14:01:51 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-egov-irc ←
14:01:59 <sandro> zakim, this is egov
Sandro Hawke: zakim, this is egov ←
14:01:59 <Zakim> ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, sandro; that matches T&S_EGOV()9:00AM ←
14:02:03 <ChrisBeer> Morning all
Chris Beer: Morning all ←
14:02:17 <sandro> RRSAgent, make log public
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, make log public ←
14:02:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Good morning all
Daniel Bennett: Good morning all ←
14:02:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose, what is the format for scribe again?
Daniel Bennett: Jose, what is the format for scribe again? ←
14:03:04 <sandro> like this: speaker_name: what they said
Sandro Hawke: like this: speaker_name: what they said ←
14:03:25 <Daniel_Bennett> I thought I had volunteered
Daniel Bennett: I thought I had volunteered ←
14:03:38 <sandro> scribe: Daniel_Bennett
(Scribe set to Daniel Bennett)
14:03:49 <Daniel_Bennett> what is the substitution format again
what is the substitution format again ←
14:03:58 <sandro> like this: s/old/new
Sandro Hawke: like this: s/old/new ←
14:04:03 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks
thanks ←
14:04:23 <Daniel_Bennett> oooh vintage high tech
oooh vintage high tech ←
14:04:44 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:04:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.703.880.aabb, ??P12
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, +1.202.449.aaaa, +1.703.880.aabb, ??P12 ←
<sandro> Topic: Convene
14:04:51 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aacc ←
14:04:56 <Daniel_Bennett> aaaa is Daniel Bennett
aaaa is Daniel Bennett ←
14:05:16 <sandro> zakim, ??P12 is josema
Sandro Hawke: zakim, ??P12 is josema ←
14:05:16 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
14:05:29 <Daniel_Bennett> Please announce names before speaking once we are underway. Thanks
Please announce names before speaking once we are underway. Thanks ←
14:05:42 <sandro> zakim, aabb is Cory
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aabb is Cory ←
14:05:42 <Zakim> +Cory; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Cory; got it ←
14:05:47 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Daniel Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Daniel Bennett ←
14:05:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aaaa is Daniel Bennett', josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'aaaa is Daniel Bennett', josema ←
14:05:50 <Daniel_Bennett> 202-449-aaaa is Daniel Bennett
202-449-aaaa is Daniel Bennett ←
14:05:52 <sandro> zakim, aacc is Brand
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aacc is Brand ←
14:05:52 <Zakim> +Brand; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand; got it ←
14:05:56 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Bennett
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Daniel_Bennett ←
14:05:56 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Daniel_Bennett; got it ←
14:06:04 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is on the call? ←
14:06:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Daniel_Bennett, Cory, josema, Brand
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Daniel_Bennett, Cory, josema, Brand ←
14:06:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Agenda for today?
Agenda for today? ←
14:06:39 <josema> none, AFAIK -- chairs fault :(
José Alonso: none, AFAIK -- chairs fault :( ←
14:07:28 <ChrisBeer> short meeting then?
Chris Beer: short meeting then? ←
14:07:36 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.464.aadd ←
14:07:41 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open ←
14:07:46 <Daniel_Bennett> jose: agenda, pending issues, then survey discussion
José Alonso: agenda, pending issues, then survey discussion ←
14:07:49 <sandro> zakim, aadd is Rachel
Sandro Hawke: zakim, aadd is Rachel ←
14:07:49 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel; got it ←
14:08:16 <Daniel_Bennett> please announce names
please announce names ←
<sandro> Topic: Action Items
14:08:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: open action items
Sandro Hawke: open action items ←
14:08:40 <sandro> close action-71
Sandro Hawke: close ACTION-71 ←
14:08:40 <trackbot> ACTION-71 Try get RDFa Gov use cases on TPAC agenda closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-71 Try get RDFa Gov use cases on TPAC agenda closed ←
14:08:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: yes, lets get rid of old ones that are not active anymore
José Alonso: yes, lets get rid of old ones that are not active anymore ←
14:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: item 76 is always active and we should leave open
José Alonso: item 76 is always active and we should leave open ←
14:09:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: action 3 is old
José Alonso: ACTION-3 is old ←
14:09:46 <sandro> zakim, who is here?
Sandro Hawke: zakim, who is here? ←
14:09:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Sandro, Daniel_Bennett, Cory, josema, Brand, Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Sandro, Daniel_Bennett, Cory, josema, Brand, Rachel ←
14:09:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Cory, Daniel_Bennett, josema, ChrisBeer, hughb, trackbot, sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Cory, Daniel_Bennett, josema, ChrisBeer, hughb, trackbot, sandro ←
14:10:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: should we go to results?
