15:00:06 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/26-egov-irc
RRSAgent IRC Bot: logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/09/26-egov-irc ←
15:00:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:00:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be EGOV ←
15:00:09 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM already started
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, trackbot, I see T&S_EGOV()11:00AM already started ←
15:00:10 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
15:00:10 <trackbot> Date: 26 September 2008
15:00:23 <josema> chair: kevin, john
15:01:12 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
José Alonso: zakim, call josema-office ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; the call is being made ←
15:01:13 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
15:01:47 <josema> zakim, drop josema
José Alonso: zakim, drop josema ←
15:01:47 <Zakim> Josema is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Josema is being disconnected ←
15:01:49 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
15:02:04 <josema> zakim, call josema-office
José Alonso: zakim, call josema-office ←
15:02:04 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; the call is being made ←
15:02:05 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
15:03:37 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
15:03:44 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
15:03:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see ??P2 ←
15:03:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot ←
15:03:59 <josema> zakin, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
José Alonso: zakin, ??P2 is johnlsheridan ←
15:04:05 <josema> zakim, ??P2 is johnlsheridan
José Alonso: zakim, ??P2 is johnlsheridan ←
15:04:06 <Zakim> +johnlsheridan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +johnlsheridan; got it ←
15:04:17 <josema> zakim, call josema-mobile
José Alonso: zakim, call josema-mobile ←
15:04:17 <Zakim> ok, josema; the call is being made
Zakim IRC Bot: ok, josema; the call is being made ←
15:04:19 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
15:05:22 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
15:05:37 <Zakim> +Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: +Josema ←
15:06:07 <josema> zakim, drop josema
José Alonso: zakim, drop josema ←
15:06:07 <Zakim> Josema is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: Josema is being disconnected ←
15:06:08 <Zakim> -Josema
Zakim IRC Bot: -Josema ←
15:07:02 <Zakim> + +34.64.736.aaaa
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.64.736.aaaa ←
15:08:27 <Zakim> + +1.202.626.aabb
Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.202.626.aabb ←
15:08:46 <josema> zakim, aaaa is josema
José Alonso: zakim, aaaa is josema ←
15:08:46 <Zakim> +josema; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +josema; got it ←
15:09:05 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin
José Alonso: zakim, aabb is kevin ←
15:09:05 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +kevin; got it ←
15:10:53 <josema> josema: welcome ideas on how to move forward
José Alonso: welcome ideas on how to move forward [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:11:27 <josema> john: I have some ideas that can share
John Sheridan: I have some ideas that can share [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:13:46 <josema> ...we need to focus on basic things
José Alonso: ...we need to focus on basic things ←
15:14:20 <josema> [talk about US/UK approaches]
José Alonso: [talk about US/UK approaches] ←
15:14:52 <josema> [practicalities, is WebArch really understood?]
José Alonso: [practicalities, is WebArch really understood?] ←
15:17:15 <josema> [key: how we can support the people involved in those projects to understand the basics]
José Alonso: [key: how we can support the people involved in those projects to understand the basics] ←
15:17:37 <josema> [maybe we take some from granted, but it should be understandable for them]
José Alonso: [maybe we take some from granted, but it should be understandable for them] ←
15:20:34 <josema> [need to improve the way we communicate wrt standards]
José Alonso: [need to improve the way we communicate wrt standards] ←
15:23:07 <josema> [from W3C stack of technologies to useful government suite of W3c standards]
José Alonso: [from W3C stack of technologies to useful government suite of W3C standards] ←
15:23:41 <josema> [risk of some people thinking this too easy, but a long standing challenge]
José Alonso: [risk of some people thinking this too easy, but a long standing challenge] ←
15:25:48 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aacc ←
15:26:03 <josema> zakim, drop aacc
José Alonso: zakim, drop aacc ←
15:26:03 <Zakim> +34.63.557.aacc is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: +34.63.557.aacc is being disconnected ←
15:26:05 <Zakim> - +34.63.557.aacc
Zakim IRC Bot: - +34.63.557.aacc ←
15:27:24 <josema> [we need to contextualize]
José Alonso: [we need to contextualize] ←
15:28:22 <josema> [we could do start it ourselves, but how to engage the Group?]
José Alonso: [we could do start it ourselves, but how to engage the Group?] ←
15:28:55 <josema> [but it's very inclusive activity, everybody can contribute]
José Alonso: [but it's very inclusive activity, everybody can contribute] ←
15:29:33 <josema> s/W3c/W3C
15:29:35 <Zakim> + +34.63.557.aadd
Zakim IRC Bot: + +34.63.557.aadd ←
15:30:43 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar
José Alonso: zakim, aadd is oscar ←
15:30:43 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +oscar; got it ←
15:31:53 <josema> [use cases: we are not expecting people to get to any technical detail]
José Alonso: [use cases: we are not expecting people to get to any technical detail] ←
15:32:07 <josema> [we were expecting simple things, overview]
José Alonso: [we were expecting simple things, overview] ←
15:32:55 <josema> [risk of people going into very technical detail]
José Alonso: [risk of people going into very technical detail] ←
15:39:15 <josema> [agreement on that we need to go ahead with this]
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José Alonso: [agreement on that we need to go ahead with this] ←
15:39:34 <josema> [basic use cases + good practice on how to use the basics]
José Alonso: [basic use cases + good practice on how to use the basics] ←
15:39:47 <josema> [example topic: content syndication]
José Alonso: [example topic: content syndication] ←
15:40:03 <josema> john: working on something along these lines
John Sheridan: working on something along these lines [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:40:14 <josema> ...will be able to share in a while
José Alonso: ...will be able to share in a while ←
15:40:37 <josema> john: we should start with very simple diagrams
John Sheridan: we should start with very simple diagrams [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:40:46 <josema> ...very simple text
José Alonso: ...very simple text ←
15:41:05 <josema> ...two step process: very easy first, and then guidance on
José Alonso: ...two step process: very easy first, and then guidance on ←
15:41:10 <josema> ...W3C standards use
José Alonso: ...W3C standards use ←
15:42:07 <josema> josema: where to start? compilation of use cases?
