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14:49:18 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/13-egov-irc ←
14:49:25 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov ←
14:49:33 <sandro> rrsagent, make log public
Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, make log public ←
14:49:41 <sandro> zakim, ping
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ping ←
14:52:31 <sandro> zakim, this will be geov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be geov ←
14:52:31 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, sandro ←
14:52:35 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov ←
14:52:35 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start 52 minutes ago ←
14:53:39 <sandro> 'morning, Kate.
Sandro Hawke: 'morning, Kate. ←
14:54:00 <kate_geyer> Good Morning Sandro!
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kate_geyer: Good Morning Sandro! ←
14:54:05 <sandro> fadi, I did the rrsagent and zakim setup stuff already.
Sandro Hawke: fadi, I did the rrsagent and zakim setup stuff already. ←
14:54:19 <fadi> snadro, thanks
Fadi Maali: snadro, thanks ←
14:54:36 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started ←
14:54:43 <Zakim> + +1.617.619.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.617.619.aaaa ←
14:59:05 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
14:59:08 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.617.619.aaaa, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +1.617.619.aaaa, Sandro ←
14:59:29 <sandro> zakim, aaaa is kate_geyer
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aaaa is kate_geyer ←
14:59:29 <Zakim> +kate_geyer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kate_geyer; got it ←
15:00:46 <Zakim> + +03539149aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +03539149aabb ←
15:01:03 <cygri> zakim, aabb is me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, aabb is me ←
15:01:03 <Zakim> +cygri; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +cygri; got it ←
15:01:07 <Zakim> + +1.202.690.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.690.aacc ←
15:01:09 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with me
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi is with me ←
15:01:09 <Zakim> +fadi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +fadi; got it ←
15:02:02 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:02:24 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:02:24 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc ←
15:02:25 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi ←
15:02:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see fadi, george, jonphipps, cygri, kate_geyer, Zakim, RRSAgent, martin, Daniel_Bennett, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see fadi, george, jonphipps, cygri, kate_geyer, Zakim, RRSAgent, martin, Daniel_Bennett, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot ←
15:02:28 <Zakim> +Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: +Sandro ←
15:02:46 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:02:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc, Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc, Sandro ←
15:02:48 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi ←
15:03:05 <george> that's george sandro
George Thomas: that's george sandro ←
15:03:15 <sandro> zakim, aacc is george
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aacc is george ←
15:03:15 <Zakim> +george; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +george; got it ←
15:03:27 <george> ok - sorry for still being a zakim noob
George Thomas: ok - sorry for still being a zakim noob ←
15:04:36 <Zakim> + +1.607.785.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.607.785.aadd ←
15:05:16 <sandro> zakim, aadd is jonphipps
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is jonphipps ←
15:05:16 <Zakim> +jonphipps; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +jonphipps; got it ←
15:05:19 <Zakim> +??P8
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P8 ←
15:06:08 <sandro> zakim, P8 is Vassilios
Sandro Hawke: zakim, P8 is Vassilios ←
15:06:08 <Zakim> sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P8'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, sandro, I do not recognize a party named 'P8' ←
15:06:13 <sandro> zakim, ??P8 is Vassilios
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P8 is Vassilios ←
15:06:13 <Zakim> +Vassilios; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Vassilios; got it ←
15:06:46 <vassilios> Hi Vassilios Peristeras
Vassilios Peristeras: Hi Vassilios Peristeras ←
15:06:53 <vassilios> Currently muted
Vassilios Peristeras: Currently muted ←
15:07:35 <cygri> zakim, who is here?
Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here? ←
15:07:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, george, Sandro, jonphipps (muted), Vassilios
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, george, Sandro, jonphipps (muted), Vassilios ←
15:07:37 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi ←
15:07:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see vassilios, fadi, george, jonphipps, cygri, kate_geyer, Zakim, RRSAgent, martin, Daniel_Bennett, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see vassilios, fadi, george, jonphipps, cygri, kate_geyer, Zakim, RRSAgent, martin, Daniel_Bennett, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot ←
15:08:27 <fadi> chair:cygri
15:08:32 <fadi> scribe:fadi
(Scribe set to Fadi Maali)
15:08:36 <cygri> agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-13
15:08:52 <fadi> topic: Admin
15:09:03 <fadi> cygri: scribe for next meeting?
