Meeting Record

DWBP Weekly

Minutes of 06 February 2015

Agenda

https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150205

Seen

Adriano Pereira, Annette Greiner, Antoine Isaac, Carlos Iglesias, Carlos Laufer, Caroline Burle, Christophe Gueret, Deirdre Lee, Eric Kauz, Eric Stephan, Hadley Beeman, Jeremy Debattista, Joao Almeida, Phil Archer, Steven Adler, Unknown adrianov-UFMG, Unknown cgueret.a, Unknown newton, Unknown newton_, Vagner Diniz, Yaso Córdova

Chair

Hadley Beeman

Scribe

Deirdre Lee

IRC Log

Original

Resolutions

the next f2f will take place on 13-15 april link
Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”? link
Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”? link
Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”? link
That we include RFC2119 keywords, at least for now, and that they be applied to the subheading of each best practice link

Topics

f2f meeting
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13:56:50 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/02/06-dwbp-irc

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13:56:56 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public

Phil Archer: RRSAgent, make logs public ←

13:57:02 <phila> zakim, this will be dwbp

Phil Archer: zakim, this will be dwbp ←

13:57:02 <Zakim> ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

Zakim IRC Bot: ok, phila; I see DATA_DWBP()9:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes ←

13:57:25 <Zakim> DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started

Zakim IRC Bot: DATA_DWBP()9:00AM has now started ←

13:57:32 <Zakim> + +1.609.557.aaaa

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13:59:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:00:03 <deirdrelee> zakim, [ipcaller] is me

Deirdre Lee: zakim, [ipcaller] is me ←

14:00:03 <Zakim> +deirdrelee; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +deirdrelee; got it ←

14:00:47 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:00:52 <phila> zakim, [ is me

Phil Archer: zakim, [ is me ←

14:00:52 <Zakim> +phila; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +phila; got it ←

14:01:24 <Zakim> +Caroline_

Zakim IRC Bot: +Caroline_ ←

14:01:30 <yaso> Zakim, Caroline is Yaso

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, Caroline is Yaso ←

14:01:30 <Zakim> +Yaso; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Yaso; got it ←

14:02:02 <Zakim> + +1.510.384.aabb

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.510.384.aabb ←

14:02:18 <annette_g> zakim, .aabb is me

Annette Greiner: zakim, .aabb is me ←

14:02:18 <Zakim> sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, annette_g, I do not recognize a party named '.aabb' ←

14:02:31 <annette_g> zakim, aabb is me

Annette Greiner: zakim, aabb is me ←

14:02:31 <Zakim> +annette_g; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +annette_g; got it ←

14:02:35 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

14:02:42 <Zakim> +??P21

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P21 ←

14:02:52 <cgueret> zakim, ??P21 is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??P21 is me ←

14:02:53 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←

14:03:03 <phila> zakim, who is noisy?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is noisy? ←

14:03:04 <annette_g> somebody needs to mute

Annette Greiner: somebody needs to mute ←

14:03:15 <Zakim> phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.609.557.aaaa (48%), HadleyBeeman (35%)

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.609.557.aaaa (48%), HadleyBeeman (35%) ←

14:03:17 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←

14:03:17 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←

14:03:44 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150206

14:04:01 <Zakim> -cgueret

Zakim IRC Bot: -cgueret ←

14:04:12 <Zakim> + +1.509.554.aacc

Zakim IRC Bot: + +1.509.554.aacc ←

14:04:27 <phila> phila has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150205

Phil Archer: phila has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150205 ←

14:04:32 <ericstephan> zakim, +aacc is me

Eric Stephan: zakim, +aacc is me ←

14:04:32 <Zakim> sorry, ericstephan, I do not recognize a party named '+aacc'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, ericstephan, I do not recognize a party named '+aacc' ←

14:04:38 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150205

14:04:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:04:43 <ericstephan> zakim,  aacc is me

Eric Stephan: zakim, aacc is me ←

14:04:43 <Zakim> +ericstephan; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +ericstephan; got it ←

14:04:46 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:04:46 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←

14:04:48 <Zakim> +??P28

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P28 ←

14:04:54 <cgueret> zakim, ??P28 is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, ??P28 is me ←

14:04:54 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←

14:04:56 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←

14:04:56 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←

14:05:08 <Zakim> +??P31

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P31 ←

14:05:20 <phila> meeting: DWBP Weekly

14:05:28 <yaso> Zakim, yaso has caroline and newton

Yaso Córdova: Zakim, yaso has caroline and newton ←

14:05:28 <Zakim> +caroline, newton; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +caroline, newton; got it ←

14:05:31 <jerdeb> Zakim, ??P31 is me

Jeremy Debattista: Zakim, ??P31 is me ←

14:05:31 <Zakim> +jerdeb; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +jerdeb; got it ←

14:05:34 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:05:47 <laufer> zakim, IPcaller is me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:05:47 <Zakim> +laufer; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +laufer; got it ←

14:05:56 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:06:01 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Zakim, IPcaller is me

Joao Almeida: Zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:06:01 <Zakim> +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +JoaoPauloAlmeida; got it ←

14:06:07 <laufer> zakim, mute me

Carlos Laufer: zakim, mute me ←

14:06:07 <Zakim> laufer should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: laufer should now be muted ←

14:07:00 <deirdrelee> i can scribe

Deirdre Lee: i can scribe ←

14:07:12 <phila> scribe: deirdrelee

(Scribe set to Deirdre Lee)

14:07:18 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:07:24 <phila> chair: Hadley

14:07:29 <cgueret> zakim, [IPcaller] is me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, [IPcaller] is me ←

14:07:29 <Zakim> +cgueret; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +cgueret; got it ←

14:07:31 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←

14:07:31 <Zakim> cgueret was already muted, cgueret

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret was already muted, cgueret ←

14:07:51 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30 Last week's minutes

Phil Archer: -> http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30 Last week's minutes ←

14:08:00 <deirdrelee> Propose: accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30

Scribe problem: the name 'Propose' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown Propose: accept last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30 ←

14:08:03 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

14:08:04 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1 ←

14:08:04 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1 ←

14:08:05 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

14:08:06 <hadleybeeman> +0 (absent)

Hadley Beeman: +0 (absent) ←

14:08:06 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←

14:08:07 <AdrianoC-UFMG> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1 ←

14:08:09 <phila> s/propose/proposed/

Phil Archer: s/propose/proposed/ (warning: replacement failed) ←

14:08:11 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1 ←

14:08:12 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1 ←

14:08:32 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1 ←

14:08:33 <deirdrelee> +1

+1 ←

14:08:33 <newton> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'newton' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown newton: +1 ←

14:08:36 <deirdrelee> accepted: last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30

Scribe problem: the name 'approved' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown approved: last week's minutes http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-01-30 ←

14:08:49 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Our current meeting page says "05-Feb" when it should say "06-Feb". Same in the URL.