José Alonso: where to start? compilation of use cases? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:42:23 <josema> john: could be ok as start but from elementary level
John Sheridan: could be ok as start but from elementary level [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:42:38 <josema> ...not deeply technical stuff
José Alonso: ...not deeply technical stuff ←
15:48:08 <josema> [another key issue: provenance and authoritative source of information]
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José Alonso: [another key issue: provenance and authoritative source of information] ←
15:48:50 <josema> [...and need to achieve trust]
José Alonso: [...and need to achieve trust] ←
15:49:04 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendants
José Alonso: RRSAgent, list attendants ←
15:49:04 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendants', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendants', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
15:49:13 <josema> zakim, list attendants
José Alonso: zakim, list attendants ←
15:49:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'list attendants', josema
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand 'list attendants', josema ←
15:50:25 <josema> [another topic: what information should be available for free]
José Alonso: [another topic: what information should be available for free or paid for] ←
15:50:45 <josema> s/free/ free or paid for
15:51:14 <josema> [scope is getting huge again though]
José Alonso: [scope is getting huge again though] ←
15:51:58 <josema> kevin: pressure to agencies to make their data openly available
Kevin Novak: pressure to agencies to make their data openly available [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:52:14 <josema> ...but big challenge: how they can control is used according to the "terms of service"
José Alonso: ...but big challenge: how they can control is used according to the "terms of service" ←
15:52:36 <josema> john: and you enter the licensing issues world...
John Sheridan: and you enter the licensing issues world... [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:53:54 <josema> [need a use case on trust/authority,/provenance]
José Alonso: [need a use case on trust/authority/provenance] ←
15:54:02 <josema> s/,//
15:56:12 <josema> zakim, mute oscar
José Alonso: zakim, mute oscar ←
15:56:12 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should now be muted ←
15:57:25 <josema> josema: regular chairs call?
José Alonso: regular chairs call? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:57:29 <josema> kevin: ok
Kevin Novak: ok [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:57:32 <josema> oscar: ok
Oscar Azanon Esteire: ok [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
15:59:48 <josema> john: ok, but better one hour later
John Sheridan: ok, but better one hour later [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
16:00:31 <josema> resolved: group call to stays as it is for now
RESOLVED: group call to stays as it is for now ←
16:00:41 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar
José Alonso: zakim, unmute oscar ←
16:00:41 <Zakim> oscar should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should no longer be muted ←
16:01:10 <josema> RESOLVED: chairs call at 13:00 UTC
RESOLVED: chairs call at 13:00 UTC ←
16:01:16 <josema> zakim, mute oscar
José Alonso: zakim, mute oscar ←
16:01:16 <Zakim> oscar should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should now be muted ←
16:02:13 <josema> josema: how to proceed?
José Alonso: how to proceed? [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
16:02:24 <josema> kevin: need to discuss by email
Kevin Novak: need to discuss by email [ Scribe Assist by José Alonso ] ←
16:02:44 <josema> ...john and I, then present to the Group
José Alonso: ...john and I, then present to the Group ←
16:04:15 <josema> ACTION kevin, john to prepare agenda for next Group call
José Alonso: ACTION kevin, john to prepare agenda for next Group call ←
16:04:15 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - kevin,
Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, couldn't find user - kevin, ←
16:04:26 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
16:04:26 <Zakim> On the phone I see johnlsheridan, josema, kevin, oscar (muted)
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see johnlsheridan, josema, kevin, oscar (muted) ←
16:04:27 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, johnlsheridan, trackbot ←
16:06:12 <josema> zakim, unmute oscar
José Alonso: zakim, unmute oscar ←
16:06:12 <Zakim> oscar should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar should no longer be muted ←
16:06:30 <Zakim> -kevin
Zakim IRC Bot: -kevin ←
16:06:34 <josema> zakim, drop oscar
José Alonso: zakim, drop oscar ←
16:06:34 <Zakim> oscar is being disconnected
Zakim IRC Bot: oscar is being disconnected ←
16:06:36 <Zakim> -oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: -oscar ←
16:06:51 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
José Alonso: [ADJOURNED] ←
16:06:57 <josema> zakim,bye
José Alonso: zakim,bye ←
16:06:57 <Zakim> leaving. As of this point the attendees were Josema, johnlsheridan, +34.64.736.aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.63.557.aacc, +34.63.557.aadd, oscar
Zakim IRC Bot: leaving. As of this point the attendees were Josema, johnlsheridan, +34.64.736.aaaa, +1.202.626.aabb, kevin, +34.63.557.aacc, +34.63.557.aadd, oscar ←
16:07:20 <josema> zakim, who's here?
José Alonso: zakim, who's here? ←
16:08:06 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
José Alonso: RRSAgent, list attendees ←
16:08:06 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
16:08:17 <josema> RRSAgent, draft minutes
José Alonso: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
16:08:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/26-egov-minutes.html josema
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/09/26-egov-minutes.html josema ←
16:08:24 <josema> RRSAgent, list attendees
José Alonso: RRSAgent, list attendees ←
16:08:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'list attendees', josema. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←
16:09:14 <josema> RRSAgent, stop
José Alonso: RRSAgent, stop ←
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