José Alonso: should we go to results? ←
<sandro> Topic: Upcoming Events
14:10:46 <Daniel_Bennett> please announce name when speaking (except Jose)
please announce name when speaking (except Jose) ←
14:10:46 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Meetings ←
14:11:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Feb 3 and Feb 17th meetings.
José Alonso: Feb 3 and Feb 17th meetings. ←
14:12:55 <sandro> Daniel_Bennett: NextGov 2.0 / O'Reilly conference panel deadline has passed. FOSE meeting in late march. 1105 group is doing another Open Gov, like the one in July.
Daniel Bennett: NextGov 2.0 / O'Reilly conference panel deadline has passed. FOSE meeting in late march. 1105 group is doing another Open Gov, like the one in July. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:13:17 <ChrisBeer> 1105 group?
Chris Beer: 1105 group? ←
14:13:30 <sandro> Daniel_Bennett: PDF (Personal Democracy Forum) was in Europe, but is back in NYC next -- earlybird prices. TechPresident.com I think.
Daniel Bennett: PDF (Personal Democracy Forum) was in Europe, but is back in NYC next -- earlybird prices. TechPresident.com I think. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:13:54 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Sandro
thanks Sandro ←
14:14:32 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: Karen took care of the Gov 2.0 expo
Sandro Hawke: Karen took care of the Gov 2.0 expo ←
14:14:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: and something was submitted for FOSE
Sandro Hawke: and something was submitted for FOSE ←
14:15:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: FOSE was expected. my bio is on their site
Rachel Flagg: FOSE was expected. my bio is on their site ←
14:15:28 <Zakim> +[LC]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[LC] ←
14:15:48 <sandro> zakim, LC is Ed_Summers
Sandro Hawke: zakim, LC is Ed_Summers ←
14:15:48 <Zakim> +Ed_Summers; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Ed_Summers; got it ←
14:16:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed Summers: from Library of Congress
Ed Summers: from Library of Congress ←
14:16:32 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: one is coming up in a few weeks and I will send it around
José Alonso: one is coming up in a few weeks and I will send it around ←
14:16:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Next topic now?
José Alonso: Next topic now? ←
14:16:59 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 Daniel
+1 Daniel ←
14:17:07 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 Jose
+1 Jose ←
14:17:10 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2010-01-06
Sandro Hawke: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/meeting/2010-01-06 ←
14:17:13 <edsu> Zakim: LC is edsu
14:17:24 <edsu> Zakim, LC is edsu
Ed Summers: Zakim, LC is edsu ←
14:17:24 <Zakim> sorry, edsu, I do not recognize a party named 'LC'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, edsu, I do not recognize a party named 'LC' ←
14:17:30 <Daniel_Bennett> welcomes Ed to Channel
welcomes Ed to Channel ←
<sandro> Topic: Website
14:18:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: About Wikipedia pages?
José Alonso: About Wikipedia pages? ←
14:18:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: Someone was working on staging the entry
Sandro Hawke: Someone was working on staging the entry ←
14:18:49 <Daniel_Bennett> it was Joe Carmel
it was Joe Carmel ←
14:18:50 <edsu> sandro: cheers
Sandro Hawke: cheers [ Scribe Assist by Ed Summers ] ←
14:19:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: we were going to do that on Wikimedia W3C site
Sandro Hawke: we were going to do that on Wikimedia W3C site ←
14:19:36 <Cory> I have some material for the web pages, as soon as I know where to put it
Cory Casanave: I have some material for the web pages, as soon as I know where to put it ←
14:19:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: web site and provenance. check.
José Alonso: web site and provenance. check. ←
<sandro> Topic: Projects
14:19:53 <josema> Survey Results: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023
José Alonso: Survey Results: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023 ←
14:19:55 <ChrisBeer> I think it stalled slighty as chairs were to determine governance/workflow around this
Chris Beer: I think it stalled slighty as chairs were to determine governance/workflow around this ←
14:20:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we chairs have been slow to respond.
José Alonso: we chairs have been slow to respond. ←
14:20:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: a good thing is the number of participants, over 59 people
José Alonso: a good thing is the number of participants, over 59 people ←
14:21:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: this level of response is impressive
José Alonso: this level of response is impressive ←
14:21:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: second good thing is the level of volunteering to help
José Alonso: second good thing is the level of volunteering to help ←
14:22:07 <ChrisBeer> Given the numbers - have we thought about how best to do this collaboratively?