Joao Almeida: Our current meeting page says "05-Feb" when it should say "06-Feb". Same in the URL. ←

14:08:54 <deirdrelee> s/accepted/approved

14:08:56 <Eric_Kauz> zakim, aaaa is me

Eric Kauz: zakim, aaaa is me ←

14:08:56 <Zakim> +Eric_Kauz; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +Eric_Kauz; got it ←

14:09:01 <laufer> s/accepted/resolved/

14:09:02 <deirdrelee> topic: f2f meeting

1. f2f meeting

14:09:07 <phila> s/approved/resolved/

14:09:36 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: there are two days suggested for f2f in april, we need to decide today!

Hadley Beeman: there are two days suggested for f2f in april, we need to decide today! ←

14:09:56 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Choosing_the_venue_for_a_F2F_2015_hosted_by_NIC.br Wiki page with options for f2f

Phil Archer: -> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Choosing_the_venue_for_a_F2F_2015_hosted_by_NIC.br Wiki page with options for f2f ←

14:09:56 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Choosing_the_venue_for_a_F2F_2015_hosted_by_NIC.br

Joao Almeida: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Choosing_the_venue_for_a_F2F_2015_hosted_by_NIC.br ←

14:10:01 <deirdrelee> ...because each meeting needs 8 wks advance so that people can organise travel

...because each meeting needs 8 wks advance so that people can organise travel ←

14:10:27 <deirdrelee> ...the suggested dates are april 6-8 or 13-14

...the suggested dates are april 6-8 or 13-14 ←

14:10:37 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I think we can vote

Joao Almeida: I think we can vote ←

14:10:41 <deirdrelee> ... in sao paulo. should we vote on that now?

... in sao paulo. should we vote on that now? ←

14:10:48 <ericstephan> :-) sleepy here

Eric Stephan: :-) sleepy here ←

14:10:57 <deirdrelee> ... vote for 13-15 april, as that's more popular

... vote for 13-15 april, as that's more popular ←

14:11:07 <hadleybeeman> Fair enough, ericstephan :)

Hadley Beeman: Fair enough, ericstephan :) ←

14:11:17 <yaso> q+

Yaso Córdova: q+ ←

14:11:19 <deirdrelee> phila: are there any other suggestions that we want to consider today? or is the choice those 2 dates in brasil?

Phil Archer: are there any other suggestions that we want to consider today? or is the choice those 2 dates in brasil? ←

14:11:26 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: happy to take other suggestions

Hadley Beeman: happy to take other suggestions ←

14:11:28 <hadleybeeman> Ack yasi

Hadley Beeman: Ack yasi ←

14:11:34 <hadleybeeman> Ack yasi

Hadley Beeman: Ack yasi ←

14:11:44 <phila> ack yaso

Phil Archer: ack yaso ←

14:11:52 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+

Joao Almeida: q+ ←

14:11:56 <phila> q+ to talk about TPAC

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about TPAC ←

14:12:01 <deirdrelee> yaso: if we can't get enough people to come to brasil, we can also consider europe or U.S.

Yaso Córdova: if we can't get enough people to come to brasil, we can also consider europe or U.S. ←

14:12:22 <vagner> How many more particpants would we get hosting F2F in Europe or USA?

Vagner Diniz: How many more particpants would we get hosting F2F in Europe or USA? ←

14:12:48 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: when he looked at the names, many people from abroad said it was unlikely they could join, and that's not good

Eric Stephan: when he looked at the names, many people from abroad said it was unlikely they could join, and that's not good ←

14:13:23 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: if the meeting is in europe, it's more likely for europeans to join, but then it's difficult for those from south america to travel

Hadley Beeman: if the meeting is in europe, it's more likely for europeans to join, but then it's difficult for those from south america to travel ←

14:13:27 <cgueret> q+ to propose two remotely-connected f2f

Christophe Gueret: q+ to propose two remotely-connected f2f ←

14:13:28 <deirdrelee> ...and that's not fair either

...and that's not fair either ←

14:13:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> ack me

Joao Almeida: ack me ←

14:13:40 <phila> q- later

Phil Archer: q- later ←

14:13:44 <cgueret> zakim, ack me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, ack me ←

14:13:44 <Zakim> unmuting cgueret

Zakim IRC Bot: unmuting cgueret ←

14:13:45 <Zakim> cgueret, you wanted to propose two remotely-connected f2f

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret, you wanted to propose two remotely-connected f2f ←

14:13:45 <Zakim> I see phila on the speaker queue

Zakim IRC Bot: I see phila on the speaker queue ←

14:13:49 <ericstephan> @deirdre I believe that might have been vagner speaking?

Eric Stephan: @deirdre I believe that might have been vagner speaking? ←

14:14:19 <deirdrelee> cgueret: maybe there could be two locations for f2f, so that it's easier to travel

Christophe Gueret: maybe there could be two locations for f2f, so that it's easier to travel ←

14:14:23 <cgueret> zakim, mute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, mute me ←

14:14:23 <Zakim> cgueret should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should now be muted ←

14:14:43 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: it would be difficult with time zones

Hadley Beeman: it would be difficult with time zones ←

14:14:59 <cgueret> :-/

Christophe Gueret: :-/ ←

14:15:09 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:15:09 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about TPAC

Zakim IRC Bot: phila, you wanted to talk about TPAC ←

14:15:16 <deirdrelee> ... there was a GLD meeting that was in two places, it was okay, but a challenge to participate actively

... there was a GLD meeting that was in two places, it was okay, but a challenge to participate actively ←

14:15:25 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> time zone difference Europe-Brazil will be 5 hours in April

Joao Almeida: time zone difference Europe-Brazil will be 5 hours in April ←

14:15:55 <deirdrelee> phila: not uncommon for other WGs to do this, for exactly the issues we are facing here

Phil Archer: not uncommon for other WGs to do this, for exactly the issues we are facing here ←

14:16:32 <deirdrelee> ...it was good, as there was video conference

...it was good, as there was video conference ←

14:16:51 <deirdrelee> ...time zones aren't extreme, only 3 hours apart

...time zones aren't extreme, only 3 hours apart ←

14:16:57 <deirdrelee> laufer: it's 5 hours

Joao Almeida: it's 5 hours ←

14:17:01 <deirdrelee> ..diff

..diff ←

14:17:08 <ericstephan> The idea of video conference sounds appealing

Eric Stephan: The idea of video conference sounds appealing ←

14:17:09 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> s/laufer/JoaoPauloAlmeida

14:17:11 <deirdrelee> phila: ok, not ideal, but doable

Phil Archer: ok, not ideal, but doable ←

14:17:25 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: steve is offering ibm space

Hadley Beeman: steve is offering ibm space ←

14:17:40 <deirdrelee> ...but maybe he could offer ibm space in europe

...but maybe he could offer ibm space in europe ←

14:17:46 <vagner> Those who wrote that will not attend due to budget constraints to travel out of Europe could tell us if they would attend F2F in Europe

Vagner Diniz: Those who wrote that will not attend due to budget constraints to travel out of Europe could tell us if they would attend F2F in Europe ←

14:17:53 <deirdrelee> ...a dual-citied approach may not a bad event

...a dual-citied approach may not a bad approach ←

14:17:57 <cgueret> zakim, unmute me

Christophe Gueret: zakim, unmute me ←

14:17:57 <Zakim> cgueret should no longer be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: cgueret should no longer be muted ←

14:18:03 <deirdrelee> s/event/approach

14:18:08 <Zakim> +??P39

Zakim IRC Bot: +??P39 ←

14:18:12 <ericstephan> traveling beyond country borders is such a bother for my company.  I am sad to say.

