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12:59:19 <hadleybeeman> Understandably. Tom went last year — sounded like great fun.
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12:59:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:59:22 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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12:59:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:59:23 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2015
12:59:30 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
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12:59:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller], [IPcaller.a]
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12:59:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
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12:59:41 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
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12:59:46 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aaaa
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12:59:46 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller.a] is me ←
12:59:48 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
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12:59:53 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
12:59:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, +1.509.554.aaaa
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12:59:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
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13:00:12 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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13:00:13 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
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13:00:22 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:00:22 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
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13:00:54 <antoine> zakim, who is noisy?
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13:01:08 <Zakim> antoine, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.509.554.aaaa (19%)
Zakim IRC Bot: antoine, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.509.554.aaaa (19%) ←
13:01:30 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aaaa is ericstephan
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13:01:30 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
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13:01:42 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
13:01:43 <hadleybeeman> :)
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13:01:44 <Zakim> + +1.617.646.aabb
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13:01:45 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150522
13:01:49 <ericstephan> thank you hadleybeeman
Eric Stephan: thank you hadleybeeman ←
13:01:49 <ericstephan> Guest: Newton Calegari
13:01:54 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
13:01:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, ericstephan, antoine, HadleyBeeman, +1.617.646.aabb
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13:01:55 <hadleybeeman> no problem!
Hadley Beeman: no problem! ←
13:01:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see riccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
13:01:57 <Zakim> + +39.349.096.aacc
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13:02:10 <antoine> ô chairs, I have a question: is it possible to have the DQV part before the DUV one?
Antoine Isaac: ô chairs, I have a question: is it possible to have the DQV part before the DUV one? ←
13:02:16 <antoine> I have to leave early
Antoine Isaac: I have to leave early ←
13:02:36 <Zakim> +Caroline
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13:02:57 <riccardoAlbertoni> zakim, +39.349.096.aacc is me
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13:02:57 <Zakim> +riccardoAlbertoni; got it
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13:03:10 <deirdrelee> zakim, who is here?
Deirdre Lee: zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see deirdrelee, ericstephan, antoine, HadleyBeeman, +1.617.646.aabb, riccardoAlbertoni, Caroline
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13:03:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see SumitPurohit, riccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, Zakim, RRSAgent, deirdrelee, Caroline, BernadetteLoscio, antoine, phila, rhiaro, hadleybeeman, trackbot ←
13:03:41 <hadleybeeman> zakim, aabb is sumit
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13:03:42 <Zakim> +sumit; got it
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13:03:47 <Zakim> + +1.510.384.aadd
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13:04:04 <deirdrelee> zakim, pick a victim
Deirdre Lee: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:04:04 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose sumit
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose sumit ←
13:04:04 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:04:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose sumit
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose sumit ←
13:04:43 <Caroline> I can scribe
Caroline Burle: I can scribe ←
13:04:52 <Caroline> scribe: Caroline
(Scribe set to Caroline Burle)
13:05:03 <ericstephan> Its been a lot of late nights for the DUV team this week :-)
Eric Stephan: Its been a lot of late nights for the DUV team this week :-) ←
13:05:17 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150522
13:05:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> who is noisy?
Riccardo Albertoni: who is noisy? ←
13:05:32 <antoine> same for DQV team :-)
Antoine Isaac: same for DQV team :-) ←
13:05:39 <ericstephan> :-) antoine
Eric Stephan: :-) antoine ←
13:05:43 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-15
PROPOSED: Approve last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-15 ←
13:05:45 <hadleybeeman> +0 (wasn't here last week)
Hadley Beeman: +0 (wasn't here last week) ←
13:05:48 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:05:49 <antoine> +0
Antoine Isaac: +0 ←
13:05:49 <SumitPurohit> +1
Sumit Purohit: +1 ←
13:05:52 <deirdrelee> +0
Deirdre Lee: +0 ←
13:05:58 <laufer> +1
Carlos Laufer: +1 ←
13:06:01 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:06:12 <Caroline> +0 (wans't here last week)
+0 (wans't here last week) ←
13:06:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:06:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:06:22 <Caroline> RESOLVED: last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-15
RESOLVED: last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-05-15 ←
13:06:30 <laufer> Zakim, IPcaller is me
Carlos Laufer: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:06:30 <Zakim> +laufer; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←
13:06:37 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
13:06:37 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
13:07:01 <deirdrelee> Topic: DQV
13:07:07 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
Antoine Isaac: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
13:07:07 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we will have the update from antoine about data quality vocabulary
Deirdre Lee: we will have the update from antoine about data quality vocabulary ←
13:07:17 <Caroline> antoine: we put together the first version
Antoine Isaac: we put together the first version ←
13:07:26 <Caroline> ... it is on this link http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
... it is on this link http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html ←
13:07:36 <Caroline> ... our focus has been mostly on ??
