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13:53:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, this will be DWBP ←
13:53:37 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot ←
13:53:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:53:38 <trackbot> Date: 11 December 2015
13:53:47 <phila> chair: Yaso
13:53:52 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151211
13:54:15 <phila> zakim, code?
Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←
13:54:15 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989
Zakim IRC Bot: I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989 ←
13:59:35 <PWinstanley> present+ PWinstanley
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Peter Winstanley: present+ PWinstanley ←
13:59:45 <yaso> present+ yaso
Yaso Córdova: present+ yaso ←
14:01:30 <phila> present+ phila
Phil Archer: present+ phila ←
14:01:33 <phila> scribe: phila
(Scribe set to Phil Archer)
14:01:37 <phila> scribeNick: phila
14:01:58 <newtoncalegari> present+ newtoncalegari
Newton Calegari: present+ newtoncalegari ←
14:02:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> \me could you anyone remind me the webex URL please ?
Riccardo Albertoni: \me could you anyone remind me the webex URL please ? ←
14:02:50 <yaso> I think is this one, riccardoAlbertoni https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae
Yaso Córdova: I think is this one, riccardoAlbertoni https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae ←
14:03:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> \me thanks ..
Riccardo Albertoni: \me thanks .. ←
14:03:16 <yaso> oh I missed an 6 at the end of url. Sorry, https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6
Yaso Córdova: oh I missed an 6 at the end of url. Sorry, https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 ←
14:03:29 <yaso> \me :-)
Yaso Córdova: \me :-) ←
14:03:49 <phila> zakim, code?
zakim, code? ←
14:03:49 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989
Zakim IRC Bot: I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989 ←
14:04:08 <yaso> great. tks phila
Yaso Córdova: great. tks phila ←
14:04:12 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni, you can always type that command (zakim, code?) and get the info
riccardoAlbertoni, you can always type that command (zakim, code?) and get the info ←
14:05:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> \me Thanks phil,
Riccardo Albertoni: \me Thanks phil, ←
14:05:17 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151211
Yaso Córdova: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151211 ←
14:05:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni
Riccardo Albertoni: present+ riccardoAlbertoni ←
14:05:51 <phila> yaso: Lots of stuff to get through today
Yaso Córdova: Lots of stuff to get through today ←
14:05:53 <phila> PROPOSAL: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes
PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes ←
14:05:58 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:06:01 <phila> +1
+1 ←
14:06:02 <Eric_Kauz> +1
14:06:06 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:06:09 <laufer> present+ laufer
Carlos Laufer: present+ laufer ←
14:06:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:06:19 <phila> RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes
RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes ←
14:06:26 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:06:34 <phila> Topic: BP Document
14:06:53 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc Editors' Draft
-> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html BP Doc Editors' Draft ←
14:07:37 <phila> newtoncalegari: I can start to explain...
Newton Calegari: I can start to explain... ←
14:08:17 <phila> newtoncalegari: We have made a lot of changes in the doc but I'll talk about some specifics. One on APIs and Conneg
Newton Calegari: We have made a lot of changes in the doc but I'll talk about some specifics. One on APIs and Conneg ←
14:08:25 <phila> ... Those BPs are not 100% completed yet
... Those BPs are not 100% completed yet ←
14:08:40 <phila> ... We put some notes and issues in the doc to let readers know that we are still improving those BPs
... We put some notes and issues in the doc to let readers know that we are still improving those BPs ←
14:09:07 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline_ ←
14:09:08 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←
14:09:13 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
14:09:29 <newtoncalegari> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
Newton Calegari: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg ←
14:09:44 <phila> phila: Start here? http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#bp-summary
Phil Archer: Start here? http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#bp-summary ←
14:09:47 <newtoncalegari> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#useanAPI
Newton Calegari: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#useanAPI ←
14:10:15 <phila> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#versionsForAPI
http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#versionsForAPI ←
14:10:32 <Eric_Kauz> present+ Eric_Kauz
Eric Kauz: present+ Eric_Kauz ←
14:10:58 <phila> newtoncalegari: I think we need to change the text a little
Newton Calegari: I think we need to change the text a little ←
14:11:00 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:11:07 <phila> ... keep the smae meaning but change the structure ofhte text
... keep the smae meaning but change the structure ofhte text ←
14:11:26 <phila> yaso: So the necessary reqs to complete this BP is to provide examples and the structure of the text
Yaso Córdova: So the necessary reqs to complete this BP is to provide examples and the structure of the text ←
14:11:43 <phila> newtoncalegari: Yes, that's why I put those notes in the text. I don't think it's a barrier to publication
Newton Calegari: Yes, that's why I put those notes in the text. I don't think it's a barrier to publication ←
14:11:48 <phila> yaso: I agree it's not a barrier
Yaso Córdova: I agree it's not a barrier ←
14:11:55 <phila> yaso: Anything else to say?
