:47 <boris> ...: now showing other visualization example

...: now showing other visualization example ←

10:03:19 <boris> ...: showing a demo about Litchfield district, where my money goes

...: showing a demo about Litchfield district, where my money goes ←

10:03:33 <boris> ...: extracting information from dbpedia

...: extracting information from dbpedia ←

10:03:57 <boris> ...: comparative statistics, about the money in Lichfield and Kalithea

...: comparative statistics, about the money in Lichfield and Kalithea ←

10:04:23 <boris> ...: SPARQL QUERY about Kalithea for product and services

...: SPARQL QUERY about Kalithea for product and services ←

10:04:47 <boris> ...: they need to do some ontology alignment

...: they need to do some ontology alignment ←

10:04:55 <boris> ...: they get the results from that query

...: they get the results from that query ←

10:05:17 <boris> ...: comparing budget of Litchfield and Kalithea

...: comparing budget of Litchfield and Kalithea ←

10:05:38 <boris> ...: now build a Greek business repository

...: now build a Greek business repository ←

10:05:49 <boris> ...: it's an ongoing process

...: it's an ongoing process ←

10:06:17 <boris> ...: they can exchange information in both ways

...: they can exchange information in both ways ←

10:06:27 <boris> ...: example Vodafone and Siemens

...: example Vodafone and Siemens ←

10:06:44 <boris> ...: information about Greek companies

...: information about Greek companies ←

10:07:08 <boris> ...: they presented first app on the Greek LOD

...: they presented first app on the Greek LOD ←

10:07:26 <boris> ...: try to initiative the benefits of LOD lifecycle

...: try to initiative the benefits of LOD lifecycle ←

10:07:39 <boris> ...: try to get people involved

...: try to get people involved ←

10:08:01 <boris> ...: it was hard to get people involved, data was rich, but not in a good shape

...: it was hard to get people involved, data was rich, but not in a good shape ←

10:08:11 <boris> ...: making meaningful data was so, so hard

...: making meaningful data was so, so hard ←

10:08:34 <boris> ...: people involved, newspaper portal

...: people involved, newspaper portal ←

10:08:41 <boris> ...: preparing visualization for them

...: preparing visualization for them ←

10:08:46 <boris> ...: thanks!

...: thanks! ←

10:08:56 <boris> John: questions?

John Sheridan: questions? ←

10:09:20 <boris> ...: quick question: how this is a priority giving the current situation in Greece?

...: quick question: how this is a priority giving the current situation in Greece? ←

10:09:50 <boris> michail: In Greece, they have a special meeting for defining the values of these data

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Unknown michail: In Greece, they have a special meeting for defining the values of these data ←

10:10:00 <boris> ...: now they want to show simple cases

...: now they want to show simple cases ←

10:10:26 <boris> ...: apparently nothing is happening because of this ....

...: apparently nothing is happening because of this .... ←

10:10:33 <boris> ...: no consumption of data so far

...: no consumption of data so far ←

10:10:51 <boris> ...: they will inform what happens

...: they will inform what happens ←

10:11:07 <boris> someone: it is possible to do the same at EU level

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Unknown someone: it is possible to do the same at EU level ←

10:11:09 <boris> ?

? ←

10:11:23 <boris> Michail: that's the goal

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Unknown Michail: that's the goal ←

10:12:03 <boris> ...: there's a eu directive ... it's a hidden business information .... others can use the data to comepite

...: there's a eu directive ... it's a hidden business information .... others can use the data to comepite ←

10:12:10 <boris> ...: there is not technical barrier

...: there is not technical barrier ←

10:12:48 <boris> Uldis: introducing his presentation "Exploring the networks in open data"

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Unknown Uldis: introducing his presentation "Exploring the networks in open data" ←

10:13:03 <boris> ...: he is coming from University of Latvia

...: he is coming from University of Latvia ←

10:13:27 <boris> ...: his co-author, Valdis is a social network analyst

...: his co-author, Valdis is a social network analyst ←

10:13:51 <boris> ...: network visualization and analysis is useful, showing its benefits

...: network visualization and analysis is useful, showing its benefits ←

10:14:03 <boris> ...: there are several types of networks

...: there are several types of networks ←

10:14:27 <boris> ...: also a open data hackathon in Riga

...: also a open data hackathon in Riga ←

10:14:52 <boris> ...: they need the data first, the pre-process the data, then visualize data

...: they need the data first, the pre-process the data, then visualize data ←

10:15:02 <boris> ...: we need data to be open

...: we need data to be open ←

10:15:10 <boris> ...: it's a problem in Latvia

...: it's a problem in Latvia ←

10:15:18 <boris> ...: no so much open documents

...: no so much open documents ←

10:15:31 <boris> ...: document in html form from the parlamient

...: document in html form from the parlamient ←

10:15:50 <boris> ...: still they got the information .... political parties, etc

...: still they got the information .... political parties, etc ←

10:16:04 <boris> ...: of course you can publish in a newspaper

...: of course you can publish in a newspaper ←

10:16:14 <boris> ...: next step is to pre-process the data

...: next step is to pre-process the data ←

10:16:28 <boris> ...: no much cleaning was needed

...: no much cleaning was needed ←

10:16:44 <boris> ...: output was information about objects and relations about those objects

...: output was information among objects and relations among those objects ←

10:16:57 <boris> s/about/among

10:17:15 <boris> ...: next, defining graph connections

...: next, defining graph connections ←

10:17:27 <boris> ...: they also need to filter the data

...: they also need to filter the data ←

10:17:59 <boris> ...: for example opinion differences ... what to filter out ... filter out trivial decisions

...: for example opinion differences ... what to filter out ... filter out trivial decisions ←

10:18:45 <boris> ...: for visualization they define legends for each one of the parties

...: for visualization they define legends for each one of the parties ←

10:19:01 <boris> ...: talking about the parties

...: talking about the parties ←

10:19:34 <boris> ...: about of the level of tolerance, how to consider a connection

...: about of the level of tolerance, how to consider a connection ←

10:20:08 <boris> ...: who always agree or disagree ... we can see that some parties have a strong voting discipline

...: who always agree or disagree ... we can see that some parties have a strong voting discipline ←

10:20:40 <boris> ...: show another visualization taking into account the 35% disagree

...: show another visualization taking into account the 35% disagree ←

10:21:00 <boris> ...: next, to refine the visualization

...: next, to refine the visualization ←

10:21:17 <boris> ...: define the right cut-off values ....

...: define the right cut-off values .... ←

10:21:44 <boris> ...: what domain experts think about that? ... their opinion it's important to improve visualizations

...: what domain experts think about that? ... their opinion is important to improve visualizations ←

10:21:56 <boris> s/it's/is

10:22:23 <boris> ...: documents and visualizations are useful for this task

...: documents and visualizations are useful for this task ←

10:22:47 <boris> ...: showing another example of middle values, opposites parties are voting the same

...: showing another example of middle values, opposites parties are voting the same ←

10:23:13 <boris> ...: we can identify some patterns on the visualizations

...: we can identify some patterns on the visualizations ←

10:23:32 <boris> ...: new diagram with more number of connections

...: new diagram with more number of connections ←

10:23:58 <boris> ...: there are connections between opposites parties

...: there are connections between opposites parties ←

10:24:04 <boris> ...: what can we do next?

...: what can we do next? ←

10:24:10 <boris> ...: understand the visualization

...: understand the visualization ←

10:24:27 <boris> ...: one expert from former members of the parliament

...: one expert from former members of the parliament ←

10:25:19 <boris> ...: improve visualizations, create multiple multiple visualizations

...: improve visualizations, create multiple multiple visualizations ←

10:25:37 <boris> ...: this involves some new things to do ...

...: this involves some new things to do ... ←

10:25:48 <boris> ...: also we can bring more data ...

...: also we can bring more data ... ←

10:26:01 <boris> ...: from outside of the graph

...: from outside of the graph ←

10:26:12 <boris> ...: click on a edge and include additional information

...: click on a edge and include additional information ←

10:26:27 <boris> ...: connect to LOD data

...: connect to LOD data ←

10:26:34 <boris> ...: more examples

...: more examples ←

10:26:40 <boris> ...: donations of political parties

...: donations to political parties ←

10:26:46 <boris> s/of/to

10:27:40 <boris> ...: another use case showing company communication patterns, it has clusters of nodes, clusters are based on where people live

...: another use case showing company communication patterns, it has clusters of nodes, clusters are based on where people live ←

10:28:11 <boris> ...: the connectors over the company offices

...: the connectors over the company offices ←

10:28:24 <boris> ...: concluding: we need more open data

...: concluding: we need more open data ←

10:28:54 <boris> ...: discovering patterns, help to make sense, what is the final purpose of the visualization

...: discovering patterns, help to make sense, what is the final purpose of the visualization ←

10:29:12 <boris> ...: interested in to collaboration to other groups

...: interested in to collaboration to other groups ←

10:29:25 <boris> ...: more contact information

...: more contact information ←

10:29:45 <boris> ...: they have a smart network analyzer tool

...: they have a smart network analyzer tool ←

10:30:07 <boris> ...: now he's showing the tool ... providing a particular visualization

...: now he's showing the tool ... providing a particular visualization ←

10:30:43 <boris> ...: showing bridging/disconnecting graphs from opposite parties

...: showing bridging/disconnecting graphs from opposite parties ←

10:30:53 <boris> John: questions?

