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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 18 October 2011

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Anne Washington, Brian Handspicker, Daniel Bennett, Ed Summers, Hadley Beeman, Jeanne Holm, John Sheridan, John Erickson, Martin Kliehm, Phil Archer, Ted Thibodeau, Unknown Owen
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Jeanne Holm
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13:00:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-irc

13:00:43 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, this is egov

Hadley Beeman: zakim, this is egov

13:00:43 <Zakim> ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, HadleyBeeman; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM

13:00:51 <HadleyBeeman> Morning all :)

Hadley Beeman: Morning all :)

13:00:53 <kliehm> trackbot, start telcon

Martin Kliehm: trackbot, start telcon

13:00:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

13:00:57 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV

13:00:57 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

13:00:58 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:00:58 <trackbot> Date: 18 October 2011
13:01:12 <Zakim> +??P5

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P5

13:01:29 <Zakim> -??P0

Zakim IRC Bot: -??P0

13:01:50 <Zakim> +??P6

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P6

13:02:01 <Zakim> + +1.818.434.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.818.434.aabb

13:02:03 <kliehm> zakim, p6 is me

Martin Kliehm: zakim, p6 is me

13:02:03 <Zakim> sorry, kliehm, I do not recognize a party named 'p6'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, kliehm, I do not recognize a party named 'p6'

13:02:19 <kliehm> zakim, ??P6 is me

Martin Kliehm: zakim, ??P6 is me

13:02:19 <Zakim> +kliehm; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +kliehm; got it

13:02:20 <Zakim> +??P8

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8

13:02:26 <olyerickson> Zakim, ??p8 is olyerickson

John Erickson: Zakim, ??p8 is olyerickson

13:02:26 <Zakim> +olyerickson; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +olyerickson; got it

13:02:28 <kliehm> zakim, mute me

Martin Kliehm: zakim, mute me

13:02:29 <Zakim> kliehm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kliehm should now be muted

13:02:36 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:03:17 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:03:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.843.682.aaaa, ??P5, kliehm (muted), +1.818.434.aabb, olyerickson, [IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.843.682.aaaa, ??P5, kliehm (muted), +1.818.434.aabb, olyerickson, [IPcaller]

13:03:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, bhyland, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, bhyland, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

13:03:29 <PhilA2> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Phil Archer: zakim, [IPcaller] is me

13:03:29 <Zakim> +PhilA2; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +PhilA2; got it

13:04:57 <Zakim> + +1.440.389.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.440.389.aacc

13:05:03 <HadleyBeeman> zakim, aacc is me

Hadley Beeman: zakim, aacc is me

13:05:04 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman; got it

13:05:41 <PhilA2> zakim, aaaa is Owen

Phil Archer: zakim, aaaa is Owen

13:05:41 <Zakim> +Owen; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen; got it

13:06:06 <Jeanne> aabb is me

Jeanne Holm: aabb is me

13:06:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:06:10 <PhilA2> zakim, aabb is Jeanne

Phil Archer: zakim, aabb is Jeanne

13:06:10 <Zakim> +Jeanne; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Jeanne; got it

13:06:16 <edsu> Zakim, IPcaller is edsu

Ed Summers: Zakim, IPcaller is edsu

13:06:16 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +edsu; got it

13:06:54 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:06:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm (muted), Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm (muted), Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu

13:06:56 <Zakim> On IRC I see PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, bhyland, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, bhyland, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

13:07:27 <kliehm> zakim, unmute me

Martin Kliehm: zakim, unmute me

13:07:27 <Zakim> kliehm should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kliehm should no longer be muted

13:07:54 <HadleyBeeman> Looking forward to seeing lots of you in Warsaw tomorrow

Hadley Beeman: Looking forward to seeing lots of you in Warsaw tomorrow

13:07:59 <olyerickson> @warsaw travellers: safe travels

John Erickson: @warsaw travellers: safe travels

13:08:23 <olyerickson> +1 to TPAC

John Erickson: +1 to TPAC

13:08:41 <olyerickson> nope

John Erickson: nope

13:08:54 <PhilA2> chair: Jeanne
13:08:54 <olyerickson> okay I see it now (was looking at wrong list)

John Erickson: okay I see it now (was looking at wrong list)

13:09:08 <PhilA2> Topic: TPAC

1. TPAC

13:09:36 <PhilA2> JH: We're trying to build momentum towards the meeting

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: We're trying to build momentum towards the meeting [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:09:40 <olyerickson> W3C TPAC eov proposed agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

John Erickson: W3C TPAC eov proposed agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

13:09:54 <PhilA2> ... Josema was telling me about the World Bank event

Phil Archer: ... Josema was telling me about the World Bank event

13:10:16 <PhilA2> ... and now we have the Warsaw meeting

Phil Archer: ... and now we have the Warsaw meeting

13:10:36 <PhilA2> ... I've been working on the agenda with Joseam, Jonathan etc

Phil Archer: ... I've been working on the agenda with Joseam, Jonathan etc

13:10:54 <PhilA2> ... some frustration that enthusiasm dies down in between the big events

Phil Archer: ... some frustration that enthusiasm dies down in between the big events

