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eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

Minutes of 01 April 2009

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12:47:10 <josema> josema has changed the topic to: Group call: April 1, 13:00Z

José Alonso: josema has changed the topic to: Group call: April 1, 13:00Z

12:52:09 <josema> agenda+ Scribe, agenda adjustments

José Alonso: agenda+ Scribe, agenda adjustments

12:52:24 <josema> agenda+ Any new Members around? Intros.

José Alonso: agenda+ Any new Members around? Intros.

12:52:54 <josema> agenda+ Group Note Issues

José Alonso: agenda+ Group Note Issues

12:53:12 <josema> agenda+ F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions

José Alonso: agenda+ F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions

12:53:32 <josema> agenda+ 2nd Charter and way forward

José Alonso: agenda+ 2nd Charter and way forward

12:53:46 <josema> agenda+ What's going on out there?

José Alonso: agenda+ What's going on out there?

12:54:10 <josema> agenda+ Next Call: proposed April 15, 13:00Z

José Alonso: agenda+ Next Call: proposed April 15, 13:00Z

12:54:13 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

12:54:28 <josema> zakim, this will be egov

José Alonso: zakim, this will be egov

12:54:28 <Zakim> ok, josema; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes

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12:59:39 <josema> trackbot, start telcon

José Alonso: trackbot, start telcon

12:59:40 <Zakim> +rachel

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12:59:41 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public

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12:59:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV

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12:59:44 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
12:59:44 <trackbot> Date: 01 April 2009
12:59:52 <josema> chair: kevin, john
13:00:19 <Zakim> + +1.703.994.aaaa

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13:00:24 <Zakim> + +1.202.319.aabb

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13:01:12 <Zakim> +josema

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13:01:41 <josema> zakim, aabb is Daniel_Bennett

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13:01:42 <Zakim> +Daniel_Bennett; got it

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13:02:07 <Zakim> +??P12

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13:02:08 <josema> zakim, aaaa is Ken

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13:02:09 <Zakim> +Ken; got it

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13:02:37 <josema> zakim, ??P12 is Owen

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13:02:37 <Zakim> +Owen; got it

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13:02:43 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen

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13:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot

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13:02:46 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:03:20 <Zakim> +??P13

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13:03:37 <josema> zakim, ??P13 is dmcallis

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13:03:37 <Zakim> +dmcallis; got it

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13:05:02 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:05:09 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:05:18 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis

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13:05:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot

13:05:42 <josema> regrets+ Chris

José Alonso: regrets+ Chris

13:05:56 <dmcallis> dmcallis == DaveMcAllister, Adobe (magic decoder ring)

Dave McAllister: dmcallis == DaveMcAllister, Adobe (magic decoder ring)

13:06:16 <Zakim> +AIA

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13:06:29 <josema> zakim, AIA is Kevin

José Alonso: zakim, AIA is Kevin

13:06:29 <Zakim> +Kevin; got it

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13:06:35 <josema> zakim, who's here?

José Alonso: zakim, who's here?

13:06:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see rachel, Ken, Daniel_Bennett, josema, Owen, dmcallis, Kevin

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13:06:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see Owen, Rachel, dmcallis, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, Daniel_Bennett, trackbot

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13:07:03 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:07:37 <josema> zakim, Kevin is kevin

José Alonso: zakim, Kevin is kevin

13:07:37 <Zakim> +kevin; got it

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13:07:42 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:08:33 <josema> next agendum

José Alonso: next agendum

13:08:47 <josema> scribe: Daniel

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13:08:58 <josema> scribeNick: Daniel_Bennet

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13:09:14 <josema> next agendum

José Alonso: next agendum

13:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I can still type

I have been taking some good comments from outside and use the tracker. trying to find a balance on how to handle input.: I can still type

13:09:21 <josema> zakim, close this agendum

José Alonso: zakim, close this agendum

13:09:21 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed

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13:09:22 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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13:09:23 <Zakim> 2. Any new Members around? Intros. [from josema]

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13:09:25 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

13:09:25 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Any new Members around? Intros." taken up [from josema]

1. Any new Members around? Intros.

13:09:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: Hello from Adobe (DaveMcAllister)

Dave McAllister: Hello from Adobe (DaveMcAllister)

13:10:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken Fischer: Hi to group

Ken Fischer: Hi to group

13:10:23 <josema> [dave heads standards work at Adobe]

