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12:57:10 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
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12:57:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
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12:57:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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12:57:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:13 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2015
12:58:44 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started
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12:58:51 <Zakim> +??P1
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P1 ←
12:58:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P1 is me
Bart van Leeuwen: Zakim, ??P1 is me ←
12:58:54 <Zakim> +BartvanLeeuwen; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BartvanLeeuwen; got it ←
12:59:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
12:59:32 <phila> zakim, [ is me
Phil Archer: zakim, [ is me ←
12:59:32 <Zakim> +phila; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +phila; got it ←
12:59:34 <phila> Guest: Newton Calegari
12:59:59 <Zakim> +??P3
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P3 ←
13:00:15 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P3 is me
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P3 is me ←
13:00:15 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +MTCarrasco; got it ←
13:00:17 <Zakim> +annette_g
Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g ←
13:00:24 <hadleybeeman> Hi all!
Hadley Beeman: Hi all! ←
13:00:53 <annette_g> Hi!
Annette Greiner: Hi! ←
13:02:03 <Zakim> +Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: +Steve ←
13:02:27 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:33 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
13:03:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman ←
13:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot ←
13:05:11 <Zakim> +estephan
Zakim IRC Bot: +estephan ←
13:05:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, estephan is ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: zakim, estephan is ericstephan ←
13:05:26 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it ←
13:05:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:05:51 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me
Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me ←
13:05:51 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←
13:06:01 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: +RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:06:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all!
Riccardo Albertoni: hi all! ←
13:06:28 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
13:06:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:06:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, ←
13:06:30 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot ←
13:06:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:06:52 <yaso1> Zakim, yaso has Newton
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Newton ←
13:06:52 <Zakim> sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso'
Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso' ←
13:07:03 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim? ←
13:07:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman.
Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman. ←
13:07:06 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me
Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←
13:07:06 <Zakim> +antoine; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←
13:07:11 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:07:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steve
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steve ←
13:07:25 <hadleybeeman> zakim, steve is adler1
Hadley Beeman: zakim, steve is adler1 ←
13:07:27 <Zakim> +adler1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it ←
13:07:38 <Zakim> +Reinaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: +Reinaldo ←
13:07:47 <phila> zakim, who is here?
Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←
13:07:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, adler1, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Reinaldo
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, adler1, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Reinaldo ←
13:07:48 <hadleybeeman> adler1, would you be willing to scribe?
Hadley Beeman: adler1, would you be willing to scribe? ←
13:07:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, ←
13:07:49 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot ←
13:07:52 <newton> Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso
Newton Calegari: Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso ←
13:07:52 <Zakim> +yaso; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it ←
13:08:30 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim
Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim ←
13:08:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose RiccardoAlbertoni
Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose RiccardoAlbertoni ←
13:08:46 <phila> scribe: adler1
(Scribe set to Steven Adler)
13:08:47 <yaso1> Zakim, Yaso has newton
Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Yaso has newton ←
13:08:47 <Zakim> +newton; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it ←
13:09:02 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-20
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-20 ←
13:09:12 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is noisy?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is noisy? ←
13:09:19 <adler1> propose: approve last meeting minutes
13:09:23 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (25%), HadleyBeeman (14%), yaso (54%)
Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (25%), HadleyBeeman (14%), yaso (54%) ←
13:09:32 <adler1> proposed: approve last meeting minutes
PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes ←
13:09:36 <ericstephan> +1
Eric Stephan: +1 ←
13:09:39 <yaso1> +1
Yaso Córdova: +1 ←
13:09:39 <MTCarrasco> +1
13:09:40 <annette_g> +1
Annette Greiner: +1 ←
13:09:41 <newton> +1
Newton Calegari: +1 ←
13:09:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 ←
13:09:50 <phila> s/propose: approve last meeting minutes//
13:10:07 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:10:10 <Zakim> -adler1
Zakim IRC Bot: -adler1 ←
13:10:20 <phila> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes
RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes ←
13:10:35 <Zakim> +adler1
Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1 ←
13:10:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←
13:10:46 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150327
13:10:51 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio ←
13:10:51 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it ←
13:10:52 <phila> Chair: Hadley
13:11:03 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open
Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open ←
13:11:10 <adler1> hadly: lets jump into open issues
Hadley Beeman: lets jump into open issues ←
13:11:18 <phila> issue-48?
