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16:02:16 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-irc
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16:02:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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16:02:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
16:02:20 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM already started ←
16:02:21 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
16:02:21 <trackbot> Date: 11 February 2009
16:02:50 <Zakim> +berrueta
Zakim IRC Bot: +berrueta ←
16:03:02 <josema> zakim, berrueta is me
José Alonso: zakim, berrueta is me ←
16:03:02 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
16:03:09 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
16:03:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see john, josema
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see john, josema ←
16:03:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, darobin, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, john, Zakim, josema, darobin, trackbot ←
16:06:43 <josema> regrets: chris
16:06:46 <josema> scribe: jsoema
(Scribe set to José Alonso)
16:06:58 <josema> s/jsoema/josema
16:09:49 <josema> ->http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40 Public Services 2.0 workshop
->http://www.epractice.eu/workshop/40 Public Services 2.0 workshop ←
16:13:23 <Zakim> +??P4
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P4 ←
16:13:39 <josema> zakim, ??P4 is oscar
zakim, ??P4 is oscar ←
16:13:39 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it ←
16:17:40 <Zakim> + +1.202.207.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.207.aaaa ←
16:17:52 <josema> zakim, aaaa is kevin
zakim, aaaa is kevin ←
16:17:52 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
16:19:14 <josema> [jose ranting for a while about "new" vs. "old" terms]
[jose ranting for a while about "new" vs. "old" terms] ←
16:20:17 <josema> [some talk on social media use]
[some talk on social media use] ←
16:20:36 <josema> jose: is it possible to syndicate content to those sites?
José Alonso: is it possible to syndicate content to those sites? ←
16:20:49 <josema> kevin: yes, I believe there are RSS-like ways to do this
Kevin Novak: yes, I believe there are RSS-like ways to do this ←
16:22:02 <josema> jose: why we do not succeed as others? e.g. barcamps and the like that use same topics but get much more interest
José Alonso: why we do not succeed as others? e.g. barcamps and the like that use same topics but get much more interest ←
16:22:33 <josema> kevin: you made a good point in saying that people may be scared of W3C
Kevin Novak: you made a good point in saying that people may be scared of W3C ←
16:22:41 <josema> ... seen as too technical
... seen as too technical ←
16:24:58 <josema> jose: sometimes I see W3C is perceived as closed
José Alonso: sometimes I see W3C is perceived as closed ←
16:25:22 <josema> kevin: barcamps and the like usually have sponsors
Kevin Novak: barcamps and the like usually have sponsors ←
16:25:37 <josema> ... same as web managers roundtables, cost is very cheap
... same as web managers roundtables, cost is very cheap ←
16:25:42 <josema> ... but they have sponsors
... but they have sponsors, too ←
16:25:51 <josema> s/sponsors/sponsors, too
16:28:58 <josema> [jose on how W3C usually works]
[jose on how W3C usually works] ←
16:29:13 <josema> [on "industry standardization"]
[on "industry standardization"] ←
16:29:36 <josema> kevin: I agree, the organization may need big changes, but this is bigger than us
Kevin Novak: I agree, the organization may need big changes, but this is bigger than us ←
16:29:53 <josema> john: I agree with you both very much
John Sheridan: I agree with you both very much ←
16:30:25 <josema> ... we are in a space that is getting an extraordinary interest
... we are in a space that is getting an extraordinary interest ←
16:30:55 <josema> ... and there are new technologies, new ways of interacting, new terms! e.g. "goverati"
... and there are new technologies, new ways of interacting, new terms! e.g. "goverati" ←
16:31:56 <josema> ... we need to find mechanisms to reduce the perception of being scary
... we need to find mechanisms to reduce the perception of being scary ←
16:32:29 <josema> ... we need to find a way of working that makes sense to W3C while also exploring
... we need to find a way of working that makes sense to W3C while also exploring ←
16:32:43 <josema> ... new ways of interaction
... new ways of interaction ←
16:33:14 <josema> ... W3C event has a different kind of energy than that of a barcamp
... a W3C event has a different kind of energy than that of a barcamp ←
16:33:22 <josema> s/W3C/a W3C
16:34:23 <josema> ... sometimes people cab be very detrimental when going too technical about discussions ??
... sometimes people can be very detrimental when going too technical about discussions ?? ←
16:34:28 <josema> s/cab/can
16:39:49 <josema> john: simple example, jose twitted about the uploading of latest OGD draft, I retwitted
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John Sheridan: simple example, jose twitted about the uploading of latest OGD draft, I retwitted ←
16:40:02 <josema> ... I have 200 people from UK government following me
... I have 200 people from UK government following me ←
16:40:10 <josema> ... took me three seconds
... took me three seconds ←
16:41:19 <josema> jose: besides that, should we focus just on the first two topics?
José Alonso: besides that, should we focus just on the first two topics alone? ←
16:41:32 <josema> s/topics?/topics alone?
16:41:56 <josema> kevin: I think so, maybe a bit later in time
Kevin Novak: I think so, maybe a bit later in time ←
16:42:11 <josema> ... we need to get the draft out first
... we need to get the draft out first ←
16:42:54 <josema> john: I'm a little bit concerned about saying that we should go ahead just with those at this time
John Sheridan: I'm a little bit concerned about saying that we should go ahead just with those at this time ←
16:43:58 <Karen> zakim code?