Eric Stephan: traveling beyond country borders is such a bother for my company. I am sad to say. ←

14:18:24 <phila> zakim, mute ??P39

Phil Archer: zakim, mute ??P39 ←

14:18:24 <Zakim> ??P39 should now be muted

Zakim IRC Bot: ??P39 should now be muted ←

14:18:24 <annette_g> mine, too

Annette Greiner: mine, too ←

14:18:36 <deirdrelee> cgueret: bart had suggested before that they could provide a location in amsterdam

Christophe Gueret: bart had suggested before that they could provide a location in amsterdam ←

14:18:41 <AdrianoC-UFMG> ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG

Adriano Pereira: ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:18:42 <deirdrelee> ...they could have a look and report back

...they could have a look and report back ←

14:18:52 <phila> I can ask Ivan at CWI

Phil Archer: I can ask Ivan at CWI ←

14:18:58 <phila> (also Amsterdam)

Phil Archer: (also Amsterdam) ←

14:19:08 <AdrianoC-UFMG> zakim, AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG

Adriano Pereira: zakim, AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG ←

14:19:08 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianoC-UFMG, I do not recognize a party named 'AdrianoC-UFMG'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AdrianoC-UFMG, I do not recognize a party named 'AdrianoC-UFMG' ←

14:19:15 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: perhaps we whould tentatively commit to f2f on 13-15 april

Hadley Beeman: perhaps we whould tentatively commit to f2f on 13-15 april ←

14:19:34 <phila> zakim, who is here?

Phil Archer: zakim, who is here? ←

14:19:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, phila, Yaso, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, antoine, cgueret, jerdeb, laufer (muted), JoaoPauloAlmeida, cgueret.a, ??P39 (muted)

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, phila, Yaso, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, antoine, cgueret, jerdeb, laufer (muted), JoaoPauloAlmeida, cgueret.a, ??P39 (muted) ←

14:19:35 <Caroline_> +1 to commit the face to face the week of April 13-15

Caroline Burle: +1 to commit the face to face the week of April 13-15 ←

14:19:35 <deirdrelee> ...and spend the next week looking at venues

...and spend the next week looking at venues ←

14:19:37 <Zakim> Yaso has caroline, newton

Zakim IRC Bot: Yaso has caroline, newton ←

14:19:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, newton_, newton, vagner, adrianov-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG, Caroline_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, laufer, antoine, jerdeb, ericstephan, yaso, cgueret, annette_g,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, newton_, newton, vagner, adrianov-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG, Caroline_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, laufer, antoine, jerdeb, ericstephan, yaso, cgueret, annette_g, ←

14:19:37 <Zakim> ... Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot ←

14:19:52 <newton_> Zakim, newton is newton_

Scribe problem: the name 'newton_' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown newton_: Zakim, newton is newton_ ←

14:19:52 <Zakim> sorry, newton_, I do not recognize a party named 'newton'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, newton_, I do not recognize a party named 'newton' ←

14:19:57 <annette_g> probably too far, because a different country

Annette Greiner: probably too far, because a different country ←

14:20:00 <deirdrelee> ...if we had a f2f in south america or europe, would that be helpful?

...if we had a f2f in south america or europe, would that be helpful? ←

14:20:10 <AdrianoC-UFMG> Zakim, P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG

Adriano Pereira: Zakim, P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:20:11 <Zakim> sorry, AdrianoC-UFMG, I do not recognize a party named 'P39'

Zakim IRC Bot: sorry, AdrianoC-UFMG, I do not recognize a party named 'P39' ←

14:20:22 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: even going across the border to british columbia is a hassle, it's just the paperwork is a hassle

Eric Stephan: even going across the border to british columbia is a hassle, it's just the paperwork is a hassle ←

14:20:24 <phila> Zakim, ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG

Phil Archer: Zakim, ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:20:24 <Zakim> +AdrianoC-UFMG; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +AdrianoC-UFMG; got it ←

14:20:41 <phila> q+

Phil Archer: q+ ←

14:20:47 <deirdrelee> ...i can certainly check into it,, but will be a hassle

...i can certainly check into it,, but will be a hassle ←

14:21:07 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:21:14 <deirdrelee> phila: if we do that, i'll have a terrible time deciding where to go.

Phil Archer: if we do that, i'll have a terrible time deciding where to go. ←

14:21:25 <CarlosIglesias> zakim, IPcaller is really me

Carlos Iglesias: zakim, IPcaller is really me ←

14:21:25 <Zakim> +CarlosIglesias; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +CarlosIglesias; got it ←

14:21:25 <deirdrelee> ...everyone working on limited budget & time

...everyone working on limited budget & time ←

14:21:39 <deirdrelee> ...if we go ahead with dual meeting, that seems to be a practical thing to do

...if we go ahead with dual meeting, that seems to be a practical thing to do ←

14:21:40 <phila> -> http://www.sora-scc.jp/eng/index.html TPAC

Phil Archer: -> http://www.sora-scc.jp/eng/index.html TPAC ←

14:21:40 <vagner> q+

Vagner Diniz: q+ ←

14:21:45 <Caroline_> Zakim, yaso has vagner

Caroline Burle: Zakim, yaso has vagner ←

14:21:45 <Zakim> +vagner; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +vagner; got it ←

14:21:53 <hadleybeeman> Ack phila

Hadley Beeman: Ack phila ←

14:21:59 <deirdrelee> ...worth noting, this year's tpac is in japan,

...worth noting, this year's tpac is in japan, ←

14:22:08 <laufer>  /me if we have two sites, maybe only brazilians would be in brazil...

Carlos Laufer: /me if we have two sites, maybe only brazilians would be in brazil... ←

14:22:24 <deirdrelee> ...will this effect our decision for going to sao paolo, if we're thinking of having 2nd f2f then

...will this effect our decision for going to sao paolo, if we're thinking of having 2nd f2f then ←

14:22:35 <hadleybeeman> Ack vagner

Hadley Beeman: Ack vagner ←

14:22:41 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: having a f2f at tpac is worth it, meeting other WGs, etc.

