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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 13 November 2015

Agenda

https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151113

Present

Eric Stephan, Yaso Córdova, Newton Calegari, Eric Kauz, Riccardo Albertoni, Hadley Beeman

Chair

Yaso Córdova

Scribe

Hadley Beeman

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/11/06-dwbp-minutes link

Topics

Updates from BP document
updates on data usage vocabulary
Data Quality Vocabulary
Any other business

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14:01:43 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-irc

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14:01:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351

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14:01:45 <yaso> Topic for #dwbp is: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151113

Yaso Córdova: Topic for #dwbp is: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151113 ←

14:01:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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14:01:47 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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14:01:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

14:01:48 <trackbot> Date: 13 November 2015

14:01:55 <hadleybeeman> PhilA, webex doesn't seem to have the time zones right

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14:01:58 <phila> zakim, code?

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14:02:10 <hadleybeeman> We had this problem with the TAG call too (PhilA)

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14:02:13 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Please look at the wiki for the NEW DIAL IN DETAILS

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14:02:21 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Please look at the wiki for the NEW DIAL IN DETAILS

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14:02:37 <phila> It's not that, hadleybeeman, it's that our meeeting booking was cacnelled

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14:02:42 <phila> we have had trolls

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14:02:44 <hadleybeeman> Ouch!

Hadley Beeman: Ouch! ←

14:02:47 <hadleybeeman> Okay. :(

Hadley Beeman: Okay. :( ←

14:04:53 <ericstephan> present+ ericstephan

Eric Stephan: present+ ericstephan ←

14:06:07 <phila> zakim, code?

Phil Archer: zakim, code? ←

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14:06:16 <yaso> present+ yaso

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14:06:24 <newtonca_> present+ newtoncalegari

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14:06:28 <Eric_Kauz> present+ Eric_Kauz

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14:06:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni

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14:06:54 <newton> present+ newton

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14:07:38 <hadleybeeman> present+ hadley

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14:07:39 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

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14:07:39 <Zakim> Present: ericstephan, yaso, newtoncalegari, Eric_Kauz, riccardoAlbertoni, hadley

14:07:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see newton, phila, Eric_Kauz, ericstephan, RRSAgent, Zakim, riccardoAlbertoni, newtoncalegari, yaso, PWinstanley, Ig_Bittencourt, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

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14:07:42 <phila> present+ phila

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14:07:54 <phila> IF YOU ARE NOT ON WEBEX YET, PLEASE NOTE NEW DETAILS

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14:08:03 <phila> IT'S NOT THE SAME AS LAST WEEK

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14:08:25 <yaso> scribe?

Yaso Córdova: scribe? ←

14:08:52 <yaso> Hi Laufer

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14:09:00 <PWinstanley_> present+ PWinstanley

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14:09:07 <laufer> hi Yaso

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14:09:18 <laufer> present+ laufer

Unknown laufer: present+ laufer ←

14:09:22 <yaso> scribe: hadleybeeman

(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)

14:09:36 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-11-06

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-11-06 ←

14:09:39 <hadleybeeman> chair: yaso

14:09:54 <hadleybeeman> PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes?

PROPOSED: approve last week's minutes? ←

14:09:58 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

14:10:01 <hadleybeeman> +1

+1 ←

14:10:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0 ( i was not present)

Riccardo Albertoni: +0 ( i was not present) ←

14:10:03 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1 ←

14:10:10 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

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14:10:29 <phila> PROPSOED: Accept lasty week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/11/06-dwbp-minutes

PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/11/06-dwbp-minutes ←

14:10:33 <laufer> +1

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14:10:36 <phila> s/lasty/last/

14:10:37 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

14:11:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +0 ( i was not present)

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14:11:13 <phila> RESOLUTION: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/11/06-dwbp-minutes

RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2015/11/06-dwbp-minutes ←

14:11:17 <yaso> s/PROPSOED/PROPOSED

14:11:19 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1 ←

14:11:27 <BernadetteLoscio> +1

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: +1 ←

14:11:36 <yaso> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151113

14:11:44 <jerdeb> present+ jerdeb

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14:11:55 <hadleybeeman> Topic: Updates from BP document

1. Updates from BP document

14:12:06 <hadleybeeman> yaso: Bernadette or Newton?

Yaso Córdova: Bernadette or Newton? ←

14:12:11 <BernadetteLoscio> present +BernadetteLoscio

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: present +BernadetteLoscio ←

14:12:12 <newton> Berna

Newton Calegari: Berna ←

14:12:28 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio ←

14:12:35 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Unknown phila: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:12:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←

14:12:39 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: We are still working on the updates of the document

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: We are still working on the updates of the document ←

14:12:47 <hadleybeeman> ...We are working on the examples. And reviewing some Bps.

...We are working on the examples. And reviewing some Bps. ←

14:13:08 <hadleybeeman> ...I was reviewing the BP on data vocabularies, and opened some issues and are discussing them with Antoine

...I was reviewing the BP on data vocabularies, and opened some issues and are discussing them with Antoine ←

14:13:19 <hadleybeeman> ...I hope we can get consensus and some examples for the end of next week.

...I hope we can get consensus and some examples for the end of next week. ←

14:13:51 <hadleybeeman> ...For the Data Access section: Newton and I were discussing examples for this

...For the Data Access section: Newton and I were discussing examples for this ←

14:13:55 <newton> The ISSUE-213

Newton Calegari: The ISSUE-213 ←

14:13:55 <PWinstanley_> hadleybeeman: is it your typing that's coming over the lines?  can you mute pls

Hadley Beeman: is it your typing that's coming over the lines? can you mute pls [ Scribe Assist by Unknown PWinstanley_ ] ←

14:14:00 <hadleybeeman> ...And also the BP about use of REST for APIs. Newton just opened an issue about it

...And also the BP about use of REST for APIs. Newton just opened an issue about it ←

14:14:28 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Unknown phila: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

14:14:32 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Unknown phila: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

14:14:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-minutes.html phila

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14:14:36 <hadleybeeman> ...I also sent a message about the use of a specific vocab (the DTFS) to use in examples on transport data.