... our focus has been mostly on the model ←
13:07:58 <Caroline> ... we propose that the group have a look at it
... we propose that the group have a look at it ←
13:08:01 <antoine> s/??/the model
13:08:17 <Caroline> ... some names and properties are still being developed
... some names and properties are still being developed ←
13:08:21 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/??/Concept Graph
13:08:34 <Caroline> ... we would like the group put attention on this
... we would like the group put attention on this ←
13:08:57 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:09:07 <Caroline> ... please let me know if you have any question
... please let me know if you have any question ←
13:09:34 <Caroline> deirdrelee: we can go into the details next week
Deirdre Lee: we can go into the details next week ←
13:09:48 <Caroline> antoine: if someone has any comments about the model
Antoine Isaac: if someone has any comments about the model ←
13:10:00 <antoine> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule
Antoine Isaac: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule ←
13:10:05 <Caroline> ... the discussion on the issues would be better to have it on the mailing list or next week
... the discussion on the issues would be better to have it on the mailing list or next week ←
13:10:16 <Caroline> ... we will be working a lot on the following week
... we will be working a lot on the following week ←
13:10:40 <Caroline> ... we are keeping the originally schedule
... we are keeping the originally schedule ←
13:11:04 <Caroline> ... the question about the schedule would be when the group would like to have the first published working draft
... the question about the schedule would be when the group would like to have the first published working draft ←
13:11:35 <Caroline> ... I understood that the group wants to have a first public working draft next week. Is that correct?
... I understood that the group wants to have a first public working draft next week. Is that correct? ←
13:12:03 <Caroline> deirdrelee: from my side the schedule is realistic, we shouldn't try to have anything before that
Deirdre Lee: from my side the schedule is realistic, we shouldn't try to have anything before that ←
13:12:06 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:12:12 <Caroline> ... let's keep this shedule
... let's keep this shedule ←
13:12:35 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:12:47 <Caroline> antoine: I think we are going on the right direction, but it would be great to have some feedback
Antoine Isaac: I think we are going on the right direction, but it would be great to have some feedback ←
13:13:09 <Caroline> antoine: I think we may release something before june
Antoine Isaac: I think we may release something before june ←
13:13:13 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
Deirdre Lee: ack annette_g ←
13:13:41 <Caroline> annette_g: are you breaking it or is it one thing?
Annette Greiner: are you breaking it or is it one thing? ←
13:13:48 <Caroline> antoine: I don't know about breaking it
Antoine Isaac: I don't know about breaking it ←
13:14:01 <Caroline> ... it was not meant to be a ??
... it was not meant to be a sub-heading ←
13:14:55 <Caroline> ... that kind of feedback would be relevant and would help us to mature to a first public working draft
... that kind of feedback would be relevant and would help us to mature to a first public working draft ←
13:15:02 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:15:12 <Caroline> ... and the group could help us to decide how to split it
... and the group could help us to decide how to split it ←
13:15:22 <antoine> s/??/sub-heading
13:16:20 <Caroline> deirdrelee: the last final version should be available for a week for the group before publishing the first public working draft
Deirdre Lee: the last final version should be available for a week for the group before publishing the first public working draft ←
13:16:29 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:16:32 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
Deirdre Lee: ack ericstephan ←
13:16:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to keep the current schedule if it is no vital to rush
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to keep the current schedule if it is no vital to rush ←
13:16:41 <Caroline> ericstephan: antoine it looks a gret job!
Eric Stephan: antoine it looks a gret job! ←
13:16:56 <Caroline> ... both vocabularies are in development
... both vocabularies are in development ←
13:17:12 <Caroline> ... are you planning in putting any effort to the data usage vocabulary?
