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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 31 July 2015

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Annette Greiner, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Caroline Burle, Hadley Beeman, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Sumit Purohit, Yaso Córdova
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  1. accept last week's minutes link
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12:57:29 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/07/31-dwbp-irc

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12:57:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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12:57:33 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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12:57:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:34 <trackbot> Date: 31 July 2015
12:57:38 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150731 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150731 WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9

13:01:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi All!

Riccardo Albertoni: hi All!

13:02:05 <BernadetteLoscio> hello Riccardo!

Bernadette Farias Loscio: hello Riccardo!

13:02:53 <annette_g> present+ annette_g

Annette Greiner: present+ annette_g

13:02:53 <hadleybeeman> present+ hadleybeeman

Hadley Beeman: present+ hadleybeeman

13:02:57 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

Riccardo Albertoni: present+ RiccardoAlbertoni

13:03:14 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: present+ BernadetteLoscio

13:04:02 <yaso> Hi all. Today I'm only in irc channel

Yaso Córdova: Hi all. Today I'm only in irc channel

13:04:10 <hadleybeeman> hello yaso!

Hadley Beeman: hello yaso!

13:04:18 <yaso> Hi Hadley :-)

Yaso Córdova: Hi Hadley :-)

13:05:02 <Caroline> Present+ Caroline

Caroline Burle: Present+ Caroline

13:05:11 <phila> present+ phila

Phil Archer: present+ phila

13:05:44 <phila> regrets+ Laufer, Christophe, Bart, Carlos

Phil Archer: regrets+ Laufer, Christophe, Bart, Carlos

13:06:39 <hadleybeeman> regrets+ ericstephan

Hadley Beeman: regrets+ ericstephan

13:13:27 <hadleybeeman> scribe: annette_g

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13:13:33 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-24

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-07-24

13:13:52 <annette_g> PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes

PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes

13:13:57 <hadleybeeman> +0 (wasn't here)

Hadley Beeman: +0 (wasn't here)

13:14:04 <annette_g> +1

+1

13:14:05 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1

13:14:05 <Caroline> +1

Caroline Burle: +1

13:14:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:14:20 <BernadetteLoscio> i wasn't there

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i wasn't there

13:14:26 <annette_g> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes

RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes

13:14:31 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:14:41 <hadleybeeman> action-184?

Hadley Beeman: ACTION-184?

13:14:41 <trackbot> action-184 -- Peter Winstanley to Review the existing template and identify any additional fields that could be added to improve the bp -- due 2015-07-17 -- OPEN

Trackbot IRC Bot: ACTION-184 -- Peter Winstanley to Review the existing template and identify any additional fields that could be added to improve the bp -- due 2015-07-17 -- OPEN

13:14:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/184

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/184

13:15:19 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:15:27 <hadleybeeman> ack bern

Hadley Beeman: ack bern

13:17:10 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  Peter proposed a list of changes. What Bernadette proposed was a little different.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Peter proposed a list of changes. What Bernadette proposed was a little different.

13:17:40 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  since Peter's not here, how should we proceed?

Hadley Beeman: since Peter's not here, how should we proceed?

13:18:05 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  we can discuss in another meeting, continuing by email for now

Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can discuss in another meeting, continuing by email for now

13:18:31 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  would like to split it up by ones we can do and ones we can't

Hadley Beeman: would like to split it up by ones we can do and ones we can't

13:19:07 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  we would need to assign people to rewrite each BP

Hadley Beeman: we would need to assign people to rewrite each BP, which we could do

13:19:33 <hadleybeeman> s/rewrite each BP/rewrite each BP, which we could do
13:19:58 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  first we should find out whether he agrees. His idea is a little different from our context, so I'm not sure it's worth changing the template.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: first we should find out whether he agrees. His idea is a little different from our context, so I'm not sure it's worth changing the template.

13:20:19 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  should we continue by email and address at next call?

Hadley Beeman: should we continue by email and address at next call?

