13:58:30 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/03/03-egov-irc

13:58:36 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov

13:58:36 <Zakim> "egov" matches T&S_EGOV(DMngmnt)8:00AM, and T&S_EGOV()9:00AM, sandro

13:58:48 <sandro> zakim, this will be egov()

13:58:48 <Zakim> ok, sandro; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes

13:58:55 <sandro> rrsagent, make log public

13:59:02 <sandro> chair: Kevin_Novak

13:59:46 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

13:59:53 <Zakim> +Cory

13:59:59 <sandro> sandro has changed the topic to: eGov IG http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Mar/0002.html

14:01:02 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett

14:01:29 <Zakim> +Sandro

14:02:40 <Zakim> +CarlosI

14:02:46 <josema> zakim, CarlosI is me

14:02:46 <Zakim> +josema; got it

14:04:23 <Zakim> +[LC]

14:04:31 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu

14:04:31 <Zakim> +edsu; got it

14:04:43 <Daniel_Bennett> all quiet on the telephone front

14:05:22 <Zakim> -josema

14:06:52 <Zakim> + +03498429aaaa

14:06:58 <josema> zakim, aaaa is me

14:06:58 <Zakim> +josema; got it

14:07:13 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb

14:08:02 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Kevin

14:08:02 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it

14:08:07 <sandro> zakim, who is on the phone?

14:08:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, edsu, josema, Kevin

14:09:18 <Zakim> +Rachel

14:10:45 <edsu> josema: i think i may hav run into ruben in the bar maybe :-)

14:10:46 <josema> zakim, mute me

14:10:46 <Zakim> josema should now be muted

14:10:59 <josema> @edsu: ah, yes, good :)

14:13:09 <Daniel_Bennett> and Daniel

14:13:34 <josema> http://fose.com/events/fose-2010-paid-conference/sessions/tuesday/gt2.aspx

14:14:58 <josema> http://www.gov2expo.com/gov2expo2010/public/schedule/detail/12921

14:15:07 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aacc

14:15:53 <Daniel_Bennett> josh tauberer

14:16:06 <josema> and is josh on the call?

14:17:10 <josema> zakim, aacc is probably brian

14:17:10 <Zakim> +brian?; got it

14:17:19 <edsu> awesome, josh is a wg member now?

14:17:46 <sandro> Cory, you said last meeting that you'd scribe this one....    http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/meeting/2010-02-17#line0075

14:17:59 <Daniel_Bennett> fyi http://legalinformaticsresearch.ning.com/

14:18:14 <Zakim> -brian?

14:18:15 <josema> I don't think so, according to http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42481&public=1

14:18:26 <josema> I know he reads the list since quite some time though

14:18:39 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aadd - is perhaps brian?

14:19:51 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

14:20:02 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Daniel_Bennett (42%), Kevin (28%), brian? (23%)

14:21:38 <josema>  zakim, who's here?

14:21:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, edsu, josema (muted), Kevin, Rachel, brian? (muted)

14:21:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see annew, Rachel, edsu, Cory, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, hughb, mhausenblas, trackbot, sandro

14:21:43 <josema> ack me

14:22:18 <josema> scribe: Cory

14:23:13 <josema> zakim, mute me

14:23:13 <Zakim> josema should now be muted

14:23:35 <edsu> got to hear john sheridan talk about data.gov.uk at the 2nd linked data london meetup last week: mentioned URI Design for UK Gov't: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/308995/public_sector_uri.pdf

14:24:40 <josema> nice doc, we've been using it at CTIC, recommend people to read it

14:25:26 <sandro> omg URL vs URI vs IRI.  :-(

14:25:51 <Cory> Micheal, Karen Myers continues to look for outreach potential.

14:26:21 <josema> s/Micheal/Michelle, Vera

14:27:11 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/egov/IG/track/actions/open

14:27:59 <edsu> btw, anyone else interested in general overview of Linked Data London meetup last week, Pete Johnston of dublincore.org wrote up a nice overview http://efoundations.typepad.com/efoundations/2010/02/the-2nd-linked-data-london-meetup-trying-to-bridge-a-gap.html

14:28:02 <josema> writing such a doc must be tough, convincing the government to implement it is tougher ;)

14:29:01 <Cory> Rachel: Next step is march 19th public comment on idea scale use for open government

14:29:07 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel, can you put the link up?