13:11:03 <PhilA2> ... so we want to keep the balls in the air

Phil Archer: ... so we want to keep the balls in the air

13:11:12 <PhilA2> ... and coordinated

Phil Archer: ... and coordinated

13:11:24 <PhilA2> ... so TPAC will build on what we're doing in Warsaw

Phil Archer: ... so TPAC will build on what we're doing in Warsaw

13:12:16 <PhilA2> kliehm: Sounds good

Martin Kliehm: Sounds good [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:12:19 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: +1

Hadley Beeman: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:12:35 <olyerickson> olyerickson: Communicationwill be essential for it to work as Jeanne has described

John Erickson: Communicationwill be essential for it to work as Jeanne has described [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

13:12:44 <PhilA2> JH: So we're thinking of the IG being the repository of resources that can be used

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: So we're thinking of the IG being the repository of resources that can be used [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:12:55 <PhilA2> ... definitions, agreements, licences etc.

Phil Archer: ... definitions, agreements, licences etc.

13:13:18 <PhilA2> ... W3C is a long term entity, more so than some of our own websites

Phil Archer: ... W3C is a long term entity, more so than some of our own websites

13:13:21 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:13:26 <Owen> Sounds to me like what is needed is a performance plan, with roles assigned to individuals and deadlines for outputs

Scribe problem: the name 'Owen' does not match any of the 105 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Allison Hornery Andrew Boyd Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Asunción Gómez Pérez Bede McCall Bernadette Hyland Boris Villazón-Terrazas Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Brian Handspicker Chris Backert Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Hau David James David Norheim David Osimo Deirdre Lee Dickson Lukose Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Ed Summers Eyal Sela Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hadley Beeman Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Jamal Shahin James Hendler James Forrester Javier de la Cueva Jeanne Holm Jeremiah Albrant John Geraghty John Speakman John Sheridan John Erickson Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kliehm Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nig Greenaway Oscar Azanon Esteire Pasquale Popolizio Phil Archer Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Rafael Serrano Raid Zaghloul Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Somnath Chandra Sonitha Aniruth Stasinos Konstantopoulos Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Swaran Lata Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Ted Thibodeau Thomas Bandholtz Thomas Roessler Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Yosuke Funahashi Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'Owen' does not match any of the 105 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Allison Hornery Andrew Boyd Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Asunción Gómez Pérez Bede McCall Bernadette Hyland Boris Villazón-Terrazas Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Brian Handspicker Chris Backert Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Hau David James David Norheim David Osimo Deirdre Lee Dickson Lukose Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Ed Summers Eyal Sela Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hadley Beeman Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Jamal Shahin James Hendler James Forrester Javier de la Cueva Jeanne Holm Jeremiah Albrant John Geraghty John Speakman John Sheridan John Erickson Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kliehm Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nig Greenaway Oscar Azanon Esteire Pasquale Popolizio Phil Archer Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Rafael Serrano Raid Zaghloul Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Somnath Chandra Sonitha Aniruth Stasinos Konstantopoulos Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Swaran Lata Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Ted Thibodeau Thomas Bandholtz Thomas Roessler Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Yosuke Funahashi Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Owen: Sounds to me like what is needed is a performance plan, with roles assigned to individuals and deadlines for outputs

13:13:52 <PhilA2> JH: Communication is tricky. We might see a lot of cross posting on the lists.

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: Communication is tricky. We might see a lot of cross posting on the lists. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:14:14 <PhilA2> ... I've been trying to take more of the conversation to Twitter, but that is challenging in its won way of course

Phil Archer: ... I've been trying to take more of the conversation to Twitter, but that is challenging in its own way of course

13:14:23 <PhilA2> s/won/own/
13:15:05 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software

Zakim IRC Bot: +OpenLink_Software

13:15:05 <PhilA2> PhilA: Is there not a directory being created by GLD WG?

Phil Archer: Is there not a directory being created by GLD WG? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:15:08 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me

13:15:08 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +MacTed; got it

13:15:08 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, mute me

13:15:09 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: MacTed should now be muted

13:15:14 <HadleyBeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

13:15:16 <PhilA2> JH: That's one of the things we're talking about in Warsaw

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: That's one of the things we're talking about in Warsaw [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:15:21 <PhilA2> ack PhilA2

Phil Archer: ack PhilA2

13:15:29 <PhilA2> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:15:41 <PhilA2> 9-

Phil Archer: 9-

13:15:43 <PhilA2> q-

Phil Archer: q-

13:16:08 <PhilA2> JH: Explains the differences

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: Explains the differences [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:16:13 <olyerickson> +1 to deeper understanding of best practices w.r.t. licensing, policies, etc

John Erickson: +1 to deeper understanding of best practices w.r.t. licensing, policies, etc

13:16:27 <Zakim> + +1.413.652.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.413.652.aadd

13:16:42 <olyerickson> +1 to Hadley's comments --- GLD is very focused

John Erickson: +1 to Hadley's comments --- GLD is very focused

13:16:43 <Jeanne> Need to be able to look at data that is also not 5-star data

Jeanne Holm: Need to be able to look at data that is also not 5-star data

13:16:43 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: I agree with what JH jas said, but add that the GLD WG is focussed on 5 start LD, so there's plenty of scope for sharing info about data that is not 5*

Hadley Beeman: I agree with what JH jas said, but add that the GLD WG is focussed on 5 start LD, so there's plenty of scope for sharing info about data that is not 5* [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:16:58 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: All for not duplicating what GLD is doing but there is more to do