... are you planning in putting any effort to the data usage vocabulary? ←
13:17:32 <Caroline> ... I want to make sure we are complementing each other's documetn
... I want to make sure we are complementing each other's document ←
13:17:43 <Caroline> s/documetn/document
13:18:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:Feedback? (Issue-165).
Riccardo Albertoni: What is the relation between duv:Feedback and dqv:Feedback? (ISSUE-165). ←
13:18:20 <Caroline> antoine: maybe we should have a general issue in both documents
Antoine Isaac: maybe we should have a general issue in both documents ←
13:18:37 <Caroline> ... saying that we prefere first adress our own requirements
... saying that we prefere first adress our own requirements ←
13:18:45 <Caroline> ericstephan: I think this would workd
Eric Stephan: I think this would work ←
13:18:51 <Caroline> s/workd/work
13:19:11 <deirdrelee> Topic: Review of open external comments
13:19:18 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/?status=open
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/?status=open ←
13:19:40 <Caroline> deirdrelee: during f2f we closed some of them and there are a couple of them that are still open
Deirdre Lee: during f2f we closed some of them and there are a couple of them that are still open ←
13:19:57 <Caroline> ... would be great to try to close some of them
... would be great to try to close some of them ←
13:19:57 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
13:20:23 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
13:20:52 <deirdrelee> Caroline: we have beenworking on the external comments, we closed some on the tracker that have been resolved
Caroline Burle: we have beenworking on the external comments, we closed some on the tracker that have been resolved [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:20:58 <deirdrelee> ...and we also added some more
Deirdre Lee: ...and we also added some more ←
13:21:18 <antoine> q+ about process
Antoine Isaac: q+ about process ←
13:21:44 <deirdrelee> ...there are 4 or 5 from Maurino, but we haven't had a chance to look at them yet
Deirdre Lee: ...there are 4 or 5 from Maurino, but we haven't had a chance to look at them yet ←
13:21:49 <deirdrelee> ...should we look at them now?
Deirdre Lee: ...should we look at them now? ←
13:22:04 <Caroline> antoine: that makes me think about a general process question
Antoine Isaac: that makes me think about a general process question ←
13:22:10 <deirdrelee> antoine: you said you have started to close commnets, makes me think about the process
Antoine Isaac: you said you have started to close commnets, makes me think about the process [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:22:18 <Caroline> ... are we closing comments without asking the commenters?
... are we closing comments without asking the commenters? ←
13:22:37 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:22:59 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
13:23:06 <phila> Well,
Phil Archer: Well, ←
13:23:07 <deirdrelee> ack about, process,
Deirdre Lee: ack about, process, ←
13:23:11 <antoine> are we closing comments without asking commenters if they're happy with the resolution
Antoine Isaac: are we closing comments without asking commenters if they're happy with the resolution ←
13:23:17 <phila> You need to reply to each comment
Phil Archer: You need to reply to each comment ←
13:23:22 <antoine> (that's the question, Phil)
Antoine Isaac: (that's the question, Phil) ←
13:23:23 <phila> And then see if the commenter is happy
Phil Archer: And then see if the commenter is happy ←
13:23:32 <hadleybeeman> q- about
Hadley Beeman: q- about ←
13:23:32 <phila> If so, then you can close
Phil Archer: If so, then you can close ←
13:23:36 <hadleybeeman> q- process
Hadley Beeman: q- process ←
13:23:37 <phila> Otehrwise it's pending
Phil Archer: Otehrwise it's pending ←
13:23:43 <phila> But...
Phil Archer: But... ←
13:23:51 <hadleybeeman> q+ antoine to talk about process
Hadley Beeman: q+ antoine to talk about process ←
13:23:54 <phila> if you don't get a reply at all after a while, then you close
Phil Archer: if you don't get a reply at all after a while, then you close ←
13:23:57 <deirdrelee> Caroline: this is what we've been doing until now. we change according to the comment. if we didn't know about how to address comment, we wrote to group
Caroline Burle: this is what we've been doing until now. we change according to the comment. if we didn't know about how to address comment, we wrote to group [ Scribe Assist by Deirdre Lee ] ←
13:24:12 <deirdrelee> ...after changing it we responded to the commenter
Deirdre Lee: ...after changing it we responded to the commenter ←
13:24:37 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
13:25:35 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:25:38 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
13:25:38 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it ←
13:25:39 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:25:47 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:25:47 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:26:22 <Caroline> we are actually interacting with the commenters :)
we are actually interacting with the commenters :) ←
13:26:37 <Caroline> yes!
yes! ←
13:26:43 <Caroline> we are copying the mailing list
we are copying the mailing list ←
13:26:55 <antoine> ok great!
