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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 May 2009

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12:58:35 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-irc

RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-egov-irc

12:58:37 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public

12:58:39 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV

12:58:40 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:58:40 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009
12:58:48 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

12:58:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

12:59:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM already started

12:59:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P15

12:59:37 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

12:59:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

12:59:59 <Zakim> +Rodrigo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rodrigo

13:00:01 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aaaa

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aaaa

13:00:04 <John> I am on my iPhone for IRC

John Sheridan: I am on my iPhone for IRC

13:00:11 <josema> zakim, Rodrigo is me

José Alonso: zakim, Rodrigo is me

13:00:17 <Zakim> +josema; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it

13:00:23 <Zakim> +??P33

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P33

13:00:30 <davemc> ya'll aren't hearing me, will dial back in

Dave McAllister: ya'll aren't hearing me, will dial back in

13:00:52 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: -[IPcaller]

13:01:20 <Zakim> +Rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: +Rachel

13:01:26 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Kevin

José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is Kevin

13:01:26 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Kevin; got it

13:01:48 <Zakim> +??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P7

13:01:54 <josema> zakim, IPcaller is Owen

José Alonso: zakim, IPcaller is Owen

13:01:54 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'IPcaller'

13:02:01 <josema> zakim, [IPcaller] is Owen

José Alonso: zakim, [IPcaller] is Owen

13:02:01 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named '[IPcaller]'

13:02:05 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P15, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, ??P7

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P15, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, ??P7

13:02:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

13:02:14 <josema> zakim, ??P7 is dave

José Alonso: zakim, ??P7 is dave

13:02:20 <Zakim> +dave; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +dave; got it

13:02:20 <josema> zakim, ??P7 is davemc

José Alonso: zakim, ??P7 is davemc

13:02:28 <Zakim> I already had ??P7 as dave, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P7 as dave, josema

13:02:34 <josema> zakim, dave is davemc

José Alonso: zakim, dave is davemc

13:02:40 <Zakim> +davemc; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +davemc; got it

13:03:05 <josema> zakim, ??P15 is probably John

José Alonso: zakim, ??P15 is probably John

13:03:20 <Zakim> +John?; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +John?; got it

13:03:41 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:03:49 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

José Alonso: zakim, who's noisy?

13:04:46 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rachel (63%), Kevin (89%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Rachel (63%), Kevin (89%)

13:05:18 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:05:19 <Zakim> + +1.202.564.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.564.aabb

13:05:29 <davemc> pretty responsive here

Dave McAllister: pretty responsive here

13:05:31 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.319.aacc - is perhaps Daniel_Bennett

13:05:33 <josema> zakim, aabb is probably Brand

José Alonso: zakim, aabb is probably Brand

13:05:41 <Daniel_Bennett> yes, aabb is Daniel

Daniel Bennett: yes, aabb is Daniel

13:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, +1.202.564.aabb, Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, +1.202.564.aabb, Daniel_Bennett

13:05:47 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:05:55 <Zakim> +Brand?; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Brand?; got it

13:06:03 <josema> zakim, aabb is Brand

José Alonso: zakim, aabb is Brand

13:06:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett

13:06:08 <Daniel_Bennett> whoops 202-319-aabb is Daniel

Daniel Bennett: whoops 202-319-aabb is Daniel

13:06:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

13:06:15 <josema> it's fine :)

José Alonso: it's fine :)

13:06:21 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aabb'

13:07:06 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:07:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see John?, josema, Kevin, ??P33, Rachel, davemc, Brand?, Daniel_Bennett

13:07:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Daniel_Bennett, Rachel, RRSAgent, Owen, Zakim, davemc, John, josema, kevin, trackbot

13:07:31 <josema> zakim, ??P33 is probably Owen

José Alonso: zakim, ??P33 is probably Owen

13:07:31 <Zakim> +Owen?; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Owen?; got it

13:07:49 <josema> chairs: john, kevin

Scribe problem: the name 'chairs' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown chairs: john, kevin [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:07:55 <Daniel_Bennett> is Twibe official?

Daniel Bennett: is Twibe official?

13:08:00 <josema> take up next agendum

José Alonso: take up next agendum

13:08:13 <josema> kevin: any volunteers?

Kevin Novak: any volunteers? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:08:23 <josema> ... adjustments?

José Alonso: ... adjustments?

