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eGovernment Interest Group

Minutes of 19 June 2012

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Daniel Bennett, Deirdre Lee, Jeanne Holm, John Erickson, José Alonso, Phil Archer, Unknown AlbertoCottica, Unknown CaptSolo, Unknown Dirdigeng, Unknown Girts, Unknown Julianlstar, Unknown MartinKaltenboeck, Unknown TimDavies, Unknown cgueret, Unknown katleen_, Unknown olivier, Vagner Diniz

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Unknown cgueret

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Resolutions

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Topics

Open Data and the Media
Lightning Talks (Jeanne Holm)
Full Break, return at 3:50p
Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling (panel)
Panel Session: Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling Chair: Gianluca Misuraca, JRC-IPTS/EC

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07:24:25 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-egov-irc

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07:25:00 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public

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07:25:30 <AlbertoCottica> Context: Crossover is a project that is trying to come up with research directions for modeling policy in the connected age. Today we try to think around this issue in the context of Open Data.

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Unknown Context: Crossover is a project that is trying to come up with research directions for modeling policy in the connected age. Today we try to think around this issue in the context of Open Data. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AlbertoCottica ] ←

07:26:07 <PhilA2> DavidO: Highlights Crossover project web site

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Unknown DavidO: Highlights Crossover project web site [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:27:43 <josema> wow, it's been a long while since I've seen this channel so crowded

José Alonso: wow, it's been a long while since I've seen this channel so crowded ←

07:28:26 <cgueret> hi there!

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Unknown cgueret: hi there! ←

07:29:18 <AlbertoCottica> Hello Josema :-)

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Hello Josema :-) ←

07:30:11 <PhilA2> Session 1 starts on time :-)

Phil Archer: Session 1 starts on time :-) ←

07:30:26 <PhilA2> Nikos Loutas starts things off. Slides to follow

Phil Archer: Nikos Loutas starts things off. Slides to follow ←

07:31:27 <PhilA2> Nikos: Lots of discucssion about the data, but who knows it's there?

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Unknown Nikos: Lots of discucssion about the data, but who knows it's there? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:31:59 <PhilA2> ... Assumption it means things on a Google map

Phil Archer: ... Assumption it means things on a Google map ←

07:34:11 <PhilA2> Slides are informative for recording substance of Nikos' talk

Phil Archer: Slides are informative for recording substance of Nikos' talk ←

07:35:07 <AlbertoCottica> Interesting: "Singapore has become a new player in the OD space"

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Unknown Interesting: "Singapore has become a new player in the OD space" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown AlbertoCottica ] ←

07:35:59 <Dirdigeng> B

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Unknown Dirdigeng: B ←

07:36:06 <AlbertoCottica> Most OD apps developed by INDIVIDUALS, not organizations: freelancers and reseachers. Business is unconvinced.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Most OD apps developed by INDIVIDUALS, not organizations: freelancers and reseachers. Business is unconvinced. ←

07:36:19 <cgueret> Interesting/worrying to see business not developing apps using Open Data

Unknown cgueret: Interesting/worrying to see business not developing apps using Open Data ←

07:36:21 <PhilA2> Nikos: Researches and individuals interested. Big business not so interested yet - why?

Unknown Nikos: Researches and individuals interested. Big business not so interested yet - why? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:36:32 <Dirdigeng> Over 90% of apps are free

Unknown Dirdigeng: Over 90% of apps are free ←

07:36:34 <PhilA2> ... most apps are free

Phil Archer: ... most apps are free ←

07:36:54 <PhilA2> ... so business model for those that do charge is interesting

Phil Archer: ... so business model for those that do charge is interesting ←

07:36:57 <Julianlstar> Businesses are interested but open data is just data to them

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Unknown Julianlstar: Businesses are interested but open data is just data to them ←

07:37:12 <Dirdigeng> However some app devs (eg Malcolm Barclay) have fer

Unknown Dirdigeng: However some app devs (eg Malcolm Barclay) have fer ←

07:37:17 <Dirdigeng> Freemium models

Unknown Dirdigeng: Freemium models ←

07:37:20 <PhilA2> Nikos: Most apps are Web based, some platfrom-specific

Unknown Nikos: Most apps are Web based, some platfrom-specific [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:37:42 <MartinKaltenboeck> Regarding Business: the needed data is not there as well as the SLAs etc to attract e.g. enterprises - out of my opinion...

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Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Regarding Business: the needed data is not there as well as the SLAs etc to attract e.g. enterprises - out of my opinion... ←

07:37:44 <AlbertoCottica> Individuals, not organizations; free apps. You are looking at labor of love. Conclusion (as usual): better not to oversell the job creation potential of OD.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Individuals, not organizations; free apps. You are looking at labor of love. Conclusion (as usual): better not to oversell the job creation potential of OD. ←

07:37:46 <cgueret> 90% of apps put things on a map

Unknown cgueret: 90% of apps put things on a map ←

07:37:59 <Julianlstar> We are starting to see a layer of infomediaries Placr, Geowise, Talis etc

Unknown Julianlstar: We are starting to see a layer of infomediaries Placr, Geowise, Talis etc ←

07:38:37 <PhilA2> This IRC channel is the record of the day, yes and is public. Twitter with #pmod is for telling the world what's going on now.

Phil Archer: This IRC channel is the record of the day, yes and is public. Twitter with #pmod is for telling the world what's going on now. ←

07:38:48 <AlbertoCottica> Interesting! OD Apps are geodata-centered, with 90% using maps.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Interesting! OD Apps are geodata-centered, with 90% using maps. ←

07:38:50 <PhilA2> AlbertoCottica: See ^ :-)

Unknown AlbertoCottica: See ^ :-) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:39:15 <Dirdigeng> Some UK data is available as either open data or as a service with an SLA; businesses tend to use the SLA-based service

Unknown Dirdigeng: Some UK data is available as either open data or as a service with an SLA; businesses tend to use the SLA-based service ←

07:40:03 <Dirdigeng> @phila2 will papers and presentations be available online later p,ease?

Unknown Dirdigeng: @phila2 will papers and presentations be available online later p,ease? ←

07:40:13 <PhilA2> Nikos: Emphasis on single, static data set, not integrating multiple or using real time data (due to availabilty I wonder?)

Unknown Nikos: Emphasis on single, static data set, not integrating multiple or using real time data (due to availabilty I wonder?) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:41:55 <Dirdigeng> Is there any data about how much each app is used?

Unknown Dirdigeng: Is there any data about how much each app is used? ←

07:42:02 <PhilA2> Nikos: Surprisingly - it's hard to find the apps. It took a lot of effort

Unknown Nikos: Surprisingly - it's hard to find the apps. It took a lot of effort [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:42:03 <olivier> Dirdigeng - all papers linked from http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda, and I think slides will be too

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Unknown olivier: Dirdigeng - all papers linked from http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda, and I think slides will be too ←

07:42:26 <MartinKaltenboeck> Is it important for the users what apps are based on open data?

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Is it important for the users what apps are based on open data? ←

07:42:46 <TimDavies> Nikos highlighting the importance of having better ways of discovering applications - lightweight semantics and common meta-model

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Unknown TimDavies: Nikos highlighting the importance of having better ways of discovering applications - lightweight semantics and common meta-model ←

07:43:47 <Dirdigeng> Nikos says hards to find data on apps usage

Unknown Dirdigeng: Nikos says hards to find data on apps usage ←

07:45:03 <AlbertoCottica> Moving onto Twitter, I am better at commenting than note taking

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Moving onto Twitter, I am better at commenting than note taking ←

07:49:26 <TimDavies> From @Julianlstar on twitter: We need to think of what the definition of an #opendata app is. There are apps/services that exist that use #opendata if available #pmod / Companies such as Parkopedia, Geowise, Placr, Spikes Clavell all use #opendata its just they aren't based soley on open data #pmod

Unknown TimDavies: From @Julianlstar on twitter: We need to think of what the definition of an #opendata app is. There are apps/services that exist that use #opendata if available #pmod / Companies such as Parkopedia, Geowise, Placr, Spikes Clavell all use #opendata its just they aren't based soley on open data #pmod ←

07:51:21 <PhilA2> Noel Van Herreweghe from Citadel (paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_1.pdf)

Phil Archer: Noel Van Herreweghe from Citadel (paper -> http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_1.pdf) ←

07:52:01 <PhilA2> noel: Emphasises importance of local data

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Unknown noel: Emphasises importance of local data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:52:51 <deirdrelee> @Julianlstar and @TimDavies - I would think integratiing Open Data into existing product is a more realistic business model than trying to build an entire new enterprise around an Open Data app. What do you think?

Deirdre Lee: @Julianlstar and @TimDavies - I would think integratiing Open Data into existing product is a more realistic business model than trying to build an entire new enterprise around an Open Data app. What do you think? ←

07:52:56 <PhilA2> Data often in silos - still...

Phil Archer: Data often in silos - still... ←

07:53:43 <PhilA2> Noel: Local gov really interested. Event last Friday very successful

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Unknown Noel: Local gov really interested. Event last Friday very successful [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:54:19 <PhilA2> Noel: Citizen needs - demand side!

Unknown Noel: Citizen needs - demand side! [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:55:35 <PhilA2> Noel: Links open data to Living Labs concept

Unknown Noel: Links open data to Living Labs concept [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:58:33 <cgueret> <pub>Example of usage of living labs concept for linked open data: http://mvoices.eu</pub>

Unknown cgueret: <pub>Example of usage of living labs concept for linked open data: http://mvoices.eu</pub> ←

07:59:03 <PhilA2> Noel: describes iPhone apps that use city data

Unknown Noel: describes iPhone apps that use city data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

07:59:05 <Dirdigeng> @deirdrelee Open Data sometimes provides the core reference data (company register, geospatial refs) on which private adds value.  That's the model for many existing uses of Public Sector Information

Unknown Dirdigeng: @deirdrelee Open Data sometimes provides the core reference data (company register, geospatial refs) on which private adds value. That's the model for many existing uses of Public Sector Information ←

08:05:13 <PhilA2> Dierdre: Shows various stages along the way from getting data out there and then... need more

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Unknown Dierdre: Shows various stages along the way from getting data out there and then... need more [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:05:55 <AlbertoCottica> Any link to Deirdre Lee's slides?

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Any link to Deirdre Lee's slides? ←

08:06:09 <Girts> Q to Noel - any application in Flanders which would create data by citizen feedback (e.g. reports of communal problems in the neighborhood or so)?

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Unknown Girts: Q to Noel - any application in Flanders which would create data by citizen feedback (e.g. reports of communal problems in the neighborhood or so)? ←

08:06:44 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Shows national impact of OGD work

Deirdre Lee: Shows national impact of OGD work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:07:48 <CaptSolo> mentions http://www.dublinked.ie/ - has embedded rdf

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Unknown CaptSolo: mentions http://www.dublinked.ie/ - has embedded rdf ←

08:07:53 <PhilA2> Volvo race is a big event

Phil Archer: Volvo race is a big event ←

08:08:10 <PhilA2> OGD and apps important part of the outreach

Phil Archer: OGD and apps important part of the outreach ←

08:09:37 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Needed to get machine readable data from Galway City. Managed to get that and then triplified

Deirdre Lee: Needed to get machine readable data from Galway City. Managed to get that and then triplified [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:10:34 <CaptSolo> using _linked_ open data

Unknown CaptSolo: using _linked_ open data ←

08:10:51 <CaptSolo> converted all data (csv, xml, xls, ...) to rdf

Unknown CaptSolo: converted all data (csv, xml, xls, ...) to rdf ←

08:11:02 <CaptSolo> loaded into Virtuoso RDF server

Unknown CaptSolo: loaded into Virtuoso RDF server ←

08:11:25 <CaptSolo> http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/2010/grefine-rdf-extension/

Unknown CaptSolo: http://lab.linkeddata.deri.ie/2010/grefine-rdf-extension/ ←

08:11:48 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Highlight's DERI's Google Refine extension that exports RDF

Deirdre Lee: Highlight's DERI's Google Refine extension that exports RDF [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:13:50 <PhilA2> Daniel: What was the total length of the project?