Antoine Isaac: ok great! ←
13:27:04 <Caroline> :)
:) ←
13:27:50 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3034
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150224/3034 ←
13:28:12 <BernadetteLoscio> +q
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +q ←
13:28:35 <antoine> q-
Antoine Isaac: q- ←
13:29:28 <BernadetteLoscio> to talk about the documents
Bernadette Farias Loscio: to talk about the documents ←
13:29:30 <BernadetteLoscio> ops
Bernadette Farias Loscio: ops ←
13:29:32 <BernadetteLoscio> comments
Bernadette Farias Loscio: comments ←
13:29:43 <BernadetteLoscio> please.. let me talk :)
Bernadette Farias Loscio: please.. let me talk :) ←
13:29:59 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
13:30:07 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:30:55 <deirdrelee> Topic: Discussion on Data Vocabularies section
13:31:11 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166
Deirdre Lee: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/166 ←
13:32:12 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I think the vocabulary section could stay on the document, but we should talk about the scope of it
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think the vocabulary section could stay on the document, but we should talk about the scope of it ←
13:32:35 <deirdrelee> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataVocabularies
Deirdre Lee: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataVocabularies ←
13:32:48 <Caroline> ... the data vocabulary section is updated on github
... the data vocabulary section is updated on github ←
13:33:21 <deirdrelee> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVocabularies
Deirdre Lee: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#dataVocabularies ←
13:33:29 <Caroline> ... it is with BPs from using vocabularies, not for creating them
... it is with BPs from using vocabularies, not for creating them ←
13:33:31 <BernadetteLoscio> yes
Bernadette Farias Loscio: yes ←
13:33:44 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:33:53 <yaso> zakim, Caroline has yaso
Yaso Córdova: zakim, Caroline has yaso ←
13:33:53 <Zakim> +yaso; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it ←
13:34:08 <Caroline> ... I removed the BPs that had data voncabulary creation
... I removed the BPs that had data voncabulary creation ←
13:34:13 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:34:22 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:34:43 <Caroline> antoine: I would like to have a disclaimer with my envolvment with this discussion
Antoine Isaac: I would like to have a disclaimer with my envolvment with this discussion ←
13:35:11 <Caroline> ... when it started I wasn't convinced to write a lot of things, but then I was convinced to write them
... when it started I wasn't convinced to write a lot of things, but then I was convinced to write them ←
13:35:36 <Caroline> ... that being said, about creation
... that being said, about creation ←
13:35:53 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:36:07 <Caroline> ... when I have to choose vocabularies to reuse is the same process to create vocabulary
... when I have to choose vocabularies to reuse is the same process to create vocabulary ←
13:36:16 <Caroline> ... I use the same criteria
... I use the same criteria ←
13:36:27 <Caroline> ... I find a litle bit dificult to separate it
... I find a litle bit dificult to separate it ←
13:36:43 <Caroline> ... I am wondering because our audience include dataset publishers
... I am wondering because our audience include dataset publishers ←
13:37:00 <Caroline> ... I agree that BPs on reusing vocabularies should be ??