13:20:23 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes

13:20:40 <phila> Topic: Data Enrichment Document

1. Data Enrichment Document

13:20:40 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:20:40 <hadleybeeman>  http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/enrichment.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0145.html

Hadley Beeman: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/enrichment.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Jun/0145.html

13:20:44 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  data enrichment doc is up next

Hadley Beeman: data enrichment doc is up next

13:20:48 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

13:20:55 <hadleybeeman> scribe: hadleybeeman

(Scribe set to Hadley Beeman)

13:20:55 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:21:14 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio

ack BernadetteLoscio

13:21:41 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to discuss enrichment, because some people aren't on the call.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to discuss enrichment, because some people aren't on the call.

13:21:49 <hadleybeeman> ...Maybe better to discuss with Guisseppe, Adriano or Vagner.

...Maybe better to discuss with Guisseppe, Adriano or Vagner.

13:22:19 <hadleybeeman> ...The second draft was a misunderstanding. They wrote a best practice, and together with it they wrote a note to complement the text for data enrichment.  We haven't discussed the note with the group.

...The second draft was a misunderstanding. They wrote a best practice, and together with it they wrote a note to complement the text for data enrichment. We haven't discussed the note with the group.

13:22:31 <hadleybeeman> ...Now we need to discuss the complete note.

...Now we need to discuss the complete note.

13:22:40 <yaso> +q

Yaso Córdova: +q

13:22:50 <yaso> (Just on irc, sorry)

Yaso Córdova: (Just on irc, sorry)

13:23:02 <hadleybeeman> ...It's better to continue this discussion when those people are on the call.  Carol and I aren't able to explain what they did.

...It's better to continue this discussion when those people are on the call. Carol and I aren't able to explain what they did.

13:23:07 <Caroline> :)

Caroline Burle: :)

13:23:07 <hadleybeeman> ...annette_g, do you agree?

...annette_g, do you agree?

13:23:09 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: Yes

Annette Greiner: Yes

13:23:15 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso (by irc)

ack yaso (by irc)

13:23:17 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso

ack yaso

13:23:26 <yaso> Tks Hadley

Yaso Córdova: Tks Hadley

13:23:51 <yaso> Maybe it is a good idea to read the note and try to fit that in our use case model

Yaso Córdova: Maybe it is a good idea to read the note and try to fit that in our use case model

13:24:11 <yaso> Extract challenges to fit in the beat practice

Yaso Córdova: Extract challenges to fit in the beat practice

13:24:17 <hadleybeeman> phila: It would mean writing new uses

Phil Archer: It would mean writing new uses

13:24:31 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: There is a use case for this.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: There is a use case for this.

13:24:46 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: I mentioned one in the email, the openMSI one. I could come up with more.

Annette Greiner: I mentioned one in the email, the openMSI one. I could come up with more.

13:24:55 <yaso> I really think that  its not necessary to discuss what happened

Yaso Córdova: I really think that its not necessary to discuss what happened

13:25:10 <yaso> Just what we're going to do :-)

Yaso Córdova: Just what we're going to do :-)

13:25:11 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: We have to decide what we're going to do with the note.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: We have to decide what we're going to do with the note.

13:25:12 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio

13:25:21 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: and for that we need the authors?

Hadley Beeman: and for that we need the authors?

13:25:33 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes. Let's propose this for the next meeting and make sure that one of them is present.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes. Let's propose this for the next meeting and make sure that one of them is present.

13:25:53 <yaso> When I read the note I could think in at least 2 challengea

Yaso Córdova: When I read the note I could think in at least 2 challengea

13:26:08 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: So, Yaso, you want to add new challenges?

Hadley Beeman: So, Yaso, you want to add new challenges?

13:26:23 <yaso> Yes, I could do that

Yaso Córdova: Yes, I could do that

13:26:26 <hadleybeeman> ...from this enrichment note?

...from this enrichment note?

13:26:39 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Okay, that's something else to discuss then.

Hadley Beeman: Okay, that's something else to discuss then.

