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Minutes of 06 May 2010

Agenda
http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06
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David James, Ed Summers, Fadi Maali, Luigi Montanez, Richard Cyganiak, Sandro Hawke, Unknown jonphipps, Unknown lindstream
Chair
Richard Cyganiak
Scribe
Sandro Hawke
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. We focus our work for now on the vocabulary, at least until we have it published, at the same time we should work on use cases and requirements in parallel. Issues around feeds/notification are postponed a bit. Deliverables for now are UCR and Schema. When they're published, we'll revisit list of deliverables. link
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14:43:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/05/06-egov-irc

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14:43:55 <sandro> rrsagent, make log public

Sandro Hawke: rrsagent, make log public

14:44:03 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

Sandro Hawke: zakim, this will be egov

14:44:03 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM scheduled to start 44 minutes ago

14:44:12 <sandro> chair: cygri
14:44:15 <sandro> scribe: sandro

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14:44:19 <sandro> meeting: DCAT
14:44:44 <sandro> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06
14:44:54 <sandro> Topic: DCAT 6 May, http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06

1. DCAT 6 May, http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06

14:45:04 <sandro> grrr, I meant /topic

grrr, I meant /topic

14:45:11 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: DCAT 6 May, http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06

sandro has changed the topic to: DCAT 6 May, http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary/2010-05-06

14:58:00 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(LD TECH)10:00AM has now started

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14:58:09 <Zakim> +Sandro

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14:59:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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15:00:00 <edsu> zakim, IPcaller is edsu

Ed Summers: zakim, IPcaller is edsu

15:00:03 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

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15:02:57 <Zakim> +jonphipps

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15:04:18 <Zakim> +cygri

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15:04:22 <Zakim> +??P7

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15:05:20 <sandro> zakim, ??P7 is lindstream

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15:05:20 <Zakim> +lindstream; got it

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15:07:40 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

zakim, who is on the call?

15:07:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, edsu, jonphipps, cygri, lindstream

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, edsu, jonphipps, cygri, lindstream

15:08:04 <cygri> zakim, fadi is with me

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, fadi is with me

15:08:04 <Zakim> +fadi; got it

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15:09:30 <LuigiMontanez> sorry, we will be joining shortly

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15:11:17 <Zakim> +LuigiMontanez

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15:12:26 <cygri> zakim, who is here?

Richard Cyganiak: zakim, who is here?

15:12:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, edsu, jonphipps, cygri, lindstream, LuigiMontanez

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15:12:29 <Zakim> cygri has cygri, fadi

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15:12:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see LuigiMontanez_, kate_geyer, jonphipps, fadi, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, cygri, LuigiMontanez, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see LuigiMontanez_, kate_geyer, jonphipps, fadi, lindstream, RRSAgent, Zakim, cygri, LuigiMontanez, hughb, ww, edsu, sandro, trackbot

15:12:46 <sandro> topic: Admin

2. Admin

15:13:01 <sandro> cygri: Looks like no one new today.

Richard Cyganiak: Looks like no one new today.

15:13:27 <sandro> ... fourth meeting.     We need to be having scribes.   Sandro's doing again today, then Fadi will do it, then please we need volunteers.

... fourth meeting. We need to be having scribes. Sandro's doing again today, then Fadi will do it, then please we need volunteers.

15:13:40 <sandro> ... please get comfortable with the idea of scribing.

... please get comfortable with the idea of scribing.

15:14:28 <sandro> ... Three things today: use cases and requirements;  scheduling some more presentations; namespace for rdf vocab

... Three things today: use cases and requirements; scheduling some more presentations; namespace for rdf vocab

15:14:53 <sandro> ... (and maybe name -- all lower case, all upper, etc.)

... (and maybe name -- all lower case, all upper, etc.)

15:15:04 <sandro> topic: Scheduling presentations of relevant related work
15:15:42 <sandro> cygri: Questions around synchronization and notification-of-updates.    seems to be in scope, some solution is required, so we should hear from people doing work in this area.

Richard Cyganiak: Questions around synchronization and notification-of-updates. seems to be in scope, some solution is required, so we should hear from people doing work in this area.