Yaso Córdova: Anything else to say? ←
14:12:04 <phila> newtoncalegari: No, but BernadetteLoscio might have
Newton Calegari: No, but BernadetteLoscio might have ←
14:12:50 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We added a lot to the doc. See the change history sedction
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We added a lot to the doc. See the change history sedction ←
14:13:16 <phila> ... We have 2 new sections. We also have a glossary with the main sections of the doc and we have the benefits associated with each BP
... We have 2 new sections. We also have a glossary with the main sections of the doc and we have the benefits associated with each BP ←
14:13:17 <ericstephan> present + ericstephan
Eric Stephan: present + ericstephan ←
14:13:28 <phila> ... Thanks to Phil for scripting
... Thanks to Phil for scripting ←
14:13:33 <phila> phila: NP
Phil Archer: NP ←
14:13:47 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: We also have many more examples. They still need to be completed and I think we made a lot of progress
Bernadette Farias Loscio: We also have many more examples. They still need to be completed and I think we made a lot of progress ←
14:14:16 <phila> ... I think the doc is more mature. It has more content and we have discussed a lot about this period about identifiers.
... I think the doc is more mature. It has more content and we have discussed a lot about this period about identifiers. ←
14:14:31 <phila> ... We had a lot of discussion about the data vocab section and we made some progress and some agreement
... We had a lot of discussion about the data vocab section and we made some progress and some agreement ←
14:14:43 <phila> ... We still have things to do concerning the data access section
... We still have things to do concerning the data access section ←
14:14:54 <phila> ... We need more examples and need some more discussion about the new BPs
... We need more examples and need some more discussion about the new BPs ←
14:15:03 <phila> ... But now we have a more concrete stuff to discuss
... But now we have a more concrete stuff to discuss ←
14:15:22 <phila> ... During the F2F we had a lot of important discussions and we tried to reflect these doscussions in the new version
... During the F2F we had a lot of important discussions and we tried to reflect these doscussions in the new version ←
14:15:40 <phila> yaso: Anything to add Caroline_
Yaso Córdova: Anything to add Caroline_ ←
14:15:49 <phila> Caroline_: No, that's it... Bernadette has explained
Caroline Burle: No, that's it... Bernadette has explained ←
14:15:50 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:16:04 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:16:08 <phila> ack l
ack l ←
14:16:12 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
14:16:45 <phila> laufer: I missed a summary of each section of the doc
Carlos Laufer: I missed a summary of each section of the doc ←
14:17:01 <phila> ... Something after the Intro but before the main content. I miss that.
... Something after the Intro but before the main content. I miss that. ←
14:17:14 <phila> laufer: I think the structure of the sections is inconsistent
Carlos Laufer: I think the structure of the sections is inconsistent ←
14:17:29 <phila> ... Sections 9, 10 and 11 seem inconsistent in style
... Sections 9, 10 and 11 seem inconsistent in style ←
14:17:33 <BernadetteLoscio> +q
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q ←
14:17:52 <phila> ... Section 11.4 is a conclusion, that's not in the otehr sections
... Section 11.4 is a conclusion, that's not in the otehr sections ←
14:18:06 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There is a mistake in the table of contents - it's not correct
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is a mistake in the table of contents - it's not correct ←
14:18:16 <phila> laufer: No, not in the ToC
Carlos Laufer: No, not in the ToC ←
14:18:24 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: 11.4 is not inside 11
Bernadette Farias Loscio: 11.4 is not inside 11 ←
14:18:36 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There's a mistake in the HTML, that's all
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There's a mistake in the HTML, that's all ←
14:18:44 <phila> ... That newton is going to correct.