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Scribe problem: the name 'Karen' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett David Osimo Ilker Karakas John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Karen: zakim code? ←
16:44:03 <josema> zakim, code?
zakim, code? ←
16:44:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema
Zakim IRC Bot: the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), josema ←
16:44:08 <Karen> gracias
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Scribe problem: the name 'Karen' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett David Osimo Ilker Karakas John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Unknown Karen: gracias ←
16:44:29 <Zakim> +Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: +Karen ←
16:44:33 <josema> [scribe missed a couple Kevin's comments]
[scribe missed a couple Kevin's comments] ←
16:46:26 <josema> [jose summarizes for Karen]
[jose summarizes for Karen] ←
16:46:47 <josema> kevin: along the same line we discussed in DC at lunch time
Kevin Novak: along the same line we discussed in DC at lunch time ←
16:47:41 <josema> karen: we are working on setting up the type of people that should attend the meeting
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Unknown karen: we are working on setting up the type of people that should attend the meeting ←
16:47:56 <josema> ... based on info provided by jose
... based on info provided by jose ←
16:48:16 <josema> ... need also people to talk to press, maybe blog and the like
... need also people to talk to press, maybe blog and the like ←
16:48:30 <josema> ... are you already doing so?
... are you already doing so? ←
16:48:48 <josema> kevin: time is limited but happy to do so, I'm more than willing
Kevin Novak: time is limited but happy to do so, I'm more than willing ←
16:49:17 <josema> karen: how much time would be available before, during or after the workshop?
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Unknown karen: how much time would be available before, during or after the workshop? ←
16:49:45 <josema> kevin: we have the F2F on 12-13 March in DC
Kevin Novak: we have the F2F on 12-13 March in DC ←
16:49:56 <josema> ... I also filled the Member survey
... I also filled the Member survey ←
16:50:12 <josema> ... and proposed topic for the AC Meeting on ??
... and proposed topic for the AC Meeting on ?? ←
16:50:31 <josema> ... need to raise the level of awareness within W3C
... need to raise the level of awareness within W3C ←
16:50:42 <josema> ... also jose's point important, we are different from other Groups
... also jose's point important, we are different from other Groups ←
16:50:52 <josema> ... we need some media strategy on how to outreaach
... we need some media strategy on how to outreach ←
16:50:59 <josema> s/outreaach/outreach
16:53:00 <ocr> :)
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Unknown ocr: :) ←
16:56:27 <john> AMEE link: http://www.amee.com/
John Sheridan: AMEE link: http://www.amee.com/ ←
16:57:31 <josema> [need to decide of the invited speaker]
[need to decide of the invited speaker] ←
16:58:39 <john> I'm going to have to dash off (sorry - but will check back on IRC)
John Sheridan: I'm going to have to dash off (sorry - but will check back on IRC) ←
16:59:36 <josema> karen: I'll bring this to Comm on next call and come back to you
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Unknown karen: I'll bring this to Comm on next call and come back to you ←
17:00:12 <josema> john: we really see the DC event as an important opportunity on the OGD and Transparency and Participation
John Sheridan: we really see the DC event as an important opportunity on the OGD and Transparency and Participation ←
17:00:15 <Zakim> -john
Zakim IRC Bot: -john ←
17:00:23 <Zakim> -Karen
Scribe problem: the name 'Karen' does not match any of the 39 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Amit Parashar Anne Washington Ari Schwartz Benjamin Nguyen Christopher Testa Dalila Chiadmi Daniel Bennett David Osimo Ilker Karakas John Sheridan John Wonderlich José Alonso Juan Rodríguez Rodríguez Katie Haritos-Shea Kevin Novak Kjetil Kjernsmo Laila Benhlima Malcolm Crompton Martin Mollema Oscar Azanon Esteire Owen Ambur Pasquale Popolizio Peter Krantz Pietro Russo Rachel Flagg Richard Murphy Rinke Hoekstra Roberto Castaldo Robin Berjon Rowan Smith Tanya Gupta Tim McMahon Tom van Engers Trond Undheim Vagner Diniz Vassilios Peristeras Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot
Zakim IRC Bot: -Karen ←
17:00:24 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
17:00:31 <Zakim> -josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -josema ←
17:00:42 <josema> zakim, list attendees
zakim, list attendees ←
17:00:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, oscar, +1.202.207.aaaa, kevin, Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been john, josema, oscar, +1.202.207.aaaa, kevin, Karen ←
17:00:53 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:00:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema ←
17:01:15 <Zakim> -oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←
17:01:16 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended
Zakim IRC Bot: T&S_EGOV()11:00AM has ended ←
17:01:18 <Zakim> Attendees were john, josema, oscar, +1.202.207.aaaa, kevin, Karen
Zakim IRC Bot: Attendees were john, josema, oscar, +1.202.207.aaaa, kevin, Karen ←
17:06:50 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
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rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:06:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema
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17:07:03 <josema> chair: john, kevin
17:07:05 <josema> chair: john, kevin
17:07:07 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:07:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema ←
17:08:05 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
[ADJOURNED] ←
17:08:08 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
rrsagent, draft minutes ←
17:08:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-egov-minutes.html josema ←
17:16:15 <josema> rrsagent, bye
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rrsagent, bye ←
17:16:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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