15:16:03 <sandro> ... maybe Dataset Dynamics (dady) group

... maybe Dataset Dynamics (dady) group

15:16:18 <sandro> ... it'd be good to hear their thoughts.

... it'd be good to hear their thoughts.

15:16:52 <sandro> ... Also, we've been talking about using Atom for data catalogs.   Maybe we can map dcat into atom feeds, as surface syntax.

... Also, we've been talking about using Atom for data catalogs. Maybe we can map dcat into atom feeds, as surface syntax.

15:17:02 <sandro> ... Would it be for updates?  Or would it be the API?

... Would it be for updates? Or would it be the API?

15:17:30 <sandro> ... If the latter, then we'd need to use some Atom Extensions, like feed paging and feed archives and tombstones.

... If the latter, then we'd need to use some Atom Extensions, like feed paging and feed archives and tombstones.

15:17:45 <sandro> ... It would be good to hear from someone familiar with these concepts

... It would be good to hear from someone familiar with these concepts

15:18:05 <sandro> ... RDFa 1.1 may also have some features that would make RDFa a more realistic options here.

... RDFa 1.1 may also have some features that would make RDFa a more realistic options here.

15:18:08 <sandro> q+

q+

15:18:51 <sandro> ... for the next 1-2 meetings we could have short presentations from folks working on this stuff.   Volunteers or candidates to present?

... for the next 1-2 meetings we could have short presentations from folks working on this stuff. Volunteers or candidates to present?

15:20:19 <sandro> sandro: I would hate to see dcat say you have to use atom -- these seem like orthogonal technologies.

Sandro Hawke: I would hate to see dcat say you have to use atom -- these seem like orthogonal technologies.

15:20:50 <sandro> cygri: two things -- the dcat vocabulary (all sorts of ways to use and deploy)

Richard Cyganiak: two things -- the dcat vocabulary (all sorts of ways to use and deploy)

15:21:03 <edsu> q+ to ask sandro about rdf serialization

Ed Summers: q+ to ask sandro about rdf serialization

15:21:38 <sandro> ... but also some need for specific recommendations on deploying dcat in practice; eg for federation of data catalogs.      Can't be done JUST by declaring a vocab.   Need more guidance.

... but also some need for specific recommendations on deploying dcat in practice; eg for federation of data catalogs. Can't be done JUST by declaring a vocab. Need more guidance.

15:22:17 <sandro> ... maybe the first outcome is the vocab, but to have really solved the problem we need more than just the vocab.    we'll need some guidance beyond that.

... maybe the first outcome is the vocab, but to have really solved the problem we need more than just the vocab. we'll need some guidance beyond that.

15:22:36 <sandro> ... I don't know if dady, sparql, atom, etc, has the right solution there.

... I don't know if dady, sparql, atom, etc, has the right solution there.

15:23:05 <sandro> ... So I see that as the next step after teasing out the use cases and nailed down the vocabulary.

... So I see that as the next step after teasing out the use cases and nailed down the vocabulary.

15:24:07 <sandro> sandro: I'm worried about getting lost in this space before nailing down the vocabulary, but yes, I see the need for guidance for the community.

Sandro Hawke: I'm worried about getting lost in this space before nailing down the vocabulary, but yes, I see the need for guidance for the community.

15:24:29 <sandro> cygri: an RDF-only solutluon could be awkward for some of the publishers we care about.

Richard Cyganiak: an RDF-only solutluon could be awkward for some of the publishers we care about.

15:24:38 <sandro> ... we have to strike a balance.

... we have to strike a balance.

15:24:43 <sandro> +1

+1

15:24:47 <sandro> q/

q/

15:24:50 <sandro> q?

q?

15:24:53 <sandro> q-

q-

15:24:54 <lindstream> q+ distiction between a dataset and a catalogue (and updates from them)

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Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 83 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: q+ distiction between a dataset and a catalogue (and updates from them)

15:25:09 <sandro> queue=edsu, lindstream

queue=edsu, lindstream

15:25:25 <sandro> ack edsu

ack edsu

15:26:08 <sandro> edsu: Sandro, would you be perfectly happy with the output of this group being an RDF vocabulary?