John Sheridan: questions? ←

10:31:50 <boris> someone: taking data from website, and apply some conversions .... doing more scrapping help with no modification of the data? ....

Unknown Girts: taking data from website, and apply some conversions .... doing more scrapping help with no modification of the data? .... ←

10:32:08 <PhilA> s/someone/Girts/

10:32:23 <boris> ...: the nice graphs, but they can be used for opposite parties

...: the nice graphs, but they can be used for opposite parties ←

10:32:35 <Jeanne> As a reminder, if you are interested in the W3C eGovernment Interest group, you can see the group at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page  To join go to http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/participation  It's a great place to continue these discussions.

Jeanne Holm: As a reminder, if you are interested in the W3C eGovernment Interest group, you can see the group at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page To join go to http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/participation It's a great place to continue these discussions. ←

10:32:38 <boris> Uldis: scrapping is open source

Unknown Uldis: scrapping is open source ←

10:32:53 <boris> ...:

...: ←

10:33:10 <boris> Daniel: presenting himself

Daniel Bennett: presenting himself ←

10:33:40 <boris> ...: how many of you know w3c?

...: how many of you know w3c? ←

10:33:59 <boris> ...: the same question in other conference, only 3 hands

...: the same question in other conference, only 3 hands ←

10:34:27 <boris> ...: how Russia see the rest of the world, and how us see Russia... in general

...: how Russia see the rest of the world, and how us see Russia... in general ←

10:34:37 <boris> ...: convincing Russian people was hard

...: convincing Russian people was hard ←

10:34:50 <boris> ...: presenting the talk outline

...: presenting the talk outline ←

10:35:13 <boris> ...: the project is funding by the ministry of education

...: the project is funding by the ministry of education ←

10:35:39 <boris> ...: partners Leipzig University, some companies from Russia, etc

...: partners Leipzig University, some companies from Russia, etc ←

10:35:49 <boris> ...: 600 man days - 4 stages

...: 600 man days - 4 stages ←

10:35:56 <boris> ...: no code so far

...: no code so far ←

10:36:14 <boris> ...: they got some ontologies, math ontology, and nano ontology

...: they got some ontologies, math ontology, and nano ontology ←

10:36:45 <boris> ...: they want to build a framework that converts structure data and text into LOD

...: they want to build a framework that converts structure data and text into LOD ←

10:36:55 <boris> ...: also make linkable at the end

...: also make linkable at the end ←

10:37:23 <boris> ...: most of the work is doing manually

...: most of the work is doing manually ←

10:37:58 <boris> ...: research challenges, rdb2rdf, text2rdf (similar to poolparty)

...: research challenges, rdb2rdf, text2rdf (similar to poolparty) ←

10:38:27 <boris> ...: creating Identifiers, and reusing these identifiers

...: creating Identifiers, and reusing these identifiers ←

10:38:39 <boris> ...: they are not using any other triplestore

...: they are not using any other triplestore ←

10:38:53 <boris> ...: Russians are building their own triplestore

...: Russians are building their own triplestore ←

10:38:58 <boris> ...: it will be ready soon

...: it will be ready soon ←

10:39:24 <boris> ...: Leipzig is helping them in some tasks

...: Leipzig is helping them in some tasks ←

10:39:33 <boris> ...: some prototype examples

...: some prototype examples ←

10:39:53 <boris> ...: data are accessible via web services

...: data are accessible via web services ←

10:40:08 <boris> ...: they have to improve the visualizations

...: they have to improve the visualizations ←

10:40:19 <boris> ...: stakeholders have different needs

...: stakeholders have different needs ←

10:40:37 <boris> ...: now showing a simple browser

...: now showing a simple browser ←

10:40:47 <boris> ...: Nano Browsing

...: Nano Browsing ←

10:40:57 <boris> ...: on the left side there's the ontologies

...: on the left side there's the ontologies ←

10:41:15 <boris> ...: the prototype is based on media wiki

...: the prototype is based on media wiki ←

10:41:37 <boris> ...: the second part is for identifying Experts on the Nano field

...: the second part is for identifying Experts on the Nano field ←

10:41:53 <boris> ...: they extract the name of the person ...

...: they extract the name of the person ... ←

10:42:17 <boris> ...: another example: who and where

...: another example: who and where ←

10:42:30 <boris> ...: visualization of the links

...: visualization of the links ←

10:42:40 <boris> ...: among places and people

...: among places and people ←

10:42:44 <boris> ...: also in a map

...: also in a map ←

10:42:50 <boris> ...: another example for decision making

...: another example for decision making ←

10:43:09 <boris> ...: analyzing lod dataset, who writes about something

...: analyzing lod dataset, who writes about something ←

10:43:39 <boris> ...: should I invest into a research project? (example of question)

...: should I invest into a research project? (example of question) ←

10:43:57 <boris> ...: concluding: to attract more Russian people

...: concluding: to attract more Russian people ←

10:44:06 <boris> ...: from OD -> LOD

...: from OD -> LOD ←

10:44:43 <boris> ...: try to stablish work between Russian and UK on the upcoming event next week

...: try to stablish work between Russian and UK on the upcoming event next week ←

10:45:12 <boris> ...: last but not least, try to put an stack all the "know-how"

...: last but not least, try to put an stack all the "know-how" ←

10:45:32 <boris> ...: at the bottom "Ryde the Wave" from the W3C

...: at the bottom "Ryde the Wave" from the W3C ←

10:45:52 <boris> ...: describing the interaction with the government

...: describing the interaction with the government ←

10:46:11 <boris> ...: it will finish by july next year

...: it will finish by july next year ←

10:46:26 <boris> ...: finally, what the economic benefits ?

...: finally, what the economic benefits ? ←

10:47:12 <boris> John: q?

John Sheridan: q? ←

10:47:30 <boris> someone: there is a LOD stack for free from LOD2

Unknown someone: there is a LOD stack for free from LOD2 ←

10:47:37 <boris> ...: you can use it

...: you can use it ←

10:48:00 <boris> Daniel: thanks!, but Russian people want to do it everything themselvs

Daniel Bennett: thanks!, but Russian people want to do it everything themselvs ←

10:48:11 <boris> s/themselvs/themselvs/

10:48:26 <boris> someone: possibility to collaborate with Russian project?

Unknown someone: possibility to collaborate with Russian project? ←

10:48:33 <boris> Daniel: not yet

Daniel Bennett: not yet ←

10:48:44 <boris> John: presenting Yannis

John Sheridan: presenting Yannis ←

10:48:54 <boris> Yannis: introducing himself

Unknown Yannis: introducing himself ←

10:49:11 <boris> ...: talking about LOD2

...: talking about LOD2 ←

10:49:31 <boris> ...: but Engage is a new project, not under FP7, it's supposed to be an infrastructure ....

...: but Engage is a new project, not under FP7, it's supposed to be an infrastructure .... ←

10:49:56 <boris> ...: it's about open data, CKAN, LOD2 platform, but there is difference is that the domain is Science

...: it's about open data, CKAN, LOD2 platform, but there is difference is that the domain is Science ←

10:50:04 <boris> ...: science is different

...: science is different ←

10:50:33 <boris> ...: they are developing the version of the platform by July

...: they are developing the version of the platform by July ←

10:50:48 <boris> ...: they need more metadata, semantics, vocabularies

...: they need more metadata, semantics, vocabularies ←

10:51:13 <boris> ...: for scientists datasets are different ...

...: for scientists datasets are different ... ←

10:51:23 <boris> ...: related to what do we need to prove

...: related to what do we need to prove ←

10:51:42 <boris> ...: some of the partners are microsoft, ibm, ...

...: some of the partners are microsoft, ibm, ... ←

10:52:06 <boris> ...: now they are dealing with experts

...: now they are dealing with experts ←

10:52:30 <boris> ...: they want to make it as open as possible, also the code, technologies

...: they want to make it as open as possible, also the code, technologies ←

10:52:33 <boris> ...: thanks

...: thanks ←

10:53:07 <PhilA> boris: regarding the vocabularies you need - you're not starting from scratch - which ones are you using?

Boris Villazón-Terrazas: regarding the vocabularies you need - you're not starting from scratch - which ones are you using? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

10:54:54 <boris> Yannis: egov vocabs are out there, but in science is different ....  evolving is an issue

Unknown Yannis: egov vocabs are out there, but in science is different .... evolving is an issue ←

10:55:03 <boris> ...: we are still searching more vocabs

...: we are still searching more vocabs ←

10:55:18 <boris> someone: regarding the infrastructure

Unknown someone: regarding the infrastructure ←

10:55:27 <boris> ...: and vocabs is the beginning

...: and vocabs is the beginning ←

10:55:55 <boris> Yannis: yes, there will be a system

Unknown Yannis: yes, there will be a system ←

10:56:37 <boris> ...: engage is an attempt on this unit (eu one) ...