Daniel Bennett: What was the total length of the project? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:14:01 <Dirdigeng> Enriching open government data with crowd sourced data

Unknown Dirdigeng: Enriching open government data with crowd sourced data ←

08:14:12 <PhilA2> Deirdre: It's part of a bigger project which started around Christmas

Deirdre Lee: It's part of a bigger project which started around Christmas [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:14:54 <PhilA2> ... some issues of getting into App stores takes time

Phil Archer: ... some issues of getting into App stores takes time ←

08:15:02 <CaptSolo> takes time to get apps onto Android store and Apple Store

Unknown CaptSolo: takes time to get apps onto Android store and Apple Store ←

08:15:28 <PhilA2> PhilipD: Do you convert from KML, then into RDF then back to KML to be in Google maps - seems lossy?

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Unknown PhilipD: Do you convert from KML, then into RDF then back to KML to be in Google maps - seems lossy? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:15:46 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Wanted to show potential of LOD so it gets enriched along the way

Deirdre Lee: Wanted to show potential of LOD so it gets enriched along the way [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:16:02 <katleen_> @dirdigeng: enriching the data with crowdsourced data opens up a big pool of legal issues re quality, ownership and data protection

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Unknown katleen_: @dirdigeng: enriching the data with crowdsourced data opens up a big pool of legal issues re quality, ownership and data protection ←

08:16:56 <PhilA2> osimod: How can local authorities use the power of this to improve their planning and policy making?

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Unknown osimod: How can local authorities use the power of this to improve their planning and policy making? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:17:30 <PhilA2> Deirdre: It's not being used in that way by Galway... not aware of LOD and crowd sourced data being used in that way but there's a lot of potential

Deirdre Lee: It's not being used in that way by Galway... not aware of LOD and crowd sourced data being used in that way but there's a lot of potential [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:17:44 <PhilA2> ... harvesting what people are saying in social media and integrating that

Phil Archer: ... harvesting what people are saying in social media and integrating that ←

08:18:15 <PhilA2> MartinKaltenboeck: Do you offer the triples for re-use?

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Do you offer the triples for re-use? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:18:36 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Haven't had the discussion with the council about licences.

Deirdre Lee: Haven't had the discussion with the council about licences. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:18:42 <PhilA2> ... data sets are quite small

Phil Archer: ... data sets are quite small ←

08:18:53 <PhilA2> ... want to extend the collaboration

Phil Archer: ... want to extend the collaboration ←

08:19:07 <PhilA2> MartinKaltenboeck: I was hoping that the work you've done is then available to others as data

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: I was hoping that the work you've done is then available to others as data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:19:43 <PhilA2> Q - which vocabularies did you use?

Phil Archer: Q - which vocabularies did you use? ←

08:19:56 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Dublin core, basic Geo etc.

Deirdre Lee: Dublin core, basic Geo etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:20:31 <PhilA2> Q - how did you realise the linkage. Triplification doesn't create links unless you make it do so

Phil Archer: Q - how did you realise the linkage. Triplification doesn't create links unless you make it do so ←

08:21:14 <PhilA2> Deirdre: Within each data set, it will have it's own name space. Looking for common elements, esp terms in DBpedia - problem data is small and doesn't necessarily have many links to make there or geonames etc.

Deirdre Lee: Within each data set, it will have it's own name space. Looking for common elements, esp terms in DBpedia - problem data is small and doesn't necessarily have many links to make there or geonames etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:22:30 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Joins the discussion. Makes comments about what we've heard so far

Vagner Diniz: Joins the discussion. Makes comments about what we've heard so far [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:22:52 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: We saw simple data and not much integration

Vagner Diniz: We saw simple data and not much integration [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:23:11 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Not being used to improve government decision making

Vagner Diniz: Not being used to improve government decision making [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:23:28 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Noel told us that OGD is often difficult to use by end users

Vagner Diniz: Noel told us that OGD is often difficult to use by end users [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:23:57 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: We've seen lots of initiatives. many of them though are missing a use case and don't necessarily present real value to the public

Vagner Diniz: We've seen lots of initiatives. many of them though are missing a use case and don't necessarily present real value to the public [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:24:12 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Common idea - OGD is not a trivial task

Vagner Diniz: Common idea - OGD is not a trivial task [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:24:37 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: It has become fashionable, but there are mnay countries with scarce resources opening their data without any concern about it being used or being useful

Vagner Diniz: It has become fashionable, but there are mnay countries with scarce resources opening their data without any concern about it being used or being useful [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:25:01 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Not concerned whether the community has the skill to make use of the data

Vagner Diniz: Not concerned whether the community has the skill to make use of the data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:25:10 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: We need to look at the value chain

Vagner Diniz: We need to look at the value chain [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:25:31 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: I mentioned citizens as users and lawayers as protagonists

Vagner Diniz: In particular, citizens as protagonist of open e-government and lawyers as protagonists of license issue [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:25:44 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Need to get different actors in the chain together

Vagner Diniz: Need to get different actors in the chain together [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:26:11 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Need to understand what kind data can be used and establoish a common agenda

Vagner Diniz: Need to understand what kind data can be used and establoish a common agenda [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:26:35 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Putting data in an open format and publishing is not trivial. Need expert help, esp. with triplification

Vagner Diniz: Putting data in an open format and publishing is not trivial. Need expert help, esp. with triplification [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:27:02 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Anotehr lesson - timing is different for both sides of the value chain - the guardians of hte data and the users of it

Vagner Diniz: Anotehr lesson - timing is different for both sides of the value chain - the guardians of hte data and the users of it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:27:26 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: Maybe dialogue is asynchronous - we need to understand the value chain better

Vagner Diniz: Maybe dialogue is asynchronous - we need to understand the value chain better [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:27:53 <PhilA2> Noel: I agree fully

Unknown Noel: I agree fully [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:28:13 <PhilA2> ... we called a round table and asked people what they wanted in terms of transparency, And OGD was the main factor

Phil Archer: ... we called a round table and asked people what they wanted in terms of transparency, And OGD was the main factor ←

08:29:10 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: (Answering osimod) some govs just put the data out without much concerns about it use

Vagner Diniz: (Answering osimod) some govs just put the data out without much concerns about it use [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:29:38 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: So they have different view of timing

Vagner Diniz: So they have different view of timing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:30:37 <TimDavies> PhilA2 asking "If governments don't care about re-use, why do they do it?"

Unknown TimDavies: PhilA2 asking "If governments don't care about re-use, why do they do it?" ←

08:30:39 <Dirdigeng> Does the value chain look something like http;//pic.twitter.com/fixc8P53

Unknown Dirdigeng: Does the value chain look something like http;//pic.twitter.com/fixc8P53 ←

08:31:22 <PhilA2> Julianlstar: Any evidence of the government re-using their own data?

Unknown Julianlstar: Any evidence of the government re-using their own data? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:32:02 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: I can't see any re-use of the data by the government. One benefit is to foster more cooperation between govs - but I've not seen it used by itself

Vagner Diniz: I can't see any re-use of the data by the government. One benefit is to foster more cooperation between govs - but I've not seen it used by itself [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:32:06 <PhilA2> Vagner_br: But I'd like to see it

Vagner Diniz: But I'd like to see it [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:33:00 <PhilA2> Julianlstar: What we found in Manchester - they analysed how data was being used within their own departments. Having made the data more open, it's easier for the  staff themselves to access it and they're owkting on making that better

Unknown Julianlstar: What we found in Manchester - they analysed how data was being used within their own departments. Having made the data more open, it's easier for the staff themselves to access it and they're owkting on making that better [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:33:50 <PhilA2> Yannis:OGD is a hot topic in academia

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Unknown Yannis: OGD is a hot topic in academia [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:33:54 <Vagner_br> Open data value chain by Janet Hughes http://www.slideshare.net/janet-hughes/open-data-value-chain

Vagner Diniz: Open data value chain by Janet Hughes http://www.slideshare.net/janet-hughes/open-data-value-chain ←

08:34:41 <PhilA2> Yannis: We make apps so you can know things. We need more in the way of services so users can interact with the government

Unknown Yannis: We make apps so you can know things. We need more in the way of services so users can interact with the government [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:35:40 <PhilA2> katleen_: In Felmmish community we've looked at data sharing within the government. We keep looking at this from the supply side. We should include the developers in the discussion

Unknown katleen_: In Felmmish community we've looked at data sharing within the government. We keep looking at this from the supply side. We should include the developers in the discussion [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:35:48 <PhilA2> ... terms like OGD prob won't reach them

Phil Archer: ... terms like OGD prob won't reach them ←

08:36:40 <PhilA2> AndrewL: WE have an audience at the BBC what is not fascinated by data. We have a challenge to create something that is interesting

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Unknown AndrewL: WE have an audience at the BBC what is not fascinated by data. We have a challenge to create something that is interesting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:36:56 <PhilA2> ... focussing on the needs of the citizen is a good way of approaching this

Phil Archer: ... focussing on the needs of the citizen is a good way of approaching this ←

08:38:22 <CaptSolo> PhilA2: I wince every time someone says "we will open this data by creating an iPhone app"

Phil Archer: I wince every time someone says "we will open this data by creating an iPhone app" [ Scribe Assist by Unknown CaptSolo ] ←

08:38:49 <CaptSolo> ... iPhone is all nice if you are rich enough to own one

Unknown CaptSolo: ... iPhone is all nice if you are rich enough to own one ←

08:39:59 <Vagner_br> s /http;/http:/

Vagner Diniz: s /http;/http:/ ←

08:40:14 <CaptSolo> coffee break now

Unknown CaptSolo: coffee break now ←

08:40:26 <Dirdigeng> I understand the concern about the deluge, but important not to let public agencies slip back into "we will judge what data to release when and how" mode of thinking

Unknown Dirdigeng: I understand the concern about the deluge, but important not to let public agencies slip back into "we will judge what data to release when and how" mode of thinking ←

08:40:33 <PhilA2> Gwyneth: Example from the US - immigration data isn't linked across each set. So crowd souring work can be useful for maiking those links. And I see lawyers using it rather than asking the government directly.

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Unknown Gwyneth: Example from the US - immigration data isn't linked across each set. So crowd souring work can be useful for maiking those links. And I see lawyers using it rather than asking the government directly. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

08:40:39 <PhilA2> rrasgent, draft minutes

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08:41:02 <PhilA2> rrsagent, draft minutes

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08:41:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-egov-minutes.html PhilA2

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09:03:50 <CaptSolo> there is a spare lightning talk slot

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Unknown CaptSolo: there is a spare lightning talk slot ←

09:04:56 <Jeanne> AlbertoCottica: Works on Wikitalia.  Chairing session on public engagement.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Works on Wikitalia. Chairing session on public engagement. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:05:18 <Jeanne> AndreaP: The demand side of open data is taking center stage after working on getting open data out as fast as possible.

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Unknown AndreaP: The demand side of open data is taking center stage after working on getting open data out as fast as possible. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:05:25 <Dirdigeng> Native English speakers: do not use cricketing metaphors either...