José Alonso: [dave heads standards work at Adobe]

13:10:31 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

13:10:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Group Note Issues" taken up [from josema]

2. Group Note Issues

13:10:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: talking about comments on group notes

Kevin Novak: talking about comments on group notes

13:11:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Keven: issue of ensuring that notes can be read by non-technical readers

... issue of ensuring that notes can be read by non-technical readers

13:11:35 <josema> s/Keven:/...
13:11:56 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Kevin: we still have a ways to go on changing text to easier to understand by non-techs

s/Kevin: we still have a ways to go on changing text to easier to understand by non-techs

13:12:46 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Jose/ I have been taking some good comments from outside and use the tracker. trying to find a balance on how to handle input.
13:13:00 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/issues/open

13:13:23 <Daniel_Bennett> s/Jose/ I will put a link on IRC of the tracker that we can use to take in comments/edits
13:13:41 <Daniel_Bennett> sorry

sorry

13:14:06 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

13:14:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

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13:14:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Has a comment for Daniel about format of his section

Kevin Novak: Has a comment for Daniel about format of his section

13:14:56 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: had comment that Daniel's section should reflect overall outline

José Alonso: had comment that Daniel's section should reflect overall outline

13:15:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: says I know and will change the document accordingly

Daniel Bennett: says I know and will change the document accordingly

13:16:18 <Zakim> +john

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13:17:08 <john> Sorry I'm late - just joined the call

John Sheridan: Sorry I'm late - just joined the call

13:17:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: thinks that use cases and more solutions should be added

Kevin Novak: thinks that use cases and more solutions should be added

13:17:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: I agree

Daniel Bennett: I agree

13:17:31 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Hi

John Sheridan: Hi

13:18:05 <Zakim> + +1.410.992.aacc - is perhaps Joe?

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.410.992.aacc - is perhaps Joe?

13:18:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: how should we handle the comment period by April 26

José Alonso: how should we handle the comment period by April 26

13:19:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: How should we balance the comments before vs after?

José Alonso: How should we balance the comments before vs after?

13:19:56 <Daniel_Bennett> fix above: Jose: How to handle editing while comments are coming in?

fix above: Jose: How to handle editing while comments are coming in?

13:21:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: It will get complicated if we dont hold off on editing.

Daniel Bennett: It will get complicated if we dont hold off on editing.

13:21:40 <Daniel_Bennett> John: I agree that it will be hard to account for changes made while edits are coming out.

Kevin Novak: I agree that it will be hard to account for changes made while edits are coming out.

13:21:47 <dmcallis> I agree.  We should consider them (and potential resolutions) but leave the document static till the open date ends

Dave McAllister: I agree. We should consider them (and potential resolutions) but leave the document static till the open date ends

13:22:05 <josema> s/John/Kevin
13:22:27 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin:This may be a problem for dates, but still a problem to keep editing.

Kevin Novak: This may be a problem for dates, but still a problem to keep editing.

13:22:46 <Daniel_Bennett> John: I agree.

John Sheridan: I agree.

13:24:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: If we try to get to everything done by date that may not be helpful for the standards.

Kevin Novak: If we try to get to everything done by date that may not be helpful for the standards.

13:25:06 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Process wise for W3C we need to either ask for a delay or we need to finish by the date.

José Alonso: Process wise for W3C we need to either ask for a delay or we need to finish by the date.

13:25:38 <Daniel_Bennett> " I would like to have effort to finish the charter in time. Delay only if must.

" I would like to have effort to finish the charter in time. Delay only if must.

13:26:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Trying to keep a lot happening while respecting the process.

Kevin Novak: Trying to keep a lot happening while respecting the process.

13:26:22 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: laughs

José Alonso: laughs

13:26:22 <john> devils advocate?

John Sheridan: devils advocate?

13:27:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: my question is answered. first wait for comments then work on editing.

José Alonso: my question is answered. first wait for comments then work on editing.

13:27:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: we need a call for additional authors.

José Alonso: we need a call for additional authors.

13:28:25 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: not written in stone who the authors are, please, please, please volunteer

José Alonso: not written in stone who the authors are, please, please, please volunteer

13:28:33 <Daniel_Bennett> " especially new members

" especially new members

13:28:40 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:28:58 <dmcallis> will review the sections to see if I can add value as author

Dave McAllister: will review the sections to see if I can add value as author

13:29:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: You did put out a call?