14:29:23 <Daniel_Bennett> chocolate chip cookie policy?

14:29:27 <Cory> Rachel: Policy on cookies: )

14:31:07 <edsu> e.g. http://epa.gov/open/

14:31:08 <Zakim> + +1.512.750.aaee

14:31:50 <Cory> Rachel: Please post your comments for open government, this is important

14:32:10 <Zakim> -brian?

14:32:41 <Zakim> + +1.303.748.aaff - is perhaps brian?

14:32:51 <Daniel_Bennett> http://www.usa.gov/webcontent/open/tool_agency_poc.shtml

14:33:13 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?

14:33:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, edsu, josema (muted), Kevin, Rachel, +1.512.750.aaee, brian? (muted)

14:34:12 <josema> [silona joins the call]

14:34:26 <josema> [talks about citability.org]

14:34:30 <sandro> Guest: Silona Bonewald, citability.org

14:35:17 <sandro> silona: technical solution, open, playing with everyone

14:35:39 <edsu> -> http://dccodeathon.pbworks.com/ citability codeathon

14:36:33 <Zakim> + +1.202.270.aagg

14:41:10 <edsu> sandro: heh, that was my first question too :-)

14:41:39 <sandro> http://citability.pbworks.com/

14:41:54 <edsu> -> http://citability.pbworks.com/Citable-Documents-Specification specification

14:42:24 <sandro> http://citability.pbworks.com/Citable-Documents-Specification

14:42:31 <sandro> (yeah)

14:44:23 <Daniel_Bennett> or pdf

14:45:08 <Daniel_Bennett> legislink can create redirects to deep links in pdf text html and xml

14:46:01 <Daniel_Bennett> rdf is semantic

14:46:08 <Daniel_Bennett> cites are about references

14:47:17 <Daniel_Bennett> so if RDFa document needs cites then there are references to points in a document separate from the semantics

14:47:46 <Daniel_Bennett> provenance

14:48:08 <Daniel_Bennett> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/

14:48:09 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/prov/

14:48:12 <Cory> Citing of documents is related to provenance

14:48:16 <sandro> (i'm too slow again!)

14:48:22 <Daniel_Bennett> (ha)

14:49:01 <Daniel_Bennett> http://microformats.org/wiki/citation

14:49:27 <Daniel_Bennett> HI ANNE

14:50:04 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks to anne for handle server for bills

14:50:32 <Cory> Anne: Big picture - how governments make data available

14:50:37 <annew> Hi Daniel

14:51:40 <Daniel_Bennett> http://thomas.loc.gov/home/handles/help.html

14:51:58 <Cory> Anne: #1 request - RSS feed for legistration

14:51:59 <Daniel_Bennett> no time stamps necessary. thanks anne

14:52:19 <Daniel_Bennett> cory, think that was silona

14:52:21 <josema> s/legistration/legislation

14:52:30 <edsu> handles are basically purls, which are basically hacks for organizations that can't manage their url namespace imho

14:52:45 <edsu> my 2 cents

14:52:58 <Daniel_Bennett> fair enough ed, but that is reality

14:53:05 <annew> Purls are different than handles in many ways however they are persistent URLS.

14:53:30 <edsu> the reality is that lots of purls and handles 404 if they aren't maintained :-)

14:53:31 <josema> I'm wondering if citability (or handles) manage versioning

14:54:16 <Daniel_Bennett> however, the lack of persistence does not mean that the links can be used for metadata

14:54:44 <edsu> josema: good question, i think versioing is the interesting part of citability

14:54:45 <Daniel_Bennett> jose, rather than versioning, it looks like it relies on timestamps

14:54:50 <annew> Handles does not manage versioning it . It manages provenance in fact.