Richard Cyganiak: scribe for next meeting? ←
15:09:45 <fadi> kate_geyer: I can do it
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kate_geyer: I can do it ←
15:09:50 <Zakim> +[CTIC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[CTIC] ←
15:10:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.449.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.449.aaee ←
15:10:08 <martin> zakim, CTI is martin
Martín Álvarez: zakim, CTI is martin ←
15:10:08 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named 'CTI'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named 'CTI' ←
15:10:10 <sandro> zakim, ctic is temporarily martin
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ctic is temporarily martin ←
15:10:10 <Zakim> +martin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +martin; got it ←
15:10:19 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is talking? ←
15:10:23 <martin> Zakim, [CT is martin
Martín Álvarez: Zakim, [CT is martin ←
15:10:23 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '[CT'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '[CT' ←
15:10:31 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (37%)
Zakim IRC Bot: sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (37%) ←
15:10:51 <martin> Zakim, [CTIC] is martin
Martín Álvarez: Zakim, [CTIC] is martin ←
15:10:51 <Zakim> sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '[CTIC]'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, martin, I do not recognize a party named '[CTIC]' ←
15:11:08 <Daniel_Bennett_> aaee is Daniel Bennet and on mute only
Daniel Bennett: aaee is Daniel Bennet and on mute only ←
15:11:09 <fadi> cygri: we have an issue tracker now
Richard Cyganiak: we have an issue tracker now ←
15:11:16 <Daniel_Bennett_> Bennett
Daniel Bennett: Bennett ←
15:11:27 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page ←
15:11:53 <fadi> sandro: the link to the issue tracker can be found on http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page
Sandro Hawke: the link to the issue tracker can be found on http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Main_Page ←
15:12:22 <fadi> sandor: the issue tracker is for all egov Ig so we should label dcat issues
Scribe problem: the name 'sandor' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown sandor: the issue tracker is for all egov Ig so we should label dcat issues ←
15:12:25 <sandro> action-95?
15:12:25 <trackbot> ACTION-95 -- Sandro Hawke to move IG pages to mediawiki -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-95 -- Sandro Hawke to move IG pages to mediawiki -- due 2010-02-10 -- OPEN ←
15:12:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/95
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/95 ←
15:13:09 <fadi> sandro: follow the syntax direction as in http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/95
Sandro Hawke: follow the syntax direction as in http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/95 ←
15:13:54 <fadi> sandro: include issue id when exchanging related emails
Sandro Hawke: include issue id when exchanging related emails ←
15:14:02 <fadi> ... on the mailing list
... on the mailing list ←
15:14:04 <sandro> sandro: try to use syntax like "ISSUE-nnnn" in your e-mail so it gets indexed.
Sandro Hawke: try to use syntax like "ISSUE-nnnn" in your e-mail so it gets indexed. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:14:21 <sandro> topic: Name and Namespace
15:14:39 <cygri> http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat#
Richard Cyganiak: http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat# ←
15:14:43 <fadi> cygri: what namespace to use for dcat?
Richard Cyganiak: what namespace to use for dcat? ←
15:15:02 <fadi> cygri: the current namespace is http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat#
Richard Cyganiak: the current namespace is http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat# ←
15:15:36 <fadi> ... would it be possible to put it under W3C
... would it be possible to put it under W3C ←
15:15:42 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat ←
15:15:47 <fadi> cygri: is that possible sandro?
Richard Cyganiak: is that possible sandro? ←
15:15:54 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2010/dcat
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2010/dcat ←
15:15:55 <fadi> sandro: yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
15:16:01 <fadi> ... we have three options
... we have three options ←
15:16:12 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2010/05/dcat
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2010/05/dcat ←
15:16:16 <fadi> ... http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat
... http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat ←
15:16:31 <fadi> ... or http://www.w3.org/2010/dcat
... or http://www.w3.org/2010/dcat ←
15:16:41 <fadi> ... or http://www.w3.org/2010/05/dcat
... or http://www.w3.org/2010/05/dcat ←
15:16:44 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/data-catalog
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/data-catalog ←
15:16:55 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/ns/gov-data-catalog
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/ns/gov-data-catalog ←
15:17:10 <fadi> cygri: would we be able to host files do redirect?
Richard Cyganiak: would we be able to host files do redirect? ←
15:17:43 <fadi> sandro: not sure if we can delegate, but basically you can ask me to do so
Sandro Hawke: not sure if we can delegate, but basically you can ask me to do so ←
15:18:29 <george> yes - w3 would be great
George Thomas: yes - w3 would be great ←
15:18:30 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
15:18:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, george, Sandro, jonphipps (muted), Vassilios, martin, +1.202.449.aaee
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see kate_geyer, cygri, george, Sandro, jonphipps (muted), Vassilios, martin, +1.202.449.aaee ←
15:18:31 <fadi> cygri: opinions regarding the importance of namespace (deri.ie, w3c.org...)?