13:08:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin wanted to discuss the panel this summer

Daniel Bennett: Kevin wanted to discuss the panel this summer

13:08:49 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

13:08:53 <josema> agenda?

agenda?

13:09:03 <josema> take up next agendum

take up next agendum

13:09:19 <josema> [kevin thanks everybody for the work on the Note]

[kevin thanks everybody for the work on the Note]

13:09:47 <josema> [kevin refers to: http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/]

[kevin refers to: http://thedesignstate.com/national-design-policy-council-video/]

13:10:51 <josema> kevin: doc puts up in very good position to help governments

Kevin Novak: doc puts up in very good position to help governments

13:11:15 <josema> john: agree, kevin also sent appreciation note to Jose's W3C collagues

John Sheridan: agree, kevin also sent appreciation note to Jose's W3C collagues

13:11:23 <josema> ...I'm sure we all endorse as group

...I'm sure we all endorse as group

13:11:35 <davemc> +! Kudos to Jose are deserved

Dave McAllister: +! Kudos to Jose are deserved

13:11:40 <josema> ...think this will be an important resource for people

...think this will be an important resource for people

13:14:01 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aadd

Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aadd

13:14:29 <josema> [jose thanks all and is happy to see this finally published, eager to discuss next steps]

[jose thanks all and is happy to see this finally published, eager to discuss next steps]

13:14:35 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar

zakim, aadd is oscar

13:14:35 <Zakim> +oscar; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it

13:15:00 <josema> owen: also sent message to several lists

Owen Ambur: also sent message to several lists

13:15:10 <josema> daniel: great work, what next?

Daniel Bennett: great work, what next?

13:15:19 <Zakim> + +1.512.797.aaee

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.512.797.aaee

13:15:32 <josema> owen: what about timbl + kevin to meet with Kundra?

Owen Ambur: what about timbl + kevin to meet with Kundra?

13:15:42 <josema> kevin: I'd be happy to do so

Kevin Novak: I'd be happy to do so

13:16:33 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

zakim, who's noisy?

13:16:43 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John? (29%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: John? (29%)

13:17:30 <josema> zakim, aaee is sharron

zakim, aaee is sharron

13:17:30 <Zakim> +sharron; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +sharron; got it

13:17:39 <josema> agenda?

agenda?

13:18:56 <josema> [jose mentions charter extension]

[jose mentions charter extension]

13:19:20 <josema> take up next agendum

take up next agendum

13:22:21 <Zakim> -oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar

13:22:57 <josema> [john gives summary of EU PSI directive, COM, status]

[john gives summary of EU PSI directive, COM, status]

13:23:42 <josema> [on PSI directive: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/index_en.htm]

[on EU PSI directive: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/actions_eu/policy_actions/index_en.htm]

13:23:49 <josema> s/PSI/EU PSI
13:24:06 <josema> [john on need of transposition and deadlines]

[john on need of transposition and deadlines]

13:25:58 <josema> john: enabling people to create their own services have helped move the agenda in the UK

John Sheridan: enabling people to create their own services have helped move the agenda in the UK

13:26:25 <Zakim> +oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar

13:27:09 <Zakim> +Ken

Zakim IRC Bot: +Ken

13:27:13 <Zakim> -sharron

Zakim IRC Bot: -sharron

13:28:44 <Zakim> +sharron

Zakim IRC Bot: +sharron

13:28:58 <josema> jose: the examples in the COM caught my eye

José Alonso: the examples in the COM caught my eye

13:29:22 <josema> COM: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0212:FIN:EN:PDF

Scribe problem: the name 'COM' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown COM: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=COM:2009:0212:FIN:EN:PDF

13:29:52 <josema> john: I'm not planning to go to SemTech at the moment

John Sheridan: I'm not planning to go to SemTech at the moment

13:30:13 <josema> kevin: there's opportunity to speak but no travel funding

Kevin Novak: there's opportunity to speak but no travel funding

13:31:05 <josema> [open government initiative event]

[open government innovations event]

13:31:43 <josema> ->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009May/0035 thread start

->http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-egov-ig/2009May/0035 thread start

13:32:01 <josema> s/initiative/innovations
13:32:16 <josema> [opportunity to organize a panel there]

Daniel Bennett: opportunity to organize a panel there

13:32:36 <josema> s/[opportunity to organize a panel there]/daniel: opportunity to organize a panel there
13:32:52 <josema> ... some volunteered, plan to organize the panel around the Note content

... some volunteered, plan to organize the panel around the Note content

13:33:15 <josema> [personal democracy forum]

[personal democracy forum]

13:34:06 <josema> daniel: held yearly in NYC, went last year, end of June this year

Daniel Bennett: held yearly in NYC, went last year, end of June this year

13:34:28 <josema> ...hosted by TechPresident, several high profiles speakers

...hosted by TechPresident, several high profiles speakers

13:35:00 <josema> kevin: do you see opportunity to participate there wrt Note?