13:11:18 <trackbot> issue-48 -- Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-48 -- Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists -- open ←
13:11:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48 ←
13:12:02 <newton> s/hadly/hadleybeeman/
13:12:08 <phila> issue-48 resolved on the mailing list http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48
Phil Archer: ISSUE-48 resolved on the mailing list http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48 ←
13:12:25 <phila> close issue-48
Phil Archer: close ISSUE-48 ←
13:12:26 <trackbot> Closed issue-48.
Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-48. ←
13:13:08 <deirdrelee> formats-67, examples-56, policy-74, technologies-144
Deirdre Lee: formats-67, examples-56, policy-74, technologies-144 ←
13:13:29 <adler1> what is the general structure of the best practices document
what is the general structure of the best practices document ←
13:13:32 <phila> issue-67?
13:13:32 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed ←
13:13:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67 ←
13:13:37 <phila> issue-56?
13:13:37 <trackbot> issue-56 -- We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note? -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-56 -- We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note? -- closed ←
13:13:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56 ←
13:13:43 <phila> issue-74?
13:13:43 <trackbot> issue-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open ←
13:13:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74 ←
13:13:46 <phila> issue-144?
13:13:46 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open ←
13:13:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144 ←
13:14:25 <phila> issue-67?
13:14:25 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed ←
13:14:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67 ←
13:14:30 <annette_g> link for 67? not on the list
Annette Greiner: link for 67? not on the list ←
13:14:35 <adler1> bernadette: I was in Sao Paolo, and we worked through some issues and closed issue-67
Bernadette Farias Loscio: I was in Sao Paolo, and we worked through some issues and closed ISSUE-67 ←
13:14:42 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:15:01 <MTCarrasco> DSV (Delimiter-separated values)
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: DSV (Delimiter-separated values) ←
13:15:01 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco ←
13:15:24 <MTCarrasco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delimiter-separated_values
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delimiter-separated_values ←
13:15:40 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:15:48 <hadleybeeman> ack phila
Hadley Beeman: ack phila ←
13:16:00 <adler1> phila: you can use tabs or commas to separate things
Phil Archer: you can use tabs or commas to separate things ←
13:16:11 <adler1> phila: the term everyone uses is CSV
Phil Archer: the term everyone uses is CSV ←
13:16:30 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:16:33 <ericstephan> I agree that we should broaden the term, but the CSV on the web WG as "Tabular Data".
Eric Stephan: I agree that we should broaden the term, but the CSV on the web WG uses"Tabular Data". ←
13:16:43 <adler1> phila: when we say CSV we also mean tab and comma, but it may be more accurate to say delimeter separated value
Phil Archer: when we say CSV we also mean tab and comma, but it may be more accurate to say delimeter separated value ←
13:16:51 <ericstephan> s/ as / uses/
13:17:07 <adler1> CSV is easier
CSV is easier ←
13:17:10 <hadleybeeman> ack annete
Hadley Beeman: ack annete ←
13:17:15 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
13:17:19 <adler1> no need to use terms people don't often use
no need to use terms people don't often use ←
13:17:32 <MTCarrasco> Find to use CVS meaning DSV
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Find to use CSV meaning DSV ←
13:17:34 <adler1> q+
q+ ←
13:17:42 <phila> s/CVS/CSV/
13:17:52 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:18:09 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:18:16 <hadleybeeman> q+ phila
Hadley Beeman: q+ phila ←
13:18:27 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:18:30 <hadleybeeman> ack adler
Hadley Beeman: ack adler ←
13:18:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to confusion
Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to confusion ←
13:18:41 <hadleybeeman> zakim, adler is adler1
Hadley Beeman: zakim, adler is adler1 ←
13:18:41 <Zakim> +adler1; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it ←
13:18:52 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/ Tabular data is data that is structured into rows, each of which contains information about some thing.
Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/ Tabular data is data that is structured into rows, each of which contains information about some thing. ←
13:19:01 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
13:19:21 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
13:19:22 <adler1> annette: we could build a glossary to explain formats
Annette Greiner: we could build a glossary to explain formats ←
13:19:26 <hadleybeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:19:35 <MTCarrasco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute%E2%80%93value_pair
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute%E2%80%93value_pair ←
13:20:03 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:20:16 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
13:20:27 <MTCarrasco> Key-value pairs
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Key-value pairs ←
13:20:31 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
13:20:33 <adler1> MTCarrasco: the question includes using key value pairs as a format
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: the question includes using key value pairs as a format ←
13:20:40 <adler1> q+
q+ ←
13:20:48 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:20:55 <hadleybeeman> ack adler
Hadley Beeman: ack adler ←
13:21:36 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:21:49 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:21:55 <ericstephan> adler1: There are so many other file types that are used in the open data
Steven Adler: There are so many other file types that are used in the open data [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
13:22:02 <hadleybeeman> ack annette
Hadley Beeman: ack annette ←
13:22:24 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to Annette
Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Annette ←
13:22:26 <adler1> annette: we should avoid key value pairs because it suggests many formats
Annette Greiner: we should avoid key value pairs because it suggests many formats ←
13:22:29 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre
Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre ←
13:23:01 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:23:10 <adler1> deirdrelee: I agree with annette, for the main types of data we can stay with common formats and in Ireland we can name common formats for additional filetypes
Deirdre Lee: I agree with annette, for the main types of data we can stay with common formats and in Ireland we can name common formats for additional filetypes ←
13:23:18 <phila> q+ to talk about recommended file types
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about recommended file types ←
13:23:32 <adler1> deirdrelee: there are other filetypes to ack those as well
Deirdre Lee: there are other filetypes to ack those as well ←
13:23:35 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:23:37 <ericstephan> there are also many other open binary formats that might be useful as well
Eric Stephan: there are also many other open binary formats that might be useful as well ←
13:23:41 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco ←
13:23:41 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee
Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee ←
13:23:45 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
13:23:47 <MTCarrasco> Formats - the most popular - textual: CSV, key-value, JSON, XML
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Formats - the most popular - textual: CSV, key-value, JSON, XML ←
13:24:08 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:24:10 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:24:10 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about recommended file types
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about recommended file types ←
13:24:11 <annette_g> JSON = key-value
Annette Greiner: JSON = key-value ←
13:24:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:24:12 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we can mention the most popular file types, csv, key value, xml, json
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we can mention the most popular file types, csv, key value, xml, json ←
13:24:19 <adler1> phila: RDF too
Phil Archer: RDF too ←
13:24:45 <MTCarrasco> Graphical - PNG
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Graphical - PNG ←
13:24:57 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:25:02 <newton> Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_
Newton Calegari: Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_ ←
13:25:02 <Zakim> +Caroline_; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_; got it ←
13:25:53 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:26:18 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:26:47 <phila> ack ericstephan
Phil Archer: ack ericstephan ←
13:27:19 <phila> adler1: Makes the point about information needing to be human consumable in things like images, videos and docs etc.
Steven Adler: Makes the point about information needing to be human consumable in things like images, videos and docs etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:27:30 <adler1> ericstephan: original discussions about formats and we should be explicit about file formats
Eric Stephan: original discussions about formats and we should be explicit about file formats ←
13:27:46 <adler1> ericstephan: maybe we need a document talking about specific formats
Eric Stephan: maybe we need a document talking about specific formats ←
13:28:17 <adler1> ericstephan: families of formats, like netcdf. we could go down the road describing all kinds of formats
Eric Stephan: families of formats, like netcdf. we could go down the road describing all kinds of formats ←
13:28:26 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:28:35 <adler1> ericstephan: is there a bucket we could put all the file formats into
Eric Stephan: is there a bucket we could put all the file formats into ←
13:28:35 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:28:54 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:29:05 <adler1> bernadette: maybe we can find some data formats and create a section in the document and list the most used data formats
Bernadette Farias Loscio: maybe we can find some data formats and create a section in the document and list the most used data formats ←
13:29:21 <phila> ack deirdrelee
Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee ←
13:29:21 <adler1> bernadette: i think we can list the main data formats
Bernadette Farias Loscio: i think we can list the main data formats ←
13:29:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+
Bart van Leeuwen: q+ ←
13:30:09 <adler1> deirdrelee: I am not going to disagree with steve. there is an org in ireland that does archiving for ireland
Deirdre Lee: I am not going to disagree with steve. there is an org in ireland that does archiving for ireland ←
13:30:20 <phila> q?