Unknown Dirdigeng: Native English speakers: do not use cricketing metaphors either... ←

09:05:48 <Jeanne> AlbertoCottica: The pessimists among us worry about looking at an open data bubble.  The growth and supply from cities is not going as fast.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: The pessimists among us worry about looking at an open data bubble. The growth and supply from cities is not going as fast. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:06:21 <Jeanne> AlbertoCottica: If you are judges in Apps contests, we are seeing the same people and apps in each contest.  As the civil society fails to deliver, government might back off if they feel they have overpromised.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: If you are judges in Apps contests, we are seeing the same people and apps in each contest. As the civil society fails to deliver, government might back off if they feel they have overpromised. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:06:40 <Dirdigeng> Growth in number of civic hackers is not matching growth in #opendata

Unknown Dirdigeng: Growth in number of civic hackers is not matching growth in #opendata ←

09:07:04 <Jeanne> AlbertoCottica: Speakers will be looking at technical, legal, and social solutions to the problem.  Starting with Tim Davies--human solutions.

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Speakers will be looking at technical, legal, and social solutions to the problem. Starting with Tim Davies--human solutions. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:07:30 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Supporting open data use through active engagement: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_5.pdf

Unknown TimDavies: Supporting open data use through active engagement: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_5.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:08:06 <Jeanne> TimDavies: The conventional narrative is that we get open data and that leads to applications.  That's not always true.  We often go from data to interfaces to ways of manipulating data.

Unknown TimDavies: The conventional narrative is that we get open data and that leads to applications. That's not always true. We often go from data to interfaces to ways of manipulating data. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:08:59 <Jeanne> TimDavies: We might go to fixing data, data journalism, and analysis.  Many uses initially go from one dataset to create other datasets.  The highlighter pen is the most often used visualizer tool.

Unknown TimDavies: We might go to fixing data, data journalism, and analysis. Many uses initially go from one dataset to create other datasets. The highlighter pen is the most often used visualizer tool. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:09:38 <CaptSolo> ... highlighter pen (+ a spreadsheet) is the most common open data visualization tool

Unknown CaptSolo: ... highlighter pen (+ a spreadsheet) is the most common open data visualization tool ←

09:09:39 <PhilA2> love the idea that most common tool for analysing open data is a highlighter pen

Phil Archer: love the idea that most common tool for analysing open data is a highlighter pen ←

09:09:55 <CaptSolo> ... people print data out, highlight parts of it, talk about

Unknown CaptSolo: ... people print data out, highlight parts of it, talk about ←

09:10:05 <Jeanne> TimDavies: All the ways we use data actually involve many different technical steps.  Whether making presentations or sites.  We have to dig deeply into the creation of individual apps.

Unknown TimDavies: All the ways we use data actually involve many different technical steps. Whether making presentations or sites. We have to dig deeply into the creation of individual apps. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:11:10 <Jeanne> TimDavies: With George Cook in Nottingham, we looked at what is involved in the open data sets.  Example: release of Coins, public spending data set in UK.  Lot of work in creating a tab-separated file to a clean, interactive version.  People provide APIs and add context and linkable with common identifiers.

Unknown TimDavies: With George Cook in Nottingham, we looked at what is involved in the open data sets. Example: release of Coins, public spending data set in UK. Lot of work in creating a tab-separated file to a clean, interactive version. People provide APIs and add context and linkable with common identifiers. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:11:22 <CaptSolo> ... people clean up the data, put it out for others to use

Unknown CaptSolo: ... people clean up the data, put it out for others to use ←

09:11:27 <CaptSolo> ... next: add context to data

Unknown CaptSolo: ... next: add context to data ←

09:12:17 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Shared source code, configurations of tools, that leads to a stock of information about how to use the data.  Most of these steps are invisible to others.  All these stages can become unstable.

Unknown TimDavies: Shared source code, configurations of tools, that leads to a stock of information about how to use the data. Most of these steps are invisible to others. All these stages can become unstable. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:12:25 <CaptSolo> Open Data -> Cleaned Data -> Linkable Data -> Mashups and Apps ->

Unknown CaptSolo: Open Data -> Cleaned Data -> Linkable Data -> Mashups and Apps -> ←

09:14:07 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Open data and democracy project was the basis for the study.  Many of the apps fail because one or more of the stages of cleansing, linking, or visualizing fails.  This creates a challenge in the open data ecosystem. We publish the raw data because that's the mandate for the project.  Different end users build from different places on the system.  The data stewards have a big challenge.

Unknown TimDavies: Open data and democracy project was the basis for the study. Many of the apps fail because one or more of the stages of cleansing, linking, or visualizing fails. This creates a challenge in the open data ecosystem. We publish the raw data because that's the mandate for the project. Different end users build from different places on the system. The data stewards have a big challenge. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:14:51 <PhilA2> TimDavis:  Openness of the data is important - but we need to link the people using the data as well

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Unknown TimDavis: Openness of the data is important - but we need to link the people using the data as well [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

09:15:33 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Challenge is hearing about the uses of the data to let them connect and document the value chain and allow interactions.  Some of the data in project is crowdsourced, and not government data.  If we architect our ecosystems around gov vs. other data we create an artificial gulf.

Unknown TimDavies: Challenge is hearing about the uses of the data to let them connect and document the value chain and allow interactions. Some of the data in project is crowdsourced, and not government data. If we architect our ecosystems around gov vs. other data we create an artificial gulf. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:16:12 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Users of data have diverse needs.  Effective use of open data requires more than the dataset.  Open data for policy making for governance comes from both government and from other data providers.

Unknown TimDavies: Users of data have diverse needs. Effective use of open data requires more than the dataset. Open data for policy making for governance comes from both government and from other data providers. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:17:07 <PhilA2> TimDavis:  5 stars of engagemetn http://www.opendataimpacts.net/engagement/

Unknown TimDavis: 5 stars of engagemetn http://www.opendataimpacts.net/engagement/ [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

09:18:39 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Some of the best responses to this challenge involve deep engagement of publishers with data users.  Looked at the 5 stars of open engagement: 1) be demand driven, 2) put data in centext, 3) support conversations around data...

Unknown TimDavies: Some of the best responses to this challenge involve deep engagement of publishers with data users. Looked at the 5 stars of open engagement: 1) be demand driven, 2) put data in centext, 3) support conversations around data... [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:19:10 <Jeanne> TimDavies: People are challenged because when gov releases data it is often after gov publishes an analysis.

Unknown TimDavies: People are challenged because when gov releases data it is often after gov publishes an analysis. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:20:14 <Jeanne> TimDavies: 3 stars of engagement:  Engage with hack-a-thons, online and offline engagements around datasets

Unknown TimDavies: 3 stars of engagement: Engage with hack-a-thons, online and offline engagements around datasets [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:20:52 <Jeanne> TimDavies: 4 stars:  Invite people in to shadow in organizations, "School of Data" for online learning to working with data, run skill-building sessions in community

Unknown TimDavies: 4 stars: Invite people in to shadow in organizations, "School of Data" for online learning to working with data, run skill-building sessions in community [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:21:31 <Jeanne> TimDavies: 5 stars: Build in feedback loops, collaborate with community for new resources, provide support to sustain and build new apps and resources

Unknown TimDavies: 5 stars: Build in feedback loops, collaborate with community for new resources, provide support to sustain and build new apps and resources [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:21:55 <CaptSolo> slides: http://www.slideshare.net/timdavies/open-data-engagement-using-open-data-w3c-workshop

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Unknown slides: http://www.slideshare.net/timdavies/open-data-engagement-using-open-data-w3c-workshop [ Scribe Assist by Unknown CaptSolo ] ←

09:22:12 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Support citizen empowerment through open data needs greater attention to open data policy and practice, research needs to detail practicies, architectu open data technologies

Unknown TimDavies: Support citizen empowerment through open data needs greater attention to open data policy and practice, research needs to detail practicies, architectu open data technologies [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:22:38 <Jeanne> Question: How does survey relate to findings?

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Unknown Question: How does survey relate to findings? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:23:16 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Survey was in 2010 around Data.gov.UK--findings based on survey, and followed up in depth with 10-12 cases documenting journey.  Opendata.net/reports

Unknown TimDavies: Survey was in 2010 around Data.gov.UK--findings based on survey, and followed up in depth with 10-12 cases documenting journey. Opendata.net/reports [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:23:39 <Jeanne> TimDavies: Questions are also available on that page:  http://opendata.net/reports

Unknown TimDavies: Questions are also available on that page: http://opendata.net/reports [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:24:21 <Jeanne> AlbertoCottica: Miel Vander Sande from Ghent on the legal solutions

Unknown AlbertoCottica: Miel Vander Sande from Ghent on the legal solutions [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:24:26 <Jeanne> mi

Jeanne Holm: mi ←

09:25:01 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Challenges for Open Dat aUsage:  Open Derivatives and Licensing:  http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_4.pdf

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Unknown MielVDS: Challenges for Open Dat aUsage: Open Derivatives and Licensing: http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_4.pdf [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:25:48 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Research group on Multimedia Lab around semantic web and linked data solutions.  With local governments we are trying to do a bottom up approach to make local governments open more data.

Unknown MielVDS: Research group on Multimedia Lab around semantic web and linked data solutions. With local governments we are trying to do a bottom up approach to make local governments open more data. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:26:41 <Jeanne> Phil--this would be a great topic for a future eGov IG on the findings and outcomes of Tim's survey.

Jeanne Holm: Phil--this would be a great topic for a future eGov IG on the findings and outcomes of Tim's survey. ←

09:27:40 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Neelie Krooes noted that open data increases transparency and makes evidence-based decisions possible.  So we all asked for the data and many governments responded with open data portals.

Unknown MielVDS: Neelie Krooes noted that open data increases transparency and makes evidence-based decisions possible. So we all asked for the data and many governments responded with open data portals. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:28:34 <PhilA2> Nice to see examples of open licences other than UK!

Phil Archer: Nice to see examples of open licences other than UK! ←

09:28:46 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Published now under an open data license.  Show UK open gov license--do what you want with the data including making money, but need to show a contribution.  Same in France and Vienna.  Licenses are needed.  But concerns as well

Unknown MielVDS: Published now under an open data license. Show UK open gov license--do what you want with the data including making money, but need to show a contribution. Same in France and Vienna. Licenses are needed. But concerns as well [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:30:15 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Since governments are giving open data to the public, but want benefits to get to the public via open data.  But does it really?  Perhaps should add extensions to existing licenses.

Unknown MielVDS: Since governments are giving open data to the public, but want benefits to get to the public via open data. But does it really? Perhaps should add extensions to existing licenses. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:31:29 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Two evolutions: data co-ownership and feedback loop of applications.  Most open data models: gov opens an open data portal, uses a platform, if data is wrong then uses a different channel to notify the government.  Government then changes the data if we are lucky.

Unknown MielVDS: Two evolutions: data co-ownership and feedback loop of applications. Most open data models: gov opens an open data portal, uses a platform, if data is wrong then uses a different channel to notify the government. Government then changes the data if we are lucky. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:32:09 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Evolution should be working towards one channel where public reads and writes and also notifies the government about what needs to be changed--mono-channel system.

Unknown MielVDS: Evolution should be working towards one channel where public reads and writes and also notifies the government about what needs to be changed--mono-channel system. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:33:22 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Changes from government feeding data to the public and then creating a platform where others can change the data.  This allows for data co-ownership.

Unknown MielVDS: Changes from government feeding data to the public and then creating a platform where others can change the data. This allows for data co-ownership. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:33:40 <Dirdigeng> Restrictions to open create opportunitities for bureaucrats to use remote control - cf first version of Canada's licence

Unknown Dirdigeng: Restrictions to open create opportunitities for bureaucrats to use remote control - cf first version of Canada's licence ←

09:34:14 <Jeanne> MielVDS: This would allow additional information to be added, crowdsourced, etc.  This lets people improve the quality of the data and takes care of it.