13:26:52 <hadleybeeman> ... Let's put this on the agenda then for the next best practices call.

... Let's put this on the agenda then for the next best practices call.

13:27:00 <hadleybeeman> ...Is everyone happy with that?

...Is everyone happy with that?

13:27:01 <annette_g> * yep

Annette Greiner: * yep

13:27:01 <yaso> Ok!

Yaso Córdova: Ok!

13:27:02 <hadleybeeman> BernadetteLoscio: Yes

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Yes

13:27:07 <yaso> Yes

Yaso Córdova: Yes

13:27:13 <annette_g> * I can scribe again

Annette Greiner: * I can scribe again

13:27:23 <hadleybeeman> scribe: annette_g

(Scribe set to Annette Greiner)

13:27:41 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  responding to comments

Hadley Beeman: responding to comments

13:27:52 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  what are our obligations?

Hadley Beeman: what are our obligations?

13:28:29 <annette_g> phila:  when a comment is received, we need to respond to it, but it's up to us how we organize that.

Phil Archer: when a comment is received, we need to respond to it, but it's up to us how we organize that.

13:28:55 <annette_g> phila:  there is drudgery involved in addressing multiple comments

Phil Archer: there is drudgery involved in addressing multiple comments

13:30:16 <annette_g> phila:  tracker allows us to record status of each comment. resolve yes, resolve no, or resolve partial. Editors copy and paste comments into the tracker. Chairs schedule time to discuss it. Editors then writie to the commentator with the group's conclusion.

Phil Archer: tracker allows us to record status of each comment. resolve yes, resolve no, or resolve partial. Editors copy and paste comments into the tracker. Chairs schedule time to discuss it. Editors then writie to the commentator with the group's conclusion.

13:30:27 <annette_g> Either yes we agree, or no and the reason why.

Either yes we agree, or no and the reason why.

13:30:57 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  chairs and editors together take the rec to the director to show that we've addressed everything.

Hadley Beeman: chairs and editors together take the rec to the director to show that we've addressed everything.

13:31:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:31:11 <annette_g> we have to answer for every comment.

we have to answer for every comment.

13:31:14 <hadleybeeman> ack bern

Hadley Beeman: ack bern

13:31:43 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  question: should we encode in the tracker just comments from external people, or also people from the working group?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: question: should we encode in the tracker just comments from external people, or also people from the working group?

13:32:21 <annette_g> phila:  usually it's obvious if somebody in the group writes an email with itemized comments. We treat that in the same way as an external one.

Phil Archer: usually it's obvious if somebody in the group writes an email with itemized comments. We treat that in the same way as an external one.

13:33:26 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  comments from Erik Wilde, not sure how to have the conversation by mail.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: comments from Erik Wilde, not sure how to have the conversation by mail.

13:33:39 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  link to the email?

Hadley Beeman: link to the email?

13:33:39 <BernadetteLoscio> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Jul/0004.html

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Jul/0004.html

13:34:28 <annette_g> phila:  you say you're going to discuss this with the WG, so it's still open.

Phil Archer: you say you're going to discuss this with the WG, so it's still open.

13:34:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  so , in this case, I don't need to write it in the tracker?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: so , in this case, I don't need to write it in the tracker?

13:34:55 <annette_g> phila:  whatever you think is appropriate

Phil Archer: whatever you think is appropriate

13:35:18 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I tried to get proposals from him, but sometimes it was hard to understand what he is saying.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I tried to get proposals from him, but sometimes it was hard to understand what he is saying.

13:35:20 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:35:29 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  that can be hard

Hadley Beeman: that can be hard

13:35:48 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  It's because I don't have enough knowledge about the subject.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: It's because I don't have enough knowledge about the subject.

13:36:06 <annette_g> … I need some help, and discussion with the group can help that.

… I need some help, and discussion with the group can help that.