...I also sent a message about the use of a specific vocab (the GTFS) to use in examples on transport data. ←

14:14:48 <phila> s/DTFS/GTFS/

14:14:54 <hadleybeeman> ...I got some answers, and am considering using this. Does the group agree?

...I got some answers, and am considering using this. Does the group agree? ←

14:15:06 <hadleybeeman> ...Or are there other suggestions? Mark sent some.

...Or are there other suggestions? Mark sent some. ←

14:15:13 <hadleybeeman> ...GTFS is easy to work with.

...GTFS is easy to work with. ←

14:15:22 <phila> +1 to using GTFS in examples

Unknown phila: +1 to using GTFS in examples ←

14:15:22 <hadleybeeman> ...This is just an example, not to say you SHOULD use this vocabulary

...This is just an example, not to say you SHOULD use this vocabulary ←

14:15:34 <hadleybeeman> ...Phil, have you talked with Christophe re the Data Preservation section?

...Phil, have you talked with Christophe re the Data Preservation section? ←

14:15:56 <yaso> +1 to GTFS at examples

Yaso Córdova: +1 to GTFS at examples ←

14:15:58 <hadleybeeman> phila: Re GTFS: as an example, that's fine.  (The G used to stand for "Google"; now it's "General".) Almost everyone uses it.

Unknown phila: Re GTFS: as an example, that's fine. (The G used to stand for "Google"; now it's "General".) Almost everyone uses it. ←

14:16:06 <hadleybeeman> ...Stations, bus stops, timetables, etc.

...Stations, bus stops, timetables, etc. ←

14:16:21 <hadleybeeman> ...As long as it's just in the examples and we aren't saying "you must use this"; that's fine.

...As long as it's just in the examples and we aren't saying "you must use this"; that's fine. ←

14:16:34 <hadleybeeman> ...I did contact Christophe, who responded with a pull request with examples.

...I did contact Christophe, who responded with a pull request with examples. ←

14:16:44 <hadleybeeman> ...I haven't yet asked him to look at the running example.

...I haven't yet asked him to look at the running example. ←

14:17:00 <hadleybeeman> ...I haven't seen what he's written yet (in that PR), but if the example doesn't fit that, I'll see if I can edit it.

...I haven't seen what he's written yet (in that PR), but if the example doesn't fit that, I'll see if I can edit it. ←

14:17:09 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Okay, I'll look at his PR.

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: Okay, I'll look at his PR. ←

14:17:17 <hadleybeeman> ...and I'll reply on email.

...and I'll reply on email. ←

14:17:19 <hadleybeeman> q?

q? ←

14:17:21 <newton> q+

Newton Calegari: q+ ←

14:17:47 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: So we are working on the doc, reviewing the BPs. There is still stuff to do. This week I'll send emails asking for feedback about specific stuff.

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: So we are working on the doc, reviewing the BPs. There is still stuff to do. This week I'll send emails asking for feedback about specific stuff. ←

14:17:53 <hadleybeeman> ... From the whole group.

... From the whole group. ←

14:17:57 <phila> q+ to ask about next publication date

Unknown phila: q+ to ask about next publication date ←

14:18:11 <hadleybeeman> ...Soon we need to prepare the doc to publish the next draft, so it's good to get feedback now.

...Soon we need to prepare the doc to publish the next draft, so it's good to get feedback now. ←

14:18:13 <hadleybeeman> q?

q? ←

14:18:32 <yaso> ack newton

Yaso Córdova: ack newton ←

14:18:35 <hadleybeeman> ack newton

ack newton ←

14:18:52 <newton> Title: Use Content Negotiation when providing the same resource with different formats

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Unknown Title: Use Content Negotiation when providing the same resource with different formats [ Scribe Assist by Newton Calegari ] ←

14:18:54 <hadleybeeman> newton: Re Conneg: I wrote a draft on this and have discussed with Bernadette

Newton Calegari: Re Conneg: I wrote a draft on this and have discussed with Bernadette ←

14:19:06 <hadleybeeman> ...I've changed the title

...I've changed the title ←

14:19:13 <yaso> link, newton

Yaso Córdova: link, newton ←

14:19:14 <yaso> ?

Yaso Córdova: ? ←

14:19:21 <hadleybeeman> ...With this title, this BP could be basian or not

...With this title, this BP could be basian or not ←

14:19:38 <hadleybeeman> ...I don't have a link yet, but I will put the text on my GitHub and send to the group

...I don't have a link yet, but I will put the text on my GitHub and send to the group ←

14:19:48 <hadleybeeman> ...It's better to discuss it later, with more content.

...It's better to discuss it later, with more content. ←

14:19:50 <PWinstanley> present+ PWinstanley

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14:19:55 <newton> ISSUE-213

Newton Calegari: ISSUE-213 ←

14:19:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-213 -- Changes on BP about REST APIs -- raised

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-213 -- Changes on BP about REST APIs -- raised ←

14:19:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/213

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/213 ←

14:20:00 <hadleybeeman> yaso: And the BP for REST APIs?