Hadley Beeman: having a f2f at tpac is worth it, meeting other WGs, etc. ←

14:22:45 <AdrianoC-UFMG> zakim, ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG

Adriano Pereira: zakim, ??P39 is AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:22:45 <Zakim> I already had ??P39 as AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG

Zakim IRC Bot: I already had ??P39 as AdrianoC-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:23:42 <deirdrelee> vagner: considering the geo issues of the f2f is important, but we have to be practical, where is the place that will attract more of the active members of the WG

Vagner Diniz: considering the geo issues of the f2f is important, but we have to be practical, where is the place that will attract more of the active members of the WG ←

14:23:48 <AdrianoC-UFMG> zakim, AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG

Adriano Pereira: zakim, AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG ←

14:23:48 <Zakim> +adrianov-UFMG; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +adrianov-UFMG; got it ←

14:23:51 <hadleybeeman> Q?

Hadley Beeman: Q? ←

14:24:06 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to vagner

Joao Almeida: +1 to vagner ←

14:24:07 <deirdrelee> ...if we will take decisions at the f2f meeting on specific issues, it's important that those people are present

...if we will take decisions at the f2f meeting on specific issues, it's important that those people are present ←

14:24:12 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, who is here?

Hadley Beeman: Zakim, who is here? ←

14:24:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, phila, Yaso, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, antoine, cgueret, jerdeb, laufer (muted), JoaoPauloAlmeida, cgueret.a, AdrianoC-UFMG

Zakim IRC Bot: On the phone I see Eric_Kauz, deirdrelee, phila, Yaso, annette_g, HadleyBeeman, ericstephan, antoine, cgueret, jerdeb, laufer (muted), JoaoPauloAlmeida, cgueret.a, AdrianoC-UFMG ←

14:24:15 <Zakim> ... (muted), CarlosIglesias

Zakim IRC Bot: ... (muted), CarlosIglesias ←

14:24:15 <Zakim> AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG

Zakim IRC Bot: AdrianoC-UFMG has adrianov-UFMG ←

14:24:15 <Zakim> Yaso has vagner

Zakim IRC Bot: Yaso has vagner ←

14:24:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, newton_, vagner, adrianov-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG, Caroline_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, laufer, antoine, jerdeb, ericstephan, yaso, cgueret, annette_g, Eric_Kauz,

Zakim IRC Bot: On IRC I see CarlosIglesias, newton_, vagner, adrianov-UFMG, AdrianoC-UFMG, Caroline_, JoaoPauloAlmeida, laufer, antoine, jerdeb, ericstephan, yaso, cgueret, annette_g, Eric_Kauz, ←

14:24:16 <Zakim> ... deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot

Zakim IRC Bot: ... deirdrelee, RRSAgent, Zakim, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, sandro, trackbot ←

14:24:24 <deirdrelee> ...having a look at the wiki, many europeans won't be able to attend because of budget restrictions

...having a look at the wiki, many europeans won't be able to attend because of budget restrictions ←

14:24:36 <deirdrelee> ... but there are many europeans in the group

... but there are many europeans in the group ←

14:24:50 <deirdrelee> ...maybe there is the possibility that more brasilians can travel

...maybe there is the possibility that more brasilians can travel ←

14:25:08 <deirdrelee> ...so if the meeting was in europe, might allow more people to attend

...so if the meeting was in europe, might allow more people to attend ←

14:25:35 <deirdrelee> ...choosing just based on region may not be the best criteria to decide where the meeting is

...choosing just based on region may not be the best criteria to decide where the meeting is ←

14:26:05 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: we usually try to rotate locations to be more inclusive. phil, what's the norm in other groups?

Hadley Beeman: we usually try to rotate locations to be more inclusive. phil, what's the norm in other groups? ←

14:26:17 <adler1> I am double booked and can only participate via chat

Steven Adler: I am double booked and can only participate via chat ←

14:26:28 <ericstephan> I agree Phil!

Eric Stephan: I agree Phil! ←

14:26:44 <cgueret> +1 to phil

Christophe Gueret: +1 to phil ←

14:26:47 <deirdrelee> phila: there's no written rules, there are more brasilians in this group than in others, but it just feels right for us to hold a f2f in brasil

Phil Archer: there's no written rules, there are more brasilians in this group than in others, but it just feels right for us to hold a f2f in brasil ←

14:26:49 <adler1> but I want to voice my preference that we meet in Brazil in April

Steven Adler: but I want to voice my preference that we meet in Brazil in April ←

14:27:00 <adler1> I want to see the country where my teammates work

Steven Adler: I want to see the country where my teammates work ←

14:27:04 <deirdrelee> ... a halfway point would be lisbon

... a halfway point would be lisbon ←

14:27:10 <deirdrelee> q+

q+ ←

14:27:29 <cgueret> +1 for a f2f on a boat ^_^

Christophe Gueret: +1 for a f2f on a boat ^_^ ←

14:27:36 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: connectivity might be a problem, connecting to zakim

Hadley Beeman: connectivity might be a problem, connecting to zakim ←

14:27:48 <adler1> Lisbon is an acceptable alternative if only because they speak portugese, the city is lovely, and the weather is quite fine

Steven Adler: Lisbon is an acceptable alternative if only because they speak portugese, the city is lovely, and the weather is quite fine ←

14:27:48 <vagner> q+

Vagner Diniz: q+ ←

14:27:48 <deirdrelee> ... Steve also suggested New York

... Steve also suggested New York ←

14:28:07 <cgueret> for me New York or Sao Polo is the same...

Christophe Gueret: for me New York or Sao Polo is the same... ←

14:28:13 <antoine> +1

Antoine Isaac: +1 ←

14:28:20 <CarlosIglesias> same problems for Brazil or EEUU, not much difference for me

Carlos Iglesias: same problems for Brazil or EEUU, not much difference for me ←

14:28:24 <adler1> if the group decides other than my preferences, IBM stands ready to host wherever the group decides

Steven Adler: if the group decides other than my preferences, IBM stands ready to host wherever the group decides ←

14:29:16 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: it might be difficult to find a venue in lisbon

Deirdre Lee: it might be difficult to find a venue in lisbon ←

14:29:29 <phila> q?

Phil Archer: q? ←

14:29:38 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: is anyone against new york?

Hadley Beeman: is anyone against new york? ←

14:29:40 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee

ack deirdrelee ←

14:29:50 <adler1> IBM Lisbon: Rua Mar da China Lote 1.07.2.3, 1990-138 Lisboa, Portugal

Steven Adler: IBM Lisbon: Rua Mar da China Lote 1.07.2.3, 1990-138 Lisboa, Portugal ←

14:29:50 <Eric_Kauz> New York Where?