Ed Summers: Sandro, would you be perfectly happy with the output of this group being an RDF vocabulary?

15:27:17 <sandro> sandro: Yes.     Sync is important, but needs a different community.

Sandro Hawke: Yes. Sync is important, but needs a different community.

15:28:37 <sandro> edsu: I don't think RDF-only works.

Ed Summers: I don't think RDF-only works.

15:29:40 <sandro> (i can't scribe what you just said ed)

(i can't scribe what you just said ed)

15:30:15 <sandro> (because i can't figure out what you're talking about.)

(because i can't figure out what you're talking about.)

15:30:55 <sandro> edsu; i agree that having an RDF vocabulary is important.

edsu; i agree that having an RDF vocabulary is important.

15:30:57 <DavidJames> i have a question about the agenda (makes sense after this discussion)

David James: i have a question about the agenda (makes sense after this discussion)

15:32:41 <Zakim> -lindstream

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15:32:44 <sandro> sandro; i think basing this on the RDF model is the best way to get interoperability.

Sandro Hawke: i think basing this on the RDF model is the best way to get interoperability.

15:33:13 <sandro> s/sandro;/sandro:/
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15:33:54 <DavidJames> I'm not sure if it made it on the agenda for today, but during the last call we had planned to vote to see if our group wanted to support http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

David James: I'm not sure if it made it on the agenda for today, but during the last call we had planned to vote to see if our group wanted to support http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Apr/0083.html

15:34:01 <sandro> zakim, ??P7 is lindstream

zakim, ??P7 is lindstream

15:34:01 <Zakim> +lindstream; got it

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15:34:04 <sandro> ack lindstream

ack lindstream

15:34:45 <sandro> lindstream: relationship between dcat and datasets in general; how it relates to void and dady

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Unknown lindstream: relationship between dcat and datasets in general; how it relates to void and dady

15:35:07 <sandro> cygri: It would be great to have dady folks tell us about it.

Richard Cyganiak: It would be great to have dady folks tell us about it.

15:35:35 <sandro> ... in terms of void -- that's about descibing RDF datasets, which dcat is for describing government data catalogs.

... in terms of void -- that's about descibing RDF datasets, which dcat is for describing government data catalogs.

15:36:16 <sandro> ... I'm talking to void folks about how to make this relationship clearer

... I'm talking to void folks about how to make this relationship clearer

15:36:17 <sandro> q?

q?

15:37:17 <sandro> lindstream: If you use dcat to describe a dataset you're creating a new (RDF) dataset, which you could describe with VOID.

Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 83 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: If you use dcat to describe a dataset you're creating a new (RDF) dataset, which you could describe with VOID.

15:37:35 <sandro> ... so that could be used to discover how a data catalog is updated.

... so that could be used to discover how a data catalog is updated.

15:38:08 <sandro> cygri: Yeah, important to get dady person on call.

Richard Cyganiak: Yeah, important to get dady person on call.

15:38:13 <sandro> ack DavidJames

ack DavidJames

15:38:40 <sandro> DavidJames: i was hoping for a vote count on the requirements

David James: i was hoping for a vote count on the requirements

15:38:56 <sandro> +1 to talking about requirements (instead of arguing about RDF)  :-)

+1 to talking about requirements (instead of arguing about RDF) :-)

15:39:54 <sandro> cygri: I thought we had consensus on the deliverables.

Richard Cyganiak: I thought we had consensus on the deliverables.

15:40:07 <sandro> sandro: It can be nice to have +1 on the record

Sandro Hawke: It can be nice to have +1 on the record

15:40:14 <cygri> http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary#Deliverables

Richard Cyganiak: http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary#Deliverables

15:40:29 <lindstream> also: I think void *can* describe basically any dataset (since any dataset *could* be expressed in rdf. not necessarily *should*.)