Yaso Córdova: And the BP for REST APIs? ←

14:20:40 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: As Newton said on the issue, it's more because the idea of us saying you should use REST APIs as an approach to implementation — instead of saying this on the  title of the BP

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: As Newton said on the issue, it's more because the idea of us saying you should use REST APIs as an approach to implementation — instead of saying this on the title of the BP ←

14:20:54 <hadleybeeman> ...So the title could be more generic, like "use APIs", and then on the approach implementation section

...So the title could be more generic, like "use APIs", and then on the approach implementation section ←

14:21:02 <hadleybeeman> ...you could say that one option would be to use RESTful APIs

...you could say that one option would be to use RESTful APIs ←

14:21:16 <hadleybeeman> ...I don't think it's in the scope of the group to say how to implement a RESTful API

...I don't think it's in the scope of the group to say how to implement a RESTful API ←

14:21:18 <phila> Not sure I agree with that but I'll need to look at it more carefully, i.e. I have an idea we should be firmer in recommending REST

Unknown phila: Not sure I agree with that but I'll need to look at it more carefully, i.e. I have an idea we should be firmer in recommending REST ←

14:21:31 <hadleybeeman> ...If you're going to use an API, you should use a RESTful API, but say this is an example.

...If you're going to use an API, you should use a RESTful API, but say this is an example. ←

14:21:36 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phil from me

+1 to phil from me ←

14:21:46 <hadleybeeman> yaso: I agree with Phil. Maybe we should talk more?

Yaso Córdova: I agree with Phil. Maybe we should talk more? ←

14:21:54 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: We just started the discussion.

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: We just started the discussion. ←

14:22:14 <hadleybeeman> yaso: I agree that we don't need to mention the REST word. But I don't know if we don't have to mention the methods related to hypermedia and stuffy

Yaso Córdova: I agree that we don't need to mention the REST word. But I don't know if we don't have to mention the methods related to hypermedia and stuffy ←

14:22:23 <hadleybeeman> ...Maybe we should carry on the discussion on email?

...Maybe we should carry on the discussion on email? ←

14:22:34 <hadleybeeman> ...Newton or Bernadette, could you send this around?

...Newton or Bernadette, could you send this around? ←

14:22:39 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: It's on the issue (213)

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: It's on the issue (213) ←

14:22:49 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks Hadley!

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: thanks Hadley! ←

14:22:53 <hadleybeeman> newton: We could recommend some links on it

Newton Calegari: We could recommend some links on it ←

14:23:05 <hadleybeeman> ...But I'm not sure we should get more specific

...But I'm not sure we should get more specific ←

14:23:05 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:23:06 <hadleybeeman> q?

q? ←

14:23:10 <hadleybeeman> ack phil

ack phil ←

14:23:10 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about next publication date

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask about next publication date ←

14:23:12 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←

14:23:27 <hadleybeeman> phila: Newton, BernadetteLoscio, when do you think we can have a new publication? (ideally before Christmas)

Unknown phila: Newton, BernadetteLoscio, when do you think we can have a new publication? (ideally before Christmas) ←

14:23:30 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: Yes ←

14:23:36 <hadleybeeman> phila: End of this month?

Unknown phila: End of this month? ←

14:23:38 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: Yes ←

14:23:45 <hadleybeeman> Phila: put the open issues in the document, like this one.

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Unknown Phila: put the open issues in the document, like this one. ←

14:23:54 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: We are working on it.

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: We are working on it. ←

14:24:16 <hadleybeeman> phila: I'm trying to encourage you to publish something even though there is more work to do. We need another snapshot out to get feedback.

Unknown phila: I'm trying to encourage you to publish something even though there is more work to do. We need another snapshot out to get feedback. ←

14:24:27 <hadleybeeman> ...We are headed toward Candidate Rec stage in 2 months time.

...We are headed toward Candidate Rec stage in 2 months time. ←

14:24:28 <yaso>  Data Usage Vocabulary

Yaso Córdova: Data Usage Vocabulary ←

14:24:29 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Okay

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: Okay ←

14:24:36 <hadleybeeman> topic: updates on data usage vocabulary

2. updates on data usage vocabulary

14:24:41 <BartvanLeeuwen> present+ BartvanLeeuwen

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14:25:02 <ericstephan> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/ce/Duv-citations-research.pdf

Eric Stephan: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/ce/Duv-citations-research.pdf ←

14:25:02 <hadleybeeman> ericstephan: I put this link on the agenda Update on Dataset Usage https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/ce/Duv-citations-research.pdf

Eric Stephan: I put this link on the agenda Update on Dataset Usage https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/images/c/ce/Duv-citations-research.pdf ←

14:25:12 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Scribe problem: the name 'Caroline' does not match any of the 9 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Eric Stephan Yaso Córdova Newton Calegari Eric Kauz Riccardo Albertoni Hadley Beeman Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Caroline: Present+ Caroline ←

14:25:13 <hadleybeeman> ...Sorry, it's a slow download

...Sorry, it's a slow download ←

14:25:46 <hadleybeeman> ...I'll wait just a couple minutes while it's downloading (for all of you)  — and talk about the Data usage part of the vocabulary

...I'll wait just a couple minutes while it's downloading (for all of you) — and talk about the Data usage part of the vocabulary ←

14:25:56 <hadleybeeman> ...BernadetteLoscio and I have resolved this AM we need the working group's input

...BernadetteLoscio and I have resolved this AM we need the working group's input ←

14:26:11 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:26:11 <hadleybeeman> ...To do that, we have to put issues into the document so you can see where we're struggling.

...To do that, we have to put issues into the document so you can see where we're struggling. ←

14:26:15 <hadleybeeman> ...And give us your ideas.

