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Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference

Minutes of 27 March 2015

Agenda
https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150327
Seen
Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Bart van Leeuwen, Bernadette Farias Loscio, Carlos Iglesias, Caroline Burle, Deirdre Lee, Eric Stephan, Hadley Beeman, Manuel Carrasco Benitez, Newton Calegari, Phil Archer, Riccardo Albertoni, Steven Adler, Yaso Córdova
Guests
Newton Calegari
Chair
Hadley Beeman
Scribe
Steven Adler
IRC Log
Original
Resolutions
  1. approve last meeting minutes link
Topics
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12:57:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP

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12:57:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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12:57:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:57:13 <trackbot> Date: 27 March 2015
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12:58:51 <Zakim> +??P1

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12:58:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> Zakim, ??P1 is me

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12:59:29 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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12:59:32 <phila> zakim, [ is me

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is me

12:59:32 <Zakim> +phila; got it

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12:59:34 <phila> Guest: Newton Calegari
12:59:59 <Zakim> +??P3

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13:00:15 <MTCarrasco> zakim, ??P3 is me

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: zakim, ??P3 is me

13:00:15 <Zakim> +MTCarrasco; got it

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13:00:17 <Zakim> +annette_g

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13:00:24 <hadleybeeman> Hi all!

Hadley Beeman: Hi all!

13:00:53 <annette_g> Hi!

Annette Greiner: Hi!

13:02:03 <Zakim> +Steve

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13:02:27 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

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13:03:33 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

13:03:33 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman

13:03:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:05:11 <Zakim> +estephan

Zakim IRC Bot: +estephan

13:05:26 <hadleybeeman> zakim, estephan is ericstephan

Hadley Beeman: zakim, estephan is ericstephan

13:05:26 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it

13:05:42 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:05:51 <deirdrelee> zakim, ipcaller is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, ipcaller is me

13:05:51 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it

13:06:01 <Zakim> +RiccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: +RiccardoAlbertoni

13:06:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all!

Riccardo Albertoni: hi all!

13:06:28 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

13:06:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Steve, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni

13:06:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,

13:06:30 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:06:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller]

13:06:52 <yaso1> Zakim, yaso has Newton

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has Newton

13:06:52 <Zakim> sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, yaso1, I do not recognize a party named 'yaso'

13:07:03 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim?

13:07:03 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman.

Zakim IRC Bot: I don't understand your question, hadleybeeman.

13:07:06 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me

13:07:06 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it

13:07:11 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim

Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim

13:07:11 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steve

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Steve

13:07:25 <hadleybeeman> zakim, steve is adler1

Hadley Beeman: zakim, steve is adler1

13:07:27 <Zakim> +adler1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it

13:07:38 <Zakim> +Reinaldo

Zakim IRC Bot: +Reinaldo

13:07:47 <phila> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here?

13:07:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, adler1, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Reinaldo

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, adler1, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Reinaldo

13:07:48 <hadleybeeman> adler1, would you be willing to scribe?

Hadley Beeman: adler1, would you be willing to scribe?

13:07:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco, annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, yaso, adler1, phila,

13:07:49 <Zakim> ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:07:52 <newton> Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

Newton Calegari: Zakim, Reinaldo is yaso

13:07:52 <Zakim> +yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +yaso; got it

13:08:30 <hadleybeeman> zakim, pick a victim

Hadley Beeman: zakim, pick a victim

13:08:30 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose RiccardoAlbertoni

Zakim IRC Bot: Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose RiccardoAlbertoni

13:08:46 <phila> scribe: adler1

(Scribe set to Steven Adler)

13:08:47 <yaso1> Zakim, Yaso has newton

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Yaso has newton

13:08:47 <Zakim> +newton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +newton; got it

13:09:02 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-20

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-03-20

13:09:12 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is noisy?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is noisy?