Kevin Novak: do you see opportunity to participate there wrt Note?

13:35:23 <josema> daniel: I can ask Micah Sifry

Daniel Bennett: I can ask Micah Sifry

13:35:29 <josema> zakim, who's noisy?

zakim, who's noisy?

13:35:39 <Zakim> josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: oscar (28%), John? (99%)

Zakim IRC Bot: josema, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: oscar (28%), John? (99%)

13:35:44 <josema> zakim, mute oscar

zakim, mute oscar

13:35:44 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should now be muted

13:36:16 <Zakim> -oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar

13:36:18 <josema> john: we have a meeting tomorrow, Beth Noveck to give talk via videolink on OGD

John Sheridan: we have a meeting tomorrow, Beth Noveck to give talk via videolink on OGD

13:37:05 <josema> ...easy to find, easy to use, easy to reuse ?? is the title

...easy to find, easy to use, easy to reuse ?? is the title

13:38:19 <josema> [kevin re-reads activity plan and asks people to let group know of opportunities where we could talk about Note]

[kevin re-reads activity plan and asks people to let group know of opportunities where we could talk about Note]

13:40:00 <josema> take up next agendum

take up next agendum

13:40:31 <Zakim> +oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar

13:40:32 <josema> [kevin reminds satisfaction after challenging initial period]

[kevin reminds satisfaction after challenging initial period]

13:42:30 <davemc> go for it.  Let's hear them

Dave McAllister: go for it. Let's hear them

13:43:24 <Rachel> one challenge - learning w3c operating procedures, took a while for group to get up to speed

Rachel Flagg: one challenge - learning w3c operating procedures, took a while for group to get up to speed

13:43:50 <kevin> just a quick note that the twibe group EGOV is official. I set it up last week

Kevin Novak: just a quick note that the twibe group EGOV is official. I set it up last week

13:44:12 <Rachel> VERY important for folks to take turns scribing

Rachel Flagg: VERY important for folks to take turns scribing

13:44:48 <Rachel> if Jose scribes, his time is divided between talking & typing and it is hard to do both well

Rachel Flagg: if Jose scribes, his time is divided between talking & typing and it is hard to do both well

13:45:12 <davemc> I didn't attend the f2f, but the minutes were quite useful in coming up to speed.

Dave McAllister: I didn't attend the f2f, but the minutes were quite useful in coming up to speed.

13:45:20 <Rachel> so Step Up people!!!!!

Rachel Flagg: so Step Up people!!!!!

13:46:19 <Zakim> -Brand?

Scribe problem: the name 'Brand?' does not match any of the 56 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Aldo Gangemi Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Bede McCall Benjamin Nguyen Brand Niemann Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett Dave McAllister David Osimo Faisal Monai George Thomas Hugh Barnes Ilker Karakas Jacob Mumm Jeremiah Albrant Joe Carmel John Sheridan John Wonderlich Jonathan Gray José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Ken Fischer Kendall Clark Kevin Novak Laila Benhlima Luigi Selmi Malcolm Crompton Maria Fernandez Ruiz Martin Mollema Miguel Amutio Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Sharron Rush Suzanne Acar Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Zakim IRC Bot: -Brand?

13:46:25 <Rachel> ideas - appoint a scribe at end of one call, to scribe the next call.

Rachel Flagg: ideas - appoint a scribe at end of one call, to scribe the next call.