... That newton is going to correct. ←
14:19:01 <phila> laufer: I don't think we have section 9 BP and then section 10 for Sensitive data
Carlos Laufer: I don't think we have section 9 BP and then section 10 for Sensitive data ←
14:19:08 <phila> newtoncalegari: I'm going to check the open elements
Newton Calegari: I'm going to check the open elements ←
14:19:10 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:19:25 <phila> laufer: I think the glossary, benefits, UCR etc can be appendices, not sections
Carlos Laufer: I think the glossary, benefits, UCR etc can be appendices, not sections ←
14:20:01 <phila> laufer: And we have 3 indexes - section 5,6 and 8
Carlos Laufer: And we have 3 indexes - section 5,6 and 8 ←
14:20:05 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:20:07 <phila> ... I think that needs explaining
... I think that needs explaining ←
14:20:28 <phila> ... And the separate section about the template can be in the BPs. It's just a matter of rearanging things
... And the separate section about the template can be in the BPs. It's just a matter of rearanging things ←
14:20:40 <phila> laufer: And I thought we decided on reuse, not re-use
Carlos Laufer: And I thought we decided on reuse, not re-use ←
14:21:06 <phila> yaso: So what do you suggest?
Yaso Córdova: So what do you suggest? ←
14:21:31 <phila> laufer: I think we need just one section called Best practice and then all the BPs are in that section (as sub sections)
Carlos Laufer: I think we need just one section called Best practice and then all the BPs are in that section (as sub sections) ←
14:21:47 <phila> ... The other solution is not to have a section called Best Practices
... The other solution is not to have a section called Best Practices ←
14:21:55 <phila> yaso: So are you against publishing?
Yaso Córdova: So are you against publishing? ←
14:22:05 <phila> q+
q+ ←
14:22:18 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
14:24:10 <newtoncalegari> I'm already checking and fixing the HTML
Newton Calegari: I'm already checking and fixing the HTML ←
14:24:17 <phila> phila: Talks about publication steps, validation etc.
Phil Archer: Talks about publication steps, validation etc. ←
14:24:29 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:24:35 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
Yaso Córdova: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
14:24:47 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:24:47 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:24:52 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There is an issue about the three indexes, I raised that
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is an issue about the three indexes, I raised that ←
14:25:16 <phila> laufer: I see no problem with the three indexes, I just think we need to explain them and say that the user can access them in 3 differnet ways
Carlos Laufer: I see no problem with the three indexes, I just think we need to explain them and say that the user can access them in 3 differnet ways ←
14:25:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> please phil send the same check list l to me and Antoine as well
Riccardo Albertoni: please phil send the same check list l to me and Antoine as well ←
14:25:25 <phila> yaso: So if there are no other questions?
Yaso Córdova: So if there are no other questions? ←
14:25:31 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:25:33 <Caroline_> q+
Caroline Burle: q+ ←
14:25:41 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
14:25:41 <phila> ack l
ack l ←
14:25:41 <laufer> q-
Carlos Laufer: q- ←
14:25:44 <phila> acl c
acl c ←
14:25:46 <phila> ack c
ack c ←
14:25:56 <yaso> ack Caroline_
Yaso Córdova: ack Caroline_ ←
14:26:27 <yaso> hahahah, sorry. It's my keyboard crazy sound for "repeated letter"
Yaso Córdova: hahahah, sorry. It's my keyboard crazy sound for "repeated letter" ←
14:26:29 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/227
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/227 ←
14:26:29 <phila> Caroline_: Thanks laufer, Newton is fixing that now, and I think we could add a new issue about the indexes
Caroline Burle: Thanks laufer, Newton is fixing that now, and I think we could add a new issue about the indexes ←
14:26:36 <phila> phila: That's been raised already
Phil Archer: That's been raised already ←
14:26:42 <phila> Thanks BernadetteLoscio
Thanks BernadetteLoscio ←
14:27:02 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:27:20 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
14:27:48 <phila> That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation)
That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) ←
14:27:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> I tend to agree with laufer :(
Riccardo Albertoni: I tend to agree with laufer :( ←
14:28:25 <yaso> phila: next pub date: january
Phil Archer: next pub date: january [ Scribe Assist by Yaso Córdova ] ←
14:28:35 <yaso> ... if we decide to not vote today
Yaso Córdova: ... if we decide to not vote today ←
14:29:13 <laufer> we have to vote to not vote? we will have the same problem
Carlos Laufer: we have to vote to not vote? we will have the same problem ←
14:29:32 <phila> PROPOSED: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication
PROPOSED: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication ←
14:29:39 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:29:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:29:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:29:58 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:30:01 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:30:01 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:30:07 <laufer> I vote... What I want to know is if there is a minimum quorum for that...