Richard Cyganiak: opinions regarding the importance of namespace (deri.ie, w3c.org...)? ←
15:18:32 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi
Zakim IRC Bot: cygri has cygri, fadi ←
15:18:51 <Daniel_Bennett_> aaee is Daniel Bennett
Daniel Bennett: aaee is Daniel Bennett ←
15:18:53 <jonphipps> I think it's important for legitimacy
Jon Phipps: I think it's important for legitimacy ←
15:18:59 <fadi> martin: prefer W3C namespace
Martín Álvarez: prefer W3C namespace ←
15:19:04 <jonphipps> +1 for w3 space
Jon Phipps: +1 for w3 space ←
15:20:04 <fadi> cygri: personally I prefer the ns one out of the three available options
Richard Cyganiak: personally I prefer the ns one out of the three available options ←
15:20:42 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat as namespace for this vocabulary
PROPOSED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat as namespace for this vocabulary ←
15:21:03 <martin> +1 (shorter option)
Martín Álvarez: +1 (shorter option) ←
15:21:07 <cygri> +1
Richard Cyganiak: +1 ←
15:21:09 <fadi> +1
+1 ←
15:21:10 <jonphipps> +1
Jon Phipps: +1 ←
15:21:15 <vassilios> +1
15:21:15 <sandro> PROPOSED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/(whatever) as namespace for this vocabulary
PROPOSED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/(whatever) as namespace for this vocabulary ←
15:21:15 <kate_geyer> +1
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jon Phipps Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown kate_geyer: +1 ←
15:21:24 <jonphipps> and I like the proposed ns
Jon Phipps: and I like the proposed ns ←
15:21:28 <fadi> cygri: we will discuss the dcat name next
Richard Cyganiak: we will discuss the dcat name next ←
15:21:33 <sandro> RESOLVED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/(whatever) as namespace for this vocabulary
RESOLVED: We'll use http://www.w3.org/ns/(whatever) as namespace for this vocabulary ←
15:21:34 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:22:18 <fadi> cygri: I will change the namespace of the vocabulary we have at deri
Richard Cyganiak: I will change the namespace of the vocabulary we have at deri ←
15:22:25 <fadi> ... but keep it there for now
... but keep it there for now ←
15:23:26 <fadi> ... mainly for convenience while editing the schema
... mainly for convenience while editing the schema ←
15:23:45 <fadi> ... as we already have a handy editor in place at vocab.deri.ie
... as we already have a handy editor in place at vocab.deri.ie ←
15:24:15 <fadi> ... once things are more stable we will move it to the w3c.org
... once things are more stable we will move it to the w3c.org ←
15:24:37 <fadi> sandro: I can easily keep copying what's on deri site to the w3c
Sandro Hawke: I can easily keep copying what's on deri site to the w3c ←
15:24:46 <cygri> http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat
Richard Cyganiak: http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ←
15:25:23 <fadi> cygri: I changed the namespace at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat
Richard Cyganiak: I changed the namespace at http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat ←
15:25:31 <fadi> to the wec.org one
to the wec.org one ←
15:25:51 <cygri> http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat.rdf
Richard Cyganiak: http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat.rdf ←
15:25:59 <fadi> cygri: is the RDF version sufficient for now?
Richard Cyganiak: is the RDF version sufficient for now? ←
15:26:29 <cygri> dcat
Richard Cyganiak: dcat ←
15:26:33 <fadi> cygri: dcat name capitalization?
Richard Cyganiak: dcat name capitalization? ←
15:26:38 <cygri> "Data Catalog Vocabulary"
Richard Cyganiak: "Data Catalog Vocabulary" ←
15:26:44 <fadi> ... we used to use the lowercase version
... we used to use the lowercase version ←
15:26:55 <fadi> ... but no strong reason for that
... but no strong reason for that ←
15:27:00 <fadi> ... any opinions?
... any opinions? ←
15:27:04 <sandro> +1 dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary (but others might be fine too)
Sandro Hawke: +1 dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary (but others might be fine too) ←
15:27:14 <george> +1 sandro
George Thomas: +1 sandro ←
15:27:15 <martin> +1 dcat "Data Catalog Vocabulary"
Martín Álvarez: +1 dcat "Data Catalog Vocabulary" ←
15:27:24 <kate_geyer> +1 dcat "Data Catalog Vocabulary"
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Unknown kate_geyer: +1 dcat "Data Catalog Vocabulary" ←
15:27:27 <jonphipps> +1 sandro
Jon Phipps: +1 sandro ←
15:27:40 <fadi> cygri: dcat stands for "Data Catalog Vocabulary"
Richard Cyganiak: dcat stands for "Data Catalog Vocabulary" ←
15:27:53 <sandro> PROPOSED: This is The dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary
PROPOSED: This is The dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary ←
15:28:01 <sandro> +1
Sandro Hawke: +1 ←
15:28:05 <george> +1
George Thomas: +1 ←
15:28:06 <cygri> +1!