Phil Archer: q? ←
13:30:24 <adler1> deirdrelee: we focus on tabular and the org focuses on other file type
Deirdre Lee: we focus on tabular and the org focuses on other file type ←
13:30:44 <adler1> q+
q+ ←
13:31:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:31:25 <Zakim> +??P26
Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26 ←
13:31:25 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee maybe a "data catalog"?
Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee maybe a "data catalog"? ←
13:31:26 <adler1> deirdrelee: we could classify formats as open and machine-readable and make a matrix
Deirdre Lee: we could classify formats as open and machine-readable and make a matrix ←
13:31:45 <adler1> JPEG is far from dead. as a photographer, I use it all the time
JPEG is far from dead. as a photographer, I use it all the time ←
13:31:51 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P26 is me
Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P26 is me ←
13:31:51 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it
Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←
13:31:52 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
13:31:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
13:32:31 <adler1> annette: a good idea to include image and video formats, but we should focus on a data format and reference to media files
Annette Greiner: a good idea to include image and video formats, but we should focus on a data format and reference to media files ←
13:32:36 <phila> ack MTCarrasco
Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco ←
13:32:41 <MTCarrasco> The examples must be specific and give examples with the most popular formats: textual, graphics ... at least one for each type
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The examples must be specific and give examples with the most popular formats: textual, graphics ... at least one for each type ←
13:32:43 <adler1> media files have EXIF metadata
media files have EXIF metadata ←
13:33:02 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we must use specific examples and most popular formats
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must use specific examples and most popular formats ←
13:33:02 <MTCarrasco> Also package formats
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Also package formats ←
13:33:15 <adler1> how to package the things
how to package the things ←
13:33:20 <MTCarrasco> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/ ←
13:33:46 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:34:33 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phila
Hadley Beeman: +1 to phila ←
13:34:45 <MTCarrasco> Package forma: http://dragoman.org/xdossier
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Package forma: http://dragoman.org/xdossier ←
13:34:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phil
Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phil ←
13:34:55 <adler1> phila: there is an intermediary between the data and a human being, and our remit stops at that intermediary
Phil Archer: there is an intermediary between the data and a human being, and our remit stops at that intermediary ←
13:35:02 <hadleybeeman> We have to help people publish good, clean, usable data so that developers can make good visualisations, displays, conclusions, etc from it.
Hadley Beeman: We have to help people publish good, clean, usable data so that developers can make good visualisations, displays, conclusions, etc from it. ←
13:35:07 <ericstephan> scientists also have nasty habits of hanging onto formats that might be considered obsolete by the web publishing community. non-binary formats are used to be a bridge to those formats
Eric Stephan: scientists also have nasty habits of hanging onto formats that might be considered obsolete by the web publishing community. non-binary formats are used to be a bridge to those formats ←
13:35:08 <phila> Share-PSI http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/hls/
Phil Archer: Share-PSI http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/hls/ ←
13:35:29 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?
Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here? ←
13:35:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias ←
13:35:33 <Zakim> yaso has Caroline_
Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Caroline_ ←
13:35:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see nathalia_, CarlosIglesias, Caroline_, AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC, yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco,
Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nathalia_, CarlosIglesias, Caroline_, AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC, yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, ←
13:35:33 <Zakim> ... annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
Zakim IRC Bot: ... annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot ←
13:35:45 <MTCarrasco> The formats must be human and machine readable -
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The formats must be human and machine readable - ←
13:35:48 <adler1> the use of media files are well documented in our use cases
the use of media files are well documented in our use cases ←
13:35:50 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:35:51 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted ←
13:35:53 <CarlosIglesias> multimedia galleries is a quite usual use case for open government data as well
Carlos Iglesias: multimedia galleries is a quite usual use case for open government data as well ←
13:35:58 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:35:58 <deirdrelee> +1
Deirdre Lee: +1 ←
13:36:32 <phila> ack BartvanLeeuwen
Phil Archer: ack BartvanLeeuwen ←
13:36:38 <adler1> phila: disagrees with adler1nd thinks media files are out of scope for the group
Phil Archer: disagrees with adler1nd thinks media files are out of scope for the group ←
13:36:40 <MTCarrasco> "Package or Perish"
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: "Package or Perish" ←
13:36:56 <adler1> bart: how much does a specific file format have on the best practice
Bart van Leeuwen: how much does a specific file format have on the best practice ←
13:37:04 <hadleybeeman> @mtcarrasco: I don't know much about packaging. When would someone want to do it? What are the use cases?