13:09:19 <adler1> propose: approve last meeting minutes

13:09:23 <Zakim> hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (25%), HadleyBeeman (14%), yaso (54%)

Zakim IRC Bot: hadleybeeman, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: adler1 (25%), HadleyBeeman (14%), yaso (54%)

13:09:32 <adler1> proposed: approve last meeting minutes

PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes

13:09:36 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1

13:09:39 <yaso1> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1

13:09:39 <MTCarrasco> +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: +1

13:09:40 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1

13:09:41 <newton> +1

Newton Calegari: +1

13:09:42 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1

Riccardo Albertoni: +1

13:09:50 <phila> s/propose: approve last meeting minutes//
13:10:07 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:10:10 <Zakim> -adler1

Zakim IRC Bot: -adler1

13:10:20 <phila> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes

RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes

13:10:35 <Zakim> +adler1

Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1

13:10:46 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

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13:10:46 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150327
13:10:51 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, ipcaller is BernadetteLoscio

13:10:51 <Zakim> +BernadetteLoscio; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +BernadetteLoscio; got it

13:10:52 <phila> Chair: Hadley
13:11:03 <hadleybeeman> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

Hadley Beeman: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/open

13:11:10 <adler1> hadly: lets jump into open issues

Hadley Beeman: lets jump into open issues

13:11:18 <phila> issue-48?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-48?

13:11:18 <trackbot> issue-48 -- Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-48 -- Phil to look at whether the ucr doc sufficiently covers code lists -- open

13:11:18 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48

13:12:02 <newton> s/hadly/hadleybeeman/
13:12:08 <phila> issue-48 resolved on the mailing list http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48

Phil Archer: ISSUE-48 resolved on the mailing list http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/48

13:12:25 <phila> close issue-48

Phil Archer: close ISSUE-48

13:12:26 <trackbot> Closed issue-48.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Closed ISSUE-48.

13:13:08 <deirdrelee> formats-67, examples-56, policy-74, technologies-144

Deirdre Lee: formats-67, examples-56, policy-74, technologies-144

13:13:29 <adler1> what is the general structure of the best practices document

what is the general structure of the best practices document

13:13:32 <phila> issue-67?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-67?

13:13:32 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

13:13:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

13:13:37 <phila> issue-56?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-56?

13:13:37 <trackbot> issue-56 -- We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note? -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-56 -- We need context and examples. do they go into the rec-track documents or into a separate note? -- closed

13:13:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/56

13:13:43 <phila> issue-74?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-74?

13:13:43 <trackbot> issue-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-74 -- Is it in scope to include mention of policy framework etc. as part of the non-normative discussion/editorialisation of the bp doc -- open

13:13:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/74

13:13:46 <phila> issue-144?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-144?

13:13:46 <trackbot> issue-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-144 -- There is a technological bias in several parts of the document -- open

13:13:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/144

13:14:25 <phila> issue-67?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-67?

13:14:25 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

13:14:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

13:14:30 <annette_g> link for 67? not on the list

Annette Greiner: link for 67? not on the list

13:14:35 <adler1> bernadette: I was in Sao Paolo, and we worked through some issues and closed issue-67

Bernadette Farias Loscio: I was in Sao Paolo, and we worked through some issues and closed ISSUE-67

13:14:42 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:15:01 <MTCarrasco> DSV (Delimiter-separated values)

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: DSV (Delimiter-separated values)

13:15:01 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco

13:15:24 <MTCarrasco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delimiter-separated_values

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delimiter-separated_values

13:15:40 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:15:48 <hadleybeeman> ack phila

Hadley Beeman: ack phila

13:16:00 <adler1> phila: you can use tabs or commas to separate things

Phil Archer: you can use tabs or commas to separate things

13:16:11 <adler1> phila: the term everyone uses is CSV

Phil Archer: the term everyone uses is CSV

13:16:30 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:16:33 <ericstephan> I agree that we should broaden the term, but the CSV on the web WG as "Tabular Data".

Eric Stephan: I agree that we should broaden the term, but the CSV on the web WG uses"Tabular Data".

13:16:43 <adler1> phila: when we say CSV we also mean tab and comma, but it may be more accurate to say delimeter separated value

Phil Archer: when we say CSV we also mean tab and comma, but it may be more accurate to say delimeter separated value

13:16:51 <ericstephan> s/ as / uses/
13:17:07 <adler1> CSV is easier

CSV is easier

13:17:10 <hadleybeeman> ack annete

Hadley Beeman: ack annete

13:17:15 <hadleybeeman> ack annette

Hadley Beeman: ack annette

13:17:19 <adler1> no need to use terms people don't often use

no need to use terms people don't often use

13:17:32 <MTCarrasco> Find to use CVS meaning DSV

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Find to use CSV meaning DSV

13:17:34 <adler1> q+

q+

13:17:42 <phila> s/CVS/CSV/
13:17:52 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:18:09 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:18:16 <hadleybeeman> q+ phila

Hadley Beeman: q+ phila

13:18:27 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:18:30 <hadleybeeman> ack adler

Hadley Beeman: ack adler

13:18:33 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1 to confusion

Bart van Leeuwen: +1 to confusion

13:18:41 <hadleybeeman> zakim, adler is adler1

Hadley Beeman: zakim, adler is adler1

13:18:41 <Zakim> +adler1; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +adler1; got it

13:18:52 <ericstephan> http://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/ Tabular data is data that is structured into rows, each of which contains information about some thing.