Hadley Beeman: All for not duplicating what GLD is doing but there is more to do [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:17:01 <PhilA2> JH: +1

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: +1 [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:17:21 <HadleyBeeman> ack me

Hadley Beeman: ack me

13:17:23 <PhilA2> ... on data.gov we link to sites whatever format it's in

Phil Archer: ... on data.gov we link to sites whatever format it's in

13:17:44 <PhilA2> ... what's important is that it's official data

Phil Archer: ... what's important is that it's official data

13:18:19 <PhilA2> ... each catalogue that we see has slightly different criteria we notice

Phil Archer: ... each catalogue that we see has slightly different criteria we notice

13:18:26 <PhilA2> .. the first star is the hardest to get

Phil Archer: .. the first star is the hardest to get

13:18:38 <olyerickson> The most important star is the first star

John Erickson: The most important star is the first star

13:18:53 <PhilA2> ... if we can get people to start changing their behaviour by publishing PDF I'm happy

Phil Archer: ... if we can get people to start changing their behaviour by publishing PDF I'm happy

13:19:03 <PhilA2> JH: The agenda is still tentative

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: The agenda is still tentative [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:19:26 <PhilA2> ... again, f2f agenda is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

Phil Archer: ... again, f2f agenda is at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

13:19:39 <Zakim> + +1.202.684.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.684.aaee

13:20:16 <kliehm> zakim, who's on the phone?

Martin Kliehm: zakim, who's on the phone?

13:20:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm, Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu, MacTed (muted), +1.413.652.aadd, +1.202.684.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm, Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu, MacTed (muted), +1.413.652.aadd, +1.202.684.aaee

13:20:21 <PhilA2> zakim, aaee is Daniel

Phil Archer: zakim, aaee is Daniel

13:20:21 <Zakim> +Daniel; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel; got it

13:20:48 <kliehm> zakim, mute me

Martin Kliehm: zakim, mute me

13:20:48 <Zakim> kliehm should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: kliehm should now be muted

13:21:00 <PhilA2> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:21:00 <Zakim> On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm (muted), Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu, MacTed (muted), +1.413.652.aadd, Daniel

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Owen, ??P5, kliehm (muted), Jeanne, olyerickson, PhilA2, HadleyBeeman, edsu, MacTed (muted), +1.413.652.aadd, Daniel

13:21:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see bdhandspicker, bhyland, MacTed, PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see bdhandspicker, bhyland, MacTed, PhilA2, Jeanne, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, kliehm, HadleyBeeman, somnath, olyerickson, tlr, edsu, trackbot, sandro

13:21:27 <bdhandspicker> aadd is bdhandspicker

Brian Handspicker: aadd is bdhandspicker

13:21:32 <MacTed> Zakim, aadd is bdhandspicker

Ted Thibodeau: Zakim, aadd is bdhandspicker

13:21:32 <Zakim> +bdhandspicker; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +bdhandspicker; got it

13:21:33 <PhilA2> JH: Idea is to do a quick summary of the recent events

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: Idea is to do a quick summary of the recent events [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:21:34 <MacTed> :-)

Ted Thibodeau: :-)

13:21:45 <bdhandspicker> zakim, aadd is bdhandspicker

Brian Handspicker: zakim, aadd is bdhandspicker

13:21:45 <Zakim> sorry, bdhandspicker, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, bdhandspicker, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

13:21:56 <PhilA2> JH: HadleyBeeman has offered to chair the next session :-)

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: HadleyBeeman has offered to chair the next session :-) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:22:41 <olyerickson> NOTE: If you're participating at TPAC, please add your name: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4

Scribe problem: the name 'NOTE' does not match any of the 105 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Allison Hornery Andrew Boyd Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Asunción Gómez Pérez Bede McCall Bernadette Hyland Boris Villazón-Terrazas Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Brian Handspicker Chris Backert Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Hau David James David Norheim David Osimo Deirdre Lee Dickson Lukose Don Brutzman Doug Schepers Ed Summers Eyal Sela Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hadley Beeman Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Jamal Shahin James Hendler James Forrester Javier de la Cueva Jeanne Holm Jeremiah Albrant John Geraghty John Speakman John Sheridan John Erickson Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Kliehm Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nig Greenaway Oscar Azanon Esteire Pasquale Popolizio Phil Archer Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Rafael Serrano Raid Zaghloul Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Somnath Chandra Sonitha Aniruth Stasinos Konstantopoulos Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Swaran Lata Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Ted Thibodeau Thomas Bandholtz Thomas Roessler Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Yosuke Funahashi Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown NOTE: If you're participating at TPAC, please add your name: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/F2F4 [ Scribe Assist by John Erickson ]

13:23:13 <PhilA2> JH: Any ideas for other speakers/organisations?

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: Any ideas for other speakers/organisations? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:23:21 <Jeanne> Any suggestions for speakers or activities to be at the TPAC?

Jeanne Holm: Any suggestions for speakers or activities to be at the TPAC?