13:46:46 <Rachel> Idea - if you are assigned to scribe and can't make the meeting, you are responsible to find a replacement

Rachel Flagg: Idea - if you are assigned to scribe and can't make the meeting, you are responsible to find a replacement

13:46:47 <josema> scribe: Rachel

(Scribe set to Rachel Flagg)

13:47:04 <josema> dave refers to this one: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List

José Alonso: dave refers to this one: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Scribe_List

13:47:04 <Rachel> idea - if no one steps up to scribe, there is no meeting

idea - if no one steps up to scribe, there is no meeting

13:48:22 <Rachel> one challenge as group started was that most participants were new to w3c, new to IRC, may not have had access to IRC from work computer

one challenge as group started was that most participants were new to w3c, new to IRC, may not have had access to IRC from work computer

13:48:24 <John> I liked Daniel's suggestion

John Sheridan: I liked Daniel's suggestion

13:48:43 <John> as a step

John Sheridan: as a step

13:49:23 <davemc> +1 Daniel's suggestion

Dave McAllister: +1 Daniel's suggestion

13:49:52 <josema> [Daniel volunteers to scribe next meeting]

José Alonso: [Daniel volunteers to scribe next meeting]

13:50:48 <Rachel> one barrier to scribing is not being familiar w/voices & names

one barrier to scribing is not being familiar w/voices & names

13:50:49 <John> Like Sharron did at our last meeting

John Sheridan: Like Sharron did at our last meeting

13:51:16 <Rachel> if you are new to the group, ask speakers to identify themselves before speaking

if you are new to the group, ask speakers to identify themselves before speaking

13:51:18 <josema> [Sharron volunteers as backup]

José Alonso: [Sharron volunteers as backup]

13:53:43 <josema> [Rachel volunteers to edit docs]

José Alonso: [Rachel volunteers to edit docs]

13:54:17 <josema> kevin: "rapid issue releases"

Kevin Novak: "rapid issue releases" [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ]

13:54:17 <John> Exactly +1

John Sheridan: Exactly +1

13:54:23 <josema> +1

José Alonso: +1

13:54:27 <davemc> +1

Dave McAllister: +1

13:54:45 <John> No more 'war and peace'

John Sheridan: No more 'war and peace'

13:55:08 <John> (as in the novel)

John Sheridan: (as in the novel)

13:55:25 <Zakim> -oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar

13:58:05 <josema> scribe: josema

(Scribe set to José Alonso)

13:58:25 <josema> [john on http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/]

[john on http://sandbox.opsi.gov.uk/]

13:58:34 <Zakim> +oscar

Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar

13:58:45 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar

zakim, unmute oscar

13:58:45 <Zakim> oscar was not muted, josema

Zakim IRC Bot: oscar was not muted, josema

13:59:20 <josema> john: if you want to talk about something you need to be able to identify it

John Sheridan: if you want to talk about something you need to be able to identify it

13:59:38 <josema> ...e.g. you need to be able to point to a paragraph

...e.g. you need to be able to point to a paragraph

14:00:04 <John> You can't "mash" a PDF easily

John Sheridan: You can't "mash" a PDF easily

14:00:39 <josema> daniel: putting stuff up in XML allows for this sort of stuff

Daniel Bennett: putting stuff up in XML allows for this sort of stuff

14:00:45 <josema> ...using XPointer, etc.

...using XPointer, etc.

14:01:09 <davemc> let's discuss mashing PDF separately.   Technical point of order

Dave McAllister: let's discuss mashing PDF separately. Technical point of order

14:02:10 <josema> owen: I think that john's example is interesting to show that governments do not get it

Owen Ambur: I think that john's example is interesting to show that governments do not get it

14:02:25 <John> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:02:28 <josema> ...XML->PDF automatically is doable, opposite not true

...XML->PDF automatically is doable, opposite not true

14:02:55 <josema> dave: PDF purpose is to show exact replica of doc, not to have pointers to this or that

Dave McAllister: PDF purpose is to show exact replica of doc, not to have pointers to this or that

14:03:25 <josema> ...XML made for that, not a PDF expert but heard from them it's even possible with PDF

...XML made for that, not a PDF expert but heard from them it's even possible with PDF

14:03:58 <John> Is bad PDF like bad HTML - you can do better but people often don't?

John Sheridan: Is bad PDF like bad HTML - you can do better but people often don't?