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Unknown also: I think void *can* describe basically any dataset (since any dataset *could* be expressed in rdf. not necessarily *should*.) [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

15:41:20 <edsu> DavidJames: thanks for bringing that back up, it does help to vote on this stuff

David James: thanks for bringing that back up, it does help to vote on this stuff [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ]

15:41:31 <lindstream> +q

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Scribe problem: the name 'lindstream' does not match any of the 83 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brad Cox Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David James David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Fadi Maali Gannon Dick George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jamal Shahin James Hendler Javier de la Cueva Jeremiah Albrant John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Montanez Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mike Bergman Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Richard Cyganiak Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown lindstream: +q

15:41:33 <sandro> (pause for people to look at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary#Deliverables )

(pause for people to look at http://www.w3.org/egov/wiki/Data_Catalog_Vocabulary#Deliverables )

15:42:07 <cygri> ack lindstream

Richard Cyganiak: ack lindstream

15:42:20 <edsu> q+ about api

Ed Summers: q+ about api

15:42:31 <sandro> lindstream: A Data Catalog API -- would that be *suggested*, one of many possible ones?

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Unknown lindstream: A Data Catalog API -- would that be *suggested*, one of many possible ones?

15:42:34 <DavidJames> I generally like the statement of deliverables; however the part of "data catalog API" is a little vague

David James: I generally like the statement of deliverables; however the part of "data catalog API" is a little vague

15:43:00 <sandro> cygri: Maybe we want to document multiple ways?   Atom + RDF ?

Richard Cyganiak: Maybe we want to document multiple ways? Atom + RDF ?

15:43:11 <sandro> cygri: can we agree on good way of doing it?

Richard Cyganiak: can we agree on good way of doing it?

15:43:30 <sandro> q?

q?

15:43:43 <sandro> queue=edsu

queue=edsu

15:44:30 <DavidJames> I would recommend that we start with the first two points, those are clear to be. And I think they are easy to understand. Those would be good first steps.

David James: I would recommend that we start with the first two points, those are clear to be. And I think they are easy to understand. Those would be good first steps.

15:44:36 <sandro> edsu: The word "API" has bad connotations for me.

Ed Summers: The word "API" has bad connotations for me.

15:44:38 <sandro> +1 DavidJames

+1 DavidJames

15:44:46 <DavidJames> I meant "clear to me" instead of "clear to be". sorry

David James: I meant "clear to me" instead of "clear to be". sorry

15:45:14 <lindstream> suggestion: Data Catalog "REST practise(s)"?

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Unknown suggestion: Data Catalog "REST practise(s)"? [ Scribe Assist by Unknown lindstream ]

15:45:22 <sandro> edsu: Because we're using the Web, and the that's kind of the API

Ed Summers: Because we're using the Web, and the that's kind of the API

15:45:47 <DavidJames> I agree with edsu in the sense that "API" is a little misleading of a term here

David James: I agree with edsu in the sense that "API" is a little misleading of a term here

15:45:53 <sandro> edsu: the fourth deliverable, the Resource Guide, those would be good to have, but don't need to have the full wait.

Ed Summers: the fourth deliverable, the Resource Guide, those would be good to have, but don't need to have the full wait.

15:46:05 <sandro> edsu: Let's remove DC APIs from that list.

Ed Summers: Let's remove DC APIs from that list.

15:46:06 <DavidJames> I agree with removing Data Catalog API from the list

David James: I agree with removing Data Catalog API from the list

15:46:10 <sandro> +1 remove it

+1 remove it

15:46:36 <sandro> edsu: As long as tutorials includes expressing dcat in RDFa, JSON, etc.

Ed Summers: As long as tutorials includes expressing dcat in RDFa, JSON, etc.

15:47:09 <lindstream> we need a "conceptual hub" for the practises. whatever that is...

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Unknown lindstream: we need a "conceptual hub" for the practises. whatever that is...

15:47:16 <sandro> cygri: Value in these options.   If we declare 10 ways of doing dcat, then that could be a problem.

Richard Cyganiak: Value in these options. If we declare 10 ways of doing dcat, then that could be a problem.

15:47:41 <sandro> cygri: maybe we can reduce this to two options, we'd be doing a favor to users.

Richard Cyganiak: maybe we can reduce this to two options, we'd be doing a favor to users.

15:48:38 <sandro> edsu: For developers, the more choices, the less likely to figure out the best way to do it.