Carlos Laufer: I vote... What I want to know is if there is a minimum quorum for that... ←
14:30:10 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
14:31:06 <phila> ericstephan: If we wait until 6 Jan, will we have more or fewer people?
Eric Stephan: If we wait until 6 Jan, will we have more or fewer people? ←
14:31:20 <phila> yaso: I'm afarid that people will be on holidayt in January
Yaso Córdova: I'm afarid that people will be on holidayt in January ←
14:31:28 <phila> ... Newton and I won't be here 6 Jan
... Newton and I won't be here 6 Jan ←
14:31:31 <laufer> we have the call saying that there will be a voting...
Carlos Laufer: we have the call saying that there will be a voting... ←
14:31:40 <Caroline_> I will be in January until the 19th
Caroline Burle: I will be in January until the 19th ←
14:31:41 <phila> yaso: I thinkw e should vote now
Yaso Córdova: I thinkw e should vote now ←
14:31:47 <Caroline_> ops! on Holliday!
Caroline Burle: ops! on Holliday! ←
14:31:49 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:31:58 <phila> yaso: I think you're right...
Yaso Córdova: I think you're right... ←
14:32:20 <phila> ericstephan: I'll vote +1 just becausze I don't think the numebrs will be great this time of year and it seems that things won't be any better in early January
Eric Stephan: I'll vote +1 just becausze I don't think the numebrs will be great this time of year and it seems that things won't be any better in early January ←
14:32:26 <Caroline_> I think we have a chance to send emails before January and try to get some external feedback
Caroline Burle: I think we have a chance to send emails before January and try to get some external feedback ←
14:32:32 <Caroline_> if we vote today! :)
Caroline Burle: if we vote today! :) ←
14:32:34 <phila> phila: gets his head around January being summer holiday/carnival time
Phil Archer: gets his head around January being summer holiday/carnival time ←
14:32:42 <newtoncalegari> I think today is the last reasonable date to vote.
Newton Calegari: I think today is the last reasonable date to vote. ←
14:32:49 <phila> yaso: It's external feedback we want
Yaso Córdova: It's external feedback we want ←
14:33:05 <phila> ... And Caroline_ is right, we should publish now and get the feedback
... And Caroline_ is right, we should publish now and get the feedback ←
14:33:15 <phila> q=
q= ←
14:33:23 <phila> q?
q? ←
14:33:27 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:33:36 <ericstephan> yaso you also gave sufficient notice about this
Eric Stephan: yaso you also gave sufficient notice about this ←
14:33:36 <phila> RESOLUTION: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication
RESOLVED: That we have sufficient people present to vote through a publication ←
14:33:39 <laufer> let´s vote
Carlos Laufer: let´s vote ←
14:34:03 <ericstephan> What is summer?
Eric Stephan: What is summer? ←
14:34:24 <laufer> is the guy that sums...
Carlos Laufer: is the guy that sums... ←
14:34:44 <ericstephan> laufer :-)
Eric Stephan: laufer :-) ←
14:34:58 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:35:08 <yaso> ack ericstephan
Yaso Córdova: ack ericstephan ←
14:35:08 <Caroline_> come to Brazil, ericstephan to understand what is summer! :)
Caroline Burle: come to Brazil, ericstephan to understand what is summer! :) ←
14:35:14 <phila> phila: Goes on about summer holidays etc
Phil Archer: Goes on about summer holidays etc ←
14:35:47 <phila> ericstephan: I just want to say that I've not had a chance to look at the BP doc as much as I'd like, but through all the dicsussion that we've had, this is one of the most mature docs we have
Eric Stephan: I just want to say that I've not had a chance to look at the BP doc as much as I'd like, but through all the dicsussion that we've had, this is one of the most mature docs we have ←
14:36:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> I agree with ericstephan ..