14:04:20 <josema> kevin: respect both paths here, we want to provide as much data as possible

Kevin Novak: respect both paths here, we want to provide as much data as possible

14:04:44 <davemc> PDF to XPDF is available via free technology from Adobe  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/

Dave McAllister: PDF to XPDF is available via free technology from Adobe http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/mars/

14:04:46 <josema> daniel: we should not shy away with getting into discussion about formats with respect

Daniel Bennett: we should not shy away with getting into discussion about formats with respect

14:05:12 <John> yup, the point is the URI

John Sheridan: yup, the point is the URI

14:05:30 <josema> dave: agree and believe there are principles that could be applicable to a variety of formats

Dave McAllister: agree and believe there are principles that could be applicable to a variety of formats

14:06:00 <josema> oscar: PDF is wonderful technology, but I was trying to point out in the doc it's difficult to get data out

Oscar Azanon Esteire: PDF is wonderful technology, but I was trying to point out in the doc it's difficult to get data out

14:06:24 <josema> ...probably a technology that it's used in the wrong context in many cases, hence the issues

...probably a technology that it's used in the wrong context in many cases, hence the issues

14:06:38 <josema> ...this is something we could also work on in the future

...this is something we could also work on in the future

14:06:50 <josema> ...formats are of paramount importance

...formats are of paramount importance

14:07:02 <josema> daniel: sandbox stuff is wonderful

Daniel Bennett: sandbox stuff is wonderful

14:07:22 <josema> ...having techniques for dealing with that sort of information is always useful

...having techniques for dealing with that sort of information is always useful

14:08:55 <josema> dave: US Courts have 350Mio docs in PDFs, we should be careful not to break the leal tracks when structuring the data

Dave McAllister: US Courts have 350Mio docs in PDFs, we should be careful not to break the leal tracks when structuring the data

14:09:26 <josema> rachel: 99% of people dealing with content don't have a clear idea of what XML, this needs a cultural change, capability building

Rachel Flagg: 99% of people dealing with content don't have a clear idea of what XML, this needs a cultural change, capability building

14:10:29 <josema> daniel: brilliant point

Daniel Bennett: brilliant point

14:11:09 <josema> rachel: people do not easily move to do something differently

Rachel Flagg: people do not easily move to do something differently

14:11:38 <josema> kevin: I believe those are things to potentially incorporate in 2nd charter

Kevin Novak: I believe those are things to potentially incorporate in 2nd charter

14:11:59 <josema> ...better communication to ???

...better communication to ???

14:12:12 <josema> ...is that something we want to build onto?

...is that something we want to build onto?

14:12:35 <josema> dave: agree???

Dave McAllister: agree???

14:12:41 <josema> agenda?

agenda?

14:13:36 <John> We just drifted - no conspiracy :)

John Sheridan: We just drifted - no conspiracy :)

14:16:15 <John> my view, we worked best as one group

John Sheridan: my view, we worked best as one group

14:16:22 <josema> [jose on TFs expectations different from outcome]

[jose on TFs expectations different from outcome]

14:16:47 <josema> oscar: agree, don't think they have worked very well, we might want to explore something different

Oscar Azanon Esteire: agree, don't think they have worked very well, we might want to explore something different

14:17:16 <Sharron> agree, re-org is good idea

Sharron Rush: agree, re-org is good idea

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14:20:16 <dmcallis> sorry, my internet connection dropped

Dave McAllister: sorry, my internet connection dropped

14:20:25 <josema> rachel: suggest to have a pre-marketing plan for next docs

Rachel Flagg: suggest to have a pre-marketing plan for next docs

14:20:30 <josema> kevin: agree

Kevin Novak: agree

14:21:45 <josema> owen: key issue is to identify and establish comms with stakeholders

Owen Ambur: key issue is to identify and establish comms with stakeholders

14:22:51 <josema> take up next agendum

take up next agendum

14:22:51 <Rachel> also identify channels where we want to distribute message - twitter, etc

Rachel Flagg: also identify channels where we want to distribute message - twitter, etc

14:23:26 <josema> kevin: need to get a draft of 2nd charter in June

Kevin Novak: need to get a draft of 2nd charter in June

14:24:11 <josema> kevin: homework assignment: should the IG focus on less topics?

Kevin Novak: homework assignment: should the IG focus on less topics?

14:24:30 <josema> ...think about it, go through paper, identify some

...think about it, go through paper, identify some

14:24:45 <josema> ...I feel each of major areas in paper are very timely and applicable

...I feel each of major areas in paper are very timely and applicable

14:25:00 <josema> ...I'd like to preserve those categories if doable with resources we have

...I'd like to preserve those categories if doable with resources we have

14:25:07 <John> maybe we should do a 'divide the dollar' exercise to priopritise?