Kevin Novak: You did put out a call?

13:30:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I talked with someone at Adobe about some of the sections

Kevin Novak: I talked with Larry at Adobe about some of the sections

13:30:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: clarifies who was talked with.

Dave McAllister: clarifies who was talked with.

13:30:16 <josema> s/someone/Larry
13:30:30 <dmcallis> s/Larry/Larry Masinter
13:31:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: If we target the 15th for new material would that be a good date?

Kevin Novak: If we target the 15th for new material would that be a good date?

13:31:48 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aadd

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13:31:49 <Daniel_Bennett> John: agrees

John Sheridan: agrees

13:32:14 <ocr> zakim, aadd is ocr

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13:32:14 <Zakim> +ocr; got it

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13:32:15 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: is that reasonable for the authors?

Kevin Novak: is that reasonable for the authors?

13:32:27 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar

José Alonso: zakim, aadd is oscar

13:32:27 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

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13:32:32 <josema> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/

José Alonso: http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-egov-improving-20090310/

13:33:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: not done sections are- Multi-channel Deliver and Long term data mgnt.

José Alonso: not done sections are- Multi-channel Deliver and Long term data mgnt.

13:34:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: I can not do the Multi-Channel Delivery so still looking, Long Term Data was going to be with Chris

José Alonso: I can not do the Multi-Channel Delivery so still looking, Long Term Data was going to be with Chris

13:35:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Chris has an outline

Kevin Novak: Chris has an outline

13:35:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Chris told me that it is almost done

José Alonso: Chris told me that it is almost done

13:35:39 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I will talk to him tomorrow.

Kevin Novak: I will talk to him tomorrow.

13:36:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: Just publish or work on stuff as soon as possible.

José Alonso: Just publish or work on stuff as soon as possible.

13:36:22 <Daniel_Bennett> " use the wiki

" use the wiki

13:36:43 <josema> editor's draft: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

José Alonso: editor's draft: http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/Group/docs/note

13:36:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: asks for link to editable for editing

Joe Carmel: asks for link to editable for editing

13:37:15 <josema> I personally would prefer to have something on http://www.w3.org/Mobile/

José Alonso: I personally would prefer to have something on http://www.w3.org/Mobile/

13:37:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what about just dropping Multi Channel  or what is that?

Joe Carmel: what about just dropping Multi Channel or what is that?

13:37:24 <josema> ...at least

José Alonso: ...at least

13:38:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: We will try and get this dealing with social, etc. included

Kevin Novak: We will try and get this dealing with social, etc. included

13:38:32 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: just say mobile? and focus on interop

Joe Carmel: just say mobile? and focus on interop

13:38:35 <dmcallis> multi channel == mobile, MID, desktop, living room (TV)

Dave McAllister: multi channel == mobile, MID, desktop, living room (TV)

13:39:10 <dmcallis> major impact on data viewing structure

Dave McAllister: major impact on data viewing structure

13:39:27 <josema> right Dave, issue is a)we don't have expertise in Group to talk about all of that b)we decided at the F2F that Mobile was enough for now

José Alonso: right Dave, issue is a)we don't have expertise in Group to talk about all of that b)we decided at the F2F that Mobile was enough for now

13:39:38 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: should we stay on basics?

Joe Carmel: should we stay on basics?

13:39:51 <josema> are you volunteering? :)

José Alonso: are you volunteering? :)

13:40:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: Obama is telling US agencies to keep it simple and raw.

Owen Ambur: Obama is telling US agencies to keep it simple and raw.

13:40:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: keep context out there, but we are trying to bring in all countries.

Kevin Novak: keep context out there, but we are trying to bring in all countries.

13:40:54 <dmcallis> and the US is behind in the multi channel space

Dave McAllister: and the US is behind in the multi channel space

13:41:40 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldn't we deal with syndication, Twitter, Facebook for Multi Channel

Daniel Bennett: shouldn't we deal with syndication, Twitter, Facebook for Multi Channel

13:41:46 <josema> zakim, aadd is ocr

José Alonso: zakim, aadd is ocr

13:41:46 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aadd'

13:41:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we should formulate the base.

Kevin Novak: we should formulate the base.

13:42:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we should cite the standards.

Kevin Novak: we should cite the standards.