Eric Stephan: http://www.w3.org/TR/tabular-data-model/ Tabular data is data that is structured into rows, each of which contains information about some thing.

13:19:01 <hadleybeeman> ack annette

Hadley Beeman: ack annette

13:19:21 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

13:19:22 <adler1> annette: we could build a glossary to explain formats

Annette Greiner: we could build a glossary to explain formats

13:19:26 <hadleybeeman> ack mt

Hadley Beeman: ack mt

13:19:35 <MTCarrasco> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute%E2%80%93value_pair

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribute%E2%80%93value_pair

13:20:03 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:20:16 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

13:20:27 <MTCarrasco> Key-value pairs

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Key-value pairs

13:20:31 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre

Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre

13:20:33 <adler1> MTCarrasco: the question includes using key value pairs as a format

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: the question includes using key value pairs as a format

13:20:40 <adler1> q+

q+

13:20:48 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:20:55 <hadleybeeman> ack adler

Hadley Beeman: ack adler

13:21:36 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:21:49 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:21:55 <ericstephan> adler1: There are so many other file types that are used in the open data

Steven Adler: There are so many other file types that are used in the open data [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

13:22:02 <hadleybeeman> ack annette

Hadley Beeman: ack annette

13:22:24 <BernadetteLoscio> +1 to Annette

Bernadette Farias Loscio: +1 to Annette

13:22:26 <adler1> annette: we should avoid key value pairs because it suggests many formats

Annette Greiner: we should avoid key value pairs because it suggests many formats

13:22:29 <hadleybeeman> ack deirdre

Hadley Beeman: ack deirdre

13:23:01 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:23:10 <adler1> deirdrelee: I agree with annette, for the main types of data we can stay with common formats and in Ireland we can name common formats for additional filetypes

Deirdre Lee: I agree with annette, for the main types of data we can stay with common formats and in Ireland we can name common formats for additional filetypes

13:23:18 <phila> q+ to talk about recommended file types

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about recommended file types

13:23:32 <adler1> deirdrelee: there are other filetypes to ack those as well

Deirdre Lee: there are other filetypes to ack those as well

13:23:35 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:23:37 <ericstephan> there are also many other open binary formats that might be useful as well

Eric Stephan: there are also many other open binary formats that might be useful as well

13:23:41 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco

13:23:41 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee

Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee

13:23:45 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

13:23:47 <MTCarrasco> Formats - the most popular - textual: CSV, key-value, JSON, XML

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Formats - the most popular - textual: CSV, key-value, JSON, XML

13:24:08 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:24:10 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:24:10 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about recommended file types

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about recommended file types

13:24:11 <annette_g> JSON = key-value

Annette Greiner: JSON = key-value

13:24:12 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:24:12 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we can mention the most popular file types, csv, key value, xml, json

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we can mention the most popular file types, csv, key value, xml, json

13:24:19 <adler1> phila: RDF too

Phil Archer: RDF too

13:24:45 <MTCarrasco> Graphical - PNG

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Graphical - PNG

13:24:57 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:25:02 <newton> Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_

Newton Calegari: Zakim, Yaso has Caroline_

13:25:02 <Zakim> +Caroline_; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_; got it

13:25:53 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:26:18 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:26:47 <phila> ack ericstephan

Phil Archer: ack ericstephan

13:27:19 <phila> adler1: Makes the point about information needing to be human consumable in things like images, videos and docs etc.

Steven Adler: Makes the point about information needing to be human consumable in things like images, videos and docs etc. [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:27:30 <adler1> ericstephan: original discussions about formats and we should be explicit about file formats

Eric Stephan: original discussions about formats and we should be explicit about file formats

13:27:46 <adler1> ericstephan: maybe we need a document talking about specific formats

Eric Stephan: maybe we need a document talking about specific formats

13:28:17 <adler1> ericstephan: families of formats, like netcdf.  we could go down the road describing all kinds of formats

Eric Stephan: families of formats, like netcdf. we could go down the road describing all kinds of formats

13:28:26 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

13:28:35 <adler1> ericstephan: is there a bucket we could put all the file formats into