13:36:11 <annette_g> * I think I understand

* I think I understand

13:37:22 <annette_g> annette_g:  conneg is content negotiation

Annette Greiner: conneg is content negotiation

13:38:05 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  he's happy if we include the info, doesn't matter where

Bernadette Farias Loscio: he's happy if we include the info, doesn't matter where

13:38:27 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  then I think we should put the changes in some place and then get his feedback on that

Hadley Beeman: then I think we should put the changes in some place and then get his feedback on that

13:38:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I need to change one of the BPs and then get feedback from the group

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I need to change one of the BPs and then get feedback from the group

13:38:57 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:39:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I sent a message to the group about which issues to close for the next draft

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I sent a message to the group about which issues to close for the next draft

13:39:43 <hadleybeeman> ack annette_g

Hadley Beeman: ack annette_g

13:39:45 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I'm having trouble getting the working group to respond

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm having trouble getting the working group to respond

13:40:27 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:41:07 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio

Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:41:26 <annette_g> annette_g:  we should address being more "webby" too

Annette Greiner: we should address being more "webby" too

13:41:34 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: I want to make sure his overarching message isn't lost. Also, if we're going to ask people like Roy Fielding, we should make our REST work stronger.

Annette Greiner: I want to make sure his overarching message isn't lost. Also, if we're going to ask people like Roy Fielding, we should make our REST work stronger. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:41:46 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  he mentions hypertext and hypermedia

Bernadette Farias Loscio: he mentions hypertext and hypermedia

13:42:17 <annette_g> aren't we doing that already by being on the web

aren't we doing that already by being on the web

13:42:18 <annette_g> ?

?

13:42:30 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:42:48 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  is talking about being on the web already about hypertext?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: is talking about being on the web already about hypertext?

13:42:58 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+

13:43:13 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  but then he talked about not beign about specific technologies

Bernadette Farias Loscio: but then he talked about not beign about specific technologies

13:43:25 <hadleybeeman> ack phila

Hadley Beeman: ack phila

13:43:27 <annette_g> q+

q+

13:44:08 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0511_phila_ukds/usb-metadata2

Phil Archer: http://www.w3.org/2015/Talks/0511_phila_ukds/usb-metadata2

13:44:26 <phila> https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/625741947777482752

Phil Archer: https://twitter.com/philarcher1/status/625741947777482752

13:44:27 <annette_g> phila:  this is a picture I use in lots of talks

Phil Archer: this is a picture I use in lots of talks

13:45:07 <annette_g> sticking a CSV file on a data portal is not putting data on the web, it's putting data on the internet.

sticking a CSV file on a data portal is not putting data on the web, it's putting data on the internet.

13:45:34 <annette_g> If there's no connection between what's in the file and the rest of the web, you might as well just put it on a USB stick.

If there's no connection between what's in the file and the rest of the web, you might as well just put it on a USB stick.

13:45:54 <annette_g> the links are really important

the links are really important

13:46:03 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:46:14 <annette_g> for me, the web of data is accessed by querying the web directly

Phil Archer: for me, the web of data is accessed by querying the web directly

13:46:26 <hadleybeeman> ack yaso

Hadley Beeman: ack yaso

13:46:41 <annette_g> s/for me/phila: for me/
13:46:53 <yaso> Tks

Yaso Córdova: Tks

13:46:53 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  yaso?

Hadley Beeman: yaso?

13:47:15 <yaso> Just to say that I'm working on a proposal for solving this,

Yaso Córdova: Just to say that I'm working on a proposal for solving this,

13:47:43 <yaso> I'll send it to the group by mal till wed next week

Yaso Córdova: I'll send it to the group by mal till wed next week

13:47:53 <hadleybeeman> sounds great, yaso! we'll be keen to see it.

Hadley Beeman: sounds great, yaso! we'll be keen to see it.

13:47:54 <hadleybeeman> ack annette_g

Hadley Beeman: ack annette_g

13:47:57 <annette_g> * sweet!

* sweet!

13:48:16 <hadleybeeman> annette_g: on the question of hypermedia (in the context of an API) — I'd like to see it added into the document.