...And give us your ideas. ←

14:26:37 <hadleybeeman> ...There is another part where external folks are working in the climate community (NASA and universities) have a tool called Tool Match, which seems up our alley

...There is another part where external folks are working in the climate community (NASA and universities) have a tool called Tool Match, which seems up our alley ←

14:26:52 <hadleybeeman> ...While it's focused on geospatial, it may give us some ideas on how to direct our efforts on the DUV

...While it's focused on geospatial, it may give us some ideas on how to direct our efforts on the DUV ←

14:26:54 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:27:29 <hadleybeeman> ...Next part is the presentation.  Last 2 weeks, I appreciate everyone bearing with me on Data citations.

...Next part is the presentation. Last 2 weeks, I appreciate everyone bearing with me on Data citations. ←

14:27:38 <hadleybeeman> ...It's a challenging problem, how to get the citations model right.

...It's a challenging problem, how to get the citations model right. ←

14:28:00 <hadleybeeman> ...I was grappling with the issue that there are a lot of different solutions, challenges, ontologies, vocabularies...

...I was grappling with the issue that there are a lot of different solutions, challenges, ontologies, vocabularies... ←

14:28:08 <hadleybeeman> ...Most people think about the Info model. [slide 1]

...Most people think about the Info model. [slide 1] ←

14:28:21 <hadleybeeman> ...I'm highlighting the MLA, APA and Chicago Manual styles, the three main ones.

...I'm highlighting the MLA, APA and Chicago Manual styles, the three main ones. ←

14:28:43 <hadleybeeman> ...I've been using the Purdue Online Writing Lab as a resource (logo on slide), because I didn't just want to study about mental models for any type of citation—

...I've been using the Purdue Online Writing Lab as a resource (logo on slide), because I didn't just want to study about mental models for any type of citation— ←

14:28:51 <hadleybeeman> ...We care about citations for data on the Web.

...We care about citations for data on the Web. ←

14:28:54 <hadleybeeman> ...[Slide 2]

...[Slide 2] ←

14:29:08 <hadleybeeman> ...Re constructing knowledge models... [Minecraft slide]

...Re constructing knowledge models... [Minecraft slide] ←

14:29:24 <hadleybeeman> ...You have lots of tools with different emphases. I've been looking for the best solution for us.

...You have lots of tools with different emphases. I've been looking for the best solution for us. ←

14:29:29 <hadleybeeman> ...[Slide 3]

...[Slide 3] ←

14:29:44 <hadleybeeman> ...Is there some level of synchronisation possible, to go from the information model to the knowledge model?

...Is there some level of synchronisation possible, to go from the information model to the knowledge model? ←

14:30:03 <hadleybeeman> ...You've got a consumer who cites, on the Web, a dataset from a journal article.

...You've got a consumer who cites, on the Web, a dataset from a journal article. ←

14:30:20 <hadleybeeman> ...We have to have a link to that, or we'll only be building knowledge models and not reaching out to the greater community

...We have to have a link to that, or we'll only be building knowledge models and not reaching out to the greater community ←

14:30:40 <hadleybeeman> ...We've got a publisher who creates a metadata citation for data on the Web, or

...We've got a publisher who creates a metadata citation for data on the Web, or ←

14:30:42 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:30:53 <hadleybeeman> ...citing a technical document associated with the data.

...citing a technical document associated with the data. ←

14:30:56 <hadleybeeman> ...[next slide]

...[next slide] ←

14:31:12 <hadleybeeman> ...Re digital libraries... I've found there is a core electronic document data model.

...Re digital libraries... I've found there is a core electronic document data model. ←

14:31:20 <hadleybeeman> ...There are different styles that extend that model

...There are different styles that extend that model ←

14:31:31 <hadleybeeman> ...Around that, you have the vocabularies. SPAR ontologies, Dublin Core, etc.

...Around that, you have the vocabularies. SPAR ontologies, Dublin Core, etc. ←

14:31:50 <hadleybeeman> ...Beyond the vocabularies, you have the Force11 community, and the other non-semweb vocabs

...Beyond the vocabularies, you have the Force11 community, and the other non-semweb vocabs ←

14:32:00 <hadleybeeman> ...You have StructureID. Bib-JSON

...You have StructureID. Bib-JSON ←

14:32:21 <hadleybeeman> ...Because we're looking at open data on the Web and not just semantic data, that's useful.

...Because we're looking at open data on the Web and not just semantic data, that's useful. ←

14:32:42 <hadleybeeman> ...I know we're focusing on URIs as identifiers, but there are legacy datasets that use other identifiers.

...I know we're focusing on URIs as identifiers, but there are legacy datasets that use other identifiers. ←

14:32:50 <hadleybeeman> ...If they have those, we have to bring those along too.

...If they have those, we have to bring those along too. ←

14:33:10 <hadleybeeman> ...Outside that, whatever we put together for a data model, we include principles from Force11 and BPs...

...Outside that, whatever we put together for a data model, we include principles from Force11 and BPs... ←

14:33:21 <hadleybeeman> ...And then there is Interrelated content, which is what you do with the citation

...And then there is Interrelated content, which is what you do with the citation ←

14:33:26 <hadleybeeman> ...And there are ontologies for that.

...And there are ontologies for that. ←

14:33:42 <hadleybeeman> ...It helped me separate in my mind everything out there, and the correlation between the info and the knowledge models.

...It helped me separate in my mind everything out there, and the correlation between the info and the knowledge models. ←

14:33:46 <hadleybeeman> ...[Next slide]

...[Next slide] ←

14:33:56 <hadleybeeman> ...From the digital librarians...