Richard Cyganiak: +1! ←
15:28:09 <martin> +1
Martín Álvarez: +1 ←
15:28:10 <fadi> +1
+1 ←
15:28:11 <kate_geyer> +1
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Unknown kate_geyer: +1 ←
15:28:15 <jonphipps> +1
Jon Phipps: +1 ←
15:28:19 <sandro> RESOLVED: This is The dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary
RESOLVED: This is The dcat Data Catalog Vocabulary ←
15:28:38 <fadi> topic: usecases and requirements
15:28:56 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Use_Cases_and_Requirements ←
15:29:26 <fadi> cygri: on the wiki we have currently about 4 usecases and 10 requirements
Richard Cyganiak: on the wiki we have currently about 4 usecases and 10 requirements ←
15:30:13 <fadi> ... catalog federation has got some interest
... catalog federation has got some interest ←
15:30:23 <fadi> ... same for distributed publishing
... same for distributed publishing ←
15:30:35 <fadi> ... more than the other two
... more than the other two ←
15:30:38 <sandro> q+
Sandro Hawke: q+ ←
15:30:59 <fadi> ... which of these scenarios are more important?
... which of these scenarios are more important? ←
15:31:51 <fadi> sandro: confused about the difference between federation and distributed publishing
Sandro Hawke: confused about the difference between federation and distributed publishing ←
15:32:02 <fadi> ... both are about aggregation
... both are about aggregation ←
15:32:27 <fadi> ... if data.gov was not official, then both cases will be the same
... if data.gov was not official, then both cases will be the same ←
15:33:03 <fadi> cygri: in federation the assumption is that the federated catalog is an aggregation of other catalogs
Richard Cyganiak: in federation the assumption is that the federated catalog is an aggregation of other catalogs ←
15:33:16 <fadi> ... while in UC4 the catalog is aggregation of datasets
... while in UC4 the catalog is aggregation of datasets ←
15:34:12 <fadi> cygri: setting up a data catalog requires considerable effort
Richard Cyganiak: setting up a data catalog requires considerable effort ←
15:34:33 <fadi> ... distributed publishing makes it possible to publish the data just by listing it online
... distributed publishing makes it possible to publish the data just by listing it online ←
15:34:46 <fadi> ... without going the whole way of having a catalog
... without going the whole way of having a catalog ←
15:35:00 <fadi> sandro: we need to understand the difference better
Sandro Hawke: we need to understand the difference better ←
15:35:22 <fadi> ... we might go on now and try to refine them later
... we might go on now and try to refine them later ←
15:35:52 <fadi> cygri: maybe renaming/expanding usecases can help clarifying difference
Richard Cyganiak: maybe renaming/expanding usecases can help clarifying difference ←
15:36:15 <fadi> sandro: not sure whether we need to change the names now
Sandro Hawke: not sure whether we need to change the names now ←
15:36:38 <fadi> cygri: we will come back to it later
Richard Cyganiak: we will come back to it later ←
15:37:40 <fadi> cygri: does anyone see that one of usecases is interested?
Richard Cyganiak: does anyone see that one of usecases is interested? ←
15:37:48 <fadi> kate_geyer: UC2
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Unknown kate_geyer: UC2 ←
15:38:33 <fadi> ... mapping our catalog to dcat seams an implementation of UC2
... mapping our catalog to dcat seams an implementation of UC2 ←
15:38:55 <george> UC 1-2-3-4 are all good
George Thomas: UC 1-2-3-4 are all good ←
15:39:03 <martin> I find interesting all of 4 UC, but specially UC1 and UC2
Martín Álvarez: I find interesting all of 4 UC, but specially UC1 and UC2 ←
15:39:04 <fadi> ... we might have a combination of federation and distributing oublishing
... we might have a combination of federation and distributing oublishing ←
15:40:06 <fadi> cygri: in reality it will always be some combination of aggregation of datasets from both catalogs and
Richard Cyganiak: in reality it will always be some combination of aggregation of datasets from both catalogs and ←
15:40:21 <fadi> ... other websites that publish individual datasets
... other websites that publish individual datasets ←
15:40:45 <george> i'm actually in another meeting :)
George Thomas: i'm actually in another meeting :) ←
15:41:02 <sandro> pondering the term "downstream reuse"
Sandro Hawke: pondering the term "downstream reuse" ←
15:41:05 <fadi> martin: especially UC1, UC2 are interesting for us
Martín Álvarez: especially UC1, UC2 are interesting for us ←
15:42:10 <fadi> cygri: UC3 looks the least interesting while UC4 need some more clarification
Richard Cyganiak: UC3 looks the least interesting while UC4 need some more clarification ←
15:42:26 <fadi> cygri: any input regarding requirements?