Ed Summers: For developers, the more choices, the less likely to figure out the best way to do it.

15:49:04 <sandro> edsu: On the other hand, if all choices are RDF, maybe folks will lose interest.

Ed Summers: On the other hand, if all choices are RDF, maybe folks will lose interest.

15:50:00 <sandro> sandro: How about we agree UCR, Schema, and RG are three good deliverables to start with?

Sandro Hawke: How about we agree UCR, Schema, and RG are three good deliverables to start with?

15:50:25 <sandro> q- edsu

q- edsu

15:50:47 <sandro> cygri: For API, I was thinking of some particular set of serialization formats and approaches to notifications/feeds.

Richard Cyganiak: For API, I was thinking of some particular set of serialization formats and approaches to notifications/feeds.

15:51:16 <DavidJames> cygri: does your bullet point about API refers to this snippet? "The central catalog must somehow be able to discover newly published datasets on an agency's web site, e.g., by crawling or by receiving an automated notification from the agency. There also has to be a way of notifying about changes to the metadata."

Richard Cyganiak: does your bullet point about API refers to this snippet? "The central catalog must somehow be able to discover newly published datasets on an agency's web site, e.g., by crawling or by receiving an automated notification from the agency. There also has to be a way of notifying about changes to the metadata." [ Scribe Assist by David James ]

15:51:16 <lindstream> q+ for the orthogonal pieces, see e.g. http://code.google.com/p/court/wiki/Timelines

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Unknown lindstream: q+ for the orthogonal pieces, see e.g. http://code.google.com/p/court/wiki/Timelines

15:51:20 <sandro> cygri: A well-defined and well-documented way to figured out what's in the catalog and how to track its updates.

cygri, A well-defined and well-documented way to figured out what's in the catalog and how to track its updates.

15:51:36 <sandro> s/cygri:/cygri,/
15:52:02 <sandro> edsu: Isn't GET the API you need?

Ed Summers: Isn't GET the API you need?

15:52:31 <sandro> DavidJames: I like the distributed processing sections -- the central catalog must be able to discover newly published datasets and learn about changes to the data.

David James: I like the distributed processing sections -- the central catalog must be able to discover newly published datasets and learn about changes to the data.

15:52:50 <sandro> cygri: The "notification" bit requires more than just GET.

Richard Cyganiak: The "notification" bit requires more than just GET.

15:53:17 <sandro> cygri: which datasets changed today

Richard Cyganiak: which datasets changed today

15:53:26 <sandro> cygri: Incremental updates.

Richard Cyganiak: Incremental updates.

15:53:35 <DavidJames> right, i think this is important

David James: right, i think this is important

15:53:37 <sandro> cygri: feed, ping, something.

Richard Cyganiak: feed, ping, something.

15:53:40 <edsu> ok, i'm with you there

Ed Summers: ok, i'm with you there

15:53:51 <sandro> cygri: That goes beyond just an RDF vocab.

Richard Cyganiak: That goes beyond just an RDF vocab.

15:53:52 <sandro> q?

q?

15:53:56 <sandro> ack DavidJames

ack DavidJames

15:54:08 <sandro> DavidJames: i do like that we talk about that problem and try to reach consensus on it.

David James: i do like that we talk about that problem and try to reach consensus on it.

15:54:22 <sandro> ... I'm okay with nailing down the first points, then returning to this.

... I'm okay with nailing down the first points, then returning to this.

15:54:24 <jonphipps> wrt publish/subscribe and notification/distribution methods there are quite a few APIs already out there

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Unknown jonphipps: wrt publish/subscribe and notification/distribution methods there are quite a few APIs already out there

15:54:28 <sandro> +1 nail down the first two first.

+1 nail down the first two first.

15:54:31 <cygri> q?

Richard Cyganiak: q?

15:55:02 <sandro> lindstream: I agree, nail first two down first.   It's a very general topic for anyone publishing data on the web.

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Unknown lindstream: I agree, nail first two down first. It's a very general topic for anyone publishing data on the web.