Eric Kauz: New York Where? ←

14:30:00 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: New York as an only venue, or a second venue for dual meeting

Deirdre Lee: New York as an only venue, or a second venue for dual meeting ←

14:30:05 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: either or

Hadley Beeman: either or ←

14:30:07 <phila> At an IBM installation, Eric_Kauz

Phil Archer: At an IBM installation, Eric_Kauz ←

14:30:16 <adler1> In New York, I can host at Civic Hall on 20th & 5th Avenue

Steven Adler: In New York, I can host at Civic Hall on 20th & 5th Avenue ←

14:30:30 <hadleybeeman> @adler1: where in New York could you host?

Hadley Beeman: @adler1: where in New York could you host? ←

14:31:04 <adler1> or at IBM on 57th street, but internet is awkward at that location.  But NY is so easy for me.  I have so many friends with space

Steven Adler: or at IBM on 57th street, but internet is awkward at that location. But NY is so easy for me. I have so many friends with space ←

14:31:09 <ericstephan> Yes I can hear as well

Eric Stephan: Yes I can hear as well ←

14:31:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I can hear

Joao Almeida: I can hear ←

14:31:30 <ericstephan> I can hear the birds too :-)

Eric Stephan: I can hear the birds too :-) ←

14:31:56 <deirdrelee> vagner: we should ask where is the place that can attract more people

Vagner Diniz: we should ask where is the place that can attract more people ←

14:32:09 <Zakim> -HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: -HadleyBeeman ←

14:32:13 <deirdrelee> ..my feeling is europe is the best place, not necessarily new york

..my feeling is europe is the best place, not necessarily new york ←

14:32:30 <Zakim> +HadleyBeeman

Zakim IRC Bot: +HadleyBeeman ←

14:32:45 <deirdrelee> ...let's focus on europe for now, if it really is the best place

...let's focus on europe for now, if it really is the best place ←

14:33:03 <deirdrelee> ...if we host the f2f meeting in lisbon, do we have a venue?

...if we host the f2f meeting in lisbon, do we have a venue? ←

14:33:29 <deirdrelee> ...steve posted a link to ibm lisbon, that could be the venue

...steve posted a link to ibm lisbon, that could be the venue ←

14:33:42 <ericstephan> +1 even with my travel constraints its better to alternate countries, I'll just have to deal with it.

Eric Stephan: +1 even with my travel constraints its better to alternate countries, I'll just have to deal with it. ←

14:33:51 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←

14:33:59 <deirdrelee> ...we should ask everyone to confirm if they can go to lisbon

...we should ask everyone to confirm if they can go to lisbon ←

14:34:17 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: to move forward, we agree on the dates today, the 13-15 april

Hadley Beeman: to move forward, we agree on the dates today, the 13-15 april ←

14:34:22 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:34:35 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:34:35 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

Zakim IRC Bot: +antoine; got it ←

14:34:38 <deirdrelee> ...and tentatively plan for two sites - lisbon and new york

...and tentatively plan for two sites - lisbon and new york ←

14:34:44 <deirdrelee> q?

q? ←

14:34:45 <vagner> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1 ←

14:34:48 <deirdrelee> ack vagner

ack vagner ←

14:34:52 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←

14:35:05 <deirdrelee> proposed: the next f2f will take place on 13-15 april

PROPOSED: the next f2f will take place on 13-15 april ←

14:35:06 <AdrianoC-UFMG> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1 ←

14:35:08 <yaso> +1

Yaso Córdova: +1 ←

14:35:09 <newton_> +1

Unknown newton_: +1 ←

14:35:12 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1 ←

14:35:12 <vagner> +1

Vagner Diniz: +1 ←

14:35:12 <Caroline_> +1

Caroline Burle: +1 ←

14:35:13 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1 ←

14:35:13 <deirdrelee> +1

+1 ←

14:35:15 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1 ←

14:35:16 <ericstephan> +1

Eric Stephan: +1 ←

14:35:17 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1 ←

14:35:17 <adrianov-UFMG> +1

Scribe problem: the name 'adrianov-UFMG' does not match any of the 57 active names. Either change the name used, or request the list of names be altered.Active names: Adriano Veloso Adriano Pereira Amy Guy Ana Salgado Annette Greiner Antoine Isaac Bart van Leeuwen Bernadette Farias Loscio Carlos Iglesias Carlos Tejo Carlos Laufer Caroline Burle Christophe Gueret Daniel Schwabe Deirdre Lee Elie SLOÏM Eric Kauz Eric Stephan Erik Mannens Flavio Yanai Ghislain Atemezing Giancarlo Guizzardi Gisele Pappa Gustavo Suárez Volpe Hadley Beeman Ig Bittencourt Santana Pinto Ingo Simonis Jeremy Debattista Joao Almeida John Goodwin Kangchan Lee Kiev Santos da Gama Lewis Mcgibbney Makx Dekkers Manuel Carrasco Benitez Mark Harrison Martín Álvarez Michel Dumontier Mohamed ZERGAOUI Nathalia Sautchuk Patrício Phil Archer Raphaël Troncy Riccardo Albertoni Seiji Isotani Silvia Da Rosa Steven Adler Sumit Purohit Vagner Diniz Vinh Nguyen Wagner Meira Jr. William Mischo William Smith Yaso Córdova victoria koster Zakim IRC Bot Trackbot IRC Bot RRSAgent IRC Bot

Unknown adrianov-UFMG: +1 ←

14:35:21 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←

14:35:26 <phila> +0 on behalf of my daughter who's 14th birthday I will therefore miss

Phil Archer: +0 on behalf of my daughter who's 14th birthday I will therefore miss ←

14:35:28 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1 ←

14:35:51 <ericstephan> Its time to get her that pony @Phila

Eric Stephan: Its time to get her that pony @Phila ←

14:35:52 <deirdrelee> resolved:  the next f2f will take place on 13-15 april

RESOLVED: the next f2f will take place on 13-15 april ←

14:35:53 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

14:36:27 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: could the american members (eric or annette_g ) decide on what is the best venue

Hadley Beeman: could the american members (eric or annette_g ) decide on what is the best venue ←

14:36:47 <deirdrelee> annette_g: is there really only the two of us that are restricted?