Chris Beer: Given the numbers - have we thought about how best to do this collaboratively? ←
14:22:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we should bring up priorities or if we should divide the group
José Alonso: we should bring up priorities or if we should divide the group ←
14:22:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: ?
José Alonso: ? ←
14:23:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: any opinions on this, parallel vs. priority?
José Alonso: any opinions on this, parallel vs. priority? ←
14:23:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: prioritize
Cory Casanave: prioritize ←
14:23:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: pick number of groups, say 2, and then prioritize
Daniel Bennett: pick number of groups, say 2, and then prioritize ←
14:23:59 <ChrisBeer> The only issue I see with parrallel is 59 people hitting a single list on 10 projects is going to get messy. But combo of both - there is overlap
Chris Beer: The only issue I see with parrallel is 59 people hitting a single list on 10 projects is going to get messy. But combo of both - there is overlap ←
14:24:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: forgot the overlap issue. what is the breakdown?
Sandro Hawke: forgot the overlap issue. what is the breakdown? ←
14:25:12 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: there is a difference in level of interest. I picked more than one.
Rachel Flagg: there is a difference in level of interest. I picked more than one. ←
14:25:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: I use the 4 and 5 ratings as the level of interest necessary to do more meetings.
Sandro Hawke: I use the 4 and 5 ratings as the level of interest necessary to do more meetings. ←
14:26:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: there is the question of leadership
Sandro Hawke: there is the question of leadership ←
14:26:16 <ChrisBeer> About 4 on GLD, OGD could make 5, Web Tech, Data Management and SM could be bundled, so 5 and 3 say.
Chris Beer: About 4 on GLD, OGD could make 5, Web Tech, Data Management and SM could be bundled, so 5 and 3 say. ←
14:27:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: perhaps allow schedule to determine interest
Sandro Hawke: perhaps allow schedule to determine interest ←
14:27:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: outside of working out schedules this may be easiest way.
Sandro Hawke: outside of working out schedules this may be easiest way. ←
14:28:28 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: those on the call are the ones who signed up for the most
Sandro Hawke: those on the call are the ones who signed up for the most ←
14:28:52 <ChrisBeer> Plus some who aren't present - but yes - usual suspects :)
Chris Beer: Plus some who aren't present - but yes - usual suspects :) ←
14:28:55 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: we should look at the Open Gov Directive series of meetings (US Govt).
Brand Niemann: we should look at the Open Gov Directive series of meetings (US Govt). ←
14:29:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: Cory was part of it (slides)
Brand Niemann: Cory was part of it (slides) ←
14:29:32 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:29:35 <Daniel_Bennett> I attended this last week too Brand
I attended this last week too Brand ←
14:29:45 <ChrisBeer> Question @Brand - why? (expand?)
Chris Beer: Question @Brand - why? (expand?) ←
14:30:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: this series is worth for participation
Brand Niemann: this series is worth for participation ←
14:30:30 <Daniel_Bennett> please announce who you are when speaking
please announce who you are when speaking ←
14:31:26 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: we should use those people here to participate. not as necessary to expand.
Sandro Hawke: we should use those people here to participate. not as necessary to expand. ←
14:31:32 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023
Sandro Hawke: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023 ←
14:31:45 <josema> josema has changed the topic to: 20 Jan IG call
José Alonso: josema has changed the topic to: 20 Jan IG call ←
14:32:02 <Daniel_Bennett> hello?
hello? ←
14:32:33 <josema> @chris, see https://opengovdirective.pbworks.com/List-of-Presentations
José Alonso: @chris, see https://opengovdirective.pbworks.com/List-of-Presentations ←
14:32:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: outreach possibility
Brand Niemann: outreach possibility ←
14:32:53 <ChrisBeer> Thanks (looking)
Chris Beer: Thanks (looking) ←
14:33:18 <Daniel_Bennett> OGD is a US executive branch on federal level program
OGD is a US executive branch on federal level program ←
14:33:39 <Daniel_Bennett> and this meeting series is co-hosted with US and volunteer participation
and this meeting series is co-hosted with US and volunteer participation ←
14:33:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
14:33:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: combo some of them
Brand Niemann: combo some of them ←
14:34:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: lets combine 2 and 3, and then 4 and 5
Cory Casanave: lets combine 2 and 3, and then 4 and 5 ←
14:34:28 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:34:50 <ChrisBeer> I understand the Directive, and remember the link from the list, just hadn't looked. Prob some good stuff there, some will be very US centric. On projects - are we working off the project page list, or the survey? (8 vs 6)
Chris Beer: I understand the Directive, and remember the link from the list, just hadn't looked. Prob some good stuff there, some will be very US centric. On projects - are we working off the project page list, or the survey? (8 vs 6) ←
14:35:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: lets use the branching at top level then go into precise topics on web site
Cory Casanave: lets use the branching at top level then go into precise topics on web site ←
14:35:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: how does this affect the participation
Sandro Hawke: how does this affect the participation ←
14:35:32 <josema> @chris, survey
José Alonso: @chris, survey ←
14:36:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: when filling out survey, and I was supportive of most of them, but not interested in participating in all of them
Ed Summers: when filling out survey, and I was supportive of most of them, but not interested in participating in all of them ←
14:36:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: 4 is too many to participate in them
Ed Summers: 4 is too many to participate in them ←
14:36:37 <ChrisBeer> @jose thanks - cross over obvious then - 1-3 is GLD, 4-6 is Best Practice Projects.