15:55:14 <edsu> q? suggest we should update bullet point 3 to talk about updates/synchronization instead of API

Ed Summers: q? suggest we should update bullet point 3 to talk about updates/synchronization instead of API

15:55:27 <sandro> lindstream: The question we should come back to:  should dcat define this practice?   or list some practices, maybe recommend them?>

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Unknown lindstream: The question we should come back to: should dcat define this practice? or list some practices, maybe recommend them?>

15:56:14 <sandro> cygri: In a perfect world, I imagaine we'd figure out (ah ha!) there is an easy mechanism that uses established technologies we can just employ to meet our requirements.   if you use this, you'll be fine.

Richard Cyganiak: In a perfect world, I imagaine we'd figure out (ah ha!) there is an easy mechanism that uses established technologies we can just employ to meet our requirements. if you use this, you'll be fine.

15:56:30 <sandro> cygri: It may be we need to invent/define these bits, though.

Richard Cyganiak: It may be we need to invent/define these bits, though.

15:56:46 <sandro> ... I'd prefer not to define new stuff beyond the vocab.

... I'd prefer not to define new stuff beyond the vocab.

15:56:52 <sandro> q?

q?

15:56:55 <sandro> ack lindstream

ack lindstream

15:56:55 <Zakim> lindstream, you wanted to discuss the orthogonal pieces, see e.g. http://code.google.com/p/court/wiki/Timelines

Zakim IRC Bot: lindstream, you wanted to discuss the orthogonal pieces, see e.g. http://code.google.com/p/court/wiki/Timelines

15:57:17 <sandro> q+ to say I'd object to spec'ing new protocols or formats

q+ to say I'd object to spec'ing new protocols or formats

15:57:34 <sandro> cygri: here's one way of doing it....

Richard Cyganiak: here's one way of doing it....

15:58:33 <sandro> lindstream: From my perspective, about timelines, we used that for legal info system.   Dead simple.  Atom, ... tombstones, most entries contain RDF.

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Unknown lindstream: From my perspective, about timelines, we used that for legal info system. Dead simple. Atom, ... tombstones, most entries contain RDF.

15:58:36 <sandro> q-

q-

15:58:47 <sandro> cygri: Sounds great.

Richard Cyganiak: Sounds great.

15:59:14 <sandro> cygri: do you know how this compares to what's going on in dady?

Richard Cyganiak: do you know how this compares to what's going on in dady?

16:00:07 <lindstream> +1 extend

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Unknown lindstream: +1 extend

16:00:09 <sandro> +1

+1

16:00:09 <edsu> +1

Ed Summers: +1

16:00:18 <DavidJames> +1

David James: +1

16:00:20 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

16:00:41 <sandro> q+

q+

16:01:11 <sandro> q+ to propose we let feed issues wait until after we publish a vocab spec

q+ to propose we let feed issues wait until after we publish a vocab spec

16:02:01 <sandro> lindstream: we could ask them; I haven't compiled the options, just used Atom.

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Unknown lindstream: we could ask them; I haven't compiled the options, just used Atom.

16:02:38 <sandro> cygri: maybe wait until we have our list of requirements.

Richard Cyganiak: maybe wait until we have our list of requirements.

16:03:35 <DavidJames> I agree with sandro

David James: I agree with sandro

16:04:03 <lindstream> the vocab is the "what", the rest is the "how"

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Unknown lindstream: the vocab is the "what", the rest is the "how"

16:04:33 <DavidJames> To be more specific, I think we should get the vocabulary out first. We can always come back to changesets / updates / syndication

David James: To be more specific, I think we should get the vocabulary out first. We can always come back to changesets / updates / syndication

16:04:59 <sandro> edsu: People need these updates

Ed Summers: People need these updates

16:05:25 <sandro> sandro: It can be a requirement; let's just do the vocab first.

Sandro Hawke: It can be a requirement; let's just do the vocab first.

16:06:18 <sandro> cygri: we can do the vocab independently, but we'll need to work with others on the sync protocol.

Richard Cyganiak: we can do the vocab independently, but we'll need to work with others on the sync protocol.

16:06:33 <sandro> +1 (to put it mildly)

+1 (to put it mildly)

16:06:59 <sandro> cygri: So maybe it makes sense to focus our work on the vocab, while having a conversation with other groups on syndications/notification/update.