13:42:42 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

13:42:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

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13:43:34 <josema> +1 to Owen!

José Alonso: +1 to Owen!

13:43:49 <josema> on two way street with socmed sites

José Alonso: on two way street with socmed sites

13:44:10 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldn't we address the standards as a way of explaining how to deal with social media.

Daniel Bennett: shouldn't we address the standards as a way of explaining how to deal with social media.

13:44:33 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

13:45:00 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: Social Media should work on using standards so that govt can participate.

Owen Ambur: Social Media should work on using standards so that govt can participate.

13:45:43 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: Social Media is experimenting so no standards should apply at beginning

Dave McAllister: Social Media is experimenting so no standards should apply at beginning

13:46:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Owen: important for govt. should not participate with non-standards

Owen Ambur: important for govt. should not participate with non-standards

13:46:21 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: what about syndication

Joe Carmel: what about syndication

13:46:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave: explains the mechanism.

Dave McAllister: explains the mechanism.

13:46:52 <josema> ->http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090325_5490.php GSA signs deals for agencies to use social networking sites

José Alonso: ->http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng_20090325_5490.php GSA signs deals for agencies to use social networking sites

13:48:21 <josema> remember also that social media incubator at W3C is coming and we'll coordinate with them

José Alonso: remember also that social media incubator at W3C is coming and we'll coordinate with them

13:49:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: wanted to let you know that the folks in govt trenches are dealing with legal issues

Rachel Flagg: wanted to let you know that the folks in govt trenches are dealing with legal issues

13:49:14 <Daniel_Bennett> " TOS issues

" TOS issues

13:49:42 <Daniel_Bennett> " it takes govt awhile to meet legal concerns first

... it takes govt awhile to meet legal concerns first

13:49:52 <josema> s/"/...
13:49:59 <josema> s/"/...
13:50:24 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: we are working on it

Rachel Flagg: we are working on it

13:50:45 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: it took Lib. of Congress 9 months to deal with Flickr

Kevin Novak: it took Lib. of Congress 9 months to deal with Flickr because of legal issues, technical ones were done in a week

13:51:12 <dmcallis> The mechanism for most feeds to twitter et.al. is a specific API between the feed (text) to twitter.  There are commercial sites (such as TweetLater) that offer these serviices.

Dave McAllister: The mechanism for most feeds to twitter et.al. is a specific API between the feed (text) to twitter. There are commercial sites (such as TweetLater) that offer these serviices.

13:51:24 <josema> s/Flickr/Flickr because of legal issues, technical ones were done in a week
13:51:50 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: social media issues published.

Rachel Flagg: social media issues published.

13:52:07 <dmcallis> The concern is where to draw the line of social media sites.  They appear often, offer new capabilities

Dave McAllister: The concern is where to draw the line of social media sites. They appear often, offer new capabilities

13:52:13 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: shouldnt that be posted as a USE CASE for the eGov group

Daniel Bennett: shouldnt that be posted as a USE CASE for the eGov group

13:52:38 <josema> clearly, we aim for data-in data-out

José Alonso: clearly, we aim for data-in data-out

13:52:47 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin F: May be the committee should address the broader issues

Kevin F: May be the committee should address the broader issues

13:53:18 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin F: build the framework that government operates under.

Ken Fischer: build the framework that government operates under.

13:53:55 <Owen> I need to leave at 10:00 to go to a meeting with folks at the U.S. Courts to discuss records management issues.

Owen Ambur: I need to leave at 10:00 to go to a meeting with folks at the U.S. Courts to discuss records management issues.

13:54:08 <josema> s/Kevin F/Ken
13:54:10 <josema> s/Kevin F/Ken
13:54:21 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Jose

thanks Jose

13:55:04 <Owen> I hope someone can compile a summary report from the F2F, particularly a listing of follow-up action items, if any.

Owen Ambur: I hope someone can compile a summary report from the F2F, particularly a listing of follow-up action items, if any.

13:55:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: govts need to be seen where people are

Rachel Flagg: govts need to be seen where people are

13:56:17 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

13:56:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

13:56:22 <dmcallis> do we need to express such data (video) as a recommended standard?  encoders/decoders?

Dave McAllister: do we need to express such data (video) as a recommended standard? encoders/decoders?