Unknown MielVDS: This would allow additional information to be added, crowdsourced, etc. This lets people improve the quality of the data and takes care of it. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:35:04 <Dirdigeng> Need to find ways of avoiding IP ownership mess as data is corrected/enriched by numerous people

Unknown Dirdigeng: Need to find ways of avoiding IP ownership mess as data is corrected/enriched by numerous people ←

09:36:06 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Should use a standard protocol to communicate--OpenID, full feedback, well-described information.  Data owners need to invest in infrastructure rather than create reports and visualizations.  Servers need same communication protocol, flexible technologies, linked data applications, version management, conflict management, trust and provenance management.

Unknown MielVDS: Should use a standard protocol to communicate--OpenID, full feedback, well-described information. Data owners need to invest in infrastructure rather than create reports and visualizations. Servers need same communication protocol, flexible technologies, linked data applications, version management, conflict management, trust and provenance management. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:36:22 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Relates back to Linked Gov Data group in W3C.

Unknown MielVDS: Relates back to Linked Gov Data group in W3C. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:37:08 <PhilA2> Details of (new) W3C Linked Data Platform WG are at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter.html

Phil Archer: Details of (new) W3C Linked Data Platform WG are at http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/charter.html ←

09:37:11 <TimDavies> MielVDS presentation reminding me of discussion of Open Data Ecosystems (http://blog.okfn.org/2011/03/31/building-the-open-data-ecosystem/)

Unknown TimDavies: MielVDS presentation reminding me of discussion of Open Data Ecosystems (http://blog.okfn.org/2011/03/31/building-the-open-data-ecosystem/) ←

09:37:46 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Feedback on the communications have to go back into the story of the data itself.  Usage statistics need to connect.  Perhaps Google (or other dominant force) has the primary statistics on usage and need to be open as well.  Mashups and aggregations should show sources and provenance.

Unknown MielVDS: Feedback on the communications have to go back into the story of the data itself. Usage statistics need to connect. Perhaps Google (or other dominant force) has the primary statistics on usage and need to be open as well. Mashups and aggregations should show sources and provenance. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:38:33 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Results should contribute to the original.  Legal framework: Defining domains of society concerning openness; stimulating governmental investment in recalculation platform, well thought licensing.

Unknown MielVDS: Results should contribute to the original. Legal framework: Defining domains of society concerning openness; stimulating governmental investment in recalculation platform, well thought licensing. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:40:06 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Licenses need to enforce restrictions and engagement--who is obligated to particate in open data: governments, users, suppliers (private and public), monopoly with wide public coverage.

Unknown MielVDS: Licenses need to enforce restrictions and engagement--who is obligated to particate in open data: governments, users, suppliers (private and public), monopoly with wide public coverage. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:40:53 <TimDavies> Miel_VDS talking about the need for a legal framework. Also need to articulate norms of good behaviour on the web...

Unknown TimDavies: Miel_VDS talking about the need for a legal framework. Also need to articulate norms of good behaviour on the web... ←

09:41:55 <Jeanne> The new Open Government Platform is architected to connect engagement and feedback in a single place: http://www.opengovplatform.org/  This is free, open-source software for anyone to download for an open data portal: https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform

Jeanne Holm: The new Open Government Platform is architected to connect engagement and feedback in a single place: http://www.opengovplatform.org/ This is free, open-source software for anyone to download for an open data portal: https://github.com/opengovplatform/opengovplatform ←

09:42:07 <Jeanne> Question: How do you see the ownership/custodianship idea?

Unknown Question: How do you see the ownership/custodianship idea? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:43:47 <Jeanne> MielVDS: A restriction might be that a government has to invest in the improvement of the data.  If you get co-ownership of updated versions, then the license should state that everything is open.

Unknown MielVDS: A restriction might be that a government has to invest in the improvement of the data. If you get co-ownership of updated versions, then the license should state that everything is open. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:44:35 <Jeanne> Question:  Symmetry--open data is a push in one direction toward citizens, but needs to be feedback?

Unknown Question: Symmetry--open data is a push in one direction toward citizens, but needs to be feedback? [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:45:04 <Jeanne> MielVDS: Homogeneous--the channel the government and public are on should be the same.

Unknown MielVDS: Homogeneous--the channel the government and public are on should be the same. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:46:34 <Jeanne> Michalis Vafopoulos:  We need public datasets with public ownership, and we also need infrastructure.  We need big infrastructure for big data.

Jeanne Holm: Michalis Vafopoulos: We need public datasets with public ownership, and we also need infrastructure. We need big infrastructure for big data. ←

09:48:52 <Jeanne> Question:  The information system is going to be open, but we are focusing on the data only right now.  Soon it will be about an open bus--all the specifications of the bus will be published.  You can apply and be issued a passport.  Millions of small players with a few big publishers.  In private world, many channel masters opened up to their partners to allow response just in time and benefitted from it.  Then we can design good apps.

Unknown Question: The information system is going to be open, but we are focusing on the data only right now. Soon it will be about an open bus--all the specifications of the bus will be published. You can apply and be issued a passport. Millions of small players with a few big publishers. In private world, many channel masters opened up to their partners to allow response just in time and benefitted from it. Then we can design good apps. [ Scribe Assist by Jeanne Holm ] ←

09:49:26 <Jeanne> Thanks!

Jeanne Holm: Thanks! ←

09:49:36 <MartinKaltenboeck> here we go

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: here we go ←

09:49:50 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo starts presentation

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo starts presentation ←

09:50:18 <MartinKaltenboeck> Title: Opinion Mining and Sentiment Analysis

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Unknown Title: Opinion Mining and Sentiment Analysis [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

09:51:08 <CaptSolo> slides: http://www.slideshare.net/osimod/osimo-crossoveropinionmining-pdf

Unknown slides: http://www.slideshare.net/osimod/osimo-crossoveropinionmining-pdf [ Scribe Assist by Unknown CaptSolo ] ←

09:51:45 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: chanllenges are manifold as making sense of thousands of voices and identify the good ideas

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: chanllenges are manifold as making sense of thousands of voices and identify the good ideas ←

09:53:14 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: state of the art technology is used to manage content sentiments - content analysis

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: state of the art technology is used to manage content sentiments - content analysis ←

09:53:48 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: therefore social networks are evaluated using sentiments

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: therefore social networks are evaluated using sentiments ←

09:54:36 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: argument mapping tools are used

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: argument mapping tools are used ←

09:55:58 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: furthermore similarity patterns on the several opinions are used. As well as crowd soursing mechanism by voting opinions (what is important for the crowd) and thereby cluster and identify ideas

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: furthermore similarity patterns on the several opinions are used. As well as crowd soursing mechanism by voting opinions (what is important for the crowd) and thereby cluster and identify ideas ←

09:56:59 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: all of this used tools are freely available or of very low cost - what is very important that it can be used by everyone...

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: all of this used tools are freely available or of very low cost - what is very important that it can be used by everyone... ←

09:57:12 <PhilA2> David seems to be saying that tools like Twitterart are easy to use and popular but unreliable. Also, simple tools to gather opinions from Web users are easy to use but unreliable... Hm.. that's a theme then!

Phil Archer: David seems to be saying that tools like Twitterart are easy to use and popular but unreliable. Also, simple tools to gather opinions from Web users are easy to use but unreliable... Hm.. that's a theme then! ←

09:58:37 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: mentioned http://www.regulations.gov as opinion mining tool example

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: mentioned http://www.regulations.gov as opinion mining tool example ←

09:59:34 <Jeanne> Interesting comments on democratization on content production and visualization, but not on the analysis of the data.

Jeanne Holm: Interesting comments on democratization on content production and visualization, but not on the analysis of the data. ←

09:59:40 <CaptSolo>  - let people filter content by voting (e.g., UserVoice service)

Unknown CaptSolo: - let people filter content by voting (e.g., UserVoice service) ←

09:59:59 <CaptSolo>  -- ineffective for identifying good ideas, generating innovation (people vote on simple things)

Unknown CaptSolo: -- ineffective for identifying good ideas, generating innovation (people vote on simple things) ←

10:00:18 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: democratisation of content analysis is missing because the respective software is too expensive

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: democratisation of content analysis is missing because the respective software is too expensive ←

10:01:37 <MartinKaltenboeck> Question: there are different tools available as http://sentistrength.wlv.ac.uk/

Unknown Question: there are different tools available as http://sentistrength.wlv.ac.uk/ [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:01:55 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: only freely available for R&D projects

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: only freely available for R&D projects ←

10:04:10 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: for real opinion mining there is a lack of tools available for everyone - it is a difference to sentiment analysis.

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: for real opinion mining there is a lack of tools available for everyone - it is a difference to sentiment analysis. ←

10:06:31 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: future challenges for opinion mining: reduce human efforts; identify GOOOD ideas (not only ideas); question of investment because of costs of the available software; usability: tools are very very technical and lack of usability and thereby are less inclusive;

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: future challenges for opinion mining: reduce human efforts; identify GOOOD ideas (not only ideas); question of investment because of costs of the available software; usability: tools are very very technical and lack of usability and thereby are less inclusive; ←

10:07:07 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: more information available in the slides - available soon

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: more information available in the slides - available soon ←

10:08:24 <MartinKaltenboeck> Question: also 'big elephants' as facebook, Google etc see things that govs does not see...

Unknown Question: also 'big elephants' as facebook, Google etc see things that govs does not see... [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:09:18 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: this should be taken into account for the future research - to include this opportunities

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: this should be taken into account for the future research - to include this opportunities ←

10:09:50 <Dirdigeng> MOTD

Unknown Dirdigeng: MOTD ←

10:09:55 <MartinKaltenboeck> PhilA2: you cannot extract meaningful information from tweets cause of the length of the text

Phil Archer: you cannot extract meaningful information from tweets cause of the length of the text [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:10:51 <MartinKaltenboeck> PhilA2: free tools use generic algorithms - to produce good tools is lots of efforts

Phil Archer: free tools use generic algorithms - to produce good tools is lots of efforts [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:13:25 <MartinKaltenboeck> Remark: we can put specific opinions into several places by pressing 'one button' and can also collect all reactions on this with pressing another 'button' - this is dangerous.

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Remark by Yannis: we can put specific opinions into several places by pressing 'one button' and can also collect all reactions on this with pressing another 'button' - this is dangerous. ←

10:13:52 <olivier> s/Remark/Remark by Yannis/

10:15:09 <TimDavies> David Osimo has highlighted inequality of access to analytic tools between citizens and governments. Can address this by promoting greater availability of open tools to an extent. But John Erickson has highlighted that Corporations may always have more access to data and tools than citizens or governments that they can use for influencing policy. Can this be solved technically? Or does it require regulatory response on how corporations can input into policy,

Unknown TimDavies: David Osimo has highlighted inequality of access to analytic tools between citizens and governments. Can address this by promoting greater availability of open tools to an extent. But John Erickson has highlighted that Corporations may always have more access to data and tools than citizens or governments that they can use for influencing policy. Can this be solved technically? Or does it require regulatory response on how corporations can input into policy, ←

10:15:24 <MartinKaltenboeck> Katleen: are you using personal data for this research? Frida: riot tweet analysis: learned that using only machines is dangerous - human beings are needed for this.

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Unknown Katleen: are you using personal data for this research? Farida: riot tweet analysis: learned that using only machines is dangerous - human beings are needed for this. [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:18:52 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: only dealwith public opinion mining; but also this data collected at scale brings different output; loudest voices: there are methods how to treat to avoid just to hear & take into account the loudest voices...