Riccardo Albertoni: I agree with ericstephan .. ←
14:36:03 <phila> ... So unless there's somethign really horribly wrong, I'd advocate a vote to have it reviewed externally
... So unless there's somethign really horribly wrong, I'd advocate a vote to have it reviewed externally ←
14:36:25 <phila> That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation)
That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) ←
14:36:49 <phila> That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram
That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram ←
14:37:08 <phila> PROPOSED: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram
PROPOSED: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram ←
14:37:11 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:37:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:37:16 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:37:22 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:37:22 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:37:29 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:37:33 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:37:44 <Eric_Kauz> +1
14:38:01 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram
RESOLVED: That the Editors' Draft of the BP Doc at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html be published as a next Working Draft on 17 December subject to the section numbers being sorted (through HTML validation) and PhilA updating the SVG diagram ←
14:38:08 <BernadetteLoscio> :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: :) ←
14:38:12 <riccardoAlbertoni> congrats!
Riccardo Albertoni: congrats! ←
14:38:15 <ericstephan> congrats BP team
Eric Stephan: congrats BP team ←
14:38:22 <yaso> Data Quality Vocabulary
Yaso Córdova: Data Quality Vocabulary ←
14:38:25 <phila> Topic: Data Quality Vocabulary
14:38:26 <BernadetteLoscio> congrats everyone!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: congrats everyone! ←
14:38:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Riccardo Albertoni: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
14:38:36 <Caroline_> congrats everyone! Specially Berna! :)
Caroline Burle: congrats everyone! Specially Berna! :) ←
14:38:50 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: If you click on the link... you can see the latest version of our DQV
Riccardo Albertoni: If you click on the link... you can see the latest version of our DQV ←
14:39:03 <phila> ... I'll go through the doc and highlight the main changes since the last publication
... I'll go through the doc and highlight the main changes since the last publication ←
14:39:26 <phila> ... First 3 sections haven't changed much. Thanks Phil for producing the Turtle
... First 3 sections haven't changed much. Thanks Phil for producing the Turtle ←
14:39:40 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: In the vocab overview, you can see the classes in the diagram
Riccardo Albertoni: In the vocab overview, you can see the classes in the diagram ←
14:39:43 <phila> ... There are 3 sections
... There are 3 sections ←
14:39:57 <phila> ... bascially the part of the vocab that allow us to state the quality assessment
... bascially the part of the vocab that allow us to state the quality assessment ←
14:40:15 <phila> ... Upper Right is on dataset is compliant to a standard or policy
... Upper Right is on dataset is compliant to a standard or policy ←
14:40:23 <phila> ... Bottom Right to express quality annotation
... Bottom Right to express quality annotation ←
14:40:33 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:40:34 <phila> ... has a quality certificiate
... has a quality certificiate ←
14:41:10 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: There are some new constraints, dimensions, quality feedback...
Riccardo Albertoni: There are some new constraints, dimensions, quality feedback... ←
14:41:18 <phila> ... During this period there has been plenty of discussion
... During this period there has been plenty of discussion ←
14:41:50 <phila> ... We have kept the discussion up to date.
... We have kept the discussion up to date. ←
14:42:02 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: In section http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#examples we have included some earlier examples and added 4 new examples
Riccardo Albertoni: In section http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#examples we have included some earlier examples and added 4 new examples ←
14:42:12 <phila> ... in particular an example that received an ODI certificate
... in particular an example that received an ODI certificate ←
14:42:15 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:42:16 <phila> ... setion 6.5
... setion 6.5 ←
14:42:41 <phila> ... And there's another example of expressing the quality of a Skos scheme and of a linkset
... And there's another example of expressing the quality of a Skos scheme and of a linkset ←
14:42:58 <phila> ... And there's stuff on expressing conformance of a dataset to a standard
... And there's stuff on expressing conformance of a dataset to a standard ←
14:43:05 <phila> ... That came from a discussion with Phil
... That came from a discussion with Phil ←
14:43:10 <phila> ... and Andrea perego
... and Andrea perego ←
14:43:44 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: Only the dimension and metric section hasn't changed bevcause we already decided that we want to align with ISO 200512
Riccardo Albertoni: Only the dimension and metric section hasn't changed bevcause we already decided that we want to align with ISO 200512 ←
14:44:00 <phila> ... blocked a little by the discussion that we're having on issue 204 and 205
... blocked a little by the discussion that we're having on ISSUE-204 and 205 ←
14:44:08 <phila> ... So we have explained this in the doc.