14:54:54 <edsu> josema: goo question for silona i mean :-)

14:54:58 <edsu> s/goo/good/

14:55:31 <josema> ok, so...

14:55:37 <josema> q+ to ask about versioning

14:56:20 <Daniel_Bennett> in the US Congress, versioning is part of of legislative reference

14:56:39 <josema> I see, it makes things easier

14:56:54 <Cory> One thing that worked well for us is having a CMS (SVN) system update the RDF store metadata

14:57:00 <josema> so far we are using versioning "W3C style" in our projects for Linked Data URIs

14:57:28 <Daniel_Bennett> fyi http://legislink.org/

14:57:31 <annew> Daniel, do you mean it is part of the legislative process?  i.e. .rh reported in house vs ih introduced in house ?

14:57:41 <josema> I mean, for the vocabularies, dataset metadata, resources...

14:57:41 <Daniel_Bennett> yes anne

14:57:48 <Cory> Summary: There are initial tools for creating citable URLS

14:58:22 <Daniel_Bennett> and therefore no need to add versioning refs outside of the native version names ... ih rh..

Daniel Bennett: and therefore no need to add versioning refs outside of the native version names ... ih rh.. ←

14:58:38 <josema> ack me

José Alonso: ack me ←

14:58:41 <Zakim> josema, you wanted to ask about versioning

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, you wanted to ask about versioning ←

14:58:48 <Daniel_Bennett> http://advocatehope.org/tech-tidbits/embedded-citations

Daniel Bennett: http://advocatehope.org/tech-tidbits/embedded-citations ←

14:59:58 <CoryB> test

Scribe problem: the name 'CoryB' does not match any of the 79 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Silona Bonewald Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Scribe problem: the name 'CoryB' does not match any of the 79 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Silona Bonewald Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown CoryB: test ←

15:00:07 <sandro> bzr or git

Sandro Hawke: bzr or git ←

15:00:39 <annew> about versioning of law, see Timothy Arnold Moore's work with Tasmanian, Australian & Singapore governments

Anne Washington: about versioning of law, see Timothy Arnold Moore's work with Tasmanian, Australian & Singapore governments ←

15:01:05 <Cory> bzr and git are distributed, where as subversion is not

bzr and git are distributed, where as subversion is not ←

15:01:06 <edsu> annew: are you still here at LC?

Anne Washington: are you still here at LC? [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:02:00 <annew> nope

Anne Washington: nope ←

15:02:05 <edsu> annew: :-(

Anne Washington: :-( [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:02:28 <edsu> still in dc?

Ed Summers: still in dc? ←

15:02:59 <Daniel_Bennett> http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/jilt/2000_1/arnold/ Tim Arnold Moore / Tasmania experience

Daniel Bennett: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/jilt/2000_1/arnold/ Tim Arnold Moore / Tasmania experience ←

15:03:25 <Zakim> -brian?

Scribe problem: the name 'brian?' does not match any of the 79 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adam Harvey Alan Doniger Aldo Gangemi Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Boubacar FOUMEKOYE Brand Niemann Brian Gryth Chris Beer Christopher Testa Clifford Thompson Cory Casanave Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Norheim David Osimo Don Brutzman Ed Summers Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Hugh Glaser Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jamal Shahin James Hendler Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Kurt Voelker Laila Benhlima Lanfranco Marasso Leigh Dodds Li Ding Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martín Álvarez Mathew Gilliland Michael Aisenberg Michael Hausenblas Miguel Amutio Mohamed ZERGAOUI Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Samuel Deskin Sandro Hawke Sergey Lizin Sharron Rush Steve Harris Suzanne Acar Sylvia Webb Tanya Gupta Thomas Bandholtz Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Silona Bonewald Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -brian? ←

15:03:26 <Zakim> + +1.303.869.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.303.869.aahh ←

15:04:31 <Cory> Jose: Different approach where versioning is in URI

José Alonso: Different approach where versioning is in URI ←

15:05:14 <annew> Thanks for the link Daniel.  it's actually called point-in-time legislation so you can roll back the code to a specific day.