...From the digital librarians... ←

14:34:00 <hadleybeeman> ...This is the core citation model

...This is the core citation model ←

14:34:11 <hadleybeeman> ...Only thing we added: the Citation creator

...Only thing we added: the Citation creator ←

14:34:31 <hadleybeeman> ...There were a few that jumped out at me. Sometimes the publisher, creator and distributor might be broken out

...There were a few that jumped out at me. Sometimes the publisher, creator and distributor might be broken out ←

14:34:34 <hadleybeeman> ...[next slide]

...[next slide] ←

14:35:08 <hadleybeeman> ...Based on the previous slide with the basic elements, we have right now in the model DUV-CitationAct, we recommend it includes the properties that support the attributes here.

...Based on the previous slide with the basic elements, we have right now in the model DUV-CitationAct, we recommend it includes the properties that support the attributes here. ←

14:35:16 <hadleybeeman> ...This is up for discussion... did we pick the best properties?

...This is up for discussion... did we pick the best properties? ←

14:35:46 <hadleybeeman> ...Also, if something is published on the Web, sometimes you have authors who are a foaf:agent, sometimes foaf:organisation, sometimes foaf:project

...Also, if something is published on the Web, sometimes you have authors who are a foaf:agent, sometimes foaf:organisation, sometimes foaf:project ←

14:35:57 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:36:07 <hadleybeeman> ...The role of the distributor, whoever makes the data accessible on the web... we're talking about the relationship between that and the dataset.

...The role of the distributor, whoever makes the data accessible on the web... we're talking about the relationship between that and the dataset. ←

14:36:17 <hadleybeeman> ...We're proposing we go with the basic citation model.

...We're proposing we go with the basic citation model. ←

14:36:36 <hadleybeeman> ...Then: we're aligned with the digital librarian community. Got feedback from Purdue.

...Then: we're aligned with the digital librarian community. Got feedback from Purdue. ←

14:36:47 <hadleybeeman> ...Through this, I've learned which communities we need to get to validate this.

...Through this, I've learned which communities we need to get to validate this. ←

14:36:56 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:37:05 <hadleybeeman> yaso: Thank you for the update. Comments?

Yaso Córdova: Thank you for the update. Comments? ←

14:37:11 <hadleybeeman> phila: I do, but I know we don't have much time

Unknown phila: I do, but I know we don't have much time ←

14:37:28 <hadleybeeman> ...Grateful to Eric for that huge amount of work. I need to sit  down and send questions on email.

...Grateful to Eric for that huge amount of work. I need to sit down and send questions on email. ←

14:37:32 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/

Yaso Córdova: http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dqv/ ←

14:37:33 <hadleybeeman> topic: Data Quality Vocabulary

3. Data Quality Vocabulary

14:37:53 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: First a little discussion on the update in the document.

Riccardo Albertoni: First a little discussion on the update in the document. ←

14:38:08 <hadleybeeman> ...This week, Antoine changed the data document, updating it according to the decision we made in the last call.

...This week, Antoine changed the data document, updating it according to the decision we made in the last call. ←

14:38:28 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV

Unknown phila: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html DQV ←

14:38:39 <hadleybeeman> ...I think that the most important thing is that we now have an example to show how to associate all the high-quality certifications for a dataset.

...I think that the most important thing is that we now have an example to show how to associate all the high-quality certifications for a dataset. ←

14:38:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate

Riccardo Albertoni: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate ←

14:38:54 <hadleybeeman> ...This is an example. http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate

...This is an example. http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate ←

14:39:23 <hadleybeeman> ... Beside small changes on the document, we have 2 discussions pending.

... Beside small changes on the document, we have 2 discussions pending. ←

14:39:30 <hadleybeeman> ...We are waiting for people behind the scenes.

...We are waiting for people behind the scenes. ←

14:39:40 <hadleybeeman> ...1) How to encode SLA in a quality policy?

...1) How to encode SLA in a quality policy? ←

14:39:55 <hadleybeeman> ...Yesterday, Nandana sent examples to the editors. We are considering them and hope to add them to the doc soon.

...Yesterday, Nandana sent examples to the editors. We are considering them and hope to add them to the doc soon. ←

14:40:23 <hadleybeeman> ...2) Re metrics dimensions categories, is this a concrete class or abstract class?

...2) Re metrics dimensions categories, is this a concrete class or abstract class? ←

14:40:39 <hadleybeeman> ...I want to apologise. @@@ contacted us editors last week, and we haven't had time yet to answer.

...I want to apologise. Jeremy contacted us editors last week, and we haven't had time yet to answer. ←

14:41:01 <hadleybeeman> ...I'd like to move on to concrete discussion about issues now, unless there are questions?

...I'd like to move on to concrete discussion about issues now, unless there are questions? ←

14:41:05 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:41:29 <phila> s/@@@/Jeremy/

14:41:32 <hadleybeeman> [no questions]

[no questions] ←

14:41:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> issue-202

Riccardo Albertoni: ISSUE-202 ←

14:41:35 <trackbot> issue-202 -- Relation between dqv, iso 19115/19157 and geodcat-ap -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-202 -- Relation between dqv, iso 19115/19157 and geodcat-ap -- open ←

14:41:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/202

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/202 ←

14:41:39 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: Let's start with issue 202

Riccardo Albertoni: Let's start with ISSUE-202 ←

14:41:56 <hadleybeeman> ...Which was generated by Andrea Perrego.

...Which was generated by Andrea Perrego. ←

14:42:19 <hadleybeeman> ...Issue: relationship between the vocab, an ISO standard, the INSPIRE directive and a profile of DCAT

...Issue: relationship between the vocab, an ISO standard, the INSPIRE directive and a profile of DCAT ←

14:42:35 <hadleybeeman> ...Perrego suggested some possible requirements to consider.