... I agree that BPs on reusing vocabularies should be first and foremost ←
13:37:11 <antoine> s/??/first and foremost
13:37:20 <Caroline> ... I would be keen on adding vocabularies for creating if we decide so
... I would be keen on adding vocabularies for creating if we decide so ←
13:37:43 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I understand that the general quesiton would be reusing Vs creating it
Deirdre Lee: I understand that the general quesiton would be reusing Vs creating it ←
13:38:21 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I can try
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I can try ←
13:38:29 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:38:42 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:38:42 <Caroline> ... we have a BP that says the vocabulary should be clearly documented
... we have a BP that says the vocabulary should be clearly documented ←
13:38:55 <Caroline> ... another that vocabulary should be open
... another that vocabulary should be open ←
13:39:05 <Caroline> ... and another one about vocabulary versioning
... and another one about vocabulary versioning ←
13:39:18 <Caroline> ... this last one is similar of dataset versioning
... this last one is similar of dataset versioning ←
13:39:28 <Caroline> ... I think it is weird if we duplicate it
... I think them is weird if we duplicate them ←
13:39:32 <Caroline> s/it/them
13:39:51 <Caroline> ... I am not sure if the versioning process is different or it is the same
... I am not sure if the versioning process is different or it is the same ←
13:40:16 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:40:17 <Caroline> ... sharing vocabularies in an open way is more specific to vocabularies
... sharing vocabularies in an open way is more specific to vocabularies ←
13:40:33 <Caroline> ... In my opinion, this is not enough to say how to create a vocabulary
... In my opinion, this is not enough to say how to create a vocabulary ←
13:40:52 <Caroline> ... because creating a vocabulary, ontology, is a very complex task
... because creating a vocabulary, ontology, is a very complex task ←
13:41:12 <Caroline> ... I think this is not enough to say how to create a vocabulary
... I think this is not enough to say how to create a vocabulary ←
13:41:38 <Caroline> ... in the end is missing a lot. If we are going to write BPs to create vocabularies, we need to detail it
... in the end is missing a lot. If we are going to write BPs to create vocabularies, we need to detail it ←
13:41:47 <Caroline> ... we must go deeper if we are doing it
... we must go deeper if we are doing it ←
13:41:49 <deirdrelee> ack antoine
Deirdre Lee: ack antoine ←
13:42:16 <Caroline> antoine: I would favor breaking down the discussions on each BP
Antoine Isaac: I would favor breaking down the discussions on each BP ←
13:42:26 <Caroline> ... I will just reaction on the last one
... I will just reaction on the last one ←
13:42:37 <Caroline> ... the BP shouldn't say how to do things
... the BP shouldn't say how to do things ←
13:42:59 <Caroline> ... what the last BP was trying to say is that people don't need to come with complex vocabularies
... what the last BP was trying to say is that people don't need to come with complex vocabularies ←
13:43:18 <Caroline> ... for example the BP on licensing data, it says ??
... for example the BP on licensing data, it says that there should be a license and not gives the detail on representing every possible contract ←
13:43:34 <Caroline> ... I will not try to have this kind of approach for vocabularies as well
... I will not try to have this kind of approach for vocabularies as well ←
13:43:50 <Caroline> deirdrelee: I agree with antoine that it might be useful to talk about each BP
Deirdre Lee: I agree with antoine that it might be useful to talk about each BP ←
13:43:55 <Caroline> ... on the mailing list
... on the mailing list ←
13:43:58 <antoine> s/??/that there should be a license and not gives the detail on representing every possible contract
13:44:06 <Caroline> ... to focus on each BP
... to focus on each BP ←
13:44:29 <Caroline> ... what BernadetteLoscio said reminds me on the discussion that we had ealier about data and metadata
... what BernadetteLoscio said reminds me on the discussion that we had ealier about data and metadata ←
13:44:46 <Caroline> ... if we look at vocabularies, the discussion is similar
... if we look at vocabularies, the discussion is similar ←
13:45:08 <antoine> deirdrelee++ yes it is the same discussion that we had about requirements. I'm not agains revisting it, but we need serious arguments to change the position we took then
Antoine Isaac: deirdrelee++ yes it is the same discussion that we had about requirements. I'm not agains revisting it, but we need serious arguments to change the position we took then ←
13:45:35 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
13:45:36 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we can continue this discussion by email
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we can continue this discussion by email ←
13:46:31 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:46:42 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:46:50 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:46:50 <Caroline> deirdrelee: because of the BP document is in a mature stage, should make more sense that we remove it? removing a BP at this stage is a major thing
Deirdre Lee: because of the BP document is in a mature stage, should make more sense that we remove it? removing a BP at this stage is a major thing ←
13:46:59 <Caroline> ... we would have to have an agreement
... we would have to have an agreement ←
13:47:11 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
Deirdre Lee: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:47:28 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: we are working on the version on the github, we would not remove the BP without the agreement of the group
Bernadette Farias Loscio: we are working on the version on the github, we would not remove the BP without the agreement of the group ←
13:47:46 <Caroline> ... we will keep the discussion and make a decision together
... we will keep the discussion and make a decision together ←
13:47:47 <deirdrelee> Topic: Use of normative statements and rating system
13:48:31 <Zakim> -antoine
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13:48:35 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:49:20 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: about the RFCs, I agree with annette_g that we could remove it
Bernadette Farias Loscio: about the RFCs, I agree with annette_g that we could remove it ←
13:49:34 <Caroline> ... other BPs don't use this kind of terms
... other BPs don't use this kind of terms ←
13:49:45 <Caroline> ... my concern is if we are using it in a proper way
... my concern is if we are using it in a proper way ←
13:50:17 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:50:36 <Caroline> deirdrelee: what do other people think?