Anne Washington: Thanks for the link Daniel. it's actually called point-in-time legislation so you can roll back the code to a specific day. ←

15:05:45 <edsu> josema: before i forget, jeni tennison and john sheridan talked a bit about their approach to versioning, uris and linked data at the london linked data meetup that i think is sumarized here http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/141

José Alonso: before i forget, jeni tennison and john sheridan talked a bit about their approach to versioning, uris and linked data at the london linked data meetup that i think is sumarized here http://www.jenitennison.com/blog/node/141 [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:07:06 <Daniel_Bennett> hmmmm

Daniel Bennett: hmmmm ←

15:07:21 <josema> a vocabulary: http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa

José Alonso: a vocabulary: http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa ←

15:07:41 <annew> Is there an introductory email from Silona on the listserv?

Anne Washington: Is there an introductory email from Silona on the listserv? ←

15:07:52 <josema> the version of the vocabulary on 2009-09-01: http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa_20090901

José Alonso: the version of the vocabulary on 2009-09-01: http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa_20090901 ←

15:08:19 <josema> as I said, "W3C style" so far, will read J&J blog, too (thanks, edsu)

José Alonso: as I said, "W3C style" so far, will read J&J blog, too (thanks, edsu) ←

15:08:36 <Daniel_Bennett> we should discuss the difference between semantic data and references to documents some time

Daniel Bennett: we should discuss the difference between semantic data and references to documents some time ←

15:09:17 <Zakim> - +1.512.750.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.512.750.aaee ←

15:09:23 <josema> [of course, http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa.rdf ;)]

José Alonso: [of course, http://data.fundacionctic.org/vocab/asturias/empleo/oferta-formativa.rdf ;)] ←

15:09:30 <Cory> No more question for Selona

No more question for Silona ←

15:09:46 <josema> s/Selona/Silona

15:09:50 <josema> zakim, mute me

José Alonso: zakim, mute me ←

15:09:50 <Zakim> josema should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: josema should now be muted ←

15:10:19 <josema> [discussion on projects, attendance, how to improve]

José Alonso: [discussion on projects, attendance, how to improve] ←

15:12:14 <Cory> Daniel: Suggestion, combine everything into one call per week

Daniel Bennett: Suggestion, combine everything into one call per week ←

15:12:25 <Cory> Call times are an issue

Call times are an issue ←

15:12:47 <josema> I'm hearing frustration, and understand it (makes me remember early IG times with Kevin)

José Alonso: I'm hearing frustration, and understand it (makes me remember early IG times with Kevin) ←

15:14:13 <Cory> Kevin: Issues paper was done by a small group, it was a challenge

Kevin Novak: Issues paper was done by a small group, it was a challenge ←

15:14:27 <Cory> Kevin: Ends up that the leaders do it

Kevin Novak: Ends up that the leaders do it ←

15:15:38 <edsu> isn't http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter the charter?

Ed Summers: isn't http://www.w3.org/2009/06/eGov/ig-charter the charter? ←

15:16:04 <josema> @edsu yes

José Alonso: @edsu yes ←

15:17:07 <josema> clear and short deliverables, KISS, release soon & release often (might work??)

José Alonso: clear and short deliverables, KISS, release soon & release often (might work??) ←

15:17:28 <Daniel_Bennett> surveys lie

Daniel Bennett: surveys lie ←

15:17:33 <edsu> q+ to talk about fragmentation

Ed Summers: q+ to talk about fragmentation ←

15:17:49 <Daniel_Bennett> good intentions vs. reality

Daniel Bennett: good intentions vs. reality ←

15:17:55 <josema> [sandro mentions the disconnect between WBS results and people participation]

José Alonso: [sandro mentions the disconnect between WBS results and people participation] ←

15:17:59 <josema> and I agree

José Alonso: and I agree ←

15:18:00 <Cory> Sandro: Diconnect between survey and participation

Sandro Hawke: Diconnect between survey and participation ←

15:18:27 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 jose KISS and quick deliverables

Daniel Bennett: +1 jose KISS and quick deliverables ←

15:18:30 <josema> well framed, daniel

José Alonso: well framed, daniel ←

15:21:09 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

15:21:43 <Cory> Rachel: People want to be in the loop, but don't have time.  Need practical things for people to do

Rachel Flagg: People want to be in the loop, but don't have time. Need practical things for people to do ←

15:22:28 <sandro> rachel: People wont respond to "we need help".   They will respond to a specific request for something they can do to help.   A task and due date.