Eric Stephan: is there a bucket we could put all the file formats into

13:28:35 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:28:54 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:29:05 <adler1> bernadette: maybe we can find some data formats and create a section in the document and list the most used data formats

Bernadette Farias Loscio: maybe we can find some data formats and create a section in the document and list the most used data formats

13:29:21 <phila> ack deirdrelee

Phil Archer: ack deirdrelee

13:29:21 <adler1> bernadette: i think we can list the main data formats

Bernadette Farias Loscio: i think we can list the main data formats

13:29:22 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+

Bart van Leeuwen: q+

13:30:09 <adler1> deirdrelee: I am not going to disagree with steve.  there is an org in ireland that does archiving for ireland

Deirdre Lee: I am not going to disagree with steve. there is an org in ireland that does archiving for ireland

13:30:20 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q?

13:30:24 <adler1> deirdrelee: we focus on tabular and the org focuses on other file type

Deirdre Lee: we focus on tabular and the org focuses on other file type

13:30:44 <adler1> q+

q+

13:31:16 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:31:25 <Zakim> +??P26

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P26

13:31:25 <ericstephan> +1 deirdrelee maybe a "data catalog"?

Eric Stephan: +1 deirdrelee maybe a "data catalog"?

13:31:26 <adler1> deirdrelee: we could classify formats as open and machine-readable and make a matrix

Deirdre Lee: we could classify formats as open and machine-readable and make a matrix

13:31:45 <adler1> JPEG is far from dead.  as a photographer, I use it all the time

JPEG is far from dead. as a photographer, I use it all the time

13:31:51 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, ??P26 is me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, ??P26 is me

13:31:51 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it

13:31:52 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

13:31:53 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

13:32:31 <adler1> annette: a good idea to include image and video formats, but we should focus on a data format and reference to media files

Annette Greiner: a good idea to include image and video formats, but we should focus on a data format and reference to media files

13:32:36 <phila> ack MTCarrasco

Phil Archer: ack MTCarrasco

13:32:41 <MTCarrasco> The examples must be specific and give examples with the most popular formats: textual, graphics ... at least one for each type

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The examples must be specific and give examples with the most popular formats: textual, graphics ... at least one for each type

13:32:43 <adler1> media files have EXIF metadata

media files have EXIF metadata

13:33:02 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we must use specific examples and most popular formats

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must use specific examples and most popular formats

13:33:02 <MTCarrasco> Also package formats

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Also package formats

13:33:15 <adler1> how to package the things

how to package the things

13:33:20 <MTCarrasco> http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/site/med/tem/

13:33:46 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:34:33 <hadleybeeman> +1 to phila

Hadley Beeman: +1 to phila

13:34:45 <MTCarrasco> Package forma: http://dragoman.org/xdossier

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Package forma: http://dragoman.org/xdossier

13:34:47 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to phil

Riccardo Albertoni: +1 to phil

13:34:55 <adler1> phila: there is an intermediary between the data and a human being, and our remit stops at that intermediary

Phil Archer: there is an intermediary between the data and a human being, and our remit stops at that intermediary

13:35:02 <hadleybeeman> We have to help people publish good, clean, usable data so that developers can make good visualisations, displays, conclusions, etc from it.

Hadley Beeman: We have to help people publish good, clean, usable data so that developers can make good visualisations, displays, conclusions, etc from it.

13:35:07 <ericstephan> scientists also have nasty habits of hanging onto formats that might be considered obsolete by the web publishing community.   non-binary formats are used to be a bridge to those formats

Eric Stephan: scientists also have nasty habits of hanging onto formats that might be considered obsolete by the web publishing community. non-binary formats are used to be a bridge to those formats

13:35:08 <phila> Share-PSI http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/hls/

Phil Archer: Share-PSI http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/hls/

13:35:29 <hadleybeeman> zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: zakim, who is here?