13:23:30 <edsu> q+

Ed Summers: q+

13:24:06 <PhilA2> HadleyBeeman: Going back to our last conversation... it might be useful to create a wiki space for materials that we might find useful in our own work

Hadley Beeman: Going back to our last conversation... it might be useful to create a wiki space for materials that we might find useful in our own work [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:24:19 <PhilA2> JH: Sandro started a wiki and we can build off that page

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Unknown JH: Sandro started a wiki and we can build off that page [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:24:53 <PhilA2> JH: Idea is that anyone can post

Scribe problem: the name 'JH' is ambiguous. It could be any of: James Hendler Jeanne Holm . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Unknown JH: Idea is that anyone can post [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:25:06 <olyerickson> Not sure what area of the Wiki we';re talking about...

John Erickson: Not sure what area of the Wiki we';re talking about...

13:25:26 <PhilA2> action: PhilA2 to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC

ACTION: PhilA2 to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC

13:25:26 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA2

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilA2

13:25:35 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: I was deliberately vague… But I think we need some way to take home stories from each other, evidence or tools for our own work.

John Erickson: I was deliberately vague… But I think we need some way to take home stories from each other, evidence or tools for our own work. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:25:35 <PhilA2> action: Phil Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC

ACTION: Phil Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC

13:25:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-120 - Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [on Phil Archer - due 2011-10-25].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-120 - Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [on Phil Archer - due 2011-10-25].

13:26:08 <PhilA2> JH: Needs to be a permanent place

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Unknown JH: Needs to be a permanent place [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:26:14 <PhilA2> ack edsu

Phil Archer: ack edsu

13:26:18 <olyerickson> Where is this "on-going permanent place?"

John Erickson: Where is this "on-going permanent place?"

13:26:29 <PhilA2> edsu: Do you see the issues around Cloud Computing fitting in here?

Ed Summers: Do you see the issues around Cloud Computing fitting in here? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:27:13 <PhilA2> edsu: We're increasingly interested in using these services  because it allows us to bring services on line without investing in hardware

Ed Summers: We're increasingly interested in using these services because it allows us to bring services on line without investing in hardware [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:27:29 <PhilA2> JH: Personally I do think it's part of the eGov space

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Unknown JH: Personally I do think it's part of the eGov space [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:27:46 <PhilA2> ... but we don't have an agenda item of infrastructure issues. Do you think we should?

Phil Archer: ... but we don't have an agenda item of infrastructure issues. Do you think we should?

13:27:49 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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13:27:54 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

13:28:11 <DanielBennett> Cloud computing has huge policy implications.

Daniel Bennett: Cloud computing has huge policy implications.

13:28:12 <Zakim> -??P5

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13:28:17 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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13:28:30 <PhilA2> edsu: I think so. You could argue that it's independent of the Web and perhaps therefore W3C but doing some of this online means putting it on the Web

Ed Summers: I think so. You could argue that it's independent of the Web and perhaps therefore W3C but doing some of this online means putting it on the Web [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:28:57 <DanielBennett> Security, commercial control of citizen/govt resources

Daniel Bennett: Security, commercial control of citizen/govt resources

13:29:19 <PhilA2> JH: Departments could be victims of their own success if they're not able to manage the traffic etc.

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Unknown JH: Departments could be victims of their own success if they're not able to manage the traffic etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:29:36 <PhilA2> ack olyerickson

Phil Archer: ack olyerickson

13:29:37 <Jeanne> John +1

Jeanne Holm: John +1

13:30:09 <PhilA2> olyerickson: +1 to edsu as that class of topics is outside the GLD WG group scope but it's an issue for eGov

John Erickson: +1 to edsu as that class of topics is outside the GLD WG group scope but it's an issue for eGov [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:30:09 <DanielBennett> q+

Daniel Bennett: q+

13:30:12 <PhilA2> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:30:13 <edsu> PhilA2: would love to, but having trouble getting travel funding at the moment

Phil Archer: would love to, but having trouble getting travel funding at the moment [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

13:30:33 <PhilA2> ... where do we talk about evangelism?

Phil Archer: ... where do we talk about evangelism?

13:30:48 <PhilA2> JH: Good stuff, yes,. Come of that is on E&O which is in our charter

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Unknown JH: Good stuff, yes,. Come of that is on E&O which is in our charter [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:31:17 <PhilA2> ... there are pieces that don't fall into a tech area but that are of interest to the same participants

Phil Archer: ... there are pieces that don't fall into a tech area but that are of interest to the same participants

13:31:30 <PhilA2> ... so it's about how to maintain an eGov activity

Phil Archer: ... so it's about how to maintain an eGov activity

13:31:46 <PhilA2> ?? I'd be happy to lead that section of the f2f

Phil Archer: John I'd be happy to lead that section of the f2f

13:32:19 <PhilA2> s/??/John/
13:33:02 <PhilA2> JH: SO Hadley and John have stepped forward to lead a session - feel free to put your hand up please

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Unknown JH: SO Hadley and John have stepped forward to lead a session - feel free to put your hand up please [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:33:47 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: On the cloud computing, an issue I think is that we may need some sort of policy on what we produce so that we don't use too much jargon (like Cloud Computing)

Daniel Bennett: On the cloud computing, an issue I think is that we may need some sort of policy on what we produce so that we don't use too much jargon (like Cloud Computing) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:34:15 <PhilA2> ... need to make sure that when they look at things like accessibility or provenance, people can do so tech-neutrally

Phil Archer: ... need to make sure that when they look at things like accessibility or provenance, people can do so tech-neutrally

13:34:29 <PhilA2> JH: People do tend to jump on a band wagon

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Unknown JH: People do tend to jump on a band wagon [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:34:36 <Jeanne> Will add area to TPAC eGov agenda on Infrastructure to include policy issues

Jeanne Holm: Will add area to TPAC eGov agenda on Infrastructure to include policy issues

13:35:00 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: One of the great things that was done when the terms of service were re-written for a government audience cf. a tech one

Daniel Bennett: One of the great things that was done when the terms of service were re-written for a government audience cf. a tech one [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:35:21 <PhilA2> JH: Are you coming to TPAC?