13:56:34 <Daniel_Bennett> Rachel: Social Media folks have been accommodating

Rachel Flagg: Social Media folks have been accommodating

13:57:06 <Owen> With respect to the way forward, it seems to me that it would be best to focus on one or two objectives that we can accomplish fairly quickly and well.  However, I suspect the reality is that relatively few of us want to work on the same objectives.  If not, I suppose the best we can do is take whatever any of us may be willing and able to contribute.

Owen Ambur: With respect to the way forward, it seems to me that it would be best to focus on one or two objectives that we can accomplish fairly quickly and well. However, I suspect the reality is that relatively few of us want to work on the same objectives. If not, I suppose the best we can do is take whatever any of us may be willing and able to contribute.

13:57:49 <dmcallis> did we arrive at the definition of this section ? Multi-channel == socila media?

Dave McAllister: did we arrive at the definition of this section ? Multi-channel == socila media?

13:58:04 <josema> thanks Owen, I'll make sure to bring this up

José Alonso: thanks Owen, I'll make sure to bring this up

13:58:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: should talk about other forms of reaching out to placing ads, etc.

Ken Fischer: should talk about other forms of reaching out to placing ads, etc.

13:58:43 <Owen> Dave, if you're not already aware of StratML and the PDF form we have used to convert many strategic plans to StratML format, I'd like to exchange E-mail with you about it.  My address is owen@ambur.net

Owen Ambur: Dave, if you're not already aware of StratML and the PDF form we have used to convert many strategic plans to StratML format, I'd like to exchange E-mail with you about it. My address is owen@ambur.net

13:59:15 <dmcallis> sure: dmcallis@adobe.com

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14:00:00 <josema> q?

José Alonso: q?

14:00:11 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:00:30 <Zakim> -Owen

Zakim IRC Bot: -Owen

14:00:41 <josema> rrsagent, pointer?

José Alonso: rrsagent, pointer?

14:00:41 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-irc#T14-00-41

RRSAgent IRC Bot: See http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-irc#T14-00-41

14:00:46 <josema> [Owen leaves call]

José Alonso: [Owen leaves call]

14:01:04 <Daniel_Bennett> Daniel: suggests breaking up Multi channel should be broken into data standards versus social policy

Daniel Bennett: suggests breaking up Multi channel should be broken into data standards versus social policy

14:01:44 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe and Ken: Twitter is both syndication and online chat

Joe and Ken: Twitter is both syndication and online chat

14:02:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: Should govt pick winners?

Joe Carmel: Should govt pick winners?

14:03:09 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: future of public service announcements should be discussed

Ken Fischer: future of public service announcements should be discussed

14:03:24 <dmcallis> concern on the aggregator.  as this new media evolves, many data types in play, many channels. twitter is simple, video is harder. converstaions bring own channels

Dave McAllister: concern on the aggregator. as this new media evolves, many data types in play, many channels. twitter is simple, video is harder. converstaions bring own channels

14:04:24 <Daniel_Bennett> though putting out multiple forms of information needs to be addressed in paper.

though putting out multiple forms of information needs to be addressed in paper.

14:04:46 <Daniel_Bennett> this discussion points out that the discussion needs to be reflected in Group Note.

this discussion points out that the discussion needs to be reflected in Group Note.

14:04:55 <dmcallis> agreed.  this needs to be addressed, perhaps as best practices rather than standards

Dave McAllister: agreed. this needs to be addressed, perhaps as best practices rather than standards

14:06:05 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: it takes a bit of work to participate with outside media.

Kevin Novak: it takes a bit of work to participate with outside media.

14:07:57 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: there is no one place to help promote information

Ken Fischer: there is no one place to help promote information

14:08:17 <dmcallis> portal approach ++ social broadcast?

Dave McAllister: portal approach ++ social broadcast?

14:08:24 <josema> +1, I think this Group's work is way more Best Practices than Standards and that we should coordinate with the other Groups doing technical work as appropriate

José Alonso: +1, I think this Group's work is way more Best Practices than Standards and that we should coordinate with the other Groups doing technical work as appropriate

14:08:46 <kevin> Jose, agree that it a good approach

Kevin Novak: Jose, agree that it a good approach

14:09:17 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: more efforts to get info out

Ken Fischer: more efforts to get info out

14:09:20 <josema> there you have it, we _only_ need to choose the topics ;)

José Alonso: there you have it, we _only_ need to choose the topics ;)

14:09:45 <dmcallis> apologies.  will need to drop off early today

Dave McAllister: apologies. will need to drop off early today

14:10:01 <Daniel_Bennett> thanks Dave for participating

thanks Dave for participating

14:10:14 <Zakim> -dmcallis

Zakim IRC Bot: -dmcallis

14:10:32 <Daniel_Bennett> can we come to a decision on this?

can we come to a decision on this?