...Perrego suggested some possible requirements to consider. ←

14:42:56 <hadleybeeman> ...In the DQV, we are already saying that a dataset conforms to a standard, we have a specific property in the class for doing that.

...In the DQV, we are already saying that a dataset conforms to a standard, we have a specific property in the class for doing that. ←

14:43:24 <hadleybeeman> ...Andrea is asking if we would like to consider also to express that a dataset is not conformant to a standard. Or that it hasn't yet been evaluated against a standard.

...Andrea is asking if we would like to consider also to express that a dataset is not conformant to a standard. Or that it hasn't yet been evaluated against a standard. ←

14:43:32 <hadleybeeman> ...Yesterday I emailed about this

...Yesterday I emailed about this ←

14:43:44 <phila> q+

Unknown phila: q+ ←

14:43:55 <hadleybeeman> ...My position: we should consider to add the support in DQV to express that a dataset is not conformant to a standard.

...My position: we should consider to add the support in DQV to express that a dataset is not conformant to a standard. ←

14:44:08 <hadleybeeman> ...But I'm not sure if it makes sense to say that it has not yet been evaluated against a standard.

...But I'm not sure if it makes sense to say that it has not yet been evaluated against a standard. ←

14:44:14 <hadleybeeman> ...So, any comments?

...So, any comments? ←

14:44:18 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:44:22 <hadleybeeman> ack phila

ack phila ←

14:44:23 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←

14:44:52 <hadleybeeman> phila: The thing about DCAT-AP and GeoDCAT-AP is that they are in increasing use, the European Data Portal is being launched next week which demands DCAT-AP

Unknown phila: The thing about DCAT-AP and GeoDCAT-AP is that they are in increasing use, the European Data Portal is being launched next week which demands DCAT-AP ←

14:45:01 <hadleybeeman> ...I get hung up on "what is the subject of the triples."

...I get hung up on "what is the subject of the triples." ←

14:45:26 <hadleybeeman> ...If I have a dataset of bus stops, the dataset doesn't conform to GeoDCAT-AP, but the metadata about the data may conform.

...If I have a dataset of bus stops, the dataset doesn't conform to GeoDCAT-AP, but the metadata about the data may conform. ←

14:45:45 <peter> present+ peter

Scribe problem: the name 'peter' does not match any of the 9 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Eric Stephan Yaso Córdova Newton Calegari Eric Kauz Riccardo Albertoni Hadley Beeman Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown peter: present+ peter ←

14:45:52 <hadleybeeman> ...You'll need a property that says, "This dataset has metadata that is conformant to this standard [like GeoDCAT-AP]

...You'll need a property that says, "This dataset has metadata that is conformant to this standard [like GeoDCAT-AP] ←

14:45:55 <hadleybeeman> ..."

..." ←

14:45:56 <phila> <dataset> ex:hasMetadataConformantTo <DCAT-AP>

Unknown phila: <dataset> ex:hasMetadataConformantTo <DCAT-AP> ←

14:46:11 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: That is a good suggestion

Riccardo Albertoni: That is a good suggestion ←

14:46:30 <hadleybeeman> ...It's hard to say if this is in the scope for DQV. It could be.

...It's hard to say if this is in the scope for DQV. It could be. ←

14:47:08 <hadleybeeman> ...We are trying to model the quality of datasets. The fact that the dataset is compliant to DCAT-AP, which is basically a vocabulary... so it is not a standard?

...We are trying to model the quality of datasets. The fact that the dataset is compliant to DCAT-AP, which is basically a vocabulary... so it is not a standard? ←

14:47:20 <hadleybeeman> phila: The European Commission wouldn't agree that it isn't a standard.

Unknown phila: The European Commission wouldn't agree that it isn't a standard. ←

14:47:30 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: I guess there are plenty of standards.

Riccardo Albertoni: I guess there are plenty of standards. ←

14:47:40 <hadleybeeman> ...I wonder if this kind of statement should be captured by our vocabulary or not.

...I wonder if this kind of statement should be captured by our vocabulary or not. ←

14:47:44 <laufer> q+

Unknown laufer: q+ ←

14:47:54 <hadleybeeman> phila: I think it tells you something about the process, how the data was created.

Unknown phila: I think it tells you something about the process, how the data was created. ←

14:48:12 <hadleybeeman> ...It tells you the organisation that created this data has taken the trouble to create metadata according to this standard.

...It tells you the organisation that created this data has taken the trouble to create metadata according to this standard. ←

14:48:14 <hadleybeeman> q+

q+ ←

14:48:18 <peter> there is an RDA - related metadata to metadata link issue:  http://www.rda-jsc.org/sites/all/files/6JSC-ALA-45-CCC-response.pdf

Unknown peter: there is an RDA - related metadata to metadata link issue: http://www.rda-jsc.org/sites/all/files/6JSC-ALA-45-CCC-response.pdf ←

14:48:36 <hadleybeeman> ...It lets you trust the data further.

...It lets you trust the data further. ←

14:48:57 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: I get that. I wonder if the property you were suggesting could be a sub-property of dc:conformsTo?

Riccardo Albertoni: I get that. I wonder if the property you were suggesting could be a sub-property of dc:conformsTo? ←

14:49:02 <hadleybeeman> ...Shall we open an issue?

...Shall we open an issue? ←

14:49:08 <hadleybeeman> phila: Was hoping to help you close an issue

Unknown phila: Was hoping to help you close an issue ←

14:49:26 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: This is a good suggestion, but I think it's not helping to close the issue.

Riccardo Albertoni: This is a good suggestion, but I think it's not helping to close the issue. ←

14:49:34 <hadleybeeman> ...I'm happy you pointed this out.