Hadley Beeman: @mtcarrasco: I don't know much about packaging. When would someone want to do it? What are the use cases? ←
13:37:04 <ericstephan> good point BartvanLeeuwen
Eric Stephan: good point BartvanLeeuwen ←
13:37:13 <deirdrelee> q+
Deirdre Lee: q+ ←
13:37:31 <MTCarrasco> Not mentioned formats are not excluded - but we have to be specific
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Not mentioned formats are not excluded - but we have to be specific ←
13:37:35 <phila> ack adler1
Phil Archer: ack adler1 ←
13:37:42 <ericstephan> of course if you note my comment on the sciences this isn't true
Eric Stephan: of course if you note my comment on the sciences this isn't true ←
13:38:17 <phila> adler1: CSV is nearly 40 years old as an export format from Lotus
Steven Adler: CSV is nearly 40 years old as an export format from Lotus [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:38:32 <phila> adler1: JPG is used everywhere for images
Steven Adler: JPG is used everywhere for images [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:38:43 <hadleybeeman> steve is brilliantly articulating the reason for the charter for the CSV on the Web working group :)
Hadley Beeman: steve is brilliantly articulating the reason for the charter for the CSV on the Web working group :) ←
13:38:48 <ericstephan> shapefiles geospatial...
Eric Stephan: shapefiles geospatial... ←
13:38:54 <phila> ... AVI, MP3 etc are all widely used. Open data is new
Phil Archer: ... AVI, MP3 etc are all widely used. Open data is new ←
13:39:13 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:39:26 <phila> ... we don't have to catalogue all file formats but we do need to look at our use cases and the file formats that they refer to
Phil Archer: ... we don't have to catalogue all file formats but we do need to look at our use cases and the file formats that they refer to ←
13:40:10 <phila> ... I like the idea of a table of file formats that may be used and what they can be used for.
Phil Archer: ... I like the idea of a table of file formats that may be used and what they can be used for. ←
13:40:29 <phila> adler1: Some files have their own metadata file (EXIF etc.)
Steven Adler: Some files have their own metadata file (EXIF etc.) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:40:35 <phila> ... and we can talk about that.
Phil Archer: ... and we can talk about that. ←
13:40:49 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:40:54 <hadleybeeman> ack adler
Hadley Beeman: ack adler ←
13:40:57 <MTCarrasco> The Art of Unix Programming - Textuality - http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/textualitychapter.html
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The Art of Unix Programming - Textuality - http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/textualitychapter.html ←
13:40:58 <phila> adler1: I think it behoves us to create a glossary of these and where our standards fit
Steven Adler: I think it behoves us to create a glossary of these and where our standards fit [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:41:03 <phila> ack next
Phil Archer: ack next ←
13:41:09 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:41:46 <adler1> deirdrelee: there are an infinite number of file types, and a lot are specific to systems, and we care about data inter-operability
Deirdre Lee: there are an infinite number of file types, and a lot are specific to systems, and we care about data inter-operability ←
13:42:03 <ericstephan> Should we ONLY reference file formats that have a syntatic online definition we can referenc?
Eric Stephan: Should we ONLY reference file formats that have a syntatic online definition we can referenc? ←
13:42:10 <adler1> deirdrelee: we focus on RDF, CSV and they are fit for purpose
Deirdre Lee: we focus on RDF, CSV and they are fit for purpose ←
13:42:39 <ericstephan> E.g. IETF, W3C links to formats
Eric Stephan: E.g. IETF, W3C links to formats ←
13:42:43 <phila> ack annette_g
Phil Archer: ack annette_g ←
13:42:45 <adler1> deirdrelee: our document is a snapshot of what we know and does not exlcude new formats
Deirdre Lee: our document is a snapshot of what we know and does not exlcude new formats ←
13:43:05 <adler1> annette: I think we are talking about two different things, data vs file format
Annette Greiner: I think we are talking about two different things, data vs file format ←
13:43:20 <adler1> annette: maybe we need to split that into two different things
Annette Greiner: maybe we need to split that into two different things ←
13:43:28 <phila> ack next
Phil Archer: ack next ←
13:43:28 <deirdrelee> q?