Annette Greiner: on the question of hypermedia (in the context of an API) — I'd like to see it added into the document. [ Scribe Assist by Hadley Beeman ]

13:48:34 <yaso> Agree, Annette

Yaso Córdova: Agree, Annette

13:48:41 <hadleybeeman> ...To me, that means more than an API you can query. It means an API that's returning a link to you in the response, as opposed to just data.

Hadley Beeman: ...To me, that means more than an API you can query. It means an API that's returning a link to you in the response, as opposed to just data.

13:49:08 <hadleybeeman> ...I went to an API conference a year ago; much discussion on this. I heard it as THE best practice of the moment. It'd be good to address it.

Hadley Beeman: ...I went to an API conference a year ago; much discussion on this. I heard it as THE best practice of the moment. It'd be good to address it.

13:49:11 <phila> +1 to annette_g

Phil Archer: +1 to annette_g

13:49:13 <hadleybeeman> ack BernadetteLoscio

Hadley Beeman: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:49:32 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  could you write a BP about this?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: could you write a BP about this?

13:49:40 <annette_g> annette_g:  yes

Annette Greiner: yes

13:49:48 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  can you work with Yaso?

Hadley Beeman: can you work with Yaso?

13:50:03 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  about the API think in particular

Bernadette Farias Loscio: about the API think in particular

13:50:06 <phila> q+ to reminisce about TPAC

Phil Archer: q+ to reminisce about TPAC

13:50:22 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  I agree that we should have links

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I agree that we should have links

13:50:42 <annette_g> … should we have a new BP about linking data?

… should we have a new BP about linking data?

13:51:05 <annette_g> … we can propose something that won't be technology specific

… we can propose something that won't be technology specific

13:51:24 <annette_g> … I'd like to have some help and ideas on how to do this.

… I'd like to have some help and ideas on how to do this.

13:51:39 <annette_g> phila:  yes, you need help and you're not getting much of it right now.

Phil Archer: yes, you need help and you're not getting much of it right now.

13:51:39 <hadleybeeman> ack phila

Hadley Beeman: ack phila

13:51:40 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to reminisce about TPAC

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to reminisce about TPAC

13:52:37 <annette_g> phila:  at TPAC, people were saying this isn't the data on the web best practices group, it's the open data best practices group. They were raising exactly what we're talking about here. But the question is do we have the capacity to do it?

Phil Archer: at TPAC, people were saying this isn't the data on the web best practices group, it's the open data best practices group. They were raising exactly what we're talking about here. But the question is do we have the capacity to do it?

13:52:55 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phila

Hadley Beeman: +1 to phila

13:53:01 <annette_g> …as the doc is evolving, we're getting asked to think more about this.

…as the doc is evolving, we're getting asked to think more about this.

13:53:19 <hadleybeeman> (especially about this being exciting, moving beyond CSVs in CKAN instances)

Hadley Beeman: (especially about this being exciting, moving beyond CSVs in CKAN instances)

13:53:22 <annette_g> … we need to be careful that we don't bite off more than we can chew

… we need to be careful that we don't bite off more than we can chew

13:54:02 <annette_g> phila:  It is exactly one year from today that this group is supposed to expire.

Phil Archer: It is exactly one year from today that this group is supposed to expire.

13:54:25 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  summarizes

Hadley Beeman: summarizes

13:55:07 <BernadetteLoscio_> I'm sorry. I lost connection for a while

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I'm sorry. I lost connection for a while

13:55:11 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  seconds the point that we should at least consider the points about linked data

Hadley Beeman: seconds the point that we should at least consider the points about linked data

13:55:22 <phila> q+ to ask hadleybeeman something about this

Phil Archer: q+ to ask hadleybeeman something about this

13:55:34 <annette_g> … BernadetteLoscio, are you happy or do you want more?

… BernadetteLoscio, are you happy or do you want more?