Rachel Flagg: People wont respond to "we need help". They will respond to a specific request for something they can do to help. A task and due date. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:22:33 <sandro> (absolutely...)

Sandro Hawke: (absolutely...) ←

15:22:34 <Cory> Rachel: Give them tasks and due date

Rachel Flagg: Give them tasks and due date ←

15:23:13 <sandro> rachel: unless they feel their time is going to be very well spent, they wont just come and talk.

Rachel Flagg: unless they feel their time is going to be very well spent, they wont just come and talk. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:23:38 <sandro> rachel: don't sit around waiting, go ahead and write stuff.

Rachel Flagg: don't sit around waiting, go ahead and write stuff. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:23:39 <edsu> Rachel++ # good advice

Ed Summers: Rachel++ # good advice ←

15:23:47 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q? ←

15:24:48 <edsu> heh, i'll interject :-)

Ed Summers: heh, i'll interject :-) ←

15:24:50 <Zakim> - +1.202.270.aagg

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.202.270.aagg ←

15:24:59 <josema> you should! :)

José Alonso: you should! :) ←

15:25:17 <edsu> this is good stuff though, don't won't to break it up

Ed Summers: this is good stuff though, don't won't to break it up ←

15:26:00 <Cory> Group: Seeding the wiki and controversial content will get people going

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Unknown Group: Seeding the wiki and controversial content will get people going ←

15:26:28 <edsu> :-)

Ed Summers: :-) ←

15:26:52 <sandro> daniel: We need to start the document justifying why government data should be stored on microfiche  :-)

Daniel Bennett: We need to start the document justifying why government data should be stored on microfiche :-) [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:27:45 <annew> sandro: LOL

Sandro Hawke: LOL [ Scribe Assist by Anne Washington ] ←

15:29:06 <josema> feeds, uh? here you have a few http://www.netvibes.com/w3cegov :)

José Alonso: feeds, uh? here you have a few http://www.netvibes.com/w3cegov :) ←

15:30:27 <josema> +1 on coordinators blogging on W3C eGov Blog (good idea, Sandro)

José Alonso: +1 on coordinators blogging on W3C eGov Blog (good idea, Sandro) ←

15:30:37 <edsu> i wonder if we could aggregate other egov folks blogs (planet-style)

Ed Summers: i wonder if we could aggregate other egov folks blogs (planet-style) ←

15:31:18 <josema> @edsu likely, there's the always pending discussion about the W3C eGov home page (we were supposed to change it completely, then started to discuss wikipedia, then...)

José Alonso: @edsu likely, there's the always pending discussion about the W3C eGov home page (we were supposed to change it completely, then started to discuss wikipedia, then...) ←

15:31:26 <edsu> http://www.planetplanet.org/

Ed Summers: http://www.planetplanet.org/ ←

15:32:20 <Cory> Suggestion that we have a project focus after each general egov phone call

Suggestion that we have a project focus after each general egov phone call ←

15:32:43 <Cory> Daniel: Coordinators can then call meetings.

Daniel Bennett: Coordinators can then call meetings. ←

15:34:05 <Daniel_Bennett> kevin, rachel, john, do we have a meeting to discuss FOSE soon?