Annette Greiner: is there really only the two of us that are restricted? ←

14:37:00 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: there's also eric kauz

Eric Stephan: there's also eric kauz ←

14:37:08 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: and steve and a guy from gpl

Hadley Beeman: and steve and a guy from gpl ←

14:37:17 <deirdrelee> ...it would be good if they were all together

...it would be good if they were all together ←

14:37:50 <deirdrelee> Action: ericstephan to find a venue for U.S. F2F meeting

ACTION: ericstephan to find a venue for U.S. F2F meeting ←

14:37:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-137 - Find a venue for u.s. f2f meeting [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-02-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-137 - Find a venue for u.s. f2f meeting [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-02-13]. ←

14:38:15 <deirdrelee> Action: adler1 to find a venue for Lisbon F2F meeting

ACTION: adler1 to find a venue for Lisbon F2F meeting ←

14:38:15 <trackbot> Error finding 'adler1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>.

Trackbot IRC Bot: Error finding 'adler1'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/users>. ←

14:38:40 <deirdrelee> Steve, is that okay?

Steve, is that okay? ←

14:38:40 <phila> action: adler to  find a venue for Lisbon F2F meeting

ACTION: adler to find a venue for Lisbon F2F meeting ←

14:38:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-138 -  find a venue for lisbon f2f meeting [on Steven Adler - due 2015-02-13].

Trackbot IRC Bot: Created ACTION-138 - find a venue for lisbon f2f meeting [on Steven Adler - due 2015-02-13]. ←

14:39:03 <deirdrelee> Topic: BP document

2. BP document

14:39:14 <Caroline_> q+

Caroline Burle: q+ ←

14:39:31 <hadleybeeman> Ack caro

Hadley Beeman: Ack caro ←

14:39:37 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: please read it, so we can get it out next week

Hadley Beeman: please read it, so we can get it out next week ←

14:39:55 <deirdrelee> ... bernadette not on the call, but does anyone else want to talk about it?

... bernadette not on the call, but does anyone else want to talk about it? ←

14:40:15 <hadleybeeman> S/read it/read it and try to resolve any problems

Hadley Beeman: S/read it/read it and try to resolve any problems ←

14:40:54 <deirdrelee> Caroline_: if everyone aggre

Caroline Burle: if everyone aggre ←

14:41:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+

Joao Almeida: q+ ←

14:41:12 <deirdrelee> ..we don't use the RFC

..we don't use the RFC ←

14:41:18 <deirdrelee> ...invites feedback

...invites feedback ←

14:41:20 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+ to comment on RFC normative terms

Joao Almeida: q+ to comment on RFC normative terms ←

14:41:21 <newton_> RFC 2119

Unknown newton_: RFC 2119 ←

14:41:30 <phila> MUST, MAY, SHOULD and all that (RFC 2119)

Phil Archer: MUST, MAY, SHOULD and all that (RFC 2119) ←

14:41:36 <hadleybeeman> Ack j

Hadley Beeman: Ack j ←

14:41:36 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to comment on RFC normative terms

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to comment on RFC normative terms ←

14:42:08 <deirdrelee> JoaoPauloAlmeida: if we don't use it, then what kind of normative can the bp have

Joao Almeida: if we don't use it, then what kind of normative can the bp have ←

14:42:26 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+ ←

14:42:31 <deirdrelee> ...then what kind of conformance will the document have

...then what kind of conformance will the document have ←

14:42:47 <deirdrelee> Caroline_: it's a good question, we don't have the answer

Caroline Burle: it's a good question, we don't have the answer ←

14:42:48 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> What kind of normative force would the recommendation have?

Joao Almeida: What kind of normative force would the recommendation have? ←

14:43:03 <yaso> +1 to JoaoPauloAlmeida

Yaso Córdova: +1 to JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

14:43:10 <hadleybeeman> Q?

Hadley Beeman: Q? ←

14:43:17 <deirdrelee> annette_g: people suggested that we use a maturity model for each best practice, which would do the same thing

Annette Greiner: Steve suggested that we use a maturity model for each best practice, which would do the same thing ←

14:43:21 <hadleybeeman> Ack annette_g

Hadley Beeman: Ack annette_g ←

14:43:24 <ericstephan> +1 I like the idea of a  maturity model

Eric Stephan: +1 I like the idea of a maturity model ←

14:43:32 <annette_g> s/people/Steve

14:43:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +q to talk about a maturity model

Joao Almeida: +q to talk about a maturity model ←

14:44:09 <hadleybeeman> Ack j

Hadley Beeman: Ack j ←

14:44:09 <Zakim> JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to talk about a maturity model

Zakim IRC Bot: JoaoPauloAlmeida, you wanted to talk about a maturity model ←

14:44:39 <deirdrelee> JoaoPauloAlmeida: if we have a maturity model, then we'll have to have normative statements for each level of maturity model, we're making our task more difficult

Joao Almeida: if we have a maturity model, then we'll have to have normative statements for each level of maturity model, we're making our task more difficult ←

14:44:39 <annette_g> q+

Annette Greiner: q+ ←

14:44:48 <ericstephan> It could measure different levels of conformance.  I don't see a conflict using normative statements for accomplishing this.

Eric Stephan: It could measure different levels of conformance. I don't see a conflict using normative statements for accomplishing this. ←

14:45:22 <deirdrelee> ...we can provide broad best practices, but they still should include normative statements

...we can provide broad best practices, but they still should include normative statements ←

14:45:25 <deirdrelee> +1 to JoaoPauloAlmeida

+1 to JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

14:45:34 <yaso> And, we will have to focus on this maturity model, I don't think we have time or people to do taht

Yaso Córdova: And, we will have to focus on this maturity model, I don't think we have time or people to do taht ←

14:45:40 <hadleybeeman> Q?

Hadley Beeman: Q? ←

14:45:41 <Zakim> -antoine

Zakim IRC Bot: -antoine ←

14:45:44 <deirdrelee> ...that way people can say they're 'conformant' to our best practices

...that way people can say they're 'conformant' to our best practices ←

14:45:45 <yaso> s/thht/that

Yaso Córdova: s/thht/that (warning: replacement failed) ←

14:45:47 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I am not saying it is easy to come up with normative statements of this kind

Joao Almeida: I am not saying it is easy to come up with normative statements of this kind ←

14:45:51 <ericstephan> I just like the idea of a maturity model to help communicate conformance.

Eric Stephan: I just like the idea of a maturity model to help communicate conformance. ←

14:46:09 <ericstephan> I don't see this happening before the DBWP draft goes out

Eric Stephan: I don't see this happening before the DBWP draft goes out ←

14:46:16 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I find a maturity model a good idea, but it makes our task much harder

Joao Almeida: I find a maturity model a good idea, but it makes our task much harder ←

14:46:34 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> Because we would have to find normative statements for each "level" in the maturity model

Joao Almeida: Because we would have to find normative statements for each "level" in the maturity model ←

14:47:24 <hadleybeeman> Ack a

Hadley Beeman: Ack a ←

14:47:24 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: crux of the matter is that we provide standards that people can measure themselves against, so that they can know that  my conformant data will work with your conformant data, etc

Hadley Beeman: crux of the matter is that we provide standards that people can measure themselves against, so that they can know that my conformant data will work with your conformant data, etc ←

14:47:43 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]

Zakim IRC Bot: +[IPcaller] ←

14:47:48 <antoine> zakim, IPcaller is me

Antoine Isaac: zakim, IPcaller is me ←

14:47:48 <Zakim> +antoine; got it

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14:48:00 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> how can you be normative not using deontic terms like must, should, may...?