Richard Cyganiak: any input regarding requirements? ←
15:43:11 <fadi> ... any missing one?
... any missing one? ←
15:43:13 <sandro> UC4 == dataset maintainer publishes catalog record; UC1 == Enabling Catalogs without action from dataset maintainers
Sandro Hawke: UC4 == dataset maintainer publishes catalog record; UC1 == Enabling Catalogs without action from dataset maintainers ←
15:43:40 <martin> I would add "Standard queries on metadata" (UC1, UC2,UC3)
Martín Álvarez: I would add "Standard queries on metadata" (UC1, UC2,UC3) ←
15:43:55 <fadi> martin: I would add "having standard queries"
Martín Álvarez: I would add "having standard queries" ←
15:44:28 <fadi> martin: like SPARQL, XQuery...
Martín Álvarez: like SPARQL, XQuery... ←
15:44:59 <fadi> cygri: you mean "it should be possible to query the data using SPARQL, XQuery..." ?
Richard Cyganiak: you mean "it should be possible to query the data using SPARQL, XQuery..." ? ←
15:45:05 <fadi> martin: yes
Martín Álvarez: yes ←
15:45:18 <Daniel_Bennett_> then people could create a list of common queries for use and auditing purposes
Daniel Bennett: then people could create a list of common queries for use and auditing purposes ←
15:45:25 <martin> I will update the wiki
Martín Álvarez: I will update the wiki ←
15:45:49 <sandro> action: martin to add requirement about querying using standard mechanism
ACTION: martin to add requirement about querying using standard mechanism ←
15:45:49 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - martin
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - martin ←
15:46:18 <sandro> action: mlvarez to add requirement about querying using standard mechanism
ACTION: mlvarez to add requirement about querying using standard mechanism ←
15:46:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-106 - Add requirement about querying using standard mechanism [on Martín Álvarez - due 2010-05-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-106 - Add requirement about querying using standard mechanism [on Martín Álvarez - due 2010-05-20]. ←
15:46:52 <sandro> action: Martín to (just testing)
ACTION: Martín to (just testing) ←
15:46:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-107 - (just testing) [on Martín Álvarez - due 2010-05-20].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-107 - (just testing) [on Martín Álvarez - due 2010-05-20]. ←
15:47:01 <sandro> drop action-107
Sandro Hawke: drop ACTION-107 ←
15:47:07 <sandro> action-107 closed
Sandro Hawke: ACTION-107 closed ←
15:47:07 <trackbot> ACTION-107 (just testing) closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-107 (just testing) closed ←
15:47:12 <fadi> cygri: next steps. we need to hear more from other group members
Richard Cyganiak: next steps. we need to hear more from other group members ←
15:47:39 <fadi> ... regarding requirement I got some private responses.
... regarding requirement I got some private responses. ←
15:47:56 <fadi> ... how to proceed? contacting potential users of the schema?
... how to proceed? contacting potential users of the schema? ←
15:48:39 <fadi> .... to make sure that thing that catalog publishers and consumers are covered
.... to make sure that thing that catalog publishers and consumers are covered ←
15:49:11 <fadi> sandro: I think we can go on publishing working draft
Sandro Hawke: I think we can go on publishing working draft ←
15:49:23 <fadi> ... then ask for approval
... then ask for approval ←
15:50:53 <fadi> ... may be we send to the mailing list for more comments
... may be we send to the mailing list for more comments ←
15:51:05 <Daniel_Bennett_> ping?
Daniel Bennett: ping? ←
15:51:16 <sandro> hi Daniel_Bennett_
Sandro Hawke: hi Daniel_Bennett_ ←
15:51:27 <fadi> ... I suggest renumbering them, put UC1 next to UC4
... I suggest renumbering them, put UC1 next to UC4 ←
15:51:31 <fadi> ... as they are related
... as they are related ←
15:51:47 <Daniel_Bennett_> hi sandro. just checking to see if i was still connected to IRC.