Chris Beer: @jose thanks - cross over obvious then - 1-3 is GLD, 4-6 is Best Practice Projects. ←
14:36:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: I would pick one or two
Ed Summers: I would pick one or two ←
14:37:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: I though survey would help determine interest and some drop off.
Sandro Hawke: I though survey would help determine interest and some drop off. ←
14:37:42 <ChrisBeer> +1 Sandro
Chris Beer: +1 Sandro ←
14:38:33 <ChrisBeer> Leaders only need to be initial co-ordinators really - time will determine the most active / loudest voices / direction the projects take
Chris Beer: Leaders only need to be initial co-ordinators really - time will determine the most active / loudest voices / direction the projects take ←
14:39:07 <ChrisBeer> For instance, George is the Demo man atm...
Chris Beer: For instance, George is the Demo man atm... ←
14:39:49 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: Daniel, do you not think that people will participate at the 4-5 level as survey indicated.
Sandro Hawke: Daniel, do you not think that people will participate at the 4-5 level as survey indicated. ←
14:39:52 <edsu> +1 they don't seem independent to me either
Ed Summers: +1 they don't seem independent to me either ←
14:41:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: I think that the default option is to make clear that each group would work with some oversight.
Sandro Hawke: I think that the default option is to make clear that each group would work with some oversight. ←
14:41:28 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: I agree with Cory to create web framework would be helpful
Sandro Hawke: I agree with Cory to create web framework would be helpful ←
14:41:32 <ChrisBeer> (IMO - honestly? I think those indicating 4-5 will seperate into those who are really interested, those who are interested due to rl work roles, which may change, and those who have an angle to push - the last two may well drop off depending on what happens)
Chris Beer: (IMO - honestly? I think those indicating 4-5 will seperate into those who are really interested, those who are interested due to rl work roles, which may change, and those who have an angle to push - the last two may well drop off depending on what happens) ←
14:41:37 <josema> I think there is overlap, but we should probably talk about it in terms of a) task forces and b) expected deliverables
José Alonso: I think there is overlap, but we should probably talk about it in terms of a) task forces and b) expected deliverables ←
14:42:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: are you saying that these break down into actual groups?
Ed Summers: are you saying that these break down into actual groups? ←
14:42:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: yes
Sandro Hawke: yes ←
14:42:29 <ChrisBeer> +1 Sandro, Cory, Jose - we need some sort of plan / milestones for projects to report back with?
Chris Beer: +1 Sandro, Cory, Jose - we need some sort of plan / milestones for projects to report back with? ←
14:42:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Brand: I think that a wiki helps the connections between groups will help
Brand Niemann: I think that a wiki helps the connections between groups will help ←
14:43:06 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:43:25 <ChrisBeer> Projects 1-3 flow on from concept to demo nicely...
Chris Beer: Projects 1-3 flow on from concept to demo nicely... ←
14:43:41 <ChrisBeer> 4-6 are more linking/connections
Chris Beer: 4-6 are more linking/connections ←
14:43:43 <josema> +1 to Chris
José Alonso: +1 to Chris ←
14:44:13 <lselmi> hi
Luigi Selmi: hi ←
14:44:32 <Daniel_Bennett> discussion of internal/external aspect of 1-6 issues
discussion of internal/external aspect of 1-6 issues ←
14:44:52 <ChrisBeer> ?
Chris Beer: ? ←
14:45:00 <ChrisBeer> int/ext aspect?
Chris Beer: int/ext aspect? ←
14:45:07 <josema> hi luigi, are you the one who joined last? (like 10 minutes ago)
José Alonso: hi luigi, are you the one who joined last? (like 10 minutes ago) ←
14:45:10 <Daniel_Bennett> not sure myself
not sure myself ←
14:45:15 <lselmi> can you provide the link to the issues ?