Deirdre Lee: q? ←
13:43:49 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we must create a specific example with specific formats
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must create a specific example with specific formats ←
13:43:49 <hadleybeeman> q+
Hadley Beeman: q+ ←
13:43:50 <ericstephan> q+
Eric Stephan: q+ ←
13:44:04 <ericstephan> q-
Eric Stephan: q- ←
13:44:11 <adler1> MTCarrasco: the example must be human and machine-readable
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: the example must be human and machine-readable ←
13:44:17 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:44:18 <phila> ack hadleybeeman
Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman ←
13:44:32 <BernadetteLoscio> q-
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q- ←
13:44:56 <CarlosIglesias> don't think all formats need to be human and machine readable
Carlos Iglesias: don't think all formats need to be human and machine readable ←
13:45:03 <CarlosIglesias> something nice to have sometimes
Carlos Iglesias: something nice to have sometimes ←
13:45:04 <adler1> hadley: we have a lot of different topics in this discussion and we should focus on data on the web
Hadley Beeman: we have a lot of different topics in this discussion and we should focus on data on the web ←
13:45:06 <CarlosIglesias> but not others
Carlos Iglesias: but not others ←
13:45:29 <CarlosIglesias> even counter-productive in same cases
Carlos Iglesias: even counter-productive in same cases ←
13:45:31 <MTCarrasco> terminology data model vs. data model - http://dragoman.org/format
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terminology data model vs. data model - http://dragoman.org/format ←
13:45:41 <adler1> JPEG is machine readable
JPEG is machine readable ←
13:45:49 <MTCarrasco> terminology data model vs. data format - http://dragoman.org/format
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terminology data model vs. data format - http://dragoman.org/format ←
13:46:20 <phila> issue-67?
13:46:20 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed
Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed ←
13:46:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67
Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67 ←
13:46:46 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:46:46 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted ←
13:47:29 <adler1> open a new issue
open a new issue ←
13:47:52 <adler1> what file formats should we list in our glossary that are human and machine readable
what file formats should we list in our glossary that are human and machine readable ←
13:47:56 <annette_g> should we add a BP about file formats (as opposed to data formats)?
Annette Greiner: should we add a BP about file formats (as opposed to data formats)? ←
13:48:00 <adler1> q+
q+ ←
13:48:56 <phila> q+
Phil Archer: q+ ←
13:49:05 <phila> q-
Phil Archer: q- ←
13:49:26 <annette_g> +1 to close
Annette Greiner: +1 to close ←
13:49:36 <newton> Maybe we should create one action to someone to provide examples for the BP. Those examples showing the possible formats that could be used, showing json, xml, csv
Newton Calegari: Maybe we should create one action to someone to provide examples for the BP. Those examples showing the possible formats that could be used, showing json, xml, csv ←
13:49:39 <phila> ack adler1
Phil Archer: ack adler1 ←
13:49:44 <phila> ack adler
Phil Archer: ack adler ←
13:50:11 <MTCarrasco> Format is central to data
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Format is central to data ←
13:50:17 <annette_g> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats
Annette Greiner: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats ←
13:50:25 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+ ←
13:50:26 <phila> adler1: I agree that the issue is closed. But today we're tallking about something else. We're looking at discovery, quality etc. And that can include data in any file formats
Steven Adler: I agree that the issue is closed. But today we're tallking about something else. We're looking at discovery, quality etc. And that can include data in any file formats [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←
13:50:54 <phila> ... these BPs could apply to multiple file types that are both human and machine readable, and that's the criteria for inclusion in the glossary
Phil Archer: ... these BPs could apply to multiple file types that are both human and machine readable, and that's the criteria for inclusion in the glossary ←
13:50:56 <MTCarrasco> Define data types
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Define data types ←
13:51:11 <phila> q+ to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs
Phil Archer: q+ to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs ←
13:51:14 <MTCarrasco> q+
13:51:55 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio
Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio ←
13:52:18 <antoine> q+
Antoine Isaac: q+ ←
13:52:38 <adler1> annette: file formats are jpeg and data file formats are csv
Annette Greiner: file formats are jpeg and data file formats are csv ←
13:53:13 <hadleybeeman> +1 to annette
Hadley Beeman: +1 to annette ←
13:53:27 <adler1> annette: ASCII is the file format and CSV is the structure
Annette Greiner: ASCII is the file format and CSV is the structure ←
13:53:56 <phila> ack me
Phil Archer: ack me ←
13:53:56 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs
Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs ←
13:54:04 <phila> Is the requirement specifically relevant to data published on the Web?