13:35:29 <Zakim> On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, yaso, adler1, BernadetteLoscio, CarlosIglesias

13:35:33 <Zakim> yaso has Caroline_

Zakim IRC Bot: yaso has Caroline_

13:35:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see nathalia_, CarlosIglesias, Caroline_, AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC, yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see nathalia_, CarlosIglesias, Caroline_, AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC, yaso1, antoine, newton, RiccardoAlbertoni, ericstephan, deirdrelee, BernadetteLoscio, MTCarrasco,

13:35:33 <Zakim> ... annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... annette_g, Zakim, RRSAgent, BartvanLeeuwen, adler1, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot

13:35:45 <MTCarrasco> The formats must be human and machine readable -

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The formats must be human and machine readable -

13:35:48 <adler1> the use of media files are well documented in our use cases

the use of media files are well documented in our use cases

13:35:50 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

13:35:51 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

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13:35:53 <CarlosIglesias> multimedia galleries is a quite usual use case for open government data as well

Carlos Iglesias: multimedia galleries is a quite usual use case for open government data as well

13:35:58 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

13:35:58 <deirdrelee> +1

Deirdre Lee: +1

13:36:32 <phila> ack BartvanLeeuwen

Phil Archer: ack BartvanLeeuwen

13:36:38 <adler1> phila: disagrees with adler1nd thinks media files are out of scope for the group

Phil Archer: disagrees with adler1nd thinks media files are out of scope for the group

13:36:40 <MTCarrasco> "Package or Perish"

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: "Package or Perish"

13:36:56 <adler1> bart: how much does a specific file format have on the best practice

Bart van Leeuwen: how much does a specific file format have on the best practice

13:37:04 <hadleybeeman> @mtcarrasco: I don't know much about packaging. When would someone want to do it? What are the use cases?

Hadley Beeman: @mtcarrasco: I don't know much about packaging. When would someone want to do it? What are the use cases?

13:37:04 <ericstephan> good point BartvanLeeuwen

Eric Stephan: good point BartvanLeeuwen

13:37:13 <deirdrelee> q+

Deirdre Lee: q+

13:37:31 <MTCarrasco> Not mentioned formats are not excluded - but we have to be specific

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Not mentioned formats are not excluded - but we have to be specific

13:37:35 <phila> ack adler1

Phil Archer: ack adler1

13:37:42 <ericstephan> of course if you note my comment on the sciences this isn't true

Eric Stephan: of course if you note my comment on the sciences this isn't true

13:38:17 <phila> adler1: CSV is nearly 40 years old as an export format from Lotus

Steven Adler: CSV is nearly 40 years old as an export format from Lotus [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:38:32 <phila> adler1: JPG is used everywhere for images

Steven Adler: JPG is used everywhere for images [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:38:43 <hadleybeeman> steve is brilliantly articulating the reason for the charter for the CSV on the Web working group :)

Hadley Beeman: steve is brilliantly articulating the reason for the charter for the CSV on the Web working group :)

13:38:48 <ericstephan> shapefiles geospatial...

Eric Stephan: shapefiles geospatial...

13:38:54 <phila> ... AVI, MP3 etc are all widely used. Open data is new

Phil Archer: ... AVI, MP3 etc are all widely used. Open data is new

13:39:13 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:39:26 <phila> ... we don't have to catalogue all file formats but we do need to look at our use cases and the file formats that they refer to

Phil Archer: ... we don't have to catalogue all file formats but we do need to look at our use cases and the file formats that they refer to

13:40:10 <phila> ... I like the idea of a table of file formats that may be used and what they can be used for.

Phil Archer: ... I like the idea of a table of file formats that may be used and what they can be used for.

13:40:29 <phila> adler1: Some files have their own metadata file (EXIF etc.)

Steven Adler: Some files have their own metadata file (EXIF etc.) [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:40:35 <phila> ... and we can talk about that.

Phil Archer: ... and we can talk about that.

13:40:49 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

13:40:54 <hadleybeeman> ack adler

Hadley Beeman: ack adler

13:40:57 <MTCarrasco> The Art of Unix Programming - Textuality - http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/textualitychapter.html

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: The Art of Unix Programming - Textuality - http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/textualitychapter.html

13:40:58 <phila> adler1: I think it behoves us to create a glossary of these and where our standards fit

Steven Adler: I think it behoves us to create a glossary of these and where our standards fit [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:41:03 <phila> ack next

Phil Archer: ack next

13:41:09 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:41:46 <adler1> deirdrelee: there are an infinite number of file types, and a lot are specific to systems, and we care about data inter-operability

Deirdre Lee: there are an infinite number of file types, and a lot are specific to systems, and we care about data inter-operability

13:42:03 <ericstephan> Should we ONLY reference file formats that have a syntatic online definition we can referenc?

Eric Stephan: Should we ONLY reference file formats that have a syntatic online definition we can referenc?