Luigi Selmi: can you provide the link to the issues ? ←
14:45:24 <josema> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023
José Alonso: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2010Jan/0023 ←
14:45:33 <lselmi> yes i joned 2 minutes ago
Luigi Selmi: yes i joned 2 minutes ago ←
14:45:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: the vagueness makes this hard to discuss.
Ed Summers: the vagueness makes this hard to discuss. ←
14:45:59 <josema> zakim, [IPcaller] is lselmi
José Alonso: zakim, [IPcaller] is lselmi ←
14:45:59 <Zakim> +lselmi; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +lselmi; got it ←
14:46:22 <ChrisBeer> Int/Ext as in level of collaboration with other w3c groups or external "stakeholders"?
Chris Beer: Int/Ext as in level of collaboration with other w3c groups or external "stakeholders"? ←
14:46:30 <sandro> edsu: I think it's important that the Data Management folks talk to the Linked Data people
Ed Summers: I think it's important that the Data Management folks talk to the Linked Data people [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:46:43 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: happy to discuss this issue as it is very important. the charter points to the actual deliverables.
José Alonso: happy to discuss this issue as it is very important. the charter points to the actual deliverables. ←
14:47:29 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we should think of task forces and charter deliverables. then the groups could be taskforces.
José Alonso: we should think of task forces and charter deliverables. then the groups could be taskforces. ←
14:47:42 <ChrisBeer> +1 Jose
Chris Beer: +1 Jose ←
14:47:55 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 Jose
+1 Jose ←
14:48:09 <edsu> josema++
Ed Summers: josema++ ←
14:48:30 <lselmi> i have read the project about long term data management but didn't understand what are the issues about that
Luigi Selmi: i have read the project about long term data management but didn't understand what are the issues about that ←
14:48:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: my interest is linked data and I am looking for a landing page for linked data for govt folks to get to and help them.
Cory Casanave: my interest is linked data and I am looking for a landing page for linked data for govt folks to get to and help them. ←
14:49:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: and this help will need to cover all these subjects.
Cory Casanave: and this help will need to cover all these subjects. ←
14:49:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: we need to have landing pages which in turn link to more specific info
Cory Casanave: we need to have landing pages which in turn link to more specific info ←
14:49:44 <ChrisBeer> Prehaps the Chairs can outline what is expected to the Leads who can take this to the task forces for discussion - first step for each - determine what they will aim to deliver?
Chris Beer: Prehaps the Chairs can outline what is expected to the Leads who can take this to the task forces for discussion - first step for each - determine what they will aim to deliver? ←
14:50:02 <josema> @luigi - "long term data management"?? that's very old... tied to the previous charter... projects we are discussing right now are at http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects (but two of them were already dropped)
José Alonso: @luigi - "long term data management"?? that's very old... tied to the previous charter... projects we are discussing right now are at http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Projects (but two of them were already dropped) ←
14:50:12 <ChrisBeer> Rather than getting into the nitty gritty here?
Chris Beer: Rather than getting into the nitty gritty here? ←
14:50:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: wiki does not meet seriousness level...
Sandro Hawke: wiki does not meet seriousness level... ←
14:50:50 <ChrisBeer> @Sandro - is a good sandbox through if used right
Chris Beer: @Sandro - is a good sandbox through if used right ←
14:50:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: wiki is a web asset and is not exclusive of more things
Cory Casanave: wiki is a web asset and is not exclusive of more things ←
14:51:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: this is the beginning
Cory Casanave: this is the beginning ←
14:51:20 <sandro> For example: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/
Sandro Hawke: For example: http://www.w3.org/TR/egov-improving/ ←
14:51:36 <josema> and http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
José Alonso: and http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/ ←
14:51:38 <Owen> G'day, Chris.
Owen Ambur: G'day, Chris. ←
14:52:07 <ChrisBeer> @Owen G'day mate :)
Chris Beer: @Owen G'day mate :) ←
14:52:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Cory: fighting the document centric nature of govt
Cory Casanave: fighting the document centric nature of govt ←
14:52:59 <josema> if you want me to talk about specific deliverables I have in mind, a final, more elaborated version of "gov-data" is high on my priority list
José Alonso: if you want me to talk about specific deliverables I have in mind, a final, more elaborated version of "gov-data" is high on my priority list ←
14:53:19 <josema> q?