... So we have explained this in the doc. ←
14:44:25 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:44:35 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: And we added a change history section
Riccardo Albertoni: And we added a change history section ←
14:44:52 <phila> ... I think we made a lot of progress. More to do of course but the doc shows the direction that we're following
... I think we made a lot of progress. More to do of course but the doc shows the direction that we're following ←
14:45:02 <phila> ... SO I think it's the right time to make a snapshot
... SO I think it's the right time to make a snapshot ←
14:45:11 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:45:13 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:45:15 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: Any questions?
Riccardo Albertoni: Any questions? ←
14:45:20 <phila> yaso: Thank you Riccardo
Yaso Córdova: Thank you Riccardo ←
14:45:22 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
14:45:23 <phila> ack l
ack l ←
14:46:07 <phila> laufer: Thank you for excellent work. I've comment on how you've enhanced the comprehension. Antoine desceribed the diagram very well,. What I miss is the serialisation of the diagram
Carlos Laufer: Thank you for excellent work. I've comment on how you've enhanced the comprehension. Antoine desceribed the diagram very well,. What I miss is the serialisation of the diagram ←
14:46:19 <phila> ... I think some sentences to help understand the diagram
... I think some sentences to help understand the diagram ←
14:46:28 <phila> ... Easier with text to explain the image
... Easier with text to explain the image ←
14:46:56 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: You may have noticed that at the beginning of the vocab overview there is a short summary. but there are still a lot of technical issues pending
Riccardo Albertoni: You may have noticed that at the beginning of the vocab overview there is a short summary. but there are still a lot of technical issues pending ←
14:47:27 <phila> ... The parts I have described are more or less stable, but soem parts are not. If you have some specific suggestions, they'd be welcome
... The parts I have described are more or less stable, but soem parts are not. If you have some specific suggestions, they'd be welcome ←
14:47:49 <phila> laufer: I saw the intro. But I think we can have a more informal description of what the idea of quality is
Carlos Laufer: I saw the intro. But I think we can have a more informal description of what the idea of quality is ←
14:48:14 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:48:19 <phila> Laufer and Riccardo discuss the issue further
Laufer and Riccardo discuss the issue further ←
14:48:25 <yaso> ok
Yaso Córdova: ok ←
14:48:46 <phila> riccardoAlbertoni: So we could put an intro about the diagram, rephrasing things in more general terms
Riccardo Albertoni: So we could put an intro about the diagram, rephrasing things in more general terms ←
14:48:51 <phila> laufer: That would work...
Carlos Laufer: That would work... ←
14:49:04 <phila> yaso: Can you discuss this later by mail?
Yaso Córdova: Can you discuss this later by mail? ←
14:49:15 <phila> laufer: It's not an issue, I;m OK with this
Carlos Laufer: It's not an issue, I;m OK with this ←
14:49:16 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:49:35 <laufer> ok
Carlos Laufer: ok ←
14:49:45 <riccardoAlbertoni> fine
Riccardo Albertoni: fine ←
14:50:04 <riccardoAlbertoni> ok
Riccardo Albertoni: ok ←
14:50:30 <phila> PROPOSED: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added.
PROPOSED: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added. ←
14:50:40 <yaso> its ok!
Yaso Córdova: its ok! ←
14:50:52 <yaso> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
14:50:56 <gatemezi> +1
Ghislain Atemezing: +1 ←
14:50:59 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
14:50:59 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
14:51:01 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
14:51:03 <Caroline_> +1
Caroline Burle: +1 ←
14:51:04 <Eric_Kauz> +1
14:51:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
14:51:10 <PWinstanley> +1
Peter Winstanley: +1 ←
14:51:13 <newtoncalegari> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
14:51:21 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added.
RESOLVED: That the document at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html be published as the next WD of the Data Quality Vocabulary, subject to a Note being added that a textual description of the diagram will be added. ←
14:51:34 <phila> Topic: Dataset Usage Vocabulary
14:51:44 <phila> yaso: Do we have time to go through the DUV?