13:56:02 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio:  Caroline sent a message about a table of who will address what issues

Bernadette Farias Loscio: Caroline sent a message about a table of who will address what issues

13:56:05 <hadleybeeman> ack phila

Hadley Beeman: ack phila

13:56:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask hadleybeeman something about this

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to ask hadleybeeman something about this

13:56:28 <Caroline> here is the link that has the table to be filled in by group's participants

Caroline Burle: here is the link that has the table to be filled in by group's participants

13:57:02 <SumitPurohit> +1 phila

Sumit Purohit: +1 phila

13:57:06 <Caroline> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft

Caroline Burle: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/BP_Document_3rd_Draft

13:57:14 <annette_g> phila:  hadleybeeman, some years ago we had an organization called LInked Gov. Can we address linking without talking about RDF? Can we think in terms of linking data without talking about LInked Data (™)?

Phil Archer: hadleybeeman, some years ago you established an organization called LInked Gov. Can we address linking without talking about RDF? Can we think in terms of linking data without talking about LInked Data (™)?

13:57:34 <phila> s/we had/you established/
13:58:16 <SumitPurohit> +q

Sumit Purohit: +q

13:58:26 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  my worry is that RDF and JSON-LD each has its own community, and many parts of the world don't respond well to that.

Hadley Beeman: my worry is that RDF and JSON-LD each has its own community, and many parts of the world don't respond well to that.

13:58:43 <hadleybeeman> ack sumit

Hadley Beeman: ack sumit

13:59:25 <annette_g> SumitPurohit:  there is a perception that RDF and JSON-LD are mutually exclusive, but as I see it JSON-LD is one form of RDF.

Sumit Purohit: there is a perception that RDF and JSON-LD are mutually exclusive, but as I see it JSON-LD is one form of RDF.

13:59:27 <phila> present+ Sumit

Phil Archer: present+ Sumit

14:00:08 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  that's something we would probably find people on both sides of the argument

Hadley Beeman: that's something we would probably find people on both sides of the argument

14:00:10 <phila> The notion that JSON-LD and RDF are different is one that can be helpful, even though it is objectively unrtue.

Phil Archer: The notion that JSON-LD and RDF are different is one that can be helpful, even though it is objectively unrtue.

14:00:43 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  RDF is relatively more stable.

Hadley Beeman: RDF is relatively more stable.

14:00:54 <phila> W3C has no plans to update RDF for the next 10 years or so, says the Data Activity Lead ;-)

Phil Archer: W3C has no plans to update RDF for the next 10 years or so, says the Data Activity Lead ;-)

14:01:14 <SumitPurohit> :-)

Sumit Purohit: :-)

14:01:20 <annette_g> … I wouldn't want to make that more difficult with what we write.

… I wouldn't want to make that more difficult with what we write.

14:01:54 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  we are out of time. closing comments?

Hadley Beeman: we are out of time. closing comments?

14:02:36 <annette_g> BernadetteLoscio_:  it was really nice that we had this discussion about how to deal with some really important questions. I hope we can also address the open issues.

Bernadette Farias Loscio: it was really nice that we had this discussion about how to deal with some really important questions. I hope we can also address the open issues.

14:02:48 <Caroline> +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ :)

Caroline Burle: +1 to BernadetteLoscio_ :)

14:02:55 <phila> present+ Makx

Phil Archer: present+ Makx

14:03:08 <annette_g> * ooh, I have a question for Yaso

* ooh, I have a question for Yaso

14:03:11 <Caroline> Thank you, hadleybeeman!

Caroline Burle: Thank you, hadleybeeman!

14:03:25 <annette_g> hadleybeeman:  we adjust the agenda on Wednesdays

Hadley Beeman: we adjust the agenda on Wednesdays

14:03:32 <annette_g> yaso, are you still there?

yaso, are you still there?

14:03:33 <RiccardoAlbertoni> thank you all

Riccardo Albertoni: thank you all

14:03:42 <phila> present+ AdrianoC

Phil Archer: present+ AdrianoC



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