José Alonso: q? ←
14:53:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: is somewhat skeptical, but hopeful of this
Sandro Hawke: is somewhat skeptical, but hopeful of this ←
14:53:27 <ChrisBeer> IG notes are a good starting point for all projects/outcomes/education/outreach/demo
Chris Beer: IG notes are a good starting point for all projects/outcomes/education/outreach/demo ←
14:53:39 <ChrisBeer> +1 Jose - needs to go from Draft to Note
Chris Beer: +1 Jose - needs to go from Draft to Note ←
14:53:53 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: the format of the work is less important than the content and how they can actually help
Owen Ambur: the format of the work is less important than the content and how they can actually help ←
14:54:02 <sandro> sandro: develop on wiki, and later extract/reformat into W3C IG Note (technical report).
Sandro Hawke: develop on wiki, and later extract/reformat into W3C IG Note (technical report). [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:54:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: small is beautiful
Owen Ambur: small is beautiful ←
14:54:15 <ChrisBeer> +1 sandro
Chris Beer: +1 sandro ←
14:54:54 <josema> +1 to Owen and... IG Notes can be small
José Alonso: +1 to Owen and... IG Notes can be small ←
14:55:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: organizing around the wiki is sounding good. have 6 sections that each group must cultivate. and each group/section can work as needed or desired.
Sandro Hawke: organizing around the wiki is sounding good. have 6 sections that each group must cultivate. and each group/section can work as needed or desired. ←
14:56:06 <Cory> +1
Cory Casanave: +1 ←
14:56:45 <lselmi> i have not followed the group for some time, sorry I suppose you are discussing about what kind of tool to use to write the documents of the projects. is that right ?
Luigi Selmi: i have not followed the group for some time, sorry I suppose you are discussing about what kind of tool to use to write the documents of the projects. is that right ? ←
14:57:05 <Zakim> -Brand
Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand ←
14:57:06 <ChrisBeer> +1. Rachel / Edit team to create pages / IA for wiki - might save on confusion etc when groups/sections get started?
Chris Beer: +1. Rachel / Edit team to create pages / IA for wiki - might save on confusion etc when groups/sections get started? ←
14:57:40 <sandro> PROPOSED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful.
PROPOSED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful. ←
14:57:45 <josema> nope, talking about the projects and how to move forward with them, if we should group them or not, if we should have separate task forces working on them, what the deliverables would look alike, etc.
José Alonso: nope, talking about the projects and how to move forward with them, if we should group them or not, if we should have separate task forces working on them, what the deliverables would look alike, etc. ←
14:58:13 <sandro> edsu: Let's not use wiki as deliverable. I like the W3C publication process.
Ed Summers: Let's not use wiki as deliverable. I like the W3C publication process. [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
14:58:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: wiki good, but docs as deliverable a must per my experience.
Ed Summers: wiki good, but docs as deliverable a must per my experience. ←
14:58:27 <ChrisBeer> Seconded
Chris Beer: Seconded ←
14:58:31 <josema> +1 to Ed
José Alonso: +1 to Ed ←
14:58:31 <lselmi> ok
Luigi Selmi: ok ←
14:58:34 <ChrisBeer> (+1 ed)
Chris Beer: (+1 ed) ←
14:58:43 <Daniel_Bennett> +1 Ed
+1 Ed ←
14:59:09 <edsu> sandro++
Ed Summers: sandro++ ←
14:59:35 <Cory> I would also consider the wiki as a deliverable
Cory Casanave: I would also consider the wiki as a deliverable ←
14:59:58 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: lets leave the official docs aside for now
Sandro Hawke: lets leave the official docs aside for now ←
15:00:07 <ChrisBeer> Wiki = dynamic working draft, Document = milestone publication
Chris Beer: Wiki = dynamic working draft, Document = milestone publication ←
15:00:15 <Daniel_Bennett> +1
+1 ←
15:00:33 <josema> +1 to Chris (and this is what we've done in the past
José Alonso: +1 to Chris (and this is what we've done in the past) ←
15:00:41 <josema> s/past/past)
15:01:52 <Cory> Example of a landing page: http://portal.modeldriven.org/content/president-obamas-initiatives
Cory Casanave: Example of a landing page: http://portal.modeldriven.org/content/president-obamas-initiatives ←
15:02:21 <ChrisBeer> So all that's left to go forward is pages set up for teams by ? and chairs to determine leads...
Chris Beer: So all that's left to go forward is pages set up for teams by ? and chairs to determine leads... ←
15:02:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: technical point that wiki is used to edit formal papers
Sandro Hawke: technical point that wiki is used to edit formal papers ←
15:04:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: we expect each group to have a TR by Sept
Sandro Hawke: we expect each group to have a TR by Sept ←
15:04:51 <sandro> PROPOSED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful. We expect each project to end up with a TR (IG Note) to be successful (except perhaps the demo).