Deirdre Lee: what do other people think? ←
13:50:42 <Caroline> q+
q+ ←
13:50:44 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:51:01 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline
Deirdre Lee: ack Caroline ←
13:51:45 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me ←
13:51:45 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
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13:51:49 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:52:00 <Caroline> laufer: I have mixing feelings about this
Carlos Laufer: I have mixing feelings about this ←
13:52:19 <Caroline> ... if we don't use the RFC we must have a written system
... if we don't use the RFC we must have a rating system ←
13:52:38 <annette_g> +1 to laufer
Annette Greiner: +1 to laufer ←
13:52:40 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to laufer
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to laufer ←
13:52:42 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 ←
13:52:43 <newton> q+
Newton Calegari: q+ ←
13:52:53 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
13:52:53 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
13:53:00 <yaso> +1 to laufer
Yaso Córdova: +1 to laufer ←
13:53:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/written/rating
13:53:26 <yaso> agree w/newton
Yaso Córdova: agree w/newton ←
13:53:29 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:53:33 <deirdrelee> q-
Deirdre Lee: q- ←
13:53:34 <Caroline> newton: if we remove this normative terms on this verision should we have the rating system now? I think we don't have time for it before next publishing
Newton Calegari: if we remove this normative terms on this verision should we have the rating system now? I think we don't have time for it before next publishing ←
13:53:49 <deirdrelee> ack newton
Deirdre Lee: ack newton ←
13:53:49 <laufer> q+
Carlos Laufer: q+ ←
13:53:56 <yaso> Maybe we could focus on the rating system at F2F
Yaso Córdova: Maybe we could focus on the rating system at F2F ←
13:53:57 <laufer> zakim, unmute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, unmute me ←
13:53:57 <Zakim> laufer should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should no longer be muted ←
13:54:05 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:54:11 <deirdrelee> ack laufer
Deirdre Lee: ack laufer ←
13:54:11 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:54:28 <Caroline> laufer: I think we can publish without the rating system and put a note that it would be done
Carlos Laufer: I think we can publish without the rating system and put a note that it would be done ←
13:54:29 <laufer> zakim, mute me
Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←
13:54:29 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←
13:54:45 <yaso> q+
Yaso Córdova: q+ ←
13:54:56 <Caroline> deirdrelee: do we agree that our rating system is better than using RFC?
Deirdre Lee: do we agree that our rating system is better than using RFC? ←
13:54:58 <annette_g> * resolution?