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Unknown JH: Are you coming to TPAC? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:35:26 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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13:35:33 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: I can't show up but I can be helpful on the phone/writing stuff

Daniel Bennett: I can't show up but I can be helpful on the phone/writing stuff [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:35:43 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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13:35:45 <PhilA2> edsu: I can't either but I'd be happy to work on something

Ed Summers: I can't either but I'd be happy to work on something [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:35:59 <PhilA2> JH: And we will have an opp for virtual participation

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Unknown JH: And we will have an opp for virtual participation [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:36:13 <PhilA2> .. so maybe you can dial in for at least a portion of the meeting

Phil Archer: .. so maybe you can dial in for at least a portion of the meeting

13:36:16 <olyerickson> I'd be willing to stan in front of the room and facilitate the discussion on "Policy" if needed

John Erickson: I'd be willing to stan in front of the room and facilitate the discussion on "Policy" if needed

13:36:18 <PhilA2> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:36:23 <PhilA2> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:36:34 <PhilA2> ack DanielBennett

Phil Archer: ack DanielBennett

13:36:40 <DanielBennett> q-

Daniel Bennett: q-

13:37:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.270.aaff

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13:37:21 <olyerickson> WHo just joined the call?

John Erickson: WHo just joined the call?

13:37:36 <edsu> PhilA2: i do i have a new action item to look at the whole issue of big data, which would include big data sets and cloud computing, it's not an area that the w3c has been involved in to date, if cloud computing is your area we are looking at what the w3c might do.

Phil Archer: i do have a new action item to look at the whole issue of big data, which would include big data sets and cloud computing, it's not an area that the w3c has been involved in to date, if cloud computing is your area we are looking at what the w3c might do. [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

13:37:59 <DanielBennett> hi AnneW

Daniel Bennett: hi AnneW

13:38:01 <edsu> s/i have/have/
13:38:09 <PhilA2> zakim, aaff is AnneW

Phil Archer: zakim, aaff is AnneW

13:38:09 <Zakim> +AnneW; got it

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13:38:29 <PhilA2> JH: So we'll include a section on infrastructure on the f2f agenda

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Unknown JH: So we'll include a section on infrastructure on the f2f agenda [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:39:11 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aagg

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13:39:15 <PhilA2> JH: Anyone have any other suggestions?

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Unknown JH: Anyone have any other suggestions? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:40:05 <PhilA2> olyerickson: I think we have to work on the social media one. We need to figure out some way that we can bring in somebody specifically for that. There's so much going on in the world that's of relevance to eGiv

John Erickson: I think we have to work on the social media one. We need to figure out some way that we can bring in somebody specifically for that. There's so much going on in the world that's of relevance to eGov [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:40:12 <PhilA2> s/eGiv/eGov/
13:40:24 <HadleyBeeman> +1 to Olyerickson - there's lots to cover on social media

Hadley Beeman: +1 to Olyerickson - there's lots to cover on social media

13:40:27 <PhilA2> olyerickson: we should be more deliberate about how we use that time

John Erickson: we should be more deliberate about how we use that time [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:40:29 <HadleyBeeman> (and to learn from)

Hadley Beeman: (and to learn from)

13:40:31 <DanielBennett> #occupysocialmedia ?

Daniel Bennett: #occupysocialmedia ?

13:41:00 <olyerickson> +1 @DanielBennett

John Erickson: +1 @DanielBennett

13:41:02 <PhilA2> JH: Social Media is close to my heart so I'm all for that. Is there someone in the Valley who could come and talk to us I wonder?#]

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Unknown JH: Social Media is close to my heart so I'm all for that. Is there someone in the Valley who could come and talk to us I wonder?#] [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:41:22 <PhilA2> JH: I don't want the location to be an issue if possible

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Unknown JH: I don't want the location to be an issue if possible [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:41:43 <olyerickson> It would be ironic of location wqas an issue, esp for "social media" ;)

John Erickson: It would be ironic of location wqas an issue, esp for "social media" ;)

13:41:54 <DanielBennett> q+

Daniel Bennett: q+

13:41:54 <PhilA2> JH: Any areas here that someone is interested in chairing/co-chairing

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Unknown JH: Any areas here that someone is interested in chairing/co-chairing [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:42:16 <HadleyBeeman> Jeanne, if you have a hole I can chair or speak to Data licensing from the UK.

Hadley Beeman: Jeanne, if you have a hole I can chair or speak to Data licensing from the UK.

13:42:31 <HadleyBeeman> (but I don't want to take up the spot if someone else wants it!)

Hadley Beeman: (but I don't want to take up the spot if someone else wants it!)