...: engage is an attempt on this unit (eu one) ... ←

10:57:33 <boris> ...: the question is not comparing to others like data.gov.uk, the question is if we can help sciensts

...: the question is not comparing to others like data.gov.uk, the question is if we can help sciensts ←

10:57:56 <boris> someone: not so much of infrastructure, it's about data accesible

Unknown someone: not so much of infrastructure, it's about data accesible ←

10:58:10 <boris> Yannis: the whole thing is there

Unknown Yannis: the whole thing is there ←

10:58:21 <boris> John: please put the links on the chat

John Sheridan: please put the links on the chat ←

10:58:30 <boris> ...: brilliant set of slides

...: brilliant set of slides ←

10:59:28 <boris> John: to Daniel ..... future steps, expand more horizontally ... cover more domains, what are your next steps?

John Sheridan: to Daniel ..... future steps, expand more horizontally ... cover more domains, what are your next steps? ←

11:00:19 <boris> Daniel: several approaches, use W3C as evangelist, Russian 2020, EU it's a bit slow, it takes some time ... Russian has already money for this ....

Daniel Bennett: several approaches, use W3C as evangelist, Russian 2020, EU it's a bit slow, it takes some time ... Russian has already money for this .... ←

11:00:33 <boris> ...: to convert to LOD and not pdf

...: to convert to LOD and not pdf ←

11:00:50 <boris> ...: ministry of financies is the next player

...: ministry of financies is the next player ←

11:01:18 <boris> ...: an initiative in Russian, kind of Sillicon Valley in Russian, smart city 2014

...: an initiative in Russian, kind of Sillicon Valley in Russian, smart city 2014 ←

11:01:31 <boris> someone: To Daniel

Unknown someone: To Daniel ←

11:01:48 <boris> ...: politics about the stuff in Russian, not great reputation in transparency

...: politics about the stuff in Russian, not great reputation in transparency ←

11:02:08 <boris> Daniel: anyone from Russian, yes one

Daniel Bennett: anyone from Russian, yes one ←

11:02:47 <boris> ....: I know what you mean .... probably they misunderstand the five star scheme

....: I know what you mean .... probably they misunderstand the five star scheme ←

11:03:07 <boris> ...: they don't have any problem with that

...: they don't have any problem with that ←

11:03:24 <boris> someone: feeling of LOD as static data

Unknown someone: feeling of LOD as static data ←

11:03:36 <boris> ...: services implies open data feeds

...: services implies open data feeds ←

11:03:47 <boris> ...: it is your aim to provide APIs?

...: it is your aim to provide APIs? ←

11:04:01 <boris> ...: question was for yannis

...: question was for yannis ←

11:04:14 <boris> Yannis: the idea is not to store, provide and give data feeds

Unknown Yannis: the idea is not to store, provide and give data feeds ←

11:04:33 <boris> ...: 2012 is the last year when LOD is static data,

...: 2012 is the last year when LOD is static data, ←

11:04:58 <boris> ...: makes no sense not to have updating mechanisms

...: makes no sense not to have updating mechanisms ←

11:05:30 <boris> ...: explaining the issues of scientific data

...: explaining the issues of scientific data ←

11:05:43 <boris> ...: everything should be online

...: everything should be online ←

11:05:49 <boris> ...: also the linking

...: also the linking ←

11:06:09 <boris> someone: yesterday was pointing out as well, we need big infrastructure

Unknown someone: yesterday was pointing out as well, we need big infrastructure ←

11:06:26 <boris> ...: his company is working on that in Netherlands

...: his company is working on that in Netherlands ←

11:06:36 <boris> ...: also geo layers

...: also geo layers ←

11:06:48 <boris> ...: statistical data

...: statistical data ←

11:07:13 <boris> Yannis: yes, in our Project we have microsoft, ibm, ....

Unknown Yannis: yes, in our Project we have microsoft, ibm, .... ←

11:07:40 <boris> ...: being infrastructure is hard ... the Greek node can give a lot of infrastructure ...

...: being infrastructure is hard ... the Greek node can give a lot of infrastructure ... ←

11:08:09 <boris> John: lunch!

John Sheridan: lunch! ←

11:08:44 <boris> Phil: Welcome Chris Tagger

Phil Archer: Welcome Chris Tagger ←

11:09:52 <boris> John: close session

John Sheridan: close session ←

11:09:53 <boris> rrsagent, draft minutes

rrsagent, draft minutes ←

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12:12:28 <PhilA> Afternoon session

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Phil Archer: Afternoon session ←

12:12:41 <PhilA> Topic: Open Data Business Models

3. Open Data Business Models

12:12:46 <PhilA> scribe:  PhilA

(Scribe set to Phil Archer)

12:13:45 <PhilA> chair for this session is Vassilios Peristeras from the ISA Programme/DG DIGIT

chair for this session is Vassilios Peristeras from the ISA Programme/DG DIGIT ←

12:14:21 <PhilA> Business Models for PSI Re-Use: A Multidimensional Framework, Michele Osella, Istituto Superiore Mario Boella

Business Models for PSI Re-Use: A Multidimensional Framework, Michele Osella, Istituto Superiore Mario Boella ←

12:14:55 <PhilA> paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_16.pdf

paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_16.pdf ←

12:15:08 <PhilA> Michele: introduces himself

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Unknown Michele: introduces himself ←

12:15:28 <PhilA> ... showing results of a survey

... showing results of a survey ←

12:15:53 <PhilA> ... focussing on conceptual model

... focussing on conceptual model ←

12:16:49 <PhilA> ... talks around the slide...

... talks around the slide... ←

12:18:22 <PhilA> Michele: elaborates on prominent gaps in the literature slide

Unknown Michele: elaborates on prominent gaps in the literature slide ←

12:18:40 <PhilA> ... focussed on the economics of downstream from the data

... focussed on the economics of downstream from the data ←

12:18:53 <PhilA> ... shows different perspectives of PSI re-use

... shows different perspectives of PSI re-use ←

12:20:09 <PhilA> ... Research Questions (slide)

... Research Questions (slide) ←

12:21:05 <PhilA> ... PSI isn't a source of competitive advantage... so what is?

... PSI isn't a source of competitive advantage... so what is? ←

12:21:19 <PhilA> ... the Framework 'canvas view'

... the Framework 'canvas view' ←

12:23:00 <PhilA> ... PSI is bundled within services that are offered to customers - so the service is the product that is sold

... PSI is bundled within services that are offered to customers - so the service is the product that is sold ←

12:23:26 <PhilA> ... pyramid view (slide)

... pyramid view (slide) ←

12:23:41 <olyerickson> ...Link: European Public Sector Information Platform <http://epsiplatform.eu/>

John Erickson: ...Link: European Public Sector Information Platform <http://epsiplatform.eu/> ←

12:24:02 <PhilA> Michele: each layer in the triangle depends on the one below's existence

Unknown Michele: each layer in the triangle depends on the one below's existence ←

12:24:49 <PhilA> Michele: then dashboard view (slide)

Unknown Michele: then dashboard view (slide) ←

12:26:20 <PhilA> ... templates adopted for each check box. Uses sophisticated business logic

... templates adopted for each check box. Uses sophisticated business logic ←

12:26:37 <PhilA> ... conclusive remarks (slide)

... conclusive remarks (slide) ←

12:28:24 <PhilA> ... we believe the frameowrk offers a promising stepping stone for research into commercial exploitation of PSI

... we believe the frameowrk offers a promising stepping stone for research into commercial exploitation of PSI ←

12:28:52 <PhilA> ... proposal to use it to analyse the many hundreds of apps created in hackathons for public data

... proposal to use it to analyse the many hundreds of apps created in hackathons for public data ←

12:29:28 <PhilA> ... we plan to use the framework ourselves to evaluate social value of PSI within smart cities

... we plan to use the framework ourselves to evaluate social value of PSI within smart cities ←

12:30:10 <PhilA> ... linked to more material etc.

... linked to more material etc. ←

12:30:52 <PhilA> AndrewL: Do you have examples of the kind of business that can set up using this?

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Unknown AndrewL: Do you have examples of the kind of business that can set up using this? ←

12:31:56 <PhilA> Michele: Shows slide from extended talk

Unknown Michele: Shows slide from extended talk ←

12:32:08 <PhilA> .. identifies 8 archetypal business models

.. identifies 8 archetypal business models ←

12:33:00 <PhilA> ... shows example of an 'open source like' business model (and refers to it as poss applying to Open Corporates)

... shows example of an 'open source like' business model (and refers to it as poss applying to Open Corporates) ←

12:34:06 <PhilA> Topic: Open Corporates, Chris Taggart

4. Open Corporates, Chris Taggart

12:35:33 <olyerickson> ...Another recent OpenCorporates preso by Chris is here <http://slidesha.re/MqxmSi>

John Erickson: ...Another recent OpenCorporates preso by Chris is here <http://slidesha.re/MqxmSi> ←

12:35:39 <PhilA> Chris: Setting up a company is like giving birth - you wonder why you did it but later realise that it was worth it

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Unknown Chris: Setting up a company is like giving birth - you wonder why you did it but later realise that it was worth it ←

12:35:59 <PhilA> ... almost everyone works for a company, buys stuff from them etc.