Yaso Córdova: Do we have time to go through the DUV? ←
14:52:00 <PWinstanley> q+
Peter Winstanley: q+ ←
14:52:04 <phila> ericstephan: Let me explain where we are
Eric Stephan: Let me explain where we are ←
14:52:08 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
14:52:24 <phila> ericstephan: I can go over really quickly. Thanks to Bernadette for the much cleaner model
Eric Stephan: I can go over really quickly. Thanks to Bernadette for the much cleaner model ←
14:52:31 <BernadetteLoscio> ;)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ;) ←
14:52:32 <phila> ... The issues 214-218 have been resolved
... The issues 214-218 have been resolved ←
14:52:48 <phila> ericstephan: Thanks to Phil for improvementes to get ready for publication and the TTL file
Eric Stephan: Thanks to Phil for improvementes to get ready for publication and the TTL file ←
14:52:52 <phila> phila: NP
Phil Archer: NP ←
14:53:13 <phila> ericstephan: Sumit went back in and improved the turtle file with major improvements made in the last 24 hours
Eric Stephan: Sumit went back in and improved the turtle file with major improvements made in the last 24 hours ←
14:53:20 <phila> ... and we've had comments from Phil
... and we've had comments from Phil ←
14:53:33 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:53:40 <phila> ... What's missing are some properties that need to be added, and there are some changes Phil has suggested that I agree with
... What's missing are some properties that need to be added, and there are some changes Phil has suggested that I agree with ←
14:54:03 <phila> ... We need stronger refs to external vocabs and there are issues that need to be added before it's published
... We need stronger refs to external vocabs and there are issues that need to be added before it's published ←
14:54:09 <phila> ericstephan: Is that it Berna?
Eric Stephan: Is that it Berna? ←
14:54:27 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: Yes, I agree. We needed to make changes to the model. We had a lot of discussions about the citations
Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes, I agree. We needed to make changes to the model. We had a lot of discussions about the citations ←
14:54:32 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:54:40 <yaso> ack PWinstanley
Yaso Córdova: ack PWinstanley ←
14:55:05 <phila> PWinstanley: The image in section 7 (vocab overview) works very micely in my Firefox but in my coroprate IE11 it's not supported
Peter Winstanley: The image in section 7 (vocab overview) works very micely in my Firefox but in my coroprate IE11 it's not supported ←
14:55:20 <phila> ... It's an embedded SVG that causes me a problem on my corporate desktop
... It's an embedded SVG that causes me a problem on my corporate desktop ←
14:55:23 <phila> q
q ←
14:55:26 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:55:27 <phila> q+
q+ ←
14:55:52 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
14:55:52 <ericstephan> thank you for bringing that to our attention!
Eric Stephan: thank you for bringing that to our attention! ←
14:56:03 <phila> yaso: I think we can add an issue about that, thanks PWinstanley
Yaso Córdova: I think we can add an issue about that, thanks PWinstanley ←
14:56:28 <ericstephan> +1 laufer I agree
Eric Stephan: +1 laufer I agree ←
14:56:31 <phila> laufer: I have the same comment as for DQV - we could do with a textual decription of the diagram
Carlos Laufer: I have the same comment as for DQV - we could do with a textual decription of the diagram ←
14:56:44 <phila> ... and the order of sections might be improved
... and the order of sections might be improved ←
14:57:05 <phila> ... And we have a ref to a class of duvFeedback that was changed to duv:userfeedback
... And we have a ref to a class of duvFeedback that was changed to duv:userfeedback ←
14:57:21 <phila> ... And we have several terms i the diagram that aren't in the spec and vice versa
... And we have several terms i the diagram that aren't in the spec and vice versa ←
14:57:47 <phila> yaso: I don't think it's an issue about the diagram/list issue
Yaso Córdova: I don't think it's an issue about the diagram/list issue ←
14:57:49 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
14:57:51 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
14:57:56 <yaso> ack phila
Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←
14:58:03 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges
-> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges ←
14:59:24 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
14:59:31 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
14:59:39 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
14:59:51 <phila> phila: Checked with PWinstanley that the SVG at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges is visible to him (it is)
Phil Archer: Checked with PWinstanley that the SVG at http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#challenges is visible to him (it is) ←
14:59:52 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
15:00:04 <newtoncalegari> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