14:11:20 <Daniel_Bennett> -john suggest creating a London Gazzette for U.S.

-john suggest creating a London Gazzette for U.S.

14:11:47 <Daniel_Bennett> John, Kevin,,, what Jose says

John, Kevin,,, what Jose says

14:12:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken and Rachel: discussion of how to publish data more openly

Ken and Rachel: discussion of how to publish data more openly

14:12:52 <kevin> ok will do

Kevin Novak: ok will do

14:13:25 <josema> no matter what we start to discuss (remember: it was multi-channel) we end up discussing OGD

José Alonso: no matter what we start to discuss (remember: it was multi-channel) we end up discussing OGD

14:13:37 <josema> in the end it's all about the data!

José Alonso: in the end it's all about the data!

14:13:54 <Daniel_Bennett> kevin?

kevin?

14:14:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets bring this to conclusion

Kevin Novak: lets bring this to conclusion

14:15:19 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: asks how to decrease burden of publishing on both the govt and outside

Ken Fischer: asks how to decrease burden of publishing on both the govt and outside

14:15:47 <john> good discussion!

John Sheridan: good discussion!

14:16:04 <josema> +1 to Kevin

José Alonso: +1 to Kevin

14:16:29 <josema> no time to do that in a month but we should consider it as year 2 work

José Alonso: no time to do that in a month but we should consider it as year 2 work

14:16:31 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: We need to add in this

Kevin Novak: We need to add in this

14:16:41 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:16:55 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

14:16:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions" taken up [from josema]

3. F2F2 Meeting debrief and actions

14:17:22 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-TechSurvey/ W3C Technology Survey

José Alonso: ->http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-TechSurvey/ W3C Technology Survey

14:17:34 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we dealt in ways with F2F, mentioned the TechSurvey

Kevin Novak: we dealt in ways with F2F, mentioned the TechSurvey

14:18:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: spoke to data.gov about what would be helpful

Kevin Novak: spoke to data.gov about what would be helpful

14:19:34 <Daniel_Bennett> " more specifics on incorporating these efforts

" more specifics on incorporating these efforts

14:20:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin and Jose: discuss about summary doc

Kevin and Jose: discuss about summary doc

14:21:11 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: asks folks from the F2F to look summary over

Kevin Novak: asks folks from the F2F to look summary over

14:21:17 <josema> ->http://www.w3.org/2009/03/eGov_F2F2_report Summary Report

José Alonso: ->http://www.w3.org/2009/03/eGov_F2F2_report Summary Report

14:21:44 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:22:08 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Please look at summary

Kevin Novak: Please look at summary

14:22:52 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: I will be at World Bank meeting

Kevin Novak: I will be at World Bank meeting

14:24:10 <josema> all kudos on Tech Survey should go to my colleague Eric Prud'hommeaux (W3C), I just made a couple comments

José Alonso: all kudos on Tech Survey should go to my colleague Eric Prud'hommeaux (W3C), I just made a couple comments

14:24:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: from meeting with Beth, we now do have attendee list

Kevin Novak: from meeting with Beth, we now do have attendee list

14:25:07 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:25:14 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: thanks to all at F2F

Kevin Novak: thanks to all at F2F

14:25:20 <john> +1 kevin's thanks

John Sheridan: +1 kevin's thanks

14:26:14 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: wants to finish the Multi Channel and we need to give Apr. 15th deadline on this.

José Alonso: wants to finish the Multi Channel and we need to give Apr. 15th deadline on this.