... almost everyone works for a company, buys stuff from them etc. ←

12:36:09 <olyerickson> ...much of the "corporate world" we live is hidden from us

John Erickson: ...much of the "corporate world" we live is hidden from us ←

12:36:53 <PhilA> ... businesses have changed completely in terms of the way the are set up and operate

... businesses have changed completely in terms of the way the are set up and operate ←

12:37:03 <olyerickson> ...normal people can't see the interconnections of modern corporates

John Erickson: ...normal people can't see the interconnections of modern corporates ←

12:37:03 <olyerickson> ...the corporate world is increasingly complex

John Erickson: ...the corporate world is increasingly complex ←

12:37:15 <PhilA> ... some corporations comrpise thousands of legal entities

... some corporations comrpise thousands of legal entities ←

12:37:32 <olyerickson> ...new complexities, such as instant semi-automatic company generation

John Erickson: ...new complexities, such as instant semi-automatic company generation ←

12:37:59 <PhilA> ... companies can be formed for a specific purpose. They can be set up for a short time. Expect to see them existing for a matter of weeks or even hours in near future

... companies can be formed for a specific purpose. They can be set up for a short time. Expect to see them existing for a matter of weeks or even hours in near future ←

12:38:06 <olyerickson> ...opacity introduced by "secrecy jurisdictions"

John Erickson: ...opacity introduced by "secrecy jurisdictions" ←

12:38:10 <PhilA> ... very complex networks, come circular

... very complex networks, come circular ←

12:38:36 <olyerickson> ...systematic problems we see today are in part due to inability to understand it all

John Erickson: ...systematic problems we see today are in part due to inability to understand it all ←

12:39:25 <olyerickson> ...ref to "World Bank Puppet Masters" report

John Erickson: ...ref to "World Bank Puppet Masters" report ←

12:39:27 <PhilA> ... competitors want to pay less tax, lower wages etc.

... competitors want to pay less tax, lower wages etc. ←

12:39:46 <PhilA> ... world bank report highlights legal entities used to launder money

... world bank report highlights legal entities used to launder money ←

12:40:09 <PhilA> ... companies are artificial

... companies are artificial ←

12:40:43 <olyerickson> ...Link: WB Puppet Masters report <http://bit.ly/MqyOnq>

John Erickson: ...Link: WB Puppet Masters report <http://bit.ly/MqyOnq> ←

12:40:46 <PhilA> ... did a survey and published today for tomorrow's DAA. Could anyone do a search and see if a company existed?

... did a survey and published today for tomorrow's DAA. Could anyone do a search and see if a company existed? ←

12:41:10 <PhilA> ... was there a licence on the data? Can you get hte info as data or through an API for free? Info on directors?

... was there a licence on the data? Can you get hte info as data or through an API for free? Info on directors? ←

12:41:18 <olyerickson> ...report being released today, how open is company data in EU

John Erickson: ...report being released today, how open is company data in EU ←

12:41:18 <JeanneHolm> The Puppetmasters report is very interesting: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/2363

Jeanne Holm: The Puppetmasters report is very interesting: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/handle/10986/2363 ←

12:41:38 <PhilA> ... no one got 100%. UK and Norway did well

... no one got 100%. UK and Norway did well ←

12:42:05 <PhilA> ... in Spain, Austria, Greece, Romania etc. you cannot get any info

... in Spain, Austria, Greece, Romania etc. you cannot get any info ←

12:42:29 <PhilA> ... so this info isn't available to citizens, journalists etc.

... so this info isn't available to citizens, journalists etc. ←

12:42:50 <olyerickson> ...The Real Problem: Have an entry for every single legal entity in the world

John Erickson: ...The Real Problem: Have an entry for every single legal entity in the world ←

12:42:56 <PhilA> ... one problem was we needed to have a list of every legal entity in the world

... one problem was we needed to have a list of every legal entity in the world ←

12:43:16 <PhilA> ... legal entities matter as they are the things that have liability

... legal entities matter as they are the things that have liability ←

12:43:23 <olyerickson> ..."real data, running code..."

John Erickson: ..."real data, running code..." ←

12:43:45 <olyerickson> ...O(43M) companies listed currently

John Erickson: ...O(43M) companies listed currently ←

12:43:46 <PhilA> cf. IETF slogan - rough consensus, running code

cf. IETF slogan - rough consensus, running code ←

12:44:19 <PhilA> Chris Open Corporates data is all available under an open licence. Increasingly cooperating with company registers directly

Chris Open Corporates data is all available under an open licence. Increasingly cooperating with company registers directly ←

12:44:33 <PhilA> ... New Zealand, Norway etc.

... New Zealand, Norway etc. ←

12:44:56 <PhilA> ... working with World Bank, W3C, EC, Financial Stability Board/financial community

... working with World Bank, W3C, EC, Financial Stability Board/financial community ←

12:45:23 <PhilA> ... after 12 months' operation, getting most data by screen scraping data we get invited to FSB etc.

... after 12 months' operation, getting most data by screen scraping data we get invited to FSB etc. ←

12:45:41 <PhilA> ... breathing same air as GS1, ISO etc.

... breathing same air as GS1, ISO etc. ←

12:45:41 <olyerickson> ...has obtained most of their data to-date via scraping, but are being invited to consult with financial boards etc now

John Erickson: ...has obtained most of their data to-date via scraping, but are being invited to consult with financial boards etc now ←

12:45:56 <olyerickson> ...most data has come from the community

John Erickson: ...most data has come from the community ←

12:46:02 <PhilA> ... most of the data came from the open community, e.g. using scraper wiki

... most of the data came from the open community, e.g. using scraper wiki ←

12:46:15 <PhilA> ... getting offers of help from all around the world

... getting offers of help from all around the world ←

12:46:23 <PhilA> ... paid for on projected income

... paid for on projected income ←

12:46:32 <PhilA> ... for entity matching, data cleansing

... for entity matching, data cleansing ←

12:46:55 <olyerickson> ...huge # of requests for API every day

John Erickson: ...huge # of requests for API every day ←

12:47:03 <olyerickson> ...dual license model

John Erickson: ...dual license model ←

12:47:08 <PhilA> ... you can use our API for free but it might be cheaper to pay us to do it

... you can use our API for free but it might be cheaper to pay us to do it ←

12:48:00 <PhilA> ... you can use the data but under share alike. So folk like Dunn & Bradsteet who don't want to share their data aren't going to do this

... you can use the data but under share alike. So folk like Dunn & Bradsteet who don't want to share their data aren't going to do this ←

12:48:11 <olyerickson> ...not *trying* to get customers, but are getting some because share-alike is poison pill to some users

John Erickson: ...not *trying* to get customers, but are getting some because share-alike is poison pill to some users ←

12:48:15 <PhilA> ... some customers that want the data without the share alike

... some customers that want the data without the share alike ←

12:48:38 <PhilA> ... adding more data, enriching everything

... adding more data, enriching everything ←

12:49:16 <PhilA> Antonis: I'm Antonis Ramfos from Intrasoft

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Unknown Antonis: I'm Antonis Ramfos from Intrasoft ←

12:49:27 <PhilA> ... IT company does most of its wor for public sector

... IT company does most of its wor for public sector ←

12:49:29 <olyerickson> Topic: IntraSoft

5. IntraSoft

12:49:46 <PhilA> ... interest for us is the future possibilities

... interest for us is the future possibilities ←

12:50:11 <PhilA> ... we see that public sector opens its data increasingly

... we see that public sector opens its data increasingly ←

12:50:43 <PhilA> ... we have to realign our business model

... we have to realign our business model ←

12:51:01 <PhilA> ... you may have heard of Cordis which we've been running for 10 years. We've done major development on that for the future

... you may have heard of Cordis which we've been running for 10 years. We've done major development on that for the future ←

12:51:25 <PhilA> ... will become a content provider. We have to use the open data to continue to run the service

... will become a content provider. We have to use the open data to continue to run the service ←

12:51:32 <PhilA> ... the future is here

... the future is here ←

12:51:49 <PhilA> ... whole public service provision is changing and we need to think of new business models

... whole public service provision is changing and we need to think of new business models ←

12:52:02 <PhilA> Topic: Jens Steensma

6. Jens Steensma

12:52:40 <PhilA> Jens: I have a short talk yesterday about the Dutch version of FixMyStreet which we found about after we'd begin work on our project.

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Unknown Jens: I have a short talk yesterday about the Dutch version of FixMyStreet which we found about after we'd begin work on our project. ←

12:52:51 <PhilA> ... do we make money? not yet

... do we make money? not yet ←

12:53:05 <PhilA> ... we deliver services to the mobile government workforce

... we deliver services to the mobile government workforce ←

12:53:47 <PhilA> ... how do we make money on bad data?