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: only dealwith public opinion mining; but also this data collected at scale brings different output; loudest voices: there are methods how to treat to avoid just to hear & take into account the loudest voices... ←

10:19:28 <deirdrelee> insightful vs inciteful......interesting use of words in deliberation sphere :)

Deirdre Lee: insightful vs inciteful......interesting use of words in deliberation sphere :) ←

10:19:29 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris, University of Macedonia - starts presentation: Augmenting Open Government Data with Social Media Data

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris, University of Macedonia - starts presentation: Augmenting Open Government Data with Social Media Data ←

10:21:00 <CaptSolo> s/Frida/Farida/

10:21:57 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris: OGD characteristiscs as an introduction (various formats, domains,large numbers, ...)

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: OGD characteristiscs as an introduction (various formats, domains,large numbers, ...) ←

10:24:12 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris: OGD and SMD (social media data) comparison. Aim of research: integration of OGD and SDM

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: OGD and SMD (social media data) comparison. Aim of research: integration of OGD and SDM ←

10:24:34 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris: proof of concepts done by elections 2012 (Greece)

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: proof of concepts done by elections 2012 (Greece) ←

10:27:03 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris: showcases a classification scheme of OGD for better understanding of OGD  - the project also evaluated ~ 60 publications on SMD

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: showcases a classification scheme of OGD for better understanding of OGD - the project also evaluated ~ 60 publications on SMD ←

10:30:06 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris:  Integration of OGD and SMD - challenges: e.g. identify relevant OGD data sets, transforming noisy SMD into structured data, integration issues, how to show results on a GUI (dashboard), AND: meaningful CASE STUDIES!!

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: Integration of OGD and SMD - challenges: e.g. identify relevant OGD data sets, transforming noisy SMD into structured data, integration issues, how to show results on a GUI (dashboard), AND: meaningful CASE STUDIES!! ←

10:31:23 <MartinKaltenboeck> Efthimios Tambouris: stage model for OGD that more and more integrates other data

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Efthimios Tambouris: stage model for OGD that more and more integrates other data ←

10:33:07 <MartinKaltenboeck> Proof of Concept: UK elections 2012 - 2 views to integrate: objective OGD view and subjective SMD view

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Proof of Concept: UK elections 2012 - 2 views to integrate: objective OGD view and subjective SMD view ←

10:33:15 <MartinKaltenboeck> UK election 2012 (not 2012)

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: UK election 2012 (not 2012) ←

10:33:29 <MartinKaltenboeck> election 2010 (not 2012)

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: election 2010 (not 2012) ←

10:35:50 <MartinKaltenboeck> Example: children in poverty: integrated view of OGD and SMD - single views available - integrated view in progress by project team

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Unknown Example: children in poverty: integrated view of OGD and SMD - single views available - integrated view in progress by project team [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:36:38 <MartinKaltenboeck> Aim of the project is to provide the infrastructure for OGD and SMD integration soon

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Aim of the project is to provide the infrastructure for OGD and SMD integration soon ←

10:37:06 <MartinKaltenboeck> Anneke Zuiderwijk, TU Delft introduces herself

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Anneke Zuiderwijk, TU Delft introduces herself ←

10:37:38 <MartinKaltenboeck> Points out that meta data is very important in the field of OGD - asks presenters about there opinion

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Points out that meta data is very important in the field of OGD - asks presenters about there opinion ←

10:39:35 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: in opinion mining e.g. the labels of differet systems including opinions are compared

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: in opinion mining e.g. the labels of differet systems including opinions are compared ←

10:40:14 <MartinKaltenboeck> Federico Remiti, ETNA announces his demo at 05.00pm at the workshop

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: Federico Remiti, ETNA announces his demo at 05.00pm at the workshop ←

10:42:35 <MartinKaltenboeck> Question: to David Osimo & audience: industry products could be used for policy issues also?

Unknown Question: to David Osimo & audience: industry products could be used for policy issues also? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown MartinKaltenboeck ] ←

10:44:31 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: it is a question of algorithms - the available products come from marketing areas, politics field (not policy making), etc...

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: it is a question of algorithms - the available products come from marketing areas, politics field (not policy making), etc... ←

10:45:05 <MartinKaltenboeck> David Osimo: process design is curial to set up such a opinion mining system

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: David Osimo: process design is curial to set up such a opinion mining system ←

10:45:15 <MartinKaltenboeck> LUNCH break  ;-)

Unknown MartinKaltenboeck: LUNCH break ;-) ←

10:45:26 <Vagner_br> s/Vagner_br: I mentioned citizens as users and lawayers as protagonists/Vagner_br: In particular, citizens as protagonist of open e-government and lawyers as protagonists of license issue/

10:46:02 <CaptSolo> PhilA2: a lightining talk slot is still open. do volunteer.

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11:54:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-egov-minutes.html PhilA2

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12:03:28 <olyerickson> Topic: Open Data and the Media

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1. Open Data and the Media

12:03:51 <olyerickson> program note: Oluseun couldn't make it in time; please see his paper

John Erickson: program note: Oluseun couldn't make it in time; please see his paper ←

12:04:27 <olyerickson> Paper 1: Christophe Gueret

John Erickson: Paper 1: Christophe Gueret ←

12:04:35 <olyerickson> ...Decentralized Open Data

John Erickson: ...Decentralized Open Data ←

12:04:45 <olyerickson> ...focused on European countries

John Erickson: ...focused on European countries ←

12:04:57 <olyerickson> ..."Common facets of Open Data"

John Erickson: ..."Common facets of Open Data" ←

12:05:12 <olyerickson> ...We think of Open Data Portals

John Erickson: ...We think of Open Data Portals ←

12:05:25 <olyerickson> ...Single point-of-entry

John Erickson: ...Single point-of-entry ←

12:05:32 <olyerickson> ... usually in @en

John Erickson: ... usually in @en ←

12:05:49 <olyerickson> ...txt oriented

John Erickson: ...txt oriented ←

12:06:02 <olyerickson> ...Facet: Open Data Users

John Erickson: ...Facet: Open Data Users ←

12:06:17 <olyerickson> ...(several assumptions about users)

John Erickson: ...(several assumptions about users) ←

12:06:27 <olyerickson> ...facet: Open Data Producer Hardware

John Erickson: ...facet: Open Data Producer Hardware ←

12:06:42 <olyerickson> ... datacentres, max uptime, hgh speed., reliability

John Erickson: ... datacentres, max uptime, hgh speed., reliability ←

12:07:01 <olyerickson> ...Putting hte facets together: Who are we targeting>

John Erickson: ...Putting hte facets together: Who are we targeting> ←

12:07:43 <olyerickson> ...Data consumers and producers that are a SMALL FRACTIOn of reality

John Erickson: ...Data consumers and producers that are a SMALL FRACTIOn of reality ←

12:08:02 <olyerickson> ...So: Data sharing need and issues

John Erickson: ...So: Data sharing need and issues ←

12:08:30 <olyerickson> ...(rural farmer example)

John Erickson: ...(rural farmer example) ←

12:09:01 <olyerickson> ...issues with sharing from this example: distances, limited infrasgtructure, language/dialect, etc

John Erickson: ...issues with sharing from this example: distances, limited infrasgtructure, language/dialect, etc ←

12:09:37 <olyerickson> ..."A simple question: How can everyone benefit from Open Data?"

John Erickson: ..."A simple question: How can everyone benefit from Open Data?" ←

12:09:51 <olyerickson> ...They organized workshop on that theme

John Erickson: ...They organized workshop on that theme ←

12:10:27 <olyerickson> ..aspects of the olution: voice interfaces, "down-scaled" infrastructure

John Erickson: ..aspects of the olution: voice interfaces, "down-scaled" infrastructure ←

12:10:58 <olyerickson> ...Why voice: everyone can at least speak; good mobile penetration in sub-sahara africa

John Erickson: ...Why voice: everyone can at least speak; good mobile penetration in sub-sahara africa ←

12:11:37 <olyerickson> ...How: T2S, ASR technologies need to be adopted and further developed

John Erickson: ...How: T2S, ASR technologies need to be adopted and further developed ←

12:12:32 <olyerickson> ...Downscaling Infrastructure? Adopt swarm model of micro-servers instead of larger central one

John Erickson: ...Downscaling Infrastructure? Adopt swarm model of micro-servers instead of larger central one ←

12:13:16 <olyerickson> ...u-servers less costly, increase robustness, de-centralized/closer to users (consumers, producers)

John Erickson: ...u-servers less costly, increase robustness, de-centralized/closer to users (consumers, producers) ←

12:13:57 <olyerickson> ...<image> Target hardware, portal and users

John Erickson: ...<image> Target hardware, portal and users ←

12:14:20 <PhilA2> Can't help pointing out the lack of iPhones in that picture...

Phil Archer: Can't help pointing out the lack of iPhones in that picture... ←

12:14:38 <olyerickson> @phila and lots of those nokias...

John Erickson: @phila and lots of those nokias... ←

12:15:07 <olyerickson> ...Some of the ongoing projects: RadioMarche, Foroba Blon, semanticXO

John Erickson: ...Some of the ongoing projects: RadioMarche, Foroba Blon, semanticXO ←

12:15:47 <PhilA2> Agenda updated http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda

Phil Archer: Agenda updated http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/agenda ←

12:15:47 <olyerickson> ...radioMarche: sharing market prices (NGO is in the center)

John Erickson: ...radioMarche: sharing market prices (NGO is in the center) ←

12:16:39 <olyerickson> ...<image> RadioMarche node

John Erickson: ...<image> RadioMarche node ←

12:17:12 <olyerickson> ...radio, tiny server, power strip

John Erickson: ...radio, tiny server, power strip ←

12:17:50 <olyerickson> ...learning: with voice command, must have famliar voices for prompts (people the famers know)

John Erickson: ...learning: with voice command, must have famliar voices for prompts (people the famers know) ←

12:18:05 <olyerickson> ...Foroba Blon: Timely Data Sharing

John Erickson: ...Foroba Blon: Timely Data Sharing ←

12:18:44 <olyerickson> ...Tweet-like status updates on map interface

John Erickson: ...Tweet-like status updates on map interface ←

12:19:03 <olyerickson> ...enables/encourages citizen journalists

John Erickson: ...enables/encourages citizen journalists ←

12:19:18 <olyerickson> ...users call service, leave message

John Erickson: ...users call service, leave message ←

12:19:53 <olyerickson> ...SemanticXO: sharing data 6 to 12 using mesh based on OLPC

John Erickson: ...SemanticXO: sharing data 6 to 12 using mesh based on OLPC ←

12:20:31 <olyerickson> ...designed to be very easy to use for ids

John Erickson: ...designed to be very easy to use for ids ←

12:20:57 <olyerickson> ...data sharing stack for XO (aka OLPC)

John Erickson: ...data sharing stack for XO (aka OLPC) ←

12:21:24 <olyerickson> ...every XO is data publisher and consumer

John Erickson: ...every XO is data publisher and consumer ←

12:21:34 <olyerickson> ...does not rely on central host

John Erickson: ...does not rely on central host ←

12:22:07 <olyerickson> ...Q: Do you have a linked data application (e.g. mashup) framework

John Erickson: ...Q: Do you have a linked data application (e.g. mashup) framework ←

12:25:24 <olyerickson> ...Answer to John's question: Data is added/consumed via "Sugar activities" (which consume the API)

John Erickson: ...Answer to John's question: Data is added/consumed via "Sugar activities" (which consume the API) ←

12:26:24 <olyerickson> paper 2: How Open Data is Redefining the Rols of Journalist (et al) (Andrew Leimfdorfer (BBC))

John Erickson: paper 2: How Open Data is Redefining the Rols of Journalist (et al) (Andrew Leimfdorfer (BBC)) ←

12:26:48 <olyerickson> ...will be a little off topic; they don't work with "large" datasets

John Erickson: ...will be a little off topic; they don't work with "large" datasets ←

12:27:27 <olyerickson> ...but relevant wrt meeting the needs of the "audience" needs

John Erickson: ...but relevant wrt meeting the needs of the "audience" needs ←

12:27:51 <olyerickson> ...their team: "bbc secials" ... lots of multimedia itneractives

John Erickson: ...their team: "bbc secials" ... lots of multimedia itneractives ←

12:28:06 <olyerickson> ... developers, designers, etc

John Erickson: ... developers, designers, etc ←

12:28:27 <olyerickson> ...BBC: Reach, Quality, Impact, Value

John Erickson: ...BBC: Reach, Quality, Impact, Value ←

12:29:13 <olyerickson> ...They have various tangible metrics --- how many clicks, time spent on page, etc

John Erickson: ...They have various tangible metrics --- how many clicks, time spent on page, etc ←

12:29:30 <olyerickson> ... Example: Infographic for Eurozone crisis

John Erickson: ... Example: Infographic for Eurozone crisis ←

12:30:15 <olyerickson> ...positive feedback, BUT in user feedback, "too much maths..."