Daniel Bennett: hi sandro. just checking to see if i was still connected to IRC. ←
15:51:55 <fadi> cygri: I will try to reorder usecases and clarify them, especially UC1, UC4
Richard Cyganiak: I will try to reorder usecases and clarify them, especially UC1, UC4 ←
15:51:58 <sandro> you are, Daniel_Bennett_ :)
Sandro Hawke: you are, Daniel_Bennett_ :) ←
15:52:51 <fadi> cygri: I think we give people more time to provide some feedback. If we need more feedback, I think we go for some other options
Richard Cyganiak: I think we give people more time to provide some feedback. If we need more feedback, I think we go for some other options ←
15:53:06 <fadi> ... maybe some of the group chairs can help
... maybe some of the group chairs can help ←
15:53:32 <fadi> sandro: it is fine to contact potential users directly
Sandro Hawke: it is fine to contact potential users directly ←
15:54:00 <fadi> cygri: I will email people from RPI and Sunlight Labs regarding usecases and requirements
Richard Cyganiak: I will email people from RPI and Sunlight Labs regarding usecases and requirements ←
15:54:14 <george> ckan?
George Thomas: ckan? ←
15:54:18 <fadi> sandro: we need also to contact people from CKAN
Sandro Hawke: we need also to contact people from CKAN ←
15:54:58 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference
Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference ←
15:55:09 <fadi> cygri: we have migrated some of the reference materials we have to
Richard Cyganiak: we have migrated some of the reference materials we have to ←
15:55:17 <fadi> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/Vocabulary_Reference ←
15:55:41 <fadi> ... it is currently a work-in-progress and basically it is an initail list
... it is currently a work-in-progress and basically it is an initail list ←
15:55:57 <fadi> cygri: of classes and properties
Richard Cyganiak: of classes and properties ←
15:56:20 <fadi> ... feel free to contribute to the wiki page
... feel free to contribute to the wiki page ←
15:57:02 <fadi> ... I hope we can start reviewing this in 2-3 weeks
... I hope we can start reviewing this in 2-3 weeks ←
15:57:14 <fadi> cygri: do we need to have a meeting next week?
Richard Cyganiak: do we need to have a meeting next week? ←
15:57:38 <fadi> ... I would suggest we have a short one particularly to discuss usecases and requirements
... I would suggest we have a short one particularly to discuss usecases and requirements ←
15:58:30 <fadi> sandro: what about the discussion regarding vocabulary specific details?
Sandro Hawke: what about the discussion regarding vocabulary specific details? ←
15:58:37 <fadi> ... do we have to conduct it now?
... do we have to conduct it now? ←
15:59:20 <fadi> cygri: I do not think we can get ready to start discussing them next meeting
Richard Cyganiak: I do not think we can get ready to start discussing them next meeting ←
15:59:54 <fadi> ... the initial vocabulary reference still needs a lot of work
... the initial vocabulary reference still needs a lot of work ←
16:00:12 <fadi> ... to full the details, then we can proceed to more specific details
... to full the details, then we can proceed to more specific details ←
16:00:59 <george> thanks cygri, sandro and fadi!
George Thomas: thanks cygri, sandro and fadi! ←
16:01:01 <fadi> cygri: we hopefully finish the usecases discussion next week then we proceed to the vocabulary design
Richard Cyganiak: we hopefully finish the usecases discussion next week then we proceed to the vocabulary design ←
16:01:03 <kate_geyer> thanks!
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Unknown kate_geyer: thanks! ←
16:01:10 <Zakim> -kate_geyer
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16:01:12 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
16:01:13 <vassilios> thanks and bye
Vassilios Peristeras: thanks and bye ←
16:01:17 <cygri> thanks fadi for scribing!
Richard Cyganiak: thanks fadi for scribing! ←
16:01:17 <Zakim> -george
Zakim IRC Bot: -george ←
16:01:17 <jonphipps> Thanks!
Jon Phipps: Thanks! ←
16:01:18 <Zakim> -martin
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16:01:23 <Zakim> -cygri
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16:01:24 <Zakim> -jonphipps
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16:01:27 <Zakim> -Vassilios
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16:01:32 <Zakim> - +1.202.449.aaee
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16:01:33 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has ended
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16:01:34 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.617.619.aaaa, Sandro, kate_geyer, +03539149aabb, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc, fadi, george, +1.607.785.aadd, jonphipps, Vassilios, +1.202.449.aaee, martin
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were +1.617.619.aaaa, Sandro, kate_geyer, +03539149aabb, cygri, +1.202.690.aacc, fadi, george, +1.607.785.aadd, jonphipps, Vassilios, +1.202.449.aaee, martin ←
16:02:33 <fadi> sandro, how to proceed for generating the minutes?
sandro, how to proceed for generating the minutes? ←
16:05:05 <cygri> sandro, i'm looking at http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products, shouldn't there be a product for dcat now?
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, i'm looking at http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/products, shouldn't there be a product for dcat now? ←
16:05:39 <sandro> yes, weird.