PROPOSED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful. We expect each project to end up with a TR (IG Note) to be successful (except perhaps the demo). ←
15:05:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: except for the demos, we can have deliverables
José Alonso: except for the demos, we can have other deliverables ←
15:05:19 <Cory> Yes
Cory Casanave: Yes ←
15:05:23 <Daniel_Bennett> yes
yes ←
15:05:23 <josema> s/deliverables/other deliverables
15:05:26 <ChrisBeer> Demos that work should have associated TR on how it works...
Chris Beer: Demos that work should have associated TR on how it works... ←
15:05:28 <edsu> +1
Ed Summers: +1 ←
15:05:48 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: any objections to revised motion
José Alonso: any objections to revised motion ←
15:06:30 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: ?
José Alonso: ? ←
15:07:24 <josema> +1
José Alonso: +1 ←
15:07:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: questions that some groups may co-create TRs or decide not to
José Alonso: questions that some groups may co-create TRs or decide not to ←
15:07:26 <sandro> RESOLVED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful. We expect each project to end up with a TR (IG Note) to be successful (except perhaps the demo).
RESOLVED: Each of the six projects will develop and maintain a set of pages on the eGov wiki, with a small and clean landing page, and more details as necessary, holding telecons as necessary, and as the work develops publishing as W3C TRs and on Wikipedia pages as useful. We expect each project to end up with a TR (IG Note) to be successful (except perhaps the demo). ←
15:07:46 <edsu> lol
Ed Summers: lol ←
15:09:26 <ChrisBeer> Inital pages to be created by which date, leaders to be appointed by which date?
Chris Beer: Inital pages to be created by which date, leaders to be appointed by which date? ←
15:09:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: as the people on the call, any chair volunteers?
Sandro Hawke: as the people on the call, any chair volunteers? ←
15:10:32 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we should quickly pick chairs
José Alonso: we should quickly pick chairs ←
15:10:50 <ChrisBeer> Happy to chair any of 4-6. will defer to the longer running members thought
Chris Beer: Happy to chair any of 4-6. will defer to the longer running members thought ←
15:10:53 <Cory> Ok, I guess I can start #2, since that should set the tone - but if a gov person wants to take it, that is ok.
Cory Casanave: Ok, I guess I can start #2, since that should set the tone - but if a gov person wants to take it, that is ok. ←
15:10:54 <ChrisBeer> *though
Chris Beer: *though ←
15:10:56 <sandro> web space set up by 2 weeks from now.
Sandro Hawke: web space set up by 2 weeks from now. ←
15:10:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: as a deadline for this (wiki setup and leaders) by 2 weeks
Sandro Hawke: as a deadline for this (wiki setup and leaders) by 2 weeks ←
15:11:03 <ChrisBeer> +1
Chris Beer: +1 ←
15:11:21 <ChrisBeer> Nominate George for Project 3 :)
Chris Beer: Nominate George for Project 3 :) ←
15:11:24 <Daniel_Bennett> #4 I can help with
#4 I can help with ←
15:11:43 <Cory> Cory volunteers George for #3
Cory Casanave: Cory volunteers George for #3 ←
15:12:03 <Daniel_Bennett> George for #3
George for #3 ←
15:12:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I will be working on nominations
José Alonso: I will be working on nominations ←
15:13:09 <ChrisBeer> If Dan wants 4, I'll take 5 or 6
Chris Beer: If Dan wants 4, I'll take 5 or 6 ←
15:13:21 <sandro> maybe "initial organizer", for the first meeting or two.
Sandro Hawke: maybe "initial organizer", for the first meeting or two. ←
15:14:16 <sandro> Rachel: co-chairing is less daunting....
Rachel Flagg: co-chairing is less daunting.... [ Scribe Assist by Sandro Hawke ] ←
15:14:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: I like the co chair idea
Rachel Flagg: I like the co chair idea ←
15:14:31 <ChrisBeer> +1 - accounts for TZs aswell
Chris Beer: +1 - accounts for TZs aswell ←
15:15:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: potential conflicts of time with groups
Sandro Hawke: potential conflicts of time with groups ←
15:15:38 <Daniel_Bennett> how about a wiki calendar
how about a wiki calendar ←
15:15:41 <Daniel_Bennett> ?