... how do we make money on bad data? ←

12:54:10 <PhilA> ... a bit like OC. We do open data collection and create data. We can do it better than most government depts

... a bit like OC. We do open data collection and create data. We can do it better than most government depts ←

12:54:21 <PhilA> ... it helps that we know how governments work

... it helps that we know how governments work ←

12:54:29 <PhilA> ... we offer APIS with 2 way communication

... we offer APIS with 2 way communication ←

12:54:41 <PhilA> ... and we can charge annual fee for premium services

... and we can charge annual fee for premium services ←

12:54:50 <PhilA> ... like guarantees on up time etc.

... like guarantees on up time etc. ←

12:55:02 <PhilA> ... 2 new cities signed up today :-)

... 2 new cities signed up today :-) ←

12:55:34 <PhilA> ... Sharon's cartoon this morning was interesting: info $1, info you need $500

... Sharon's cartoon this morning was interesting: info $1, info you need $500 ←

12:56:00 <PhilA> ... we give the cheap data away and charge for the expensive

... we give the cheap data away and charge for the expensive ←

12:57:04 <PhilA> ... costs of making decisions is very high. We can help to reduce that

... costs of making decisions is very high. We can help to reduce that ←

12:57:25 <PhilA> Topic: David Mitton, Listpoint

7. David Mitton, Listpoint

12:58:10 <PhilA> David: 10 years ago, 2 10 year old girls were murdered in the UK. Single reason perpetrator wasn't spotted earlier was lack of interoperable data

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Unknown David: 10 years ago, 2 10 year old girls were murdered in the UK. Single reason perpetrator wasn't spotted earlier was lack of interoperable data ←

12:58:24 <PhilA> PhilA: (Google Soham murders)

Phil Archer: (Google Soham murders) ←

12:58:52 <PhilA> David: Person I works with all data standards rather than making a choice

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Unknown David: Person I works with all data standards rather than making a choice ←

12:59:22 <PhilA> ... Police only allowed to spend money on Policing. So wanted the products to be available to governments and everyone else

... Police only allowed to spend money on Policing. So wanted the products to be available to governments and everyone else ←

12:59:31 <PhilA> ... in terms of business model. very simple

... in terms of business model. very simple ←

12:59:55 <PhilA> ... we work with suppliers at the beginning of a procurement process

... we work with suppliers at the beginning of a procurement process ←

13:00:09 <PhilA> ... lowers the cost because you don't have agree on a standard before you start

... lowers the cost because you don't have agree on a standard before you start ←

13:00:19 <PhilA> ... ongoing data maintenance is easier

... ongoing data maintenance is easier ←

13:00:30 <PhilA> ... work with suppliers to lower the cost of supply

... work with suppliers to lower the cost of supply ←

13:00:47 <olyerickson> ..."Makes money by saving money..."

John Erickson: ..."Makes money by saving money..." ←

13:02:15 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Discussion of Business Models for Public Sector Open Data

7.1. Discussion of Business Models for Public Sector Open Data

13:03:35 <PhilA> Chris: Companies like mine will never be the sort of size that generates the sort of size of those legal entities

Unknown Chris: Companies like mine will never be the sort of size that generates the sort of size of those legal entities ←

13:04:00 <olyerickson> ...ChrisT: Trying to srink the business intelligence market down to 1/100th its size

John Erickson: ...ChrisT: Trying to srink the business intelligence market down to 1/100th its size ←

13:04:19 <olyerickson> ...every person's life is effected by this

John Erickson: ...every person's life is effected by this ←

13:04:45 <PhilA> ... competitive info is a significant barrier to entry for many new businesses

... competitive info is a significant barrier to entry for many new businesses ←

13:04:45 <olyerickson> ...access to competitor information is a barrier to innovation

John Erickson: ...access to competitor information is a barrier to innovation ←

13:05:12 <PhilA> ... the extra money comes from the ability to do things more quickly nad easily

... the extra money comes from the ability to do things more quickly nad easily ←

13:05:50 <olyerickson> Q+

John Erickson: Q+ ←

13:05:50 <PhilA> Vassilios: Many public admins don't like the cost involved and the fact that others generate the profits

Vassilios Peristeras: Many public admins don't like the cost involved and the fact that others generate the profits ←

13:06:43 <olyerickson> Gov't needs to guarantee that govt LOD will be sustained

John Erickson: Gov't needs to guarantee that govt LOD will be sustained ←

13:06:55 <PhilA> Michalis: We keep asking for applications. Governments are part of this. They need to be involved. Which kinds of data are going to be open and maintained in order to stimulate ecomonmic activity

Unknown Michalis: We keep asking for applications. Governments are part of this. They need to be involved. Which kinds of data are going to be open and maintained in order to stimulate ecomonmic activity ←

13:07:25 <PhilA> ... should define minimum level of support

... should define minimum level of support ←

13:07:31 <PhilA> olyerickson: +1 to Micahlis

John Erickson: +1 to Micahlis ←

13:08:20 <JeanneHolm> Very important to be sure that companies can trust that the government data they build a business on will be available, accessible, and in a usable format.  This can be the biggest barrier to true innovation and economic benefits.

Jeanne Holm: Very important to be sure that companies can trust that the government data they build a business on will be available, accessible, and in a usable format. This can be the biggest barrier to true innovation and economic benefits. ←

13:08:20 <PhilA> olyerickson: What role should govs play in fostering the ecosystem. Healthy Human Services has for several years hosted an event that brings together people from gov and private sector to foster an ecosystem

John Erickson: What role should govs play in fostering the ecosystem. Healthy Human Services has for several years hosted an event that brings together people from gov and private sector to foster an ecosystem ←

13:08:57 <PhilA> ... size of the event is huge now. But a numnber of challenges where gov has offered prizes in 10K - 50K for specific challenges for apps based on the data

... size of the event is huge now. But a numnber of challenges where gov has offered prizes in 10K - 50K for specific challenges for apps based on the data ←

13:09:14 <JeanneHolm> Some challenges are up to $1,000,000 for particularly complex issues.

Jeanne Holm: Some challenges are up to $1,000,000 for particularly complex issues. ←

13:09:26 <JeanneHolm> See more at http://www.challenge.gov

Jeanne Holm: See more at http://www.challenge.gov ←

13:09:53 <PhilA> olyerickson: So my question is - is the EU doing anything similar - giving prizes etc.

John Erickson: So my question is - is the EU doing anything similar - giving prizes etc. ←

13:10:13 <PhilA> Vassilios: I don't think there's an EU answer, but there might be from member states

Vassilios Peristeras: I don't think there's an EU answer, but there might be from member states ←

13:10:20 <PhilA> ... building a community catalogue

... building a community catalogue ←

13:10:58 <olyerickson> PhilA: Thanks for making sense of my utterances ;)

Phil Archer: Thanks for making sense of my utterances ;) [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ] ←

13:11:17 <PhilA> scribe: cgueret

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13:11:19 <olyerickson> Topic: Lightning Talks on Open Data Ecosystem

8. Lightning Talks on Open Data Ecosystem

13:11:55 <cgueret> Rethinking Kelly and Etling's Map of the Iranian Blogosphere Gwyneth Sutherlin, University of Bradford

Rethinking Kelly and Etling's Map of the Iranian Blogosphere Gwyneth Sutherlin, University of Bradford ←

13:12:20 <cgueret> ICT for conflict resolution

ICT for conflict resolution ←

13:12:56 <cgueret> ... people seems to start with false assumption that data is diffused as neutral thing, without context

... people seems to start with false assumption that data is diffused as neutral thing, without context ←

13:13:13 <cgueret> ... limitations of open data for IR policy?

... limitations of open data for IR policy? ←

13:13:22 <JeanneHolm> See Gwyneth's paper at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_31.pdf

Jeanne Holm: See Gwyneth's paper at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_31.pdf ←

13:13:36 <cgueret> how can culture be incorporated?

how can culture be incorporated? ←

13:14:10 <cgueret> ... physics model of iranian blogosphere

... physics model of iranian blogosphere ←

13:14:22 <cgueret> ... show clusters in the network

... show clusters in the network ←

13:14:39 <cgueret> ... poetry / mixed / secular / twelver / ...

... poetry / mixed / secular / twelver / ... ←

13:14:47 <cgueret> ... => not useful for policy makers

... => not useful for policy makers ←

13:14:59 <cgueret> ... what is lost?