Joao Almeida: how can you be normative not using deontic terms like must, should, may...? ←

14:48:01 <deirdrelee> annette_g: not sure if every level within maturity model would need to use RFC in order provide normative statements

Annette Greiner: not sure if every level within maturity model would need to use RFC in order provide normative statements ←

14:48:15 <deirdrelee> ...having a test in there, will allow people to say if they comply or not

...having a test in there, will allow people to say if they comply or not ←

14:48:25 <deirdrelee> ...perhaps there should be a test for each level

...perhaps there should be a test for each level ←

14:48:48 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: the 3 principles for the WG that we came up with at TPAC

Hadley Beeman: the 3 principles for the WG that we came up with at TPAC ←

14:48:59 <phila> -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#scope

Phil Archer: -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#scope ←

14:49:01 <deirdrelee> ...what were these? does someone have the link

...what were these? does someone have the link ←

14:49:07 <phila> are specifically relevant to data published on the Web;

Phil Archer: are specifically relevant to data published on the Web; ←

14:49:07 <phila> encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web;

Phil Archer: encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web; ←

14:49:07 <phila> can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two.

Phil Archer: can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two. ←

14:49:17 <phila> Or rather

Phil Archer: Or rather ←

14:49:18 <phila> This document is concerned solely with best practices that:

Phil Archer: This document is concerned solely with best practices that: ←

14:49:18 <phila> are specifically relevant to data published on the Web;

Phil Archer: are specifically relevant to data published on the Web; ←

14:49:18 <phila> encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web;

Phil Archer: encourage publication or re-use of data on the Web; ←

14:49:18 <phila> can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two.

Phil Archer: can be tested by machines, humans or a combination of the two. ←

14:49:44 <deirdrelee> q+

q+ ←

14:50:40 <newton_> Nathalia and I are researching about Test of BPs

Unknown newton_: Nathalia and I are researching about Test of BPs ←

14:50:45 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: has this discussion been sufficient?

Hadley Beeman: has this discussion been sufficient? ←

14:50:55 <deirdrelee> ...ultimately it's the decision of editors

...ultimately it's the decision of editors ←

14:51:03 <yaso> Maybe we should make a task force to write/make some tests

Yaso Córdova: Maybe we should make a task force to write/make some tests ←

14:51:28 <deirdrelee> vagner: even though i haven't been actively participating in discussion on thread, i have been observing

Vagner Diniz: even though i haven't been actively participating in discussion on thread, i have been observing ←

14:51:35 <newton_> +1, Yaso

Unknown newton_: +1, Yaso ←

14:51:52 <deirdrelee> ...i understand the issue is whether to use RFC or to move to maturity model

...i understand the issue is whether to use RFC or to move to maturity model ←

14:52:25 <hadleybeeman> Q?

Hadley Beeman: Q? ←

14:52:25 <deirdrelee> ...i think the idea of the maturity model is because we are finding it difficult on whether to use MUST/SHOULD etc

...i think the idea of the maturity model is because we are finding it difficult on whether to use MUST/SHOULD etc ←

14:52:57 <deirdrelee> ... we are spending a lot of time on this. if we now look at this from another perspective, this will require a lot more work

... we are spending a lot of time on this. if we now look at this from another perspective, this will require a lot more work ←

14:53:19 <deirdrelee> ...my suggestion is that we follow the same path the way we have been doing it with the RFC terms

...my suggestion is that we follow the same path the way we have been doing it with the RFC terms ←

14:53:23 <phila> For reference, the three resolutions at TPAC were

Phil Archer: For reference, the three resolutions at TPAC were ←

14:53:24 <phila> RESOLUTION: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it unique to publishing data on the web?”? ←

14:53:24 <phila> RESOLUTION: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Does it encourage reuse or publication of data on the Web?”? ←

14:53:24 <phila> RESOLUTION: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”?

RESOLVED: Do you agree that one of the scoping criteria is “Is it testable?”? ←

14:53:24 <phila> See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html

Phil Archer: See http://www.w3.org/2014/10/31-dwbp-minutes.html ←

14:53:24 <newton_> q+

Unknown newton_: q+ ←

14:53:47 <hadleybeeman> Ack d

Hadley Beeman: Ack d ←

14:54:13 <hadleybeeman> Thanks, Phila! That's it. :)

Hadley Beeman: Thanks, Phila! That's it. :) ←

14:54:14 <phila> deirdrelee: In general, I think RFC terms are improtant as it gives us somthing t conform to. I agree with Vagner that it would be difficult to change it to a new structure now

Deirdre Lee: In general, I think RFC terms are improtant as it gives us somthing t conform to. I agree with Vagner that it would be difficult to change it to a new structure now [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:54:21 <annette_g> +1 to making the change later

Annette Greiner: +1 to making the change later ←

14:54:28 <phila> deirdrelee: So I thinkw we should continue with RFC terms

Deirdre Lee: So I thinkw we should continue with RFC terms [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

14:54:40 <phila> ... but the maturuty model might relate to the quality vocab

Phil Archer: ... but the maturuty model might relate to the quality vocab ←

14:55:01 <phila> ... for this BP, we recommend you signal @this' level in the QV

Phil Archer: ... for this BP, we recommend you signal @this' level in the QV ←

14:55:02 <hadleybeeman> Ack n

Hadley Beeman: Ack n ←

14:55:08 <antoine> deirdrelee++

Antoine Isaac: deirdrelee++ ←

14:55:28 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: this is an issue to deal with AFTER fpwd of bp doc

Deirdre Lee: this is an issue to deal with AFTER fpwd of bp doc ←

14:55:50 <phila> q+ to talk about the definition of RFC2119 terms

Phil Archer: q+ to talk about the definition of RFC2119 terms ←

14:55:55 <deirdrelee> newton_: it is not so clear to everyone contributing in the document HOW to use the RFC terms,

Unknown newton_: it is not so clear to everyone contributing in the document HOW to use the RFC terms, ←

14:56:10 <Caroline_> q+

Caroline Burle: q+ ←

14:56:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+

Joao Almeida: q+ ←

14:56:15 <hadleybeeman> Ack p

Hadley Beeman: Ack p ←

14:56:15 <phila> ack me

Phil Archer: ack me ←

14:56:16 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the definition of RFC2119 terms

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14:56:17 <deirdrelee> ..could someone help with this? for example in what section we could use the RFC terms

..could someone help with this? for example in what section we could use the RFC terms ←

14:56:52 <deirdrelee> phila: in terms of what the RFC term means, they are designed to specify if software is conformant

Phil Archer: in terms of what the RFC term means, they are designed to specify if software is conformant ←

14:57:13 <deirdrelee> ..MUST means it has to comply, MAY is optional, etc

..MUST means it has to comply, MAY is optional, etc ←

14:57:33 <deirdrelee> ...i think newton is asking about where in the document the RFC terms should sit

...i think newton is asking about where in the document the RFC terms should sit ←

14:57:54 <deirdrelee> ..espectially if the we want the document to be technology-agnostic

..espectially if the we want the document to be technology-agnostic ←

14:58:17 <deirdrelee> ...should the RFC terms be in the content, in the sub-headings, in the headings, etc...