13:42:40 <Jeanne> Thanks Hadley.

Jeanne Holm: Thanks Hadley.

13:42:48 <PhilA2> PhilA: if you are going to TPAC http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/

Phil Archer: if you are going to TPAC http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/ [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:43:03 <PhilA2> ack DanielBennett

Phil Archer: ack DanielBennett

13:43:08 <olyerickson> "If you're going to San Fransisco..." ;)

John Erickson: "If you're going to San Fransisco..." ;)

13:43:22 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: Is there going to be a session on trying to work out ongoing projects for the group - a planning session?

Daniel Bennett: Is there going to be a session on trying to work out ongoing projects for the group - a planning session? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:44:02 <PhilA2> JH: Yes. I'm trying to set up integrated activities and we'll be setting that up at the meeting, yes

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Unknown JH: Yes. I'm trying to set up integrated activities and we'll be setting that up at the meeting, yes [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:44:32 <PhilA2> JH: My intention is to walk away from the meeeting with a 6 month plan

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Unknown JH: My intention is to walk away from the meeeting with a 6 month plan [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:44:49 <PhilA2> ... trying to understand what people want and what people are prepared to do

Phil Archer: ... trying to understand what people want and what people are prepared to do

13:45:02 <PhilA2> JH: Anything else on the TPAC meeting?

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Unknown JH: Anything else on the TPAC meeting? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:45:08 <PhilA2> <nope />

Phil Archer: <nope />

13:45:09 <olyerickson> -1 to more on #TPAC

John Erickson: -1 to more on #TPAC

13:45:22 <PhilA2> Topic: Resources on the wiki

2. Resources on the wiki

13:45:40 <PhilA2> JH: If you have resources that you use or have then it would be good to see them on the wiki please

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Unknown JH: If you have resources that you use or have then it would be good to see them on the wiki please [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:45:51 <PhilA2> ... we're doing a lot of talk in the US on FOI and privacy

Phil Archer: ... we're doing a lot of talk in the US on FOI and privacy

13:46:08 <PhilA2> ... those are policies that aren't managed by the open data folk but they impact us

Phil Archer: ... those are policies that aren't managed by the open data folk but they impact us

13:46:24 <PhilA2> ... I think it's going to be useful for new folks when they jump in

Phil Archer: ... I think it's going to be useful for new folks when they jump in

13:46:33 <PhilA2> ... thoughts on building that resource?

Phil Archer: ... thoughts on building that resource?

13:46:37 <Jeanne> A singalong would be nice ;-)

Jeanne Holm: A singalong would be nice ;-)

13:46:38 <olyerickson> +1 to contibuting

John Erickson: +1 to contibuting

13:46:45 <bdhandspicker> I'd be happy to contribute...

Brian Handspicker: I'd be happy to contribute...

13:46:54 <PhilA2> JH: I'll just keen bugging people

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Unknown JH: I'll just keen bugging people [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:47:02 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

13:47:05 <PhilA2> ... a little bit from a lot of people is good

Phil Archer: ... a little bit from a lot of people is good

13:47:12 <olyerickson> q-

John Erickson: q-

13:47:24 <PhilA2> JH: Want to look at possible action items

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Unknown JH: Want to look at possible action items [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:48:16 <PhilA2> AnnW: I think we should follow TimBL's 5* model for GLD

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Unknown AnnW: I think we should follow TimBL's 5* model for GLD [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:48:24 <bdhandspicker> q+

Brian Handspicker: q+

13:48:28 <PhilA2> ... if we do some sort of maturity model then we should follow along those lines

Phil Archer: ... if we do some sort of maturity model then we should follow along those lines

13:48:51 <DanielBennett> q+

Daniel Bennett: q+

13:49:01 <PhilA2> PhilA: offers this example of adpating the 5* to a specific domain http://opencitations.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/the-five-stars-of-online-journal-articles-3/

Phil Archer: offers this example of adpating the 5* to a specific domain http://opencitations.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/the-five-stars-of-online-journal-articles-3/ [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:49:05 <olyerickson> q+

John Erickson: q+

13:49:29 <PhilA2> AnneW: It doesn't have to be LOD, just a 5 level hieracrhy

Anne Washington: It doesn't have to be LOD, just a 5 level hieracrhy [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:49:40 <PhilA2> ... LOD may be unatainable for some people

Phil Archer: ... LOD may be unatainable for some people

13:49:58 <PhilA2> ack bdhandspicker

Phil Archer: ack bdhandspicker

13:50:02 <DanielBennett> I think that HTML5 is going to revolutionize web data and we should have a paper that goes over the opportunities and policy implications

Daniel Bennett: I think that HTML5 is going to revolutionize web data and we should have a paper that goes over the opportunities and policy implications

13:50:17 <PhilA2> I'll be a chamption of getting people to 1 or 2 starts so that we can build on it

Phil Archer: I'll be a chamption of getting people to 1 or 2 starts so that we can build on it

13:50:33 <PhilA2> bdhandspicker: Also human-accessible data, XML schema etc

Brian Handspicker: Also human-accessible data, XML schema etc [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:50:50 <DanielBennett> with human readable data, accessibility, data friendly graphics and video/mixed media,

Daniel Bennett: with human readable data, accessibility, data friendly graphics and video/mixed media,

13:50:50 <PhilA2> ... a lot of the info needs to be exchanged between agencies

Phil Archer: ... a lot of the info needs to be exchanged between agencies

13:51:04 <PhilA2> ack DanielBennett

Phil Archer: ack DanielBennett

13:51:19 <bdhandspicker> indeed, I work out of Albany in the Office of Children and Family Services

Brian Handspicker: indeed, I work out of Albany in the Office of Children and Family Services

13:51:40 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: I was going to say that along with LOD, Could computing and Soc media is HTML5 and its usefulness for presenting data/graphics etc.