John Erickson: ...positive feedback, BUT in user feedback, "too much maths..." ←

12:30:55 <olyerickson> ...User feedback can be an eye-opener. Remember the vacuum in which you operate...

John Erickson: ...User feedback can be an eye-opener. Remember the vacuum in which you operate... ←

12:31:27 <olyerickson> ...Another example: "user friendly" Eurozone criss infographic (the one with circles)

John Erickson: ...Another example: "user friendly" Eurozone criss infographic (the one with circles) ←

12:32:23 <olyerickson> ...Q: What was the reaction from the dataviz experts?

John Erickson: ...Q: What was the reaction from the dataviz experts? ←

12:33:18 <olyerickson> ...Another learning: audience loves infographics/apps that help them

John Erickson: ...Another learning: audience loves infographics/apps that help them ←

12:33:37 <Jeanne> Interesting BBC perspective on how readership changes with the ability for people to be drawn to the graphics, personalization of data like how much tax do I pay based on my behavior?

Jeanne Holm: Interesting BBC perspective on how readership changes with the ability for people to be drawn to the graphics, personalization of data like how much tax do I pay based on my behavior? ←

12:33:39 <olyerickson> ...example: personal finance app that people wanted to share

John Erickson: ...example: personal finance app that people wanted to share ←

12:35:01 <olyerickson> ...Answer to John's Q: "Junk charts" review; BBC made some changes, explanations, but held strong on other issues.

John Erickson: ...Answer to John's Q: "Junk charts" review; BBC made some changes, explanations, but held strong on other issues. ←

12:35:28 <olyerickson> ...Another example: "Deaths on Every Road" --- fed by FOI request

John Erickson: ...Another example: "Deaths on Every Road" --- fed by FOI request ←

12:35:53 <olyerickson> ...Partnered with Talis

John Erickson: ...Partnered with Talis ←

12:36:15 <olyerickson> ...hit a dead-end w.r.t. back-end implementation

John Erickson: ...hit a dead-end w.r.t. back-end implementation ←

12:37:35 <olyerickson> ...example: eerie, artistic "roads lit up' visualization of accidents

John Erickson: ...example: eerie, artistic "roads lit up' visualization of accidents ←

12:38:40 <olyerickson> ...re-stressed: BBC does what it thinks its audience will get the most value out of

John Erickson: ...re-stressed: BBC does what it thinks its audience will get the most value out of ←

12:39:03 <olyerickson> ...BBC well-known for exposing data from its core domains

John Erickson: ...BBC well-known for exposing data from its core domains ←

12:40:05 <olyerickson> .....BBC music --- rich data because it has the program's own adat

John Erickson: .....BBC music --- rich data because it has the program's own data ←

12:40:13 <olyerickson> s/adat/data/

12:40:56 <olyerickson> ...BBC falls in the spectraum between just users and just publishers

John Erickson: ...BBC falls in the spectraum between just users and just publishers ←

12:41:47 <olyerickson> ...The media has an important role

John Erickson: ...The media has an important role ←

12:42:45 <olyerickson> ...Example: public sector pay (application)

John Erickson: ...Example: public sector pay (application) ←

12:43:44 <olyerickson> ...enables the extraction of the "real story" from the raw data

John Erickson: ...enables the extraction of the "real story" from the raw data ←

12:44:27 <olyerickson> ...looking at BBC's work as not publihsing, not consumg, but a mix

John Erickson: ...looking at BBC's work as not publihsing, not consumg, but a mix ←

12:45:17 <olyerickson> Q: Are comments to BBC web being analyzed?

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12:46:00 <olyerickson> ...BBC comment system is not high quality; attracts lots of trolls

John Erickson: ...BBC comment system is not high quality; attracts lots of trolls ←

12:46:54 <olyerickson> ......still trying to work out a better way to do beak....

John Erickson: ......still trying to work out a better way to do beak.... ←

12:47:44 <olyerickson> ...Q: What is BBC doing with different kinds of visualization

John Erickson: ...Q: What is BBC doing with different kinds of visualization ←

12:48:35 <olyerickson> ...Answer: The analysis is still largely textual

John Erickson: ...Answer: The analysis is still largely textual ←

12:48:58 <olyerickson> ...hasn't gone over to mostly visual (still an area of work)

John Erickson: ...hasn't gone over to mostly visual (still an area of work) ←

12:49:33 <olyerickson> ...and gets ported to alternative languages...

John Erickson: ...and gets ported to alternative languages... ←

12:50:23 <olyerickson> ...Q: Cool dataviz have front-end effective but do they lead to long-term action?

John Erickson: ...Q: Cool dataviz have front-end effective but do they lead to long-term action? ←

12:50:58 <olyerickson> ...Q: What does it mean in terms of technology and methods? Open-sourced, etc?

John Erickson: ...Q: What does it mean in terms of technology and methods? Open-sourced, etc? ←

12:52:12 <olyerickson> ...Answer: doing follow-up research to see if coverage is having an effect.

John Erickson: ...Answer: doing follow-up research to see if coverage is having an effect. ←

12:54:16 <olyerickson> ...Also: in regular contact with NYTimes, Guardian, etc. on methods

John Erickson: ...Also: in regular contact with NYTimes, Guardian, etc. on methods ←

12:56:00 <olyerickson> Paper 3: Anneke Zuiderwijk (TU Delft) excerpt from Workshop on Linked data: "Challenges and Solutions

John Erickson: Paper 3: Anneke Zuiderwijk (TU Delft) excerpt from Workshop on Linked data: "Challenges and Solutions ←

12:56:09 <cgueret> PhilA2, I'm not very good at it but I could try...

Unknown cgueret: PhilA2, I'm not very good at it but I could try... ←

12:56:13 <olyerickson> ...ENGAGE project (FP7)

John Erickson: ...ENGAGE project (FP7) ←

12:56:32 <olyerickson> ...ENGAGE Questionaire

John Erickson: ...ENGAGE Questionaire ←

12:57:40 <olyerickson> ...distributed to email lists, ENGAGE web site, LinkedIn contacts, etc

John Erickson: ...distributed to email lists, ENGAGE web site, LinkedIn contacts, etc ←

12:58:16 <olyerickson> ...target return: 246 respondents; by Mar 9, 192

John Erickson: ...target return: 246 respondents; by Mar 9, 192 ←

12:58:38 <olyerickson> ...(early results presented)

John Erickson: ...(early results presented) ←

12:59:39 <olyerickson> ...Survey included 'What types of data used," "How often?' etc

John Erickson: ...Survey included 'What types of data used," "How often?' etc ←

13:00:39 <olyerickson> ...Results: breakdown of where they got the data from...

John Erickson: ...Results: breakdown of where they got the data from... ←

13:01:30 <olyerickson> ...Results; Purposes for which the users used the data

John Erickson: ...Results; Purposes for which the users used the data ←

13:01:57 <olyerickson> ...Results: Does the data meet the users requirements?

John Erickson: ...Results: Does the data meet the users requirements? ←

13:02:55 <olyerickson> ...RE: meeting requirements, difference between meets requirements ("able") and simply making it easier

John Erickson: ...RE: meeting requirements, difference between meets requirements ("able") and simply making it easier ←

13:03:35 <olyerickson> ...Results; metadata --- 79% said they "used metadata..."

John Erickson: ...Results; metadata --- 79% said they "used metadata..." ←

13:04:47 <olyerickson> ...Results: Which metadata would be useful?

John Erickson: ...Results: Which metadata would be useful? ←

13:05:48 <olyerickson> Topic: Lightning Talks (Jeanne Holm)

2. Lightning Talks (Jeanne Holm)

13:07:07 <olyerickson> Talk 1: Farida Vis (Univ of leicester) "Allotment (publics)"

John Erickson: Talk 1: Farida Vis (Univ of leicester) "Allotment (publics)" ←

13:07:19 <olyerickson> ...combines several topics we've heard about today

John Erickson: ...combines several topics we've heard about today ←

13:07:30 <olyerickson> ...allotment is rented land form town govt

John Erickson: ...allotment is rented land form town govt ←

13:08:04 <olyerickson> ...standard allotment: 10 "rods"

John Erickson: ...standard allotment: 10 "rods" ←

13:08:30 <olyerickson> ...why? Interested in understanding user participation, prodicing data people care about, etc

John Erickson: ...why? Interested in understanding user participation, prodicing data people care about, etc ←

13:09:02 <olyerickson> ...Clause 23 of Allotment Act applies

John Erickson: ...Clause 23 of Allotment Act applies ←

13:09:27 <olyerickson> ...allotments are the responsibility of local councils

John Erickson: ...allotments are the responsibility of local councils ←

13:09:52 <olyerickson> ...return of monies is specified to be returned to local councils

John Erickson: ...return of monies is specified to be returned to local councils ←

13:10:17 <olyerickson> ...uproar over potential loss; 'threat to the good life"

John Erickson: ...uproar over potential loss; 'threat to the good life" ←

13:10:46 <Jeanne> Farida Vis' analysis of the UK Allotment Act data shows influence of citizen feedback driving gov policy.

Jeanne Holm: Farida Vis' analysis of the UK Allotment Act data shows influence of citizen feedback driving gov policy. ←

13:11:04 <olyerickson> ...major response to govt (over half of all rsponses)

John Erickson: ...major response to govt (over half of all rsponses) ←

13:11:27 <olyerickson> ...history: dates to WWII/'Dig for Victory"

John Erickson: ...history: dates to WWII/'Dig for Victory" ←

13:12:06 <olyerickson> ...enormous demand, tiny supply, cycles of interest/popularity

John Erickson: ...enormous demand, tiny supply, cycles of interest/popularity ←

13:12:47 <olyerickson> ...who's done research on allotment data?

John Erickson: ...who's done research on allotment data? ←

13:12:56 <Jeanne> Farida's paper is at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_28.pdf

Jeanne Holm: Farida's paper is at http://www.w3.org/2012/06/pmod/pmod2012_submission_28.pdf ←

13:13:22 <olyerickson> ...TTWK, Guerrilla gardening movement, etc

John Erickson: ...TTWK, Guerrilla gardening movement, etc ←

13:13:54 <olyerickson> ...What data is available? Example: greater manchester open data

John Erickson: ...What data is available? Example: greater manchester open data ←

13:14:18 <olyerickson> ...locations, waiting list data, councils that have closed waiting litss

John Erickson: ...locations, waiting list data, councils that have closed waiting litss ←

13:14:37 <olyerickson> ...FOIA results for specific key data

John Erickson: ...FOIA results for specific key data ←

13:15:01 <olyerickson> ...Published on guardian data blog

John Erickson: ...Published on guardian data blog ←

13:15:28 <olyerickson> ...picked up by UK press

John Erickson: ...picked up by UK press ←

13:15:28 <CaptSolo> http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/nov/10/allotments-rents-waiting-list-england

Unknown CaptSolo: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/nov/10/allotments-rents-waiting-list-england ←

13:16:02 <olyerickson> ...Ginormous waiting lists...