Phil Archer: Is the requirement specifically relevant to data published on the Web? ←
13:54:04 <phila> Does the requirement encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?
Phil Archer: Does the requirement encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web? ←
13:54:04 <phila> Is the requirement testable?
Phil Archer: Is the requirement testable? ←
13:54:31 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:54:31 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should now be muted ←
13:55:07 <annette_g> q+
Annette Greiner: q+ ←
13:55:31 <CarlosIglesias> jpeg has also its own structure
Carlos Iglesias: jpeg has also its own structure ←
13:55:41 <CarlosIglesias> why it is not a "data format"?
Carlos Iglesias: why it is not a "data format"? ←
13:55:55 <adler1> phila: if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for
Phil Archer: if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for people, not machines, it works against re-use ←
13:56:12 <hadleybeeman> @CarlosIglesias, how can jpegs be reused? :)
Hadley Beeman: @CarlosIglesias, how can jpegs be reused? :) ←
13:56:23 <adler1> photos are machine searchable today for faces, buildings, and text
photos are machine searchable today for faces, buildings, and text ←
13:56:24 <annette_g> q-
Annette Greiner: q- ←
13:56:26 <hadleybeeman> (or rather, how can the data in jpegs be reused)
Hadley Beeman: (or rather, how can the data in jpegs be reused) ←
13:56:32 <CarlosIglesias> for multimedia content
Carlos Iglesias: for multimedia content ←
13:56:44 <yaso1> Agree with phil, maybe put metadata on the image, on the video, on the gif, but that's all
Yaso Córdova: Agree with phil, maybe put metadata on the image, on the video, on the gif, but that's all ←
13:56:44 <CarlosIglesias> through the associated metadata
Carlos Iglesias: through the associated metadata ←
13:56:49 <ericstephan> images are analyzed for electron microscopy , new instruments are producing 100,000 images a second that need to be analyzed by machines.
Eric Stephan: images are analyzed for electron microscopy , new instruments are producing 100,000 images a second that need to be analyzed by machines. ←
13:56:54 <hadleybeeman> q?
Hadley Beeman: q? ←
13:57:01 <CarlosIglesias> in fact they are one of the most reused formats
Carlos Iglesias: in fact they are one of the most reused formats ←
13:57:27 <CarlosIglesias> you can reuse the full image, not necessary just some bits
Carlos Iglesias: you can reuse the full image, not necessary just some bits ←
13:57:29 <MTCarrasco> Define data model, file format, data format, data type
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Define data model, file format, data format, data type ←
13:57:33 <hadleybeeman> ack mt
Hadley Beeman: ack mt ←
13:58:18 <phila> s/ if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for/ if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for people, not machines, it works against re-use/
13:58:30 <annette_g> we can define terms in the intro, too
Annette Greiner: we can define terms in the intro, too ←
13:58:39 <hadleybeeman> ack antoine
Hadley Beeman: ack antoine ←
13:58:41 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio
Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio ←
13:58:41 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted
Zakim IRC Bot: BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted ←
13:58:56 <MTCarrasco> file format and data format: the same
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: file format and data format: the same ←
13:59:11 <adler1> antoine: in the some of the use case, DQ mentions quality of type and features
Antoine Isaac: in the some of the use case, DQ mentions quality of type and features ←
13:59:37 <ericstephan> Its a really interesting discussion publishing for humans/machines
Eric Stephan: Its a really interesting discussion publishing for humans/machines ←
13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> +1 to ericstephan
Hadley Beeman: +1 to ericstephan ←
13:59:47 <adler1> antoine: idea to sort the issue of different file types to consider DQ and if it makes sense for these files
Antoine Isaac: idea to sort the issue of different file types to consider DQ and if it makes sense for these files ←
14:00:07 <adler1> indeed it is critically important to validate DQ in images and video which are constantly abused
indeed it is critically important to validate DQ in images and video which are constantly abused ←
14:00:08 <phila> I like that antoine
Phil Archer: I like that antoine ←
14:00:12 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: perhaps this is a data usage vocab item?