John Sheridan: maybe we should do a 'divide the dollar' exercise to priopritise?

14:25:26 <josema> owen: point is who wants to work on what?

Owen Ambur: point is who wants to work on what?

14:25:49 <josema> ...I'd be more than willing to document goals and stakeholders in StratML

...I'd be more than willing to document goals and stakeholders in StratML

14:25:55 <josema> oscar: I'd need some time to think about it

Oscar Azanon Esteire: I'd need some time to think about it

14:26:02 <josema> ...start thread by email

...start thread by email

14:27:34 <josema> daniel: I would be a little bit worried about trying to do many things at once

Daniel Bennett: I would be a little bit worried about trying to do many things at once

14:27:58 <josema> ...as owen said we should question ourselves if we are meeting stakeholders' needs

...as owen said we should question ourselves if we are meeting stakeholders' needs

14:28:47 <josema> john: I think we need to prioritize, we cover a broad are now on Note

John Sheridan: I think we need to prioritize, we cover a broad are now on Note

14:29:02 <josema> ...we need to pick those places where we can make most impact

...we need to pick those places where we can make most impact

14:29:15 <josema> ...strongest level of participation and expertise

...strongest level of participation and expertise

14:29:24 <josema> ...go through a conversation as a group

...go through a conversation as a group

14:29:29 <josema> ...to identify them

...to identify them

14:29:37 <josema> +1

+1

14:30:10 <josema> kevin: I think we are all saying same thing, agree with both

Kevin Novak: I think we are all saying same thing, agree with both

14:30:48 <josema> ...March F2F had great participation that allowed us to be where we are today

...March F2F had great participation that allowed us to be where we are today

14:31:28 <josema> ...reason why I'm also interested in marketing our efforts, led to this good position

...reason why I'm also interested in marketing our efforts, led to this good position

14:31:44 <josema> rachel: what are the end result we want for stage 2?

Rachel Flagg: what are the end result we want for stage 2?

14:32:02 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

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14:32:26 <josema> kevin: I think we need to start solving what we can solve out of those issues we identified already

Kevin Novak: I think we need to start solving what we can solve out of those issues we identified already

14:32:34 <Zakim> -oscar

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14:32:38 <John> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:32:53 <josema> ...we have lots of questions in there, need to address them

...we have lots of questions in there, need to address them

14:32:55 <josema> +1

+1

14:33:07 <John> plural - documents

John Sheridan: plural - documents

14:34:01 <josema> john: no way we'll solve all issues identified

John Sheridan: no way we'll solve all issues identified

14:34:21 <josema> ...but if we focus well we can achieve success in small amounts

...but if we focus well we can achieve success in small amounts

14:34:25 <josema> ...going step by step

...going step by step

14:34:38 <Zakim> -sharron

Zakim IRC Bot: -sharron

14:34:40 <Sharron> must go, bye all til next time.

Sharron Rush: must go, bye all til next time.

14:35:36 <josema> kevin: I think we need to be open

Kevin Novak: I think we need to be open

14:35:59 <John> so, year 2, solutions to issues, severaldocs, but agile and responsive

John Sheridan: so, year 2, solutions to issues, severaldocs, but agile and responsive

14:37:40 <John> Normative sounds scary...

John Sheridan: Normative sounds scary...

14:38:07 <josema> not that much ;)

not that much ;)

14:38:45 <josema> ACTION: josema to send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc.

ACTION: josema to send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc.

14:38:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-63 - Send message to list about different publishing options rec/BPS/etc. [on José Manuel Alonso - due 2009-05-20].

14:39:41 <josema> owen: +1 to produce smaller docs and reference better existing ones

Owen Ambur: +1 to produce smaller docs and reference better existing ones

14:41:01 <josema> kevin: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas, description as specific as possible around this next week, get together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus around it?

Kevin Novak: can everybody commit to submit messages with ideas, description as specific as possible around this next week, get together in 2 weeks time and review that list and build consensus around it?

14:41:05 <josema> [all agree]

[all agree]

14:42:01 <josema> [kevin to touch base with Karen get back to group on marketing plan]

[kevin to touch base with Karen get back to group on marketing plan]

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14:44:21 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

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