Daniel Bennett: I was going to say that along with LOD, Could computing and Soc media is HTML5 and its usefulness for presenting data/graphics etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:51:50 <bdhandspicker> My job is to enable interoperability between OCFS systems and Education, Health, and Justice systems

Brian Handspicker: My job is to enable interoperability between OCFS systems and Education, Health, and Justice systems

13:52:15 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: Maybe we can help with Best Practices around that area

Daniel Bennett: Maybe we can help with Best Practices around that area [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:52:38 <PhilA2> JH: It might be good to have someone from the HTML5 WG to talk about it and its possible impact on gov data

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Unknown JH: It might be good to have someone from the HTML5 WG to talk about it and its possible impact on gov data [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:52:50 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: Yes, but some best practices and examples

Daniel Bennett: Yes, but some best practices and examples [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:52:56 <olyerickson> q?

John Erickson: q?

13:52:56 <PhilA2> JH: That sounds like our research area

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Unknown JH: That sounds like our research area [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:53:03 <bdhandspicker> John: email me at bd@handspicker.net

John Sheridan: email me at bd@handspicker.net [ Scribe Assist by Brian Handspicker ]

13:53:03 <PhilA2> ack olyerickson

Phil Archer: ack olyerickson

13:53:37 <PhilA2> olyerickson: There's been a lot of discussion about technology (e.g. HTML5). I haven't heard a lot of focus on governments etc

John Erickson: There's been a lot of discussion about technology (e.g. HTML5). I haven't heard a lot of focus on governments etc [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:53:45 <edsu> big +1

Ed Summers: big +1

13:54:04 <PhilA2> olyerickson: we haven't talked about the notion of gov data per se

John Erickson: we haven't talked about the notion of gov data per se [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:54:06 <edsu> ^- for more discussion about participatory government

Ed Summers: ^- for more discussion about participatory government

13:54:10 <HadleyBeeman> olyerickson: Participatory government could be a useful topic for us (+1 from me)

John Erickson: Participatory government could be a useful topic for us (+1 from me) [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:54:28 <PhilA2> JH: I think the whole area around challenges and engaging the developer community

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Unknown JH: I think the whole area around challenges and engaging the developer community [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:54:37 <PhilA2> .. is interesting and relevant

Phil Archer: .. is interesting and relevant

13:54:44 <DanielBennett> +1 participation, but perhaps to map out the ecology of what that means

Daniel Bennett: +1 participation, but perhaps to map out the ecology of what that means

13:55:18 <edsu> DanielBennett: pull, rather than push

Daniel Bennett: pull, rather than push [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

13:55:18 <PhilA2> Topic: Open Mike

3. Open Mike

13:55:25 <DanielBennett> including laws that can be cited, ways to communicate with govt, how to moderate or aggregate

Daniel Bennett: including laws that can be cited, ways to communicate with govt, how to moderate or aggregate

13:55:56 <PhilA2> JH: Summarises next steps (Warsaw, TPAC, wiki population)

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Unknown JH: Summarises next steps (Warsaw, TPAC, wiki population) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:56:07 <DanielBennett> q+

Daniel Bennett: q+

13:56:16 <PhilA2> ack DanielBennett

Phil Archer: ack DanielBennett

13:56:41 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: Maybe we could talk about how to move forward on the subjects we've already idnetified.

Daniel Bennett: Maybe we could talk about how to move forward on the subjects we've already idnetified. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:56:51 <PhilA2> ... is it going to be HTML5, Soc Media etc.

Phil Archer: ... is it going to be HTML5, Soc Media etc.

13:57:00 <PhilA2> ... some sort of roadmap/deadline

Phil Archer: ... some sort of roadmap/deadline

13:57:23 <PhilA2> JH: Yes, that's what we're going to do. As an IG we don't do recommendations, but we can do white papers etc

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Unknown JH: Yes, that's what we're going to do. As an IG we don't do recommendations, but we can do white papers etc [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:57:44 <PhilA2> PhilA: (we call then Notes, but white paper works)

Phil Archer: (we call then Notes, but white paper works) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:57:54 <PhilA2> JH: and we can suggest things to/liaise with other W3C Groups

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Unknown JH: and we can suggest things to/liaise with other W3C Groups [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:58:04 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: Yes, that's what I'm hopjng to see

Daniel Bennett: Yes, that's what I'm hopjng to see [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:58:06 <Jeanne> Thanks, Phil.  Notes.

Jeanne Holm: Thanks, Phil. Notes.

13:58:43 <PhilA2> DanielBennett: We need input from a larger audience

Daniel Bennett: We need input from a larger audience [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:59:09 <PhilA2> JH: Yes. And we may end up doing someething sdpecific between specific cities/govs etc.