Bernadette Farias Loscio: perhaps this is a data usage vocab item? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ] ←
14:00:22 <MTCarrasco> data quality: format quality and content quality
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: data quality: format quality and content quality ←
14:00:34 <adler1> I could send you all terabytes of fraudulent images and video
I could send you all terabytes of fraudulent images and video ←
14:00:47 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Glossary
Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Glossary ←
14:00:48 <MTCarrasco> terms +1
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terms +1 ←
14:00:48 <adler1> 80% ofall internet traffic is media
80% ofall internet traffic is media ←
14:00:52 <hadleybeeman> me, bye antoine!
Hadley Beeman: me, bye antoine! ←
14:01:00 <Zakim> -antoine
Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←
14:01:16 <deirdrelee> +1. A glossary will address all these issues: 52, 59, 68, 80, 82, 133
Deirdre Lee: +1. A glossary will address all these issues: 52, 59, 68, 80, 82, 133 ←
14:01:21 <adler1> +1
+1 ←
14:01:31 <adler1> thank you
thank you ←
14:01:37 <Caroline_> bye!
Caroline Burle: bye! ←
14:01:48 <adler1> bank holiday next week
bank holiday next week ←
14:02:00 <adler1> cancelling call next week
cancelling call next week ←
14:02:00 <Caroline_> it will be Holliday in Brazil
Caroline Burle: it will be Holliday in Brazil ←
14:02:03 <phila> Easter Friday is a holiday in many countries so no call next week
Phil Archer: Easter Friday is a holiday in many countries so no call next week ←
14:02:12 <Caroline_> ok
Caroline Burle: ok ←
14:02:18 <AdrianoC-UFMG> Thanks, all!
Adriano Pereira: Thanks, all! ←
14:02:20 <ericstephan> yeah for sleeping in!
Eric Stephan: yeah for sleeping in! ←
14:02:52 <ericstephan> We need a F2F agenda still?
Eric Stephan: We need a F2F agenda still? ←
14:02:52 <yaso1> Bye! Happy easter and eat chocolates!
Yaso Córdova: Bye! Happy easter and eat chocolates! ←
14:02:55 <CarlosIglesias> bye!
Carlos Iglesias: bye! ←
14:02:57 <adler1> thanks everyone
thanks everyone ←
14:02:58 <Zakim> -adler1
Zakim IRC Bot: -adler1 ←
14:02:58 <MTCarrasco> bye
Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye ←
14:03:00 <Zakim> -deirdrelee
Zakim IRC Bot: -deirdrelee ←
14:03:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye
Riccardo Albertoni: bye ←
14:03:02 <Zakim> -phila
Zakim IRC Bot: -phila ←
14:03:03 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco
Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco ←
14:03:04 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio
Zakim IRC Bot: -BernadetteLoscio ←
14:03:04 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman
Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←
14:03:05 <annette_g> bye
Annette Greiner: bye ←
14:03:06 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen
Zakim IRC Bot: -BartvanLeeuwen ←
14:03:06 <Zakim> -ericstephan
Zakim IRC Bot: -ericstephan ←
14:03:09 <Zakim> -yaso
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14:03:12 <Zakim> -annette_g
Zakim IRC Bot: -annette_g ←
14:03:20 <phila> trackbot end meeting
Phil Archer: trackbot end meeting ←
14:03:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
14:03:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton, ←
14:03:23 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias ←
14:03:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
14:03:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot ←
14:03:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
14:03:42 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←
14:03:46 <phila> trackbot end meeting
Phil Archer: trackbot end meeting ←
14:03:46 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees ←
14:03:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,
Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton, ←
14:03:50 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias
Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias ←
14:03:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes ←
14:03:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot ←
14:03:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye ←
14:03:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items ←
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