...should the RFC terms be in the content, in the sub-headings, in the headings, etc... ←

14:58:21 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> I do not think they should be in the intended outcome

Joao Almeida: I do not think they should be in the intended outcome ←

14:58:42 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> because the target of normative behaviour is publishers

Joao Almeida: because the target of normative behaviour is publishers ←

14:58:50 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> not users of data

Joao Almeida: not users of data ←

14:58:59 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> q+ to defend this point

Joao Almeida: q+ to defend this point ←

14:59:00 <deirdrelee> ...there are lots of ways how things can be done, e.g. making searchable, we shouldn't be too prescriptive

...there are lots of ways how things can be done, e.g. making searchable, we shouldn't be too prescriptive ←

14:59:12 <deirdrelee> ...but steve pointed out we're being too wooly, which is a valid point too

...but steve pointed out we're being too wooly, which is a valid point too ←

14:59:12 <hadleybeeman> Zakim, close the queue

Hadley Beeman: Zakim, close the queue ←

14:59:12 <Zakim> ok, hadleybeeman, the speaker queue is closed

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14:59:52 <deirdrelee> Caroline_: the problem we had when we were editing was where the RFC tags should be

Caroline Burle: the problem we had when we were editing was where the RFC tags should be ←

15:00:04 <deirdrelee> ...should we as editors decide on that, or open to group?

...should we as editors decide on that, or open to group? ←

15:00:26 <Zakim> -AdrianoC-UFMG

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15:00:27 <deirdrelee> phila: there seems to be consensus that we should include the RFC terms

Phil Archer: there seems to be consensus that we should include the RFC terms ←

15:00:40 <deirdrelee> ...could we decide now where to put them

...could we decide now where to put them ←

15:00:58 <phila> PROPOSED: That we include RFC2119 keywords, at least for now, and that they be applied to the subheading of each best practice

PROPOSED: That we include RFC2119 keywords, at least for now, and that they be applied to the subheading of each best practice ←

15:01:08 <deirdrelee> JoaoPauloAlmeida: supports removing RFC from intended outcome, but to leave them in the BP description

Joao Almeida: supports removing RFC from intended outcome, but to leave them in the BP description ←

15:01:57 <hadleybeeman> +1

Hadley Beeman: +1 ←

15:02:04 <phila> That's the kind of argument that annette_g made too, and I have come to agree with both her and now JoaoPauloAlmeida

Phil Archer: That's the kind of argument that annette_g made too, and I have come to agree with both her and now JoaoPauloAlmeida ←

15:02:06 <AdrianoC-UFMG> +1

Adriano Pereira: +1 ←

15:02:11 <adrianov-UFMG> +1

Unknown adrianov-UFMG: +1 ←

15:02:12 <ericstephan> +1  to publish draft....just leave as is for this draft and then we rework the document if need be in the future.

Eric Stephan: +1 to publish draft....just leave as is for this draft and then we rework the document if need be in the future. ←

15:02:19 <adrianov-UFMG> +1

Unknown adrianov-UFMG: +1 ←

15:02:23 <phila> +1

Phil Archer: +1 ←

15:02:30 <deirdrelee> +1

+1 ←

15:02:34 <Caroline_> 0

Caroline Burle: 0 ←

15:02:34 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1 ←

15:02:37 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1 to myself

Joao Almeida: +1 to myself ←

15:02:39 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)

Joao Almeida: :-) ←

15:02:43 <vagner> 0

Vagner Diniz: 0 ←

15:02:50 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> +1

Joao Almeida: +1 ←

15:02:51 <jerdeb> +1

Jeremy Debattista: +1 ←

15:02:53 <CarlosIglesias> 0

Carlos Iglesias: 0 ←

15:02:53 <cgueret> +1

Christophe Gueret: +1 ←

15:02:53 <laufer> +1

Carlos Laufer: +1 ←

15:03:02 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> but hope they will be stripped from intended outcome

Joao Almeida: but hope they will be stripped from intended outcome ←

15:03:10 <phila> RESOLVED: That we include RFC2119 keywords, at least for now, and that they be applied to the subheading of each best practice

RESOLVED: That we include RFC2119 keywords, at least for now, and that they be applied to the subheading of each best practice ←

15:03:12 <Eric_Kauz> +1

Eric Kauz: +1 ←

15:03:30 <annette_g> +1

Annette Greiner: +1 ←

15:03:31 <deirdrelee> hadleybeeman: hopefully that will help caroline and newton in the week ahead

Hadley Beeman: hopefully that will help caroline and newton in the week ahead ←

15:03:51 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> (to remove the emphasis/markup on they RFC  2119 keywords used in the intended outcome section)

Joao Almeida: (to remove the emphasis/markup on they RFC 2119 keywords used in the intended outcome section) ←

15:03:51 <phila> Caroline_: We'll make changes this week and freeze it next week ahead of a vote on 20 Feb

Caroline Burle: We'll make changes this week and freeze it next week ahead of a vote on 20 Feb [ Scribe Assist by Phil Archer ] ←

15:03:59 <deirdrelee> Caroline_: will make the changes this week, so that people can have a look

Caroline Burle: will make the changes this week, so that people can have a look ←

15:04:12 <deirdrelee> bernadette suggested vote on 20th

bernadette suggested vote on 20th ←

15:04:14 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> thank you buy

Joao Almeida: thank you bye ←

15:04:14 <cgueret> bye

Christophe Gueret: bye ←

15:04:16 <CarlosIglesias> bye!

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15:04:16 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> bye

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15:04:16 <jerdeb> bye

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15:04:22 <ericstephan> bye

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15:04:24 <JoaoPauloAlmeida> :-)

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15:04:24 <Zakim> -Yaso

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15:04:26 <deirdrelee> ciao

ciao ←

15:04:27 <Zakim> -phila

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15:04:27 <deirdrelee> :)

:) ←

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15:04:30 <AdrianoC-UFMG> Bye bye, see ya!

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15:04:34 <hadleybeeman> Sorry, deirdrelee - I missed bernadette's request

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