14:26:25 <Daniel_Bennett> " and the other section too

... and the other section too

14:26:40 <josema> RESOLUTION: content for Multi-Channel and Long Term to be provided by April 15th

RESOLVED: content for Multi-Channel and Long Term to be provided by April 15th

14:26:51 <josema> s/"/...
14:27:28 <Daniel_Bennett> Joe: should govt distribution be part of Multi Channel

Joe Carmel: should govt distribution be part of Multi Channel

14:27:50 <Daniel_Bennett> seconds the resolution

seconds the resolution

14:28:34 <josema> ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due 2009-04-15

ACTION: Chris to provide content for long term due 2009-04-15

14:28:34 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - Chris

14:28:51 <Daniel_Bennett> Dave seemed to be interested in data standards for Multi

Dave seemed to be interested in data standards for Multi

14:28:55 <Daniel_Bennett> Channel

Channel

14:29:20 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: we have hashed out this

Kevin Novak: we have hashed out this

14:29:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: willing to write it up

Ken Fischer: willing to write it up

14:30:41 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets get just a paragraph done to encapsulate this discussion re: Multi

Kevin Novak: lets get just a paragraph done to encapsulate this discussion re: Multi

14:30:46 <josema> ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel

ACTION: Ken to summarize approach to Multi Channel

14:30:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-51 - Summarize approach to Multi Channel [on Ken Fischer - due 2009-04-08].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-51 - Summarize approach to Multi Channel [on Ken Fischer - due 2009-04-08].

14:30:53 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:31:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Ken: agrees to put that paragraph

Ken Fischer: agrees to put that paragraph

14:31:20 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

14:31:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "2nd Charter and way forward" taken up [from josema]

4. 2nd Charter and way forward

14:31:28 <josema> [briefly]

José Alonso: [briefly]

14:32:35 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: lets try to define what we are looking at

Kevin Novak: lets try to define what we are looking at

14:33:48 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: will be with us as his contract continued to end of year

José Alonso: will be with us as his contract continued to end of year

14:33:54 <Daniel_Bennett> yea!

yea!

14:34:42 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: there is a process for W3C to deal with charter, we need to focus on year 2 issues

José Alonso: there is a process for W3C to deal with charter, we need to focus on year 2 issues

14:35:24 <john> so no implications asking for an extension of a month?

John Sheridan: so no implications asking for an extension of a month?

14:35:46 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: no implications if we need the time.

Kevin Novak: no implications if we need the time.

14:35:58 <josema> AFAIR, shouldn't be any difficult; IIRC extensions are approved by W3M

José Alonso: AFAIR, shouldn't be any difficult; IIRC extensions are approved by W3M

14:36:06 <josema> agenda?

José Alonso: agenda?

14:36:13 <josema> zakim, next agendum

José Alonso: zakim, next agendum

14:36:13 <Zakim> agendum 6. "What's going on out there?" taken up [from josema]

5. What's going on out there?

14:36:23 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: did an interview with GCN

Kevin Novak: did an interview with GCN

14:37:01 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: Karen is working on more publicity

Kevin Novak: Karen is working on more publicity

14:37:20 <Daniel_Bennett> ... getting more members

... getting more members

14:37:54 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: any more issues?

Kevin Novak: any more issues?

14:38:16 <Daniel_Bennett> John: Cloud computing is not mentioned

John Sheridan: Cloud computing is not mentioned

14:38:27 <Daniel_Bennett> ... perhaps it should be addressed

... perhaps it should be addressed

14:39:02 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: WSJ article last week talking about this

Kevin Novak: WSJ article last week talking about this

14:39:14 <john> +1 josema

John Sheridan: +1 josema

14:40:02 <Zakim> -kevin

Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin

14:40:03 <john> good call, thanks everyone

John Sheridan: good call, thanks everyone

14:40:03 <Daniel_Bennett> Jose: expecting more conversation with charter next

José Alonso: expecting more conversation with charter next

14:40:06 <Zakim> -rachel

Zakim IRC Bot: -rachel

14:40:07 <Zakim> -Ken

Zakim IRC Bot: -Ken

14:40:08 <Daniel_Bennett> ...week

...week

14:40:16 <Daniel_Bennett> Kevin: adjourns

Kevin Novak: adjourns

14:40:23 <josema> [ADJOURNED]

José Alonso: [ADJOURNED]

14:41:05 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes

José Alonso: rrsagent, draft minutes

14:41:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-egov-minutes.html josema

14:41:23 <Daniel_Bennett> I will get better at this eventually Jose.

I will get better at this eventually Jose.

14:41:33 <john> +1

John Sheridan: +1

14:42:18 <Zakim> -josema

Zakim IRC Bot: -josema

14:43:53 <josema> rrsagent, stop

José Alonso: rrsagent, stop



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