John Erickson: ...Ginormous waiting lists... ←

13:16:55 <olyerickson> ...Now what? Building a national allotment data hub

John Erickson: ...Now what? Building a national allotment data hub ←

13:17:03 <olyerickson> ...working with local councils

John Erickson: ...working with local councils ←

13:17:19 <olyerickson> ...locating who actually has this data

John Erickson: ...locating who actually has this data ←

13:17:30 <olyerickson> ...much of it is the local allotment holders

John Erickson: ...much of it is the local allotment holders ←

13:18:15 <olyerickson> attotmentdata.org and @allotmentdata

John Erickson: attotmentdata.org and @allotmentdata ←

13:21:17 <olyerickson> Talk 2: "BuitenBeter" ???

John Erickson: Talk 2: "BuitenBeter" ??? ←

13:21:19 <olyerickson> ... http://www.buitenbeter.nl/

John Erickson: ... http://www.buitenbeter.nl/ ←

13:21:41 <olyerickson> ...(technical difficulties...)

John Erickson: ...(technical difficulties...) ←

13:22:16 <olyerickson> ..."BuitenBeter: a free mobile app"

John Erickson: ..."BuitenBeter: a free mobile app" ←

13:23:09 <olyerickson> ...Take photo...GPS location...problem description...report problem to correct city

John Erickson: ...Take photo...GPS location...problem description...report problem to correct city ←

13:23:27 <olyerickson> ...Citizen needs, Government needs

John Erickson: ...Citizen needs, Government needs ←

13:24:28 <olyerickson> ..."citizen-centric solution...direct/relevant communication channel.."

John Erickson: ..."citizen-centric solution...direct/relevant communication channel.." ←

13:25:20 <olyerickson> ...Impact: Sustainable...100K users, 60K real issues reported

John Erickson: ...Impact: Sustainable...100K users, 60K real issues reported ←

13:26:07 <olyerickson> ..."Good simplicity hides necessary complexity"

John Erickson: ..."Good simplicity hides necessary complexity" ←

13:26:20 <olyerickson> ...<architecture diagram>

John Erickson: ...<architecture diagram> ←

13:27:01 <olyerickson> ...Twitter and blog activity demonstrating impact

John Erickson: ...Twitter and blog activity demonstrating impact ←

13:27:40 <olyerickson> ...<collage of BuitenBeter images>

John Erickson: ...<collage of BuitenBeter images> ←

13:28:10 <olyerickson> ...emphasis on active engagement

John Erickson: ...emphasis on active engagement ←

13:28:25 <olyerickson> ...helps to create "smart cities"

John Erickson: ...helps to create "smart cities" ←

13:28:48 <olyerickson> ... partner with http://liveandgov.eu

John Erickson: ... partner with http://liveandgov.eu ←

13:28:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2012/06/19-egov-minutes.html ot

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13:56:02 <cgueret> Topic: Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling (panel)

4. Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling (panel)

13:56:45 <cgueret> Andrew Stott, Public Sector Transparency Board, former UK Government Director of Transparency & Digital Engagement

Andrew Stott, Public Sector Transparency Board, former UK Government Director of Transparency & Digital Engagement ←

13:57:15 <cgueret> unit dealing with geospatial information

unit dealing with geospatial information ←

13:57:36 <cgueret> ... Joint Research Center (JRC)

... Joint Research Center (JRC) ←

13:58:11 <cgueret> ...the INSPIRE directive is a law to establish an infra to share geospatial information

...the INSPIRE directive is a law to establish an infra to share geospatial information ←

13:58:32 <cgueret> ... based on SDIs (Spatial Data Infrastractures)

... based on SDIs (Spatial Data Infrastractures) ←

13:59:07 <cgueret> ...does not affect property rights, started in May 2007

...does not affect property rights, started in May 2007 ←

14:00:04 <cgueret> ...november 2011: EU member states had to provide inspire-compliant discovery and view services

...november 2011: EU member states had to provide inspire-compliant discovery and view services ←

14:00:31 <cgueret> ...200000 resources from 15 members now

...200000 resources from 15 members now ←

14:00:44 <cgueret> ...(still in testing phase)

...(still in testing phase) ←

14:01:32 <cgueret> ... purpose of INSPIRE was to allow interoperability

... purpose of INSPIRE was to allow interoperability ←

14:02:04 <cgueret> ... through harmonization

... through harmonization ←

14:02:30 <cgueret> ... inspire is based on XML

... inspire is based on XML ←

14:03:15 <cgueret> ... INSPIRE is also an architecture: contributors can register their services to it

... INSPIRE is also an architecture: contributors can register their services to it ←

14:03:56 <cgueret> ... INSPIRE is not only about geospatial information, also buildings, administrative units, etc

... INSPIRE is not only about geospatial information, also buildings, administrative units, etc ←

14:04:45 <cgueret> ... 20 different objects - list agreed over all the members

... 20 different objects - list agreed over all the members ←

14:05:16 <cgueret> ... metadata in inspire describe de services that are available through it

... metadata in inspire describe de services that are available through it ←

14:05:45 <cgueret> ... in machine readable format

... in machine readable format ←

14:06:03 <cgueret> ... make use of SKOS thesauri

... make use of SKOS thesauri ←

14:06:51 <cgueret> ... the metadata is not necessarily in English

... the metadata is not necessarily in English ←

14:07:04 <cgueret> ... can be in any of the official EU language

... can be in any of the official EU language ←

14:07:14 <cgueret> ... highlights the importance of thesauri

... highlights the importance of thesauri ←

14:08:18 <cgueret> ... inspire is already using standards, why shall it moved to Linked Data?

... inspire is already using standards, why shall it moved to Linked Data? ←

14:08:48 <cgueret> ... would allow cross-domain search and data aggregation by joining other eGov framework

... would allow cross-domain search and data aggregation by joining other eGov framework ←

14:09:24 <cgueret> ... this integration need a domain-independent data model => RDF/LOD provides this

... this integration need a domain-independent data model => RDF/LOD provides this ←

14:10:37 <cgueret> ... what needs to be done to make inspire LOD-compliant, without having to rebuild it from scratch>

... what needs to be done to make inspire LOD-compliant, without having to rebuild it from scratch> ←

14:10:38 <cgueret> ?

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14:11:03 <cgueret> ... inspire ok up to three stars on Tim's scale

... inspire ok up to three stars on Tim's scale ←

14:11:12 <cgueret> ... 4 and 5 partially

... 4 and 5 partially ←

14:11:43 <cgueret> ... no commitment to use URIs for identifiers, some may be using them, some may not

... no commitment to use URIs for identifiers, some may be using them, some may not ←

14:11:55 <cgueret> ... no links

... no links ←

14:12:40 <cgueret> ... need to define mappings and build an abstraction layer

... need to define mappings and build an abstraction layer ←

14:13:33 <cgueret> ... issues: agree on minimal common terminology (vocabularies) and foster semantic multilingual search

... issues: agree on minimal common terminology (vocabularies) and foster semantic multilingual search ←

14:13:55 <cgueret> ... for vocabularies, c.f. ISA program

... for vocabularies, c.f. ISA program ←

14:14:35 <cgueret> ... core vocabularies define a minimal but extensible set of terms to describe eGov resources

... core vocabularies define a minimal but extensible set of terms to describe eGov resources ←

14:15:06 <cgueret> ... but not enough to represent crossdomain temporal geo-graphical entities

... but not enough to represent crossdomain temporal geo-graphical entities ←

14:15:56 <cgueret> ... spatial / temporal queries: should allow for expressing geometries

... spatial / temporal queries: should allow for expressing geometries ←

14:16:28 <cgueret> ... several approaches available

... several approaches available ←

14:16:34 <cgueret> ... still an issue

... still an issue ←

14:17:14 <cgueret> ... pionnering work by Ian Davis on placetime.com

... pionnering work by Ian Davis on placetime.com ←

14:18:08 <cgueret> ... ADMS + eGov core vocabularies are to enable cross-domain integration

... ADMS + eGov core vocabularies are to enable cross-domain integration ←

14:18:30 <cgueret> ... two other new initiatives: European Union Location Framework (EULF) and

... two other new initiatives: European Union Location Framework (EULF) and ←

14:19:59 <cgueret> ... LOD enabled INSPIRE prototype: http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu

... LOD enabled INSPIRE prototype: http://inspire-geoportal.ec.europa.eu ←

14:20:11 <cgueret> ... exposes 200,000 resources

... exposes 200,000 resources ←

14:20:23 <cgueret> ... metadata served in XML, JSON and HTML

... metadata served in XML, JSON and HTML ←

14:21:29 <cgueret> ... conclusion, important points: vocabularies and encoding of geospatial things and coordinates

... conclusion, important points: vocabularies and encoding of geospatial things and coordinates ←

14:22:14 <cgueret> Q: indeed no agreement for geo in RDF but you are using geosparql anyway?

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14:22:51 <cgueret> A: use whatever is available to compensate for the lack of standard

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Unknown A: use whatever is available to compensate for the lack of standard ←

14:23:30 <cgueret> Q: metadata is three stars, what about the data itself?

Unknown Q: metadata is three stars, what about the data itself? ←

14:24:05 <cgueret> A: inspire says that metadata and discover services have to be open, nothing is imposed on the data

Unknown A: inspire says that metadata and discover services have to be open, nothing is imposed on the data ←

14:24:45 <cgueret> ... should not be imposed by law, it's up to the data owners to see the interest they have in opening it

... should not be imposed by law, it's up to the data owners to see the interest they have in opening it ←

14:25:16 <cgueret> Topic: Panel Session: Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling Chair: Gianluca Misuraca, JRC-IPTS/EC

5. Panel Session: Impact of Open Data on Policy Modeling Chair: Gianluca Misuraca, JRC-IPTS/EC

14:28:26 <PhilA2> Panel members: Jeanne Holm (data.gov evangelist); Andrew Stott UK Cabinet office Transparency Board; Simona de Luca Ministry of Economic Development, Department for Cohesion, Italy; Franco Accordino, Head of the European Commission's Task Force Digital Futures

Phil Archer: Panel members: Jeanne Holm (data.gov evangelist); Andrew Stott UK Cabinet office Transparency Board; Simona de Luca Ministry of Economic Development, Department for Cohesion, Italy; Franco Accordino, Head of the European Commission's Task Force Digital Futures ←

14:30:37 <cgueret> Jeanne Holm: background in space, joined open data a few years ago

Jeanne Holm: background in space, joined open data a few years ago ←

14:31:00 <cgueret> ... Obama signed a memo for transparency in his early days of presidency

... Obama signed a memo for transparency in his early days of presidency ←

14:31:13 <cgueret> ... even before, transparency driven by popular demand

... even before, transparency driven by popular demand ←

14:31:30 <cgueret> ... have a feedback mechanism

... have a feedback mechanism ←

14:31:49 <cgueret> ... evolved other time, from rating to conversations on Twitter

... evolved over time, from rating to conversations on Twitter ←

14:31:57 <cgueret> s/other/over

14:32:57 <cgueret> ... initiative "we the people" in the white house

... initiative "we the people" in the white house ←

14:33:18 <cgueret> ... petition based data driven

... petition based data driven ←

14:33:34 <cgueret> ... everyone can suggest to change something in the gov and get support for it