... what is lost? ←

13:15:24 <cgueret> ... social media are always used in the same way

... social media are always used in the same way ←

13:15:50 <cgueret> ... online behaviour are supposed to give insight on culture

... online behaviour are supposed to give insight on culture ←

13:16:08 <cgueret> ... need to determine what makes this online space unique

... need to determine what makes this online space unique ←

13:16:51 <CaptSolo> slides of the "Exploring the Networks in Open Public Data" talk: http://www.slideshare.net/CaptSolo/exploring-the-networks-in-open-public-data-13391338

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Unknown CaptSolo: slides of the "Exploring the Networks in Open Public Data" talk: http://www.slideshare.net/CaptSolo/exploring-the-networks-in-open-public-data-13391338 ←

13:16:53 <cgueret> ... in Iran, need to take in account the source of the information people put online (added layer)

... in Iran, need to take in account the source of the information people put online (added layer) ←

13:17:07 <cgueret> ... need to do a semantic filter first, prior to any visualisation

... need to do a semantic filter first, prior to any visualisation ←

13:17:29 <cgueret> ... enable to distinguish in the information comes, from example, from a diaspora or from elsewhere

... enable to distinguish in the information comes, from example, from a diaspora or from elsewhere ←

13:18:02 <cgueret> ... strategies around surroinding online personas

... strategies around surroinding online personas ←

13:18:36 <cgueret> ... maybe a way to explain poetry: use it to do metaphoras and escape persecusion off-line

... maybe a way to explain poetry: use it to do metaphoras and escape persecusion off-line ←

13:20:51 <cgueret> Q: english tweeter user use a lot of sentiments to say things without saying them

Unknown Q: english tweeter user use a lot of sentiments to say things without saying them ←

13:21:08 <cgueret> A: research has been done on offline content, need to extend it to online content now

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Unknown A: research has been done on offline content, need to extend it to online content now ←

13:21:31 <cgueret> The Open Data Workflow: Towards an Open Data Middleware Stefan Scheglmann, Institute for Web Science and Technologies (WeST), University of Koblenz-Landau

The Open Data Workflow: Towards an Open Data Middleware Stefan Scheglmann, Institute for Web Science and Technologies (WeST), University of Koblenz-Landau ←

13:22:18 <cgueret> WeST associated to gesis (like franhauferh)

WeST associated to gesis (like franhauferh) ←

13:22:45 <cgueret> developed LISA (local information search and aggregation) for first open data contest in Germany

developed LISA (local information search and aggregation) for first open data contest in Germany ←

13:23:04 <cgueret> ... showing data about Munich

... showing data about Munich ←

13:23:20 <cgueret> ... heatmap visualisation of neighbourhood

... heatmap visualisation of neighbourhood ←

13:23:37 <cgueret> ... use point of interests extracted from OSM and other data sets

... use point of interests extracted from OSM and other data sets ←

13:23:57 <cgueret> ... took a week for two persons to realise

... took a week for two persons to realise ←

13:24:31 <olyerickson> ...LISA Munich Edition <http://lisa.west.uni-koblenz.de/lisa-demo/>

John Erickson: ...LISA Munich Edition <http://lisa.west.uni-koblenz.de/lisa-demo/> ←

13:24:34 <cgueret> ... won the first prize

... won the first prize ←

13:24:47 <JeanneHolm> http://lisa.west.uni-koblenz.de/?lang=en for general information about LISA

Jeanne Holm: http://lisa.west.uni-koblenz.de/?lang=en for general information about LISA ←

13:24:58 <cgueret> ... got attraction from business that want to generate sponsor based revenues

... got attraction from business that want to generate sponsor based revenues ←

13:26:00 <cgueret> ... want open data workflow

... want open data workflow ←

13:26:17 <cgueret> ... explore / choose / import / normalize / present

... explore / choose / import / normalize / present ←

13:27:17 <cgueret> ... use things like Yahoo Pipe

... use things like Yahoo Pipe ←

13:27:30 <cgueret> ... this and other services can ensure some parts of the chain

... this and other services can ensure some parts of the chain ←

13:28:00 <cgueret> ... there is a need to define a middleware based on different services

... there is a need to define a middleware based on different services ←

13:28:14 <cgueret> ... will be used by policy makers and citizen

... will be used by policy makers and citizen ←

13:28:24 <cgueret> ... facilitate data consumption

... facilitate data consumption ←

13:28:34 <cgueret> ... Open doesn't imply accessible

... Open doesn't imply accessible ←

13:28:53 <cgueret> ... people that are targeted are not always able to use the data they receive

... people that are targeted are not always able to use the data they receive ←

13:29:13 <cgueret> ... such a middleware will fix that and allows new services to be easily plugged in

... such a middleware will fix that and allows new services to be easily plugged in ←

13:29:29 <cgueret> ... there are different LISA for different cities

... there are different LISA for different cities ←

13:29:51 <cgueret> Q: wrt middelware, is this just ideas or do you have something already?

Unknown Q: wrt middelware, is this just ideas or do you have something already? ←

13:30:14 <cgueret> A: partially done for LISA, now thinking of making this more robust and figure out more building blocks

Unknown A: partially done for LISA, now thinking of making this more robust and figure out more building blocks ←

13:30:40 <cgueret> ... currently more of a strategic discussion

... currently more of a strategic discussion ←

13:31:21 <cgueret> Q: open news project could use that kind of middleware

Unknown Q: open news project could use that kind of middleware ←

13:31:38 <cgueret> A: that's exactly the goal, bring non technician to use open data

Unknown A: that's exactly the goal, bring non technician to use open data ←

13:33:12 <cgueret> A means to embrace and map together data standards David Mitton, Listpoint

A means to embrace and map together data standards David Mitton, Listpoint ←

13:34:22 <cgueret> code list management service

code list management service ←

13:34:34 <cgueret> ... IATI standard

... IATI standard ←

13:34:43 <cgueret> ... make aid spending easier to access

... make aid spending easier to access ←

13:35:12 <cgueret> ... want to re-use existing information and no re-create code lists

... want to re-use existing information and no re-create code lists ←

13:35:38 <cgueret> ... challenges: mapping / delegation / versioning / changes

... challenges: mapping / delegation / versioning / changes ←

13:36:22 <cgueret> ... need to be able to access and rely on country codes (cf ISO)

... need to be able to access and rely on country codes (cf ISO) ←

13:36:48 <cgueret> ... need to be able to inform data consumers when the data is updated

... need to be able to inform data consumers when the data is updated ←

13:36:58 <cgueret> see http://www.aidtransparency.net/

see http://www.aidtransparency.net/ ←

13:37:11 <cgueret> and http://iatiexplorer.org/index.php

and http://iatiexplorer.org/index.php ←

13:38:06 <cgueret> ... did mapping for IATI sector codes

... did mapping for IATI sector codes ←

13:38:35 <cgueret> ... people create new standards every single day

... people create new standards every single day ←

13:38:43 <cgueret> ... mappings had to be done manually

... mappings had to be done manually ←

13:38:47 <cgueret> ...

... ←

13:38:59 <cgueret> ... found errors in conding conventions too

... found errors in coding conventions too ←

13:39:07 <cgueret> s/conding/coding

13:39:24 <cgueret> ... www.listpoint.co.uk

... www.listpoint.co.uk ←

13:39:49 <cgueret> ... created new code lists there

... created new code lists there ←

13:40:12 <cgueret> ... community need to have faith in the data they are looking at

... community need to have faith in the data they are looking at ←

13:40:21 <cgueret> ... developers can extract the mapping layer in XML

... developers can extract the mapping layer in XML ←

13:40:52 <cgueret> ... whenever there is a change in code, all the consumers of the data are alerted

... whenever there is a change in code, all the consumers of the data are alerted ←

13:41:04 <cgueret> ... it's an open platform

... it's an open platform ←

13:41:14 <cgueret> ... 4000 code lists so far

... 4000 code lists so far ←

13:42:13 <cgueret> Additional  flash lightning by Uldis Bojārs

Additional flash lightning by Uldis Bojārs ←

13:42:17 <cgueret> Europeana

Europeana ←

13:42:33 <cgueret> (shows europeana.eu site)

(shows europeana.eu site) ←

13:43:00 <cgueret> there was Hack4Europe event

there was Hack4Europe event ←

13:43:20 <cgueret> ... created europe.in to explore europeana content

... created europe.in to explore europeana content ←

13:43:56 <cgueret> (shows example with looking for "Da Vinci")

(shows example with looking for "Da Vinci") ←

13:44:34 <cgueret> ... list of items related to Da Vinci, can click for more informations

... list of items related to Da Vinci, can click for more informations ←

13:46:20 <olyerickson> Topic: Coffee

9. Coffee

13:47:03 <olyerickson> Topic: Report from the SEMIC Interoperability Conference

10. Report from the SEMIC Interoperability Conference

13:48:15 <CaptSolo> links from the Europeana visual expl #pmod lightning talk: http://europ.in/about - http://europ.in/search?q=da%20Vinci http://blog.europeana.eu/2012/06/hack4europe-2012-preview-of-prototypes/ + europeana page

Unknown CaptSolo: links from the Europeana visual expl #pmod lightning talk: http://europ.in/about - http://europ.in/search?q=da%20Vinci http://blog.europeana.eu/2012/06/hack4europe-2012-preview-of-prototypes/ + europeana page ←

13:48:50 <CaptSolo> individual image "pages": http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/02302/0457E5166CB382AB844BCAB45A7A84AB3FF648D4.html

Unknown CaptSolo: individual image "pages": http://www.europeana.eu/portal/record/02302/0457E5166CB382AB844BCAB45A7A84AB3FF648D4.html ←