15:00:10 <phila> ack n
ack n ←
15:00:13 <yaso> ack newtoncalegari
Yaso Córdova: ack newtoncalegari ←
15:00:24 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
15:00:25 <phila> newtoncalegari: I have updated the doc and ToC, i think it's right now
Newton Calegari: I have updated the doc and ToC, i think it's right now ←
15:00:29 <phila> ack l
ack l ←
15:00:36 <yaso> ack laufer
Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←
15:00:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:00:55 <phila> laufer: Agaiun, we have around 10 terms in the vocab overview andnot in the spec - I think the spec is the main thing of the doc
Carlos Laufer: Agaiun, we have around 10 terms in the vocab overview andnot in the spec - I think the spec is the main thing of the doc ←
15:01:06 <phila> ... I think we need all the terms decsribed
... I think we need all the terms decsribed ←
15:01:12 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
15:01:34 <phila> ack b
ack b ←
15:01:48 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
15:01:52 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: There more that needs to be included, Laufer is right, and we need to address Phil's last comment
Bernadette Farias Loscio: There more that needs to be included, Laufer is right, and we need to address Phil's last comment ←
15:02:06 <phila> yaso: So maybe the DUV shouldn't be published yet
Yaso Córdova: So maybe the DUV shouldn't be published yet ←
15:02:10 <phila> ericstephan: I tend to agree
Eric Stephan: I tend to agree ←
15:02:38 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
15:02:42 <phila> ... I am usually very proactive about getting things out and there are some editorial things that we need to work through. I'm disappointed but that's where we are I think
... I am usually very proactive about getting things out and there are some editorial things that we need to work through. I'm disappointed but that's where we are I think ←
15:02:50 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
15:02:53 <phila> laufer: I can send some text to help the editors
Carlos Laufer: I can send some text to help the editors ←
15:03:15 <yaso> q?
Yaso Córdova: q? ←
15:03:20 <phila> action: laufer to send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the DUV document
ACTION: laufer to send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the DUV document ←
15:03:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the duv document [on Carlos Laufer - due 2015-12-18].
Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-224 - Send a list of things to be added to/addressed in the duv document [on Carlos Laufer - due 2015-12-18]. ←
15:03:33 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: And about the4 Bp doc please laufer
Bernadette Farias Loscio: And about the4 Bp doc please laufer ←
15:03:48 <phila> yaso: Although we doidn't vote on the DUV, I think we had a successful meeting
Yaso Córdova: Although we doidn't vote on the DUV, I think we had a successful meeting ←
15:03:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks all
Riccardo Albertoni: thanks all ←
15:03:58 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks all!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: thanks all! ←
15:04:05 <phila> ... Congratulations to the editors of the docs that wuill be published. I suggest next week we talk about DUV
... Congratulations to the editors of the docs that wuill be published. I suggest next week we talk about DUV ←
15:04:19 <laufer> congrats to the editors of the three docs...
Carlos Laufer: congrats to the editors of the three docs... ←
15:04:22 <phila> ericstephan: I would ecnourage everyone to read through, comment etc. so that we can get it ready
Eric Stephan: I would ecnourage everyone to read through, comment etc. so that we can get it ready ←
15:04:23 <phila> q+
q+ ←
15:04:46 <ericstephan> wow
Eric Stephan: wow ←
15:04:53 <BernadetteLoscio> wow wow
Bernadette Farias Loscio: wow wow ←
15:05:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks phil ..
Riccardo Albertoni: Thanks phil .. ←
15:05:13 <phila> ack p
ack p ←
15:05:13 <laufer> bye all... nice weekend...
Carlos Laufer: bye all... nice weekend... ←
15:05:17 <BernadetteLoscio> yes Phil! Thanks a lot!
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes Phil! Thanks a lot! ←
15:05:19 <PWinstanley> bye
Peter Winstanley: bye ←
15:05:22 <phila> phila: Goes on about PubRules
Phil Archer: Goes on about PubRules ←
15:05:23 <gatemezi> bye
Ghislain Atemezing: bye ←
15:05:24 <Caroline_> thank you!! Bye!
Caroline Burle: thank you!! Bye! ←
15:05:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
RRSAgent, draft minutes ←
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15:05:37 <yaso> rssagent, draft minutes
Yaso Córdova: rssagent, draft minutes ←
15:05:41 <yaso> ops
Yaso Córdova: ops ←
15:05:44 <yaso> tks phil
Yaso Córdova: tks phil ←
15:09:12 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
RRSAgent, make logs public ←
15:09:15 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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