Richard Cyganiak: So maybe it makes sense to focus our work on the vocab, while having a conversation with other groups on syndications/notification/update.

16:07:48 <sandro> sandro: I think it would be a real mistake to have to solve the syndication problem before publishing the vocab.

Sandro Hawke: I think it would be a real mistake to have to solve the syndication problem before publishing the vocab.

16:07:54 <DavidJames> I think syndication / changesets are "In scope" for later. (as a matter of phasing as someone said)

David James: I think syndication / changesets are "In scope" for later. (as a matter of phasing as someone said)

16:07:56 <sandro> edsu: then why do we even need this call?

Ed Summers: then why do we even need this call?

16:08:04 <lindstream> the "orthogonality" leakage is dcat:distribution ...

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Unknown lindstream: the "orthogonality" leakage is dcat:distribution ...

16:08:30 <sandro> q+ weekly call

q+ weekly call

16:08:36 <sandro> q?

q?

16:08:51 <sandro> zakim?

zakim?

16:09:36 <DavidJames> I think the vocabulary can be developed over the next several weeks. (i agree with sandro)

David James: I think the vocabulary can be developed over the next several weeks. (i agree with sandro)

16:09:52 <DavidJames> a lot will happen offline, in email, etc.

David James: a lot will happen offline, in email, etc.

16:10:28 <DavidJames> but i think the call will also useful

David James: but i think the call will also useful

16:11:00 <sandro> DavidJames: Let's have a vote/statement.

David James: Let's have a vote/statement.

16:13:10 <sandro> PROPOSED: We focus our work for now on the vocabulary, at least until we have it published, at the same time we should work on use cases and requirements in parallel.   Issues around feeds/notification are postponed a bit.    Deliverables for now are UCR and Schema.   When they're published, we'll revisit list of deliverables.

PROPOSED: We focus our work for now on the vocabulary, at least until we have it published, at the same time we should work on use cases and requirements in parallel. Issues around feeds/notification are postponed a bit. Deliverables for now are UCR and Schema. When they're published, we'll revisit list of deliverables.

16:13:38 <sandro> +1

+1

16:13:42 <cygri> +1

Richard Cyganiak: +1

16:13:43 <DavidJames> +1

David James: +1

16:13:43 <fadi> +1

Fadi Maali: +1

16:13:44 <lindstream> +1

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Unknown lindstream: +1

16:13:44 <LuigiMontanez> +1

Luigi Montanez: +1

16:13:49 <jonphipps> +1

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Unknown jonphipps: +1

16:13:56 <edsu> abstain # yeah

Ed Summers: abstain # yeah

16:14:13 <sandro> RESOLVED: We focus our work for now on the vocabulary, at least until we have it published, at the same time we should work on use cases and requirements in parallel.   Issues around feeds/notification are postponed a bit.    Deliverables for now are UCR and Schema.   When they're published, we'll revisit list of deliverables.

RESOLVED: We focus our work for now on the vocabulary, at least until we have it published, at the same time we should work on use cases and requirements in parallel. Issues around feeds/notification are postponed a bit. Deliverables for now are UCR and Schema. When they're published, we'll revisit list of deliverables.

16:14:32 <sandro> lindstream: I do, absolutely, want to come back to these other two.

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Unknown lindstream: I do, absolutely, want to come back to these other two.

16:14:36 <DavidJames> i agree that we want to come back to the other deliverables (as do others)

David James: i agree that we want to come back to the other deliverables (as do others)

16:14:37 <sandro> cygri: as do I.

Richard Cyganiak: as do I.

16:15:19 <sandro> cygri: Everyone, please look again at UCR document, and comment on mailing list.

Richard Cyganiak: Everyone, please look again at UCR document, and comment on mailing list.

16:15:46 <DavidJames> thanks everybody

David James: thanks everybody

16:15:51 <LuigiMontanez> thanks cygri, sandro for transcribing

Luigi Montanez: thanks cygri, sandro for transcribing

16:15:52 <sandro> ADJOURN

ADJOURN

16:17:42 <lindstream> thanks all.

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Unknown lindstream: thanks all.



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