José Alonso: still thinking of 6 telecons? ←
15:15:55 <ChrisBeer> or could be seen with co-chairs as "shift work" :)
Chris Beer: or could be seen with co-chairs as "shift work" :) ←
15:16:08 <ChrisBeer> someone always on for each group
Chris Beer: someone always on for each group ←
15:17:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: reports from each group to this general call
Sandro Hawke: reports from each group to this general call ←
15:18:21 <josema> s/?/Jose: still thinking of 6 telecons?
15:19:31 <ChrisBeer> @jose (only as needed?)
Chris Beer: @jose (only as needed?) ←
15:20:29 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: coordinated survey can help figure which groups can meet when.
Sandro Hawke: coordinated survey can help figure which groups can meet when. ←
15:20:47 <josema> @chris, likely... I see many names repeated across projects, and I don't think it's realistic to have them joining 3-4 calls per week (or every other week), but maybe it's only me, I'd let them self-organize anyway
José Alonso: @chris, likely... I see many names repeated across projects, and I don't think it's realistic to have them joining 3-4 calls per week (or every other week), but maybe it's only me, I'd let them self-organize anyway ←
15:20:57 <Cory> Thinking a meeting for a group every 2 weeks would be ok, thus making fewer time slots
Cory Casanave: Thinking a meeting for a group every 2 weeks would be ok, thus making fewer time slots ←
15:21:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: lets leave this to chairs?
Sandro Hawke: lets leave this to chairs? ←
15:21:10 <ChrisBeer> +1 @jose
Chris Beer: +1 @jose ←
15:21:41 <ChrisBeer> +1 sando
Chris Beer: +1 sando ←
15:21:50 <ChrisBeer> *Sandro
Chris Beer: *Sandro ←
15:22:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Sandro: I can easily create this survey
Sandro Hawke: I can easily create this survey ←
15:22:37 <Cory> Great - Sandro has another task!
Cory Casanave: Great - Sandro has another task! ←
15:22:52 <ChrisBeer> lol
Chris Beer: lol ←
15:23:37 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: I thought I heard of a suggestion to merging groups
Ed Summers: I thought I heard of a suggestion to merging groups ←
15:23:46 <Cory> I was suggesting combining 1,2 to get started
Cory Casanave: I was suggesting combining 1,2 to get started ←
15:23:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Ed: and scheduling easier to sched
Ed Summers: and scheduling easier to sched ←
15:25:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: can you hear me know?
Owen Ambur: can you hear me know? ←
15:25:26 <Daniel_Bennett> owen is breaking up
owen is breaking up ←
15:26:05 <josema> please
José Alonso: please ←
15:27:08 <Owen> I hope the social media project group can demonstrate the use of better tools than teleconferencing to accomplish our task.
Owen Ambur: I hope the social media project group can demonstrate the use of better tools than teleconferencing to accomplish our task. ←
15:27:14 <ChrisBeer> (as far as chairs/projects/whatever goes)
Chris Beer: (as far as chairs/projects/whatever goes) ←
15:27:22 <ChrisBeer> +1 owen
Chris Beer: +1 owen ←
<sandro> Topic: Next Scribe
15:27:33 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: scribe volunteer
José Alonso: scribe volunteer ←
15:27:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I will be scribe
José Alonso: I will be scribe ←
15:27:50 <Daniel_Bennett> everyone cheers for Jose
everyone cheers for Jose ←
15:27:55 <ChrisBeer> lol
Chris Beer: lol ←
15:28:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: adjourn
José Alonso: adjourn ←
15:28:02 <Daniel_Bennett> bye all
bye all ←
15:28:03 <Zakim> -Rachel
Zakim IRC Bot: -Rachel ←
15:28:03 <Cory> bye
Cory Casanave: bye ←
15:28:05 <Zakim> -Sandro
Zakim IRC Bot: -Sandro ←
15:28:07 <Zakim> -Ed_Summers
Zakim IRC Bot: -Ed_Summers ←
15:28:07 <ChrisBeer> bye
Chris Beer: bye ←
15:28:08 <Zakim> -Daniel_Bennett
Zakim IRC Bot: -Daniel_Bennett ←
15:28:08 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
15:28:10 <Zakim> -Cory
Zakim IRC Bot: -Cory ←
15:28:16 <lselmi> bye
Luigi Selmi: bye ←
15:28:32 <sandro> Daniel_Bennett, do you know what to do as scribe?
Sandro Hawke: Daniel_Bennett, do you know what to do as scribe? ←
15:28:50 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
Sandro Hawke: RRSAgent, pointer? ←
15:28:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-egov-irc#T15-28-50
RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2010/01/20-egov-irc#T15-28-50 ←
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