...I'm happy you pointed this out. ←

14:49:37 <phila> ack l

Unknown phila: ack l ←

14:49:38 <hadleybeeman> ack lauf

ack lauf ←

14:49:39 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:49:52 <yaso> ack hadleybeeman

Yaso Córdova: ack hadleybeeman ←

14:49:57 <yaso> ops

Yaso Córdova: ops ←

14:50:00 <yaso> ack laufer

Yaso Córdova: ack laufer ←

14:50:11 <hadleybeeman> laufer: About the issue of seeing or not if the datasets conforms to a standard:

Unknown laufer: About the issue of seeing or not if the datasets conforms to a standard: ←

14:50:23 <hadleybeeman> ...I want to ask, what is the model we are assuming for quality? A closed world, or an open world?

...I want to ask, what is the model we are assuming for quality? A closed world, or an open world? ←

14:50:37 <hadleybeeman> ...I think we have to assert that the quality of a dataset is in a closed world.

...I think we have to assert that the quality of a dataset is in a closed world. ←

14:50:43 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: I tend to agree

Riccardo Albertoni: I tend to agree ←

14:50:49 <jerdeb> it should be closed world

Unknown jerdeb: it should be closed world ←

14:50:59 <hadleybeeman> ...In most cases, they are working with a closed world assumption. Depends on the community.

...In most cases, they are working with a closed world assumption. Depends on the community. ←

14:51:15 <hadleybeeman> laufer: I think it's difficult to assert all the things that a dataset is not.

Unknown laufer: I think it's difficult to assert all the things that a dataset is not. ←

14:51:25 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: That's profound

Hadley Beeman: That's profound ←

14:51:41 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: You are saying there is difficulties in expressing this statement, but you would find it useful to express it?

Riccardo Albertoni: You are saying there is difficulties in expressing this statement, but you would find it useful to express it? ←

14:52:07 <hadleybeeman> laufer: I don't know. I think we have to define what are the assertions about  quality that our vocabulary will enable.

Unknown laufer: I don't know. I think we have to define what are the assertions about quality that our vocabulary will enable. ←

14:52:20 <hadleybeeman> ...So, one can assert that a dataset is conforment to a standard.

...So, one can assert that a dataset is conforment to a standard. ←

14:52:35 <hadleybeeman> ...But it seems a strange thing to assert to what the dataset is not conferment.

...But it seems a strange thing to assert to what the dataset is not conferment. ←

14:52:59 <hadleybeeman> ...If you don't assert that it IS conformant, then we can conclude that it isn't conforment.

...If you don't assert that it IS conformant, then we can conclude that it isn't conforment. ←

14:53:07 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+ ←

14:53:25 <yaso> q-

Yaso Córdova: q- ←

14:53:27 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: The point is that Andrea is point out that these kinds of needs are required in some domains, like geographical domain.

Riccardo Albertoni: The point is that Andrea is point out that these kinds of needs are required in some domains, like geographical domain. ←

14:53:28 <hadleybeeman> q+

q+ ←

14:53:37 <hadleybeeman> ...Where there is a huge amount of open data.

...Where there is a huge amount of open data. ←

14:54:09 <hadleybeeman> ...I think we should take into consideration the possibility that saying that one dataset is not conformant to a standard. But I don't think "not evaluated yet" is useful

...I think we should take into consideration the possibility that saying that one dataset is not conformant to a standard. But I don't think "not evaluated yet" is useful ←

14:54:33 <hadleybeeman> ...And may make the management of metadata more difficult

...And may make the management of metadata more difficult ←

14:54:49 <hadleybeeman> laufer: If you don't have any assertion about a standard, we can conclude...nothing?

Unknown laufer: If you don't have any assertion about a standard, we can conclude...nothing? ←

14:54:53 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: Yes, nothing.

Riccardo Albertoni: Yes, nothing. ←

14:55:12 <hadleybeeman> ...Because some people will work in an open-world assumption.  Others in the closed-world assumption. We can't presume.

...Because some people will work in an open-world assumption. Others in the closed-world assumption. We can't presume. ←

14:55:29 <hadleybeeman> ...I'm not sure; this is an open discussion

...I'm not sure; this is an open discussion ←

14:55:33 <yaso> ack hadleybeeman

Yaso Córdova: ack hadleybeeman ←

14:55:50 <phila> hadleybeeman: I wanted to scroll back to talking about the metadata being conformant to a standard

Hadley Beeman: I wanted to scroll back to talking about the metadata being conformant to a standard [ Scribe Assist by Unknown phila ] ←

14:56:07 <phila> ... If I'm combining datasets, that's what I want to know. That then makes it easy to know what I can do with it

Unknown phila: ... If I'm combining datasets, that's what I want to know. That then makes it easy to know what I can do with it ←

14:56:15 <yaso> +1 to hadleybeeman

Yaso Córdova: +1 to hadleybeeman ←

14:56:21 <phila> ... So +1 for that being a user need

Unknown phila: ... So +1 for that being a user need ←

14:56:40 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: Okay, I appreciate that. I think we really need to open an issue here.

Riccardo Albertoni: Okay, I appreciate that. I think we really need to open an issue here. ←

14:56:57 <hadleybeeman> ...Phil's suggestion could be a good starting point.

...Phil's suggestion could be a good starting point. ←

14:57:10 <hadleybeeman> ...I could have an open action to me to include this new relation?