13:49:25 <CaptSolo>  - some html5 history magic involved to dynamically generate item pages

Unknown CaptSolo: - some html5 history magic involved to dynamically generate item pages ←

13:49:32 <CaptSolo>  - feedback welcome

Unknown CaptSolo: - feedback welcome ←

13:49:43 <CaptSolo>  - and let us know of interesting search keywords you find

Unknown CaptSolo: - and let us know of interesting search keywords you find ←

14:06:50 <PhilA> Topic: Report on Semic conference

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11. Report on Semic conference

14:07:05 <PhilA> stijn: I'm Stijn Goodertier from PwC

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Unknown stijn: I'm Stijn Goodertier from PwC [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:07:52 <PhilA> stijn: Keynotes from Antony Huang from NIEM and Jeanne Holm

Unknown stijn: Keynotes from Antony Huang from NIEM and Jeanne Holm [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:08:13 <PhilA> stijn: talks on need for code lisst being open and open data middleware

Unknown stijn: talks on need for code lisst being open and open data middleware [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:08:19 <PhilA> ... need to make data open and accessibkle

Phil Archer: ... need to make data open and accessibkle ←

14:08:54 <PhilA> ... invitation to join initiatives on Joinup and the ISA Programme

Phil Archer: ... invitation to join initiatives on Joinup and the ISA Programme ←

14:09:25 <PhilA> ... we can talk more about it in the networking event afterwards

Phil Archer: ... we can talk more about it in the networking event afterwards ←

14:09:54 <PhilA> Topic: Session on Tools

12. Session on Tools

14:10:17 <PhilA> Session chaired by  Luigi Reggi

Phil Archer: Session chaired by Luigi Reggi ←

14:10:31 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Dynamic Faceted Browser for Data Cube

12.1. Dynamic Faceted Browser for Data Cube

14:10:39 <PhilA> scribe: olyerickson

(Scribe set to John Erickson)

14:11:20 <olyerickson> ..Speaker: Nikolaos Loutas (DERI)

..Speaker: Nikolaos Loutas (DERI) ←

14:12:07 <olyerickson> ...statistics data important

...statistics data important ←

14:12:33 <olyerickson> ...most previously published as excel(csv) but increasingly RDF

...most previously published as excel(csv) but increasingly RDF ←

14:12:53 <olyerickson> ...When pub'd in RDF, usually Data Cube Vocabulary

...When pub'd in RDF, usually Data Cube Vocabulary ←

14:13:07 <olyerickson> ...concepts and attributes for describing data

...concepts and attributes for describing data ←

14:13:26 <olyerickson> ...measure, attributes of data, dimension

...measure, attributes of data, dimension ←

14:13:34 <olyerickson> ..W3C recommendation

..W3C recommendation ←

14:13:49 <olyerickson> ...Example: Ireland data in Data Cube

...Example: Ireland data in Data Cube ←

14:14:26 <olyerickson> ...average policy maker can't write SPARQL query ;)

...average policy maker can't write SPARQL query ;) ←

14:14:57 <olyerickson> ...to help: faceted browser over DataCube data

...to help: faceted browser over DataCube data ←

14:15:09 <olyerickson> ...Working on the UI

...Working on the UI ←

14:15:27 <olyerickson> ...Figure: Overview of DataCube Viewer Architecture

...Figure: Overview of DataCube Viewer Architecture ←

14:16:01 <olyerickson> ...powered by sparql endpoint (rather than federated query)

...powered by sparql endpoint (rather than federated query) ←

14:16:49 <olyerickson> ...features: no pre-processing, works against any RDF but must be DataCube vocab, pulls extra info via URIs, data can be exported

...features: no pre-processing, works against any RDF but must be DataCube vocab, pulls extra info via URIs, data can be exported ←

14:17:21 <olyerickson> ...contact the authors: Fadi, Gofran or Nikos...

...contact the authors: Fadi, Gofran or Nikos... ←

14:17:29 <CaptSolo> https://github.com/fadmaa/RDF-faceted-browser

Unknown CaptSolo: https://github.com/fadmaa/RDF-faceted-browser ←

14:17:29 <olyerickson> ...<live demo>

...<live demo> ←

14:21:39 <olyerickson> ..Q: Statistical data is multi-dimensional...there is prior art to working with this...could this be supported?

..Q: Statistical data is multi-dimensional...there is prior art to working with this...could this be supported? ←

14:23:04 <olyerickson> ...Q: What about MathML? Have they thought about this

...Q: What about MathML? Have they thought about this ←

14:23:08 <olyerickson> ...A: No...why/

...A: No...why/ ←

14:26:10 <olyerickson> ...Q; Several nerdish questions about scalability, portability to other vocabs, etc

...Q; Several nerdish questions about scalability, portability to other vocabs, etc ←

14:26:52 <olyerickson> subtopic: Faceted Browser for Geospatial Datasets

12.2. Faceted Browser for Geospatial Datasets

14:27:16 <olyerickson> ...speaker: Boris Villazon-Terrazas

...speaker: Boris Villazon-Terrazas ←

14:27:48 <olyerickson> ...We have the data, now need to deliver relevant applications "for my mother, brother, etc"

...We have the data, now need to deliver relevant applications "for my mother, brother, etc" ←

14:27:58 <olyerickson> ...NLP, rich client, etc

...NLP, rich client, etc ←

14:28:20 <olyerickson> ...Within LOC Cloud, significant portion with geospatial data

...Within LOC Cloud, significant portion with geospatial data ←

14:29:04 <olyerickson> ...Developed a tool for exploring/visualizing RDf datasets enhanced with geospatial info

...Developed a tool for exploring/visualizing RDf datasets enhanced with geospatial info ←

14:29:11 <olyerickson> ...<arch diagram>

...<arch diagram> ←

14:29:26 <olyerickson> ...What do we mean by geospatial resource

...What do we mean by geospatial resource ←

14:29:46 <olyerickson> ...use dpbedia geo:lat geo:long model

...use dpbedia geo:lat geo:long model ←

14:30:05 <olyerickson> ...but also, geoLinkedData, NeoGeo models

...but also, geoLinkedData, NeoGeo models ←

14:30:54 <olyerickson> ...Model complicated models possible...eg rivers (lineString) etc

...Model complicated models possible...eg rivers (lineString) etc ←

14:31:28 <olyerickson> ...Recall yesterday, many apps based on Google Maps; they do too ;)

...Recall yesterday, many apps based on Google Maps; they do too ;) ←

14:31:57 <olyerickson> ...<screen shot> Facets on upper left, overlay options lower left

...<screen shot> Facets on upper left, overlay options lower left ←

14:32:21 <olyerickson> ...OpenStreetMaps implemented now too; dynamic switching between the tw

...OpenStreetMaps implemented now too; dynamic switching between the tw ←

14:32:30 <olyerickson> ...OpenLayers API supported

...OpenLayers API supported ←

14:32:51 <olyerickson> ...Catalogue Service Web

...Catalogue Service Web ←

14:33:35 <olyerickson> ...Any other Inspire-based services are supported

...Any other Inspire-based services are supported ←

14:34:09 <olyerickson> ...Complex geometries: example, lake equivalents

...Complex geometries: example, lake equivalents ←

14:34:41 <olyerickson> ...allowing user input of corrections ("editions")

...allowing user input of corrections ("editions") ←

14:35:21 <olyerickson> ...(user clicks on "edition" link, inputs changes, editors can review)

...(user clicks on "edition" link, inputs changes, editors can review) ←

14:35:39 <olyerickson> ...uses GeoLinkedData

...uses GeoLinkedData ←

14:36:05 <olyerickson> ...Partner with GIN (Geo Inst of spain)

...Partner with GIN (Geo Inst of spain) ←

14:36:10 <CaptSolo> http://geo.linkeddata.es

Unknown CaptSolo: http://geo.linkeddata.es ←

14:37:03 <olyerickson> ...Possible to integrate statistical data from Statistical Office of Spain

...Possible to integrate statistical data from Statistical Office of Spain ←

14:38:09 <PhilA> RDF data cube is on the standards track, not there yet though (but it will be)

Phil Archer: RDF data cube is on the standards track, not there yet though (but it will be) ←

14:38:55 <olyerickson> ...Meteorological Data via AEMET

...Meteorological Data via AEMET ←

14:39:06 <olyerickson> ...example: weather stations

...example: weather stations ←

14:39:34 <olyerickson> ...click on weather station, see the weather data...