Sandro Hawke: yes, weird. ←
16:05:43 <sandro> lets see.
Sandro Hawke: lets see. ←
16:06:25 <sandro> Okay, I added it again. Do you see it, when you refresh?
Sandro Hawke: Okay, I added it again. Do you see it, when you refresh? ←
16:07:23 <cygri> sandro i see it now. thanks!
Richard Cyganiak: sandro i see it now. thanks! ←
16:07:50 <sandro> fadi, look at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Chatlog_2010-05-13_Data_Catalog_Vocabulary See the "preview nicely formatted version" link? Try it.
Sandro Hawke: fadi, look at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Chatlog_2010-05-13_Data_Catalog_Vocabulary See the "preview nicely formatted version" link? Try it. ←
16:08:35 <fadi> sandro, I got this error while previewing
sandro, I got this error while previewing ←
16:08:37 <fadi> Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names.
Scribe problem: the name 'kate_geyer' does not match any of the 84 active names. ←
16:09:04 <sandro> RIght, so go back and edit http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Chatlog_2010-05-13_Data_Catalog_Vocabulary to add a line, "Guest: Kate Geyer"
Sandro Hawke: RIght, so go back and edit http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Chatlog_2010-05-13_Data_Catalog_Vocabulary to add a line, "Guest: Kate Geyer" ←
16:10:56 <sandro> cygri, I put a minimal http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat in place for now. I can't just copy the deri .html page because it has various deri branding, and links to styles and javascript.
Sandro Hawke: cygri, I put a minimal http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat in place for now. I can't just copy the deri .html page because it has various deri branding, and links to styles and javascript. ←
16:11:20 <cygri> sandro, yes that's why i was proposing to just copy the RDF for now
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, yes that's why i was proposing to just copy the RDF for now ←
16:11:51 <sandro> cygri, shall I copy the RDF? is it in a good state?
Sandro Hawke: cygri, shall I copy the RDF? is it in a good state? ←
16:12:11 <cygri> it's outdated but reasonable
Richard Cyganiak: it's outdated but reasonable ←
16:12:49 <cygri> well give me a minute to review it
Richard Cyganiak: well give me a minute to review it ←
16:13:05 <sandro> um, should i global search and replace "http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat" with "http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat" to? [sure, waiting]
Sandro Hawke: um, should i global search and replace "http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat" with "http://www.w3.org/ns/dcat" to? [sure, waiting] ←
16:19:05 <fadi> sandro, the preview looks fine now, should I save?
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sandro, the preview looks fine now, should I save? ←
16:20:50 <cygri> sandro, i tried to remove the remaining vocab.deri.ie references from the file but am hitting a bug in neologism (the hosting software). have manually fixed up the file and sent it via email
Richard Cyganiak: sandro, i tried to remove the remaining vocab.deri.ie references from the file but am hitting a bug in neologism (the hosting software). have manually fixed up the file and sent it via email ←
16:21:11 <cygri> i'll get the bug sorted out so that you can wget future versions directly
Richard Cyganiak: i'll get the bug sorted out so that you can wget future versions directly ←
16:32:54 <sandro> yes, fadi, go ahead and save.
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Sandro Hawke: yes, fadi, go ahead and save. ←
16:34:27 <sandro> cygri, what you mailed me still says <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat#CatalogRecord"> etc. shall I do the search/replace?
Sandro Hawke: cygri, what you mailed me still says <rdfs:Class rdf:about="http://vocab.deri.ie/dcat#CatalogRecord"> etc. shall I do the search/replace? ←
16:35:14 <cygri> damn
Richard Cyganiak: damn ←
16:35:27 <cygri> yes please do the search/replace
Richard Cyganiak: yes please do the search/replace ←
16:35:52 <fadi> sandro, I think it is ready now I will send an email in a minute
sandro, I think it is ready now I will send an email in a minute ←
16:35:55 <fadi> thanks sandro
thanks sandro ←
16:36:33 <cygri> there's some stupid caching bug in neologism
Richard Cyganiak: there's some stupid caching bug in neologism ←
16:36:39 <sandro> ah.
Sandro Hawke: ah. ←
16:36:54 <cygri> curl sees something different from what i see in the browser
Richard Cyganiak: curl sees something different from what i see in the browser ←
16:37:24 <cygri> sorry about that
Richard Cyganiak: sorry about that ←
16:37:42 <sandro> fadi, I updated http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-13 with a link to the minutes.