...I could have an open action to me to include this new relation? ←

14:57:20 <phila> [..] Riccardo thinks

Unknown phila: [..] Riccardo thinks ←

14:57:52 <trackbot> Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'Trackbot, please decide whether we should open an issue or an action'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Sorry, phila, I don't understand 'Trackbot, please decide whether we should open an issue or an action'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help. ←

14:58:17 <phila> q+ for 10 secs at the end

Unknown phila: q+ for 10 secs at the end ←

14:58:37 <hadleybeeman> action: Riccardo to send an email to discuss the suggestion to add the assertion that a dataset's metadata conforms to a standard (like GeoJSON)

ACTION: Riccardo to send an email to discuss the suggestion to add the assertion that a dataset's metadata conforms to a standard (like GeoJSON) ←

14:58:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Send an email to discuss the suggestion to add the assertion that a dataset's metadata conforms to a standard (like geojson) [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-11-20].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-219 - Send an email to discuss the suggestion to add the assertion that a dataset's metadata conforms to a standard (like geojson) [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2015-11-20]. ←

14:58:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> issue-188

Riccardo Albertoni: ISSUE-188 ←

14:58:44 <trackbot> issue-188 -- Section "Express the quality of a linkset" will be completed by examples coming from Riccardo's work on measuring the quality of linksets between SKOS concept schemes -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-188 -- Section "Express the quality of a linkset" will be completed by examples coming from Riccardo's work on measuring the quality of linksets between SKOS concept schemes -- open ←

14:58:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/188

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/188 ←

14:59:14 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: We have already added an example in the doc pertaining to linkset quality.

Riccardo Albertoni: We have already added an example in the doc pertaining to linkset quality. ←

14:59:19 <hadleybeeman> ...I want to close this issue

...I want to close this issue ←

14:59:32 <hadleybeeman> ...As it is written, it is misleading and doesn't make sense. And doesn't require more discussion.

...As it is written, it is misleading and doesn't make sense. And doesn't require more discussion. ←

14:59:45 <yaso> q?

Yaso Córdova: q? ←

14:59:49 <phila> If it's dealt with it's dealt with IMHO

Unknown phila: If it's dealt with it's dealt with IMHO ←

14:59:52 <hadleybeeman> ...I will add the missing part, as editorial note. Reminder that we have to add an example.

...I will add the missing part, as editorial note. Reminder that we have to add an example. ←

15:00:10 <hadleybeeman> yaso: Is everyone okay with closing this issue?

Yaso Córdova: Is everyone okay with closing this issue? ←

15:00:33 <hadleybeeman> yaso: I don't think we need a group decision to close this.

Yaso Córdova: I don't think we need a group decision to close this. ←

15:00:40 <hadleybeeman> riccardoAlbertoni: Yes. No group discussion is needed.

Riccardo Albertoni: Yes. No group discussion is needed. ←

15:00:48 <hadleybeeman> yaso: Thank you, riccardoAlbertoni for this update.

Yaso Córdova: Thank you, riccardoAlbertoni for this update. ←

15:00:48 <yaso> ack phila

Yaso Córdova: ack phila ←

15:00:48 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to discuss 10 secs at the end

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to discuss 10 secs at the end ←

15:00:49 <phila> -> http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/design/w3c-restyle/2016/sample What our final docs will look like (as of Jan 2016)

Unknown phila: -> http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/design/w3c-restyle/2016/sample What our final docs will look like (as of Jan 2016) ←

15:00:57 <hadleybeeman> topic: Any other business

4. Any other business

15:00:57 <yaso> close issue-188

Yaso Córdova: close ISSUE-188 ←

15:00:57 <trackbot> Closed issue-188.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-188. ←

15:01:10 <hadleybeeman> phila: You may have seen that we've been redesigning our document template.

Unknown phila: You may have seen that we've been redesigning our document template. ←

15:01:18 <hadleybeeman> ...This is a link to the new template, which comes in to force in Jan.

...This is a link to the new template, which comes in to force in Jan. ←

15:01:29 <hadleybeeman> ...The final version of this group's docs will look like this.

...The final version of this group's docs will look like this. ←

15:01:34 <peter_> present+ peter

Scribe problem: the name 'peter_' does not match any of the 9 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Eric Stephan Yaso Córdova Newton Calegari Eric Kauz Riccardo Albertoni Hadley Beeman Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown peter_: present+ peter ←

15:01:41 <hadleybeeman> ...Looking for comments on this new TR design?

...Looking for comments on this new TR design? ←

15:02:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> thank for the suggestions!

Riccardo Albertoni: thank for the suggestions! ←

15:02:28 <ericstephan> Okay bye everyone

Eric Stephan: Okay bye everyone ←

15:02:31 <laufer> bye all, nice wknd...

Unknown laufer: bye all, nice wknd... ←

15:02:31 <hadleybeeman> Yaso: [closes the meeting]

Yaso Córdova: [closes the meeting] ←

15:02:32 <phila> RRSAgent, dtraft minutes

Unknown phila: RRSAgent, dtraft minutes ←

15:02:32 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'dtraft minutes', phila.  Try /msg RRSAgent help

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I'm logging. I don't understand 'dtraft minutes', phila. Try /msg RRSAgent help ←

15:02:32 <Caroline> great design! :)

Unknown Caroline: great design! :) ←

15:02:35 <Caroline> Bye! tks

Unknown Caroline: Bye! tks ←

15:02:36 <peter_> bye

Unknown peter_: bye ←

15:02:38 <hadleybeeman> bye

bye ←

15:02:39 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes

Unknown phila: RRSAgent, draft minutes ←

15:02:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-minutes.html phila

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/13-dwbp-minutes.html phila ←

15:02:40 <BernadetteLoscio> bye! thanks!!!

Unknown BernadetteLoscio: bye! thanks!!! ←

15:02:50 <yaso> Bye! Thanks all

Yaso Córdova: Bye! Thanks all ←

15:03:02 <newton> bye!

Newton Calegari: bye! ←

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