... everyone can suggest to change something in the gov and get support for it ←

14:33:49 <cgueret> ... most petitions have many signatures

... most petitions have many signatures ←

14:34:11 <cgueret> ... move policy to being driven by data and transarency

... move policy to being driven by data and transarency ←

14:34:53 <cgueret> Andrew Stott: background in Gov IT and large scale systems + policy making

Andrew Stott: background in Gov IT and large scale systems + policy making ←

14:36:02 <cgueret> ... big data movement close to the open data movement

... big data movement close to the open data movement ←

14:36:23 <cgueret> ... now govs have to deal with increasing amount of data in order to make their policies

... now govs have to deal with increasing amount of data in order to make their policies ←

14:37:19 <PhilA2> Interesting - used to be a 6 month wait for a policy maker to be able to scan the UK Social Security database (which took a weekend). Now it's on your laptop

Phil Archer: Interesting - used to be a 6 month wait for a policy maker to be able to scan the UK Social Security database (which took a weekend). Now it's on your laptop ←

14:37:33 <cgueret> ... did some work on reviewing data from new zealand: many feedback from users

... did some work on reviewing data from new zealand: many feedback from users ←

14:37:58 <PhilA2> National UK crime-maps at http://police.uk

Phil Archer: National UK crime-maps at http://police.uk ←

14:38:28 <PhilA2> Police complaining about all the feedback :-)

Phil Archer: Police complaining about all the feedback :-) ←

14:38:37 <cgueret> ... police complained they have to revise their priorities to cope with the feedback

... police complained they have to revise their priorities to cope with the feedback ←

14:39:07 <cgueret> ... a lot of time gov spend some time looking for info internally

... a lot of time gov spend some time looking for info internally ←

14:39:35 <cgueret> ... people in govs use open data sites to get the data they need

... people in govs use open data sites to get the data they need ←

14:39:58 <cgueret> ... improve dialog within government

... improve dialog within government ←

14:40:10 <cgueret> ... no systematic measure of it but visibly happening

... no systematic measure of it but visibly happening ←

14:40:29 <PhilA2> UK MPs more likely to use http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ than http://www.parliament.uk/ to get info about parliament

Phil Archer: UK MPs more likely to use http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ than http://www.parliament.uk/ to get info about parliament ←

14:41:45 <cgueret> Simona de Luca: recently published study on situation

Simona de Luca: recently published study on situation ←

14:42:03 <cgueret> ... not a lot of data, no central point of access

... not a lot of data, no central point of access ←

14:42:22 <cgueret> ... data re-use showed to go with central point of access

... data re-use showed to go with central point of access ←

14:42:45 <cgueret> ... in Italy, experiments to speed up publication process

... in Italy, experiments to speed up publication process ←

14:43:24 <PhilA2> Interesting that Italian 'technical government' is accelerating progress on open data

Phil Archer: Interesting that Italian 'technical government' is accelerating progress on open data ←

14:43:28 <cgueret> ... at the moment, working on opening information on cohesion policies

... at the moment, working on opening information on cohesion policies ←

14:44:09 <cgueret> ... opening data means cleaning the data

... opening data means cleaning the data ←

14:44:17 <cgueret> ... choose criteria to publish

... choose criteria to publish ←

14:44:49 <cgueret> ... means need to work on metadata. Open data is a first step, next comes visiualisation and tools to collect feedback

... means need to work on metadata. Open data is a first step, next comes visiualisation and tools to collect feedback ←

14:45:16 <cgueret> ... not thinking about modelling and linking now

... not thinking about modelling and linking now ←

14:46:05 <PhilA2> Focussing on mapping 'interventions' and assessing impact

Phil Archer: Focussing on mapping 'interventions' and assessing impact ←

14:46:42 <cgueret> Franco Accordino: digital future task force

Franco Accordino: digital future task force ←

14:46:58 <cgueret> ... start July 4th

... start July 4th ←

14:47:24 <cgueret> ... by 2013, deliver inspiring ideas (with evidence) for policy making for 2020

... by 2013, deliver inspiring ideas (with evidence) for policy making for 2020 ←

14:47:30 <cgueret> ... c.f. euro 2020

... c.f. euro 2020 ←

14:47:43 <cgueret> ... digital agenda is ont of the 7 pilars of this document

... digital agenda is ont of the 7 pilars of this document ←

14:47:59 <cgueret> ... goal of -20% carbon footprint by 2020

... goal of -20% carbon footprint by 2020 ←

14:48:09 <cgueret> ... for instance, several other targets establoshed

... for instance, several other targets establoshed ←

14:49:19 <cgueret> ... hard to assess if goals are realistic or not, but important is to find what is needed to reach them

... hard to assess if goals are realistic or not, but important is to find what is needed to reach them ←

14:49:36 <PhilA> Digital Futures brings in scientific data together with opinions "we want to elimiate poverty by..." etc.

Phil Archer: Digital Futures brings in scientific data together with opinions "we want to elimiate poverty by..." etc. ←

14:50:08 <PhilA> Then mixes in contradictory opinions and see what comes out

Phil Archer: Then mixes in contradictory opinions and see what comes out ←

14:50:11 <cgueret> ... their could be competing visions to achieve a given goal

... their could be competing visions to achieve a given goal ←

14:50:29 <cgueret> ... we want to engage more and more the citizens

... we want to engage more and more the citizens ←

14:50:40 <cgueret> ... make every european a policy maker

... make every european a policy maker ←

14:50:46 <PhilA> Digital Futures: To Make Every European A Policy Maker

Phil Archer: Digital Futures: To Make Every European A Policy Maker ←

14:51:11 <cgueret> ... to do that, will develop a platform

... to do that, will develop a platform ←

14:52:01 <cgueret> ... open to everyone with data access and also reasoning on the data

... open to everyone with data access and also reasoning on the data ←

14:52:11 <cgueret> ... goal is to offer the same experience to everyone

... goal is to offer the same experience to everyone ←

14:52:42 <cgueret> ... important to work closely with the US because it's all global problems

... important to work closely with the US because it's all global problems ←

14:52:48 <cgueret> ... "data has no borders"

... "data has no borders" ←

14:53:34 <cgueret> ... the all commission is moving towards Open Data

... the all commission is moving towards Open Data ←

14:55:21 <cgueret> Q: petitioning mechanism sounds like a rough mean, which is also easy to manipulate. What are the limits to filter?

Unknown Q: petitioning mechanism sounds like a rough mean, which is also easy to manipulate. What are the limits to filter? ←

14:56:03 <cgueret> A: (Jeanne) Petitions are proposed by people - most popular is to legalise Marijuana, was against many local laws

Unknown A: (Jeanne) Petitions are proposed by people - most popular is to legalise Marijuana, was against many local laws ←

14:56:31 <cgueret> ... some less controversial

... some less controversial ←

14:57:10 <cgueret> ... the government is clear about why something is possible or not

... the government is clear about why something is possible or not ←

14:57:36 <cgueret> (Andrew) first petition in UK in 2007, had an up and down history

(Andrew) first petition in UK in 2007, had an up and down history ←

14:58:13 <cgueret> ... one famous one was against the taxes for congestion

... one famous one was against the taxes for congestion ←

14:58:56 <cgueret> ... in 2009 act required every council to have a petition system

... in 2009 act required every council to have a petition system ←

14:59:24 <cgueret> ... if more that 200000 signatures, there is a debate in parliament

... if more that 200000 signatures, there is a debate in parliament ←

15:00:04 <cgueret> ... "spending challenge" crowd-source ideas for saving public money

... "spending challenge" crowd-source ideas for saving public money ←

15:00:59 <cgueret> ... UK gov has hiered Wikipedia founder to think about ways to get more feedback from public consultations

... UK gov has hiered Wikipedia founder to think about ways to get more feedback from public consultations ←

15:01:46 <cgueret> (Franco) 1500 responses to a call about horizon2020 ideas

(Franco) 1500 responses to a call about horizon2020 ideas ←

15:02:30 <cgueret> ... 29 questions, big chjallenge was to process the data

... 29 questions, big chjallenge was to process the data ←

15:02:52 <cgueret> ... everything had to be done manually because contained text like "you should do this and that"

... everything had to be done manually because contained text like "you should do this and that" ←

15:03:32 <cgueret> ... 6 months of processing time => too much

... 6 months of processing time => too much ←

15:03:47 <cgueret> ... writting a directive takes 2 years from consultation to end

... writting a directive takes 2 years from consultation to end ←

15:04:44 <cgueret> ... aim at making it more evidence based and participatory (less reacting)

... aim at making it more evidence based and participatory (less reacting) ←

15:05:30 <cgueret> (Simona) start by opening the data to incite for collaboration within the citizens

(Simona) start by opening the data to incite for collaboration within the citizens ←

15:07:49 <cgueret> Q: are we to the point where a country could no more not publish his data?

Unknown Q: are we to the point where a country could no more not publish his data? ←

15:08:55 <cgueret> Q: Open data enmphasises more the supply than the demand side, does that reflect some difficulties from the gov to talk with the consumers side?

Unknown Q: Open data enmphasises more the supply than the demand side, does that reflect some difficulties from the gov to talk with the consumers side? ←

15:10:56 <cgueret> Q: how can the participatory approaches be brought forward? How can be re-define the policy making cycle to consider this?

Unknown Q: how can the participatory approaches be brought forward? How can be re-define the policy making cycle to consider this? ←

15:16:00 <cgueret> (Jeanne) whatever entity you represent, it's important we all share our information

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(Jeanne) whatever entity you represent, it's important we all share our information ←

15:16:25 <cgueret> ... it's more important than to worry about the number of stars (but that's legitimate too)

... it's more important than to worry about the number of stars (but that's legitimate too) ←

15:18:23 <cgueret> (Simona) governements have a short time in front of them so need to act quickly

(Simona) governements have a short time in front of them so need to act quickly ←

15:19:57 <cgueret> (Andrew) already saw two times a redisign of policy making process

(Andrew) already saw two times a redisign of policy making process ←

15:20:05 <cgueret> ... one for ISO compliance

... one for ISO compliance ←

15:20:34 <cgueret> ... one for not only having quality standards but also have predictive results

... one for not only having quality standards but also have predictive results ←

15:21:08 <cgueret> ... lot of policy makers don't have good data scale

... lot of policy makers don't have good data scale ←

15:22:09 <cgueret> ... a bit like "minority report" now: it is possible to predict which kids will be at risk before they are even born, how do we deal with that for policy making?

... a bit like "minority report" now: it is possible to predict which kids will be at risk before they are even born, how do we deal with that for policy making? ←

15:22:32 <cgueret> (Franco) that's the beauty of opening

(Franco) that's the beauty of opening ←

15:22:47 <cgueret> ... we are one big crowd that can reach consensus on things

... we are one big crowd that can reach consensus on things ←

15:23:25 <cgueret> ... we're moving onto having a way to influence a system that has been working for years in some way

... we're moving onto having a way to influence a system that has been working for years in some way ←

15:23:39 <cgueret> ... swiss already have the right culture for it

... swiss already have the right culture for it ←

15:24:07 <cgueret> ... and they can afford it (referendums)

... and they can afford it (referendums) ←

15:24:19 <cgueret> ... now with ICT, new systems will be developed

... now with ICT, new systems will be developed ←

15:24:38 <cgueret> ... govs have to adapt faster to an ever changing world

... govs have to adapt faster to an ever changing world ←

15:25:29 <cgueret> ... data is about the past but can be used to extrapolate to people's desire

... data is about the past but can be used to extrapolate to people's desire ←

15:26:32 <cgueret> ... it's important that the community of Open Data make it so they can reach non specialists

... it's important that the community of Open Data make it so they can reach non specialists ←

15:26:59 <cgueret> ... politicians that are not in the US, UK or Italy have to understand the whereabouts too

... politicians that are not in the US, UK or Italy have to understand the whereabouts too ←

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