...click on weather station, see the weather data... ←

14:39:50 <olyerickson> ...see a graph of the data

...see a graph of the data ←

14:40:25 <olyerickson> ...modeling sta in sensor network vocab

...modeling sta in sensor network vocab ←

14:40:42 <olyerickson> <clapping>

<clapping> ←

14:41:30 <olyerickson> Subtopic: Research Challenge on Visualization (Francesco Mureddu)

12.3. Research Challenge on Visualization (Francesco Mureddu)

14:44:23 <olyerickson> ...visual analytics for policy-making

...visual analytics for policy-making ←

14:44:36 <olyerickson> ..."challenges in governance"

..."challenges in governance" ←

14:45:00 <olyerickson> ...dig into data to extrapolate patterns and models for more evidence-based policy debate

...dig into data to extrapolate patterns and models for more evidence-based policy debate ←

14:45:12 <olyerickson> ...need people to be more engaged in policy making

...need people to be more engaged in policy making ←

14:45:35 <olyerickson> ...take on complex, unpredictable patterns and make sensible

...take on complex, unpredictable patterns and make sensible ←

14:46:06 <olyerickson> ...Possible solutions: economics, health data, demographics, legal arguments

...Possible solutions: economics, health data, demographics, legal arguments ←

14:47:13 <olyerickson> ...also: discussion arguments, geovisualization, security and national defense

...also: discussion arguments, geovisualization, security and national defense ←

14:47:44 <olyerickson> ...corporate and military angles

...corporate and military angles ←

14:48:06 <olyerickson> ..."Inspiring Cases"

..."Inspiring Cases" ←

14:48:09 <olyerickson> ...GapMinder

...GapMinder ←

14:48:23 <olyerickson> ...US Labor Force Visualization

...US Labor Force Visualization ←

14:48:29 <olyerickson> ...State Cancer Profiles

...State Cancer Profiles ←

14:48:39 <olyerickson> ...Instant Atlas

...Instant Atlas ←

14:49:28 <olyerickson> ...Link: stata cancer Profiles <http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/>

...Link: stata cancer Profiles <http://statecancerprofiles.cancer.gov/> ←

14:50:20 <olyerickson> ...Link: Labor Force Visualizer <http://flare.prefuse.org/launch/apps/job_voyager>

...Link: Labor Force Visualizer <http://flare.prefuse.org/launch/apps/job_voyager> ←

14:50:55 <olyerickson> ...Link: GapMinder <http://www.gapminder.org/>

...Link: GapMinder <http://www.gapminder.org/> ←

14:52:14 <olyerickson> Link: InstantAtlas <http://www.instantatlas.com/>

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14:52:25 <olyerickson> ..."Corwall is quite boring..."

..."Cornwall is quite boring..." ←

14:52:36 <olyerickson> s/Corwall/Cornwall/

14:52:39 <PhilA> Sorry but I have to say, Cornwall is not boring. It's beautiful and a favourite place for holidays!#

Phil Archer: Sorry but I have to say, Cornwall is not boring. It's beautiful and a favourite place for holidays!# ←

14:53:01 <olyerickson> Zakim, mute PhilA ;)

Zakim, mute PhilA ;) ←

14:53:11 <olyerickson> ...Key Challenges:

...Key Challenges: ←

14:53:26 <olyerickson> ...User acceptability: still not intuitive

...User acceptability: still not intuitive ←

14:53:40 <olyerickson> ...dataviz still largely demand-driven

...dataviz still largely demand-driven ←

14:54:00 <olyerickson> ...better integration between tools/packages

...better integration between tools/packages ←

14:54:19 <PhilA> rrsagent, draft minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, draft minutes ←

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14:54:29 <olyerickson> ...Comments about GoogleViz

...Comments about GoogleViz ←

14:55:19 <olyerickson> ...see also GeoDaCenter --- special prohject to enhance criminal justice

...see also GeoDaCenter --- special prohject to enhance criminal justice ←

14:56:24 <PhilA> olyerickson: The idea of data-enhanced policy making is incredibly optimistic

John Erickson: The idea of data-enhanced policy making is incredibly optimistic [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:57:01 <PhilA> ... as a US alien... is there a trend within the EU for data-enhanced policy making?

Phil Archer: ... as a US alien... is there a trend within the EU for data-enhanced policy making? ←

14:57:14 <PhilA> Francesco: We'd liek to create the trend by the Crossover project

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Unknown Francesco: We'd liek to create the trend by the Crossover project [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:58:03 <PhilA> DavidO: One of the flagship initiatives of the EC - Future ICT - is a kind of real world data simulator applying particularly to policy making. Simulation, aggregation etc. Big research project on this issue

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Unknown DavidO: One of the flagship initiatives of the EC - Future ICT - is a kind of real world data simulator applying particularly to policy making. Simulation, aggregation etc. Big research project on this issue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:58:19 <PhilA> Gianluca: Crossover is just one project funded by the EC

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Unknown Gianluca: Crossover is just one project funded by the EC [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:58:36 <PhilA> ... this is a support action to build a community and define a roadmap. There are bigger projects

Phil Archer: ... this is a support action to build a community and define a roadmap. There are bigger projects ←

14:58:50 <PhilA> ... based on this assumption that evidence-based policy making is possible

Phil Archer: ... based on this assumption that evidence-based policy making is possible ←

14:59:03 <PhilA> ... a new call for proposals is coming soon

Phil Archer: ... a new call for proposals is coming soon ←

14:59:28 <PhilA> ... we're awaiting the results of some project to see if there is a trend

Phil Archer: ... we're awaiting the results of some project to see if there is a trend ←

15:00:18 <PhilA> Topic: Summary from David Osimo

13. Summary from David Osimo

15:00:42 <PhilA> DavidO: We had a fear that participants that wouldn't understand what we meant by OD for Policy Modelling

Unknown DavidO: We had a fear that participants that wouldn't understand what we meant by OD for Policy Modelling [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:00:48 <PhilA> ... obviously unfounded

Phil Archer: ... obviously unfounded ←

15:01:32 <PhilA> ... we have seen a number of key tools being discussed, these are the ones being used in policy making

Phil Archer: ... we have seen a number of key tools being discussed, these are the ones being used in policy making ←

15:01:36 <PhilA> ... so it's happening

Phil Archer: ... so it's happening ←

15:01:54 <PhilA> ... we had an extremely useful practitioners' panel yesterday

Phil Archer: ... we had an extremely useful practitioners' panel yesterday ←

15:02:03 <PhilA> ... also very important for us is the global nature of the community

Phil Archer: ... also very important for us is the global nature of the community ←

15:02:33 <PhilA> ... in terms of the roadmap we have had a lot fo contributions focussed on the challenges that OD needs to address to improve policies

Phil Archer: ... in terms of the roadmap we have had a lot fo contributions focussed on the challenges that OD needs to address to improve policies ←

15:02:51 <PhilA> ... some challenges lie in accessibility nad usability. Similar to digital divide debate

Phil Archer: ... some challenges lie in accessibility nad usability. Similar to digital divide debate ←

15:03:05 <PhilA> ... not just hardware but skills/media literacy too

Phil Archer: ... not just hardware but skills/media literacy too ←

15:03:37 <PhilA> ... these are some of the key issues we have got from this. We'll work on this through the commentable document on the crossover site

Phil Archer: ... these are some of the key issues we have got from this. We'll work on this through the commentable document on the crossover site ←

15:03:53 <PhilA> ... do you agree with the research challenges - and do you work on this

Phil Archer: ... do you agree with the research challenges - and do you work on this ←

15:04:08 <PhilA> .. The unstructured part is the LinkedIn group for discussion of issues

Phil Archer: .. The unstructured part is the LinkedIn group for discussion of issues ←

15:04:31 <PhilA> ... also we have a collaborative bookmarking method on diigo.com

Phil Archer: ... also we have a collaborative bookmarking method on diigo.com ←

15:05:01 <olyerickson> Topic: PhilA Summary

14. PhilA Summary

15:05:11 <olyerickson> ... Humbled by level on contribution

... Humbled by level on contribution ←

15:05:25 <olyerickson> ... special thanks to scribes

... special thanks to scribes ←

15:05:52 <olyerickson> ...notes available online soon

...notes available online soon ←

15:06:00 <olyerickson> ...get your slides to PhilA!

...get your slides to PhilA! ←

15:06:08 <olyerickson> ...Learned much

...Learned much ←

15:06:29 <olyerickson> ...jeanneHolm has gotten many ideas to pick up in W3C eGov IG

...jeanneHolm has gotten many ideas to pick up in W3C eGov IG ←

15:06:38 <olyerickson> ...Note also W3C GLD WG

...Note also W3C GLD WG ←

15:06:54 <olyerickson> ...Finishing early (remarkable)

...Finishing early (remarkable) ←

15:07:10 <olyerickson> ...Heading over to Sofitel shortly

...Heading over to Sofitel shortly ←

15:07:40 <olyerickson> ...the way to get attention of policy makers is free alcohol

...the way to get attention of policy makers is free alcohol ←

15:07:51 <olyerickson> ...bar opens at 6p (53 mins)

...bar opens at 6p (53 mins) ←

15:07:52 <CaptSolo> thanks for a great event!

Unknown CaptSolo: thanks for a great event! ←

15:08:20 <Girts> excellent, ty!

Unknown Girts: excellent, ty! ←

15:08:35 <olyerickson> Follow-up link: FuturICT Project http://futurict.eu

Follow-up link: FuturICT Project http://futurict.eu ←

15:08:40 <CaptSolo> great work scribing, olyerickson and everyone else!

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