13:42:10 <adler1> deirdrelee: we focus on RDF, CSV and they are fit for purpose

Deirdre Lee: we focus on RDF, CSV and they are fit for purpose

13:42:39 <ericstephan> E.g. IETF, W3C links to formats

Eric Stephan: E.g. IETF, W3C links to formats

13:42:43 <phila> ack annette_g

Phil Archer: ack annette_g

13:42:45 <adler1> deirdrelee: our document is a snapshot of what we know and does not exlcude new formats

Deirdre Lee: our document is a snapshot of what we know and does not exlcude new formats

13:43:05 <adler1> annette: I think we are talking about two different things, data vs file format

Annette Greiner: I think we are talking about two different things, data vs file format

13:43:20 <adler1> annette: maybe we need to split that into two different things

Annette Greiner: maybe we need to split that into two different things

13:43:28 <phila> ack next

Phil Archer: ack next

13:43:28 <deirdrelee> q?

Deirdre Lee: q?

13:43:49 <adler1> MTCarrasco: we must create a specific example with specific formats

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: we must create a specific example with specific formats

13:43:49 <hadleybeeman> q+

Hadley Beeman: q+

13:43:50 <ericstephan> q+

Eric Stephan: q+

13:44:04 <ericstephan> q-

Eric Stephan: q-

13:44:11 <adler1> MTCarrasco: the example must be human and machine-readable

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: the example must be human and machine-readable

13:44:17 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:44:18 <phila> ack hadleybeeman

Phil Archer: ack hadleybeeman

13:44:32 <BernadetteLoscio> q-

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q-

13:44:56 <CarlosIglesias> don't think all formats need to be human and machine readable

Carlos Iglesias: don't think all formats need to be human and machine readable

13:45:03 <CarlosIglesias> something nice to have sometimes

Carlos Iglesias: something nice to have sometimes

13:45:04 <adler1> hadley: we have a lot of different topics in this discussion and we should focus on data on the web

Hadley Beeman: we have a lot of different topics in this discussion and we should focus on data on the web

13:45:06 <CarlosIglesias> but not others

Carlos Iglesias: but not others

13:45:29 <CarlosIglesias> even counter-productive in same cases

Carlos Iglesias: even counter-productive in same cases

13:45:31 <MTCarrasco> terminology  data model vs. data model  - http://dragoman.org/format

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terminology data model vs. data model - http://dragoman.org/format

13:45:41 <adler1> JPEG is machine readable

JPEG is machine readable

13:45:49 <MTCarrasco> terminology  data model vs. data format  - http://dragoman.org/format

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terminology data model vs. data format - http://dragoman.org/format

13:46:20 <phila> issue-67?

Phil Archer: ISSUE-67?

13:46:20 <trackbot> issue-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

Trackbot IRC Bot: ISSUE-67 -- Should we include a best practice around which format to use? (csv, json, json-ld, xml, etc.) -- closed

13:46:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

Trackbot IRC Bot: http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/67

13:46:46 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

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13:46:46 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

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13:47:29 <adler1> open a new issue

open a new issue

13:47:52 <adler1> what file formats should we list in our glossary that are human and machine readable

what file formats should we list in our glossary that are human and machine readable

13:47:56 <annette_g> should we add a BP about file formats (as opposed to data formats)?

Annette Greiner: should we add a BP about file formats (as opposed to data formats)?

13:48:00 <adler1> q+

q+

13:48:56 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+

13:49:05 <phila> q-

Phil Archer: q-

13:49:26 <annette_g> +1 to close

Annette Greiner: +1 to close

13:49:36 <newton> Maybe we should create one action to someone to provide examples for the BP. Those examples showing the possible formats that could be used, showing json, xml, csv

Newton Calegari: Maybe we should create one action to someone to provide examples for the BP. Those examples showing the possible formats that could be used, showing json, xml, csv

13:49:39 <phila> ack adler1

Phil Archer: ack adler1

13:49:44 <phila> ack adler

Phil Archer: ack adler

13:50:11 <MTCarrasco> Format is central to data

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Format is central to data

13:50:17 <annette_g> http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats

Annette Greiner: http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#dataFormats

13:50:25 <BernadetteLoscio> q+

Bernadette Farias Loscio: q+

13:50:26 <phila> adler1: I agree that the issue is closed. But today we're tallking about something else. We're looking at discovery, quality etc. And that can include data in any file formats

Steven Adler: I agree that the issue is closed. But today we're tallking about something else. We're looking at discovery, quality etc. And that can include data in any file formats [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ]

13:50:54 <phila> ... these BPs could apply to multiple file types that are both human and machine readable, and that's the criteria for inclusion in the glossary