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Unknown JH: Yes. And we may end up doing someething sdpecific between specific cities/govs etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:59:16 <PhilA2> ... which could be an example of BP

Phil Archer: ... which could be an example of BP

13:59:28 <PhilA2> ... I've been reaching out to the LinkedIn group

Phil Archer: ... I've been reaching out to the LinkedIn group

13:59:45 <olyerickson> +1 to LinkedIn usage...

John Erickson: +1 to LinkedIn usage...

13:59:50 <PhilA2> JH: that's given me some good connections

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Unknown JH: that's given me some good connections [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:59:57 <PhilA2> ... obviously there's a variety of commitemnt levels

Phil Archer: ... obviously there's a variety of commitemnt levels

14:00:18 <PhilA2> edsu: Do we have another half an hour?

Ed Summers: Do we have another half an hour? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:00:36 <PhilA2> ... I'd like to know about some of those discussions

Phil Archer: ... I'd like to know about some of those discussions

14:01:14 <PhilA2> JH: I've had 30-40 mails and I've connected people, asking people to tell me what their suggestions for the group are. I'll have them collated ahead of TPAC abd will try and put them out before then

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Unknown JH: I've had 30-40 mails and I've connected people, asking people to tell me what their suggestions for the group are. I'll have them collated ahead of TPAC abd will try and put them out before then [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:01:29 <PhilA2> rrsagent, make logs public

Phil Archer: rrsagent, make logs public

14:01:34 <olyerickson> -1 to "Else" ;)

John Erickson: -1 to "Else" ;)

14:01:35 <DanielBennett> nope. thanks

Daniel Bennett: nope. thanks

14:01:41 <HadleyBeeman> No, this has been great

Hadley Beeman: No, this has been great

14:01:45 <PhilA2> JH: Any more?

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Unknown JH: Any more? [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

14:01:50 <PhilA2> <nope />

Phil Archer: <nope />

14:01:54 <edsu> safe travels

Ed Summers: safe travels

14:02:07 <HadleyBeeman> See you all soon

Hadley Beeman: See you all soon

14:02:08 <Zakim> -kliehm

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14:02:09 <Zakim> -edsu

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14:02:11 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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14:02:13 <Zakim> - +1.509.464.aagg

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14:02:15 <Zakim> -Jeanne

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14:02:21 <Zakim> -bdhandspicker

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14:02:23 <Zakim> -MacTed

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14:02:28 <DanielBennett> how do we register for virtual participation?

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14:02:29 <Zakim> -PhilA2

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14:02:33 <Zakim> -Owen

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14:02:49 <Zakim> -Daniel

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14:02:49 <PhilA2> There will be full instructions, DanielBennett

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14:02:57 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

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14:02:57 <kliehm> rrsagent, create minutes

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14:02:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

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14:03:01 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.843.682.aaaa, +1.818.434.aabb, kliehm, olyerickson, PhilA2, +1.440.389.aacc, HadleyBeeman, Owen, Jeanne, edsu, MacTed, +1.413.652.aadd, +1.202.684.aaee, Daniel,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.843.682.aaaa, +1.818.434.aabb, kliehm, olyerickson, PhilA2, +1.440.389.aacc, HadleyBeeman, Owen, Jeanne, edsu, MacTed, +1.413.652.aadd, +1.202.684.aaee, Daniel,

14:03:06 <Zakim> ... bdhandspicker, +1.202.270.aaff, AnneW, +1.509.464.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: ... bdhandspicker, +1.202.270.aaff, AnneW, +1.509.464.aagg

14:03:31 <kliehm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible

Martin Kliehm: rrsagent, set logs world-visible

14:03:33 <kliehm> rrsagent, create minutes

Martin Kliehm: rrsagent, create minutes

14:03:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

14:03:44 <PhilA2> regrets+ Bernadette Hyland

Phil Archer: regrets+ Bernadette Hyland

14:03:55 <PhilA2> rrsagent, geneate minutes

Phil Archer: rrsagent, geneate minutes

14:03:55 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'geneate minutes', PhilA2.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'geneate minutes', PhilA2. Try /msg RRSAgent help

14:04:11 <kliehm> rrsagent, create minutes

Martin Kliehm: rrsagent, create minutes

14:04:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

14:05:28 <kliehm> zakim, please part

Martin Kliehm: zakim, please part

14:05:34 <kliehm> rrsagent, create minutes

Martin Kliehm: rrsagent, create minutes

14:05:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-minutes.html kliehm

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14:05:35 <PhilA2> And there's me trying to do it from memory ;-)

Phil Archer: And there's me trying to do it from memory ;-)

14:07:00 <PhilA2> rrsagent, dismiss

Phil Archer: rrsagent, dismiss

14:07:00 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'dismiss', PhilA2.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

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14:07:10 <PhilA2> rrsagent, please leave

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14:07:10 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-actions.rdf :

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-actions.rdf :

14:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PhilA2 to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [1]

ACTION: PhilA2 to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [1]

14:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-irc#T13-25-26

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14:07:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Phil Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [2]

ACTION: Phil Archer to make sure he know how to grant write access to the wiki before TPAC [2]

14:07:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2011/10/18-egov-irc#T13-25-35-1

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