Annette Greiner: * resolution? ←
13:55:19 <deirdrelee> ack me
Deirdre Lee: ack me ←
13:55:21 <deirdrelee> ack yaso
Deirdre Lee: ack yaso ←
13:55:53 <Caroline> yaso: can we form a task force to make a proposal of the rating system before the f2f and make a simple proposal to the wg
Yaso Córdova: can we form a task force to make a proposal of the rating system before the f2f and make a simple proposal to the wg ←
13:56:01 <SumitPurohit> +q
Sumit Purohit: +q ←
13:56:06 <Caroline> ... we could call volunteers to make this proposal
... we could call volunteers to make this proposal ←
13:56:19 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:56:36 <deirdrelee> ack SumitPurohit
Deirdre Lee: ack SumitPurohit ←
13:56:48 <Caroline> SumitPurohit: so far I am still not getting
Sumit Purohit: so far I am still not getting ←
13:56:58 <Caroline> ... I don't think we have to make a decision right now
... I don't think we have to make a decision right now ←
13:57:57 <Caroline> deirdrelee: If the task force for the rating system we would have to do something before the face to face
Deirdre Lee: If the task force for the rating system we would have to do something before the face to face ←
13:58:05 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:58:09 <Caroline> ... we can discuss it in 2 weeks and work from there
... we can discuss it in 2 weeks and work from there ←
13:58:13 <yaso> agree
Yaso Córdova: agree ←
13:58:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee and SumitPurohit's proposal
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to deirdrelee and SumitPurohit's proposal ←
13:58:38 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
Deirdre Lee: ack deirdrelee ←
13:59:00 <yaso> Zakim, who is scribing?
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, who is scribing? ←
13:59:00 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, yaso.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, yaso. ←
14:00:06 <Caroline> BernadetteLoscio: I think it is great to think about but I think 2 weeks are not enough
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I think it is great to think about but I think 2 weeks are not enough ←
14:00:25 <Caroline> ... we can have a initial proposal, but something that will be good to publish will take more time
... we can have a initial proposal, but something that will be good to publish will take more time ←
14:00:51 <laufer> maybe we could put a note reporting that this thing will be done ,,,
Carlos Laufer: maybe we could put a note reporting that this thing will be done ,,, ←
14:00:53 <ericstephan> Data Usage Vocab: I will send a request out to the group for feedback today in the mailing list to keep on schedule . http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html
Eric Stephan: Data Usage Vocab: I will send a request out to the group for feedback today in the mailing list to keep on schedule . http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-du.html ←
14:00:54 <annette_g> * when are we switching conferencing systems?
Annette Greiner: * when are we switching conferencing systems? ←
14:01:01 <Caroline> deirdrelee: for the next version BPs will mature and for the next stage we will be looking on the rating
Deirdre Lee: for the next version BPs will mature and for the next stage we will be looking on the rating ←
14:01:04 <newton> Just to emphasize, are we going to keep de RFC on the next version (which is going to be published soon), and after that we will have the rating system. Is it right?
Newton Calegari: Just to emphasize, are we going to keep de RFC on the next version (which is going to be published soon), and after that we will have the rating system. Is it right? ←
14:01:28 <Zakim> -ericstephan
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14:02:05 <Caroline> thank you!
thank you! ←
14:02:08 <yaso> tks
Yaso Córdova: tks ←
14:02:10 <laufer> bye all, nice weekend
Carlos Laufer: bye all, nice weekend ←
14:02:10 <Zakim> -Caroline
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14:02:11 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
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14:02:13 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
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14:02:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye , thanks
Riccardo Albertoni: bye , thanks ←
14:02:14 <Zakim> -sumit
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14:02:16 <annette_g> bye all!
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14:02:16 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
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14:02:18 <Zakim> -laufer
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14:02:23 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has ended
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14:02:24 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.509.554.aaaa, deirdrelee, HadleyBeeman, antoine, ericstephan, +1.617.646.aabb, riccardoAlbertoni, sumit, +1.510.384.aadd, laufer, BernadetteLoscio, yaso
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14:03:01 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:03:18 <deirdrelee> to update on Newton's comment, after the next version we will explore in more detail whether we will replace the normative statements with a rating system, whether we will have a rating system as well as normative statements, or not use the rating system.
Deirdre Lee: to update on Newton's comment, after the next version we will explore in more detail whether we will replace the normative statements with a rating system, whether we will have a rating system as well as normative statements, or not use the rating system. ←
14:03:40 <deirdrelee> but this won't be for this version, as we are still finalising the BPs, will ensure they are stable for this version first
Deirdre Lee: but this won't be for this version, as we are still finalising the BPs, will ensure they are stable for this version first ←
14:03:54 <deirdrelee> Thanks Caroline for scribing!
Deirdre Lee: Thanks Caroline for scribing! ←
14:04:44 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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14:05:16 <phila> regrets+ Makx, PhilA
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14:05:22 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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14:05:37 <phila> chair: Deirdre
14:05:47 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150522#
14:05:51 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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