Phil Archer: ... these BPs could apply to multiple file types that are both human and machine readable, and that's the criteria for inclusion in the glossary

13:50:56 <MTCarrasco> Define data types

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Define data types

13:51:11 <phila> q+ to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs

13:51:14 <MTCarrasco> q+

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: q+

13:51:55 <phila> ack BernadetteLoscio

Phil Archer: ack BernadetteLoscio

13:52:18 <antoine> q+

Antoine Isaac: q+

13:52:38 <adler1> annette: file formats are jpeg and data file formats are csv

Annette Greiner: file formats are jpeg and data file formats are csv

13:53:13 <hadleybeeman> +1 to annette

Hadley Beeman: +1 to annette

13:53:27 <adler1> annette: ASCII is the file format and CSV is the structure

Annette Greiner: ASCII is the file format and CSV is the structure

13:53:56 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me

13:53:56 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about using PDF consistently with our BPs

13:54:04 <phila> Is the requirement specifically relevant to data published on the Web?

Phil Archer: Is the requirement specifically relevant to data published on the Web?

13:54:04 <phila> Does the requirement encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?

Phil Archer: Does the requirement encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?

13:54:04 <phila> Is the requirement testable?

Phil Archer: Is the requirement testable?

13:54:31 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

Bernadette Farias Loscio: zakim, mute BernadetteLoscio

13:54:31 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should now be muted

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13:55:07 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+

13:55:31 <CarlosIglesias> jpeg has also its own structure

Carlos Iglesias: jpeg has also its own structure

13:55:41 <CarlosIglesias> why it is not a "data format"?

Carlos Iglesias: why it is not a "data format"?

13:55:55 <adler1> phila: if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for

Phil Archer: if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for people, not machines, it works against re-use

13:56:12 <hadleybeeman> @CarlosIglesias, how can jpegs be reused? :)

Hadley Beeman: @CarlosIglesias, how can jpegs be reused? :)

13:56:23 <adler1> photos are machine searchable today for faces, buildings, and text

photos are machine searchable today for faces, buildings, and text

13:56:24 <annette_g> q-

Annette Greiner: q-

13:56:26 <hadleybeeman> (or rather, how can the data in jpegs be reused)

Hadley Beeman: (or rather, how can the data in jpegs be reused)

13:56:32 <CarlosIglesias> for multimedia content

Carlos Iglesias: for multimedia content

13:56:44 <yaso1> Agree with phil, maybe put metadata on the image, on the video, on the gif, but that's all

Yaso Córdova: Agree with phil, maybe put metadata on the image, on the video, on the gif, but that's all

13:56:44 <CarlosIglesias> through the associated metadata

Carlos Iglesias: through the associated metadata

13:56:49 <ericstephan> images are analyzed for electron microscopy , new instruments are producing 100,000 images a second that need to be analyzed by machines.

Eric Stephan: images are analyzed for electron microscopy , new instruments are producing 100,000 images a second that need to be analyzed by machines.

13:56:54 <hadleybeeman> q?

Hadley Beeman: q?

13:57:01 <CarlosIglesias> in fact they are one of the most reused formats

Carlos Iglesias: in fact they are one of the most reused formats

13:57:27 <CarlosIglesias> you can reuse the full image, not necessary just some bits

Carlos Iglesias: you can reuse the full image, not necessary just some bits

13:57:29 <MTCarrasco> Define data model, file format, data format, data type

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: Define data model, file format, data format, data type

13:57:33 <hadleybeeman> ack mt

Hadley Beeman: ack mt

13:58:18 <phila> s/ if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for/ if you publish data in pdf you are publishing information for people, not machines, it works against re-use/
13:58:30 <annette_g> we can define terms in the intro, too

Annette Greiner: we can define terms in the intro, too

13:58:39 <hadleybeeman> ack antoine

Hadley Beeman: ack antoine

13:58:41 <BernadetteLoscio> zakim, unmute BernadetteLoscio

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13:58:41 <Zakim> BernadetteLoscio should no longer be muted

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13:58:56 <MTCarrasco> file format and data format: the same

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: file format and data format: the same

13:59:11 <adler1> antoine: in the some of the use case, DQ mentions quality of type and features

Antoine Isaac: in the some of the use case, DQ mentions quality of type and features

13:59:37 <ericstephan> Its a really interesting discussion publishing for humans/machines

Eric Stephan: Its a really interesting discussion publishing for humans/machines

13:59:45 <hadleybeeman> +1 to ericstephan

Hadley Beeman: +1 to ericstephan

13:59:47 <adler1> antoine: idea to sort the issue of different file types to consider DQ and if it makes sense for these files

Antoine Isaac: idea to sort the issue of different file types to consider DQ and if it makes sense for these files

14:00:07 <adler1> indeed it is critically important to validate DQ in images and video which are constantly abused

indeed it is critically important to validate DQ in images and video which are constantly abused

14:00:08 <phila> I like that antoine

Phil Archer: I like that antoine

14:00:12 <ericstephan> BernadetteLoscio: perhaps this is a data usage vocab item?