Daniel Bennett: kevin, rachel, john, do we have a meeting to discuss FOSE soon? ←

15:34:06 <edsu> josema: seeya

José Alonso: seeya [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:34:11 <Daniel_Bennett> ciao jose

Daniel Bennett: ciao jose ←

15:34:32 <josema> zakim, list attendees

José Alonso: zakim, list attendees ←

15:34:32 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, josema, edsu, +03498429aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, Kevin, Rachel, +1.303.748.aacc, brian?, +1.303.748.aadd,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, josema, edsu, +03498429aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, Kevin, Rachel, +1.303.748.aacc, brian?, +1.303.748.aadd, ←

15:34:36 <Zakim> ... +1.512.750.aaee, +1.303.748.aaff, +1.202.270.aagg, +1.303.869.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.512.750.aaee, +1.303.748.aaff, +1.202.270.aagg, +1.303.869.aahh ←

15:34:38 <annew> byebye

Anne Washington: byebye ←

15:34:41 <Daniel_Bennett> and then drinks/dinner afterward?

Daniel Bennett: and then drinks/dinner afterward? ←

15:34:47 <sandro> ciao, annew !

Sandro Hawke: ciao, annew ! ←

15:34:57 <josema> bye

José Alonso: bye ←

15:34:59 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←

15:35:04 <Daniel_Bennett> ciao anne wash

Daniel Bennett: ciao anne wash ←

15:36:07 <Cory> Conclusion: Group will "defragment" for a while

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Unknown Conclusion: Group will "defragment" for a while ←

15:37:25 <Daniel_Bennett> but groups should still report SOW (statement of work) by next meeting

Daniel Bennett: but groups should still report SOW (statement of work) by next meeting ←

15:37:26 <sandro> sandro: I'll assume that unless the group coordinators tell me about a meeting, they wont be meeting.

Sandro Hawke: I'll assume that unless the group coordinators tell me about a meeting, they wont be meeting. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:41:57 <edsu> if we had action items, and had to come in here and report on them, i think we would get some traction

Ed Summers: if we had action items, and had to come in here and report on them, i think we would get some traction ←

15:42:07 <Daniel_Bennett> wait and see the attention on the Microfiche idea and using cuneiform rather than XML light up the Project

Daniel Bennett: wait and see the attention on the Microfiche idea and using cuneiform rather than XML light up the Project ←

15:42:15 <Daniel_Bennett> ;-)

Daniel Bennett: ;-) ←

15:42:30 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 ed

Daniel Bennett: +1 ed ←

15:42:46 <sandro> kevin: consensus is -- at the task group level, try to get something done; coordinate with Sandro if you want a telecon

Kevin Novak: consensus is -- at the task group level, try to get something done; coordinate with Sandro if you want a telecon [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←

15:42:56 <edsu> Daniel_Bennett: maybe we could use a memex subgroup? ;->

Daniel Bennett: maybe we could use a memex subgroup? ;-> [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←

15:43:17 <Daniel_Bennett> +3 ed

Daniel Bennett: +3 ed ←

15:45:13 <Daniel_Bennett> fyi, 15mins over on call

Daniel Bennett: fyi, 15mins over on call ←

15:45:54 <Daniel_Bennett> bye

Daniel Bennett: bye ←

15:45:55 <Zakim> - +1.303.869.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: - +1.303.869.aahh ←

15:45:57 <Zakim> -edsu

Zakim IRC Bot: -edsu ←

15:45:59 <Zakim> -Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←

15:46:00 <Zakim> -Sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←

15:46:04 <Zakim> -Kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -Kevin ←

15:46:17 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←

15:46:56 <Cory> Joint meeting with OMG-Egov - Thursady, March 25th @ 1:30

Joint meeting with OMG-Egov - Thursady, March 25th @ 1:30 ←

15:47:01 <Cory> bye

bye ←

15:47:29 <Zakim> -Cory

Zakim IRC Bot: -Cory ←

15:47:30 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended ←

15:47:31 <Zakim> Attendees were Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, josema, edsu, +03498429aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, Kevin, Rachel, +1.303.748.aacc, brian?, +1.303.748.aadd, +1.512.750.aaee,

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Cory, Daniel_Bennett, Sandro, josema, edsu, +03498429aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, Kevin, Rachel, +1.303.748.aacc, brian?, +1.303.748.aadd, +1.512.750.aaee, ←