Sandro Hawke: fadi, I updated http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-13 with a link to the minutes. ←
16:44:28 <cygri> i've tweaked the uc&r page, moved UC4 up to UC2, changed the headlines, and added another sentence to the distrib publishing use case to clarify the difference
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Richard Cyganiak: i've tweaked the uc&r page, moved UC4 up to UC2, changed the headlines, and added another sentence to the distrib publishing use case to clarify the difference ←
16:45:23 <sandro> was it fun to rename the UCs in the Reqiirements section? that's always a fun search/replace problem 2->3 3->4 4->2 :-)
Sandro Hawke: was it fun to rename the UCs in the Reqiirements section? that's always a fun search/replace problem 2->3 3->4 4->2 :-) ←
16:46:06 <sandro> typo "Federating serval data"
Sandro Hawke: typo "Federating serval data" ←
16:47:10 <cygri> fixed. thanks sandro
Richard Cyganiak: fixed. thanks sandro ←
16:47:33 <sandro> How about "Federated and Third-Party Data Catalogs" for UC1 ? I think "central" is kind of misleading.
Sandro Hawke: How about "Federated and Third-Party Data Catalogs" for UC1 ? I think "central" is kind of misleading. ←
16:48:05 <cygri> good point
Richard Cyganiak: good point ←
16:49:12 <sandro> description of UC2 looks great.
Sandro Hawke: description of UC2 looks great. ←
16:50:41 <cygri> sandro: "Creating a federated catalog from multiple data catalogs" for UC1?
Sandro Hawke: "Creating a federated catalog from multiple data catalogs" for UC1? [ Scribe Assist by Richard Cyganiak ] ←
16:52:03 <sandro> That's pretty good. My hesitation is that "federated" sounds like something a government would do, but (as the text makes clear) it might be an NGO like Sunlight. Still, that's probably fine.
Sandro Hawke: That's pretty good. My hesitation is that "federated" sounds like something a government would do, but (as the text makes clear) it might be an NGO like Sunlight. Still, that's probably fine. ←
16:52:13 <cygri> "aggregated"?
Richard Cyganiak: "aggregated"? ←
16:53:50 <sandro> (thinking)
Sandro Hawke: (thinking) ←
16:54:34 <sandro> collected, downstream, ....
Sandro Hawke: collected, downstream, .... ←
16:54:52 <sandro> "Creating a catalog from other data catalogs" ?
Sandro Hawke: "Creating a catalog from other data catalogs" ? ←
16:59:27 <cygri> "Creating a combined catalog from multiple other data catalogs"?
Richard Cyganiak: "Creating a combined catalog from multiple other data catalogs"? ←
17:01:09 <sandro> Sure. I was thinking there's also the case here where someone might make a catalog of all the datasets around the world about, maybe, education. So it's not just aggregating but filtering. The word "combined" still fits but not as well. Still, good enough!!
Sandro Hawke: Sure. I was thinking there's also the case here where someone might make a catalog of all the datasets around the world about, maybe, education. So it's not just aggregating but filtering. The word "combined" still fits but not as well. Still, good enough!! ←
17:07:37 <cygri> yup, i guess the "combined catalog" use case together with the "query" use case give us the filtered catalog. i tweaked all four use case names
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Richard Cyganiak: yup, i guess the "combined catalog" use case together with the "query" use case give us the filtered catalog. i tweaked all four use case names ←
17:07:42 <cygri> this should do for now
Richard Cyganiak: this should do for now ←
17:07:55 <cygri> UC2 is now: "Including metadata published directly on agency web sites into catalogs"
Richard Cyganiak: UC2 is now: "Including metadata published directly on agency web sites into catalogs" ←
17:08:11 <cygri> quite a mouthful, but should make the difference clear
Richard Cyganiak: quite a mouthful, but should make the difference clear ←
17:08:13 <cygri> thanks sandro
Richard Cyganiak: thanks sandro ←
17:13:38 <sandro> yes, the titles are quite clear now. very good.
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Sandro Hawke: yes, the titles are quite clear now. very good. ←
17:15:04 <sandro> on uc3, does that include what Martin was saying -- Portable and advanced queries of catalog records ?
Sandro Hawke: on uc3, does that include what Martin was saying -- Portable and advanced queries of catalog records ? ←
17:16:56 <sandro> I'm not sure where the line of use case vs requirement is there. Maybe the use case is more like: Applications which query catalog records from many catalogs ?
Sandro Hawke: I'm not sure where the line of use case vs requirement is there. Maybe the use case is more like: Applications which query catalog records from many catalogs ? ←
17:17:49 <sandro> where 3 and 4 different in that in 3 the apps just use the catalog records and in 4 they use the datasets, too ?
Sandro Hawke: where 3 and 4 different in that in 3 the apps just use the catalog records and in 4 they use the datasets, too ? ←
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