Bernadette Farias Loscio: perhaps this is a data usage vocab item? [ Scribe Assist by Eric Stephan ]

14:00:22 <MTCarrasco> data quality: format quality and content quality

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: data quality: format quality and content quality

14:00:34 <adler1> I could send you all terabytes of fraudulent images and video

I could send you all terabytes of fraudulent images and video

14:00:47 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Glossary

Bernadette Farias Loscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Glossary

14:00:48 <MTCarrasco> terms +1

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: terms +1

14:00:48 <adler1> 80% ofall internet traffic is media

80% ofall internet traffic is media

14:00:52 <hadleybeeman> me, bye antoine!

Hadley Beeman: me, bye antoine!

14:01:00 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine

14:01:16 <deirdrelee> +1. A glossary will address all these issues: 52, 59, 68, 80, 82, 133

Deirdre Lee: +1. A glossary will address all these issues: 52, 59, 68, 80, 82, 133

14:01:21 <adler1> +1

+1

14:01:31 <adler1> thank you

thank you

14:01:37 <Caroline_> bye!

Caroline Burle: bye!

14:01:48 <adler1> bank holiday next week

bank holiday next week

14:02:00 <adler1> cancelling call next week

cancelling call next week

14:02:00 <Caroline_> it will be Holliday in Brazil

Caroline Burle: it will be Holliday in Brazil

14:02:03 <phila> Easter Friday is a holiday in many countries so no call next week

Phil Archer: Easter Friday is a holiday in many countries so no call next week

14:02:12 <Caroline_> ok

Caroline Burle: ok

14:02:18 <AdrianoC-UFMG> Thanks, all!

Adriano Pereira: Thanks, all!

14:02:20 <ericstephan> yeah for sleeping in!

Eric Stephan: yeah for sleeping in!

14:02:52 <ericstephan> We need a F2F agenda still?

Eric Stephan: We need a F2F agenda still?

14:02:52 <yaso1> Bye! Happy easter and eat chocolates!

Yaso Córdova: Bye! Happy easter and eat chocolates!

14:02:55 <CarlosIglesias> bye!

Carlos Iglesias: bye!

14:02:57 <adler1> thanks everyone

thanks everyone

14:02:58 <Zakim> -adler1

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14:02:58 <MTCarrasco> bye

Manuel Carrasco Benitez: bye

14:03:00 <Zakim> -deirdrelee

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14:03:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye

Riccardo Albertoni: bye

14:03:02 <Zakim> -phila

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14:03:03 <Zakim> -MTCarrasco

Zakim IRC Bot: -MTCarrasco

14:03:04 <Zakim> -BernadetteLoscio

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14:03:04 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

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14:03:05 <annette_g> bye

Annette Greiner: bye

14:03:06 <Zakim> -BartvanLeeuwen

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14:03:06 <Zakim> -ericstephan

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14:03:09 <Zakim> -yaso

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14:03:12 <Zakim> -annette_g

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14:03:20 <phila> trackbot end meeting

Phil Archer: trackbot end meeting

14:03:20 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

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14:03:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,

14:03:23 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias

14:03:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:03:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot

14:03:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

14:03:42 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public

14:03:46 <phila> trackbot end meeting

Phil Archer: trackbot end meeting

14:03:46 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees

Trackbot IRC Bot: Zakim, list attendees

14:03:46 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,

Zakim IRC Bot: As of this point the attendees have been BartvanLeeuwen, phila, MTCarrasco, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, deirdrelee, RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, adler1, newton,

14:03:50 <Zakim> ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: ... BernadetteLoscio, Caroline_, CarlosIglesias

14:03:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:03:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/03/27-dwbp-minutes.html trackbot

14:03:55 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye

Trackbot IRC Bot: RRSAgent, bye

14:03:55 <RRSAgent> I see no action items

RRSAgent IRC Bot: I see no action items



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