15:47:33 <Zakim> ... +1.303.748.aaff, +1.202.270.aagg, +1.303.869.aahh

Zakim IRC Bot: ... +1.303.748.aaff, +1.202.270.aagg, +1.303.869.aahh ←

16:49:19 <Chris> Morning

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

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Unknown Chris: Morning ←

17:05:01 <Chris> trackbot-ng

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Unknown Chris: trackbot-ng ←

17:05:11 <Chris> trackbot-ng, start telcon

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Unknown Chris: trackbot-ng, start telcon ←

17:05:14 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

17:05:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←

17:05:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM scheduled to start 5 minutes ago ←

17:05:17 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

17:05:17 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2010

17:09:02 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM has now started ←

17:09:10 <Zakim> + +61.4.286.0.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +61.4.286.0.aaaa ←

17:09:50 <Chris> scribe: Chris

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(Scribe set to Unknown Chris)

17:15:32 <Chris> this [conference] is <UseWebTech>

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this [conference] is <UseWebTech> ←

17:15:52 <Chris> zakim, list conferences

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

zakim, list conferences ←

17:15:52 <Zakim> I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, WAI_PF()12:00PM, INC_SWXG()11:00AM, T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM, VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM active

Zakim IRC Bot: I see Style_CSS FP()12:00PM, WAI_PF()12:00PM, INC_SWXG()11:00AM, T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM, VB_VBWG(SCXML)12:00PM active ←

17:15:57 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_EXI()12:30PM, I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM

Zakim IRC Bot: also scheduled at this time are GA_WebCGM()11:00AM, XML_EXI()12:30PM, I18N_CoreWG()12:30PM ←

17:16:17 <Chris> zakim, this is UseWebTech

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

zakim, this is UseWebTech ←

17:16:17 <Zakim> Chris, this was already T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: Chris, this was already T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM ←

17:16:18 <Zakim> ok, Chris; that matches T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, Chris; that matches T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM ←

17:16:36 <Chris> zakim, who's here

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

zakim, who's here ←

17:16:36 <Zakim> Chris, you need to end that query with '?'

Zakim IRC Bot: Chris, you need to end that query with '?' ←

17:16:42 <Chris> zakim, who's here?

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

zakim, who's here? ←

17:16:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see +61.4.286.0.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see +61.4.286.0.aaaa ←

17:16:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see Chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, hughb, trackbot, sandro

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Chris, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, hughb, trackbot, sandro ←

17:17:43 <Chris> zakim, +61.4.286.0.aaaa is Chris

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

zakim, +61.4.286.0.aaaa is Chris ←

17:17:43 <Zakim> +Chris; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Chris; got it ←

17:28:35 <sandro> ah well.   :-(

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Sandro Hawke: ah well. :-( ←

17:28:55 <Chris> yeah - hanging for 5 more - Brian emailed to say he'd be late

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yeah - hanging for 5 more - Brian emailed to say he'd be late ←

17:29:33 <sandro> in the IG meeting today, we basically agreed to only have these other calls when/if needed.      clearly people don't want to just talk.

Sandro Hawke: in the IG meeting today, we basically agreed to only have these other calls when/if needed. clearly people don't want to just talk. ←

17:30:17 <Chris> Discussion forum might be an option - I'll make one and see if it generates interest

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Scribe problem: the name 'Chris' is ambiguous. It could be any of: Christopher Testa Chris Beer . Either change the name used or insert a 'PRESENT: ...' line to restrict the active names.

Discussion forum might be an option - I'll make one and see if it generates interest ←

17:31:09 <Chris> If nothing else, it was good to get my head around Zakim, the bridge etc.

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If nothing else, it was good to get my head around Zakim, the bridge etc. ←

17:31:32 <Chris> Means you have another scribe for the IG calls :)

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Means you have another scribe for the IG calls :) ←

17:34:13 <Zakim> -Chris

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Zakim IRC Bot: -Chris ←

17:34:14 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM has ended

Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV(UseWebTech)12:00PM has ended ←

17:34:14 <Zakim> Attendees were Chris

Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were Chris ←

17:35:19 <Chris> Talk later :) Catching a few more hours sleep

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Talk later :) Catching a few more hours sleep ←

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